HR10-250 6.3 Update; Confirmation and Release Notes

[ebonovic]

Well I got the update and confirmation for that I have been waiting all week for....

HR10-250 6.3 will start to rollout next week.

Release Notes:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=647871

Some other notes:
1) It will take a while to rollout to entire country
2) You must have your phone line connected... as the update will download via SAT, but the phone call is what "authorizes" it to install

Earl

[mrpope]

thanks Earl!

[vtfan99]

Good to hear Earl....thanks for you efforts on keeping us updated. Is there any method to the madness with regards to rollout? Meaning parts of the country or longest users...or is it random? (Noob here).

[ebonovic]

Good to hear Earl....thanks for you efforts on keeping us updated. Is there any method to the madness with regards to rollout? Meaning parts of the country or longest users...or is it random? (Noob here).

Normally they try to do it via Time Zones, but... with this large of a rollout... It is going to really "appear" to be random.

[Anubys]

/Jumping up and down with glee

yipee!!!!!

thanks for the update, Earl...and well before the wife's birthday!

:up: :up: :up: :up:

[Anubys]

will there be a place to sign up for the rollout as they did for previous ones?

[ebonovic]

will there be a place to sign up for the rollout as they did for previous ones?

I don't know... but I can ask....

[Adam1115]

Ok now for the important discussion.. :)

If you don't have a phone line, and can't connect one.. I assume it will download the slices to the hard drive. Is there a process to manually installing the slices?

I remember doing the slice upgrade from 4.01b to 6.2, will it be the same process? (MY HR10 has never been hacked, but I could change that....)

[thebarge]

I figured the update was coming, but wow, next week!? That's fantastic! I just had my HR10-250 installed last week, so yay, I only had to deal with 3.1 for a short time before being updated to 6.3.

Now I suppose I have to run the phone line back to it.

[Lee L]

Yes!

Now, I just need to wait until some poeple start poking around in there and hope for a nice surprise.

[terpfan1980]

I'm tentatively very happy about this. I say tentative because I hope that no new problems are introduced by this update as the TV season will really be ramping up next week.

With that said, I do very much want to see Folders and more speed in the system in general.


+1 to the Thanks Earl for the info! It appears to be very good news :up:

[tiggermanh]

I believed you old buddy. Now once it is updated I'll then upgrade to a larger hard drive setup and maybe some 6.3 hacks when available.

[JLWINE]

Great news Earl! Thanks for sharing the news.

[eatswodo]

Outstanding. Thanks for the update about the update, Earl, and your patience through this whole exercise.

My HR10-250 gets installed tomorrow (assuming they bring the right box this time), and I'm very happy to know that I won't have to live with 3.1 for very long.

[thebarge]

I believed you old buddy. Now once it is updated I'll then upgrade to a larger hard drive setup and maybe some 6.3 hacks when available.MMmmm I can't wait! I've been missing my "extra features" and larger drive on my RCA SD box since it was replaced by the HR10-250.

[JB3]

That's great news! Guess It's time to make sure I have a current backup with 3.1.f. (Just in case) :rolleyes:

[mattdb]

Thanks for hanging with us Earl.

Any chance of this including MRV and HMO?

[String]

I guess that means no native passthrough?

[thebarge]

Thanks for hanging with us Earl.

Any chance of this including MRV and HMO?I'll answer that one. No.

[ebonovic]

I'll answer that one. No.

Agreed... HMO/MRV is not enabled in this software version.
However, I don't know if the code blocks where removed or not....

[mercurial]

I'll answer that one. No.

Well, not by default. Here's hoping the code is there and that a zipper/super patch update enables it.

[ebonovic]

I guess that means no native passthrough?

I don't believe so.... .sorry

[T-Wolves]

You the Man, Earl. :up: :up:

And I guess kudos to DirecTV for finally releasing this, and just in time for the new TV season, too. :up:

[GhostDog69]

I was going to swap my drive out with a 400GB this weekend and zipper it. Now I guess I'll wait another few weeks for this.

[Markman07]

Earl I love you! I mean errrrrrrrrrr, Darn emotions got the best of me!

YEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[jluzbet]

? for the gurus...
I have a new 400 gig on the way to upgrade it should be here by next Wend, what will happen then? will the new drive take the upgrade ? I am planning on using the cake... :)

Thanks in advance

[Kamakzie]

Don't take away our 30 sec skip DTV! :)

[thebarge]

Well, not by default. Here's hoping the code is there and that a zipper/super patch update enables it.We can only hope :)

[sschwart]

Thanks for putting this in a separate thread so we don't need to wade through the mud-slinging embarassment that the previous thread has been. And thanks for the info, Earl.

[gb33]

Damn! Now I am even more upset that I got an HR20 when I asked for a 10-250.

[mattdb]

I was wanting the HMO at least to hopefully integrate with my home automation system.

Maybe they didn't delete that section, but who knows for as long as it has taken to get released.

[bigray327]

Smart timing by DirectTV, if it happens. I'm sure they know about the potential mass exodus when the Series 3 box comes out, so this seems like a no-brainer. Thanks for the heads up, Earl.

[Indiana627]

Great news Earl! Your strong belief of this being released is why I'm getting an HR10-250 (plus they gave it to me for free too!). It's getting installed next week so I'm happy to hear I won't have to live with the slow 3.1 for long. Mabye I'll get 6.3 on my first call!

[LlamaLarry]

Thanks Earl, I appreciate you having skin thick enough to have survived the other threads.

[cheer]

Ok now for the important discussion.. :)

If you don't have a phone line, and can't connect one.. I assume it will download the slices to the hard drive. Is there a process to manually installing the slices?

I remember doing the slice upgrade from 4.01b to 6.2, will it be the same process? (MY HR10 has never been hacked, but I could change that....)
Yes, essentially the same process. Hack your HR10-250 at its current rev. Once the new version shows up in MFS, you can use the same process (more or less) that you used with your SD DTivo.

[trehutch]

I got my second HD-Tivo for the bedroom over a month ago for free and have been waiting for this update . The wife wouldn't let switch out to the HD from the SD Tivo until the folders were available. She loathes the slowness of the machine and no folders option. I can finally activate it since I have been going thru the setup menu everyday to reacquire the OTA HD signal when I want to watch OTA HD on my Westinghouse 37" LCD. The Fins vs Steelers looked great last night, unfortunate it wasn't good enough to squeak out a victory for the fins :(

Trevor Hutchinson
Downstairs
HD-Tivo
Toshiba TW40X81
Onkyo 770 6.1 surround

Bedroom
HD Tivo
SD Tivo soon to be gone
Westinghouse 37" 1080P LCD

[jbradway]

I don't believe so.... .sorry

Native pass thru was the only feature I really cared about. My guide is not slow and folders really isn't that big of a deal to me.

[JaserLet]

I, for one, hope that 6.3 gets here soon so that I can begin bitching about something else.

[Cruzan]

I just got off the phone with my contact at DirecTV, and it seems the roll-out will go out in order of worthiness. Those of us who are most fervent fans of both TiVo and DirecTV will get the rollout first. (This is not based on any behavior of yours, just your inner thoughts and desires.) So, it appears that prayer will help.

If you don't get the rollout the first day, well, you now know where you stand.

[dbett]

Good news.

[Waits for inevitable "I'll believe it when I see it post."]

I do wish native passthrough had been included. But folders and better speed will be nice even without it.

[ebonovic]

[Waits for inevitable "I'll believe it when I see it post."]


Took longer then I thought:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=648042&postcount=22

[PJO1966]

I'll echo the thanks to Earl for keeping us current on what you knew through this whole process. Most of us never had any doubt that you were passing on the info you were given and that your source was a trustworthy one.

[tazzmission]

I guess that means no native passthrough?

Great, the one thing I REALLY wanted was this, and folders second. The speed is going to be nice though.

Oh well...

Thanks Earl for the update.

[HDTivoUser]

Took longer then I thought:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=648042&postcount=22

Well, in all fairness to the guy......he was just replying to you admitting that this is not an "official announcement". Sheesh.... Some people are skeptical.

