Upgrading Your Hacked HR10-250 to 6.3

[rbautch]

Well, it's official. Those of us with HR10-250's running painfully slow 3.1 software will finally get the upgrade to 6.3. The new release is being discussed here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315176) (thanks, Earl!). If you have a hacked HR10-250, and want to keep it hacked, here are a few options for you.

Option 1. Take the upgrade, let it overwrite your hacks, and then re-hack it at a later time. There's two things you need to do in preparation for the upgrade. The first is to edit your author file to remove the following lines: route add -host 204.176.49.2 gw 127.0.0.1
route add -net 204.176.49.0 gw 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Then type the following command at the bash prompt to modify your bootpage to allow the upgrade: bootpage -P "root=/dev/hdaX dsscon=true console=2,115200" /dev/hda where X is your root filesystem partition (either 4 or 7). Make sure you get this right or your Tivo won’t boot. After you get the upgrade, pull the drive and hack it.

Option 2. I prefer this option because you don’t have to pull the drive out of your Tivo, you don't need a phone line connected, and it's possible you'll get the upgrade sooner than you would otherwise. It involves doing a “slice upgrade” that installs the new software without disturbing your hacks. Previously this method was a little tedious, but a new DVRupgrade product called “The Slicer (http://www.dvrupgrade.com/dvr/stores/1/product1.cfm?Category_ID=5&Product_ID=369&ModelID=101&type=Model&page=prod)” does the job incredibly easily. Just FTP it to your Tivo and run it…that simple. There’s an article on it here (http://tivo.hobby-site.org/article/13324/).

To monitor your system for the arrival of 6.3 slices, see here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4358364&&#post4358364).
If you haven't gotten the slices yet, try running a script called add63.tcl by "hondafan".

Other upgrade notes:
1. If you get a message that says your account is closed, just re-run the guided setup. Users have reported that if you copy your entire /lib/modules folder from 3.1.5f to 6.3, it will also result in account closed status.
2. If you have audio problems, change the audio settings from "dolby digital" to "dolby digital to pcm".
3. Some parts of TWP do not work with 6.3, and could even cause your NPL not to work properly. I suggest not using any part of TWP that writes data to the Tivo, such as modifying season passes, etc., until it's worked out. Version 2.0 of Tivowebplus has fixed this problem, but many modules don't yet work with it.

[kimsan]

I'll go ahead and do an install with zipper install with my unit that arrives today and look into the Slicer as soon as the slices arrive.

Thanks for the interesting news :)

Well, it's official. Those of us with HR10-250's running painfully slow 3.1 software will finally get the upgrade to 6.3. The new release is being discussed here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315176) (thanks, Earl!). If you have a hacked HR10-250, and want to keep it hacked, here are a few options for you.

Option 1. Take the upgrade, let it overwrite your hacks, and then re-hack it at a later time. There's two things you need to do to make this happen. The first is to edit your author file to remove the following lines: route add -host 204.176.49.2 gw 127.0.0.1
route add -net 204.176.49.0 gw 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Then type the following command at the bash prompt to modify your bootpage to allow the upgrade: bootpage -P "root=/dev/hdaX dsscon=true console=2,115200" /dev/hda where X is your root filesystem partition (either 4 or 7). Make sure you get this right or your Tivo won’t boot.

Option 2. I prefer this option because you don’t have to pull the drive out of your Tivo, and you don't need a phone line connected. It involves doing a “slice upgrade” that installs the new software without disturbing your hacks. Previously this method was a little tedious, but a new PTVupgrade product called “The Slicer” should do the job easily. I say “should” because I have not yet tried it on my HR10-250. I did try it on my dad’s standalone, and it worked very well. Just FTP it to your Tivo and run it…that simple. There’s an article on it over on the “other forum” (the playground, not DDB).

Please post your experiences with upgrading your hacked HR10-250 here.

[kimsan]

BTW, got a link for "The Slicer"?

[gsr]

rbautch:

If we go with Option 1, am I correct in assuming the following:

1) If we currently have encryption off we can should still be able to watch previously recorded shows (as in shows that aren't encrypted) after 6.3 installs.

2) Shows recorded while we wait for the upgrade will still not be encrypted - the hacks are only disabled after 6.3 is installed.

3) Shows recorded after the upgrade will be encrypted until we get around to re-hacking the Tivo.

Now for a few questions about doing option 1:

1) We can safely edit the author file without removing the drive, correct?

2) The bootpage command requires removing the drive and booting with the PTV Upgrade disk (or other similar tool of choice), correct? If I'm wrong here and this can done without removing the drive, then I don't understand your comment at the start of Option 2 about removing the drive.

Thanks for the info - not sure which path I'll take yet. I currently have 1 hacked HR10-250 and 1 unhacked HR10-250.

No matter how we get there, it's nice to see that DTV is finally going to release this upgrade.

[rbautch]

Here (http://downloads.ptvupgrade.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=S2-SLICER&Category_Code=) is a link to the Slicer. The description has a link to the dvvrplayground article.

[rbautch]

1) If we currently have encryption off we should still be able to watch previously recorded shows (as in shows that aren't encrypted) after 6.3 installs. .True.


2) Shows recorded while we wait for the upgrade will still not be encrypted - the hacks are only disabled after 6.3 is installed.True.


3) Shows recorded after the upgrade will be encrypted until we get around to re-hacking the Tivo.True.


1) We can safely edit the author file without removing the drive, correct? Correct.


2) The bootpage command requires removing the drive and booting with the PTV Upgrade disk (or other similar tool of choice), correct? If I'm wrong here and this can done without removing the drive, then I don't understand your comment at the start of Option 2 about removing the drive.False. You don’t have to remove the drive to set the bootpage in preparation for the update, but you do have to remove it AFTER the update arrives in order to hack it.

[gsr]

False. You don’t have to remove the drive to set the bootpage in preparation for the update, but you do have to remove it AFTER the update arrives in order to hack it.

Ah - "installs the new software without disturbing your hacks" didn't sink in till now :). Assuming it does work with 6.3, I think I like Option 2 then.

[rbautch]

Ah - "installs the new software without disturbing your hacks" didn't sink in till now :). Assuming it does work with 6.3, I think I like Option 2 then.Nobody knows for sure if the existing hacks will work with 6.3, and PTVupgrade appears to marketing the Slicer as "bash access preserver" instead of a "hacks preserver". That's smart because they can't possibly predict what future software versions will hold. I suspect that most hacks will continue to work, except ones that are based on mods to tivoapp, like superpatch and bufferhack. That just means that you'll have to FTP a new superpatch to your tivo and run it...no biggie. When I ran it on a standalone, all hacks were preserved and worked fine. Used a new superpatch, and that was it.

[tnedator]

Nobody knows for sure if the existing hacks will work with 6.3, and PTVupgrade appears to marketing the Slicer as "bash access preserver" instead of a "hacks preserver". That's smart because they can't possibly predict what future software versions will hold. I suspect that most hacks will continue to work, except ones that are based on mods to tivoapp, like superpatch and bufferhack. That just means that you'll have to FTP a new superpatch to your tivo and run it...no biggie. When I ran it on a standalone, all hacks were preserved and worked fine. Used a new superpatch, and that was it.

How quickly will a new superpatch likely be available?

Second question.

I have an 10-250 I planned on upgrading to a new drive this weekend and zippering. Would I be better off waiting until after the upgrade is in place? One downside to waiting seems to be that while I wouldn't have to worry about slicing or any of those problems, it could take weeks or months after the new software is downloaded by the Tivo before it is actually installed.

[Lord Vader]

Option 2. I prefer this option because you don’t have to pull the drive out of your Tivo, you don't need a phone line connected, and it's possible you'll get the upgrade sooner than you would otherwise. It involves doing a “slice upgrade” that installs the new software without disturbing your hacks. Previously this method was a little tedious, but a new PTVupgrade product called “The Slicer” should do the job easily. I say “should” because I have not yet tried it on my HR10-250. I did try it on my dad’s standalone, and it worked very well. Just FTP it to your Tivo and run it…that simple. There’s an article on it over on the “other forum” (the playground, not DDB).

Please post your experiences with upgrading your hacked HR10-250 here.

Russ, regarding the Slicer and the article on the playground site, they explain that one needs to verify receipt of his unit's upgrade. If the phone line is not connected, the "upgrade" still comes down, so to speak, and "sits" in the TIVO waiting to be triggered, correct? We then use The Slicer to verify that 6.3 is sitting there, and when we see it, we proceed with Slicer, right?

Am I reading that correctly?

[rbautch]

Russ, regarding the Slicer and the article on the playground site, they explain that one needs to verify receipt of his unit's upgrade. If the phone line is not connected, the "upgrade" still comes down, so to speak, and "sits" in the TIVO waiting to be triggered, correct? We then use The Slicer to verify that 6.3 is sitting there, and when we see it, we proceed with Slicer, right?

Am I reading that correctly?Correct.

[cheer]

How quickly will a new superpatch likely be available?As quickly as someone can find the locations in tivoapp that need patching. It's more or less a community effort.
I have an 10-250 I planned on upgrading to a new drive this weekend and zippering. Would I be better off waiting until after the upgrade is in place? One downside to waiting seems to be that while I wouldn't have to worry about slicing or any of those problems, it could take weeks or months after the new software is downloaded by the Tivo before it is actually installed.
POSSIBLY weeks, although IIRC once 6.2 got past the initial sporadic appearance for a couple of weeks it exploded everywhere. No way should it take months.

Personally I'd go ahead and at least do the drive upgrade. You can Zipper too, with the understanding that if you do you won't install the update automatically (see the beginning of this thread).

[rrr22777]

Option 2.... you don't need a phone line connected

I like option 2 but how will it get the upgrade if I dont have the phone line connected?

[Runch Machine]

Quote: where X is your root filesystem partition (either 4 or 7). Make sure you get this right or your Tivo won’t boot. After you get the upgrade, pull the drive and hack it.

How do you tell which partition your Tivo is booted on?

[Lord Vader]

rrr, based on Russ's response to me above, the upgrade is sent down via the datastream and "waits" until a phone call triggers its activation. Absent a phone line, something like The Slicer would finish the upgrade for you.

[rbautch]

Quote: where X is your root filesystem partition (either 4 or 7). Make sure you get this right or your Tivo won’t boot. After you get the upgrade, pull the drive and hack it.

How do you tell which partition your Tivo is booted on?bootpage -p /dev/hda will tell you. Use a lower case p.

[Adam1115]

So I have an unhacked HR10. I upgraded my SD's from 4.01b to 6.2 using slices.. is this the same process? Anyone have directions? I don't have a land line...

[Lord Vader]

Correct.

One other thing: Is there a way to tell if we've actually received the upgrade, see that it's "sitting there," so we'd know we would then be able to do the Slicer upgrade? I was wondering if we could telnet into it or do something similar to see if the upgrade has been delivered, so to speak.

[tnedator]

One other thing: Is there a way to tell if we've actually received the upgrade, see that it's "sitting there," so we'd know we would then be able to do the Slicer upgrade? I was wondering if we could telnet into it or do something similar to see if the upgrade has been delivered, so to speak.

On the ************* page describing the slicer, it said you could determine it by going to MFS on TivoWebPlus (assuming you have it installed) and then into the "SWsystem" directory. There was another option to check from a bash prompt, but I don't remember it.

[Draven X. Byrne]

Would the general concensus be that we post in this thread for the arrival of the slices to upgrade using the slicer or start a new thread?

Perhaps keep this one open for success / failure reports on upgrading zippered HR10's?

What do you all think?

DXB

[Brillian1080p]

Ooh ooh this is exciting! Wait a minute, I need to get a life. Hold on I do other things. I vacuumed pulled weeds shopped for groceries. Did I say that out loud?

Man I'm in a mood tonight!

