Series 3 Verizon FIOS HD compat?

[Gregor]

Thanks for the support...and the tip! When I looked everything up on line and ordered it, (but didn't complete the order) the same services came out to $109. :confused: Wonder if it's $10 higher out here? Our Comcast bill is about $160 as well, so whatever it ends up being will be a huge savings! Thanks again. :up:

A number of other folks here said the same thing. That's what I'm looking forward to!! :)

One thing that's not in the $109 price is all the taxes, franchise fees, etc, so that will affect your savings.

[sender_name]

i see people posting that they have multiple M cards in the same tivo...I thought the s3 only needed 1 M card or 2 S cards...if you have an M card and only need 1 that would save you $4 a month on renting 2 cards

[rocko]

i see people posting that they have multiple M cards in the same tivo...I thought the s3 only needed 1 M card or 2 S cards...if you have an M card and only need 1 that would save you $4 a month on renting 2 cards

The S3 requires 2 cards regardless of S or M. The TiVo HD and HDXL can operate with a single M card or 2 S cards.

[Distortedloop]

The S3 requires 2 cards regardless of S or M. The TiVo HD and HDXL can operate with a single M card or 2 S cards.

Are you sure about that...?

[sender_name]

yeah, i thought the S3 was multi card compatible

[philhu]

Are you sure about that...?

Yes, the S3 has a 'bug' that requires 2 cards for 2 tuners

The HD can use 1 M-card

[tdel73]

Verizon is coming tomorrow to install FIOS...crossing fingers that all goes well!!

EDIT: the install went very smoothly yesterday, he got the Tivo up and running in no time, so far so good! Thank god I'm done with Cablevision!!

[markp750]

Darn, I was hoping to watch the Shuttle launch tonight and I can't find it on FIOS. I guess they don't carry it. Jeeze.

Mark P.

[markp750]

NASA TV that is.

Mark P.

[webin]

The shuttle launch is being broadcast in HD on HDNet, channel 569. Coverage starts at 4:30 pst (7:30est) and runs 35 minutes.

[markp750]

Thank you. Fantastic.

Mark P.

[markp750]

Thank you. Fantastic. I'll be there.

Mark P.

[wmcbrine]

You want NASA TV, see HME/VLC (in my sig). But yeah, for shuttle launches I'd recommend HDNet.

[tdel73]

can you watch shows on demand with fios and Tivo?

[wmcbrine]

TiVo doesn't support Fios' VOD, but they have their own (more or less), via TiVoCasts and Amazon Unbox (now just called Amazon VOD, I think). Plus Netflix soon!

[tdel73]

TiVo doesn't support Fios' VOD, but they have their own (more or less), via TiVoCasts and Amazon Unbox (now just called Amazon VOD, I think). Plus Netflix soon!


cool thanks for the heads up!

[scotthoffman1977]

I have two Series 2 TiVo's (one 40-hour and the other 80-hour w/dual tuner) and was scheduled for a Verizon Fios install this morning. I don't currently have HD nor did I order it. The salesman that I dealt with assured me both my TiVo's would work and that he was ordering "cable cards" for both of them.

The technician that came out to install this morning said there's nowhere on either Series 2 to insert the cable card.

A) Is this true, and B) is there an alternative to ditching the TiVo's? Any help would be appreciated!!!

[Jasper]

Only the Series 3 Tivo's have cable card slots. You would need to use Verizon's set top box w/ your Series 2 Tivo's just like you did w/ cable.

[scotthoffman1977]

Only the Series 3 Tivo's have cable card slots. You would need to use Verizon's set top box w/ your Series 2 Tivo's just like you did w/ cable.

Thanks for the input. The problem for me was the IR cables didn't work well and (just like Comcast) Verizon doesn't support TiVo's box controlling theirs.

Man...it looks like I'm going to have to shelve my TiVo's for their multi-room viewing DVR system. :mad:

[Jasper]

I would seriously consider upgrading to the Series 3 Tivo. It ends up being more expensive in the beginning but over time you would re-coup your money plus be ready to upgrade to HD. From what I have heard the FIOS DVR's suck and don't have nearly the recording capacity that you can get w/ a Tivo.

Check out this thread reference using an HDTivo for non-HD tv:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=410653

[Ziggy86]

I would seriously consider upgrading to the Series 3 Tivo. It ends up being more expensive in the beginning but over time you would re-coup your money plus be ready to upgrade to HD. From what I have heard the FIOS DVR's suck and don't have nearly the recording capacity that you can get w/ a Tivo.

Check out this thread reference using an HDTivo for non-HD tv:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=410653

I thought they were doing away with series 3, I would go for TivoHD unit and it is cheaper than S3 I believe.

[webin]

The problem for me was the IR cables didn't work well

Really? I used the Verizon set top box to control my Series 2 for several months (before upgrading to TivoHD and an HDTV), and never had any issues whatsoever. I tested it with both IR Blasters and a serial connection, and neither gave any trouble. Do NOT shelve tivo because of a minor issue like this. You can make them work.

[scotthoffman1977]

Really? I used the Verizon set top box to control my Series 2 for several months (before upgrading to TivoHD and an HDTV), and never had any issues whatsoever. I tested it with both IR Blasters and a serial connection, and neither gave any trouble. Do NOT shelve tivo because of a minor issue like this. You can make them work.

I didn't test the IR leads on the Verizon STB, but with Comcast's box they "misfired" about 50% of the time. Neither Comcast's nor Verizon's box allow themselves to be controlled via serial connection.

[webin]

Don't confuse the set top box with the digital adapter. The digital adapter (DCT-700) is a small sleek thing with no LED numbers on the front. I never used one from Verizon, but had one with Comcast with no IR Blaster trouble. These don't have a means for serial control.

The set top box (http://www22.verizon.com/residential/fiostv/EquipmentDetails/EquipmentDetails.htm?Media=3) is much more robust, and is serial controllable (but even then, I opted for IR Blasters).

[wmcbrine]

I have no problem controlling the DCT-700 with my TiVo 540, although it is a little slow. And I recommend not doing anything else with the remote until the channel is actually changed.

Don't just assume that bad performance with Comcast's box will translate to Verizon's.

[rocko]

My 2 S2s control the SD Verizon STBs (Moto QIP-2500 I believe) just fine. IR blasters work fine. Serial control is fine unless you try to tune to a 4 digit channel - that is above chanel 999. FWIW, lots of other folks have reported no problem controlling the low-end DCT700 as well.

I also seem to remember one of my S2s controlled the HD STB fine - for the short period I had one.

Be patient when running Guided Setup and you'll be OK with Verizon STBs and your S2.

[rcji]

Can anyone confirm if the M Cards are available in the New York area? I called Verizon about it and they either told me they don't know anything about it or they just heard about it and don't know when it will be available.

[wkearney99]

FWIW, verizon came out and put an M-card into my new TivoHD. I inquired as to whether he had any others on him. He did, and we replaced the two S-cards with one M-card in my other TivoHD. Now to go wrestle with billing for them.

Oh, and when I asked to switch from Moca internet (coax) to ethernet they've totally bungled it. Now I've got neither coax nor ethernet. Three different calls now and the finger-pointing between departments goes on. FIOS, great technology operated by an utterly incompetent bureaucracy.

[wkearney99]

My 2 S2s control the SD Verizon STBs (Moto QIP-2500 I believe) just fine. IR blasters work fine. Serial control is fine unless you try to tune to a 4 digit channel - that is above chanel 999.

I had absolutely nothing by trouble with my S2 and a QIP-2500. Serial just wouldn't work at all (it did, for about 2 days). IR was unreliable. That and the box would just HANG all the time. No thanks. I switched to a TivoHD with an M-card and it's working great. Even better, the TivoHD downconverts the HD stations to display on the old CRT TV I'm using for it.

[nugga22]

I've been looking at getting a lifetime subscription for a while now, but never had a decent opportunity. My parents want a TiVoHD and TiVoHD is offering a decent package which includes a lifetime subscription. Could I just swap my TiVoHD with the new box which has the lifetime subscription without having Verizon come out to reinstall the cable cards? I'd just give my parents my old TiVoHD with a gift card for service while keeping the new box with the lifetime plan. If switching the boxes will be too much of a hassle, I guess I'll just keep looking for other options. Thanks for any advice!

[wkearney99]

I swapped the cablecards from one TivoHD with a new one and they both worked fine. This was to test that the wiring was setup properly before the FIOS tech came out to deliver some new cards for it. This was also within the same house, not moved from anywhere else.

I believe the system is "supposed to" be tied to the cards AND the box, but mine worked fine. YMMV, of course but it can't hurt to try it first. Even if it does fail you should be able to call them to make the change. Near as I can tell, a truck roll is only "required" because of high failure rates with the cards (or the slots in the units). Once you have a working card and slot for it the rest can be handled over the phone. I know, I did this once when for some reason mine got confused. They deleted the existing config and reprogrammed it based on my reciting the various numbers to them over the phone. Worked fine

[tdel73]

now that FIOS is carrying the MLB extra innings package, will you be able to get that with Tivo? I know with Cablevision you couldn't because of the cable cards...

[Scyber]

I swapped the cablecards from one TivoHD with a new one and they both worked fine. This was to test that the wiring was setup properly before the FIOS tech came out to deliver some new cards for it. This was also within the same house, not moved from anywhere else.

I believe the system is "supposed to" be tied to the cards AND the box, but mine worked fine. YMMV, of course but it can't hurt to try it first. Even if it does fail you should be able to call them to make the change. Near as I can tell, a truck roll is only "required" because of high failure rates with the cards (or the slots in the units). Once you have a working card and slot for it the rest can be handled over the phone. I know, I did this once when for some reason mine got confused. They deleted the existing config and reprogrammed it based on my reciting the various numbers to them over the phone. Worked fine

Verizon does not pair the cards with the device. Once your card is authorized, you should be able to swap it out and place it in any device. I know I have a swap my cards around quite a few times since I have gotten them.

[acroswel]

I recently switched from DirecTV (with DirecTivos) to FIOS and after trying out their DVR, I'm going back to Tivo. Ordered TivoHDs and just called Verizon to order the cable cards. Based on information here I assumed I was going to have to pay for a truck roll, but without any prompting the CSR said she was UPSing them to me and I'd get them in 3-5 days...

[wmcbrine]

They frequently say that, but it turns out not to be true. It's a bug in their system -- it looks to them like they can mail you cards, but the order gets blocked somewhere further down the line. And apparently it is actually Verizon's policy not to mail cards.

You may still be able to get them delivered without being charged for it, though.

[acroswel]

Update to my last post. It's just as wmcbrine thought. Someone from Verizon actually showed up at my house only about 30-40 minutes after I called to order the cards. Fortunately my wife was at home, but my new Tivos (ordered yesterday) weren't yet... I NEVER would have guessed someone would be sent so fast. I'll have to call and schedule something once the Tivos arrive.

[webin]

about 30-40 minutes after I called

WOW! I wish the billing department worked that fast.... I'm at 6 months and counting to get the bundle price I ordered.

[MapleLeaf]

I'm looking to move to FiOS for both my internet and TV (from Verizon DSL and Comcast, respectively), and have been trying to educate myself on what exactly the move to FiOS will entail. I've been doing some MSN Live'ing (that doesn't roll off the tongue quite as nicely as "googling", does it? :)) to educate myself a bit, but I'm a newbie at this, so please forgive me if I've gotten some of the terminology or concepts wrong.

First off, I want to use my own router and forego the Actiontec router that Verizon provides. So my understanding is that I will need to request that Verizon reconfigures the ONT to pass data through the ethernet interface instead of the MoCA (coax) interface, which is apparently the default. Once I've done that, I can set aside the Actiontec router and hook up the ONT's ethernet interface to the WAN port of pretty much any modern router I choose and, at least for internet connectivity, it should "just work". Is that correct? And if all I wanted was internet and didn't care to have TV, I would be done, right?

So now let's throw TV into the mix. For TV, I would normally require both a video signal as well as a data signal. The latter would be for features such as guide data, on-demand, and PPV, which would all be encapsulated in an STB. However, I don't plan on getting any Verizon STB's and instead will be feeding all TV signals to either an S3 or a THD. Given that, do I have to worry about supplying a data signal? I would think I would just be able to connect the ONT's MoCA interface to a coax splitter and from there, feed individual coax lines to my various S3 and THD units throughout the house.

If for some reason I really wanted/needed to provide a data signal, then since I've re-routed the data signal from the ONT's MoCA interface to its ethernet interface, that's when things would get complicated. At that point, I'd have to re-introduce the Actiontec router back into the mix (by placing it behind my primary router). However, I'm hoping I can avoid having to do that.

So in summary, what I want to do is provide FiOS internet and TV to my house, with the caveats that I want to provide my own router and I don't believe that I require data for TV. Given that, I believe the key is simply to ensure that Verizon re-configures the ONT to pass data through its ethernet interface instead of its MoCA interface. After that, I simply connect my own router to the ONT's ethernet interface and I connect my S3's/THD's to the ONT's MoCA interface. Does that sound right? Is it really that simple?

Oh, and a few other points. First, I understand I'll have to swap out the Comcast-provided cable cards in my S3's/THD's with Verizon-provided ones (hopefully with multi-stream cards for the THD's). Should I expect any complications with performing such a swap-out? Second, do I have any choice over where Verizon will install the ONT (and accompanying BBU)? Ideally, I'd like it installed in the house close to my structured wiring centre, but much of what I've read seems to indicate that it needs to be installed outside of the house so that Verizon techs can gain access to it whenever they want.

Thanks!

[wkearney99]

If you're not using any FIOS TV set top boxes then you do not need the Actiontec router. If you use any Verizon TV boxes then you will need to provide a Moca network connection for them. You could do this by setting up the Actiontec as a bridge and still use your own router. My advice, get the Actiontec but have it set up using CAT5 ethernet and not coax Moca. Then when the techs leave, put your own router on their instead and save the Actiontec for whenever you actually need Moca (perhaps never).

There is such a thing as a CAT5 to Moca converter. The Motorola NIM-100 does it. And they used to supply them before using the Actiontec.

As for switching from Moca to ethernet, it's done over the phone. The Moca light goes out and the ethernet one lights up. Just had mine changed 2 weeks ago. My actiontec has been boxed up and a Linksys WRT54G running DD-WRT took its place.

They generally put the ONT next to wherever your current phone box is located outside. They then run wire into the house to the battery backup box. I don't think you can get the ONT installed inside a residence. They can run the CAT5 from the ONT into your structured wiring center. I ran my own CAT6 wire from my rack out to the ONT, mainly to save time on the install (and keep some phone tech from mucking about with my rack).

[Dmon4u]

Actually, they have been installing the ONT's inside (basements typically) for years now. I have mine and 3 neighbors have theirs that way !

[winter]

First off, I want to use my own router and forego the Actiontec router that Verizon provides. So my understanding is that I will need to request that Verizon reconfigures the ONT to pass data through the ethernet interface instead of the MoCA (coax) interface, which is apparently the default. Once I've done that, I can set aside the Actiontec router and hook up the ONT's ethernet interface to the WAN port of pretty much any modern router I choose and, at least for internet connectivity, it should "just work". Is that correct? And if all I wanted was internet and didn't care to have TV, I would be done, right?Yes, exactly. The ONT hand-off is an RJ45 ethernet jack using DHCP. Any router that can act as a DHCP client will work (and that's almost any router I can think of).

So now let's throw TV into the mix. For TV, I would normally require both a video signal as well as a data signal. The latter would be for features such as guide data, on-demand, and PPV, which would all be encapsulated in an STB. However, I don't plan on getting any Verizon STB's and instead will be feeding all TV signals to either an S3 or a THD. Given that, do I have to worry about supplying a data signal? I would think I would just be able to connect the ONT's MoCA interface to a coax splitter and from there, feed individual coax lines to my various S3 and THD units throughout the house.Again exactly correct.

