6.3 Release Watch Thread [Text View] - Page 2

pdawg17

09-15-2006, 07:32 PM

Well, I'm one of those hacked boxes with no 6.3 slices. I was wondering if I had done something during the hacking process that would stop the slices download, or if it just hasn't been downloaded everywhere.

If everyone got the slices and is just waiting for a call, then I did make a mistake somehow.

That's what I've been wondering too...I still have a feeling that we haven't received the slices yet (at least I hope that's what it is)...I guess you could always unzipper the drive to make it "clean" again...

mikeny

09-15-2006, 07:46 PM

Do you guys think there is any harm in forcing a few calls a day?

guptasa1

09-15-2006, 07:49 PM

willardcpa

09-15-2006, 07:52 PM

It's probably not by dial in numbers otherwise folks would not be having situations where only one of their three boxes has 6.3 yet. ;)

slydog75

09-15-2006, 07:52 PM

How would they know unless the box is hacked? Are you saying that there are lots of reports where hacked boxes haven't received the slices?

Yes... mine for instance and folks at the 'other' forum.

guptasa1

09-15-2006, 07:58 PM

It's probably not by dial in numbers otherwise folks would not be having situations where only one of their three boxes has 6.3 yet. ;)

Oh...yeah...good point. =oP Sorry - tired here. Shucks. =oP

slydog75

09-15-2006, 08:00 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I have a hacked box and I got the slices last night.

I'm not going to deal with them until I get back from an upcoming trip, though. Plus, that'll give some time for the newly revised relevant tools to become more refined before I invest in them. :)

Just curious.. did you use the zipper or some other means?

Does anyone who used the zipper have the slices?

pdawg17

09-15-2006, 08:00 PM

Yes... mine for instance and folks at the 'other' forum.

So would "unzippering" allow the slices to be d/l'd?

LlamaLarry

09-15-2006, 08:00 PM

slydog75

09-15-2006, 08:05 PM

I've got a scheduled Tivo Service Data download tonight.. maybe they'll come with that?

rminsk

09-15-2006, 08:13 PM

Wait a sec... If it's by dial-in numbers, couldn't we force it to update by changing our dial-in number into a number that's confirmed to have the update? I mean, yeah, it'd be a toll call, but that long a call would prolly be worth it for those of us who wanna play with the update. =oP For example, I'm in PA (area code 814), but I haven't gotten the update yet. If someone else did, and I used their dialin number, would I get it?The phone call is to a local ISP. Once the connection to the local ISP is establish it creates a TCP/IP connection to TiVo. The phones are not location based. The upgrade activation is based on your TiVo Service Number.

guptasa1

09-15-2006, 08:21 PM

Thanks for the clarification.

mdsteven

09-15-2006, 08:29 PM

Good for DirecTV. Again, take a look a the second post.

Well explain this to me. I live in zip cod 33xxx, yet I don't have 6.3 installed and hve forced daily call 5 times today. Its now clear that the update is purely random.

mdsteven

09-15-2006, 08:32 PM

It seems for this release DirecTV wanted to get it out in a hurry for the fall TV season and DirecTV is NOT basing it on zipcode. With that said DirecTV only activates a certain number of machines per day. The machines are choosen randomly based on the machines service number. Once the machine has been choosen randomly the next phone call will activate the software.

I am only listing the zipcodes where the software has been activated. If you are seeing it in /SwSystem and it has not installed I am not list it.

Zipcodes with 6.3 installed:
01xxx
06xxx
07xxx
08xxx
10xxx
11xxx
16xxx
21xxx
22xxx
24xxx
27xxx
28xxx
30xxx
32xxx
33xxx
34xxx
37xxx
45xxx
46xxx
48xxx
54xxx
60xxx
61xxx
70xxx
75xxx
76xxx
77xxx
78xxx
79xxx
85xxx
89xxx
90xxx
91xxx
93xxx
94xxx
95xxx
97xxx

I am not sure where you are getting your information but a few of these zip codes do not have the 6.3 update. Your update is based on your tivo service id#, not your zip code or dial in number.

rminsk

09-15-2006, 08:32 PM

Do you guys think there is any harm in forcing a few calls a day?I think they only update the database once a day but I do not know what time the do the update at.

exchguy

09-15-2006, 08:32 PM

Has anyone figured out a way to force the upgrade? I called D* last night and they transferred me to Advanced support. Although, they really could give me no better answer than "well, it should come down on its own". I don't necessarily want to have to wait until October.

Also, has anyone in Mountain time gotten the update? I haven't seen any posted from Mountain time so wondering if the update is only Central and Eastern at this point.

pdawg17

09-15-2006, 08:34 PM

rminsk

09-15-2006, 08:43 PM

I am not sure where you are getting your information but a few of these zip codes do not have the 6.3 update. Your update is based on your tivo service id#, not your zip code or dial in number.I am basing it on people on this thread who have reported successful installs. How do you know they do not have the update? People have reported having 6.3 installed in everyone of these zipcodes.

The update at this time is purely based on your service number and has nothing to do with the dailin number. In the past DirecTV has slowly rolled out the software starting in LA and then expanding it to the west coast, ... I created this thread before the rollout started. DirecTV choose this time to not base the update on service number and region but wanted to get it out in a hurry for the fall TV season.

Marc

09-15-2006, 09:20 PM

Just curious.. did you use the zipper or some other means?
I used PTVnet.

ECEGatorTuro

09-15-2006, 09:20 PM

Well I think I may have a problem...

I posted a few pages back that my unit serial number listed on the D* site was some 12-digit alpha numeric number. Unfortunately, when I look up the system information on my HR10, this supposed serial number that D* has listed for me is NOWHERE to be found on the sys info page. It is not related to any number at all on that page. I'm assuming this will obviously impact my chances at getting the upgrade since it's been said it's going by service number. The question would be then would I be able to call D* and have them change it to the correct number? I was on hold for 15 minutes and hung up because I got tired of waiting.

my zip is 85248 and according to some people in the thread (and the main list), Phoenix people has successfully received and installed the update

LlamaLarry

09-15-2006, 09:24 PM

So you installed the slices manually?Yeah, went very smoothly and I fixed my network problem almost as soon as I plugged in my serial cable. It was a dumb mistake. :::sigh:::

6.3 seems to work fine, can't tell about SP reorg yet as it was still loading guide data. Only weird things I noticed were the Grouping is off by default and system sounds had a weird echo/reverb to them that was not there before. Also the channel logos look "fuzzy".

exit57

09-15-2006, 10:02 PM

Zip codes areas are seperated by the first 3 digits of the zip not the first 2.

61xxx could be anywhere in the northern half of Illinois except for Chicago, the suburbs and the area around Kankakee.

HDTV_Duffus

09-15-2006, 10:07 PM

381xx

Got the update. Folders are there and the speed is improved, not blazing but improved.

I'm not sure when the upgrade took place, I had been out of town, when I got back my wife was fussing about conflicts on the TIVO last night. She said the TIVo had 3 programs in the To Do List with overlapping time slots and the unit kept asking to change channels. I don't think it ever recorded any of the shows. I can't say if this was before/during/after the upgrade.

Anyone else have any issues after the upgrade?

rminsk

09-15-2006, 10:28 PM

Well I think I may have a problem...

I posted a few pages back that my unit serial number listed on the D* site was some 12-digit alpha numeric number. Unfortunately, when I look up the system information on my HR10, this supposed serial number that D* has listed for me is NOWHERE to be found on the sys info page. It is done by TiVo service number and not the serial number. The DirecTV website will not list the TiVo service number. Your machine would not activate without being in the database. The rollout is suppose to last until the first week in October. If you have not received it by then start worrying.

dougmod

09-15-2006, 10:30 PM

i live in 91745 and for some reason it calls and just does the normal thing..so i dont now if it IS in the 91xxx

ayrton911

09-15-2006, 10:34 PM

No luck for me yet. :( I really want 6.3 :)

JimSpence

09-15-2006, 10:36 PM

"Patience is a Virtue"

"All good things come to those who wait"

Any other words of wisdom?

Howie

09-15-2006, 10:36 PM

94920 - I have the slices on my hacked box, but I don't know how to install them. :confused:

kbohip

09-15-2006, 10:38 PM

Still no 6.3 for me either. :(

phox_mulder

09-15-2006, 10:44 PM

"Patience is a Virtue"

"All good things come to those who wait"

Any other words of wisdom?

"It'll get here when it gets here"

"A watched pot never boils"

"These are not the droids you seek"

phox

BrettStah

09-15-2006, 10:48 PM

"It'll get here when it gets here"

"A watched pot never boils"

"These are not the droids you seek"

phox
I'm going to have to take off geek points for the Obi Wan quote attempt - close but no cigar! :)

phox_mulder

09-15-2006, 10:51 PM

I'm going to have to take off geek points for the Obi Wan quote attempt - close but no cigar! :)

I tried.

Important one was the watched pot.

I refuse to check every hour to see if I just had a phone connection or a reboot.

phox

BigBearf

09-15-2006, 11:18 PM

I have not gotten it activated on one box (unhacked), but since the new sw was on my hacked box I installed it this evening. Almost everything went according to plan, I have to take a look at my network settings, but that should be pretty easy.

Took about an hour total (including the database upgrade), but I was eating dinner and documenting my steps so my coworkers won't screw up their boxes.

It appears that you have upgraded a zippered HR10 using slices and then used a serial cable to enable network capability.

Would you care to outline the steps that you took so as to help others accomplish the same. Also which hacks are functional and which are not so as to help in troubleshooting

Thanks,
BigBearf

GalenMD

09-15-2006, 11:24 PM

Anybody think that there may be better luck by dialing into a different phone number? Could it be server specific? I tried changing to a couple other numbers, but no luck.

Maybe somebody with 6.3 in the 310 area code can tell us what number they called. I could then try changing to that number to see if that makes a difference. Probably not, but would be interesting to try.

ECEGatorTuro

09-15-2006, 11:56 PM

It is done by TiVo service number and not the serial number. The DirecTV website will not list the TiVo service number. Your machine would not activate without being in the database. The rollout is suppose to last until the first week in October. If you have not received it by then start worrying.

Well what I'm worried about is that the "serial number" that D* shows on the website is nowhere to be found on my machine. I checked the label on the back and I checked the system info page on the Tivo and it's almost the installer just called in a random string of letters and numbers.... he seemed quite agitated and in a hurry when he did it because he kept getting disconnected when talking to the activation people. In fact, I remember that after he left, my Tivo service wasn't working and I had to call to activate it AGAIN.

I will ask again, will D* change the INCORRECT serial number in their database if I call them?

rminsk

09-15-2006, 11:56 PM

Anybody think that there may be better luck by dialing into a different phone number? Could it be server specific? I tried changing to a couple other numbers, but no luck.http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4378495&&#post4378495

darthrsg

09-16-2006, 12:14 AM

I'm going to have to take off geek points for the Obi Wan quote attempt - close but no cigar! :)

"Points matter not, ... Look at me. Judge me by points, do you?”

btwyx

09-16-2006, 12:18 AM

Just got it in 94043.

Forced call this morning did not, this evening did.

jbernardis

09-16-2006, 12:18 AM

Still no 6.3 for me either
Unhacked HR10-250
Zip code 08558

Philly Bill

09-16-2006, 12:26 AM

You all are a riot... This is better than comedy central.

Cruzan

09-16-2006, 12:27 AM

It is a random process and not a hashing process. DirecTV has a database of service numbers and what version of the software they should be running. Each night they randomly choose service numbers and update the database to reflect the receiver should have 6.3. What made you think it was a hashing algorithm?

Because I run a larger set of distributed applications than DirecTV's and we use a hashing algorithm. It's also likely that they use a hash as a way to choose random service numbers on the database (which is kind of what we do, although it's a little different), so we're really not arguing.

steff3

09-16-2006, 12:39 AM

Anyone in 94534 or 94533 receive yet?

boku68

09-16-2006, 12:54 AM

Forced call this morning (9/22). Update installed and working great!