Thanks rbautch. I was reading the thread about the release and I came over here to ask you a question and you were already on top of it. Way cool. Since I'm new to hacking (Successful I might add because of you) my question was going to be about how the upgrade is handled by the smart ones. (you have to be smart to figure out who that is)

Let me pose a scenario. I get the update and even preserve my hacks according to directions. If some things don't work and need fixing (could be anything) I can just use either my virgin image or my backup and get right back to where I am now and wait until things are fixed.

In other words, should there be any worry letting it upgrade to 6.xx?

Thanks for all your work. I'm lovin' it.

[cheer]

On the ************* page describing the slicer, it said you could determine it by going to MFS on TivoWebPlus (assuming you have it installed) and then into the "SWsystem" directory. There was another option to check from a bash prompt, but I don't remember it.
echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh

[rbautch]

Let me pose a scenario. I get the update and even preserve my hacks according to directions. If some things don't work and need fixing (could be anything) I can just use either my virgin image or my backup and get right back to where I am now and wait until things are fixed.

In other words, should there be any worry letting it upgrade to 6.xx?

Thanks for all your work. I'm lovin' it.Can't go back using your virgin image, unless you dont mind all your hacks and recordings being overwritten. You could do a structured backup using mfstools, and use that just in case. Unless you're the first one to get the upgrade, there should be some good experience to draw on when you make the upgrade.

[Brillian1080p]

I guess I should have said back up any shows that are critical and after applying virgin image applying hacks again.

But you're right, by the time I'm ready next week, we'll have reports of the upgrade.

[BigBearf]

Russ and Gunny,
I have downloaded the slicer and used Fetch on my Mac to put the file in the hacks directory of 4 of my zippered HR10's. When the upgrade shows up in the SWmodule area, I will run ./slicer Version-number under a terminal telnet session and post the results.

BTW, I have checked all 4 of my HR10's and no new software yet here in Raleigh, NC
More to come,
BigBearf

[Lord Vader]

echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh

Chris,

I did this on one of my HDVR2s--yes, I know that's not getting 6.3, but I just wanted to check something--and here's what it reports:


4.0.1b-02-2-240 tyDb 413782 06/10/04 18:17 796
ACTIVE tyDb 413782 06/10/04 18:17 796


On the HR10-250, 3.1.5f shows where 4.0.1b-02-2-240 shows.

So, if 6.3 IS downloaded, where will it indicate this based on the above info?

[cheer]

On the HR10-250, 3.1.5f shows where 4.0.1b-02-2-240 shows.

So, if 6.3 IS downloaded, where will it indicate this based on the above info?
Either as an additional item in the list, or in place of the 3.1.5f in the list.

[Lord Vader]

OK, thanks.

[100Tbps]

If I recall correctly, the zipper script establishes a routine reboot schedule. Once the new 6.3 code is present and "ready-for-reboot" on the Tivo, it's not clear to me if an upgrade will succeed, fail, or brick the box.

In the absence of anyone knowing for sure until we start to see this in the field, is there a command line I can issue to stop the scheduled reboots for now so I can control the upgrade process? Ideally, I'd like to use the slicer utility to upgrade with more control and hopefully prevent opening the box again, but I'm more concerned about letting nature take its course and possibly bricking my Tivo by doing nothing.

Thanks for any advice!

[gsr]

If I recall correctly, the zipper script establishes a routine reboot schedule. Once the new 6.3 code is present and "ready-for-reboot" on the Tivo, it's not clear to me if an upgrade will succeed, fail, or brick the box.

In the absence of anyone knowing for sure until we start to see this in the field, is there a command line I can issue to stop the scheduled reboots for now so I can control the upgrade process? Ideally, I'd like to use the slicer utility to upgrade with more control and hopefully prevent opening the box again, but I'm more concerned about letting nature take its course and possibly bricking my Tivo by doing nothing.

Thanks for any advice!

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the Zipper disables the installation of upgrades regardless of reboots happening so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

[rbautch]

Correct. Even if you followed the steps in option 1 to enable the upgrade naturally, regular reboots shouldn't have any effect one way or another. Still, if you really want to eliminate the reboots, type "root" at bash to remove the lines in the crontab that cause the reboots.

[100Tbps]

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the Zipper disables the installation of upgrades regardless of reboots happening so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Correct. Even if you followed the steps in option 1 to enable the upgrade naturally, regular reboots shouldn't have any effect one way or another. Still, if you really want to eliminate the reboots, type "root" at bash to remove the lines in the crontab that cause the reboots.

Thanks guys!!

[rbautch]

Here is a script that will check your HR10-250 to see if 6.3 slices have arrived. If you have out2osd installed (which comes with the NCID callerID package in the Zipper), it will also flash a message on your tv screen. Run it without arguments to check for 6.3, or to check for a software version other than 6.3, use that software version as an argument. For example: sh check4slices.sh will check for 6.3, and sh check4slices.sh 3.1.5f will check for 3.1.5f. For unattended checking, you can append the following line to your crontab: */15 * * * * /path/to/check4slices.sh This will check for the slices every 15 minutes. Thanks to Cheer for coming up with this idea.

[rrr22777]

I used Ptvupgrade's instant cake to upgrade my HR10-250 and it disables the automatic upgrades. Will option 2 still work in this case?

[tivoupgrade]

I used Ptvupgrade's instant cake to upgrade my HR10-250 and it disables the automatic upgrades. Will option 2 still work in this case?

InstantCake does not disable upgrades, however if you are not plugging in your phone line that will disable them.

Are you sure you are not talking about PTVnet?

[rrr22777]

InstantCake does not disable upgrades, however if you are not plugging in your phone line that will disable them.

Are you sure you are not talking about PTVnet?

Yes sorry I used InstantCake as well as PTVnetHD. Will the upgrade be disabled? Can I use "The Slicer"?

[Lord Vader]

Originally Posted by gsr

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the Zipper disables the installation of upgrades regardless of reboots happening so I don't think you have anything to worry about.

So does that mean 6.3 won't even be downloaded period, or will it still sit on one's HR10 waiting to be manually triggered?

[gsr]

So does that mean 6.3 won't even be downloaded period, or will it still sit on one's HR10 waiting to be manually triggered?

It will still get downloaded, but won't install until you let it install.

[cheer]

So does that mean 6.3 won't even be downloaded period, or will it still sit on one's HR10 waiting to be manually triggered?
It'll sit on your HR10 waiting to be manually triggered.

[Lord Vader]

Sounds good.

[tall1]

Here (http://downloads.ptvupgrade.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=S2-SLICER&Category_Code=) is a link to the Slicer. The description has a link to the dvvrplayground article.Where did that name come from? (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3946311&&#post3946311) hmmm ;)

[tivoupgrade]

Where did that name come from? (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3946311&&#post3946311) hmmm ;)

With all due respect, I've never seen that post before. But arriving at the name was pretty obvious, given the approach of the application...

[charlestwaters]

I just got off the phone with a young lady named Ashley at D* customer installation support. Here is what I was told regarding the 6.3 upgrade, and the upgrade to the HR20.

The rollout of the 6.3 software will take place starting 9/12 and ending on 10/04. All you have to do is leave your TiVo plugged into a phone line, and there you go. What she said will happen is this...

*) The "Preferences" menu will have most commands removed and put to the "Settings" menu.

*) Favorites list will be defaulted, and will have every channel checked by default.
*) Channels you receive will also be defaulted, and will have all checked by default.
*) Banner duration displayed will be set to "Normal"
*) Parental Controls will come standard with a $10 spending limit.
*) Dolby Digital playback and record will be defaulted OFF, so you will have to turn them on.

And I know this isn't the thread about the HR20, but while I was on the same phone call, I was told this...

The HR20 is ONLY available through Best Buy retail and .com site (guess it's a good thing I am a BBY affiliate employee, huh!? :). They currently do *not* have a nationwide rollout, HOWEVER, if you call (888) 355-7530, and hit option "0" (zero) AFTER you purchase the box from BBY and activate it, they will give you a $200 credit on your account. You will also be upgraded at a $0 install charge to a 5-LNB dish if you do not already have one.

THE ONLY THING.. Is that the new receiver is a "Leased Equipment" receiver, which means that D* owns that equipment no matter where you buy it from. BBY, CCY, D*, etc. So it will require a 2 year contact, and if you leave after that two years is up, they send you a self addressed stamped box to return the recv'r into. And, it is covered for life under the insurance plan, and you would only have to pay $19.95 in order for them to send you a new box if your H20 dies, and you will not have to pay the "Insurance" monthly cost like you do for the HR10 box.

Anywayz, this is the info I was given on the phone approx. 20 minutes ago, and thought I would share it with everyone!

Hope it helps!

--- Goobz!

[Lord Vader]

*) The "Preferences" menu will have most commands removed and put to the "Settings" menu.

*) Favorites list will be defaulted, and will have every channel checked by default.
*) Channels you receive will also be defaulted, and will have all checked by default.
*) Banner duration displayed will be set to "Normal"
*) Parental Controls will come standard with a $10 spending limit.
*) Dolby Digital playback and record will be defaulted OFF, so you will have to turn them on.


This has been said several times already. Few are really interested that settings revert to default.

[JoeSchueller]

A request for noob advice:

I have a virgin HR10. Before the 6.3 announcement, I was planning on using the Zipper on a new drive and keeping the original as a backup.

Am I better off letting the 6.3 dust settle and wait for a new version of the Zipper, or should I get on my horse quickly, knock out a 6.2 upgrade w/ the Zipper and deal with how to get th 6.3 shortly after?

My thinking right now is to let the upgrade happen on my virgin drive so that my backup is at least a 6.3 drive. However, if it will be an extended period of time before we see simple-to-use hack packages (like Zipper) I may not want to wait.

Advice?

[cheer]

We have no idea how long it will take for a Zipper-type application (or even manual hacks). However, in the past these things haven't taken long. I'd let it take the update.

[tall1]

With all due respect, I've never seen that post before. But arriving at the name was pretty obvious, given the approach of the application...I agree. Just pulling your chain. Good luck with the new product.

[jasch]

I am not sure the slicer will work. I tried it, and I got a couple of errors and didn't want to risk it. Specifically problems with wget not resolving domain names. I am not sure why wget is needed, perhaps to get some information from dvrupgrade. Altough my HR10-250 has network connectivity, it has no internet access (no DNS resolver).

So I am doing the manual call in order to upgrade manually, and then I'll pull the drive.

[rbautch]

I am not sure the slicer will work. I tried it, and I got a couple of errors and didn't want to risk it. Specifically problems with wget not resolving domain names. I am not sure why wget is needed, perhaps to get some information from dvrupgrade. Altough my HR10-250 has network connectivity, it has no internet access (no DNS resolver).

So I am doing the manual call in order to upgrade manually, and then I'll pull the drive.I was successful in the tests I did with the slicer. Do you have a valid DNS? Can you wget other stuff?

[jasch]

I am a sad camper. I figured there was no logical explanation as to why the slicer needed wget to work, and decided to go ahead. At some point during the install I got an error. I decided to try with installSw.itcl instead, and got a similar error during process.

As a last resort, I plugged my phone line and made a call, waited for importing, and the rebooted. The upgraded didn't happen. I can only assume during the first or second method some kind of 'flag' was raised and it's not letting me do a 'normal' phone-call upgrade (since slicers modifies installSw.itcl, and it makes no backup copy of the original).

BTW, this is the error from installSw.itcl


symlink /install/dev/log
ERROR: Didn't find any device list files in /install/platform/utils/DeviceList/
while executing
"exec tivosh /var/utils//buildskeleton /install"
("eval" body line 1)
invoked from within
"eval exec tivosh $prefix/buildskeleton $installdir"
(file "/var/utils/updateroot" line 147)
child process exited abnormally
while executing
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages >&@ stdout"
(object "::inst" method "::Installer::installSoftware" body line 46)
invoked from within
"inst installSoftware $name $Inc::TC_INSTALL_DIR "
(file "./installSw.itcl" line 182)

[jasch]

I was successful in the tests I did with the slicer. Do you have a valid DNS? Can you wget other stuff?