[mattpol]

Earl!!!!! Earl!!!!!!!!!! Earl!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ebonovic]

Well, in all fairness to the guy......he was just replying to you admitting that this is not an "official announcement". Sheesh.... Some people are skeptical.

Oh... I know.... He is a good guy.
I just wanted to give him the credit of being first.. :)

[thebarge]

Yes, essentially the same process. Hack your HR10-250 at its current rev. Once the new version shows up in MFS, you can use the same process (more or less) that you used with your SD DTivo.What if I don't hack it now and wait until it gets updated to 6.3? Will I be able to hack it then, or will I be locked out forever and ever?

[eengert]

Yes, essentially the same process. Hack your HR10-250 at its current rev. Once the new version shows up in MFS, you can use the same process (more or less) that you used with your SD DTivo.

You really have to do all that? I don't have a landline so I use a PPP serial connection to my PC as necessary, but it's not hooked up all the time. Once the upgrade is downloaded and sitting on my HD, shouldn't it be activated the next time I force a call? (Please say Yes!)

[ebonovic]

You really have to do all that? I don't have a landline so I use a PPP serial connection to my PC as necessary, but it's not hooked up all the time. Once the upgrade is downloaded and sitting on my HD, shouldn't it be activated the next time I force a call? (Please say Yes!)

Yes and no.

It is going to "download" to all of our boxes are pretty much the same time.
It is via the phone call that triggers and tells the box to install it.

[eengert]

Yes and no.

It is going to "download" to all of our boxes are pretty much the same time.
It is via the phone call that triggers and tells the box to install it.

So I don't need to leave it connected for a call at all times, correct? I could wait a month, for example, before making my next call and that call would install the upgrade?

[ebonovic]

So I don't need to leave it connected for a call at all times, correct? I could wait a month, for example, before making my next call and that call would install the upgrade?

Yes..

[Rombaldi]

I wanna see some people eating crow and apologizing to Earl...

see Earl... Karma is a good thing :D

[chadly25]

I feel sorry for Earl if this update doesn't happen next week ;)

[pendragn]

Good to know. Looks like I'm running a phone line this weekend.

Thanks for sticking it out Earl.

tk

[no-blue-screen]

Well, this is certainly good news! Yeah, I am all for leaving the other thread behind....I let my frustration get the best of me in that thread. Oh well, hopefully it makes it's way to my box sooner than later.

Thanks for all the updates Earl!

[cheer]

What if I don't hack it now and wait until it gets updated to 6.3? Will I be able to hack it then, or will I be locked out forever and ever?
Most likely you'll be able to hack it after the upgrade, but I won't promise it until it's out and has been compromised/patched/etc.

[chicagochris]

Earl..

Great news! Any idea if it fixes the infamous "Denon pop" when changing channels ?

[cheer]

You really have to do all that? I don't have a landline so I use a PPP serial connection to my PC as necessary, but it's not hooked up all the time. Once the upgrade is downloaded and sitting on my HD, shouldn't it be activated the next time I force a call? (Please say Yes!)
YES, assuming you are now authorized for the upgrade. The above process is only for those of us that either (A) enjoy hacking, or (B) are already hacked and don't want to be unhacked.

[wahooj]

I don't have a phone line; I will need to take it somewhere else and force a call. How do I know when the update is installed on the harddrive and ready?

[ebonovic]

Earl..

Great news! Any idea if it fixes the infamous "Denon pop" when changing channels ?

I don' t know....

[no-blue-screen]

Most likely you'll be able to hack it after the upgrade, but I won't promise it until it's out and has been compromised/patched/etc.

I am sure there will be options once it has been out for a short time. I brought mine back to stock for now though....I would much rather have the folder and faster guide....perhaps my wife will complain a little less as well.

[Camelot_One]

Earl, just to check....
"Dolby Digital - Autorecord and output options will be set to “Off”

I assume this just means the default is OFF, but I thought I'd ask just to be sure. We can still enable it right?

Also, please update us when you (or anyone else) actually has the update. I am very excited to get it, but I would get KILLED if it somehow screws up Becky's season premier recordings!