64014

Dssturbo1

09-16-2006, 01:40 AM

Well what I'm worried about is that the "serial number" that D* shows on the website is nowhere to be found on my machine. I checked the label on the back and I checked the system info page on the Tivo and it's almost the installer just called in a random string of letters and numbers.... he seemed quite agitated and in a hurry when he did it because he kept getting disconnected when talking to the activation people. In fact, I remember that after he left, my Tivo service wasn't working and I had to call to activate it AGAIN.

I will ask again, will D* change the INCORRECT serial number in their database if I call them?
if it's working they have the right numbers.

check your directv central>messages & setup>system information screen again it should have the
IRD serial #
IRD Receiver ID#
Access card ID#
Service #

the ird receiver# and the service # are on the label on back left corner of your hr10-250

i think the service number is what dtv considers or list the serial # as

dthreet

09-16-2006, 02:30 AM

Anyone know the the MRV, Music & Photo have will work on 6.3?

rminsk

09-16-2006, 02:34 AM

Because I run a larger set of distributed applications than DirecTV's and we use a hashing algorithm. It's also likely that they use a hash as a way to choose random service numbers on the database (which is kind of what we do, although it's a little different), so we're really not arguing.Generating random numbers with a hashing algorithm is different from using a hash of the service id...

chevyman601

09-16-2006, 05:13 AM

looking at the zip numbers come in I don't see anyone in the State Of Washington that have got it, (zip 98 & 99) which Seattle is a major area to miss! And you know old Bill G was the first one to get it

no-blue-screen

09-16-2006, 06:12 AM

Anubys

09-16-2006, 07:29 AM

Well forced another call this morning, but I noticed something interesting as I think a few others have mentioned. Normally when I force a call, it bumps the next scheduled call another 24 hours into the future. It's not doing that now, for the past two days it had stayed at scheduled for Sunday 9/17 at 2:45am. Not sure what that's all about, but I am hoping that I get upgraded soon.

I had this happen on 2 out of 3 units...the time for the call came and went and no upgrade...so while I'm not sure why it does that, I can state for a fact that it does not mean that the unit is getting the upgrade at that time...

once that time came, not only did both units not make the call, but the time changed to about 36 hours later as if a call had been made... :mad:

mikeny

09-16-2006, 07:38 AM

Forced call this morning (9/22). Update installed and working great!

64014
Am I crazy or I did I miss a week?

fasTLane

09-16-2006, 07:44 AM

Talk about a time shifting technology upgrade. :D

smoberly

09-16-2006, 07:48 AM

I have been forcing daily calls for the last couple days...anticipating receipt of the 6.3 update to my HR10-250....all has been good until last night I started getting "Failed to connect" during dialing. When the problem persisted this morning, I decided to try and see if I could get one of my other units to connect--a Philips SD box....same problem.

I have four DirecTV DVR's currently activated (three with Tivo) they are all connected to phone lines all of the time, and always successfully complete their regular calls.

I am using AT&T CallVantage VoIP...but have been successfully using my current configuration for well over a year with no problems...

This would lead me to believe the problem resides somewhere other than my home...

Anyone else suddenly experiencing similar issues or have awareness of any changes at D*? Are we overloading them with forced calls...this is very frustrating.

steven-h

09-16-2006, 08:04 AM

Anyone else suddenly experiencing similar issues or have awareness of any changes at D*? Are we overloading them with forced calls...this is very frustrating.

Once in a while I get a hand shake error but, call right back and get in. My only problem is I still have not received the OK to upgrade signal. If we only knew what time of day D changes authorization we could all stop calling so much. But, to your question no I have no problem calling in.

Robdec

09-16-2006, 08:55 AM

Still no update for me :(

Herb S.

09-16-2006, 09:05 AM

Recieved mine somtime Thurs. morning. Zip 03848

slydog75

09-16-2006, 09:42 AM

I still dont' have the slices on mine. I'm hoping something's not wrong. Well, at any rate, I'm sure an instantcake image will be available soon so I'll just have to rehack.

twaller

09-16-2006, 10:10 AM

I'm not feelin' the love from D* - No update for me yet, I have been forcing daily calls for the last 3 days.

U2SockMonkey

09-16-2006, 10:13 AM

I will ask again, will D* change the INCORRECT serial number in their database if I call them?

A few weeks ago my SD tivo bit the dust. When I purchased a used replacement off of eBay, I called DTV to activate it and they changed the serial number. Therefore, yes, I am almost positive that they will update the serial number if you tell them it's wrong. Just explain to them that you noticed it's wrong when visiting the web site.

U2SockMonkey

09-16-2006, 10:17 AM

Well forced another call this morning, but I noticed something interesting as I think a few others have mentioned. Normally when I force a call, it bumps the next scheduled call another 24 hours into the future. It's not doing that now, for the past two days it had stayed at scheduled for Sunday 9/17 at 2:45am. Not sure what that's all about, but I am hoping that I get upgraded soon.
I started forcing calls once or twice a day (morning/evening) on Tuesday. On Thursday night, my "Next scheduled call" date started sticking at 9/15/2006 @ 6:58am. However, this morning when I got up around 7:30am...

1) it had not made the call yet.
2) when I forced a call, no 6.3 upgrade

But, I remain optimistic that I will not have to wait until October 5th. :D

dougmod

09-16-2006, 10:36 AM

Ikeep getting the thing about 2 am where it is stilll getting the update or something and wont have it unitil the tivo restarts...live in the 91745 zip

hiker

09-16-2006, 10:44 AM

... If we only knew what time of day D changes authorization we could all stop calling so much...
Maybe this btwyx post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4379179&&#post4379179) gives us a clue that it happens sometimes during the daylight hours?

unclebrownie

09-16-2006, 11:20 AM

Forcing call twice a day and restarting twice a day and still no 6.3 update .
My Zip is 12440

mebiii

09-16-2006, 11:21 AM

Just forced a call, no 6.3.

98107

JoeSchueller

09-16-2006, 11:28 AM

Forced at 6 last night and around 7 this morning with no love in 41018.

pdawg17

09-16-2006, 11:37 AM

Nothing here in 94070 :(

gregftlaud

09-16-2006, 11:50 AM

NO-BLUE-SCREEN,

My next scheduled call has been saying sunday at 245 am also for the past couple of days even though i keep forcing calls.

Greg

jbiz

09-16-2006, 12:42 PM

forced a call, nothing yet in 32082

kbohip

09-16-2006, 01:00 PM

Forced a call this morning, no 6.3 yet in 80917. :down:

boylan

09-16-2006, 01:16 PM

I still dont' have the slices on mine. I'm hoping something's not wrong. Well, at any rate, I'm sure an instantcake image will be available soon so I'll just have to rehack.

I'm still without the slices too - so I'm hunting around for slices or images online - no luck yet.

JaserLet

09-16-2006, 01:23 PM

Regular call was last night, nothing. Forced a call this afternoon, nothing.

ad301

09-16-2006, 02:39 PM

Yesterday I forced calls on both my boxes and got no update.

This morning, again forced calls, and both were "pending restart".

Now running 6.3 on both hr10s. Zip 11780.

whsbuss

09-16-2006, 03:05 PM

Forced call. No 6.3 yet zip 191xx

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 03:19 PM

As far as I can determine, tivo is not distributing this upgrade over the phone line under any circumstances, and in fact is sending it exclusively via the nightly service data download for the time being (this will no doubt change in the future, but probably not for another few weeks or a few months.) So if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong.

And also as far as I can tell, *everybody* with an HR10-250 has received this to their hard drive during the nightly download on thursday night (if your tivo was off that night then it got it the next night, and they continue to distribute it each night for I don't know how long.) Whether or not your tivo installed the upgrade that day is another thing entirely, and I am unaware what determines this.

mr.unnatural

09-16-2006, 03:33 PM

While it may be true that DTV is not distributing this over the phone line (it is coming from DTV and not Tivo, BTW), not everyone has received the slices on their HDTivos yet. What determines who gets it is anybody's guess at this point since no one really knows for sure. This is easily verified by typing in the following from bash:

echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh

This will show you which software versions are on your hard drive and indicate which is the active version. You can also use the check4slices.sh script posted by cheer to see if they've been downloaded to mfs. So far, none of my three HDTivos have received the update.

I believe DTV is selectively distributing the slices so if they're on your hard drive they will be installed at the next reboot following the call made after the download (i.e., slice download -> phone call -> reboot -> install). So far, everyone that's found the slices downloaded to mfs has been able to get them installed following a manual reboot or forced daily call and a reboot.

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 03:37 PM

While it may be true that DTV is not distributing this over the phone line (it is coming from DTV and not Tivo, BTW),

No, its not. Your tivo fetches them off of servers owned by tivo. Look at your /var/logs.

not everyone has received the slices on their HDTivos yet.

Yes they have, just with some people it discards it shortly after it has been downloaded and before it actually appears in /SwSystem. It isn't as if the satellite can magically send a different signal to different receivers.

Anubys

09-16-2006, 03:48 PM

Yesterday I forced calls on both my boxes and got no update.

This morning, again forced calls, and both were "pending restart".

Now running 6.3 on both hr10s. Zip 11780.

maybe we can start narrowing down the window of when D* updates the database of who gets updated...

when did you force the call that didn't work?

when did you force the call the DID work?

kroddy

09-16-2006, 04:33 PM

Forced call. No 6.3 yet zip 191xx

Me too :(

Mark Lopez

09-16-2006, 05:00 PM

So if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong.

Dude, where have you been? It takes a phone-in to 'activate' the update. All people are saying is that they are forcing a call in the hopes that their unit gets the activation. The normal dial-in can be days away since they did away with the daily calls. If you don't phone-in, either by waiting or forcing a call, you will never get it.

nc88keyz

09-16-2006, 05:03 PM

No 6.3 slices here
2 HD Tivos - Both Zippered
28412

bidger

09-16-2006, 05:06 PM

No 6.3 joy here.
Zip 149xx.

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 05:12 PM

Dude, where have you been? It takes a phone-in to 'activate' the update.

Where have I been? Well lets see. My tivo didn't call in for about 2 months prior to last thursday night, yet last thursday night it received the software (and actually it doesn't come in the form of slices.) I think I *may* know why and I *may* have a solution that will make your tivo take the update anyways if you were so inclined.

But you guys insist that I am always wrong (even if you don't even know yourself) so I probably don't have a solution.

thebarge

09-16-2006, 06:37 PM

But you guys insist that I am always wrong (even if you don't even know yourself) so I probably don't have a solution.:rolleyes: The "experts" around here have already said that the phone call is required to authorize your Tivo for the upgrade. I think I'll believe them over you, especially after your last comment. But to stay a bit more ontopic, no 6.3 love here at 346xx :(

btwyx

09-16-2006, 06:44 PM

So if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong.The evidence is overwhelmingly that a forced call can activate the upgade (which is already downloaded over the satelilte). Are you arguing this is not so?

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 06:49 PM

:rolleyes: The "experts" around here have already said that the phone call is required to authorize your Tivo for the upgrade.

Well FYI a few of those so called "experts" have obtained this information from me. Required? Yes, definitely so, at some point or another. But sitting there popping off a daily call twice a day hoping that one of them is going to get you a download won't get you anywhere.

The evidence is overwhelmingly that a forced call can activate the upgade (which is already downloaded over the satelilte). Are you arguing this is not so?

Ultimately you need two things. One of them is a peice of info stored in MFS, another is the nighly SDD after that value is stored. If you are missing either of those, then forcing a daily call won't do jack sh*t.

steven-h

09-16-2006, 06:52 PM

Well FYI a few of those so called "experts" have obtained this information from me. Required? Yes, definitely so, at some point or another. But sitting there popping off a daily call twice a day hoping that one of them is going to get you a download won't get you anywhere.

I am sure of one thing and that is I am no expert. So tell me how do I trigger the update?

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 06:59 PM

I am sure of one thing and that is I am no expert. So tell me how do I trigger the update?

Well they say I am not an expert either, so I guess I don't know.