So in summary, what I want to do is provide FiOS internet and TV to my house, with the caveats that I want to provide my own router and I don't believe that I require data for TV. Given that, I believe the key is simply to ensure that Verizon re-configures the ONT to pass data through its ethernet interface instead of its MoCA interface. After that, I simply connect my own router to the ONT's ethernet interface and I connect my S3's/THD's to the ONT's MoCA interface. Does that sound right? Is it really that simple?Yep, its that simple...that's how I am running: Cisco ASA as my border device (connected to ONT), using Tivo HD (no VZ STB's)

Second, do I have any choice over where Verizon will install the ONT (and accompanying BBU)? Ideally, I'd like it installed in the house close to my structured wiring centre, but much of what I've read seems to indicate that it needs to be installed outside of the house so that Verizon techs can gain access to it whenever they want.I've read that if you have pre-drilled the required (large) hole from the outside to the inside for the fiber cable/connector, that its a much easier sell to get the VZ installer to put it inside. Some people have had no problem getting installed inside, in other cases they have protested they won't have access unless someone is home; seems to be a YMMV. If you have everything ready, including space for them to install their stuff inside I would imagine it will be smooth sailing.

In terms of switching from MoCA to ethernet - its best to just let the installer hook it up with MoCA and the Actiontec router and then once everything is tested/working make the switch yourself (after they have left). Keep in mind that if you ever have problems you may have to put the Actiontec back for VZ for troubleshooting purposes.

[aaronwt]

You can also just use the FIOS ActionTec or new Westell modem they are using. And then just connect you own router to one of the ports on the FIOS router and set up a DMZ on that port. That way if there are any problems you don't have to mess around with reconnecting the FIOS supplied router since FIOS typically will not trouble shoot anything when their router is not connected.
This is how I have my FIOS connection setup with my DLINK DGL4500 router and previously with my DGL4300 router. I have had no problems doing it this way. And on the couple of occasions when there was a problem with the ONT. They were able to trouble shoot it right away since I had my ActionTec already connected to the ONT.
I've had it connected this way for over a year now.For the first few months of service I had my own router connected to the ONT and there were a few times that there were problems. But they would not look at anything until I connected the Actiontec directly to the ONT which was a pain to do. So since then I just leave the Actiontec connected to the ONT with my router on a DMZ. This setup has worked perfectly. And I download around 1TB every month. No problems and no need to ever reboot any of the routers.

[pghkirwan]

I just made the switch from Comcast to FIOS. The install went well, even tho it was the tech's first adventure with a Tivo setup.

my question: is it possible to split the signal from a FIOS STB into a Tivo HD and the TV and get the same functionality I had with the Comcast setup? (there were no boxes or cablecards on this unit)

Or, should I exchange the STB for a cablecard? Hopefully an Multistream card.

Our S3 does have 2 cable cards - we had been transferring HD shows between the THD and the S3 - we can still do that. I'm trying to get rid of a remote or three.

Thanks,

Don

[wkearney99]

my question: is it possible to split the signal from a FIOS STB into a Tivo HD and the TV and get the same functionality I had with the Comcast setup? (there were no boxes or cablecards on this unit)

No, the S3 units will only record from an RF signal (NTSC or ATSC). No set top box outputs ATSC and the old channel 3 RF would look terrible. But why would you want to still bother using a FIOS STB? With cablecards you've no need for an STB at all (excepting video on demand).

[Jonathan_S]

my question: is it possible to split the signal from a FIOS STB into a Tivo HD and the TV and get the same functionality I had with the Comcast setup? (there were no boxes or cablecards on this unit) You can't put a FIOS STB in front of the TiVo, like wkearney99 said, the TiVoHD needs the RF signal not the output of another STB.


If you do want to use a FIOS STB in addition to your TiVo, presumably for PPV or On Demand programmming here how you could do that. Split the FIOS coax between the wall and the TiVoHD. Then run the output of the splitter to both the TiVoHD and to a FIOS STB. Then hook each box up to different inputs on your TV.

When you want to use the FIOS STB or TiVoHD you'd switch to the appropriate input on the TV.

(This setup doesn't bother the TiVoHD. It still has an unaltered RF feed from FIOS and can record scheduled items no matter what you're doing with the FIOS STB)

[wkearney99]

Jonathan's right on the mark with that advice.

Bear in mind, the series 3 Tivos (S3 and TivoHD) will not record from anything other than an RF signal. They will not record from composite, component, svideo or HDMI. They can record manually from an RF channel. If you can convert a signal to RF then you could set up a manual recording on from that on an S3. But unless you've got really deep pockets there aren't any inexpensive ATSC modulators so you're stuck with old-school NTSC RF (aka channel 3).

Personally I'd really like to see an ATSC modulator at a sub-$100 price point. Nothing like that on the market yet.

[SirWells]

Quick question. I'm about to switch to Fios from Time Warner Cable in NYC. As far as the internet is concerned, can I just use their router, turn off the wireless and use my own wireless N router by plugging it into one of the ports on the Verizon router? I keep reading conflicting reports about running a dedicated Cat 5 line and such. There is cable wiring within my walls so if I can use my existing cable without having visible wires around my house, I'd be much happier.

Secondly, since I have cablecards from Time Warner Cable in my two Tivo Series 3's right now, is there anything I should do to get the Tivo's ready for Verizon? Will I lose whatever shows I already have saved? Just wondering if I need to watch everything in the next week or copy it over to my Mac.

[Timber]

Quick question. I'm about to switch to Fios from Time Warner Cable in NYC. As far as the internet is concerned, can I just use their router, turn off the wireless and use my own wireless N router by plugging it into one of the ports on the Verizon router? I keep reading conflicting reports about running a dedicated Cat 5 line and such. There is cable wiring within my walls so if I can use my existing cable without having visible wires around my house, I'd be much happier.

Secondly, since I have cablecards from Time Warner Cable in my two Tivo Series 3's right now, is there anything I should do to get the Tivo's ready for Verizon? Will I lose whatever shows I already have saved? Just wondering if I need to watch everything in the next week or copy it over to my Mac.

I've got this change coming up too. Can I add that I'd like to know if I just rerun Guided Setup and the existing Season Passes will automagically map over to FIOS?

Thanks! :)

-=Tim=-

[jay_man2]

I've got this change coming up too. Can I add that I'd like to know if I just rerun Guided Setup and the existing Season Passes will automagically map over to FIOS?

Thanks! :)

-=Tim=-I'm moving from Comcast to Fios on Wednesday, and have the same questions as Timber and SirWells. :p

I've already backed up all the shows on my S3 to my Mac just in case. :cool:

[Jasper]

You should not loose your shows. You will have to re-run guided setup with the new cards, but that will not affect previously recorded material.

The season passes should map over to fios, just give it a few hours....

[wmcbrine]

No, you will not lose anything. Yes, the TiVo will attempt to remap your season passes to the new channels. (But check them manually, because they could end up moved from HD to SD, for one thing.)

[Jasper]

Sir Wells

As far as the wireless internet stuff goes, I don't know, but I would suggest you check out dslreports forum, they are very knowledgeable about that type stuff there.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/vzfiber

[DeWitt]

Quick question. I'm about to switch to Fios from Time Warner Cable in NYC. As far as the internet is concerned, can I just use their router, turn off the wireless and use my own wireless N router by plugging it into one of the ports on the Verizon router? I keep reading conflicting reports about running a dedicated Cat 5 line and such. There is cable wiring within my walls so if I can use my existing cable without having visible wires around my house, I'd be much happier.



This is exactly how I have mine set up and it works great.

[wkearney99]

Quick question. I'm about to switch to Fios from Time Warner Cable in NYC. As far as the internet is concerned, can I just use their router, turn off the wireless and use my own wireless N router by plugging it into one of the ports on the Verizon router? I keep reading conflicting reports about running a dedicated Cat 5 line and such. There is cable wiring within my walls so if I can use my existing cable without having visible wires around my house, I'd be much happier.

The simplest solution would be to just use their router for both. But you can use yours and disable just wifi on the verizon unit. However, you will probably need to reconfigure your router so that it behaves as an 'access point' instead of a full router. This way you won't have one router behind the other, which raises hassles for some things. Make sure your router can be configured as an access point (most can, but some cannot). What make/model is it?

You can run a line from the fiber ONT to the verizon router using EITHER coax or CAT5. If you're using Verizon set top boxes, AT ALL, you'll need to have coax to the Verizon router.

There are ways to avoid using the verizon router entirely but that's well beyond the scope of a Tivo forum. The suggestion to read dslreports.com is a good one, as they cover doing just that, and more.

You may or may not need to replace the in-house wiring depending on what was used and what condition it's in. If it's marginal (or unknown) then the FIOS setup includes wiring install, have them put new stuff in place of (or alongside) what's there now.

[jay_man2]

The simplest solution would be to just use their router for both. ....In my case, I have an Apple Time Capsule and wireless-N network. I don't want to use the Fios wireless G wifi and slow Time Machine backups to the Time Capsule to a crawl.

It's encouraging to hear that it can be done, and I'll post my experience with the install later this week.

[SirWells]

It seems it may be easier to just use my coax cabling and using the Actiontek router with my Dlink N router. If they can run a dedicated Cat5 line, I'd give that a shot. I'm never going to use Verizon set top boxes as I'll be using by Tivos.

Glad to hear I won't lose all my shows and that the season passes will actually transfer. My Tivo continues to amaze me!

Thank you for all your help everyone!

[g1230g]

I have FIOS HD and of course the Motorola HD DVR is absolute junk (at $19.99 rental no less), along with the regular DVR. I want to ditch the Motorola junk and upgrade.

I need a higher capacity hard drive and the Tivo series 3 seems to be popular around these parts.

Any pro or con comments, or common complaints, on integrating the Tivo DVR's into the FIOS system, is appreciated, and Verizon said they will mail the cards out.

Also, has anyone been able to use the DTV branded Hughes DVR's with Verizon cable cards?

Thanks.

[wkearney99]

By DTV I'm guessing you mean DirecTV. Those units will not work with anything other than DirecTV service. Their card slot is not the same as a CableCard slot. Nothing can be done to make a DirecTV unit work with anything other than DirecTV.

Yes, the FIOS motorola stuff is utter garbage.

Read the thread here for various Tivo with FIOS observations, no point in everyone rehashing it when you can just go re-read it.

As for the drive upgrades, there are likewise other threads here that cover it. I pulled the drive out of my TivoHD and replaced it with a 750GB unit, works great if a little louder than the factory drive. But, again, read the other threads on this.

[rocko]

In my case, I have an Apple Time Capsule and wireless-N network. I don't want to use the Fios wireless G wifi and slow Time Machine backups to the Time Capsule to a crawl.

It's encouraging to hear that it can be done, and I'll post my experience with the install later this week.

Many folks, myself included, use their wireless-N routers instead of the Actiontec. Like suggested you should turn off the firewall on your router and disable the DHCP server. One other tip is to connect your router using a LAN port instead of the WAN port.

[g1230g]

By DTV I'm guessing you mean DirecTV. Those units will not work with anything other than DirecTV service. Their card slot is not the same as a CableCard slot. Nothing can be done to make a DirecTV unit work with anything other than DirecTV.

Yes, the FIOS motorola stuff is utter garbage.

Read the thread here for various Tivo with FIOS observations, no point in everyone rehashing it when you can just go re-read it.

As for the drive upgrades, there are likewise other threads here that cover it. I pulled the drive out of my TivoHD and replaced it with a 750GB unit, works great if a little louder than the factory drive. But, again, read the other threads on this.

Thanks for the response. I did re-read back to page 34, but was hoping for more current info. Either way, it does sound fairly straight forward with very few known issues with the series 3.

[aaronwt]

The simplest solution would be to just use their router for both. But you can use yours and disable just wifi on the verizon unit. However, you will probably need to reconfigure your router so that it behaves as an 'access point' instead of a full router. This way you won't have one router behind the other, which raises hassles for some things. Make sure your router can be configured as an access point (most can, but some cannot). What make/model is it?

You can run a line from the fiber ONT to the verizon router using EITHER coax or CAT5. If you're using Verizon set top boxes, AT ALL, you'll need to have coax to the Verizon router.

There are ways to avoid using the verizon router entirely but that's well beyond the scope of a Tivo forum. The suggestion to read dslreports.com is a good one, as they cover doing just that, and more.

You may or may not need to replace the in-house wiring depending on what was used and what condition it's in. If it's marginal (or unknown) then the FIOS setup includes wiring install, have them put new stuff in place of (or alongside) what's there now.

One router behind another causes no hassles as long as you don't try to use the same IP address range. I've been using 221.214.xx for 10 years as an IP address range for my own network. Nothing is going to conflict with that so it doesn't cause any problems. I have 40 devices on my network with no problems by having my Dlink DGL4500 connected to a DMZ port on the Actiontec.

Also even if you do use the Actionec with your own router behind it, still try to get an Ethernet connection from the ONT to the Actiontec. That way, if there are ever any problems with the Actiontec, you can still put your own router in there and be up and running instead of waiting for them to send a replacement. But for me my Actiontec has been fine for the 16 months I've had FIOS.

[SirWells]

One router behind another causes no hassles as long as you don't try to use the same IP address range. I've been using 221.214.xx for 10 years as an IP address range for my own network. Nothing is going to conflict with that so it doesn't cause any problems. I have 40 devices on my network with no problems by having my Dlink DGL4500 connected to a DMZ port on the Actiontec.

Also even if you do use the Actionec with your own router behind it, still try to get an Ethernet connection from the ONT to the Actiontec. That way, if there are ever any problems with the Actiontec, you can still put your own router in there and be up and running instead of waiting for them to send a replacement. But for me my Actiontec has been fine for the 16 months I've had FIOS.

I read some posts on DSL Reports and some on here about the configuration you'd have to do on the Actiontek router in order to use your own router in conjunction with it. Some seem more detailed than others, what is it that a really need to do? Just turn off the wireless on the Actiontek? Do I need to do anything on my own DLink router? I just want wireless N...

[teasip]

Cat5 from ONT to Airport Extreme. Cable from LAN on APE to LAN on AT. In other words, I've got my N router in front of the AT which I use for TV only. Turn off obtain IP on the AT as well as the wireless and you're good to go. Takes less than 3 minutes.

[wkearney99]

One router behind another causes no hassles as long as you don't try to use the same IP address range.

My comment was directed toward the hassles of being behind a dual set of NAT addresses. It's a hassle that's easily avoided by using your router as an access point. If you use double NAT networks then you end up with some firewall and port forwarding hassles. Those can be 'worked around' but why bother? There's more to the hassles but that's a discussion best left to other web forums like dslreports.

I've been using 221.214.xx for 10 years as an IP address range for my own network. Nothing is going to conflict with that so it doesn't cause any problems.

Why are you bothering with a public address range that's already allocated to APNIC? Why not just use one of the established private network numbering ranges? 192.168.x.x, 10.x.x.x and 172.16-31.x.x are specifically set aside for use as private networks. Using one of those ranges seems like it'd make a lot more sense.

Also even if you do use the Actionec with your own router behind it, still try to get an Ethernet connection from the ONT to the Actiontec.

I believe it's one or the other, coax MOCA or cat5 ethernet, for an active connection. You don't really ever 'have to' use coax from the ONT. The only time you need coax is if you're going to use Verizon set top boxes. Even then you can still add the set top boxes later and still stay with CAT5 to the ONT. You'd just have to use the Actiontec (or some NIM100 units) to bridge the traffic from coax back to cat5.

[wkearney99]

I read some posts on DSL Reports and some on here about the configuration you'd have to do on the Actiontek router in order to use your own router in conjunction with it. Some seem more detailed than others, what is it that a really need to do? Just turn off the wireless on the Actiontek? Do I need to do anything on my own DLink router? I just want wireless N...