I only have

ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.15 broadcast 192.168.0.255 netmask 255.255.255.0

On my author file.

I guess I am missing the gateway and DNS commands,

[rbautch]

On a manual slice upgrade, this line:
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages >&@ stdout" is usually edited to read like this:
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages $name >&@ stdout", which leads me to believe your file was never edited. Assuming the slicer uses sed to modify installSw.itcl, I guess it would fail if you didn't have sed. Do you have sed?

[jasch]

The Slicer - Version 1.0
We are about to install 6.3-01-2-357 software on your TiVo

Great! Here we go...

Your root filesystem partition is hda7
Your kernel partition is hda6
Your alternate root filesystem partition is hda4
Your alternate kernel partition is hda3

6.3-01-2-357 software slices are correctly loaded and ready to install.
wget: www.dvrupgrade.com: Host name lookup failure

Checking your system for required utilities...
find is present
wget is present
tar is present
sed is present
cut is present
All required binaries are present. Proceeding...

Editing installSw.itcl

Installing new software. This will take several minutes...
Path prefix is /var/utils/
Sha1hash passed for updatekernel
Sha1hash passed for checkkernel.tcl
Sha1hash passed for messagelib.tcl
Sha1hash passed for buildskeleton
Sha1hash passed for SwInstall.tcl
Sha1hash passed for builddev

Searching /etc/fstab for current root

Old root is on /dev/hda7, new one goes on /dev/hda4

Creating new filesystem on /dev/hda4

Mounting new root filesystem on /install

Installing module bin
Installing module etc
Installing module lib
Installing module prom
Installing module sbin
Installing module tvbin
Installing module tvlib
Installing module kernel
Building basic filesystem skeleton on /install

(lots of stuff removed)

ERROR: Didn't find any device list files in /install/platform/utils/DeviceList/
while executing
"exec tivosh /var/utils//buildskeleton /install"
("eval" body line 1)
invoked from within
"eval exec tivosh $prefix/buildskeleton $installdir"
(file "/var/utils/updateroot" line 147)
while executing
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages"
(object "::inst" method "::Installer::installSoftware" body line 46)
invoked from within
"inst installSoftware $name $Inc::TC_INSTALL_DIR "
(file "./installSw.itcl" line 182)

installSw.itcl failed to set up your new partitions. Please
to run /tvbin/installSw.itcl manually to pinpoint the error.
Also check to see if installSw.itcl was edited properly.
Since your bootpage was not flipped, you will not lose your
existing hacks if you reboot. Exiting now...

[rbautch]

Here is my instsallSw.itcl file, which has been edited properly. Try copying it to your tvbin directory, and run it with ./installSw.itcl 6.3-01-2-357

[jasch]

Well, I figured from your last post that I wouldn't hurt to edit my installSw.itcl and add $name.

The upgrade was succesful, and after reboot the unit is preparing for the service update.

Only one thing that was missing on my installSw.itcl file was >&@ stdout

I left it out anyway, and it did a silent install. I did move the kernel file and my author file before rebooting. I'll know in a a couple of minutes it I was lucky... going to hit to shower for now.

[toohip]

When you guys get some time can you verify if all of your old hacks are running good in 6.3?


and the most anticipated question.....Did they include MRV in the software?


Thanks

[jasch]

Needless to say, copy the kernel and scripts from 3.1.5 didn't work. I was in a hurry, and forgot since it's 6.x probably needed iptables modified also.

[rbautch]

Needless to say, copy the kernel and scripts from 3.1.5 didn't work. I was in a hurry, and forgot since it's 6.x probably needed iptables modified also.Does this mean you used a new kernel, not a killhdinitrd'd 3.1.5 kernel?

[jasch]

Well I copied the one I had on the active partition. It was already kill'ed

[cheer]

Yeah, you're going to need to rename netfilter and/or do the iptables fix.

[tivoupgrade]

I am a sad camper. I figured there was no logical explanation as to why the slicer needed wget to work, and decided to go ahead. At some point during the install I got an error. I decided to try with installSw.itcl instead, and got a similar error during process.

As a last resort, I plugged my phone line and made a call, waited for importing, and the rebooted. The upgraded didn't happen. I can only assume during the first or second method some kind of 'flag' was raised and it's not letting me do a 'normal' phone-call upgrade (since slicers modifies installSw.itcl, and it makes no backup copy of the original).

BTW, this is the error from installSw.itcl


symlink /install/dev/log
ERROR: Didn't find any device list files in /install/platform/utils/DeviceList/
while executing
"exec tivosh /var/utils//buildskeleton /install"
("eval" body line 1)
invoked from within
"eval exec tivosh $prefix/buildskeleton $installdir"
(file "/var/utils/updateroot" line 147)
child process exited abnormally
while executing
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages >&@ stdout"
(object "::inst" method "::Installer::installSoftware" body line 46)
invoked from within
"inst installSoftware $name $Inc::TC_INSTALL_DIR "
(file "./installSw.itcl" line 182)



We are going to make some updates to The Slicer to attempt to account for these things, as well as include some additional qualifications. I'll send you a link to the new version when its available. I'd recommend noone else purchase The Slicer until we've included these updates, however if you do, we'll send a link to all the "early adopters" when it becomes available.

[jasch]

Thank you. I already upgraded, but it would be nice to have an updated version.

I guess wget is needed to check for an updated version or script on your server?

[rrr22777]

We are going to make some updates to The Slicer to attempt to account for these things, as well as include some additional qualifications. I'll send you a link to the new version when its available. I'd recommend noone else purchase The Slicer until we've included these updates, however if you do, we'll send a link to all the "early adopters" when it becomes available.

Will the slicer maintain the network related hacks like tivowebplus, telnet and ftp?

[tivoupgrade]

Thank you. I already upgraded, but it would be nice to have an updated version.

I guess wget is needed to check for an updated version or script on your server?

Yes; that's pretty much it.

BTW, still waiting for slices here, when we get them we can do more testing and will let you know. If anyone has them, please PM me and I will happily barter a chit for The Slicer, and an updated InstantCake when it becomes available.

[tivoupgrade]

Will the slicer maintain the network related hacks like tivowebplus, telnet and ftp?

That is the intent of The Slicer; to preserve bash, telnet and ftp access. As for TiVoWebPlus, it will copy it from the active partition to the new one as part of the update process, however it may or may not work (in all likelihood, most of it might work, but some modules may need to be prepared, based upon the changes made in the update).

[jasch]

Renaming netfilter won't work, you have to modify iptables.

Hacks seems to work OK (tivowebplus. mfs_ftp, endpadplus)

[jasch]

BTW, still waiting for slices here, when we get them we can do more testing and will let you know. If anyone has them, please PM me and I will happily barter a chit for The Slicer, and an updated InstantCake when it becomes available.

Well, I already upgraded, but if there's a way to still get the slices from MFS, let me know and I'll share them.

[NYURDRMS]

I just tried the slicer and had the same error listed above. I just PMed you.

Chad

[WhyMe]

Has anybody that got it, checked for the mrv code yet? Thanks

[cheer]

Has anybody that got it, checked for the mrv code yet? Thanks
Not looking good.

[jasch]

The HMO code is in there, but it seems that MRV has been ommited.

On one hand I could see the conflicts of having MRV funcional, and trying to move HD content to a SD tivo... perhaps the needed code to handled this kind of conflicts was introduced until v8 (Series 3)

[rbautch]

Renaming netfilter won't work, you have to modify iptables.

Hacks seems to work OK (tivowebplus. mfs_ftp, endpadplus)Why not? I thought netfilter and iptables were two ways of accomplishing the same thing.

[cheer]

Why not? I thought netfilter and iptables were two ways of accomplishing the same thing.
Not necessarily. For example, renaming netfilter doesn't work on 7.x.

[jasch]

Why not? I thought netfilter and iptables were two ways of accomplishing the same thing.

I think it was possible on 7.1, but from 7.2+ it didn't work anymore.

[rrr22777]

On a manual slice upgrade, this line:
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages >&@ stdout" is usually edited to read like this:
"exec /var/utils/updateroot /dev/hda /install /var/packages $name >&@ stdout", which leads me to believe your file was never edited. Assuming the slicer uses sed to modify installSw.itcl, I guess it would fail if you didn't have sed. Do you have sed?

If we have the slices and use this method to do the upgrade will telnet, ftp stop working?

[gatorbait]

Sorry not terribly familiar with vi editor.

I have access to the /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit.author file and when I try to edit it with vi it tells me I am in read only mode. How do I get out of that to make the change.

Thanks

[steve90071]

mount -o remount,rw /

[gatorbait]

mount -o remount,rw /


Thank you. That takes it out of read only mode but I still can not edit it.

Is there anymore to it than vi filename

Thanks

[tnedator]

I was under the impression that it would come down via sattelite and eveyrone would get it at once, and then be activated via phone. How come some have it and some don't if that is the delivery method?

[Lee L]

Because they don't all get teh code to activate it at the same time and sometimes they might not even all download the SW at the same time.

[cheer]

If we have the slices and use this method to do the upgrade will telnet, ftp stop working?
If you don't do anything else, yes. You have to essentially re-hack. You can do this before rebooting, but it's a manual process.

[cheer]

Thank you. That takes it out of read only mode but I still can not edit it.
What do you mean by this? What happens when you try?

[steve90071]

gatorbate: Google for "vi linux editor commands". That should get you instructions for the commands that you use to edit a file using vi. Then, as long as the file you wish to edit is in your path, entering "vi filename" (no quotes) after the bash prompt will open the file in vi where, using the aforementioned commands, you can edit it and save your changes to the file and exit vi.

[bigray327]

Re-hacking is easy, but I hope PTVUpgrades gets their revised Slicer out quickly because I'm wicked busy and just want it to be done. If the weekend comes around and I have a spare 15 minutes, they'll be out my $20, though.

[gatorbait]

What do you mean by this? What happens when you try?


I did not know to hit "esc" dd to delete the line. :)

I do now.

Thanks

[tall1]

The HMO code is in there, but it seems that MRV has been ommited.

On one hand I could see the conflicts of having MRV funcional, and trying to move HD content to a SD tivo... perhaps the needed code to handled this kind of conflicts was introduced until v8 (Series 3)Will HMO provide tivoserver capabilty?

EDIT: Ok, after reading more carefully, MRV is part of HMO. I was confused and thought they were separate. Well this pretty much kills it for me. Anyone wanna trade 3 slightly used, slightly hacked HR10s for a S3? :(

[W2DHS]

Anyone know where to get an S2 version of sed? That seems to be all I am missing at this point.

[charlestwaters]

Here's what I have a ? about...

when running the Checkslices, how to I fix this...

out2osd binary could not be found
providing local output only...
Sorry, 6.3 slices have not yet arrived

[Lord Vader]

We are going to make some updates to The Slicer to attempt to account for these things, as well as include some additional qualifications. I'll send you a link to the new version when its available. I'd recommend noone else purchase The Slicer until we've included these updates, however if you do, we'll send a link to all the "early adopters" when it becomes available.

I purchased The Slicer last week. Am I able to get a free upgrade when your newer version comes out? If so, let me know if there's anything I need to do to get this revised edition.

[rbautch]

Here's what I have a ? about...

when running the Checkslices, how to I fix this...

out2osd binary could not be found
providing local output only...
Sorry, 6.3 slices have not yet arrivedout2osd gets installed with CallerID druing the normal run of tweak.sh. You must have selected "no" to callerID. You can either install out2osd manually, or run tweak.sh again and answer yes to the callerID install.

[cheer]

Anyone know where to get an S2 version of sed? That seems to be all I am missing at this point.
Busybox (a.k.a. tivotools.tar, a.k.a. AlphaWolf's All-In-One utilities) includes sed.