AdamJ

09-16-2006, 07:02 PM

Received 6.3 this morning. Hope this fixes the one minute late starts too. Love the folders! Zip 94015

drew2k

09-16-2006, 07:04 PM

Well they say I am not an expert either, so I guess I don't know.Sorry, but I call BS on this answer. You can't have it both ways - either you know something, or you don't. Someone is asking for your help, but now you don't want to help because ... why? I mean, why even post here in the first place if you don't want to share what you know?

btwyx

09-16-2006, 07:10 PM

Ultimately you need two things. One of them is a peice of info stored in MFS, another is the nighly SDD after that value is stored. If you are missing either of those, then forcing a daily call won't do jack sh*t.So phoning in can upgrade your receiver.

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 07:18 PM

Sorry, but I call BS on this answer. You can't have it both ways - either you know something, or you don't.

Well since I am not an expert, I'll tell you what a non expert might know if they have been around long enough.

Way back in the day a guy named Pierre G Martineau released a tiny yet innovative little script. This script was intended for use by those directv users who did not connect the tivo to a phone line. Basically these users had no means to view the tivolution and showcases stuff. But if you executed PGM's script, and allowed a nighly data download to occur, then you'll wake up the next morning with the showcases and tivolution fully intact as if you had a permanent phone line connection. Without it on the other hand, *or* without at least one phone call, the nightly download did nothing (even though your tivo still downloaded all of the data contained in it anyways.)

Have fun.

Anubys

09-16-2006, 07:19 PM

I am sure of one thing and that is I am no expert. So tell me how do I trigger the update?

Have your Tivo perform the daily call and hope for the best...

my guess is they update the list of receivers to be upgraded each night...so I say doing the daily call once a day will eventually get you there...but doing it multiple times a day would be a waste of time...

Markman07

09-16-2006, 07:21 PM

I am wondering if they don't activate any new upgrades during the weekends. (where a phone call says OK go for it!)

MisterEd

09-16-2006, 07:36 PM

Actually "clear and delete all" solved the 1 minute late starts for me.Received 6.3 this morning. Hope this fixes the one minute late starts too. Love the folders! Zip 94015

Howie

09-16-2006, 07:47 PM

Well since I am not an expert, I'll tell you what a non expert might know if they have been around long enough.

Way back in the day a guy named Pierre G Martineau released a tiny yet innovative little script. This script was intended for use by those directv users who did not connect the tivo to a phone line. Basically these users had no means to view the tivolution and showcases stuff. But if you executed PGM's script, and allowed a nighly data download to occur, then you'll wake up the next morning with the showcases and tivolution fully intact as if you had a permanent phone line connection. Without it on the other hand, *or* without at least one phone call, the nightly download did nothing (even though your tivo still downloaded all of the data contained in it anyways.)

Have fun.

Poor baby! Someone's really hurt your feelings, haven't they? :rolleyes:

SpankyInChicago

09-16-2006, 08:21 PM

None of my three units have received the update.

:(

mr.unnatural

09-16-2006, 08:23 PM

It isn't as if the satellite can magically send a different signal to different receivers.
I guess that explains how every DTV receiver is authorized for individual programming. :rolleyes:

Way back in the day a guy named Pierre G Martineau released a tiny yet innovative little script.
While it is true that PGM is credited for writing the sc.tcl script that allowed us to get showcases on an S1 DTivo, there have been far greater advances in the Tivo hacking arena since then. IIRC, this was PGM's only foray into the area of Tivo hacking, at least that I'm aware of. I'm not trying to belittle his work because PGM did work in other areas that benefited lots of people, for which many are extremely grateful. I'm just curious why you would mention a script that was written over four years ago, especially in a forum where the vast majority of the membership probably never heard of it, or even PGM for that matter. I assume there was some sort of point to it but I believe it fell a bit short of the mark.

FWIW, I never used PGM's sc.tcl script since I could have cared less about the features it enabled. Different strokes, etc.

The evidence is overwhelmingly that a forced call can activate the upgade (which is already downloaded over the satelilte). Are you arguing this is not so?
Just having the software update downloaded into mfs won't do much unless your HDTivo is lined up in the queue when it calls home. If just forcing a daily call would get the update installed then there wouldn't be much of a need for people to use apps like the Slicer to install the update.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.unnatural
While it may be true that DTV is not distributing this over the phone line (it is coming from DTV and not Tivo, BTW),

No, its not. Your tivo fetches them off of servers owned by tivo. Look at your /var/logs.
The software is being distributed via the satellites, is it not? There is nothing to indicate that is coming via any other method. I have looked in the log files in the /var/log directory and see nothing that would indicate otherwise. Honestly, I'm not sure which log file I should be looking at or what I should be looking for so if you could point me where to look specifically I will be more than happy to confirm what you're saying.

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 08:27 PM

Poor baby! Someone's really hurt your feelings, haven't they? :rolleyes:

Yeah in fact they hurt my feelings so bad that I can't get any sleep now. :( You guys suck at the internet. :(

Here I'll tell you what. One element required resides in /State/ServiceConfig. Who has the upgrade, and who doesn't, may be partially distinguished here.

I will be more than happy to confirm what you're saying.

Why do I need you to confirm what I already know?

I'm just curious why you would mention a script that was written over four years ago, especially in a forum where the vast majority of the membership probably never heard of it, or even PGM for that matter.

Ok lets try to put two and two together for a second here. The nightly download carries lots of data in it, some relavent to your tivo, and some not. How does your tivo know what it should keep, and know what it shouldn't keep? PGM's script puts some data into MFS that tells it what it should keep. If it sees something, and it is not told to keep it, then it doesn't keep it, it just discards it.

Now think about it for a second. We all know that directv can't magically make different receivers receive different signals, yes? They all receive the same signal, they all receive the same data. So now why is it that some tivos get the data relavent to the upgrade, and some don't?

The answer is four, yes?

I guess that explains how every DTV receiver is authorized for individual programming.

Well the answer to that is yes, but since you obviously don't know why I'll fill you in. A data packet directed at one access card telling it to enable certain programming isn't sent to just that one access card. This is physically impossible. It's sent to every receiver across the continent. But only one card listens.

Brillian1080p

09-16-2006, 08:42 PM

I'm in 85937 Eastern Arizona, Mountain Time. Nothing here yet. According to way back machine whiny guy, sorry that's how you sound, I'm out of luck because "ALL" dtivo's have received the software.

Many people here do a wonderful job of explaining the hows and whys of the box.

Mr. Jeanesco please explain in technical terms why an HR10-250 would download the software upgrade and then delete it right away all on it's own.

I've been using TWP to check the MFS files the last few days. There were also many who checked every day. Every day a few more would get it. According to your beliefs what day was the cut off and why?

Without more information to back up your posts, no one will beleive what you write.

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 08:46 PM

Without more information to back up your posts, no one will beleive what you write.

Then don't.

willardcpa

09-16-2006, 08:56 PM

....But only one card listens.THAT IS TOTALLY WRONG!! Which interestingly enough is an analogy to what is happening here with you. ALL of the cards listen, only one pays attention. ;)

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 08:56 PM

THAT IS TOTALLY WRONG!! Which interestingly enough is an analogy to what is happening here with you. ALL of the cards listen, only one pays attention. ;)

:D

drew2k

09-16-2006, 08:56 PM

Then don't.I'm trying to decide if your recent posts are arrogant or condescending, but I'm torn. I think I'll call it a split.

What I have decided is that your posts remind me of the school-yard bully who stole another kid's cap, hid it, and won't tell the kid where it is but wants he other kid to guess, all for his own amusement.

I hate crap like that. :down:

willardcpa

09-16-2006, 09:00 PM

I'm trying to decide if your recent posts are arrogant or condescending, but I'm torn. I think I'll call it a split.

What I have decided is that you're like the school-yard bully who stole another kid's cap, hid it, and won't tell the kid where it is but wants he other kid to guess, all for his own amusement.

I hate crap like that. :down:Quick drew, change your avatar to a picture with you wearing a cap!!! ;)

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 09:00 PM

I'm trying to decide if your recent posts are arrogant or condescending, but I'm torn. I think I'll call it a split.

You are correct, sir.

Quick drew, change your avatar to a picture with you wearing a cap!!! ;)

He can't, I stole it before he could take a picture :D

drew2k

09-16-2006, 09:08 PM

Quick drew, change your avatar to a picture with you wearing a cap!!! ;)LOL! That's a pic I don't have! (Sidebar: My father was bald and used to always were ball caps. As a young kid, I used to think the hats made him bald, so I never wore them. I still have my hair, and my younger brother, who always wore caps, is now balding. Coincidence? Probably, but I still like my childhood theory! :D)

mr.unnatural

09-16-2006, 09:40 PM

Well the answer to that is yes, but since you obviously don't know why I'll fill you in. A data packet directed at one access card telling it to enable certain programming isn't sent to just that one access card. This is physically impossible. It's sent to every receiver across the continent. But only one card listens.
Actually, I do know why. I also understand the analogy to sc.tcl, even thought it was way out in left field. The same type of algorithm used to communicate with a single access card could easily be used to communicate with individual receivers based on the Tivo service number, Receiver ID, or similar identifier. This is most likely what is happening with the software distribution for 6.3. All receivers are getting the download but only those identified by their ID are allowed to keep it.

Why do I need you to confirm what I already know?
Then why say it in the first place? Apparently you must have wanted somebody to know or you wouldn't have said it.

You wouldn't have been David Bought in a previous life by any chance, would you? The arrogance in your tone is disturbingly familiar, although I believe he was much smarter. ;)

gregftlaud

09-16-2006, 09:43 PM

yah i've hear that same thing..wearing tight hats makes u go bald because the hats/caps somewhat cutoff blood circulation to your scalp.

why would that guy ask u to change your pic to one of you wearing a cap anyway?

cheer

09-16-2006, 09:57 PM

Actually, I do know why. I also understand the analogy to sc.tcl, even thought it was way out in left field. The same type of algorithm used to communicate with a single access card could easily be used to communicate with individual receivers based on the Tivo service number, Receiver ID, or similar identifier. This is most likely what is happening with the software distribution for 6.3. All receivers are getting the download but only those identified by their ID are allowed to keep it.
Isn't that exactly what he was saying?

The upgrade is broadcast to everyone. The HR10s that have been selected to "get" it keep the upgrade and load it into MFS. The ones that are not on the "list" yet throw it away.

I think Jeanesco's point was that repeated forcing of daily calls won't change this situation one bit.

Smthkd

09-16-2006, 10:03 PM

I still don't have the update here in Atlanta area. I have tried to force it everyday now and still no luck!!!

BillyT2002

09-16-2006, 10:05 PM

Has anyone in Maine got this update yet? I think I've forced close to ten thousand phone calls by now. ;)

nakedeye

09-16-2006, 10:14 PM

Well since I am not an expert, I'll tell you what a non expert might know if they have been around long enough.

Way back in the day a guy named Pierre G Martineau released a tiny yet innovative little script. This script was intended for use by those directv users who did not connect the tivo to a phone line. Basically these users had no means to view the tivolution and showcases stuff. But if you executed PGM's script, and allowed a nighly data download to occur, then you'll wake up the next morning with the showcases and tivolution fully intact as if you had a permanent phone line connection. Without it on the other hand, *or* without at least one phone call, the nightly download did nothing (even though your tivo still downloaded all of the data contained in it anyways.)

Have fun.

PGM did some other, well shall I say "usefull" things besides just that scrpit :eek:

chowda

09-16-2006, 10:15 PM

BillyT2002... I'm in the same boat.. probably wearing out the modem pool for maine...

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 10:36 PM

Isn't that exactly what he was saying?

The upgrade is broadcast to everyone. The HR10s that have been selected to "get" it keep the upgrade and load it into MFS. The ones that are not on the "list" yet throw it away.

I think Jeanesco's point was that repeated forcing of daily calls won't change this situation one bit.

Precisely! And also that, if properly motivated by comparing some MFS information, it may be possible to determine what tokens are stored in MFS that give the go ahead to install the software after it is received in the nightly download. I have a few ideas of where abouts to look, but am uncertain. I might look into this later (I've already gotten the upgrade so it isn't terribly pressing) on deal database.