[drew2k]

Folders & Speed Improvements just in time for the new fall season! Woo hoo!

Earl - I said it in the mega-thread, but I'll say it over here too: Thanks for hanging in there with all the nay-sayers!

[drew2k]

Thanks for putting this in a separate thread so we don't need to wade through the mud-slinging embarassment that the previous thread has been. And thanks for the info, Earl.Ah, but now everyone will have to wade through all the posts thanking Earl! :D

[cheer]

I don't have a phone line; I will need to take it somewhere else and force a call. How do I know when the update is installed on the harddrive and ready?
Don't know that there's a way to tell unless your unit is hacked. If hacked, you can use TivoWebPlus to look in MFS at /SwSystem to see if it's present. Or, you can telnet in and do an "echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh" -- either way will show you an "Active" entry and one or more others with version numbers. If the 6.x upgrade is there, you just need the phone call (or manual trigger).

[cheer]

Earl, just to check....
"Dolby Digital - Autorecord and output options will be set to “Off”

I assume this just means the default is OFF, but I thought I'd ask just to be sure. We can still enable it right?

Also, please update us when you (or anyone else) actually has the update. I am very excited to get it, but I would get KILLED if it somehow screws up Becky's season premier recordings!
Yes, it just re-defaults to OFF; you'll need to go switch it back to ON after the update. And both your existing recordings and your scheduled stuff should remain untouched.

[cheer]

I am sure there will be options once it has been out for a short time. I brought mine back to stock for now though....I would much rather have the folder and faster guide....perhaps my wife will complain a little less as well.
Oh I'm sure too -- in fact, I'm 99% certain that basic hacks (telnet/ftp/TivoWebPlus/etc.) will be immediately doable. Superpatch-type things will take a bit longer but I wouldn't expect there to be a huge delay.

[CfKid]

So, Earl, do you have 6.3 already? My guess is that you do, and you can't tell us. But, it doesn't hurt to ask.

[ebonovic]

So, Earl, do you have 6.3 already? My guess is that you do, and you can't tell us. But, it doesn't hurt to ask.

No, I don't... but then again, I did pull the phone line when I needed it for the HR20... (PPV purchases)..

Maybe I will plug it in this weekend and see what I get.. :D
If I get it, I'll post the exact version number.

[RMSko]

Native pass thru was the only feature I really cared about. My guide is not slow and folders really isn't that big of a deal to me.
Ditto!

[Fullcourt81]

Great news, Earl.
Everybody, remember that when your box gets the upgrade, that you have to enter the 30 second skip code, and whatever else you use, again. The box resets itself.

The series 2 boxes have a code for displaying the info about a program on the top of the screen when selected in the now playing list.

It is thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, 7,8.

I don't know if this will work in 6.3, or if it is already coded in the new upgrade.

[BOBCAT]

Hi Earl,
I lost my station logos when I upgraded my hard drive. Will this new release restore the logos?
Thanks

[maldini]

Fantastic news!

Its shocking to me to hear that some people don't experience speed issues. I have seen some season passes take minutes to get set.

Folders and speed baby! Just what the doctor ordered!

Thank you for all of your updates!

Maldini

[ebonovic]

Hi Earl,
I lost my station logos when I upgraded my hard drive. Will this new release restore the logos?
Thanks

It should... but we won't know for certain until we start to see the update on systems.

[Big Worms]

Great news! I just got the HR10-250 installed and my wife asked me about Folders and what happened to it. She will be happy.

[Tonedeaf]

Took longer then I thought:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=648042&postcount=22

I think this person was first: :D

Smart timing by DirectTV, if it happens. I'm sure they know about the potential mass exodus when the Series 3 box comes out, so this seems like a no-brainer. Thanks for the heads up, Earl. Bolded for emphasis. :)

[chadly25]

Ditto!

Why does everyone want this feature? Is the video processing in it that poor when doing the 720>>1080 and 1080>>720 conversion? Just curious.

[yaddayaddayadda]

Why does everyone want this feature? Is the video processing in it that poor when doing the 720>>1080 and 1080>>720 conversion? Just curious.