You can reconfigure the actiontec to act as a bridge. And then use your own router for handling all IP traffic. As for your D-link, which model is it? If it can be configured to behave as just an access point then you'd probably want to use that. That way all it does it provide a wireless connection to the actiontec network. It that works, and fulfills your needs then you're all set. But there are some situations where custom firewall settings might be needed. If you're only doing simple browsing, gaming and the like then you'd be fine with the d-link as an access point. But if you've got that thing configured for VPN, port forwarding to servers and that sort of stuff then perhaps not.

During the initial setup phase you may want to stick with just the verizon gear. Once that's proven to work then integrate the d-link. That way if you have to deal with verizon support you'll have a basic setup they know how to deal with. Start adding other stuff and the support people won't be of any help (as if they were anyway). Get it working first.

[wkearney99]

Cat5 from ONT to Airport Extreme. Cable from LAN on APE to WAN on AT. In other words, I've got my N router in front of the AT which I use for TV only. Turn off obtain IP on the AT as well as the wireless and you're good to go. Takes less than 3 minutes.

The thing you have to be careful about is dealing with bandwidth for the set top boxes. The actiontec, apparently, does a better job of managing bandwidth so the set top boxes get enough bandwidth for VoD and other IP services. When you use your own router FIRST you may run into some problems with that. Just keep that in mind. Some consumer-grade routers are not capable of keeping up with some of the faster speeds. But at the same time the actiontec sucks at handling a lot of simultaneous sessions.

[SirWells]

You can reconfigure the actiontec to act as a bridge. And then use your own router for handling all IP traffic. As for your D-link, which model is it? If it can be configured to behave as just an access point then you'd probably want to use that. That way all it does it provide a wireless connection to the actiontec network. It that works, and fulfills your needs then you're all set. But there are some situations where custom firewall settings might be needed. If you're only doing simple browsing, gaming and the like then you'd be fine with the d-link as an access point. But if you've got that thing configured for VPN, port forwarding to servers and that sort of stuff then perhaps not.

During the initial setup phase you may want to stick with just the verizon gear. Once that's proven to work then integrate the d-link. That way if you have to deal with verizon support you'll have a basic setup they know how to deal with. Start adding other stuff and the support people won't be of any help (as if they were anyway). Get it working first.

I have the D-Link DIR-655 Extreme N Wireless Router. I'd like everything to run from the D-Link, as it would be as close to my current setup. I use a cable modem from Time Warner Cable that goes directly into my D-Link router. I guess running the coax to the Actiontek and then running my D-Link would be pretty similar to the setup I have now. The Actiontek would take the place of the cable modem and my D-Link would handle everything else.

So what would I need to do to make sure the D-Link does everything and the Actiontek serves only to take the coax signal to my D-Link?

[richsadams]

One router behind another causes no hassles as long as you don't try to use the same IP address range. I've been using 221.214.xx for 10 years as an IP address range for my own network. Nothing is going to conflict with that so it doesn't cause any problems. I have 40 devices on my network with no problems by having my Dlink DGL4500 connected to a DMZ port on the Actiontec.

Also even if you do use the Actionec with your own router behind it, still try to get an Ethernet connection from the ONT to the Actiontec. That way, if there are ever any problems with the Actiontec, you can still put your own router in there and be up and running instead of waiting for them to send a replacement. But for me my Actiontec has been fine for the 16 months I've had FIOS.I'm glad this came up...and I guess I'm with SirWells post above. Only knowing enough to be dangerous, I'm going to ask a dumb question before we jump to FIOS.

IIRC there are a number of folks here using their own routers. I have a D-Link DIR-655 Xtreme N router (http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=530) with three D-Link DGS-2205 (http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=494) gigbit switches behind it and couldn't be happier with everything. Everything I have uses Ethernet with the exception of one laptop we like to carry around the house and my cell phone while I'm home so using 802.11n with it's strong signal strength is desirable.

So my question is: is there an advantage to using VZ's Actiontec router over your own (or is it necessary in the FIOS setup - sounds like it is)? TIA!

[webin]

So my question is: is there an advantage to using VZ's Actiontec router over your own (or is it necessary in the FIOS setup - sounds like it is)? TIA!

If you are keeping any verizon set top boxes, the actiontec is supposedly needed for VOD, the STB's on-screen guide, and the silly widgets they offer. If you are using only tivo's, any router will do ya.

[justlen]

Out here in Seattle I made the switch from Comcast to FIOS a few months ago:

-I had the tech connect the Westell to the ONT via Ethernet.
-CableCard setup went flawless.
-Re-ran Guided Setup and all my Season Passes reconfigured

After the Tech left I disconnected the Westell and connected my Airport Extreme. It wouldn't connect until I called tech support and had them release the Westell MAC address from the DHCP pool. Then the Airport connected and worked.

After a bit of time I ran some speed tests and realized I wasn't getting the speeds I had signed up for. I swapped the routers, did the whole DHCP thing with Tech support and BAM I was flying.

So there is something to be said for the Westell.

[richsadams]

If you are keeping any verizon set top boxes, the actiontec is supposedly needed for VOD, the STB's on-screen guide, and the silly widgets they offer. If you are using only tivo's, any router will do ya.Sounds good. Of course no STB's for our TiVo's but I forgot to mention that I have a basic Comcast STB for EyeTV (http://www.elgato.com/elgato/na/mainmenu/home/what-is-eyetv.en.html) on my iMac. I don't care about VOD and EyeTV provides their own guide. I'd like to keep that going of course, so it sounds like I will need a VZ STB. Will that require the Actiontec to work? TIA for the assistance.

[SirWells]

So if you use the Actiontek (or whatever router Verizon gives you) when it's connected via coax, but attach your own router to it and disable the Actiontek's wireless settings, you should be just as good as if you had a Cat5 going directly to your router, right?

[aaronwt]

I read some posts on DSL Reports and some on here about the configuration you'd have to do on the Actiontek router in order to use your own router in conjunction with it. Some seem more detailed than others, what is it that a really need to do? Just turn off the wireless on the Actiontek? Do I need to do anything on my own DLink router? I just want wireless N...


Just turn off wireless and have a differnet IP range for the Dlink. That is all. And also set up a DMZ for the IP address the FIOS router hands out to the DLINK.
This is all I have done and it works perfectly with no problems.

[SirWells]

Just turn off wireless and have a differnet IP range for the Dlink. That is all. And also set up a DMZ for the IP address the FIOS router hands out to the DLINK.
This is all I have done and it works perfectly with no problems.

I'll need to find out how to set up the DMZ and different IP range... Anybody know how this is done?

I think I'm going to go about it this way...

[Jonathan_S]

It wouldn't connect until I called tech support and had them release the Westell MAC address from the DHCP pool. Then the Airport connected and worked.You don't actually have to call tech support for this if you don't want to.
The Actiontec has an option (I recall it being fairly easy to locate) to do a DHCP release.

If you do that before unhooking it you won't have to ring up tech support just to swap routers.

[wkearney99]

So my question is: is there an advantage to using VZ's Actiontec router over your own (or is it necessary in the FIOS setup - sounds like it is)? TIA!

It's free with the setup. It is necessary for set top boxes, unless you obtain a rather expensive alternative (the moto NIM100 units). That and the setup techs will not debug anything else besides the Actioncrap unit. It's not a bad router if you're only doing casual web surfing with only a couple of computers. Start cranking a lot of traffic, or needing fancier in-bound configurations and it's worth supplementing it.

[SirWells]

It's free with the setup. It is necessary for set top boxes, unless you obtain a rather expensive alternative (the moto NIM100 units). That and the setup techs will not debug anything else besides the Actioncrap unit. It's not a bad router if you're only doing casual web surfing with only a couple of computers. Start cranking a lot of traffic, or needing fancier in-bound configurations and it's worth supplementing it.

And supplementing with your own router it just as good as replacing it altogether (obviously if not using Verizon's VOD and menu)?

[mae]

Just turn off wireless and have a differnet IP range for the Dlink. That is all. And also set up a DMZ for the IP address the FIOS router hands out to the DLINK.
This is all I have done and it works perfectly with no problems.

There seem to be a bunch of us abandoning our cablecos (Comcast in my case) for FIOS. Like Rich, I know enough only to be dangerous.

I'd like to keep my current setup (the wireless reaches the whole house from the basement) using my trusty Linksys WRT54g and antennas with gain. I've never needed a DMZ and don't know if it goes on the Actiontec or my router.

Would someone please post their settings on the Actiontec and what needs to be set on the routers? Maybe it could be set up as a sticky or even move these discussions to an "official" FIOS thread with it at the top like we have for other providers.

What does everyone think?

[SirWells]

There seem to be a bunch of us abandoning our cablecos (Comcast in my case) for FIOS. Like Rich, I know enough only to be dangerous.

I'd like to keep my current setup (the wireless reaches the whole house from the basement) using my trusty Linksys WRT54g and antennas with gain. I've never needed a DMZ and don't know if it goes on the Actiontec or my router.

Would someone please post their settings on the Actiontec and what needs to be set on the routers? Maybe it could be set up as a sticky or even move these discussions to an "official" FIOS thread with it at the top like we have for other providers.

What does everyone think?

I'm with you!

[richsadams]

Would someone please post their settings on the Actiontec and what needs to be set on the routers? That would be great! That and a schematic showing the setup if you want to (mostly) keep your existing network would be very welcome. :up:

[mae]

I PM'ed Dan about setting up an "official" thread. I suggested that this thread could be designated since it already has a fair amount of info. By listing it with the other official threads, newbies would find it faster.

[rocko]

That would be great! That and a schematic showing the setup if you want to (mostly) keep your existing network would be very welcome. :up:

Something like this, perhaps?

The network

http://www.bungmunch.com/images/layout.png

This is an admittedly busy schematic of my actual setup. It has a mix of just about all possibilities with a FIOS setup. Note the split before the STB when using a NIM - the NIM seems to strip out the MOCA required by the STB. If you want to hang all of your hardwired stuff off of your router feel free. I actually have a few switches in the mix but I left them out for the sake of clarity. My PC's aren't really relevant for this excercise.

Otherwise, pick one that you need. YMMV.

Turning off wireless in the Actiontec

http://www.bungmunch.com/images/wireless.png

If you'd like to see something additional or need clarification let me know and I'll fix the pictures or add whatever I can.

[mae]

Rocko,

Thanks. That's great.

I do have a few questions.

1) Should the jumper go from a LAN port on the Actiontec to a LAN port or the WAN port on the router?
2) What's the default address on the Actiontec? I have some printers with static IPs and if the DHCP server is other than 192.168.1.1, they'll have to be reset to be within the Actiontec's range.
3) Does a DMZ need to be set up? How?
4) Some of the house wiring is old RG-59 (but not the main split that now goes to a cable modem). How robust is the FIOS signal and MOCA? I have a Motorola bidirectional amp, will it work or need to be removed?

BTW, this thread will be linked as the "official" thread in the sticky at the top.

Mark

[richsadams]

Something like this, perhaps?
If you'd like to see something additional or need clarification let me know and I'll fix the pictures or add whatever I can.Awesome! You rock! :up: I'll study it and if I get confused (it could happen ;) ) I'll let you know. Thanks very, very much! :)

[rocko]

Rocko,

Thanks. That's great.

I do have a few questions.

1) Should the jumper go from a LAN port on the Actiontec to a LAN port or the WAN port on the router?
2) What's the default address on the Actiontec? I have some printers with static IPs and if the DHCP server is other than 192.168.1.1, they'll have to be reset to be within the Actiontec's range.
3) Does a DMZ need to be set up? How?
4) Some of the house wiring is old RG-59 (but not the main split that now goes to a cable modem). How robust is the FIOS signal and MOCA? I have a Motorola bidirectional amp, will it work or need to be removed?

BTW, this thread will be linked as the "official" thread in the sticky at the top.

Mark

1) My jumper goes from LAN port to LAN port
(not WAN on your router)
2) The default on the Actiontec is 192.168.1.1 - you're in luck
3) I just turn off the firewall on my Linksys. This effectively makes all ports a DMZ.
4) FIOS is notoriously "hot". As you can see I have mine split 3 times in one place. My wiring has been around for over 10 years and handles it fine. You will most likely not need the amp.

[igrok]

Rocko, great diagram!

I just wanted to confirm that the tivos being fed from the nim100s, which get their ether pre-actiontec, are still being given DHCP from the actiontek so that their ether connection is fine. That is, I currently have mine set up as follows:

ONT>coax to splitter

>splitter-output-1>actiontek>ether to bridged router and switch>tivos and computers

>splitter-output-2>splitter>coax to all tivos

So all the tivos are getting coax essentially straight from the ONT, and getting ether and DHCP through the actiontec.

Putting a NIM-100 before each tivo, I can just have the single coax coming in to the NIM-100, which then will feed separately a coax and ether to the tivo. But since the ether has not gone "through" the actiontec, do the tivos still get DHCP from the actiontec so as to be accessible to each other and my computers? I guess my question is whether the actiontec can see the tivos in this topology?

[rocko]

Rocko, great diagram!

I just wanted to confirm that the tivos being fed from the nim100s, which get their ether pre-actiontec, are still being given DHCP from the actiontek so that their ether connection is fine. That is, I currently have mine set up as follows:

ONT>coax to splitter

>splitter-output-1>actiontek>ether to bridged router and switch>tivos and computers

>splitter-output-2>splitter>coax to all tivos

So all the tivos are getting coax essentially straight from the ONT, and getting ether and DHCP through the actiontec.

Putting a NIM-100 before each tivo, I can just have the single coax coming in to the NIM-100, which then will feed separately a coax and ether to the tivo. But since the ether has not gone "through" the actiontec, do the tivos still get DHCP from the actiontec so as to be accessible to each other and my computers? I guess my question is whether the actiontec can see the tivos in this topology?

The answer is yes. The coax doesn't go "through" the Actiontec but it is connected. This is effectively how mine is set up, lousy picture aside. Everything on the network, TiVos included, get their IP served up by the Actiontec. Note the connection type is COAX on one of the NIM connected TiVos - just like the Verizon STB.

http://www.bungmunch.com/images/network.png

[igrok]

Excellent! I just bought a three-pack of NIM100s for $88 on ebay, and plan to put them in front of my tivos. Since one of them is using the wireless adapter, I can return that, and just cry over the time I spent running ether to my other units.

I also wonder whether you've had any pixelation issues like some of us. With all the suggestions of attenuators, and diplexers or low pass filters (as suggested by verizon itself), I'm wondering whether this separation of the ether and coax by the NIM will fix the problem. In any event, passing the tv and ether by one cable will help me clean up some wiring. Do you find that the NIMs attenuate the signal at all?

[rocko]

Excellent! I just bought a three-pack of NIM100s for $88 on ebay, and plan to put them in front of my tivos. Since one of them is using the wireless adapter, I can return that, and just cry over the time I spent running ether to my other units.

I also wonder whether you've had any pixelation issues like some of us. With all the suggestions of attenuators, and diplexers or low pass filters (as suggested by verizon itself), I'm wondering whether this separation of the ether and coax by the NIM will fix the problem. In any event, passing the tv and ether by one cable will help me clean up some wiring. Do you find that the NIMs attenuate the signal at all?

Not at all. The backward diplexer trick has helped with most of the uncorrected errors with my S3, however. BTW, good buy on the NIMs. I bribed my Verizon installer with beer and got 2 free

[mae]

Rocko,

Thanks. That should make it easy. I'll just change the address on the Linksys to something higher and everything else should work.

Some of my RG-59 is thirty years old, but was pretty high quality and physically seems fine, no cracking. It wouldn't be easy to replace, since I've finished off a lot of the access and I'm not as young as I was back then.:D

Have a Merry Christmas.