BillyT2002

09-16-2006, 10:44 PM

I know forcing the upgrade isn't going to do diddly squat, but for some reason doing so makes me happy. So, I keep doing it. ;)

cheer

09-16-2006, 10:57 PM

I know forcing the upgrade isn't going to do diddly squat, but for some reason doing so makes me happy. So, I keep doing it. ;)
It makes me die a little inside.

Aaron3001

09-16-2006, 11:05 PM

I got nothing yet, i'm in 93063.

Correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't forcing a call after the Data update in the early morning be enough? i don't see what good is does forcing a call again. what am i missing?

mr.unnatural

09-16-2006, 11:09 PM

vphares

09-16-2006, 11:12 PM

I just returned from a week of vacation hoping I had received the update, but I have not. I'm in the 711XX zip code area.

Jeanesco

09-16-2006, 11:34 PM

The upgrade is broadcast to everyone. The HR10s that have been selected to "get" it keep the upgrade and load it into MFS. The ones that are not on the "list" yet throw it away.

I think Jeanesco's point was that repeated forcing of daily calls won't change this situation one bit.

Pretty much. It was just the way he was saying it.

...

While it may be true that DTV is not distributing this over the phone line (it is coming from DTV and not Tivo, BTW), not everyone has received the slices on their HDTivos yet. What determines who gets it is anybody's guess at this point since no one really knows for sure.

That aside, lets try this. Anybody who HAS NOT obtained the upgrade (e.g. you have checked and it is not in /SwSystem at all) do this:

echo dumpobj /State/ServiceConfig | tivosh > /var/sc.txt

Then attach (NOT PASTE) that file in this thread.

EDIT: Oops, editing mistake.

David Platt

09-16-2006, 11:51 PM

...

That aside, lets try this. Anybody who HAS NOT obtained the upgrade (e.g. you have checked and it is not in /SwSystem at all) do this:

echo dumpobj /State/ServiceConfig | tivosh > /var/sc.txt

Then attach (NOT PASTE) that file in this thread.

EDIT: Oops, editing mistake.

Here's mine from a zippered HR10 that has not yet received the update:

Jeanesco

09-17-2006, 12:00 AM

Here's mine from a zippered HR10 that has not yet received the update:

Ok and yours is making the daily call, yes?

Meanwhile keep posting. I think I may have narrowed it down but I am still not 100% sure.

Arcady

09-17-2006, 12:03 AM

There is no daily call any more.

pdawg17

09-17-2006, 12:05 AM

So I have the slices as of today but when I force a call, it just says "Succeeded"...what's up with that?

Does that mean a SDD is indeed necessary to get the upgrade installed?

SoonerDoc

09-17-2006, 12:09 AM

Only post to this thread if your machine has activated 6.3 and the first 2 digits of your zipcode is not listed on the post following this one.

we are really having some trouble reading....

David Platt

09-17-2006, 12:21 AM

Ok and yours is making the daily call, yes?

Meanwhile keep posting. I think I may have narrowed it down but I am still not 100% sure.

Nope, mine is not making the daily call. Would making a call have an effect, since it's not showing up in SwSystem?

Jeanesco

09-17-2006, 12:28 AM

Nope, mine is not making the daily call. Would making a call have an effect, since it's not showing up in SwSystem?

Force one daily call then generate that text file again and post it here.

willardcpa

09-17-2006, 01:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rminsk
Only post to this thread if your machine has activated 6.3 and the first 2 digits of your zipcode is not listed on the post following this one.

SOONERDOC said

we are really having some trouble reading....

Pardon my lack of expertise in quoting and pasting. But SoonerDoc, rminsk originally thought that the distribution would be by zip code like it had been on previous releases of new software. But after it started to come out he found that it was not - so the original intent of the thread is now a moot point the zip codes mean nothing. So the thread is being used for other purposes.

And to all of you who say that forcing a "daily call" is useless, well you are at least partially wrong. First off the calls aren't daily, they are several days apart. And as anxious as we are to get the update, if we see that our next scheduled call is two days away forcing a call will at least get it to you two days earlier. At least I know for a fact that this worked for me. Although I agree that hourly calls are probably useless, up until that one that is made just after your box hits the "list". Kind of like waiting for your tax refund to arrive in the mail, checking your mail box every hour is kind of ridiculous, but checking it daily makes sense. ;)

gregftlaud

09-17-2006, 01:13 AM

are u guys hooking up your computers to a hacked hd tivo to get into the files or something ???

ayrton911

09-17-2006, 01:18 AM

How long will it be to have everyone get the release? I really want it. :)

cheer

09-17-2006, 01:27 AM

are u guys hooking up your computers to a hacked hd tivo to get into the files or something ???
No. We're using telepathy.

willardcpa

09-17-2006, 02:04 AM

....some of us actually get sex!OK, let me check this out. It's saturday night and it's 2:00 am in ftlaud, and greg is surfing the net. Sex?, probably not. :p :D

And Chris, its past midnite your time. Get off line and get back to telneting!! Russ needs your help getting Zipper 6.3 up and running. ;) :D

Arcady

09-17-2006, 02:18 AM

No. We're using telepathy.

Heh, that's funny. (And would probably work better than the screwed up USB200M I have with the busted ethernet connector...) :D

ShadowImg

09-17-2006, 03:53 AM

Received the 6.3 update tonight in zipcode 63xxx. Sitting and waiting to be installed.

Name Type FsId Date Time Size
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 850 03/14/05 17:41 700
6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 462862 09/17/06 07:41 768
ACTIVE tyDb 850 03/14/05 17:41 700

boylan

09-17-2006, 04:01 AM

...
That aside, lets try this. Anybody who HAS NOT obtained the upgrade (e.g. you have checked and it is not in /SwSystem at all) do this:

echo dumpobj /State/ServiceConfig | tivosh > /var/sc.txt

Then attach (NOT PASTE) that file in this thread.

EDIT: Oops, editing mistake.

Mine has not received the update and has not called in for at least a year - maybe even two.

My output is attached and is MUCH smaller than the earlier one.

SecureTalk

09-17-2006, 04:22 AM

we are really having some trouble reading....

Only post to this thread if your machine has activated 6.3 and the first 2 digits of your zip code is not listed on the post following this one.

SoonerDoc, You beat me to this lack of following a simple request. Why make the job harder for rminsk, to keep the Zip-Code up to date. Now rminsk, has to wade through all the BS about people stating this is my zip and I do not have 6.3 yet. We all know which zips have it and which don't just by looking at the start of the thread.

Keep it simple for rminsk, and ONLY post with your zip if you get the update and it's not already in the list.

We can start a thread with a list of zips that do not have the update yet it makes you guys that can not follow a simple request, feel better.

Sorry for the rant, but all the static does should be in another thread.

pdawg17

09-17-2006, 10:47 AM

bjuliano

09-17-2006, 11:31 AM

hiker

09-17-2006, 11:41 AM

I saw a few others post with the same issue, but I didn't see any updates on whether they got the upgrade to happen successfully.

I saw the pending restart message this morning, forced a reboot and the Tivo said it was upgrading. After the reboot, it came up on the old software. I tried forcing another call, but it's still stuck on the old version.

This is on a stock unit with no upgrades or hacks.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

-Bryan
It sounds like the upgrade process has failed most probably due to a failing hard drive. The new software is installed on a separate partition and that physical area on the hard dive might be bad. If this is the case, you will need to replace the hard drive.

SpankyInChicago

09-17-2006, 12:45 PM

we are really having some trouble reading....

Welcome to the Internet. You must be new here.

:rolleyes:

StickyC

09-17-2006, 12:47 PM

And also as far as I can tell, *everybody* with an HR10-250 has received this to their hard drive during the nightly download on thursday night (if your tivo was off that night then it got it the next night, and they continue to distribute it each night for I don't know how long.) Whether or not your tivo installed the upgrade that day is another thing entirely, and I am unaware what determines this.

Something I've not seen talked about that may be a factor - connection quality on the downlink. Since the data download is certainly not 100% error free (remember, it's not a two-way system, if you get a bad packet, you can't ask for it again), I'd imagine that most people weren't lucky enough to get the entire upgrade 100% error-free in the first pass. For some folks, it may take many (many many?) passes before they actually get the entire software package and can update.

I'd bet even then, there's probably more than a few who will miss it entirely and have to get the missing packets via phone (which I would think D* would not activate until they stop streaming the packets over the satellites).

SpankyInChicago

09-17-2006, 12:49 PM

SoonerDoc, You beat me to this lack of following a simple request. Why make the job harder for rminsk, to keep the Zip-Code up to date. Now rminsk, has to wade through all the BS about people stating this is my zip and I do not have 6.3 yet. We all know which zips have it and which don't just by looking at the start of the thread.

Keep it simple for rminsk, and ONLY post with your zip if you get the update and it's not already in the list.

We can start a thread with a list of zips that do not have the update yet it makes you guys that can not follow a simple request, feel better.

Sorry for the rant, but all the static does should be in another thread.

Other than the fact that zip code is absolutely meaningless in terms of whether or not you have received the update, GREAT POINT!

(IOW: the original purpose of this thread has proven meaningless - there is no reason for rminsk to keep the list up to date as zip has nothing to do with who receives the updates)

DennisMileHi

09-17-2006, 01:50 PM

Received 6.3 on one of my two Tivos Friday night. Mountain Time Zone: 80111. Much faster.

I've got to do some more checking but the quick codes to get to various Tivo functions like Season Pass appear to be different. My Pronto doesn't end up in the right places any more.

ShadowImg

09-17-2006, 02:04 PM

Did yours get installed? When I force a call, it doesn't activate...it just says "Succeeded"...

I don't have a phone line at my house, so I can't do much until I figure out how to activate it and keep the network functional.

Waiting for them to fix that nifty slicer app, but if that doesn't happen soon I suspect I'll just figure out how to do it on my own (hey, i'm a unix engineering in all senses, it can't be THAT hard, right?)

Adam1115

09-17-2006, 02:20 PM

I don't have a phone line at my house, so I can't do much until I figure out how to activate it and keep the network functional.

Waiting for them to fix that nifty slicer app, but if that doesn't happen soon I suspect I'll just figure out how to do it on my own (hey, i'm a unix engineering in all senses, it can't be THAT hard, right?)

..or just use PPP, it's pretty easy.

http://www.tivohelp.com/archive/tivohelp.swiki.net/45.html

JoeSchueller

09-17-2006, 05:35 PM

PGM did some other, well shall I say "usefull" things besides just that scrpit :eek:

Amen brother.

Jeanesco

09-17-2006, 08:14 PM

Something I've not seen talked about that may be a factor - connection quality on the downlink. Since the data download is certainly not 100% error free (remember, it's not a two-way system, if you get a bad packet, you can't ask for it again), I'd imagine that most people weren't lucky enough to get the entire upgrade 100% error-free in the first pass. For some folks, it may take many (many many?) passes before they actually get the entire software package and can update.

Well I have captured the complete SDD broadcast and it actually contains several payloads of the same data repeated over and over again (each payload containing numerous slice.gz files,) then after it finishes it does some kind of data cleanup, so I doubt that.

Brillian1080p

09-17-2006, 08:58 PM

mdegner

09-18-2006, 12:47 AM

Here's a thought..

I've been watching my /var/log/svclog lately hoping to see something regarding the 6.3 data download. Instead, I saw a lot of IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP. That got me to thinking, how does the tivo know which group its in? My tivo hadn't made a call in probably 9 months or so, so I removed all the fakecall stuff and forced a call. The DataGroupList in my /State/ServiceConfig changed dramatically. Below is the new listing. I wonder if the references to SC_directv[bcghik] are the triggers to make it download the update? Or maybe SW_released?

Now getting it to install may be another story..