For me personally it's because of stretch modes. My TV has 'better' stretch modes for a 480i/480p vs. 1080i.

It's gotten so bad, that when I watch a HD program the people look stretched thin ;)

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Great news Earl. thanks!

[LionsAholic]

I haven'nt been with tivo long enough to have gone thru a software upgrade. If and when my HR10 downloads the software does will there be some type of message to let me know? I have voip and my phone line is disconnected right now.

[ebonovic]

I haven'nt been with tivo long enough to have gone thru a software upgrade. If and when my HR10 downloads the software does will there be some type of message to let me know? I have voip and my phone line is disconnected right now.

Yes... but not the message you are looking for.

There is no message telling you: Hey... I have the software, and you have been authorized for the unit to install it.

The assumption is made that your phone line is connected 24/7 and makes it normal nightly call.

EVERYONE, will "technically" receive the update at the same time... it will be sitting in a alternative partition on the hard drive on the unit. Then via the Phone Call, and what ever validation goes on on the other end... your unit gets the okay to switch to that alternative software partition

[vtfan99]

Why does everyone want this feature? Is the video processing in it that poor when doing the 720>>1080 and 1080>>720 conversion? Just curious.

I can go into my TVs service menu and tweak the picture slightly for each format. If I'm viewing SD stuff with 480i, I can make it look little better without affecting the HD 720p/1080i stuff, which its currently "tweaked" for. :D

[Sir_winealot]

I wonder how many people will be posting 'the upgrade killed my hard drive!'??

Odds are that this new DL will uncover some that are on their way out ...and will ultimately get blamed for this.

[AstroDad]

Another thanks to Earl for sticking in there for the believers.

Earl, would it be possible to post the release notes here? I cannot access dbstalk from work :(

If i remember correctly, don't we get a Pending Restart message on the Daily Call screen once the box has been authorized and can manually restart the box to get the update?

[chadly25]

For me personally it's because of stretch modes. My TV has 'better' stretch modes for a 480i/480p vs. 1080i.

It's gotten so bad, that when I watch a HD program the people look stretched thin ;)

gottcha. I forgot about that. All of the TV's we sell now can change aspect ration of 1080 and 720 material as if it were 480. Thanx

[newsposter]

out of curiousity, is the only reason a call is required to ensure a legal sub?

Wonderful news if this negates the need for a C/D T/D list! Wife will be VERY happy as will I.

[chadly25]

I can go into my TVs service menu and tweak the picture slightly for each format. If I'm viewing SD stuff with 480i, I can make it look little better without affecting the HD 720p/1080i stuff, which its currently "tweaked" for. :D

I've calibrated many televisions in my isf days but I can't say I've seen a television you could adjust in that way. I have seen where you can adjust all of the individual inputs, but I have yet to see where you can adjust different formats on one input (or are you using two different inputs one composite and one HD). What kind of television are you using?

[ebonovic]

out of curiousity, is the only reason a call is required to ensure a legal sub?

Wonderful news if this negates the need for a C/D T/D list! Wife will be VERY happy as will I.


My guess is the call has to do more with the way the TiVo software updates simply work. They pull all the files first, then "analyze" the update, then the call sends a CRC or something like that to a server...

Validates it matches, then you are good to go..

(and seriously, that is just a guess... I don't know how the inner workings of the software update works)

[cheer]

EVERYONE, will "technically" receive the update at the same time... it will be sitting in a alternative partition on the hard drive on the unit. Then via the Phone Call, and what ever validation goes on on the other end... your unit gets the okay to switch to that alternative software partition
Actually if you really wanna be technical, it won't be on the alternate partition set until the upgrade is authorized and triggered. :)

[dr_mal]

If i remember correctly, don't we get a Pending Restart message on the Daily Call screen once the box has been authorized and can manually restart the box to get the update?
If it holds to past patterns, yes, that's true, but the box will automatically restart at 2 or 3 am.

If you see that message in your daily call screen prior to the reboot, yes, you can manually reboot the box to install the new software.