[aaronwt]

I just purchased slicer and then found this thread. It updated to 6.3 and now is rebooting. I'll find out in a few minutes if everythings ok and then I'll use it on my other two HR10-250s. Since it installed it without any errors I assume they already have the newer version.

[aaronwt]

hmm. It went back to the powering up screen for a second time.

[rrr22777]

I just purchased slicer and then found this thread. It updated to 6.3 and now is rebooting. I'll find out in a few minutes if everythings ok and then I'll use it on my other two HR10-250s. Since it installed it without any errors I assume they already have the newer version.

Thats the news I have been waiting for... pls update us if the reboot goes ok and the telnet, ftp is working.

[Lord Vader]

When did you purchase The Slicer? I ask because they literally just released an updated version that will work without errors for this upgrade.

[tivoupgrade]

When did you purchase The Slicer? I ask because they literally just released an updated version that will work without errors for this upgrade.

Literally just updated, with one correction: "supposed" to work without errors for this upgrade.

Anxiously awaiting your feedback and we'll try to fix any other problems.

[aaronwt]

When did you purchase The Slicer? I ask because they literally just released an updated version that will work without errors for this upgrade.

At 5:10pm but then I got another email at 5:29pm with another download link. I found the thread after I installed it. At least I didn't put it on my main tivos. It's in an endless powering up loop now.

[aaronwt]

Well I'm going to try it again on a second one and see if that works. I'll have to use instant cake and PTVnet on the first one and wait for the file to download again.

[W2DHS]

Busybox (a.k.a. tivotools.tar, a.k.a. AlphaWolf's All-In-One utilities) includes sed.

yeah - I have that, somehow 'Slicer' won't use it even though it's in my path.

sigh.

Thanks anyway.

[rbautch]

yeah - I have that, somehow 'Slicer' won't use it even though it's in my path.

sigh.

Thanks anyway.Do you get an error? How do you know it's not using it?

[Lord Vader]

Well I'm going to try it again on a second one and see if that works. I'll have to use instant cake and PTVnet on the first one and wait for the file to download again.


Let us know what the second downloaded file does. Hopefully your endless reboot loop isn't because of the updated Slicer.

[charlestwaters]

out2osd gets installed with CallerID druing the normal run of tweak.sh. You must have selected "no" to callerID. You can either install out2osd manually, or run tweak.sh again and answer yes to the callerID install.

I installed the callerID funtionallity with the tweak.sh. In fact, I have CallerID active on both my HR10-250's! I will install it again.

[Lord Vader]

Literally just updated, with one correction: "supposed" to work without errors for this upgrade.

Anxiously awaiting your feedback and we'll try to fix any other problems.

Cool. I'm away from my HR10-250 right now, so others who use this will have to comment first.

BTW, I'm assuming that Instantcake for 6.3 on the HR10-250s will be available. Would this be correct? This would be a plus for those who obviously wish to use 6.3 in its entirety on virgin images, for example.

[tivoupgrade]

note: If you used an earlier version of The Slicer and got errors, you may have a problem with the new version being able to deal with installSw.itcl. If that ends up being the case, try ftp'ing this to your unit and then run the slicer again.

thx to rbautch for posting this earlier...

[aaronwt]

Well the second box is going better. At least now it's at a screen that says preparing the service update. I wish I would have found this thread a little earlier. At least Instant cake and PTVupgrade makes it easy.

[Howie]

Literally just updated, with one correction: "supposed" to work without errors for this upgrade.

Anxiously awaiting your feedback and we'll try to fix any other problems.

If someone had recently bought an already hacked hard drive from you guys (app. within the last month), would that someone be able to download the slicer as a freebee? :D

[rbautch]

Well I'm going to try it again on a second one and see if that works. I'll have to use instant cake and PTVnet on the first one and wait for the file to download again.A rebooting tivo sounds like your kernel didn't get properly copied to the new partition. When I run it, I get a "kernel copied successfully!" right after the new software installation. Look for that same message when you run it again.

[Lord Vader]

note: If you used an earlier version of The Slicer and got errors, you may have a problem with the new version being able to deal with installSw.itcl. If that ends up being the case, try ftp'ing this to your unit and then run the slicer again.

thx to rbautch for posting this earlier...

I hadn't used the older version yet, but with the newer version just released this afternoon, will this Installsw file need to be ftp'd?

[charlestwaters]

I installed the callerID funtionallity with the tweak.sh. In fact, I have CallerID active on both my HR10-250's! I will install it again.


out2osd gets installed with CallerID druing the normal run of tweak.sh. You must have selected "no" to callerID. You can either install out2osd manually, or run tweak.sh again and answer yes to the callerID install.

I just reinstalled the Tweak.sh onto my bedroom HR10, and answered yes to all the questions this time. Didn't answer one as no, and still end up having the same thing once I run the check4slices.sh program. "Out2osd Binary not found".

[aaronwt]

Well the second unit did install 6.3 but now it looks like it's not running TiVoWeb since I can't access the box or telnet in. I'll try rebooting it again to see what that does.

[rbautch]

yeah - I have that, somehow 'Slicer' won't use it even though it's in my path.

sigh.

Thanks anyway.
Here (www.mastersav.com/tivo_tweak/sed) is a sed binary. Stick it somewhere in your PATH.

[rbautch]

I just reinstalled the Tweak.sh onto my bedroom HR10, and answered yes to all the questions this time. Didn't answer one as no, and still end up having the same thing once I run the check4slices.sh program. "Out2osd Binary not found".See if you can find it with find / -name out2osd

[rbautch]

Well the second unit did install 6.3 but now it looks like it's not running TiVoWeb since I can't access the box or telnet in. I'll try rebooting it again to see what that does.With 3.1.5, network parameters were set in the author file. Did your author file get copied over to the new partition? Do you get a link light?

[aaronwt]

I don't have a link light!

[W2DHS]

Here (www.mastersav.com/tivo_tweak/sed) is a sed binary. Stick it somewhere in your PATH.

Awesome, thanks!

[rbautch]

I don't have a link light!Two possibilities. One is that your author file didn't get copied over, and the other is that 6.3 does not have the drivers to support your adapter. You can check both of these by mounting your drive in a PC and poking around.

[rbautch]

As Jamie noted on DDB, 6.3 lacks a particular driver that will cause dhcp to break if you continue to use the 3.1.5 kernel. So if you're doing a slice upgrade, make sure you have a static IP address configured in your author file. It should look something like this:
ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0
route add default gw 192.168.1.1Then set your network parameters in MFS once you're up and running with 6.3.

[rrr22777]

As Jamie noted on DDB, 6.3 lacks a particular driver that will cause dhcp to break if you continue to use the 3.1.5 kernel. So if you're doing a slice upgrade, make sure you have a static IP address configured in your author file. It should look something like this:
ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.102 netmask 255.255.255.0
route add default gw 192.168.1.1Then set your network parameters in MFS once you're up and running with 6.3.

Just to clarify... so I would use the Slicer, make sure I am using static IP and then reboot. After the reboot telnet in and use your network-en.tcl (rbautch_files.tgz) script right?

[klaroby]

I received the following error when running slicer:

Copying your hacked kernel to the new boot partition...
dd: /dev/hda3: No space left on device
4097+0 records in
4096+0 records out
Kernel copy failed! Before you reboot, manually copy your
hacked kernel to the new boot partition.


What command do I use to copy the hacked kernel to the new partition?

[aaronwt]

Well alot of good that does me now. I used slicer to avoid opening up my boxes with dual drives. Now I'm going to have to open them anyway. I guess that was a big waste of $20!

[jasch]

In all fairness to Russ, you didn't pay him the $20. The Slicer was just one suggestion to possible avoid having to open the unit and pull the drive. And we are in 'uncharted' territory here, since were are the first ones trying this update method on a HR10-250. While it might work flawlesly on other models (from 7.1 to 7.2, from 7.2 to 7.3, etc) there has not been an upgrade to the HR10 in years.

[aaronwt]

It's just a little frustrating. I need to find out what I need to do activate the ethernet ports, or wait for a PTVnet disc for 6.3.

[jasch]

Without pulling the drive it will be a little difficult...

[tivoupgrade]

Just to clarify... so I would use the Slicer, make sure I am using static IP and then reboot. After the reboot telnet in and use your network-en.tcl (rbautch_files.tgz) script right?

I'd also recommend using a serial cable, in case you lose network connectivity altogether.

I'll look into providing the necessary DHCP modules in an update (af_packet.o is a key one) to see if we can keep DHCP-enabled systems intact.

[wasdvd]

I just used the ( I think) most recent Slicer to try to update my hacked 3.1.5f.

There were no errors in running Slicer, and most if not all of the hack directories were copied, none with errors. The kernel was copied with no error.. I already had all the utilities installed (find, sed etc).

HOWEVER, I am now in a reboot loop: Powering up---> DirectTV almost there for about a minute, then complete reboot.

Any suggestions?

[klaroby]

Can anyone help?
I received the following error when running slicer:

Copying your hacked kernel to the new boot partition...
dd: /dev/hda3: No space left on device
4097+0 records in
4096+0 records out
Kernel copy failed! Before you reboot, manually copy your
hacked kernel to the new boot partition.


What command do I use to copy the hacked kernel to the new partition?

[tivoupgrade]

ok - still looks like there are a few problems here and there. here's what i'd recommend - if you are experimenting with the slicer in this context, don't reboot your units unless you are absolutely sure of the implications - and at a minimum, make sure you have a serial cable so you can provide some output and still get to your unit.

as a previous poster indicated, we are in uncharted territory here. i am scrambling to get my hands on the slices myself so i can fully replicate what you guys are going through in the 6.3 transition - but right now, its the blind the blind.

i appreciate that folks are being patient and willing to try things out here - i don't want to misrepresent anything and create a situation where folks are unwittingly turning their units into boat anchors, so please, tread lightly.

in the meantime, we'll try to get things smoothed out, provide updates to those who have already purchased the product, and once we have a clear "best practices statement" we'll post it hear.

russ - thx for helping to champion this - i've been using the tool internally to 'switch' between 6.2 versions on a development box, but have not used it in a major software upgrade scenario yet, so this is an interesting set of tests...

[Tivogre]

I too got the message about unable to copy the kernel.

I have not re-booted.

If there is a command to manually copy the kernel, I'm willing to try it out.

Anything I should do at this point to keep my box "safe" from a reboot until the bug is worked out?

Why wouldn't the hacked boxes that take the update "naturally" have issues? I doubt the "natural" process does a kernelcopy.

[aaronwt]

I just used the ( I think) most recent Slicer to try to update my hacked 3.1.5f.

There were no errors in running Slicer, and most if not all of the hack directories were copied, none with errors. The kernel was copied with no error.. I already had all the utilities installed (find, sed etc).

HOWEVER, I am now in a reboot loop: Powering up---> DirectTV almost there for about a minute, then complete reboot.

Any suggestions?

This happened with my first box with the old version of slicer. An endless reboot loop like yours. I used the new version in my other two boxes and it did load 6.3 but the ethernet adapter isn't powered now. For my first box I ran instant cake and PTVnet again on it and I'll have to wait for it to download 6.3 again tonight.

[cheer]

Why wouldn't the hacked boxes that take the update "naturally" have issues? I doubt the "natural" process does a kernelcopy.
Because the natural upgrade process doesn't install a compromised kernel to allow for hacking. :)

[rbautch]

Can anyone help?
I received the following error when running slicer:

Copying your hacked kernel to the new boot partition...
dd: /dev/hda3: No space left on device
4097+0 records in
4096+0 records out
Kernel copy failed! Before you reboot, manually copy your
hacked kernel to the new boot partition.


What command do I use to copy the hacked kernel to the new partition?use EITHER this: dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6 or this: dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/dev/hda3 to copy your running kernel to the new partion. The first value (3 or 6) is your current kernel partition, and the second value (3 or 6) is the new kernel partition.