Mark

[richsadams]

Something like this, perhaps? How does this look? I'd use the same settings as you suggested on the Actiontec and the wireless router...unless I don't need to have a static IP (kind of a pain). The only unknown (for me) is the STB connection for my computer (currently using Comcast STB/WinTV HVR950/EyeTV). TIA!

http://i40.tinypic.com/zipulw.jpg

[rocko]

How does this look? I'd use the same settings as you suggested on the Actiontec and the wireless router...unless I don't need to have a static IP (kind of a pain). The only unknown (for me) is the STB connection for my computer (currently using Comcast STB/WinTV HVR950/EyeTV). TIA!

http://i40.tinypic.com/zipulw.jpg

All connections for video are coax so the Actiontec isn't actually connected to anything except your other router and whatever hard-wired Ethernet devices you want to hang off of the Actiontec (via Cat 5/6). You split the coax coming from the ONT - one split goes to the Actiontec - the other to your STB and TiVo(s) via another splitter.

[richsadams]

All connections for video are coax so the Actiontec isn't actually connected to anything except your other router and whatever hard-wired Ethernet devices you want to hang off of the Actiontec (via Cat 5/6). You split the coax coming from the ONT - one split goes to the Actiontec - the other to your STB and TiVo(s) via another splitter.Got it, thanks...I was concentrating on the network connections...didn't include the coax connections to TiVo's and the STB. Those already exist as well. Thanks very much! :up:

[rocko]

Got it, thanks...I was concentrating on the network connections...didn't include the coax connections to TiVo's and the STB. Those already exist as well. Thanks very much! :up:

I was commenting since I saw a CAT5/6 connection from the Actiontec to the STB which doesn't belong. Also the connection from the ONT to the Actiontec is not CAT5/6 - as your footnote/legend suggests.

[richsadams]

I was commenting since I saw a CAT5/6 connection from the Actiontec to the STB which doesn't belong. Also the connection from the ONT to the Actiontec is not CAT5/6 - as your footnote/legend suggests.Good catch...my mistake. Those connections s/b denoted as Coax. Thanks again!

[Dmon4u]

For those interested, a (very) simple FiOS STB vs TiVo or Media Center review:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/12/24/verizon-fios-hd-dvr-review/

[teasip]

No problems on my end with putting the AE before the ActionTec with regard to FiOS VOD/guide data, etc..

[wkearney99]

No problems on my end with putting the AE before the ActionTec with regard to FiOS VOD/guide data, etc..
Try using a set top box for video on demand while simultaneously doing a lot of downloading from a computer. The actiontec will throttle the computer traffic so it doesn't overrun the VoD. But considering how crappy the STBs are too use, it's not like anyone smart enough to rearrange their routers is going to be bothering with the STBs.

[teasip]

Usually not an issue at my house since I don't download a lot of material, and almost never doing so while infrequently watching VOD. For me, the easiest approach was the AE then the AT. I've still got my original NIM100 in the closet for whenever I pull the trigger and give up on the Verizon HD-DVR (waiting on M card availability first in N. Texas). I've even got the attenuator pack in case that is needed as well.

[jay_man2]

My Fios install on Christmas Eve morning went very well. While the installer and the guy he was training installed the ONT outside, and battery backup and power supply on the inside wall, I installed the Actiontec, HD DVR, and two HD set-top boxes.

The existing coax that had been connected to the Motorola cable modem (Comcast) was connected to the Actiontec, with cat5 to my Apple Time Capsule. When I went into the Airport utility to connect to the Actiontec, it recognized that the connection to the Time Capsule had changed, gave me a couple of options, including bridge mode which I selected, and we were up and running.

The cablecard install was a breeze too. I have two M-cards in my S3, and the installer was able to input the data and initialize the cards from his laptop. I re-ran guided setup, and later that evening did see that my season passes were all properly re-mapped to the new channels.

I have the 20/5 internet service, phone and HD Extreme bundle with the Home Media DVR and two HD set-top boxes, and my S3 with two M-cards and couldn't be more please with the service and the installation.

[richsadams]

My Fios install on Christmas Eve morning went very well. Thanks very much for the report...very encouraging! :up:

How is your PQ? Are you seeing any issues?

Thanks again, enjoy and happy New Year!

[Timber]

My Fios install on Christmas Eve morning went very well. While the installer and the guy he was training installed the ONT outside, and battery backup and power supply on the inside wall, I installed the Actiontec, HD DVR, and two HD set-top boxes.

The existing coax that had been connected to the Motorola cable modem (Comcast) was connected to the Actiontec, with cat5 to my Apple Time Capsule. When I went into the Airport utility to connect to the Actiontec, it recognized that the connection to the Time Capsule had changed, gave me a couple of options, including bridge mode which I selected, and we were up and running.

The cablecard install was a breeze too. I have two M-cards in my S3, and the installer was able to input the data and initialize the cards from his laptop. I re-ran guided setup, and later that evening did see that my season passes were all properly re-mapped to the new channels.

I have the 20/5 internet service, phone and HD Extreme bundle with the Home Media DVR and two HD set-top boxes, and my S3 with two M-cards and couldn't be more please with the service and the installation.

This IS very encouraging, I'm about 10 days away from my install (Cox to Verizon.) Is there a way to quickly force the remapping of season passes or does it just happen? :)

Thanks!

-=Tim=-

[Mchero]

My Fios install on Christmas Eve morning went very well. While the installer and the guy he was training installed the ONT outside, and battery backup and power supply on the inside wall, I installed the Actiontec, HD DVR, and two HD set-top boxes.

The existing coax that had been connected to the Motorola cable modem (Comcast) was connected to the Actiontec, with cat5 to my Apple Time Capsule. When I went into the Airport utility to connect to the Actiontec, it recognized that the connection to the Time Capsule had changed, gave me a couple of options, including bridge mode which I selected, and we were up and running.

The cablecard install was a breeze too. I have two M-cards in my S3, and the installer was able to input the data and initialize the cards from his laptop. I re-ran guided setup, and later that evening did see that my season passes were all properly re-mapped to the new channels.

I have the 20/5 internet service, phone and HD Extreme bundle with the Home Media DVR and two HD set-top boxes, and my S3 with two M-cards and couldn't be more please with the service and the installation.

Jay

Why two M-Cards? I'm running just one M-Card on my Comcast cable.

[rocko]

Jay

Why two M-Cards? I'm running just one M-Card on my Comcast cable.

S3 - needs 2 cards regardless whether they're single or multi-stream.

[rocko]

This IS very encouraging, I'm about 10 days away from my install (Cox to Verizon.) Is there a way to quickly force the remapping of season passes or does it just happen? :)

Thanks!

-=Tim=-

Once the new lineup is downloaded and indexed the remapped SPs should be available immediately.

[Timber]

I know the tech will make the decision when he comes here but I'm curious about this.

At the point that phone service hits my house I have two connection mediums to my office which is where my computer is: either coax or Cat5. Which do y'all think they'll use for that connection?

-=Tim=-

[wmcbrine]

It's their policy nowadays to use coax. But you should ask them to use cat5.

[jay_man2]

This IS very encouraging, I'm about 10 days away from my install (Cox to Verizon.) Is there a way to quickly force the remapping of season passes or does it just happen? :)

Thanks!

-=Tim=-It just happened, but it wasn't instantaneous. I don't know how long over a 12 hour period it took after running the Guided Setup.

There's no way that I found, other than deleting and recreating the season pass, to do it any faster. Since I'm in a lull period, with no shows queued in the To Do list, I could afford to wait.

[jay_man2]

S3 - needs 2 cards regardless whether they're single or multi-stream.Exactly. To get two tuner functionality, the S3 needs two cards, whereas the TiVo HD supports one M-card to provide two tuner functionality.

[jay_man2]

Thanks very much for the report...very encouraging! :up:

How is your PQ? Are you seeing any issues?

Thanks again, enjoy and happy New Year!The picture quality is excellent, and I've not experienced any issues. No pixelation or audio dropouts with the S3, like I had with Comcast.

And the internet service is great, with consistent up and download speeds. No more sharing bandwidth in the neighborhood, like with Comcast. Dedicated bandwidth, same as DSL service.

[richsadams]

The picture quality is excellent, and I've not experienced any issues. No pixelation or audio dropouts with the S3, like I had with Comcast.

An the internet service is great, with consistent up and download speeds. No more sharing bandwidth in the neighborhood, like with Comcast. Dedicated bandwidth, same as DSL service.Music to my ears...um, eyes! :up:

[SirWells]

Another question. With Time Warner Cable, the only shows I could copy to my hard drive or send via MRV were the the basic stations, CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, PBS, etc. How is Verizon as far as blocking certain channels from being sent to other Tivo's for MRV or sending to a hard drive? I understand that premium channels won't work but Discovery or History Channel?

[Gregor]

Another question. With Time Warner Cable, the only shows I could copy to my hard drive or send via MRV were the the basic stations, CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, PBS, etc. How is Verizon as far as blocking certain channels from being sent to other Tivo's for MRV or sending to a hard drive? I understand that premium channels won't work but Discovery or History Channel?

HBO is copy protected on my system. don't see restrictions on other premium channels. Discovery and HC have no restrictions.

[SirWells]

Just to clarify, if I did have coax running to the Actiontek, turned the Actiontek into a bridge to my DLink router, would I experience the same upload and download speeds as I would if I had Cat5 connected from the ONT directly to my DLink router?

I plan to ask the Verizon installer to give me a dedicated Cat5 line from the ONT. I just was curious in case he wouldn't do it...

[David Platt]

Another question. With Time Warner Cable, the only shows I could copy to my hard drive or send via MRV were the the basic stations, CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, PBS, etc. How is Verizon as far as blocking certain channels from being sent to other Tivo's for MRV or sending to a hard drive? I understand that premium channels won't work but Discovery or History Channel?

At least in the Portland market, nothing is copy-protected. I've never run into a show I couldn't transfer. I just did an HBO program to make sure.

[wmcbrine]

Just to clarify, if I did have coax running to the Actiontek, turned the Actiontek into a bridge to my DLink router, would I experience the same upload and download speeds as I would if I had Cat5 connected from the ONT directly to my DLink router?Bandwidth would be the same, but latency might be affected.

[richsadams]

At least in the Portland market, nothing is copy-protected. I've never run into a show I couldn't transfer. I just did an HBO program to make sure.Yep, MRV is no problem here...but I can't transfer HBO, Showtime and some programs to my computer due to copy protection.

[SirWells]

Yep, MRV is no problem here...but I can't transfer HBO, Showtime and some programs to my computer due to copy protection.

I remember how excited my wife and I were were MRV was finally enabled and then we discovered we couldn't copy anything! Time Warner Cable red flagged everything except channels you'd pick up over their air. I'm so excited for my installation tomorrow!

[SirWells]

Bandwidth would be the same, but latency might be affected.

I think I remember now about reading something on DSL Reports that the latency would be around 10 milliseconds. Regardless, I'm going to try my best to have the Verizon tech run me a dedicated Cat5 line.

I live in a garden apartment so there are multiple ONT boxes that are shared around the development. The ONT box that is closest to my set of buildings is literally on the outside all of my apartment. Probably the easiest install as the wiring would be minimal compared to other apartments in the complex. From what you have all said and even the person I spoke to with Verizon, these techs will do basically anything you ask them to. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[David Platt]

Yep, MRV is no problem here...but I can't transfer HBO, Showtime and some programs to my computer due to copy protection.

That's really weird, since we're basically in the same market. I can transfer anything, including HBO/Showtime shows, to my computer with TiVo Desktop.

[richsadams]

All connections for video are coax so the Actiontec isn't actually connected to anything except your other router and whatever hard-wired Ethernet devices you want to hang off of the Actiontec (via Cat 5/6). You split the coax coming from the ONT - one split goes to the Actiontec - the other to your STB and TiVo(s) via another splitter.Reworked the proposed network...

http://i41.tinypic.com/wvvmdu.png

Make sense? TIA! :up:

[richsadams]

That's really weird, since we're basically in the same market. I can transfer anything, including HBO/Showtime shows, to my computer with TiVo Desktop.That is strange. I don't have my PC hooked up anymore, but copy protected shows showed up with the "no" symbol next to them on TiVo Desktop. Using iTiVo on my Mac copy protected recordings don't even show up. :confused:

[SirWells]

My Verizon installer is on his way. The only thing that's worrying me is he said he just got a crash course on how to install them from his boss, as he's never done a cablecard installation before! At least I know what to do on the Tivo end, hopefully this goes well!

[rocko]

Reworked the proposed network...

http://i41.tinypic.com/wvvmdu.png

Make sense? TIA! :up:

Much better. No reason that shouldn't work :up:

When are you pulling the trigger on the FIOS install?

[richsadams]

Much better. No reason that shouldn't work :up:

When are you pulling the trigger on the FIOS install?Thanks very much!

I'm still dragging my heals when it comes to the actual install. Many here are enjoying FIOS problem-free, but then others are experiencing different levels of frustration. I realize that when things are good people rarely join a forum to say so, but still. I'm one of those borderline perfectionists that fusses whenever A/V glitches occur. It makes my wife, um, uncomfortable when I say something in the middle of a movie or whatever.

To be honest, our Comcast setup (more or less what you see in the schematic) is working fine. I'm just hungry for better HD PQ and that big broadband pipe. Plus it'll save some money every month (for the first year or two anyway).

I'm really grateful for your and everyone's feedback here though. :up: I discussed it with a VZ tech that was at a house down the street recently and starting spitting out all sorts of details that I'd picked up here. He said that he should just hand me the cable cards, attenuators and let me do the installation myself since it sounded like I knew as much or more than he did (in a very nice way). I don't think so! Who would I blame if something went wrong?

So I'm struggling with the "if it ain't broke..." syndrome. The fact that my wife is starting to hurt herself from rolling her eyes when I talk about it is getting a bit old though. Either way it's not making for a good and loving relationship with TiVo or my wife so I need to get off the fence/pot soon. ;)

Thanks again!

[rocko]

Thanks very much!

I'm still dragging my heals when it comes to the actual install. Many here are enjoying FIOS problem-free, but then others are experiencing different levels of frustration. I realize that when things are good people rarely join a forum to say so, but still. I'm one of those borderline perfectionists that fusses whenever A/V glitches occur. It makes my wife, um, uncomfortable when I say something in the middle of a movie or whatever.

To be honest, our Comcast setup (more or less what you see in the schematic) is working fine. I'm just hungry for better HD PQ and that big broadband pipe. Plus it'll save some money every month (for the first year or two anyway).

I'm really grateful for your and everyone's feedback here though. :up: I discussed it with a VZ tech that was at a house down the street recently and starting spitting out all sorts of details that I'd picked up here. He said that he should just hand me the cable cards, attenuators and let me do the installation myself since it sounded like I knew as much or more than he did (in a very nice way). I don't think so! Who would I blame if something went wrong?

So I'm struggling with the "if it ain't broke..." syndrome. The fact that my wife is starting to hurt herself from rolling her eyes when I talk about it is getting a bit old though. Either way it's not making for a good and loving relationship with TiVo or my wife so I need to get off the fence/pot soon. ;)

Thanks again!

You can always go for the FIOS broadband now and fuss over the TV later - that's what I did. At least that will get the ONT infrastructure in place - you can add the TV and CableCARDS/STB later and cancel within 14 days if you're not happy. The good news is that you can use the existing cabling. The bad news is if you need to cancel dealing with Verizon billing is another nightmare in itself.

I understand the WAF - been there done that. I can say that, despite some rare PQ issues, I don't regret making the move from Cablevision for a nanosecond.

[naclone]

I have verizon coming to do an install on Friday. I have an S3 and a DT, both of which currently connect wirelessly via a belkin N1 vision. a few questions in preparation of the install:

1. do i need to do anything before removing the RCN cable cards that are in the S3 now? or is it as simple as powering off the unit, taking them out and replacing them with the verizon cards and rerunning guided setup?