[cheer]

My guess is the call has to do more with the way the TiVo software updates simply work. They pull all the files first, then "analyze" the update, then the call sends a CRC or something like that to a server...

Validates it matches, then you are good to go..

(and seriously, that is just a guess... I don't know how the inner workings of the software update works)
It's just a lot easier to control things this way. But they can also control who actually downloads the slices as well.

As the slices are downloaded from sat, the Tivo decrypts them (if needed) and loads them into MFS. Once authorization is received via the daily call, it updates a value in MFS to the new version and puts the box in a pending restart state; the box then reboots at 2 AM or whatever.

When the box reboots, it sees that the new version code in MFS isn't the active one. It checks to see if upgradesoftware is set to false and, if not, triggers the installation of the new code.

For a much more thorough understanding, go to the other place and check out /forum/showthread.php?t=35483. Scroll down to post #12; ADH has (in his usual fashion) written an extremely detailed description/analysis of the process. (You can ignore much of the hacking-related portions as they're out of date, but the overall process hasn't really changed.)

[fasTLane]

My unit has been self tuning during the overnite to the DTV channel a lot lately. Is this related to the download or something else entirely?

[vaporware]

Great news Earl. thanks!

Now go play with your shoe collection. ;)

[chadly25]

I used to love seeing the "pending restart" message. makes you feel like a kid at christmas when you know you are getting an update.

[Paperboy2003]

What? No posts from AbFab?

Here's to hoping it crashes his hard drive...

Thanks Earl

[vtfan99]

I've calibrated many televisions in my isf days but I can't say I've seen a television you could adjust in that way. I have seen where you can adjust all of the individual inputs, but I have yet to see where you can adjust different formats on one input (or are you using two different inputs one composite and one HD). What kind of television are you using?


I have a Sony KDF-E50A10. When I'm in the service menu, certain values change depending upon the format of the source material. It appears that 720p/1080i use one set of values while 480i/480p use a different set. I must say that I'm pretty new to this stuff, so this is by no means a guaranteed fact...nor is it optimally calibrated. Just some info I picked up over at avsforum.

[chadly25]

I have a Sony KDF-E50A10. When I'm in the service menu, certain values change depending upon the format of the source material. It appears that 720p/1080i use one set of values while 480i/480p use a different set. I must say that I'm pretty new to this stuff, so this is by no means a guaranteed fact...nor is it optimally calibrated. Just some info I picked up over at avsforum.

Thanks for the info. I am going to check the new Sony televisions to see how then new engines operate. I usually change my Sencore unit to 480i/p 720p and 1080i just to verify I am close to D65 on all formats but I didn't know you could adjust them individually.

[smimi10]

Thanks for the update, Earl. I appreciate your efforts with this.

Mike

[rminsk]

My unit has been self tuning during the overnite to the DTV channel a lot lately. Is this related to the download or something else entirely?It happens every night. It is called the service download.

[Cudahy]

I've been following this upgrade thread for the past month although the only problem we have with our HDtivo is the sporadic 1 second blackouts. Will the greater speed affect that?

[rbautch]

Great news! Thanks for keeping us all in loop, Earl. For those of you with a hacked HR10-250, here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4351442#post4351442) are some options for taking the upgrade.

[bpdp379]

I have a Sony KDF-E50A10. When I'm in the service menu, certain values change depending upon the format of the source material. It appears that 720p/1080i use one set of values while 480i/480p use a different set. I must say that I'm pretty new to this stuff, so this is by no means a guaranteed fact...nor is it optimally calibrated. Just some info I picked up over at avsforum.

My JVC D-ILA 56FH works the exact same way.

[bkane]

Thanks Earl. Heres to hoping it will update soon.

[Bananfish]

EVERYONE, will "technically" receive the update at the same time... it will be sitting in a alternative partition on the hard drive on the unit. Then via the Phone Call, and what ever validation goes on on the other end... your unit gets the okay to switch to that alternative software partition

I'm a little confused, Earl ... if "EVERYONE" will receive the update at the same time (or at least will have the software loaded in an alternative software partition at the same time), why does your first post in this thread say that "it will take a while to rollout to entire country"?