[cheer]

Well alot of good that does me now. I used slicer to avoid opening up my boxes with dual drives. Now I'm going to have to open them anyway. I guess that was a big waste of $20!
Just a tip...if you're not willing to take some real risk and/or do some troubleshooting on your own, then perhaps the first day a new release comes out is not the day to try and upgrade. Otherwise, things like this happen.

[Tivogre]

OK. I tried this:

dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6

and got this:

dd: /dev/hda6: No space left on device

Very similar to the symptom in the slicer itself.

[gsr]

Going back to the first post in this thread which presented options of letting the HD Tivo take the upgrade (Option 1) or using the Slicer (Option 2), is this a decision that has to be made before the slices are present on the Tivo or can we opt for Option 1 at any time (including after the slices have been downloaded onto the Tivo)?

I suspect the issues with the Slicer will be resolved soon enough and those of us who decide to wait a bit won't have much to worry about, but if the Zipper is updated to handle 6.3 before the Slicer is fixed (for example), it would be nice to be able to make a decision at that point to go with Option 1.

I also get the feeling that going with Option 1 might leave us with a cleaner slate to start with if the hacks for 6.3 differ more than a small amount.

[rbautch]

OK. I tried this:

dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6

and got this:

dd: /dev/hda6: No space left on device

Very similar to the symptom in the slicer itself.Try 2 things. First specify the block size, like this:dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6 bs=1024If that doesn't work, try to zero out the target partition with this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc6Then try to copy the kernel again.

[klaroby]

OK. I tried this:

dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6

and got this:

dd: /dev/hda6: No space left on device

Very similar to the symptom in the slicer itself.


I also got the same result "no space left on device"

[rbautch]

Going back to the first post in this thread which presented options of letting the HD Tivo take the upgrade (Option 1) or using the Slicer (Option 2), is this a decision that has to be made before the slices are present on the Tivo or can we opt for Option 1 at any time (including after the slices have been downloaded onto the Tivo)?

I suspect the issues with the Slicer will be resolved soon enough and those of us who decide to wait a bit won't have much to worry about, but if the Zipper is updated to handle 6.3 before the Slicer is fixed (for example), it would be nice to be able to make a decision at that point to go with Option 1.

I also get the feeling that going with Option 1 might leave us with a cleaner slate to start with if the hacks for 6.3 differ more than a small amount.I like the slice method because theoretically, you won't have to pull the drive. I'm going to hold off quite awhile on releasing a Zipper for 6.3 until things have settled down, and we know more about which hacks work and which don't. If you're not the adventurous type, you might choose option 1 and just live with an unhacked tivo for a few months.

[Tivogre]

dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6 bs=1024

Had the same result.

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdc6

ALSO had the same result:

dd: /dev/hda6: No space left on device

Is this some type of permission problem for the copy?

[mchahn]

Has anyone had success with slicer and 6.3 yet? If so, what procedure did you use.

I've got my 6.3 file sitting there and I'm itching to try it out.

[Tivogre]

If I can't get around the kernel copy issue, is there a way to "un-slicer" the unit... or have I passed the point of no return?

:D

[rbautch]

If I can't get around the kernel copy issue, is there a way to "un-slicer" the unit... or have I passed the point of no return?

:DYour tivo will still run 6.3 if it reboots, it just wont be hacked.

[Tivogre]

Hmmmm.... someone earlier complained about a "reboot loop".

It wouldn't be the end of the world to just be un hacked.

I'd still like to (help) figure out the copy problem.

Any other suggestions?

[Lord Vader]

Your tivo will still run 6.3 if it reboots, it just wont be hacked.

What about those who ran the earlier version of The Slicer but added the Installsw file? Were they ultimately successful, and were their hacks still present?

[rrr22777]

Here is my log file... it is rebooting right now.

bash-2.02# ./slicer 6.3-01-2-357

The Slicer - Version 1.1
We are about to install 6.3-01-2-357 software on your TiVo
Hit <enter> to continue, or <cntrl-c> to exit:

Great! Here we go...

Your root filesystem partition is hda7
Your kernel partition is hda6
Your alternate root filesystem partition is hda4
Your alternate kernel partition is hda3

6.3-01-2-357 software slices are correctly loaded and ready to install.
Hit <enter> to continue, or <cntrl-c> to exit:

Checking your system for required utilities...
find is present
wget is present
tar is present
sed is present
cut is present
All required binaries are present. Proceeding...

Editing installSw.itcl

Installing new software. This will take several minutes...

installSw.itcl ran successfully, and set up your new partitions.
Please note the following:
Your new root filesystem partition is 4
Your new kernel partition is 3

Hit <enter> to continue, or <cntrl-c> to exit:Copying your hacked kernel to the new boot partition...
4096+0 records in
4096+0 records out
kernel copied successfully!


Mounting your new root filesystem /dev/hda4 now...
New filesystem mounted successfully!

Disabling netfilter...
Creating dummy iptables...

Copying your existing hacks to the new root partition...
Copying author file...
Copying Tivowebplus from /ptvupgrade/tivowebplus
Copying your ptvupgrade directory
Copying the contents of /var/hack
Copying your init directory from /init
Copying /var/spool
Copying /test.conf
Copying all files in root non-recursively

6.3-01-2-357 installation is complete!!

IMPORTANT!! Please review the above list of hacks that were
copied to your new root partition. If you have any hacks that
were not copied, enter <cntrl-c> to exit and copy them manually
to the corresponding location in the /install directory. Otherwise
hit <enter> to reboot your TiVo and start using your new software.

[rbautch]

Hmmmm.... someone earlier complained about a "reboot loop".

It wouldn't be the end of the world to just be un hacked.

I'd still like to (help) figure out the copy problem.

Any other suggestions? I'll do some digging.

[rrr22777]

How long does the "Preparing the service update" take?

Edit: to add answer :-) about 15 minutes

[aaronwt]

around 10 to 15 minutes

[Tivogre]

OK. Here's what I tried...

cd /dev
cp hda6 hda6.old
dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6

I got:

8192+0 reords in
8192+0 records out

Since there was no apparent error, and I now have BOTH an hda6 and an hda6.old, should I presume that the new hda is VALID?

[klaroby]

OK. Here's what I tried...

cd /dev
cp hda6 hda6.old
dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/dev/hda6

I got:

8192+0 reords in
8192+0 records out

Since there was no apparent error, and I now have BOTH an hda6 and an hda6.old, should I presume that the new hda is VALID?


Looks like the number of records is wrong.

[rrr22777]

OK no problems with the Slicer except networking. Complete process takes about 30 minutes.

[wasdvd]

The number of records I got was 8192 also. How would I know if this was the right/wrong number of records?

My result is reboot loop, though.

[rrr22777]

The number of records I got was 8192 also. How would I know if this was the right/wrong number of records?

My result is reboot loop, though.

Mine was 4096

[jjn]

Just a tip...if you're not willing to take some real risk and/or do some troubleshooting on your own, then perhaps the first day a new release comes out is not the day to try and upgrade. Otherwise, things like this happen.

But that what makes it fun :cool:

[cheer]

The number of records I got was 8192 also. How would I know if this was the right/wrong number of records?

My result is reboot loop, though.
Uh, I don't think you can just rename a partition devicename like that. It's not like it was just a file or something.

[cheer]

But that what makes it fun :cool:
For you and I perhaps. Not so for the guy complaining about wasting $20 on the slicer.

[cheer]

Sigh. My serial cable is bad. I can see what the Tivo outputs, but I can't type, and shorting rx/tx on the cable doesn't let me see what I type, so...since my networking doesn't work, I'm gonna have to pull the drive. Stupid thing...I've never had to actually use serial bash before. :)

Too late for drive-pulling, so the fun continues tomorrow.

By the way, anyone else having trouble doing a DNS resolve for ddb?

[jjn]

For you and I perhaps. Not so for the guy complaining about wasting $20 on the slicer.

True, but hopefully they wil make it right.
I'm still waiting for my upgrade for my 2 HR10-250.
Area code 95006

[TriscuiT]

By the way, anyone else having trouble doing a DNS resolve for ddb?

Affirmative.

Edit: doggone spelling. Couldn't spell a single word correctly.

[tivoupgrade]

OK, for those of you who are attempting to use The Slicer on drives that were modded using PTVnet, who has a serial port?

I'm curious what is happening with the DHCP stuff.

There should be a file in /init (011_usb.init) that gets copied over to the new active partition and these are its contents:


#!/bin/bash

export DVR_DIR="/ptvupgrade/modules/usb20/2.4.20/current"

if ! [ -f /init/ptv_flags/USB2_ACTIVE ]; then
/ptvupgrade/bin/rootwrite
cd /lib/modules
rm -rf usbcore.o usb-ohci.o ehci-hcd.o usbnet.o ax8817x.o
cp -f $DVR_DIR/* .
touch /init/ptv_flags/USB2_ACTIVE
rootread
fi

/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/usbcore.o log2_irq_thresh=4
/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/ehci-hcd.o
/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/usbnet.o
/sbin/insmod /lib/modules/af_packet.o


If you've rebooted into 6.3 and now have a serial console, but no networking under DHCP, you might want to manually try loading each of the modules. If for some reason, they weren't automatically shoved into your /lib/modules directory (they should have been, as that is based upon the USB2_ACTIVE flag in /init/ptv_flags), you can always drag them out of the /ptvupgrade/modules/usb20/2.4.20/current folder.

Also, your rc.sysinit.author file, combined with the dhcp helper apps that live in /ptvupgrade/etc should also be intact...

Again, as I don't have a 6.3 system to try this out on, you'll have to forge ahead without me until I get my update...

[rrr22777]

OK, for those of you who are attempting to use The Slicer on drives that were modded using PTVnet, who has a serial port?

I'm curious what is happening with the DHCP stuff.
...

I was using static IP and still the networking does not work. Rest of the upgrade went fine. The light on the adapter is not on. It is a wired Linksys adapter (200M)

Dont have the serial cable.. just ordered should be here monday.

[cheer]

The light on the adapter is not on. It is a wired Linksys adapter (200M)V1 or V2? I have a V1 and the light is definitely on and it even pings VERY briefly. I expect yours is a V2, which probably isn't supported by the stock drivers.

[cheer]

I'm curious what is happening with the DHCP stuff.
Hey Lou, Jamie mentioned over at you-know-where that 6.3 seems to be similar to 7.x, in that DHCP is broken with the 3.1.5 kernel, and he speculated that the 7.2.2 kernel would probably sort that out (as it does for standalones running 7.x).

You probably know this already, but just in case I figured I'd mention it.

[TriscuiT]

Sigh. My serial cable is bad. I can see what the Tivo outputs, but I can't type, and shorting rx/tx on the cable doesn't let me see what I type, so...since my networking doesn't work, I'm gonna have to pull the drive. Stupid thing...I've never had to actually use serial bash before. :)


If you've never used the serial bash before then perhaps it isn't set up correctly. You say that you can see what the TiVo is sending but that you cannot see what you are typing. This is off the top of my head, so it may not be quite right, but try typing:
ttyS0 sane

This is assuming that serial bash is on ttyS0. "sane" will make sure that it is set to echo. Just a suggestion. No guarantees :)

[tivoupgrade]

Hey Lou, Jamie mentioned over at you-know-where that 6.3 seems to be similar to 7.x, in that DHCP is broken with the 3.1.5 kernel, and he speculated that the 7.2.2 kernel would probably sort that out (as it does for standalones running 7.x).

You probably know this already, but just in case I figured I'd mention it.

Yeah, as of about 2 minutes before I read this post, I knew it. so much for staying ahead of the pack!

Well I'm hoping I can catch the slices tonight and get on things a bit more tomorrow.

I'm glad at least The Slicer seems to be preserving bash at the serial port for now. We'll try to make some progress in the next few days and post an update that should make things easier for folks with 6.3/DHCP as soon as possible.