2. is there anyway i can get the verizon tech to set everything up so that I can still use the belkin N1 or will I have to reconfigure things myself after he's left (just wondering if their policy is to only set it up one way or if there is flexibility)?

3. what is the current best practice with regard to attenuation/diplexing? should i make sure the tech brings along equipment for this or should i just see how the install goes? it's difficult to ascertain whether the pixelation issue is universal or less widespread.

I've read all of this thread and the other fios thread, but a lot of it is still over my head unfortunately. any tips prior to the install would be greatly appreciated.

otherwise, i'll just hope for the best.

thanks!

[jay_man2]

I have verizon coming to do an install on Friday. I have an S3 and a DT, both of which currently connect wirelessly via a belkin N1 vision. a few questions in preparation of the install:

1. do i need to do anything before removing the RCN cable cards that are in the S3 now? or is it as simple as powering off the unit, taking them out and replacing them with the verizon cards and rerunning guided setup?

...When my install was done recently, we did not even power off the S3. I just pulled the old Comcast cards out, the FiOS tech installed the new cards, then we got the data off the screen for each card, he input the data into his laptop, and a few minutes later we were doing the channel test on both cards. Very easy.

After he left I reran guided setup, and later that evening all my season passes had properly been remapped to the new channel numbers.

[wmcbrine]

That's really weird, since we're basically in the same market.It's not weird. He's not on Fios. You're talking Fios, he's talking Comcast.

[naclone]

When my install was done recently, we did not even power off the S3. I just pulled the old Comcast cards out, the FiOS tech installed the new cards, then we got the data off the screen for each card, he input the data into his laptop, and a few minutes later we were doing the channel test on both cards. Very easy.

After he left I reran guided setup, and later that evening all my season passes had properly been remapped to the new channel numbers.

thanks. sounds fairly painless.

anything else i should keep in mind? this kind of thing always stresses me out.

[richsadams]

You can always go for the FIOS broadband now and fuss over the TV later - that's what I did. At least that will get the ONT infrastructure in place - you can add the TV and CableCARDS/STB later and cancel within 14 days if you're not happy. The good news is that you can use the existing cabling. The bad news is if you need to cancel dealing with Verizon billing is another nightmare in itself.

I understand the WAF - been there done that. I can say that, despite some rare PQ issues, I don't regret making the move from Cablevision for a nanosecond.Good idea regarding the broadband, then TV installation, baby steps and all. I might just go that route. :up:

I hear you about VZ's billing dept. We've had VZ Cell phones for a while now and are still trying to get them to change our home address...it's been over a year now. Sheesh!

Thanks for the tip(s)! :)

[richsadams]

It's not weird. He's not on Fios. You're talking Fios, he's talking Comcast.D'oh! :o

[David Platt]

D'oh! :o

Double D'oh. :o

I assumed he was talking about Verizon, since that what I was responding about. I forgot that Rich didn't have FiOS yet.

[SirWells]

Finally up and running with Fios, but only after a 9 hour installation! The installer was a very nice guy but completely inept and was in way over his head. He told me all he was given were two days of training. I was helping up the entire time. Other techs had to come and help him from time to time. He arrived at around 10 AM and we didn't even begin with the cable cards until around 6 PM! I could go on and on but I won't. The important thing is everything finally worked in the end, well sort of.

The cable card installation went well, although the tech had to call up again to inquire why one of my Tivo's were only picking up Verizon's local package only. I restarted the Tivo at the same time Verizon sent a hit to the cards. That Tivo started to work right after, so I'm not sure what exactly did it, but I'm not worrying. On a side note, the installer told me that in training they were taught about cablecards so quickly, because they said the odds of installing them were very slim. Of course, this guys first installation are cablecards! But I digress...

I originally asked for a Cat5 line but realized that what I thought was the ONT outside my building (which serviced about 20 apartments) was really more of a Super ONT. From that box outside, a direct fiber line would be brought into each apartment. From there, a separate ONT box along with battery backup would be installed. Apparently this is something pretty new to Fios, or at least in my area. I had both boxes installed on the top shelf of my hall closet. I had to hide them from view and minimize the amount of space they took up so my wife wouldn't kick me out of the house.

The only main issue that I ran into was trying to bridge the Actiontek. I walked through the entire setup from a thread on DSL Reports. My DLink wouldn't pick up an IP address. I was thinking maybe the range of IPs the DLink used were the same as the Actointek, messed around with the ranges, etc. It got to the point where I had to reset the Actiontek and start over, which I did, to no avail. Finally, I gave up, was going to just use the Actiontek. At that point, I couldn't even access the Actiontek to change settings. I called up Verizon where I was basically chastised for attempting to bridge the Actiontek. I had to wait two hours for the Actiontek to work because I attempted to use another device and pick up an IP. Ended up waiting until this morning, had to reset the router, but finally the Actiontek is working again. I really have no clue what's going on.

Big question, if I'm just using the net for Xbox Live, Netflix streaming, video chat, the occasional bit torrent transfer, will the Actiontek be ok? I keep reading about this NAT issue and I'm wondering if it really applies to me...

[SirWells]

Ok, apparently the Xbox 360 and Fios have major issues. I have to find out how to bridge the Actiontek to my DLink...

[rocko]

Ok, apparently the Xbox 360 and Fios have major issues. I have to find out how to bridge the Actiontek to my DLink...

Errm, not for nothing, but I would caution you not to believe everything you read - unless you read it here, of course :)

I'm hanging an XBox, a Wii, 10 computers, 2 FIOS STBs and 4 TiVos off my Actiontec while running torrents out the wazoo and piggybacking a Linksys WRT300N. No real problems - I do reboot the Actiontec about once a week.

There's nothing special you need to do to piggyback your DLink off the Actiontec. Look back to page 45 of this thread for some details.

And relax.

[SeanC]

I had to wait two hours for the Actiontek to work because I attempted to use another device and pick up an IP. Ended up waiting until this morning, had to reset the router, but finally the Actiontek is working again. I really have no clue what's going on.

While the Actiontek is a pretty crappy router (from a power user point of view), rocko is right, everything should work fine. My neighbor does bittorrent and xbox live with no problems with the Actiontek.

But that's not why I'm replying. The leases that the DHCP system that FIOS uses are ridiculous. Once the system hands out an IP on your connection it will not supply another until it times out or you get FIOS tech support to break the lease. Some agents know this and will do it as a troubleshooting step, some don't. You're better off requesting that they break the lease if you can't get the Actiontek to grab an IP.

[Distortedloop]

Good idea regarding the broadband, then TV installation, baby steps and all. I might just go that route. :up:

I hear you about VZ's billing dept. We've had VZ Cell phones for a while now and are still trying to get them to change our home address...it's been over a year now. Sheesh!

Thanks for the tip(s)! :)

I never had problems with Verizon for either traditional phone service, or when I had them for cellular service, but you sure hear a lot of people bitch about them on the forums. Definitely one of those your mileage may vary things.

One drawback to the idea of stepping in one service at a time is you give up some deep discounts on the services if you don't bundle, don't you?

I switched from a perfectly fine TWC TV/Internet combo to FIOS six weeks ago and couldn't be happier. My internet is twice fast (and pretty much really is in terms of download speeds) and the PQ on TV is far less compressed, plus I have three times as many channels in HD, and three times as many premium movie channels, FOR LESS MONEY.

Very very pleased, and absolutely no issues with the TiVO Series 3 install, even though my installer had never done one before. The only glitch of the day was they didn't have the S-Cards in stock at his local office when he rolled to my house, so he installed the ONT and internet while we waited for an installer from another area to hand deliver the two cards to my house. Now that's impressive.

[Distortedloop]

No real problems - I do reboot the Actiontec about once a week.

From my point of view, THAT'S a real, and big, problem. I've been using routers in the house for over a decade; I've gone through a few different brands and models, but without exception, be it D-Link, Netgear, of Linksys, all of my routers would never require a reboot, even for a year at a time unless I wanted to change a setting or upgrade firmware that required a reboot.

If you're rebooting once per week for stability or some such reason, that seems like an unreasonably short up time for a consumer level device, which should pretty much be plug in and forget, just like any other consumer appliance.

[rocko]

From my point of view, THAT'S a real, and big, problem. I've been using routers in the house for over a decade; I've gone through a few different brands and models, but without exception, be it D-Link, Netgear, of Linksys, all of my routers would never require a reboot, even for a year at a time unless I wanted to change a setting or upgrade firmware that required a reboot.

If you're rebooting once per week for stability or some such reason, that seems like an unreasonably short up time for a consumer level device, which should pretty much be plug in and forget, just like any other consumer appliance.

I do it out of habit, not necessity. That comment was probably irrelevant for the purpose of this conversation.

[wmcbrine]

I don't know why rocko is rebooting once a week, but I don't think I've ever had to in two years.

The only thing I'll criticize my Actiontec for is refusing to talk to my Eee PC wirelessly, but I'm not sure which device is at fault there.

[Scyber]

IIRC, the actiontec router has an undersized NAT table. And once it is full it causes issues (requiring a reboot). This isn't a problem for normal web browsing, but some uses (such as torrents) will fill up the NAT table quickly.

[richsadams]

One drawback to the idea of stepping in one service at a time is you give up some deep discounts on the services if you don't bundle, don't you? Thanks for the advice and the positive VZ feedback. I thought about the bundling bit later...they offer phone/broadband/TV for $99 here (and a little more if you want faster broadband, HBO, etc.) All-in-all it would still be less than Comcast. So yes, I'm pretty sure if I just went with broadband the price wouldn't be as good. I'll probably dive in with both feet...soon. :)

What broadband speed did you end up with? If you had it to do again, would you go with a faster or slower connection? TIA!

[SirWells]

Errm, not for nothing, but I would caution you not to believe everything you read - unless you read it here, of course :)

I'm hanging an XBox, a Wii, 10 computers, 2 FIOS STBs and 4 TiVos off my Actiontec while running torrents out the wazoo and piggybacking a Linksys WRT300N. No real problems - I do reboot the Actiontec about once a week.

There's nothing special you need to do to piggyback your DLink off the Actiontec. Look back to page 45 of this thread for some details.

And relax.

I ended up hardwiring my Xbox 360 to the Actiontech and it runs much better now.

I still want to bridge the Actiontec to my DLink. I think the DLink uses the same IP addresses at the Actiontec. To access the DLink I would use 192.168.0.1 while the Actiontec is 192.168.1.1. I think they both use the same number system for devices though. I tried to change them on my DLink but nothing seemed to work and then the entire Actiontec shut down on me!

[Timber]

Thanks for the advice and the positive VZ feedback. I thought about the bundling bit later...they offer phone/broadband/TV for $99 here (and a little more if you want faster broadband, HBO, etc.) All-in-all it would still be less than Comcast. So yes, I'm pretty sure if I just went with broadband the price wouldn't be as good. I'll probably dive in with both feet...soon. :)

Be careful to compare apples to apples and also make sure you factor in taxes. My cable and FIOS bills were pretty close once I included boxes, unlimited phone, cable cards, etc and got the cable co. to give me an aggressive quote and included tax. However I went for FIOS for the better picture and higher confidence in Verizon rather than Cox on phone service.

-=Tim=-

[Distortedloop]

What broadband speed did you end up with? If you had it to do again, would you go with a faster or slower connection? TIA!

With Time Warner, I had the 10/2 service. FIOS I opted for the 20/5 service, which seemed like the best compromise on speed for torrents/downloads vs price. I'm considering doing more online backups of large amounts of data, and even 5 up is pretty intolerable for that, so I'm considering upping to the 20/20. Of course, if I could even remotely justify the huge premium for the 50 down service, I'd jump on it, but it's a $100/mo premium for that extra speed, and I just can't justify it. It would be sweet, though.

Be careful to compare apples to apples and also make sure you factor in taxes. My cable and FIOS bills were pretty close once I included boxes, unlimited phone, cable cards, etc and got the cable co. to give me an aggressive quote and included tax. However I went for FIOS for the better picture and higher confidence in Verizon rather than Cox on phone service.

Good advice to make sure you're comparing comparable services. As stated earlier, my TV/Internet package, whether you include taxes or not, is less than Time Warner was on a dollar basis, and FIOS is giving me so much more for that (faster internet, better picture quality, and a ton more HD and premium movie channels).

It's pretty easy for the richsadams to run through the package pricing tool on FIOS website to get a comparison. Just make sure to take into account that every television will require a FIOS STB or DVR unless you have CableCard ready TiVos or TVs, and you'll have to account for that as Tim points out. My only gripe with FIOS' pricing is to get this good deal requires the 1 year contract with cancellation fee crap (similar to cellphone contracts), while Time Warner never required a contract. Since I don't plan on canceling, not a real concern, but another pricing consideration to consider when comparing.

[rocko]

I ended up hardwiring my Xbox 360 to the Actiontech and it runs much better now.

I still want to bridge the Actiontec to my DLink. I think the DLink uses the same IP addresses at the Actiontec. To access the DLink I would use 192.168.0.1 while the Actiontec is 192.168.1.1. I think they both use the same number system for devices though. I tried to change them on my DLink but nothing seemed to work and then the entire Actiontec shut down on me!

You should be able to set your DLink to something like:
IP address: 192.168.1.2
DNS: 192.168.1.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0

Turn off DHCP on the DLink and you should be good to go. Remember to connect the DLink using a LAN port, not the WAN port. If you want to use the DLink for wireless access turn off the wireless on the Actiontec.

[SirWells]

You should be able to set your DLink to something like:
IP address: 192.168.1.2
DNS: 192.168.1.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0

Turn off DHCP on the DLink and you should be good to go. Remember to connect the DLink using a LAN port, not the WAN port. If you want to use the DLink for wireless access turn off the wireless on the Actiontec.

So connect LAN on the Actiontek to the Internet (Wan) port on the DLink?

[rocko]

So connect LAN on the Actiontek to the Internet (Wan) port on the DLink?

No. Connect LAN to LAN.

[Jonathan_S]

The leases that the DHCP system that FIOS uses are ridiculous. Once the system hands out an IP on your connection it will not supply another until it times out or you get FIOS tech support to break the lease. Some agents know this and will do it as a troubleshooting step, some don't. You're better off requesting that they break the lease if you can't get the Actiontek to grab an IP.In my experience Verizon's system will honor a DHCP release. So if you accidentally grabbed an IP address with one router, going into its config and hitting DHCP release will cause their DHCP server to drop the lease. Then your other router will be able to get a new DHCP lease without involving Verizon tech support.

[sinanju]

In my experience Verizon's system will honor a DHCP release. So if you accidentally grabbed an IP address with one router, going into its config and hitting DHCP release will cause their DHCP server to drop the lease. Then your other router will be able to get a new DHCP lease without involving Verizon tech support.

You can do a release but, in my experience, the following renew will get you the address you had before.

[Distortedloop]

You can do a release but, in my experience, the following renew will get you the address you had before.

That shouldn't be a problem (if it's even the case) in the context of the issue of trying to switch from the Verizon provided router to your own. Doesn't matter what public ip address you get on the new router, as long as your recognized by Verizon's routers upstream.

Another option I didn't see anyone mention for the original person with the issue was you should be able to "clone" the MAC address of the Verizon provided router in your own router. Look around in your settings for that feature. Then any connection back to the network, Verizon will just think you're the router they provided to you.

[SeanC]

In my experience Verizon's system will honor a DHCP release. So if you accidentally grabbed an IP address with one router, going into its config and hitting DHCP release will cause their DHCP server to drop the lease. Then your other router will be able to get a new DHCP lease without involving Verizon tech support.

Ah, yes. I have seen this but only in one specific situation. Only their CrAptiontek (I think I'll copyright that :)) can do it.