> DataGroupList = BS_standard BS_standard_357 CP_Standard {CR_DTVSeason Pass} CR_nielsen DG_combo DG_combo_hd DG_standard {MI_Fantasy Football CBS Sports PMI} MI_MagRack20060917 MI_NFLShortcuts20060920 MI_PG20060911 MI_ShowcasesMenuItem MI_Startz20060911 MI_nielsen SC_directvb SC_directvc SC_directvg SC_directvh SC_directvi SC_directvk SF_IntersilDownload SF_SerialLogging SH_nielsen SI_TvSec SW_released

Jeanesco

09-18-2006, 12:59 AM

Jeanesco stated the following,

"Here I'll tell you what. One element required resides in /State/ServiceConfig. Who has the upgrade, and who doesn't, may be partially distinguished here."

What's the element?

Here's a thought..

I've been watching my /var/log/svclog lately hoping to see something regarding the 6.3 data download. Instead, I saw a lot of IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP. That got me to thinking, how does the tivo know which group its in? My tivo hadn't made a call in probably 9 months or so, so I removed all the fakecall stuff and forced a call. The DataGroupList in my /State/ServiceConfig changed dramatically. Below is the new listing. I wonder if the references to SC_directv[bcghik] are the triggers to make it download the update? Or maybe SW_released?

Now getting it to install may be another story..

> DataGroupList = BS_standard BS_standard_357 CP_Standard {CR_DTVSeason Pass} CR_nielsen DG_combo DG_combo_hd DG_standard {MI_Fantasy Football CBS Sports PMI} MI_MagRack20060917 MI_NFLShortcuts20060920 MI_PG20060911 MI_ShowcasesMenuItem MI_Startz20060911 MI_nielsen SC_directvb SC_directvc SC_directvg SC_directvh SC_directvi SC_directvk SF_IntersilDownload SF_SerialLogging SH_nielsen SI_TvSec SW_released

Yes this is mainly what I am looking at, but I don't think it is the only element involved. If you look at the PGM script I mentioned, it deals specifically with these group tokens, which is exactly why I mentioned it. I can't really draw any conclusions until I see a /State/ServiceConfig object dump from at least two or more people who have made a phone in recently (and I need the whole dump, not just the datagrouplist attribute.) However nobody has posted any yet.

I have a very strong feeling that those who don't even have it dbloaded into MFS (e.g. visible in /SwSystem) are just plain doing something wrong.

newsposter

09-18-2006, 08:18 AM

all this techo speak and how it's sent to us etc has me lost. But can someone tell me how understanding it would help me get 6.3 faster?

mdegner

09-18-2006, 09:00 AM

mdegner

09-18-2006, 09:11 AM

all this techo speak and how it's sent to us etc has me lost. But can someone tell me how understanding it would help me get 6.3 faster?

If we can determine which group attribute allows your Tivo to download the 6.3 service data, you may be able to force the install with a modified installSw.itcl.

JoeSchueller

09-18-2006, 09:30 AM

hiker

09-18-2006, 09:56 AM

These are the events as I see the process working:
1. TiVo authorizes your box service number to receive the S/W upgrade.
2. Next daily phone call downloads the group token (name unknown?) and stores the object in /State/ServiceConfig.
3. Next service download from sat stream at 2:00am sees that you are authorized for the upgrade based on the group token obtained in step #2 and downloads slices and stores in MFS /SwSystem.
4. Next daily phone call starts the upgrade process and sets the status to "pending restart".
5. Reboot, either natually at 2:00am or forced, installs the S/W upgrade.

So if my scenario is correct it takes 2 phone calls to get the process going.

mdegner

09-18-2006, 10:02 AM

So to recap... the series of theoretical events is:

1) D* authorizes the card in the HR10 to download the code
2) Some period of time later D* authorizes the code to install
3) The next nightly call authorizes the installation
4) After the next restart - viola 6.3

Right? I'm assuming you don't need the nightly call to authorize the download, D* can initiate that without the nightly call by simply authorizing your card to get it. However, the call is necessary to get the authorization to install & restart, right?

I'm speculating here, but that's not how it appears to me. From what I've been able to gather, the Tivo downloads Service Data when it is in an authorized group.
Be it advertising clips, or showcases, or software installation, if it is not in the group, it doesn't download. This explains why I was seeing so much IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP. The things my Tivo was ignoring suddenly downloaded after the forced service call and the change in DataGroupList. That includes the software update.

The other thing that makes me question that DirecTV is controlling who gets to downloads the update is that there has been discussion regarding the upgrade being related to Service Number. Since Tivo authorizes the installation of the software, it doesn't seem to me that the Card identifier would play any part of this. You may not be authorized to install it, but it may already be present on your system.

cheer

09-18-2006, 10:27 AM

I'm speculating here, but that's not how it appears to me. From what I've been able to gather, the Tivo downloads Service Data when it is in an authorized group.
Be it advertising clips, or showcases, or software installation, if it is not in the group, it doesn't download. This explains why I was seeing so much IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP. The things my Tivo was ignoring suddenly downloaded after the forced service call and the change in DataGroupList. That includes the software update.
I'm nitpicking maybe...but ALL the DTivos download EVERYTHING. They simply throw away what they don't think they're supposed to keep (IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP). Satellite is a broadcast technology.

mdegner

09-18-2006, 10:37 AM

I'm nitpicking maybe...but ALL the DTivos download EVERYTHING. They simply throw away what they don't think they're supposed to keep (IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP). Satellite is a broadcast technology.

Yes, I agree. What I mean by download is keep and put in MFS.

hiker

09-18-2006, 10:57 AM

cheer

09-18-2006, 11:09 AM

So to keep the slices download and put in MFS, the group token name if can be determined, could be plugged into SC.TCL script and this could force the upgrade to happen? Is this an over-simplification?
That more or less captures it. There may be some other items that need to be stuffed into MFS as well, but that should be doable; the trick is identifying everything.

cheer

09-18-2006, 11:10 AM

Yes, I agree. What I mean by download is keep and put in MFS.
Right, OK, we're saying the same thing. I hadn't had my caffeine yet. :)

David Platt

09-18-2006, 11:17 AM

Yes this is mainly what I am looking at, but I don't think it is the only element involved. If you look at the PGM script I mentioned, it deals specifically with these group tokens, which is exactly why I mentioned it. I can't really draw any conclusions until I see a /State/ServiceConfig object dump from at least two or more people who have made a phone in recently (and I need the whole dump, not just the datagrouplist attribute.) However nobody has posted any yet.

I have a very strong feeling that those who don't even have it dbloaded into MFS (e.g. visible in /SwSystem) are just plain doing something wrong.

I'd love to help you out here, but I just can't do it. I've got problem with my Vonage that prevent me from making a daily call.

Of course, it's been years since I've investigated it and I can't really remember-- is it possible to make a daily call on a DirecTiVo using the network instead of a phoneline?

hiker

09-18-2006, 11:20 AM

I'd love to help you out here, but I just can't do it. I've got problem with my Vonage that prevent me from making a daily call.

Of course, it's been years since I've investigated it and I can't really remember-- is it possible to make a daily call on a DirecTiVo using the network instead of a phoneline?
Yes, see the post here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4383184&&#post4383184).

mdegner

09-18-2006, 11:29 AM

Right, OK, we're saying the same thing. I hadn't had my caffeine yet. :)

No worries, I just tend to make certain assumptions and not clarify my terminology.

Though in one case where the DTivo downloads data in the traditional computing sense of the word is in the not-quite-daily call. When I was perusing through my /var/log/svclog I noticed that data comes from different sources. If I remember right, there was SOURCE=phone and SOURCE=plany (which I think means satellite). When I made the daily call last night I received service data over the phone line for things like Showcases and Yellow Stars.

Unfortunately my HDTivo was rebooted last night per the Zipper script, and my svclog file was wiped. It would be interesting to see what the log data looks like at various stages, NOT_IN_GROUP, then a phone call adding the group to the unit, then the download of the service data.

There's no point to this, really, I'm just wondering aloud.

ericlovestivo

09-18-2006, 11:43 AM

Since it's Monday and there will probably be a new batch of serial numbers added to the upgrade list today, I'm anxiously awaiting the first post here from someone that a new call today was successful in installing 6.3.

tiggermanh

09-18-2006, 12:01 PM

My HD tivo received the update Sunday morning at 2am.

Lastnight, I checked the system status and saw it was pending restart, I manually rebooted the TIVO and received 6.3.

The only changes I had to make were the ordering of the now playing list and setup my favorite channel list.

I took photos of the process.

tiggermanh

09-18-2006, 12:01 PM

Remaining two photos.

newsposter

09-18-2006, 12:31 PM

anyone ever figure out what P-: means?

tiggermanh

09-18-2006, 12:35 PM

Nope, but I couldnt remember what it said there before though.

dv8

09-18-2006, 01:47 PM

mine is still on 3.1.5f and after 'DIRECTV Account Status:' where his says 'DVR Service Level' mine does not have that it has 'Services/Features:' and then 'Tuner List:' before getting to 'Recording Capacity:'... There is no 'DVR Service Level:' on the 3.1.5f Ver.

To add: I see his now says 'Platform: Series2' which is also new

TiVoLurker

09-18-2006, 03:35 PM

So still at 3.1.5f here as well with an unhacked box, so can't even see if I have downloaded the software. A little obsessive with forcing calls, too.

I have been watching these threads since July and had hoped to be one of the first to post that I had received 6.3. Now I am shooting to be the LAST to receive it! Here's to being last!!!! Woohoo!

Jeanesco

09-18-2006, 03:44 PM

Something even more interesting.. After I forced the call last night to reset my ServiceConfig attributes, I now have 6.3 awaiting me in MFS. For those of you that haven't called in for some time, and still don't have 6.3, try forcing a call to see if that helps.

You know, I think I see whats going on here. It is very likely that everybody who doesn't see 6.3 dbloaded into /SwSystem is just doing something wrong somewhere. They probably reimaged or did a C&DE or something recently that caused the SW_released token (as well as a few others) to be lost. Thus when the SDD comes around their tivo discards the 6.3 slices instead of dbloading them.

If you do have those tokens set (they expire every six months or so I believe, see the expiration attribute (I haven't figured the actual numbers out so I don't know the exact time,) which if the case means that if you don't make a call at least every six months you lose them) via either the phone in or otherwise, you will get 6.3 dbloaded into MFS after the SDD no matter what. Which would mean every properly setup tivo should already have 6.3 listed in /SwSystem.

Now here's where things should start to differ a bit. After you make another phone in, if at the head end tivo determines that you should take the update, it will go ahead and and issue you a runme script that will trigger the update to actually occur. Otherwise if you aren't supposed to upgrade yet, 6.3 just sits there in /SwSystem forever and doesn't ever do anything.

This is all hypothetical granted, but I think this is what is going on. You can however at your option force your tivo to take the update before its time anyways, vis a vis using the installsw script.

rminsk

09-18-2006, 03:45 PM

As far as I can determine, tivo is not distributing this upgrade over the phone line under any circumstances, and in fact is sending it exclusively via the nightly service data download for the time being (this will no doubt change in the future, but probably not for another few weeks or a few months.)Incorrect... the software is available over the phone line. One of my machines upgraded over the phone line on the first day. I know it was over the phone because the unit in question has not been hooked up to the satellite for over a month. So if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong.I'm glad you know the distribution process so well and you can draw proper conculsions.

mobilelawyer

09-18-2006, 03:56 PM

For those who have the 6.3 release installed, exactly how do your settings read?

Jeanesco

09-18-2006, 04:01 PM

Incorrect... the software is available over the phone line. One of my machines upgraded over the phone line on the first day. I know it was over the phone because the unit in question has not been hooked up to the satellite for over a month. I'm glad you know the distribution process so well and you can draw proper conculsions.

I think either you are lieing or it was somehow able to receive an SDD. Namely because tivo isn't issuing the FLY-3 key group, and without that key your tivo couldn't decrypt the swsystem slice even if it wanted to.

hiker

09-18-2006, 04:17 PM

rminsk,
In the past when software upgrades have downloaded thru the phone, it has taken a long time like an hour or more. Did yours do that?