[rrr22777]

V1 or V2? I have a V1 and the light is definitely on and it even pings VERY briefly. I expect yours is a V2, which probably isn't supported by the stock drivers.

I have a V1. Even tried rebooting but no light or ping response.

[aaronwt]

For you and I perhaps. Not so for the guy complaining about wasting $20 on the slicer.

I was a little frustrated. I'm sure I'll still get a new PTVnet disc when they are available for version 6.3
For now I just won't have network access. I was hoping HMO would be included but apparently it's not. But at least the 6.3 is working fine on two boxes and the third should download it tonight since I had to reimage the drive.
this is just getting very close to the start of the new season and I don't like to mess with the TiVos during the normal viewing season in case I have some problems.

[cheer]

If you've never used the serial bash before then perhaps it isn't set up correctly. You say that you can see what the TiVo is sending but that you cannot see what you are typing. This is off the top of my head, so it may not be quite right, but try typing:
ttyS0 sane

This is assuming that serial bash is on ttyS0. "sane" will make sure that it is set to echo. Just a suggestion. No guarantees :)
Thanks -- no, didn't work. And I see the bash prompt come up during the boot process as it hits my .author file, but even doing an ls -l <enter> produces nothing. Alas.

[Runch Machine]

If one uses the slicer to retain the hacks, does the caller ID NCID software still work or are the only hacks that are retained involve bash and system access?

[rbautch]

I'm guessing most hacks, including NCID, will still work after the slicer copies them to your new partition.

[jasch]

Thanks -- no, didn't work. And I see the bash prompt come up during the boot process as it hits my .author file, but even doing an ls -l <enter> produces nothing. Alas.

Well, ls is not part of any default tivo instalation. Unless you copied busybox or something to your new partition, you will have no ls support.

I actually forgot this too, so I had to mount my old partition on the /mnt and copied busybox from there.

[klaroby]

I also had 8192 records. I finally gave up and used a ptv upgrade disk to copy a new kernel to the boot partition. I rebooted and the update works fine. Like everyone else though, I lost telnet and ftp so I am not sure whether I lost my hacks or not. 30 second skip does not work. Does that mean that I lost my hacks?

[petejones1]

Just a tip...if you're not willing to take some real risk and/or do some troubleshooting on your own, then perhaps the first day a new release comes out is not the day to try and upgrade. Otherwise, things like this happen.
Here, here, Heer! Most of the noobs (like in poker, if you don't know who it is, it is you) should let these knowledgable folks work it out and quit wasting their time. Rbautch and Lou have forgotten more than these noobs will ever know!

[tivoupgrade]

Here, here, Heer! Most of the noobs (like in poker, if you don't know who it is, it is you) should let these knowledgable folks work it out and quit wasting their time. Rbautch and Lou have forgotten more than these noobs will ever know!

Having just turned 40, I think I may have just forgotten what I had for lunch yesterday, too.

We'll get there and we'll keep the early adopters happy. I hope!

Lou

[sschwart]

Well, I did my slice manually, and tried to be clever by copying in hacks and my rc.sysinit.author... Guess I'm not that clever. 6.3 is working perfectly, but my hacks are all gone.

I'll just have to wait for the 6.3 hacks to be readied...But 6.3 is nice :)

[jjn]

40....
Now thats OLD :)
Hope my 2 HR10-250 get the upgrade tonight

[cheer]

Well, ls is not part of any default tivo instalation. Unless you copied busybox or something to your new partition, you will have no ls support.

I actually forgot this too, so I had to mount my old partition on the /mnt and copied busybox from there.
No, I was prepared for that. Installed busybox before rebooting. Just not prepared for the cable thing. (And anyway, if busybox was absent, I'd at least expect the error message...)

[cheer]

40....
Now thats OLD :)
Hope my 2 HR20-250 get the upgrade tonight
As someone who turns 41 in five days, I sincerely hope your HR10-250s (I presume you didn't mean HR20) do NOT get the update until the very last day. :p

[Lord Vader]

Gosh, what is it with all of us 40-year-olds all of a sudden? :D

[cheer]

Gosh, what is it with all of us 40-year-olds all of a sudden? :D
Ssssshhh!

Our glorious leader (http://imdb.com/name/nm0001002/) says the time isn't quite right. You'll get a memo (as will all 40 year olds) through the standard channels.

[Lord Vader]

Egads! HE'S 40 years old?!?

(Bastard looks good for his age!)

[cheer]

Egads! HE'S 40 years old?!?

(Bastard looks good for his age!)
He wasn't made our leader because he's a scientific genius, you know.

[Tivogre]

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.....

Some good news, and some bad news...

I went ahead and deleted the hda6 file I created, and renamed the .old file back.

I proceeded to reboot and...

SUCCESSFULLY booted into 6.3.

I did get my "fakecall successful" during the boot process.

HOWEVER, my local OTA channels were not populated. No big deal... I just re-scanned.

My local guide data is blank (scheduled programming). No big deal (I assume) it will re-load.

I have no network connectivity or caller ID.

Verified version 6.3 in system information.

BAD THINGS...

My account status says "Account closed... call DIRECTV"

My DVR Service says "inactive".

I can't initiate any recordings.

Trying to press record in live TV gives me a pop-up that I need to activate DVR service.

I also can't go into any of the "Pick Program to record" options. There's a black banner message at the bottom of the screen that says "acquiring satellite info, pick programs to record will be available in about 30 minutes".... but it's been an hour already.

I hope nothing is screwed up TOO badly.

I can always re-image and zipper if need be.

[rbautch]

I also had 8192 records. I finally gave up and used a ptv upgrade disk to copy a new kernel to the boot partition. I rebooted and the update works fine. Like everyone else though, I lost telnet and ftp so I am not sure whether I lost my hacks or not. 30 second skip does not work. Does that mean that I lost my hacks?Losing 30-sec skip is expected because you have a new tivoapp now (can't reuse your old patched tivoapp). Since the slicer halted before it had a chance to copy your files over to the new partition, your hacks are probably still sitting on the other partition. If you pull the drive you can mount both partitions and copy them over, especially your author file. If you try this, you might also delete any insmod commands from your author file or elsewhere to see if that brings back network access.

[rrr22777]

I also had 8192 records. I finally gave up and used a ptv upgrade disk to copy a new kernel to the boot partition. I rebooted and the update works fine. Like everyone else though, I lost telnet and ftp so I am not sure whether I lost my hacks or not. 30 second skip does not work. Does that mean that I lost my hacks?

I had a Instantcake and PTVNet unit on which I used Slicer. 30 second skip works fine after I did the remote codes.

[jjn]

As someone who turns 41 in five days, I sincerely hope your HR10-250s (I presume you didn't mean HR20) do NOT get the update until the very last day. :p

My Bad ;)
Must have had a Senior Moment. :D

2= HR10-250 waiting to be upgraded... :)

[A.C.]

I just tried to do a manual upgrade per the instructions in the howto that's over in the yahoo forum. I starts off good, but then hangs with the following message:

Initializing First Activation Date

I have to break out, and then reboot for things to get back to normal. The upgrade doesn't take. Anyone have an idea why it's doing this?

[pdawg17]

Well, it's official. Those of us with HR10-250's running painfully slow 3.1 software will finally get the upgrade to 6.3. The new release is being discussed here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315176) (thanks, Earl!). If you have a hacked HR10-250, and want to keep it hacked, here are a few options for you.

Option 1. Take the upgrade, let it overwrite your hacks, and then re-hack it at a later time. There's two things you need to do in preparation for the upgrade. The first is to edit your author file to remove the following lines: route add -host 204.176.49.2 gw 127.0.0.1
route add -net 204.176.49.0 gw 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 Then type the following command at the bash prompt to modify your bootpage to allow the upgrade: bootpage -P "root=/dev/hdaX dsscon=true console=2,115200" /dev/hda where X is your root filesystem partition (either 4 or 7). Make sure you get this right or your Tivo won’t boot. After you get the upgrade, pull the drive and hack it.

Option 2. I prefer this option because you don’t have to pull the drive out of your Tivo, you don't need a phone line connected, and it's possible you'll get the upgrade sooner than you would otherwise. It involves doing a “slice upgrade” that installs the new software without disturbing your hacks. Previously this method was a little tedious, but a new PTVupgrade product called “The Slicer (http://downloads.ptvupgrade.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=S2-SLICER&Category_Code=)” should do the job easily. I say “should” because I have not yet tried it on my HR10-250. I did try it on my dad’s standalone, and it worked very well. Just FTP it to your Tivo and run it…that simple. There’s an article on it over on the “other forum” (the playground, not DDB).

To monitor your system for the arrival of 6.3 slices, see here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4358364&&#post4358364).

Please post your experiences with upgrading your hacked HR10-250 here.

Do you also need to remove fakecall? When I try to force a call it says "failed while negotiating"...

[W2DHS]

Do you get an error? How do you know it's not using it?

Slicer reported "sed not found" or "sed not present." I can't recall the exact message.

[W2DHS]

What about those who ran the earlier version of The Slicer but added the Installsw file? Were they ultimately successful, and were their hacks still present?

I was successful in that I got the upgrade to work, but I lost my networking. I'm not sure what happened since I am pretty sure I had a static IP assigned. No new IPs show up on my network.

Slicer reported it had copied my hacks OK but I cannot check until I get back into the box.

[agzela]

I was successful in that I got the upgrade to work, but I lost my networking. I'm not sure what happened since I am pretty sure I had a static IP assigned. No new IPs show up on my network.

Slicer reported it had copied my hacks OK but I cannot check until I get back into the box.

Check out the release notes(1.1) on the slicer support page, specifically #3 "Now detecting if you have backported drivers in place, and copying them over if they’re there. Also copying usb.map"


I suspect that since you originally used slicer 1.0 and then used the installsw.itcl provided by rbautch the #3 process is what you are missing..Use a serial cable and try copying the backported drivers and usb stuff.

[rbautch]

Do you also need to remove fakecall? When I try to force a call it says "failed while negotiating"...No, but make sure you reboot after you remove the loopback routes from your author file.

[Mikey_C]

Well it looks like I have screwed up my HR10-250. I downloaded the slicer program and it ran with no errors except for something about not finding usb.map. The box rebooted and everything looked good, but no networking. So I pulled out my trusty serial cable and connected and checked and everything seemed to be in place as it was before (hacks directory, tivowebplus, etc.). So I'm assuming the usb.map thing might have something to do with the network not working...which is ok for now (i'll figure that part out soon enough).

What is really a problem is that I cannot schedule any recordings. The box things my DirecTV account is shut down and though I can watch live TV and watch whats already recorded, I get a "Service Message #81" whenever I try to schedule a recording. So I pick up the phone and call DirecTV support explain it to the "support" person, and she immediately transfer to me "advanced support". We go through the motions (unplug the box, wait a minute, plug back in, yada yada), and still nothing. He tries resetting everything on his end and still nothing. He says the box needs to make a call, so I plug the phone in, make the call, call is successful and still nothing. He then says he will get back to me because he needs to do some more research. I am waiting for his call back.

Did I royally screw this up? Am I looking at re-imaging with a 3.x Instant Cake and waiting for the upgrade to download again..and then pull my drives and re-hack this...or is there something I can do to fix this on my end? (I could just get the HR20 and suffer through that :eek: ) Thanks in advance.

[Brillian1080p]

Basic troubleshooting techniques will tell you that it's possible this problem could exist with both unhacked and hacked units. Yes the USB problem is with a hacked unit, but the other problems could be the upgrade itself.

Too many variables. You suggested removing one variable by imaging back to 3.xx. Pain in the rear but one way to go.

[Mikey_C]

Basic troubleshooting techniques will tell you that it's possible this problem could exist with both unhacked and hacked units. Yes the USB problem is with a hacked unit, but the other problems could be the upgrade itself.

Too many variables. You suggested removing one variable by imaging back to 3.xx. Pain in the rear but one way to go. Has anyone got a "System Message #81" with a non-hacked unit?