I've had several different Linksys routers (all with DDWRT), and my laptop hooked up directly to the FIOS, none of them could do a release. That is to say, we could send the command, but trying to switch to another device, the new device would not be able to pull an IP.

When I have to troubleshoot with FIOS I put the CrAptiontek in as the primary router. When we're done and my internet is working again I can go in and do a release on the CrAptiontek and switch back to my Linksys. I've done that many times, and it does work.

I suppose it could be a minor bug in DDWRT.... but then that doesn't explain why XP can't release it.

Have you done the release with anything other than the CrAptiontek?

[SirWells]

You should be able to set your DLink to something like:
IP address: 192.168.1.2
DNS: 192.168.1.1
Subnet: 255.255.255.0

Turn off DHCP on the DLink and you should be good to go. Remember to connect the DLink using a LAN port, not the WAN port. If you want to use the DLink for wireless access turn off the wireless on the Actiontec.

Ok, so I should redo the how to make the Actiontec a bridge via these instructions:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17679150-Howto-make-ActionTec-MI424WR-a-network-bridge

Then change the IP address of my Dlink. I think the DNS and Subnet are the same. Do I then reboot both routers or just plug them together (via both LAN ports)? Do I plug my hardwire connections into the DLink then? I don't have to mess around with renew or release of IP addresses? I just don't want to have to call up Verizon again because my router locked me out again. That was not fun...

After what I did last time, I wish I had step by step instructions with accompanying graphics to match. LOL...

[aaronwt]

I find the easiest way to use my Actiontec and Dlink DGL4500 together is to have the Actiontec connected to the ONT. That way if there are ever any problems, it's already connected to the ONT since FIOS typically won't trobleshoot anything if you don't have the Actiontec connected.
Then connect the WAN port of the DLINK to a LAN port on the Actiontec.
Then assign a DMZ to the IP address that the Actiontec gives the DLINk. Mine is 192.168.1.2.
And then my 40 devices are all connected to my Dlink DGL4500. The only FIOS device connected to the Actiontec is my HD STB I use for HD VOD, but that is connected with MoCA over the coaxial cable.
My Dlink assigns IP addressess to everything but the FIOS STB. I've used an IP range of 221.214.xx.xxx for over 10 years, but it's also easier for me to remember.

I have zero problems this way. Never a need to reboot the Actiontec or the Dlink, even with three VUDU boxes using P2P constantly uploading 24/7. Zero problems gaming with my three Xbox 360s. Zero problems with my TiVos. Zero problems with me having over 1TB of traffic every month. No reboots needed. I get my full 50mbs down and 20mbs up. I've been using this setup for over a year now. Previously with a DGL4300. It has no problems.

[rocko]

Ok, so I should redo the how to make the Actiontec a bridge via these instructions:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17679150-Howto-make-ActionTec-MI424WR-a-network-bridge

Then change the IP address of my Dlink. I think the DNS and Subnet are the same. Do I then reboot both routers or just plug them together (via both LAN ports)? Do I plug my hardwire connections into the DLink then? I don't have to mess around with renew or release of IP addresses? I just don't want to have to call up Verizon again because my router locked me out again. That was not fun...

After what I did last time, I wish I had step by step instructions with accompanying graphics to match. LOL...

I don't remember doing anything special to configure the Actiontec for bridge mode. I would ignore that DSLReports article for now.

Otherwise, I have it set up like Aaronwt. Instead of creating a DMZ on the DLink I just turn off the firewall - the firewall is turned on on the Actiontec. I also connect LAN port to LAN port - I found problems connecting to the DLink WAN port - but whatever works. Actually, now that I look at it again I have both the WAN port and a LAN port connected

[SirWells]

I don't remember doing anything special to configure the Actiontec for bridge mode. I would ignore that DSLReports article for now.

Otherwise, I have it set up like Aaronwt. Instead of creating a DMZ on the DLink I just turn off the firewall - the firewall is turned on on the Actiontec. I also connect LAN port to LAN port - I found problems connecting to the DLink WAN port - but whatever works. Actually, now that I look at it again I have both the WAN port and a LAN port connected

So I don't have to configure the Actiontec at all? Just turn off the firewall on the Dlink and connect Lan to Lan? Wouldn't this still leave the small Nat table?

[pilotbob]

So I don't have to configure the Actiontec at all? Just turn off the firewall on the Dlink and connect Lan to Lan? Wouldn't this still leave the small Nat table?

Yes. If the Actiontec is doing the NAT/DHCP. But, give it a try. I'm pretty sure Actiontec has an updated firmware since all this talk of their NAT table issues. Perhaps they resolved it. I know many people who love the actiontec and have no problems with it.

BOb

[aaronwt]

Yes. If the Actiontec is doing the NAT/DHCP. But, give it a try. I'm pretty sure Actiontec has an updated firmware since all this talk of their NAT table issues. Perhaps they resolved it. I know many people who love the actiontec and have no problems with it.

BOb

I have yet to have any NAT problems. My only actiontec log entries are ip renewals. And my 3 VUDU boxes are running P2P 24/7. And even when I've used UTorrent and run it for several days straight, no problems. No need for a reboot.

[jay_man2]

Thanks very much for the report...very encouraging! :up:

How is your PQ? Are you seeing any issues?

Thanks again, enjoy and happy New Year!Just an update to my earlier posts. After having FiOS a couple of days, I did notice the pixelation and audio dropouts, but only on ESPNHD with the TiVo.

I ordered the attenuator pack from Smarthome, and put a -20 attenuator on the TiVo coax. That dropped the signal strength and signal to noise ratio, and has solved that issue.

Very happy camper here. And I was able to disconnect Comcast right at the end of a billing period. Sweet. :D

[richsadams]

Just an update to my earlier posts. Thanks for that! :up:

[Jonathan_S]

Ah, yes. I have seen this but only in one specific situation. Only their CrAptiontek (I think I'll copyright that :)) can do it.

I've had several different Linksys routers (all with DDWRT), and my laptop hooked up directly to the FIOS, none of them could do a release. That is to say, we could send the command, but trying to switch to another device, the new device would not be able to pull an IP.

When I have to troubleshoot with FIOS I put the CrAptiontek in as the primary router. When we're done and my internet is working again I can go in and do a release on the CrAptiontek and switch back to my Linksys. I've done that many times, and it does work.

I suppose it could be a minor bug in DDWRT.... but then that doesn't explain why XP can't release it.

Have you done the release with anything other than the CrAptiontek?I'm almost possitive that I did a release from XP before renewing on my linux box.

We were troubleshooting initial connection problems (which turned out to be a screw-up on their end, when they bumped my speed from 5/2 to 10/2 they apparently input my info on the wrong switch and effectively cut off my service) we'd eleminate both my normal linux box router and their actiontek (which I'd dug out of storage) and were using XPs built in DHCP to try to eliminate variables.

Once we got it working I'm 99% sure I dropped the DHCP lease from my end before hooking my linux router back up.

[SirWells]

One of my HD channels (HDNETMovies) stopped working last night on one of my Tivos, while it works on the other. Do the cards in that box need to be hit? [EDIT: Two days later, the channel is now working. Who knows?]

There are also channels that do not appear on Verizon's guide, yet the Tivo picks up, however, I receive no picture or sound from those channels, just a gray screen. Maybe these are stations that will be added in the future?

[naclone]

just wanted to share my recent FiOS experience...

was a bit of a nightmare initially as my scheduled install window came and went with no tech appearance until several hours later. When the guy showed up he didn't have the cable cards i ordered, nor did he have his Verizon ID so my building staff would not grant him access to the basement. so, a totally wasted day for me. but i rescheduled.

I was porting my phone number over from another carrier and verizon assured me that despite missing my scheduled installation, my existing services would not be interrupted. Well, they were.

I called back and insisted they expedite the install for an earlier time than I had rescheduled, which they did. Sort of.

When i called to confirm a few days later, they didn't have the new date in the system. just the original reschedule.

Finally got a new install date/time (yesterday) and the guys showed up on time and quickly blew through a triple play install in about 2 hours.

despite telling the guy that i would not be using VOD or the verizon guide data and did not want to use the actiontec, they told me it wasn't optional and had to be installed.

the cable card process was a breeze and the only real hang up was fios not coming up as a provider for my zip code during guided setup so i just plugged in an alternate one.

so far so good with regard to pixelation (i haven't seen any despite running at about 36 SNR). I have some attenuators and supposedly there is a low-pass installed in the basement of the building. not sure if it is relevant or not but i noticed with RCN that the SNR was also around 36 and never had pixelation, so i am hoping that continues.

overall i'm very happy despite the initial frustration with scheduling. i've just found the NIM100 thread so i am interested in checking that out and possibly bypassing the actiontec in favor of my belkin n1.

[killzone]

despite telling the guy that i would not be using VOD or the verizon guide data and did not want to use the actiontec, they told me it wasn't optional and had to be installed.

.
Since you mentioned triple play, I assume you are getting internet access..

Unless you have another MoCA device or router, you need the actiontec for internet service.

[naclone]

Since you mentioned triple play, I assume you are getting internet access..

Unless you have another MoCA device or router, you need the actiontec for internet service.

well, i have a wireless router already so i was hoping they could use that instead since i just purchased it recently and have no need for MoCA.

[webin]

Unless you have another MoCA device or router, you need the actiontec for internet service.

Not entirely accurate. Internet can also be sent from the ONT to the router via Ethernet. Though it sounds like in this situation, running an ethernet cable from the basement to the user would be problematic... making the existing coax (moca) the best option.

What you can do is use your new wireless router as a secondary router, so the coax connects to the actiontec, and then you connect your router to that and run your computers from your own router. You'll want to look around this forum a bit for that discussion.

[naclone]

didn't realize til i looked just now that the actiontec has both an ethernet cable running to it as well as coax. i thought it was just connected by ethernet.

[socalclimber]

I had FIOS Triple Play installed 2 weeks ago, and am happy with FIOS so far, and love the Internet speed 20/5 and HD Exteme TV. I don't mind the advertized price of $109 per month sans taxes(Claremont/Pomona, CA), except that I didn't know that the STB was NOT included in that price, nor have I gotten a bill yet, so I hope I'm not too surprised.

I also ordered a cablecard for my TivoHD. Installer came and did install, but did not bring any cablecards, nor did order say that I ordered a cablecard. And, he said that he never installs cablecards.

I call Verizon back and stated my frustrations that cablecard was lost in the order and they installed an HD DVR STB instead. After reading up on S-cards vs M-cards, I knew I wanted an M-card for my TivoHD, and Verizon is charging $3.99 per month for those.

I happen to be sick today, so don't mind being around for cablecard install at 10-12noon. No one shows, then they call 12:30PM and say they will be late. I happen to ask to confirm with installer that he is coming with a cablecard, and this should be an M-card, right? He is clueless and says that his order says to install a STB. I say "No," this is a cablecard install for my TivoHD. He says he'll get back to me.

4pm, installer shows up, and says his supervisor will be here shortly with the cablecard. I am hopeful. Supervisor finally shows up at 5pm with cablecard and one of them reads off serial number, and I copy that down (just in case). He inserts card into TivoHD slot#1, and I immediatey see card pop up in tivo screen, BUT it's an S-card!

I say, "that card is an S-card, and I ordered an M-card."

The supervisor says, "What's the difference?"

I say, "M-cards can decode 2 channels, and S-cards only 1 at a time."

He says, "Oh, let me check on that."

He calls his supervisor (at regional yard) and he says they can't get the M-cards (or maybe they choose not to). I ask if they can special order one, as I'd prefer NOT to pay the extra $3.99 per month for a second S-card. He talks with 2nd supervisor, and confirms that they don't have the M-cards, and they CANNOT or Will Not order one for me.

So, I'm frustrated with Verizon over this issue, and will likey just order 2x S-card and be done with it. I think Verizon is too big to give good service, or my service area is below par with rest of nation.

Frankly, I'm surprised that they say they can't get me an M-card, and I live in a suberb of LA-one of the largest cities in the US-so you would think that Verizon would have M-cards here??

[richsadams]

IIRC only a couple of other folks here have been able to get "M" cable cards from VZ. Apparently a majority of the areas they serve only have "S" cable cards.

[Gregor]

"Losing" cablecards on an install order is pretty common. My entire installation order got cancelled and I ended up spending quite a bit of time on the phone to get the mess resolved.

Once the installers came, they did a great job, they were very meticulous about getting all 6 cards up and working.

[naclone]

my original order was 2 S-cards since i have an S3 as well as an SD STB for my Tivo DT. On a subsequent confirmation call the rep indicated my order was 2 digital adaptors and an SD STB. I told her that i ordered cable cards and not digital adaptors and she said they were the same thing. On a later call when i was going through a bunch of scheduling mess i again tried to confirm my ordered equipment and was told i had 2 digital adaptors and an HD DVR. i told her it was supposed to be just an SD STB with no DVR. and then asked what exactly a digital adaptor was. She said it is the smaller box that looks like a modem - with no LED display. I told her that was not at all what i needed and what i had ordered was 2 cable cards. and that i prefered that they were S-cards since i needed two anyways for the S3. long story longer, what showed up was 2 M-Cards and an HD STB. luckily the guys had an SD box on the truck since the HD boxes are more expensive. The guys opened up the M-cards and knew that they were new but i didn't get the sense they knew what they did differently.

But i feel terrible i have 2 M-cards in my S3 when there are TiVo HD folks out there who can't get their hands on them.

[ah30k]

S-Cards are pretty much gone from all the companies inventories. They are not made anymore so don't feel bad about.

[lrhorer]

"Losing" cablecards on an install order is pretty common. My entire installation order got cancelled and I ended up spending quite a bit of time on the phone to get the mess resolved.

Once the installers came, they did a great job, they were very meticulous about getting all 6 cards up and working.
Yeah, to be fair - although I'm not sure "fair" is really the best word to use, it has been my experience that utility companies in general, and CATV companies specifically have a very hard time getting orders correctly from the customer's telephone call or office visit to the installer's hands. It's like a game of "Rumors". One of the more common complaints from CATV technicians when I worked for the local cable company was the volume of trouble calls that turned out to be nothing more than installation errors. Of course, sometimes it was an error solely on the part of the installer, but far more often than should have been the case, the error was in the instructions / work order given to the installer. With CableCards you now not only have that chronic issue, but you have - inexcusably in my estimation - a lack of training and familiarity with which to deal on top of the ordinary breakdowns in the chain of command.

[DeWitt]

Having now gone though three Fios installs with various family members I can say that the ordering and billing systems are horrible. Best bet is always to call back a second time and re confirm everything.

On the other hand the technicians that have arrived to do the installs have all been very very good. No comparison to the typical hacks the cable companies use.

[jws74]

Here's a cablecard installation from Gresham Oregon... I've been a FiOS TV subscriber since the beginning of December, and got a TiVo HD XL for Christmas. We've also had an older LCD tv with cablecard slot that I thought would be nice to finally get up and running without having a STB... so...

After waiting 3 weeks for the install appointment (!), the installer showed up at around 11:00 this morning, and we promptly got the TiVo up and running - no problem at all. It just worked.

The LG tv, however, wasn't as smooth. The phone people that the technician was talking to apparently didn't know what they were doing (sounded like all they did was verify the numbers, etc, and didn't pay any attention to the fact that there was no OOB data being received/sent).

After fighting with it for quite a while, I thanked the installer and let him leave. At least the TiVo was working, and I still had the second cablecard to work with as a "project".

I left the TV on for about an hour or so, and it started to report that it was getting OOB data. I called the FSC and had to convince them to just send a hit. (The term she used was 'warm reset' fwiw.) They sent the hit, and all of a sudden life was good and everything was working as intended.

I was really anticipating having a much longer appointment than that.

The technician said all he had were M-cards so there's another confirmation that that is all there is in Oregon.