Brillian1080p

09-18-2006, 04:19 PM

rminsk

09-18-2006, 04:21 PM

rminsk,
In the past when software upgrades have downloaded thru the phone, it has taken a long time like an hour or more. Did yours do that?About an hour and a half.

mdegner

09-18-2006, 04:38 PM

Jeanesco, do you disagree with the posters who have been told the rollout takes place over a two or three week period? Not that dtv csrs are a fountain correct info.

My box was zippered a few weeks ago and isn't connected to a phone line. I don't have 6.3 sitting in the MFS file system.

Not that I'm speaking for him, but what I think Jeanesco is saying that every unit should have the software in MFS, but it won't install until it is triggered. The rollout picks units to install the software that is already in MFS.

You may have the same problem that I did with a zippered unit. I had a zippered box with fakecall, and there was nothing in MFS. Last night I removed fakecall, reinstated the routes to Tivo, made a call, and the update was waiting in MFS for me this morning. For experiments sake, you could try the same thing and see if it dbloads the software update tomorrow morning.

snooplives

09-18-2006, 04:50 PM

11701 - Amityville, NY

scab

09-18-2006, 05:01 PM

I am in 60302 and nothing yet!!

hiker

09-18-2006, 05:02 PM

Not that I'm speaking for him, but what I think Jeanesco is saying that every unit should have the software in MFS, but it won't install until it is triggered. The rollout picks units to install the software that is already in MFS.

You may have the same problem that I did with a zippered unit. I had a zippered box with fakecall, and there was nothing in MFS. Last night I removed fakecall, reinstated the routes to Tivo, made a call, and the update was waiting in MFS for me this morning. For experiments sake, you could try the same thing and see if it dbloads the software update tomorrow morning.
So it looks like your unit did not download the slices via the phone like rminsk's did?

mdegner

09-18-2006, 05:07 PM

So it looks like your unit did not download the slices via the phone like rminsk's did?

Mine? No, the phone call wasn't more than 10 minutes, and the only thing I noticed immediately after was that the SDD for Yellow Stars and Showcases had been downloaded. My slices came via satellite.

I was just able to recover my svclog file from the log backup, and this is what it says-

aval_file TCD_ID=35700015012ADC5 CALL_ID=1158552201 TIME=1158568932 AVAL_ID=0000346100002A3C FILE_NAME=GZcore-78227699-2.slice.gz FILE_STATUS=SUCCESS SRC=plany
aval_file TCD_ID=35700015012ADC5 CALL_ID=1158552201 TIME=1158568939 AVAL_ID=0000346100002A3C FILE_NAME=GZhpk-Series2-78227703-2.slice.gz FILE_STATUS=SUCCESS SRC=plany
aval_file TCD_ID=35700015012ADC5 CALL_ID=1158552201 TIME=1158568948 AVAL_ID=0000346100002A3C FILE_NAME=GZkernel-Series2-78227701-2.slice.gz FILE_STATUS=SUCCESS SRC=plany
aval_file TCD_ID=35700015012ADC5 CALL_ID=1158552201 TIME=1158568952 AVAL_ID=0000346100002A3C FILE_NAME=SC-fantasy_dtvATT_CBS_Sports_Wk2_SC-e13413-r13405-v7.slice.gz FILE_STATUS=SUCCESS SRC=plany
aval_file TCD_ID=35700015012ADC5 CALL_ID=1158552201 TIME=1158568955 AVAL_ID=0000346100002A3C FILE_NAME=utils-78227697-2.slice.gz FILE_STATUS=SUCCESS SRC=plany

The thing that is stumping me now is through all the IGNORE_NOT_IN_GROUP messages I had before, there was no reference to the GZ*Series2 slices.

willardcpa

09-18-2006, 05:53 PM

.....By the way the term "Headend" is usually used by insiders who are familiar with the industry.....Don't proctologists use that term to refer to the non-business end??? :D

pdawg17

09-18-2006, 06:10 PM

Not that I'm speaking for him, but what I think Jeanesco is saying that every unit should have the software in MFS, but it won't install until it is triggered. The rollout picks units to install the software that is already in MFS.

You may have the same problem that I did with a zippered unit. I had a zippered box with fakecall, and there was nothing in MFS. Last night I removed fakecall, reinstated the routes to Tivo, made a call, and the update was waiting in MFS for me this morning. For experiments sake, you could try the same thing and see if it dbloads the software update tomorrow morning.

FYI, I did not remove fakecall and still got the slices (I made the other changes though)...

rminsk

09-18-2006, 07:22 PM

David Platt

09-18-2006, 07:43 PM

Force one daily call then generate that text file again and post it here.

Here you go-- turned into an all day project. First I had to remember how to get it to make the call via the network, then I had to re-zipper the box after the daily call made it upgrade from 3.1.5 to 3.1.5f. ;)

superdavex

09-18-2006, 08:12 PM

23322,

Had the slices, tried forcing a call every morning and night since it was first released and it never loaded.

Just finished loading it manualy.

Works great, although I have a lot of season passes and I really dont see a big difference in the speed of adding new ones.

,Dave

no-blue-screen

09-18-2006, 08:33 PM

Is there anyone that has an unhacked 6.3 image that would be willing to get it to me? In return, I would be willing to help you out in any way that I can...hint....I have a paypal accout :). Please PM me if you can help.

jstang

09-18-2006, 08:37 PM

Still no upgrade in 43xxx. Last successful call was tonight at 5:50.

boylan

09-18-2006, 08:48 PM

Due to a bug in the 6.3 software with the 72.5 and 95 degree satellite the rollout of 6.3 has been put on hold. This will most likely mean a new version of the software will be distributed (maybe 6.3.1 or 6.3a) and the rollout will start again. We hope to find out more about the rollout schedule as soon as they fix the 72.5 and 95 degree satellite problem.
Wow. So if we don't have 6.3 yet - we're not going to get it until 6.3.1 or whatever is released? That sucks for us who don't use those sats and haven't been upgraded yet.

ShiningBengal

09-18-2006, 08:53 PM

Due to a bug in the 6.3 software with the 72.5 and 95 degree satellite the rollout of 6.3 has been put on hold. This will most likely mean a new version of the software will be distributed (maybe 6.3.1 or 6.3a) and the rollout will start again. We hope to find out more about the rollout schedule as soon as they fix the 72.5 and 95 degree satellite problem.

What would be the point of halting the rollout for units not requiring access to those satellites? Surely DirecTV knows where all the units are located. :confused:

no-blue-screen

09-18-2006, 08:53 PM

Yeah, time to play the waiting game again :(

I am really starting to get tired of D*

I wanted to get this out of the way as soon as possible...but now they put it on hold again. Who gives a hoot about those sats....I mean they can tell by location which subs have them and which don't...so why totally halt the roll out? The only other reason I can think of is that they don't want to have to do two roll-outs....so they wait for the update and just roll that out...whatever...I am so peeed...I am thinking about calling comcast :o

Jeanesco

09-18-2006, 09:00 PM

Here you go-- turned into an all day project. First I had to remember how to get it to make the call via the network, then I had to re-zipper the box after the daily call made it upgrade from 3.1.5 to 3.1.5f. ;)

Check to see if 6.3 ends up in /SwSystem after tonight. I kinda doubt it will now that this whole 72.5W mess has come about, but it still may anyways. If it does then that will definitely prove my theory, even though they probably won't ever send you the runme to install it.

Adam1115

09-19-2006, 01:09 AM

Jeanesco

09-19-2006, 02:54 AM

Jeanesco, do you disagree with the posters who have been told the rollout takes place over a two or three week period?

I really don't know to be honest.

My box was zippered a few weeks ago and isn't connected to a phone line. I don't have 6.3 sitting in the MFS file system.

Naturally.

By the way the term "Headend" is usually used by insiders who are familiar with the industry. I installed and tested fiber optics for about 25 years and I only heard that term from people who work for cable companies. I've never been in a satellite headend, but I assume they are not much different.

No I am not an insider. Nor am I an engineer or anything...more like a reverse engineer with a ten minute degree if anything. The reason I say headend is because there are really several parts to this upgrade process that occurs over the SDD. One is tivos servers, and the other is directv's broadcast. Both parts are integral to it, and that is just the word I happened to choose to describe them collectively.

But if you are feeling adventurous, try this (no phone in required at all, in fact don't phone in so that I can test my theory here,) and then see if you have 6.3 in /SwSystem the following morning. Thoroughly untested, use at own risk, read the scripts contents so that you know what it does before trying it, etc. (course if 6.3 is removed from the SDD then this is all moot anyways, but nonetheless...)

Jeanesco

09-19-2006, 03:34 AM

thepackfan

09-19-2006, 06:35 AM

Check to see if 6.3 ends up in /SwSystem after tonight. I kinda doubt it will now that this whole 72.5W mess has come about, but it still may anyways. If it does then that will definitely prove my theory, even though they probably won't ever send you the runme to install it.

Well , they were still sending it out last night, I got mine on the one machine I forced a call on, it was the only unit of 3 zipopered that got it in MFS.

newsposter

09-19-2006, 08:14 AM

What would be the point of halting the rollout for units not requiring access to those satellites? Surely DirecTV knows where all the units are located. :confused:

yes that doesn't make sense at all. How hard (assuming the info provided is valid) would it be to segregate who does/doesn't get it?

cheer

09-19-2006, 08:51 AM

yes that doesn't make sense at all. How hard (assuming the info provided is valid) would it be to segregate who does/doesn't get it?
You're kidding, right? What are the chances that the CSRs would ever understand a partial rollout? Could you imagine the support calls?

Besides, it seems as though there may be other issues with the code that affect more than just users of those two sats.

David Platt

09-19-2006, 10:33 AM

Check to see if 6.3 ends up in /SwSystem after tonight. I kinda doubt it will now that this whole 72.5W mess has come about, but it still may anyways. If it does then that will definitely prove my theory, even though they probably won't ever send you the runme to install it.

Directory listing of /SwSystem
Name Type Id Date Time Size
3.1.5-01-2-357 tyDb 3244 09/18/06 12:44 676
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 92307 09/18/06 12:44 700
6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 97090 09/19/06 02:56 768
ACTIVE tyDb 92307 09/18/06 12:44 700

Pab Sungenis

09-19-2006, 10:55 AM

Well , they were still sending it out last night, I got mine on the one machine I forced a call on, it was the only unit of 3 zipopered that got it in MFS.

It's a two-day process for most unhacked users, unless you force a call and a reboot.

When your TiVo calls the mothership, if it's in the group flagged to update, it gets the signal, prepares for the update, and sets the "pending restart" flag.

Unless you catch that and manually reboot the receiver, it won't reboot by itself until 2 AM the next day.

So, they aren't necessarily continuing the rollout. You may have gotten the update flag before they un-threw the switch.

Brillian1080p

09-19-2006, 12:56 PM

boylan

09-19-2006, 01:07 PM

But if you are feeling adventurous, try this (no phone in required at all, in fact don't phone in so that I can test my theory here,) and then see if you have 6.3 in /SwSystem the following morning. Thoroughly untested, use at own risk, read the scripts contents so that you know what it does before trying it, etc. (course if 6.3 is removed from the SDD then this is all moot anyways, but nonetheless...)

I tried your script - transferred in binary mode - and got this output before it rebooted:

bash-2.02# dgl.tcl
Tmk Assertion Failure:
Init, line 96 ()
Tmk Fatal Error: Thread tivosh <401> died due to signal -2
d1fbd0 d1fdac c7b5cc c74eb4 c6c2a4 cccd28 ca4008 d01ee8 cccd28 ca4008 c6e190 c6c
2a4 cccd28 ca4008 d02894 cccd28 ca4008 ceec90 cf24bc c6a500 400778 e23e50

Connection to host lost.

Just to be sure, I checked echo dumpobj /State/ServiceConfig | tivosh after reboot and got the same out put I got before in post 385 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4382259&&#post4382259) . After reboot, everything appears to be fine, so no major damage was caused.

I could just force a call - but I'm willing to try a few things first if you'd prefer to test this out.