[BBREAL]

WOW, thanks for keeping up on this Earl - you da man!! While I'm here, a quick question. Will non HD local channels thru D* remain available to current set ups without MPEG 4?

thanks.

[rminsk]

I'm a little confused, Earl ... if "EVERYONE" will receive the update at the same time (or at least will have the software loaded in an alternative software partition at the same time), why does your first post in this thread say that "it will take a while to rollout to entire country"?They do a staged rollout in case there are any problems with the software. Also, a staged rollout will spread out calls to the support line. New software always kills a few machines also. The new software is installed in a different partition. If the disk drive is bad in the other partition then the software update could cause it to be unbootable. We will most likely see a thread or two of "6.3 killed my machine".

[Mr. Bill]

They do a staged rollout in case there are any problems with the software. Also, a staged rollout will spread out calls to the support line. New software always kills a few machines also. The new software is installed in a different partition. If the disk drive is bad in the other partition then the software update could cause it to be unbootable. We will most likely see a thread or two of "6.3 killed my machine".
So, since I've never peered into an HR10 drive, let me ask this? Are there two o/s partitions there waiting? One for the current, running o/s and one for an upgrade, and Tivo bounces to and fro each time another upgrade occurs?

[thepackfan]

That's prettty much it.

[cheer]

So, since I've never peered into an HR10 drive, let me ask this? Are there two o/s partitions there waiting? One for the current, running o/s and one for an upgrade, and Tivo bounces to and fro each time another upgrade occurs?
Yes, all Tivos have a primary and alternate partition set for exactly this purpose. (It's actually two pairs of partitions...there's a kernel partition and a root partition for the active OS and another set for upgrade purposes.

[Lord Vader]

The series 2 boxes have a code for displaying the info about a program on the top of the screen when selected in the now playing list.

It is thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, 7,8.

I don't know if this will work in 6.3, or if it is already coded in the new upgrade.

I achieve the same thing more easily by simply pressing "select" on the recorded show, then pressing the "info" button. All the information is then displayed.

[zalusky]

How do you do that for live broadcasts vs now playing items.

[JayDog]

Golly! That's swell news indeed!

/continues waiting.... ;)

[vikingguy]

Awesome news now if only I could talk direct tv into a second free hd-tivo lol.

[Anubys]

The rollout starts "next week", right? so there's no use in hooking up the telephone this weekend, am I correct?

I have a telephone line connected all the time, I just want to clarify this point for people who don't...

[rminsk]

The rollout starts "next week", right? so there's no use in hooking up the telephone this weekend, am I correct?

I have a telephone line connected all the time, I just want to clarify this point for people who don't...and if you really want to delay hooking up the phone line keep your eyes on
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315237. I will try to update it twice a day.

[Adam1115]

Native pass thru was the only feature I really cared about. My guide is not slow and folders really isn't that big of a deal to me.

I'm seriously wonder why people care about this? What's wrong with it upconverting to 1080i..?

[PJO1966]

I'm seriously wonder why people care about this? What's wrong with it upconverting to 1080i..?


The scalers in some people's displays are superior to the scaler in the TiVo.

[Adam1115]

Ok now for the important discussion.. :)

If you don't have a phone line, and can't connect one.. I assume it will download the slices to the hard drive. Is there a process to manually installing the slices?

I remember doing the slice upgrade from 4.01b to 6.2, will it be the same process? (MY HR10 has never been hacked, but I could change that....)

Anyone know??

[Cody21]

Great news Earl ... Personally, I've believed & trusted you all along thru this .... Thanks for all you do here in this FORUM.

peace.

[rminsk]

Anyone know??It should be about the same procedure. PTVupgrade has created a script called the slicer that typically works well.

[B Smooth]

Earl, you are one class act. After all the grief they gave you in the other thread, I expected at least a BOYAHH to all of your detractors.

[Bananfish]

They do a staged rollout in case there are any problems with the software. Also, a staged rollout will spread out calls to the support line. New software always kills a few machines also. The new software is installed in a different partition. If the disk drive is bad in the other partition then the software update could cause it to be unbootable. We will most likely see a thread or two of "6.3 killed my machine".