[richsadams]

Here's a cablecard installation from Gresham Oregon... <snip>Thanks for the post...all good info. :up:

[socalclimber]

S-Cards are pretty much gone from all the companies inventories. They are not made anymore so don't feel bad about.

Except here in the outskirts of the small town of Los Angeles (pomona/claremont), where I await the install in 2 weeks of my two S-cards for my TivoHD. It's strange that some areas ONLY have M-cards, and my VZ local yard said they can't get them...just a tad fishy!

I just got my first VZ bill, and can't wait to return the HD DVR STB and avoid the $15.99/month rental charge.

[slocko]

So I can replace my 4 S cards with 2 M cards and save 3.99 times 2?

[SeanC]

Only if you have a TivoHD, the original Series 3 must use 2 cards whether they are M or S.

[pilotbob]

So I can replace my 4 S cards with 2 M cards and save 3.99 times 2?

Sure if you want to pay the $40 truck roll price.

BOb

[slocko]

I'm on a year contract so in 5 months i break even. And honestly, I don't see myself ditching Verizon any time soon.

Sure if you want to pay the $40 truck roll price.

BOb

[pilotbob]

I'm on a year contract so in 5 months i break even. And honestly, I don't see myself ditching Verizon any time soon.

I'm waiting till I get a second TiVo. since I will have to pay the price anyway. I will have them bring 2 M cards at that time. Till then, I'm not worried.

BOb

[rocko]

Thanks for the post...all good info. :up:

C'mon, Rich. Do it. You know you want to :)

[sardonux]

I have the Verizon engineer here installing dual MCards in my S3 Tivo right now.

He said that here in the Metro Washington DC area, they don't carry the old SCards anymore. He also mentioned that quality/reliability of them is a big factor on avoiding using them. He is pretty good from a technical perspective, and has been very open to working with me on discovery to make sure everything is installed right.

It is a shame that [at least it sounds like] techs that come onsite vary in experience between geographic areas. I have had nothing but great success with FIOS here since almost 2 years ago when they started offering it and they trounce every other provider available on offerings.

[slocko]

I thought with MCards you only needed one in your Tivo?

I have the Verizon engineer here installing dual MCards in my S3 Tivo right now.

He said that here in the Metro Washington DC area, they don't carry the old SCards anymore. He also mentioned that quality/reliability of them is a big factor on avoiding using them. He is pretty good from a technical perspective, and has been very open to working with me on discovery to make sure everything is installed right.

It is a shame that [at least it sounds like] techs that come onsite vary in experience between geographic areas. I have had nothing but great success with FIOS here since almost 2 years ago when they started offering it and they trounce every other provider available on offerings.

[wmcbrine]

I thought with MCards you only needed one in your Tivo?Not in the original S3. :( It was supposed to support multi-stream cards, but they weren't out yet when it was developed, and TiVo has seemingly abandoned their pledge to make them work. They only "work" in backwards-compatibility mode, as single-stream cards.

They work properly in the TiVo HD.

[ah30k]

... and TiVo has seemingly abandoned their pledge to make them work.Where did TiVo pledge to make them work?

[wmcbrine]

Where did TiVo pledge to make them work?Right on the back of the unit, for one place.

[slocko]

ahhh, thxs for clearing that up.

[ah30k]

Right on the back of the unit, for one place.This photo doesn't show the bottom wording, maybe you can tell me what it says since mine is not very accessible. While you are at it, what is your definition of a "pledge to get it working"? In my humble opinion someone would have to actually promise or pledge that they would actually do it.

Now if you are claiming they wanted to or hoped to or intended to or implied they would then you'll get no argument. Claiming they pledged to though is totally baseless and adds to the rash of posters on this forum putting words into TiVos mouth that were never actually said.

http://www.gizmolovers.com.nyud.net/Photos/Series3-Review/Medium/TiVo-Box-12.jpg

[sinanju]

This photo doesn't show the bottom wording

It isn't there. There was a pic from CES, but I don't know if any production units were built with that text on them. Perhaps because the CES text suggests M-Cards couldn't be used in the top slot.

It is, however, documented on page 102 of the original manual as a done deal. There is a caveat about M-Cards not being available at the time of the writing of the document but, as worded, doesn't mention anything about "intended" or "forthcoming" support:

"Note: A single multi-stream CableCARD decoder installed in the bottom slot on the back of the DVR enables dual tuner functionality."

That language hasn't been updated in the manual on TiVo's site: http://www.tivo.com/assets/kdb/TiVo%20Series3%20HD%20Viewers%20Guide%20-%20Troubleshooting.pdf

[ah30k]

Sinanju,
All that you point to supports the claim that TiVo intended for it work. In fact, they thought that it would work until, well, it didn't. Such are the facts and not in dispute.

Now show me where TiVo pledged to make it work as our esteemed colleague claimed they did.

[webin]

Such are the facts and not in dispute.

Now show me where TiVo pledged to make it work as our esteemed colleague claimed they did.

This isn't really anything that needs to be argued about. We have the fact that Series3 doesn't work with M-Cards in dual-tuner mode, and it doesn't really have anything to do with FiOS, the topic of this thread.

[sinanju]

Now show me where TiVo pledged to make it work as our esteemed colleague claimed they did.

Why? I'm not the one claiming the made a pledge. Are you so worked up about this that you can't keep track of who claimed what?

[ah30k]

Why? I'm not the one claiming the made a pledge. Are you so worked up about this that you can't keep track of who claimed what?When I asked wmcbrine to show me where TiVo pledged to make it work you chimed in with all of the references TiVo made that it would work (manual pages, web pages, etc) without caveating with 'intended' or 'forthcoming' wording. Sure sounded to me like you agreed with wmcbrine and his claim. Or maybe I misread your post.

And yes, I do get worked up over stupid claims that TiVo promised this or pledged this that are totally baseless. Then others chime in and agree with the OP which just gets me even more frustrated. I should let irresponsible comments go without comment but can't seem to do that.

[sinanju]

When I asked wmcbrine to show me where TiVo pledged to make it work you chimed in with all of the references TiVo made that it would work (manual pages, web pages, etc) without caveating with 'intended' or 'forthcoming' wording. Sure sounded to me like you agreed with wmcbrine and his claim. Or maybe I misread your post.

And yes, I do get worked up over stupid claims that TiVo promised this or pledged this that are totally baseless. Then others chime in and agree with the OP which just gets me even more frustrated. I should let irresponsible comments go without comment but can't seem to do that.

Apparently, you got so worked up you missed the part where I actually mentioned that wmcbrine was incorrect about the labeling on the production S3 vs the CES S3, contradicting wmcbrine and his claim.

I was simply presenting facts. Apparently you think the facts have an anti-TiVo bias. Take a deep breath and get a grip.

[webin]

Boys. You have a thread to argue about the MCards. Stop doing it here, please. Or better yet, PM each other. Or better still, drop it. No one cares.

//gets out the fire hose

[Timber]

http://www.timbarwick.com/facepalm.jpg

-=Tim=-

[drew7777]

I've had Fios for five weeks now and have been a Tivo customer for 5+ years. So far I love Fios for their picture quality and internet speed. However, customer service so far has been a nightmare. We tried their DVR and have deemed it inadequate.

I am about to order a Tivo HD but am having problems getting Verizon to ship me cable cards. They are telling me they "can't" ship them and an installer must bring them to me for $79.99. So, who do I need to speak with to have them ship me cable cards so I can install them myself?

Thank you,
-Drew

[TheBar1]

So, who do I need to speak with to have them ship me cable cards so I can install them myself?

Drew - I'm pretty sure you are out of luck on that truckroll fee that Verizon charges for CC installs. Do yourself a favor, though, and ask if the Tech can bring you an M-Card as opposed to two S-Cards. The monthly fee is identical, so you could at least save a little on that.

I've observed increasingly positive (but still mixed) results with folks getting the M-Cards from Verizon now. As a two S-Card user, the only thing that is holding me back from an M-Card order is that expensive truckroll fee. Oh well!

Good luck!

[richsadams]

C'mon, Rich. Do it. You know you want to :)Okay, okay. Not because of peer pressure mind you (well, maybe a little ;) ). Comcast just had a rate increase and pushed our monthly over $200. :eek: Enough! I'm calling the tech I originally talked to (the one that was aware that TiVo's in the area needed a little attenuation on a certain frequency/band) and set up an appointment. Hope all goes well...wish me luck!

[David Platt]

Okay, okay. Not because of peer pressure mind you (well, maybe a little ;) ). Comcast just had a rate increase and pushed our monthly over $200. :eek: Enough! I'm calling the tech I originally talked to (the one that was aware that TiVo's in the area needed a little attenuation on a certain frequency/band) and set up an appointment. Hope all goes well...wish me luck!

Yay!! Finally!! :D

[richsadams]

Yay!! Finally!! :DBe nice...I know where you live...well, sort of. :D

[webin]

'Bout dern time, Rich!

[richsadams]

'Bout dern time, Rich!Sigh. :o

[rocko]

Attaboy. Welcome to the dark side :D

Seriously, I doubt you'll regret it.

[slimjim867]

Just checking.
Am I correct in assuming that as of today 2/5/09,
that the S3 still does not provide dual tuner functionality with one M card?

[richsadams]

Just checking.
Am I correct in assuming that as of today 2/5/09,
that the S3 still does not provide dual tuner functionality with one M card?That is correct. With regard to cable cards, TiVo Series3's still require two "S" or two "M" cable cards. Money says single "M" card functionality with Series3's will likely never happen.

[adamt56]

How is the picture quality when viewed through the TiVoHD box when compared to the Verizon provided STB ?

[jay_man2]

How is the picture quality when viewed through the TiVoHD box when compared to the Verizon provided STB ?With my S3, I think the picture is just a tad better than it is with the FiOS STB. But both are head and shoulders above what I got with Comcast.:cool:

[drew7777]

Verizon is supposed to come today to delivery my cable card(s). I have a TivoHD and I told the phone rep from Verizon that I needed either two S cards or just one M card. Am I correct in saying that? Will I be able to utilize the dual tuner functionality with just one M card?

I'm asking as I saw a post above regarding M card in a series3 Tivo.

Thanks!
-Drew

[pilotbob]

Am I correct in saying that? Will I be able to utilize the dual tuner functionality with just one M card?


Yes with a TivoHD that is correct.

BOb

[drew7777]

Ahhh, Tivo, I love you!

The Fios tech showed up, had Maryland cable cards instead of Virginia ones? At any rate, he went to back to the office, swapped them, installed them, and I'm now back to normal with my Tivo.

The install was pretty straight forward; we followed the directions provided by Tivo and there were no hiccups (I had already downloaded program information and updated to the newest version of their software).

Anyone need an 80-hour Series2 Dual Tuner?

Thanks again everyone!
-Drew

[drew7777]

Cable cards are installed and working, but I have a couple of questions about things to expect.

1 - I'm getting a full gray screen for a second+ when switching channels. Is this typical?

2 - I tried leaving the Tivo set to Native resolution but when switching between channels and from channels to the Tivo Now Playing screen it would drop the signal and cause the TV (Panasonic TH-42PZ85U connected via HDMI) to display the input# and a black screen. I decided I would set the video format of the TivoHD to 1080i fixed and this has fixed that issue. Should I leave it at 1080i - will it cause problems on SD/ED stations? Is there any way around this - maybe using composite cables? What is recommended.

Thanks again!
-Drew

[bkdtv]

Cable cards are installed and working, but I have a couple of questions about things to expect.

1 - I'm getting a full gray screen for a second+ when switching channels. Is this typical?TiVo improved channel changing speed with the latest software. If you just installed your TiVo, it will still have the old software.

Every TiVo ships with the relatively slow v8.1.7 software from early 2007. Furthermore, all guide databases must be indexed in the background for the first ~48 hours after initial setup. The background indexing noticeably slows responsiveness during that period. Most users receive an update to the latest software (now 11.0) after about a week, and guide data must be re-indexed for another ~48 afters after that update, temporarily slowing responsiveness again. The TivoHD does not reach full responsiveness until 48-72 hours after the v11.0 install.

You can usually speed the software update process by forcing a few connections via Settings -> Phone & Network -> Connect to TiVo Service. Once your Phone & Network screen says "Pending Reboot," that means a software update is available for install. Normally, the TiVo would just reboot during the early morning hours to install the update, but you make that happen immediately by selecting Settings -> Restart or Reset System -> Restart the TivoHD. Software updates can take up to an hour to install.

2 - I tried leaving the Tivo set to Native resolution but when switching between channels and from channels to the Tivo Now Playing screen it would drop the signal and cause the TV (Panasonic TH-42PZ85U connected via HDMI) to display the input# and a black screen. I decided I would set the video format of the TivoHD to 1080i fixed and this has fixed that issue. Should I leave it at 1080i - will it cause problems on SD/ED stations? Is there any way around this - maybe using composite cables? What is recommended.If you use a native or hybrid output mode, the TiVo will change output resolutions on the fly, depending on the channel you are on. Displays do not change resolutions instantly; some can do it in 1-2 seconds and others can take 5-6 seconds.

If you used a fixed mode, all channels are converted to the same resolution for display, so you eliminate the resolution switching. If you do that, you are using the TiVo to process/upscale your SD channels rather than your TV.

If you are new to the TivoHD, be sure to see my tips post right here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5929134#post5929134).

[mae]

Okay, okay. Not because of peer pressure mind you (well, maybe a little ;) ). Comcast just had a rate increase and pushed our monthly over $200. :eek: Enough! I'm calling the tech I originally talked to (the one that was aware that TiVo's in the area needed a little attenuation on a certain frequency/band) and set up an appointment. Hope all goes well...wish me luck!

Rich,

How did it go? Now the free (crummy) DVR promotion is over and a $150 rebate promo is on, I'm about to pull the trigger. After (of course) my daughter puts our name in for HER $150 promo!

I have to admit the with everything (currently) working with Comcast and the pixelation issues, I am a little scared. That's why I'm wondering how your switch went.;)

Thanks.

Mark

[richsadams]

Rich,

How did it go? Now the free (crummy) DVR promotion is over and a $150 rebate promo is on, I'm about to pull the trigger. After (of course) my daughter puts our name in for HER $150 promo!

I have to admit the with everything (currently) working with Comcast and the pixelation issues, I am a little scared. That's why I'm wondering how your switch went.;)

Thanks.

MarkHey Mark...hasn't happened just yet. I've been in and out of town and only just now has the dust settled enough for me to make an appointment. Wish I had good news for you. When I looked last week the "free" DVR for six months was still good...but I just found the $150 promo. That sounds much better (we don't need the VZ DVR of course).

I'm still wary about the pixelation issue but am dying for the improved PQ and big pipe broadband. Plus the more-or-less very same programming we have w/Comcast at $206 is about $120 from VZ...at least for the first year. Makes it almost a no-brainer!

[mae]

Hey Mark...hasn't happened just yet. I've been in and out of town and only just now has the dust settled enough for me to make an appointment. Wish I had good news for you. When I looked last week the "free" DVR for six months was still good...but I just found the $150 promo. That sounds much better (we don't need the VZ DVR of course).

I'm still wary about the pixelation issue but am dying for the improved PQ and big pipe broadband. Plus the more-or-less very same programming we have w/Comcast at $206 is about $120 from VZ...at least for the first year. Makes it almost a no-brainer!

Rich,

It will be about $85/month cheaper for me over the current Comcast/Verizon bills. Even more when the 6 month promo I begged from Comcast is over in 3 months!

If you haven't ordered yet, make sure some family or friend will get the $50 per service ($150) referral bonus for you. There is a web site they use to submit your name and if you sign up in 30 days, they get the credit. My daughter called me during the Oscars last night when she saw a commercial for the new promo. SHE can't wait for me to switch.

Looks like we'll be on about the same schedule.