Anubys

09-19-2006, 01:10 PM

Jeanesco

09-19-2006, 01:32 PM

The packfan, what did you do to keep the upgrade from going farther than just downloading to the MFS directory/file system on your zippered unit?

I'm still confused, everybody has a different opinion.

Mine has fakecall set and I haven't forced a call because many here have said it comes from the satellite. As of now I don't have the upgrade. I've also been waiting for the slicer problems to be worked out.

Try the script I posted.

I tried your script - transferred in binary mode - and got this output before it rebooted:

bash-2.02# dgl.tcl
Tmk Assertion Failure:
Init, line 96 ()
Tmk Fatal Error: Thread tivosh <401> died due to signal -2
d1fbd0 d1fdac c7b5cc c74eb4 c6c2a4 cccd28 ca4008 d01ee8 cccd28 ca4008 c6e190 c6c
2a4 cccd28 ca4008 d02894 cccd28 ca4008 ceec90 cf24bc c6a500 400778 e23e50

Connection to host lost.

Just to be sure, I checked echo dumpobj /State/ServiceConfig | tivosh after reboot and got the same out put I got before in post 385 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4382259&&#post4382259) . After reboot, everything appears to be fine, so no major damage was caused.

I could just force a call - but I'm willing to try a few things first if you'd prefer to test this out.

There is no chance of any data corruption. What I think is happening here is that tivoapp is having some kind of problem commiting the changes to the database because something somewhere is misconfigured, so instead of even trying it just bombs out and reboots. There can be a range of things that may cause this. The most probable of which is that you don't have all of your environment variables set at the time that you are running that script.

I don't know exactly which ones are necessary but I would guess that you *may* run into some problems if the following aren't set:

declare -x DBLOAD_HANDCRAFT="true"
declare -x HANDCRAFT="TRUE"
declare -x HOME="/"
declare -x MFS_DEVICE="/dev/hda10"
declare -x TIVO_REMOTE="TIVO"
declare -x TIVO_ROOT=""

gfb107

09-19-2006, 01:58 PM

Jeanesco

09-19-2006, 02:00 PM

If you don't already have the slices, a call might authorize your unit to store them when they are transmitted over the satellite tonight. A call can't cause them to be installed, because they aren't there yet.

If you do have the slices, a call might cause your unit to install them.

This is exactly what I am telling everybody, but some people here think they are experts and believe otherwise based on absolutely nothing.

boylan

09-19-2006, 02:05 PM

I don't know exactly which ones are necessary but I would guess that you *may* run into some problems if the following aren't set:
declare -x DBLOAD_HANDCRAFT="true"
declare -x HANDCRAFT="TRUE"
declare -x HOME="/"
declare -x MFS_DEVICE="/dev/hda10"
declare -x TIVO_REMOTE="TIVO"
declare -x TIVO_ROOT=""

I tried issuing those commands, but when I ran dgl.tcl again, I got the same error. You don't have to keep troubleshooting this if its outside the scope of what you're trying here, but if you want to keep poking around, I'll hold off on making a call until we get this fixed.

Anubys

09-19-2006, 02:36 PM

This is exactly what I am telling everybody, but some people here think they are experts and believe otherwise based on absolutely nothing.

do you think you can find a way to make a post without sounding so abrasive? I don't the reason for your attitude...

cheer

09-19-2006, 04:17 PM

do you think you can find a way to make a post without sounding so abrasive? I don't the reason for your attitude...
Because occasionally, trying to inform and help around here is like driving a spike into one's own forehead. Witness the legions of people convinced that you MUST make a call in order to get/keep the slices, despite posts/evidence to the contrary.

Just yesterday I gave some assistance to some nitwit who proceeded to tell me that he needed a link or detailed instructions because he didn't have a lot of time on his hands. Not likely he'll get help again.

Being nice gets you piled on around here. Some have the intestinal fortitude to endure it pleasantly, I suppose. I don't, and neither (it would appear) does Jeanesco, who absolutely knows what he is talking about, and no, I don't care whether you accept my word on that or not.

Think of it this way: if you were on a casual weather forum (meaning not hard-core meteorology, and let's be honest, the "Underground" isn't exactly hard core) and mentioned something about the Sun general rising in the east, only to have people question that statement because they're certain they saw it rise in the west once, etc. etc...you'd either call them all idiots or you'd leave.

Now I'm not suggesting that there's a direct equivalency, here. But much of what Jeanesco has posted has been common knowledge for quite some time, and I expect he isn't interested in defending that.

btwyx

09-19-2006, 04:52 PM

Because occasionally, trying to inform and help around here is like driving a spike into one's own forehead. Witness the legions of people convinced that you MUST make a call in order to get/keep the slices, despite posts/evidence to the contrary.I haven't seen any of that. I have seen people (like me) who say a phone call wil force activation of 6.3 (if you have the slices) and then the people arguing that slices don't come down the phone. I don't know why there's an argument over this. There is no conflict there.

cheer

09-19-2006, 04:59 PM

I can't comment on what you may or may not have seen, but there's been multiple posts on the subject.

Forget it. It's not worth it.

Anubys

09-19-2006, 05:03 PM

Because occasionally, trying to inform and help around here is like driving a spike into one's own forehead. Witness the legions of people convinced that you MUST make a call in order to get/keep the slices, despite posts/evidence to the contrary.

Just yesterday I gave some assistance to some nitwit who proceeded to tell me that he needed a link or detailed instructions because he didn't have a lot of time on his hands. Not likely he'll get help again.

Being nice gets you piled on around here. Some have the intestinal fortitude to endure it pleasantly, I suppose. I don't, and neither (it would appear) does Jeanesco, who absolutely knows what he is talking about, and no, I don't care whether you accept my word on that or not.

Think of it this way: if you were on a casual weather forum (meaning not hard-core meteorology, and let's be honest, the "Underground" isn't exactly hard core) and mentioned something about the Sun general rising in the east, only to have people question that statement because they're certain they saw it rise in the west once, etc. etc...you'd either call them all idiots or you'd leave.

Now I'm not suggesting that there's a direct equivalency, here. But much of what Jeanesco has posted has been common knowledge for quite some time, and I expect he isn't interested in defending that.

that's fine...he can be smart and an expert and all that...but his posts are not helpful, they are condescending and simply scream "I'm smart and you're not"...I've learned nothing from his posts...if he's not going to help because everyone else is an idiot...great...but maybe he can spare us his silly posts reminding us of how much smarter he is than the rest of us...

let me be blunt: either be helpful, or don't post...it doesn't hurt to be nice...

BrettStah

09-19-2006, 05:09 PM

Why is all of this talk of hacking being done in this thread, by the way? It's cluttering things up... shouldn't it go in the Upgrade or Underground forums?

ShiningBengal

09-19-2006, 05:19 PM

You're kidding, right? What are the chances that the CSRs would ever understand a partial rollout? Could you imagine the support calls?

Besides, it seems as though there may be other issues with the code that affect more than just users of those two sats.

What are you talking about? What we have NOW is a partial rollout! The vast majority of owner of HR10's have no notion at all about v 6.3. Those who do got it either here or on the DBS forum. If they visit these forums, they will know what happened.

Yes, there may be other issues, but none has reared its head here so why even discuss that possibility. The people on this forum would be the very people who would be reporting the issues back to DirecTV. Since no one has mentioned anything, why would you think could be an issue? Hell, there are issues with 3.1.5f--why do you think there IS a 6.3?

ebonovic

09-19-2006, 05:25 PM

[pokes head in]

So how is this thread going

[doges bottle]

Well then... guess I'm not needed to foster "discussion"

[removes head and closes the door]

drew2k

09-19-2006, 05:32 PM

[pokes head in]

So how is this thread going

[doges bottle]

Well then... guess I'm not needed to foster "discussion"

[removes head and closes the door]See what you miss if you stay "self-banned"? We need more head pokes and bottle dodging! :D

jstang

09-19-2006, 05:37 PM

mdegner

09-19-2006, 05:41 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but to "force a call" do I go to Messages & Setup, Settings, Phone, Make Daily Call Now. I tried this and I still have no update. Anyone have any idea when I might receive the update in 43xxx

Per another thread, the update rollout has been halted. You may have the slices in MFS already, but you probably won't get the go ahead from the Tivo servers to install it.

jstang

09-19-2006, 05:44 PM

Per another thread, the update rollout has been halted. You may have the slices in MFS already, but you probably won't get the go ahead from the Tivo servers to install it.

Is there any way for me to tell if I have the slices?

Bananfish

09-19-2006, 05:50 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but to "force a call" do I go to Messages & Setup, Settings, Phone, Make Daily Call Now. I tried this and I still have no update. Anyone have any idea when I might receive the update in 43xxx

That's the right method.

If you're hoping to discover on this forum when you will get the update, I wouldn't hold your breath. DirecTV certainly isn't going to make any announcement along those lines, and it's just not the type of information that leaks out of the bowels of DirecTV.

Bananfish

09-19-2006, 05:52 PM

Is there any way for me to tell if I have the slices?

Not without major surgery on your unit. Like computer nerd hacking major surgery.

mdegner

09-19-2006, 05:53 PM

Is there any way for me to tell if I have the slices?

You'll need command line access to the unit, via telnet or serial console, and issue this command-

echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh

EDIT: Or if you are running TivoWeb - MFS | SwSystem

jstang

09-19-2006, 05:54 PM

haha yeah I just have the thing hooked up to my tv. Nothing special like some of these hardcore guys.

SpoonsJTD

09-19-2006, 05:56 PM

why is there any confusion? if your unit doesn't make the "daily call" (it's in quotes because it's not done daily anymore), you won't initiate the upgrade...

disconnect the phone and you won't get upgraded...it's that simple...

Whose replies have the tone "I'm smart and you're not"?

SpoonsJTD

09-19-2006, 06:05 PM

I haven't seen any of that. I have seen people (like me) who say a phone call wil force activation of 6.3 (if you have the slices) and then the people arguing that slices don't come down the phone. I don't know why there's an argument over this. There is no conflict there.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4387484&&#post4387484

Incorrect... the software is available over the phone line. One of my machines upgraded over the phone line on the first day. I know it was over the phone because the unit in question has not been hooked up to the satellite for over a month. I'm glad you know the distribution process so well and you can draw proper conculsions.

How come nobody jumped on this guy?

This was on the previous page of posts.

Bananfish

09-19-2006, 06:11 PM

You're kidding, right? What are the chances that the CSRs would ever understand a partial rollout? Could you imagine the support calls?

Besides, it seems as though there may be other issues with the code that affect more than just users of those two sats.

Plus at the end of this process, they'll want everyone with the HR10-250 to have the exact same software. Whether or not the bugs are confined to users of those two satellites, the 6.3 version they've been rolling out is known to be obsolete. Why would they risk switching some units to a version of the software that they already know is obsolete? It's frustrating for sure, but we'll just have to wait for the debugged version.

Bananfish

09-19-2006, 06:19 PM

Can I ask what may be a dumb question - what exactly is meant by a "slice"? I understand that it means "a portion of the software". But is there some subtlety to using the term "slice" rather than, say, "file"?

I was a software engineer for 9 years before changing careers, so I'm not exactly an ignoramus when it comes to software, but I've never heard this term other than with respect to the TiVo software.

I would do a search, but I would guesstimate that the term "slice" has been used in 2000 posts in the past 2 weeks alone, and I don't need to know *that* badly.

SpoonsJTD

09-19-2006, 06:45 PM

Can I ask what may be a dumb question - what exactly is meant by a "slice"? I understand that it means "a portion of the software". But is there some subtlety to using the term "slice" rather than, say, "file"?

Not a dumb question, after a similar amount of time in the software industry, I had never heard it before either.