[pdawg17]

No, but make sure you reboot after you remove the loopback routes from your author file.

I did because I also entered the command listed in option 1 as well...I rebooted after that...looking at my tclient log, it looks like I had "succeeded" calls until I made the changes to the author file (although I don't know how fakecall works - does to make the tive think the call succeeded?)...have other people done option one and had it call in fine?

Edit: Reading through other posts, it looks like a lot of people are having trouble forcing a call and getting a "failed while negotiating" message...so it may have nothing to do with being a hacked unit or a mistake in the author file...

[samhammer]

I lost networking on my HR10 a month or so ago. I did not do anything about it because of the rumors of 6.x cominig out.

Last night my box took the update. I can now see and ping the box from the network, however neither telenet or ftp will connect. Should I just hook up the disk to the pc and redo the author file making sure the telenet an ftp files are there to load and pointing to the correct place?

Sam

[cheer]

I lost networking on my HR10 a month or so ago. I did not do anything about it because of the rumors of 6.x cominig out.

Last night my box took the update. I can now see and ping the box from the network, however neither telenet or ftp will connect. Should I just hook up the disk to the pc and redo the author file making sure the telenet an ftp files are there to load and pointing to the correct place?

Sam
Odds are your box is essentially unhacked now. You'll need to replace the kernel, set up a new .author file, etc. etc.

[bxs122]

I like the slice method because theoretically, you won't have to pull the drive. I'm going to hold off quite awhile on releasing a Zipper for 6.3 until things have settled down, and we know more about which hacks work and which don't. If you're not the adventurous type, you might choose option 1 and just live with an unhacked tivo for a few months.


I purchase the Slicer and also have the latest version but having read this thread I am reluctant to use it.

If I go with option 1 and revert back to an unhacked version can I later run the current zipper?

[bxs122]

OK no problems with the Slicer except networking. Complete process takes about 30 minutes.

What problem did you run into with your networking? Did you lose networking capabilities? If so what USB network interface component are you using?

If networking is a common problem then it seems to me the latest 6.3 reverts back to USB 1.1 vs. the USB 2.0 we had via zipper.

[rrr22777]

What problem did you run into with your networking? Did you lose networking capabilities? If so what USB network interface component are you using?

If networking is a common problem then it seems to me the latest 6.3 reverts back to USB 1.1 vs. the USB 2.0 we had via zipper.

Lost all networking. The light on the USB 1.1 does not even light up.

[rrr22777]

I purchase the Slicer and also have the latest version but having read this thread I am reluctant to use it (so much for the twenty bucks)

If I go with option 1 and revert back to an unhacked version can I later run the current zipper?

Best bet right now is wait till everything is worked out or buy a serial cable to you can get back into the box if you loose networking.

[rrr22777]

Anyone know how to use the serial cable?

[bxs122]

Anyone know how to use the serial cable?

I think I saw something online showing how to build one.
I also somewhere someone was selling them.

It would have been nice if it were a generic DB9.

I purchased an IOGear USB to Serial for communicating with my D11, I wonder if that would work on the HR10-250.

[rrr22777]

I think I saw something online showing how to build one.
I also somewhere someone was selling them.

It would have been nice if it were a generic DB9.

I purchased an IOGear USB to Serial for communicating with my D11, I wonder if that would work on the HR10-250.

Yes I have seen a log of places online selling them but I cant seem to find instructions on how to use it. :mad:

[rbautch]

Cheer discovered that using ifconfig in your author file to set up networking (like we did before with 3.1.5) does not work at all with 6.3. This is the why adapters are not lighting up after the reboot. The alternative is to run a tcl script that sets up networking in MFS. The catch is that you have to have access to the tivo to run it, so you'll either need a serial cable, or need to have your author file run it automatically. Fortunately, the Zipper was written to do the latter, and I have volunteered that code to PTVupgrade to include in the next Slicer release. Not sure if they'll be able to fold it in, or if it needs be run separately. For those of you who have already done the upgrade and lost networking, here are three options:

1. Pull the drive, boot to a Linux boot CD, mount your NEW root filesystem (if you don't know it type bootpage -p), and copy lghahn's netconfig script to it. Add a line to your author file to run the script with the appropriate arguments for ipadress, subnetmask, defaultgw, and dns-server. Also remove any network setup and driver loading commands from your author file or anywhere else (backup the original author file first). These start with "ifconfig" or "insmod". It's probably easier to create a new author file on your PC and then copy it do the drive.

2. Connect a serial cable, and edit the author file as described above. If you hacked your tivo with the Zipper, you can use the network.tcl script in the /enhancements directory instead of netconfig.tcl, so you won't have to transfer anything over the serial cable. I wrote network.tcl mainly for wireless/WEP configuration, but if will work for a wired connection if you add a line in your author file like this: tivosh /enhancements/network.tcl 192.168.1.105 192.168.1.1 where the arguments are ipaddress and defaultgw.

3. Reimage the drive with 3.1.5, take the upgrade again, and wait for the next Slicer release (v.1.2), which is supposed to fix the networking issue.

4. It's possible that using a killhdinitrd 7.2.2 kernel (on the PTVupgrade lba48 boot disc) could eliminate the need to set network settings in MFS, and it easier than the first two options. Pull the drive and mount it in your PC. Copy the kernel from your CD to your tivo or to /var if you have enough room. Gunzip it with gunzip -d -v vmlinux.px.gzthen install it with dd if=vmlinux.px of=/dev/hdaX bs=1024 count=2048 where X is your new kernel partion. It wouldn't hurt to copy it to both 3 and 6 if you don't know.

[bxs122]

Yes I have seen a log of places online selling them but I cant seem to find instructions on how to use it. :mad:

I have not done this with the HR10 but my first guess would be to connect the tivo and PC then open HyperTerminal and select direct to COMn where n is the COM port you are using on the PC side. You should see something.

[cheer]

I think I saw something online showing how to build one.
I also somewhere someone was selling them.
Yep. You can build one (http://www.numbski.net/img/tivocable.jpg), or you can order one from 9th Tee (http://9thtee.com/tivo-dthd.htm). (Scroll down; you'll see it.)

[cheer]

Cheer discovered that using ifconfig in your author file to set up networking (like we did before with 3.1.5) does not work at all with 6.3. This is the why adapters are not lighting up after the reboot.
Just a correction: my adapter was lighting up just fine. Not lighting suggests a driver problem, not the ifconfig problem.

[bxs122]

1. Pull the drive, boot to a Linux boot CD, mount your NEW root filesystem (if you don't know it type bootpage -p), and copy lghahn's netconfig script to it. Add a line to your author file to run the script with the appropriate arguments for ipadress, subnetmask, defaultgw, and dns-server. Also remove any network setup and driver loading commands from your author file or anywhere else. These start with "ifconfig" or "insmod". It's probably easier to create a new author file on your PC and then copy it do the drive.



Thank you so much for doing the leg-work needed to solve this.

I am just in the process of learning the linux/tivo side of the world so please be patient with my questions (I come from an MCE background):

1. running bootpage -p will list? and then to mount I use mount /dev/hdc /name
2. lghahn's netconfig script, is there a location to download this.
could I instead copy the current network.tcl before I run The Slicer?
3. author file - is this the rc.init.author? where is it located?

thanx

[tivoupgrade]

Cheer discovered that using ifconfig in your author file to set up networking (like we did before with 3.1.5) does not work at all with 6.3. This is the why adapters are not lighting up after the reboot. The alternative is to run a tcl script that sets up networking in MFS. The catch is that you have to have access to the tivo to run it, so you'll either need a serial cable, or need to have your author file run it automatically. Fortunately, the Zipper was written to do the latter, and I have volunteered that code to PTVupgrade to include in the next Slicer release. Not sure if they'll be able to fold it in, or if it needs be run separately. For those of you who have already done the upgrade and lost networking, here are three options:

3. Reimage the drive with 3.1.5, take the upgrade again, and wait for the next Slicer release.

If you haven't already done the upgrade, the next slicer may be the one that gets it right on the first try.

For those who purchased The Slicer (as of this post's timestamp), mangled their systems and who choose option 3, we will provide a free copy of InstantCake (3.1.5f) to make things easier. We'll also provide a free update to The Slicer, once we've confirmed that it all works. (please PM me with your order number and a valid email address)

Much appreciation to the bleeding edge folks who've helped things along here.

[bxs122]

My hat is off to you guys - I envy your tenacity and wealth of knowledge.

[rrr22777]

2. Connect a serial cable, and edit the author file as described above. If you hacked your tivo with the Zipper, you can use the network.tcl script in the /enhancements directory instead of netconfig.tcl, so you won't have to transfer anything over the serial cable. I wrote network.tcl mainly for wireless/WEP configuration, but if will work for a wired connection if you add a line in your author file like this: tivosh /enhancements/network.tcl 192.168.1.105 192.168.1.1 where the arguments are ipaddress and defaultgw.

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If we used PTVnet instead of Zipper are there any options like Option 2 that work with a serial cable so that we dont have to pull out the drives?

[HUGE2U]

I am impatient and tired of waiting (I want what I want, and I want it now). :) Anyone know where I can D/L the 6.3 slices?


HUGE

[pilotbob3]

I tried installing 6.3 via the Slicer program and got pretty far along, but had a problem when it tried to install the hacked kernel. The log is:

installSw.itcl ran successfully, and set up your new partitions.

Please note the following:

Your new root filesystem partition is 4

Your new kernel partition is 3


Hit <enter> to continue, or <cntrl-c> to exit:

Copying your hacked kernel to the new boot partition...

dd: /dev/hda3: No space left on device

4097+0 records in

4096+0 records out

Kernel copy failed! Before you reboot, manually copy your acked kernel to the new boot partition.


Any ideas on how I can fix this?

Thanks

[madgrizzle]

Yep. You can build one (http://www.numbski.net/img/tivocable.jpg), or you can order one from 9th Tee (http://9thtee.com/tivo-dthd.htm). (Scroll down; you'll see it.)

I built one using the end of a snipped off end of old pair of PC stereo speaker interconnect cable and the snipped off end of DB-9 connector from an obsolete IR sender. Just make sure you trace out the wires using an ohmmeter (continuity tester) and follow the wiring diagram that was linked.

Don't worry about soldering the wires together or anything, I twisted mine together and taped them up with electrical tape. It was ugly, but the darn thing worked to my amazement. I had to set the baud rate to 115.2Kbps and I believe it was 8, N, 1 with no flow control (might have to check on the flow control). I was thinking it would be 9.6Kbps, but it only worked when set at 115.2.

[mattdb]

OK, stupid question here.

I am trying to mount my other ext2 to copy stuff around from telnet but I am getting errors.


BedRoom-TiVo# mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/3 -t ext2
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4,
or too many mounted file systems
BedRoom-TiVo# mount -t ext2 /dev/hda4 /mnt/3
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4,
or too many mounted file systems
BedRoom-TiVo# umount
Usage: umount [-hV]
umount -a [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] [-t vfstypes]
umount [-f] [-r] [-n] [-v] special | node...
BedRoom-TiVo# mount
/dev/hda7 on / type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hda9 on /var type ext2 (rw)
/proc on /proc type proc (rw)
BedRoom-TiVo# mount -t ext2 /dev/hda4 /mnt
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4,
or too many

BedRoom-TiVo# mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/3
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
BedRoom-TiVo#



what am I missing. I have always mounted stuff ok when on the pc?


BedRoom-TiVo# bootpage -p
No device name given, assuming /dev/hda
root=/dev/hda7 dsscon=true console=2,115200 upgradesoftware=false
BedRoom-TiVo#
BedRoom-TiVo# mount
/dev/hda7 on / type ext2 (rw)
/dev/hda9 on /var type ext2 (rw)
/proc on /proc type proc (rw)
BedRoom-TiVo#

[cheer]

What I don't see is a plain old:mount /dev/hda4 /mntAlso, did you make a /mnt directory?