Mark

[richsadams]

If you haven't ordered yet, make sure some family or friend will get the $50 per service ($150) referral bonus for you. There is a web site they use to submit your name and if you sign up in 30 days, they get the credit. Ah, I hadn't gotten to the "$150 fine print" yet. I don't know of anyone that has FIOS at the moment. :( I'll have to think about that. Anyway, we can compare notes later! :up:

[webin]

Ah, I hadn't gotten to the "$150 fine print" yet. I don't know of anyone that has FIOS at the moment. :( I'll have to think about that. Anyway, we can compare notes later! :up:

/hums to himself....

[mae]

Ah, I hadn't gotten to the "$150 fine print" yet. I don't know of anyone that has FIOS at the moment. :( I'll have to think about that. Anyway, we can compare notes later! :up:

Rich,

They are different issues. The referral offer is a standing one for current subscribers, unrelated to the "promo of the month" for new subscribers.

As for the fine print on the current "new subscribers $150) promo", I froze the screen on the commercial last night, and it seems to be a payoff in debit cards over time. I haven't had a chance to either call them or look at the web site.

Mark

[richsadams]

Rich,

They are different issues. The referral offer is a standing one for current subscribers, unrelated to the "promo of the month" for new subscribers.

As for the fine print on the current "new subscribers $150) promo", I froze the screen on the commercial last night, and it seems to be a payoff in debit cards over time. I haven't had a chance to either call them or look at the web site.

MarkThanks for that Mark...I will take a moment today to perform some due diligence and see what turns up. Debit cards spend just about as good as cash most places so I'm in if that's the case. Report back soon.

Webin...will you be my friend? :D

[David Platt]

Webin...will you be my friend? :D

Damn. Always a day late and $50 short. I was hoping I could be your friend. :D

[richsadams]

Damn. Always a day late and $50 short. I was hoping I could be your friend. :DD'oh! :o

[wmcbrine]

I'm a friend to anyone who wants to sign up with Fios. :D

[webin]

Heya Rich, thanks for the friend invite... but go ahead and take one of the other guys this time. I've got too much going on this week to deal with a VZ referral and the potential billing issues that might ensue. Oh how I wish that weren't true :-(

[mae]

Thanks for that Mark...I will take a moment today to perform some due diligence and see what turns up. Debit cards spend just about as good as cash most places so I'm in if that's the case. Report back soon.

Webin...will you be my friend? :D

Rich,

Looks like I made my move first...signed up today with an install set for 3/25.

I found out a few interesting things that may be of use to you.

1) The 800(etc) numbers on the ads lead to various call centers where folks don't seem to know much. It turns out VZ opened a store front less than 2 miles away. They do demos but again, had never heard of a cablecard. They exist as a pickup/exchange/drop-off point for boxes. They did give me a number with a local area code that went to a call center where people actually knew things!!!!:D They knew they had M cards and what a TiVo is. They knew about various internet options and routers.

2) They had various additional deals (over and above the $150 debit card) like a $30 credit and an HD box free for a year. They were able to do a little negotiation. They also understood the referral credit for my daughter.

So, you should try and find an equivalent in your area to bypass the national call centers. If you PM me, I'll give you the local number here and you can ask them.

I'm a little concerned about some 28 year old RG59 that is now hidden, but I'm told that it "should" be OK for the TV and the MoCA due to the usually troubling high signal levels. I've bought a variable attenuator to deal with any issues for the TiVo.

I'll post here on the installation experience in two weeks.

Mark

[richsadams]

Many tanks Mark. Sent a P.M.

[johncoyne]

I see that you mentioned M cards. Are these now available from Verizon? Also, what's the benefit of the M card over the two cards I use now (I do know you need only one M card, and should (?) then save a bit of money on the card "rental") but are M cards better tech wise? Thanks.
John, NY

[richsadams]

I see that you mentioned M cards. Are these now available from Verizon? Also, what's the benefit of the M card over the two cards I use now (I do know you need only one M card, and should (?) then save a bit of money on the card "rental") but are M cards better tech wise? Thanks.
John, NYTiVo Series3's require two cable cards, either "S" or "M". TiVo HD/HDXL's can use a single "M", multi-stream or two "S", single-stream cable cards. Initially VZ and other cableco's only offered "S" cable cards. Many posts are now indicating that VZ is starting to deliver "M" cable cards depending on the geographical area.

"M" cards can decode up to six channels simultaneously. Of course TiVo is only capable of processing two. "S" cards only decode one video stream. The setup process takes a little longer with "S" cards because they both have to be activated/paired separately (slot 0 first, then slot 1). That said AFAIK there's no technical advantage to having an "M" card other than removing one failure point. (But if there is I'd also like to know what it might be).

As you mentioned, the only advantage to using one "M" over two "S" cable cards that I'm aware of is the possible reduction in cost to the final user. Some companies charge per card. Sometimes the first card is free, then from as little as $1.50 to $7.00 for each additional card.

[webin]

what's the benefit of the M card over the two cards I use now (I do know you need only one M card, and should (?) then save a bit of money on the card "rental") but are M cards better tech wise? Thanks.
John, NY


Rich outlined the important stuff. From your post, it sounds like you are wondering if you should swap your 2x S-Cards for 1x M-Card.. while you would save $3.99 per month, Verizon will most likely charge you $80 for a "truck roll" to come out and install the M-Card, so if you currently have S-Cards, it'd take 20 months to see any financial benefit from the single M-Card.

[Gregor]

Rich outlined the important stuff. From your post, it sounds like you are wondering if you should swap your 2x S-Cards for 1x M-Card.. while you would save $3.99 per month, Verizon will most likely charge you $80 for a "truck roll" to come out and install the M-Card, so if you currently have S-Cards, it'd take 20 months to see any financial benefit from the single M-Card.

The other reason I don't do it is because it's working right and I don't want to go through install hell again. :)

[richsadams]

The other reason I don't do it is because it's working right and I don't want to go through install hell again. :)Probably the best reason of all! :up:

[TeamW]

I ordered a multi-stream card and the guy showed up with a single stream card. I eventually made them come back and install a multi-stream card at their expense, but not without taking a lot of flack from their tech. support. I heard various excuses like:

"We don't have those right now."

"Those are the old ones and they are out of stock."

and a few other things of similar credibility.

I pushed back on that nonsense. Finally I got through to a supervisor who let me know this: in the Verizon equipment inventory system - they have one SKU - for "CableCard" they don't have a separate entry for multi-stream cards vs. single stream cards. This is why my original order was screwed up and why you may still have trouble getting them to install a M-Card.

The supervisor put in all kinds of notes in capital letters on my work order to tell the technician he needed to bring out a M-Card rather than an S-Card. That did work.

So don't take any B.S. - they do indeed support and stock multi-stream cable cards, they just don't have any way to enter a request for an M-Card into their system for you.

So ask for what you need and make them give it to you. While I completely understand the desire to not mess with a 2 card system if it is working right - for new installs you should make them give you an M-Card, as it is stupid to pay them for two cards when you only need one.

I am in the Wash. DC metro area and got an M-Card three weeks ago. Don't let them jerk you around!

[cnsteph]

Okay, I read through the first 8 pages of this thread then my adhd kicked in. So whats the verdict: can Verizon FiOS and Tivo HD work well together?
Which Tivo should I get?
What equipment do I need (saw a few posts about the Multi cable card)?
Can someone do a summary for me, please?

[sinanju]

Okay, I read through the first 8 pages of this thread then my adhd kicked in. So whats the verdict: can Verizon FiOS and Tivo HD work well together?

Usually.


Which Tivo should I get?


Whichever suits your requirements and budget. The question is unrelated to FiOS -- assuming we're talking about the TiVo HD vs HD XL... that is the forum we're in. A Series 2 Dual Tuner would be a different story.



What equipment do I need (saw a few posts about the Multi cable card)?
Can someone do a summary for me, please?

A TiVo HD will require one multistream CableCARD or two single stream cards. Since Verizon charges $3.99 each for them, you'll want to try to get the former.

[innocentfreak]

I have a quick question. My friend is looking to switch to Fios from Directv and as a result got me looking into it. One thing that confused me is when I looked on the Verizon site for price options I noticed they mentioned Tuning Adaptors for 4.99 but no option for cable cards only.

Is Fios now requiring tuning adaptors to get all the channels similar to how it appears other companies are requiring it? Or is this just for analog equipment?

[wmcbrine]

Verizon does not have tuning adaptors. What you're seeing is the "digital adaptor", which is simply a low-end cable box, with no guide or VOD. (The only on-screen displays are the channel number and the debugging menus.) They call it an adaptor because it provides analog-equivalent functionality, I guess, and they were handing them out for free to customers who signed up back when Fios offered analog service.

And no, they don't have CableCards on their site. You can only order them by phone. It sucks. I might even call it sleazy. But I wouldn't let it deter me from signing up. :)

[innocentfreak]

And no, they don't have CableCards on their site. You can only order them by phone. It sucks. I might even call it sleazy. But I wouldn't let it deter me from signing up. :)

Of course in this case it costs you $60 dollars since you lose the discount for ordering online.

[sinanju]

Of course in this case it costs you $60 dollars since you lose the discount for ordering online.

You can negotiate that back. In fact, you can negotiate the price of the cards, too. Since any "deal closer" agreements can only be posted to your bill in $10 increments, they're actually paying me to take the cards.

[sweez]

I'm thinking of jumping in with a Tivo HD and FIOS. I live in NYC/Manhattan and FIOS just came to my area. Any successful and hassle-free installations with Mcards in the NYC area?

I can wait for the installation kinks to be worked out. I dont want to deal with clueless technicians and long customer support calls to order Mcards.

[NYHeel]

Of course in this case it costs you $60 dollars since you lose the discount for ordering online.
What I did was order online with set top boxes and then called to change the order to cable cards. The order is currently showing cablecards. I'll let you know how it goes after next Friday when I have my installation. I already have Fios internet. I didn't try to negotiate anything extra but I did get a $30 first month statement credit which was part of the deal. Could be only for current Fios internet customers.

[innocentfreak]

What I did was order online with set top boxes and then called to change the order to cable cards. The order is currently showing cablecards. I'll let you know how it goes after next Friday when I have my installation. I already have Fios internet. I didn't try to negotiate anything extra but I did get a $30 first month statement credit which was part of the deal. Could be only for current Fios internet customers.

yeah I see the 150 cash back and $30 off along with the $5 a month deal when I check my bundle options. Ugh this decision is driving me nuts. Its funny I went through this same thing when I switched to DTV. I found the 100 hour DTivos at the time for clearance at Sound Advice. I bought them and jumped from cable with series 2 to DTV. Of course it was a bigger jump 80 hours to 100 and single tuner to dual tuners. Now the jump isn't so big.

- Decrease in space since all of my Dtivos have 500gb drives and I only record SD. Obviously I could upgrade the drives but I would void warranty versus DTV where I had the protection plan for the two times I couldn't repair the units.
-Tivo fees will result in either no change in what I pay now or actually cost more since I pay 85 and 150 versus 175 or so plus Tivo subscriptions.
-Spoiled by having 4 boxes I can't imagine dropping to less.
-Need to build a server or buy one, which I need to do anyway for backups, to store Tivo shows freeing up space without needing to upgrade.
-initial cost of Tivos when I may get an even better deal through DTV when the new Tivos come out, of course many of the same issues apply since no details yet on the new box. Also I wouldn't have to upgrade all at once.
-the biggest probably I don't even have a HD set.

[mae]

I had my install yesterday, and it went very well.

Installation window was 8-12, and tech called about 8:45 and said he would be out at about 9:30. Arrived on that schedule, did a walk through of the job (phone switch from copper, CableCard for TiVo, one HD box, 1 SD box, 2 digital adapters, and their router). The tech had 11 years with VZ, and has been doing FIOS installs since the rollout. He had an M-Card and said that is all he has seen for the past few months. He installed the ONT, provisioned it, and connected it to the phone NID and the existing COAX coming from the Comcast grounding block. The main feed went to a 2 GHz 4-way splitter which he left in place. He had an automated field strength meter that he used to test all 4 runs and found them in spec, even the 28 year old RG59 run to the bedroom. He connected up the router and STBs, attached his laptop to the router and activated the boxes and CableCard. The CableCard activation screen gave him a countdown of about 15 minutes and at the end, we checked the TiVo and all channels (SD, HD, Premium) were coming in fine. The wireless adapter found the new router, I re-ran guided set up and after another 45 minutes or so everything was set, including changes to the Season Passes.

So far, no pixelation, and signal strengths on the TiVo range from 87 to 100 percent, with SNRs running from 35 to 37 db. The lower signal strengths can be attributed to the 4-way split in the basement and the 2-way at the TV. The ONT was newer model, an Alcatel (a little smaller than others I've seen), which the tech said was using a newer fiber protocol (for greater future bandwidth). This may also have had some effect on the overload issue. My variable attenuator is still in the package.

One final note on the router. It is an Actiontec, rev D which was flashed with the newest firmware by the installer. In some parts of the country, they are using either the Rev E or a Westell. Despite all of the issues I read about online, it seems fine and gives as good a signal around the house as my Linksys with a gain antenna. So at least for now, I'm using it for wireless. I have a NIM 100 from E-Bay, and at some point I'll try replacing the TiVo's wireless adapter.

So the fears about OCD installers wanting to rewire everything, the Actiontech router and pixelation were (so far at least) unfounded. I'll wait a few more days to be sure everything is stable, and head over to "Comcast Town" to turn in my equipment and tell them I'm moving out.

OK Rich, you're next!:D

[DCIFRTHS]

... He installed the ONT, The ONT was newer model, an Alcatel (a little smaller than others I've seen), which the tech said was using a newer fiber protocol (for greater future bandwidth). This may also have had some effect on the overload issue. My variable attenuator is still in the package. ...

Does this ONT also have an Ethernet jack if you didn't want to use MoCA for the internet?

Thanks!

[dresden69]

Does this ONT also have an Ethernet jack if you didn't want to use MoCA for the internet?

Thanks!

Yes... the ONT has an Ethernet port on it, you have to ask the tech to run Ethernet cable and not use Coax... a lot of techs are using Coax because it eases their install times... and when you are given 4 or 5 jobs a day... any 'shortcuts' are taken... So if you want Ethernet... make sure you ask for it...

Or you could take your Actiontec (Or Westtell in the West) and bridge it... there is an awesome document on how to do it on another website called dslreports.com under the FIOS section. This way you could use any router you wanted, just passing the ip address through the actiontec or westtell...

[DCIFRTHS]

Yes... the ONT has an Ethernet port on it, you have to ask the tech to run Ethernet cable and not use Coax... a lot of techs are using Coax because it eases their install times... and when you are given 4 or 5 jobs a day... any 'shortcuts' are taken... So if you want Ethernet... make sure you ask for it...

Or you could take your Actiontec (Or Westtell in the West) and bridge it... there is an awesome document on how to do it on another website called dslreports.com under the FIOS section. This way you could use any router you wanted, just passing the ip address through the actiontec or westtell...


I already have the Ethernet in place ;) I'm just waiting for Verizon to light up the building. Do you have the same ONT as mae?

Edit: My main concern is that they don't remove the Ethernet port form the newer ONTs. If mae would confirm this for me, I would appreciate it.

[dresden69]

I already have the Ethernet in place ;) I'm just waiting for Verizon to light up the building. Do you have the same ONT as mae?

Edit: My main concern is that they don't remove the Ethernet port form the newer ONTs. If mae would confirm this for me, I would appreciate it.

I have heard nothing about redesigning the ONT... I think that Verizon has finally gotten a stable ONT, that redesigning it now, would be a bad move... and I believe I have a 612 on the side of my house...

P.S - The tech is going to love that you have the Ethernet in place... :)

[richsadams]

OK Rich, you're next!:DD'oh! The pressure! :eek: :D