Someone might know where Tivo got it from, but AFAIK they are called slices because they have the extension '.slice'. :)

drew2k

09-19-2006, 06:53 PM

cheer

09-19-2006, 07:03 PM

Yes, there may be other issues, but none has reared its head here so why even discuss that possibility. The people on this forum would be the very people who would be reporting the issues back to DirecTV. Since no one has mentioned anything, why would you think could be an issue? Hell, there are issues with 3.1.5f--why do you think there IS a 6.3?
How about the audio dropouts issue? That's been discussed here. There have been others as well.

cheer

09-19-2006, 07:05 PM

I believe slice refers to the distribution method of the upgrade as well as each individual file. To minimize bandwidth, DirecTV broadcasts only a portion of the total upgrade, or a "slice" of it, at a time.
More or less, except it's not a DirecTV thing -- it's Tivo's methodology. They also use it for showcase delivery, etc...even guide data (or at least they used to -- I haven't looked very closely). If you're hacked, look through the tclient log some time and do a grep on slice.

cheer

09-19-2006, 07:08 PM

that's fine...he can be smart and an expert and all that...but his posts are not helpful, they are condescending and simply scream "I'm smart and you're not"...I've learned nothing from his posts...if he's not going to help because everyone else is an idiot...great...but maybe he can spare us his silly posts reminding us of how much smarter he is than the rest of us...
His posts didn't get that way until he started having to defend what he wrote -- did you not get my analogy? It's not about being an expert; it's about how giving information gets you pounded.

Probably not worth taking this further -- I doubt you're going to change your mind, and I know I'm not going to change mine. I'll leave it to Jeanesco to decide whether he thinks it's worth staying around TCF or not, and to the TCF members to decide whether that matters to them.

Brillian1080p

09-19-2006, 07:21 PM

I agree, this tivo hobby has a whole language unto itself. I'm an average guy who can operate a fusion splicing machine, look out at miles of fiber cable and tell you exact the condition of it. Even build a water cooled video/cpu computer, Install fuel injection where a carbureted vehicle.

But man this stuff hurts my head sometimes!

Thank you to those who answer questions.

Jeanesco

09-19-2006, 07:57 PM

I believe slice refers to the distribution method of the upgrade as well as each individual file. To minimize bandwidth, DirecTV broadcasts only a portion of the total upgrade, or a "slice" of it, at a time.

Think of it as the old software installers on 3.5" floppies, when the total install required 7 floppies. Each slice is a floppy.

Cheer has it right. I am not sure where the name "slice" comes from though, but it isn't any means of dividing up the data into smaller bits. I've seen slice files that are huge. It seems that tivo mostly separates them based on content. E.g. the NFL ST "showcase" stuff goes into one slice, a porsche one in another, then guide data go in their own individual slices for different types of guide data.

Then the software slices tend to be divided by the installation helper scripts (called utils,) the gnu coreutils and tivo binaries (these used to be in separate slices,) the kernel, and then the swsystem slice which contains all of the database info and graphics/brf/font libs for that version which remain in MFS.

Essentially slice is just a tivo specific container for information that gets incorporated (using tivosh's dbload) into the database.

BillyT2002

09-19-2006, 11:08 PM

...Think of it this way: if you were on a casual weather forum (meaning not hard-core meteorology, and let's be honest, the "Underground" isn't exactly hard core) and mentioned something about the Sun general rising in the east, only to have people question that statement because they're certain they saw it rise in the west once, etc. etc...you'd either call them all idiots or you'd leave...

And, I would have naturally assumed that somehow, somewhere they had slipped from an alternate reality into this one. But, that's just me. ;)

tgenius

09-19-2006, 11:22 PM

nakedeye

09-20-2006, 01:01 AM

cheer

09-20-2006, 07:50 AM

Not to be nitpicky, but Slices exist in UNIX/Linux, they are the DOS/Windows equivalent of partitions. We have multiple slices on our Unix Solaris server. That coupled with the fact that TiVO uses a form of linux:D
Well, in the BSD/SunOS/Solaris world, yeah, but Linux uses partitions. In any case, those are completely different from Tivo slices.

Signed,

A Recovering SunOS Admin

thebarge

09-20-2006, 09:44 AM

Because occasionally, trying to inform and help around here is like driving a spike into one's own forehead. Witness the legions of people convinced that you MUST make a call in order to get/keep the slices, despite posts/evidence to the contrary.Here's my problem with Jeanesco's attitude cheer. Jeanesco recently wrote this:

This is exactly what I am telling everybody, but some people here think they are experts and believe otherwise based on absolutely nothing.Nice generalized statement. I'll state I'm no expert but understand the basics. Jeanesco at times seems to really know his stuff, but the problem comes in here:

As far as I can determine, tivo is not distributing this upgrade over the phone line under any circumstances, and in fact is sending it exclusively via the nightly service data download for the time being (this will no doubt change in the future, but probably not for another few weeks or a few months.) So if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong.So he's saying a phone in will not upgrade your receiver and calls people wrong for saying this? Yet from what I've gathered by reading this thread amongst others is that the slices are downloaded to your receiver via satellite, and a phone in actually triggers the upgrade.

Then a few posts later he has this to say:

Where have I been? Well lets see. My tivo didn't call in for about 2 months prior to last thursday night, yet last thursday night it received the software (and actually it doesn't come in the form of slices.) I think I *may* know why and I *may* have a solution that will make your tivo take the update anyways if you were so inclined.

But you guys insist that I am always wrong (even if you don't even know yourself) so I probably don't have a solution.Very construction to the discussion.

Jeanesco

09-20-2006, 09:49 AM

Not to be nitpicky, but Slices exist in UNIX/Linux, they are the DOS/Windows equivalent of partitions. We have multiple slices on our Unix Solaris server. That coupled with the fact that TiVO uses a form of linux:D

Actually slice isn't a term used in linux. In linux terms they are still called partitions. AFAIK freebsd is the most notorious for calling them slices, solaris may as well I don't know.

EDIT: Oops I see cheer already said that.

Jeanesco

09-20-2006, 09:59 AM

Nice generalized statement. I'll state I'm no expert but understand the basics.

Orly? Weren't you the one telling me that the so called "experts" know better? That was where this response came from you idiot.

:rolleyes: The "experts" around here have already said that the phone call is required to authorize your Tivo for the upgrade. I think I'll believe them over you

My contempt here is mostly as a response to idjits like you.

So he's saying a phone in will not upgrade your receiver and calls people wrong for saying this? Yet from what I've gathered by reading this thread amongst others is that the slices are downloaded to your receiver via satellite, and a phone in actually triggers the upgrade.

Yes, and this is exactly what I have said. The main point of what I am saying is that forcing calls all day long isn't getting anybody anywhere.

thebarge

09-20-2006, 10:15 AM

Orly? Weren't you the one telling me that the so called "experts" know better? That was where this response came from you idiot.I was saying that the "so called experts" were correct in the fact that a phone call was required to install the 6.3 update.

My contempt here is mostly as a response to idjits like you.Apparently you can't have a civil discussion without resorting to personal attacks.

Yes, and this is exactly what I have said. The main point of what I am saying is that forcing calls all day long isn't getting anybody anywhere.No, it's NOT exactly what you said. It may be exactly what you meant, but that's not what you said at the time you posted it. You later backed up the statement that the phone call is required. Here, I'll post it for you again.

So if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong.

tivoboy

09-20-2006, 10:33 AM

wow, more than two pages, 60+ posts and not a SINGLE update on 6.3 release.

mr.unnatural

09-20-2006, 10:43 AM

Following this thread is like watching an argument between a college professor and a kindergarten class. The professor is getting frustrated because the kids don't have a clue what he's talking about, even though he is absolutely correct in his statements. The kids all want him to act like Barney and can't understand why he's so frustrated and angry.

Part of the problem is that we have an honest-to-goodness expert in our midst but he's having difficulty bringing his discussion down to a level where most of the members can understand him. Cheer and a few others can speak Linux and keep up with him but the rest are like deer caught in the headlights of an oncoming car. They don't understand what he's saying so therefore they surmise that he must be wrong.

Jeanesco - I believe I gave you a hard time a few pages back about something you posted. I got caught up in the mentality of the social club here and mistook where you were coming from. For that I offer my sincerest apologies. You obviously know what you're talking about but the problem is, very few in your target audience can actually follow what you're saying. The ones that can don't frequent here all that often and are more likely hanging out at DDB instead.

You have to realize that the vast majority of this crowd thinks hacking a Tivo involves buying an upgrade kit from PtvUpgrade. The rest consider using the Zipper as hardcore hacking, with but a few exceptions. I'm no Linux expert nor am I an expert on the inner workings of a Tivo filesystem and OS. I know just enough to get by or get myself into trouble (and back out again, with a little luck and perserverence).

I can only say that I wish you the best of luck trying to communicate with the crowd here. ;)

thebarge

09-20-2006, 10:54 AM

I can only say that I wish you the best of luck trying to communicate with the crowd here. ;)I've been using Linux for a long time and I'm also a system administrator. I've been poking around with a hacked SD DTivo for a couple years. All I did was point out that back when he said a phone call wasn't required, it was, and he responded by being an ass back then just like he is now. Plain and simple. I'm not denying the fact that he's very knowledgable when it comes to Tivo, but I can see that he apparently can't act like a civil human being when it comes to someone less knowledgable than him.

SpoonsJTD

09-20-2006, 10:54 AM

So he's saying a phone in will not upgrade your receiver and calls people wrong for saying this?

Criminy. Have you read all of the posts? He didn't say the phone call will not upgrade your receiver. Not even in the part you quoted. He said DirectTV (well, tivo, but I knew what he meant) isn't distributing the upgrade over the phone. The part about "so if you are hoping a phone in will upgrade your receiver you are wrong" was in the context of the person arguing with him. If you don't have the slices for whatever reason on your receiver, a phone call will not help you.

This is mostly in regards to the guy who claimed he got the slices and\or upgrade despite 'not having it hooked up to the satellite' (now THAT would be one long cable).

6.3 isn't distributed over the phone. Not right now, anyway. When they decide that every receiver that is trying to get it has it and don't want to waste the bandwidth, then later they'll do it over the phone. This isn't new. The SD DTivo upgrades happened the same way.

The phone call merely activates what the receiver downloads from the broadcasted, non-targetted satellite signal. Why is this an important distinction? Because being able to upgrade has nothing to do with whether or not you've called in. If your receiver isn't hacked, then yes, not calling in will prevent you from upgrading. If it is, calling in is irrelevant. Slice it, script it, whatever, but you can upgrade the receiver manually using the same process that would occur if you called in and your receiver was told that it was in 'the list' of receivers that are allowed to upgrade.

This has all been said numerous times by numerous people, but I thought I'd summarize because I don't understand how anyone who's read the entire thread would think that 1) jeanesco is claiming you don't upgrade by calling in (he isn't, he's saying the upgrade (content) isn't distributed over the phone), or 2) that no one was disputing the fact that the upgrade isn't distributed over the phone (they did, one poster at least claimed he got the upgrade without being 'connected to the satellite').

Contantly being told that you are saying something you aren't can make someone a bit frustrated, doncha think?

thebarge

09-20-2006, 11:05 AM

Contantly being told that you are saying something you aren't can make someone a bit frustrated, doncha think?I'm not the one constantly saying it :) I do realize that the slices come down via sat and are not distributed via the phone line, unlike whoever made that claim a few pages ago. But way back when he stated that the upgrade didn't require a callin, I took that at face value and responded accordingly. He later responded making it clear exactly what he mean't and that he realized the authorization call was required.

At the point I made my comment I had no information about his knowledge other than him saying a callin wasn't required to get the upgrade, so I assumed he was an idiot. Later I realized he was quite knowledgable, but by then he was bashing left and right. I simply commented on his attitude, so he resorted to personal attacks.

David Platt

09-20-2006, 11:12 AM

All I did was point out that back when he said a phone call wasn't required, it was, and he responded by being an ass back then just like he is now. Plain and simple. I'm not denying the fact that he's very knowledgable when it comes to Tivo, but I can see that he apparently can't act like a civil human being when it comes to someone less knowledgable than him.

Have you forgotten this little opening salvo of yours?

:rolleyes: The "experts" around here have already said that the phone call is required to authorize your Tivo for the upgrade. I think I'll believe them over you

That's a pretty damn confrontational and dismissive statement. I don't think Jeanesco was the first one to be an ass here.