[mattdb]

That is why I am at loss. That was the very first thing I did.

BedRoom-TiVo# mkdir mnt
mkdir: cannot make directory `mnt': File exists
BedRoom-TiVo# mount /dev/hda4 /mnt
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
BedRoom-TiVo#

[mattdb]

OK now I am confused.

I telneted into one of my other tivos and the command worked just fine.

And the one that it wont work on is the one with slices......

I also went thru my .profile and removed some crap, but still no luck on this box.

Gunna try a reboot. Still haven't changed anything.



bash-2.02# cd mnt
bash-2.02# dir
bash-2.02# cd ..
bash-2.02# bootpage -p
No device name given, assuming /dev/hda
root=/dev/hda7 dsscon=true console=2,115200 upgradesoftware=false
bash-2.02# mount /dev/hda4 /mnt
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
bash-2.02# mkdir root4
bash-2.02# mount /dev/hda4 /root4
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
bash-2.02# pwd
/
bash-2.02# mount /dev/hda4 /root4 -t ext2
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4,
or too many mounted file systems

[whitepelican]

That is why I am at loss. That was the very first thing I did.

BedRoom-TiVo# mkdir mnt
mkdir: cannot make directory `mnt': File exists
BedRoom-TiVo# mount /dev/hda4 /mnt
mount: you must specify the filesystem type
BedRoom-TiVo#

I'm not sure what step of the process you're in here, but I had the same problem at first. I was trying to mount the alternate partition and copy my hacks before I ran the installSw.itcl, but it wouldn't work. I just decided to run my modified installSw.itcl first and then after it finished but before rebooting I had no problem mounting the other partition and copying hacks over.

[mattdb]

Forget my post. I just ran the installSw.itcl and now I can mount.

Figured worse case would be pull drive.

Really worse case would be restore from back up.
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[mattdb]

I'm not sure what step of the process you're in here, but I had the same problem at first. I was trying to mount the alternate partition and copy my hacks before I ran the installSw.itcl, but it wouldn't work. I just decided to run my modified installSw.itcl first and then after it finished but before rebooting I had no problem mounting the other partition and copying hacks over.


That is exactly what I decided to do and it worked.

[aaronwt]

For those who purchased The Slicer (as of this post's timestamp), mangled their systems and who choose option 3, we will provide a free copy of InstantCake (3.1.5f) to make things easier. We'll also provide a free update to The Slicer, once we've confirmed that it all works. (please PM me with your order number and a valid email address)

Much appreciation to the bleeding edge folks who've helped things along here.

Thanks for the offer for Instant Cake but I already have it. :D Will there be an Instant Cake 6.3 version coming out and a PTVnet for version 6.3 also? Or can I already use PTVnet on version 6.3?

[Lord Vader]

I would surmise that once tivoupgrade has been able to get 6.3 himself, he'll come out with an Instantcake CD as well, in addition to having a final version of The Slicer.

[W2DHS]

So I upgraded with slicer and lost my network. If I pull the disk to fix it, what do I need to do? Will the old 3.x instructions work?

[Mikey_C]

is there any way to "unslice" ?

[cheer]

is there any way to "unslice" ?
No -- once you've gone through the upgrade process, changes are made to MFS that the old 3.1.5f software isn't compatible with.

[BigBearf]

I have not yet received the upgrade on 2 of my unzippered HR10's. I also have not received slices on 4 of my zippered HR10's. I have Slicer 1.1 ftp'd to my /hacks folder and am reading the boards to see what to do next.
My plan is to hopefully get the update on my unzippered units and then preserve these hard drives as virgin OSes.
My next decision is more complicated. I am thinking of using the Slicer 1.x and if need be a serial cable to re-enable networking, however I have not seen anybody yet posting the necessary steps to accomplish upgrading in this manner.
Anybody have any thoughts or suggestions,
Thanks,
BigBearf

[Lord Vader]

Just out of curiosity, if I were to take a new HR10-250 that is NOT subscribed or activated--it's still sitting new and in its box--would I be able to connect it, stick the access card into it, and let it take the upgrade WITHOUT calling DirecTV to activate it? There's no need for me to subscribe this just yet, which is why I was wondering about this scenario.

[Shredfest]

OK, stupid question. How can I ftp the check4slices script to the HR10-250 when it keeps telling me it is a read only file system? What am I missing?

[Draven X. Byrne]

You need to use the command rw (if you zippered) to make the system read / write.

If you didn't zipper - do a search throughn the zipper readme to see what the rw aliases to.

DXB

[rbautch]

Copying your hacked kernel to the new boot partition...
dd: /dev/hda3: No space left on device

This error can safely be ignored. (thanks, Jamie :) )

[klaroby]

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.....

Some good news, and some bad news...

I went ahead and deleted the hda6 file I created, and renamed the .old file back.

I proceeded to reboot and...

SUCCESSFULLY booted into 6.3.

I did get my "fakecall successful" during the boot process.

HOWEVER, my local OTA channels were not populated. No big deal... I just re-scanned.

My local guide data is blank (scheduled programming). No big deal (I assume) it will re-load.

I have no network connectivity or caller ID.

Verified version 6.3 in system information.

BAD THINGS...

My account status says "Account closed... call DIRECTV"

My DVR Service says "inactive".

I can't initiate any recordings.

Trying to press record in live TV gives me a pop-up that I need to activate DVR service.

I also can't go into any of the "Pick Program to record" options. There's a black banner message at the bottom of the screen that says "acquiring satellite info, pick programs to record will be available in about 30 minutes".... but it's been an hour already.

I hope nothing is screwed up TOO badly.

I can always re-image and zipper if need be.


I previously thought mine upgraded ok, but I have the same problem. Any thing that can be done to fix this?

[klaroby]

is there any way to "unslice" ?


Did you get a call back from DirecTV?
I have the same account inactive problem.

To answer your question, I guess you could pull the drive and install a new image.

[Runch Machine]

So has anyone used the slicer so successfully upgrade a zippered HR10-250 which received the 6.3 download and had it come up on 6.3 and be fully functional? I am wondering if I should use method one and lose the hacks for now or use method 2 with the slicer. From what I can see, no one has been successful using the slicer method.

[aaronwt]

Yes I have two boxes with the newer slicer that upgraded to 6.3 fine.(network adapter isn't active so no access to the hacks) The first box had the old slicer so it went into a powering up loop.

[slydog75]

Yes I have two boxes with the newer slicer that upgraded to 6.3 fine.(network adapter isn't active so no access to the hacks) The first box had the old slicer so it went into a powering up loop.

100% success would leave your network connection active. Has anyone achieved that with the slicer?

[W2DHS]

I haven't seen total success here or at the other place yet.

[Tivogre]

Looks like this has happed to several people, and it's not particular to the slicer. Call DirecTV, and they should be able to take care of it.

Unfortunately not.

I was on the phone with "advanced support" for over an hour last night. They tried several things on their side, including deactivating my service entirely and re-activating; it never came back.

The "other place" seems to indicate this morning that there are a couple of environment variables that need to be set before starting the upgrade, otherwise you lose your service ID.

I have used "Instant Cake" to go back to a virgin 3.1.5f state for now.

[rbautch]

So I upgraded with slicer and lost my network. If I pull the disk to fix it, what do I need to do? Will the old 3.x instructions work?See here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4376444#post4376444).

[mattdb]

I've been in contact with Lou at PTVupgrade, and they've updated the slicer to hopefully set up networking without the need for a serial cable. He sent me a version to test, and it seems to work, but I've only tested it on my 6.2 boxes, since I don't have 6.3 slices at the moment.

Well I just bought the slicer because I couldn't get manual to work on one of my boxes. It goes thru installing and running just fine but puts me in a reboot loop.

Here is the last part of the console log.

bt -t /tvbin/tivoapp <<END_OF_BT
tcd 1
hpk Series2
build b-firefly-takehome @242789 2006.08.11-1618 release-mips []
pack 6.3-01-2
read 0x00400000 /tvbin/tivoapp
read 0x02000000 /lib/libc.so.6
read 0x02200000 /lib/libm.so.6
read 0x02400000 /lib/libpthread.so.0
read 0x02600000 /lib/libutil.so.1
read 0x02800000 /lib/libtvutil.so
read 0x02a00000 /lib/libtmk.so
read 0x02c00000 /lib/libtvstructures.so
read 0x2aaa8000 /lib/ld.so.1
read 0x2ab04000 /lib/libhpkoss.so
read 0x2ab50000 /platform/lib/libhpkhl.so
read 0x2ac18000 /platform/lib/libhpkll.so
read 0x2ac5c000 /lib/libdl.so.2
read 0x2aca0000 /lib/libcdaudio.so
0x02a7ea98 0x02a82cf0 0x02a24620 0x02a4ff2c 0x00691e28 0x02a28c08 0x02a28834
0x02a60cb8 0x02a2871c 0x02a28630 0x02a2b03c 0x02a3c7e4 0x02a3c6cc 0x02a3c57c
0x02a3bad8
END_OF_BT

Tmk Fatal Error: Activity TvBusProxy <98>: assertion failure
Waiting for launcher to start.
Launcher is running.
Scanning for phase2 repair scripts
Running boot Stage E_PreApplication scripts
Checking for database conversions
flushing ide devices: hda
Restarting system.



I have done some digging here and there... but nothing seems to get me by it.
Also of note, is that when I attach this drive back to my pc and look at the partitions, none of the 6.3 stuff is anywhere, no iptable files etc.

Arghh.

[BigBearf]

I've been in contact with Lou at PTVupgrade, and they've updated the slicer to hopefully set up networking without the need for a serial cable. He sent me a version to test, and it seems to work, but I've only tested it on my 6.2 boxes, since I don't have 6.3 slices at the moment.


Russ,
Thanks for the info. I also do not have the slices or upgrade as we speak. I think I'll just have to wait and hopefully the new Slicer will be out. If I get the upgrade I'll send you a PM and maybe you will get it sooner if you can walk me though how to extract the slices and send them to you. I hope that this is OK to talk about but my feeling is that D* should work will both you, Gunny and Lou to move things along.
Thanks,
BigBearf

[rbautch]

I have done some digging here and there... but nothing seems to get me by it.
Also of note, is that when I attach this drive back to my pc and look at the partitions, none of the 6.3 stuff is anywhere, no iptable files etc.
Arghh.This happens when you rename netfilter. The latest slicer is apparently not doing this anymore. Are you sure you're mounting the correct partition? If you get it mounted, rename netfilter-disable back to netfilter and try again.

[aaronwt]

How does one go about setting up the networking with a serial cable?

[rbautch]

How does one go about setting up the networking with a serial cable?Do a search for "serial cable". Tons of information here.

[mattdb]

This happens when you rename netfilter. The latest slicer is apparently not doing this anymore. Are you sure you're mounting the correct partition? If you get it mounted, rename netfilter-disable back to netfilter and try again.

yeah I did that. It was in the root dir. What about the dhclient-script?

[rbautch]

yeah I did that. It was in the root dir. What about the dhclient-script?Ignore it.

[rbautch]

For lost who lost networking, you may want to try copying a killhdinitrd'd 7.2.2 kernel to your new kernel partion. One user has reported that this elminates the need to set network settings in MFS. See my updated post on the options here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4376444#post4376444).

[jasch]

Rbautch, I have two questions for you.

1. Do you know if the slicer will keep modification to "rc.Sequence_050.SetupCoreEnviroment" in 7.x in order to let you start bash at the beginning of startup without the TiVo locking up?

2. Any luck with modifying fakecall.tcl to work with 6.3?

Thanks

[aaronwt]

I have a serial connection established with my HR10-250 that was upgraded to 6.3 with slicer. How do I re-enable the TiVo hacks that were there before and enable the network adapter? What folders are they located in. The hacks were from the PTVnet install.