So "EVERYONE" from Earl's post meant everyone that's participating in that part of the staged rollout, right? OK, I thought so, but just wanted to make sure. (I had thought it was possible that between post #1 and post #whatever, Earl learned that it wouldn't be a staged rollout after all, but a massive parallel one.)

[Bananfish]

So is there going to be an official notification page on D*'s website? Or did they learn their lesson from the prior debacle that they're just not going to do one?

[TyroneShoes]

124 posts in 10 hours in the middle of a workday. Impressive. Must be a lot of folks waiting for this.

[AstroDad]

So "EVERYONE" from Earl's post meant everyone that's participating in that part of the staged rollout, right? OK, I thought so, but just wanted to make sure. (I had thought it was possible that between post #1 and post #whatever, Earl learned that it wouldn't be a staged rollout after all, but a massive parallel one.)

Actually, (and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong), but I believe everyone will receive the update to their boxes at roughly the same time, but the call in authorizations will be split up.

Just because it is on your box doesn't mean the next call in will activate it.

[willbhome]

Awesome news now if only I could talk direct tv into a second free hd-tivo lol.How did you get the FIRST free hd-tivo?

[willbhome]

Just because it is on your box doesn't mean the next call in will activate it.That kinda sucks.

[keenanSR]

The scalers in some people's displays are superior to the scaler in the TiVo.
Or they use outboard scalers like the DVDO or Lumagen products.

[bluntedat420]

I'm seriously wonder why people care about this? What's wrong with it upconverting to 1080i..?

Watching a native 480i program in 1080i is like looking at your tv thru the wrong prescription glasses.

Watching a native 1080i/720p program in 480i is like watching the program in a funhouse mirror.

Native passthru would negate needing to 'up arrow' when switching back-and-forth from SD to HD.

[Sknzfan]

How did you get the FIRST free hd-tivo?

I called Customer Retention...got TWO Free...it was an Upgrade for me and I have been a customer for over 10 years and NEVER asked for anything and a ST holder.
Give it a Try...
1-800-824-9081

Tell them you're ready to upgrade to HD ! I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE a HR10-250 Tivo !

Thanx

[Adam1115]

Watching a native 480i program in 1080i is like looking at your tv thru the wrong prescription glasses.

Watching a native 1080i/720p program in 480i is like watching the program in a funhouse mirror.

Native passthru would negate needing to 'up arrow' when switching back-and-forth from SD to HD.

Obviously if you're watching 1080i or 720p in 480i you're an idiot. But, why would watching a 480i show in 1080i look worse? Makes no sense. I leave my HR10 in 1080i and it always looks great.

[PJO1966]

Obviously if you're watching 1080i or 720p in 480i you're an idiot. But, why would watching a 480i show in 1080i look worse? Makes no sense. I leave my HR10 in 1080i and it always looks great.


As do I. I also watch everything in the aspect ratio in which it is broadcast. If that means having black bars on 4 sides, so be it.

[TonyD79]

Obviously if you're watching 1080i or 720p in 480i you're an idiot. But, why would watching a 480i show in 1080i look worse? Makes no sense. I leave my HR10 in 1080i and it always looks great.

The latter one depends on the TV and how it scales different signals. On mine, 480p actually looks best for SD programs. But it is marginal, so I use 1080i most of the time and 480i when I want to send the signal out to an RF modulator.

[thumperxr69]

Hey Earl.....I'll be in Joliet on Sunday (IRL race). I think I will look you up in TP and give you a big fat smooch..... :up:

T

[willbhome]

I called Customer Retention...got TWO Free...it was an Upgrade for me and I have been a customer for over 10 years and NEVER asked for anything and a ST holder.
Give it a Try...
1-800-824-9081

Tell them you're ready to upgrade to HD ! I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE a HR10-250 Tivo !

ThanxThanks. I might try calling; however, I already bought one a year ago from them. I WOULD like a second one, though, as long as I can own it rather than lease. . . And, of course, free would be great.

[Brillian1080p]

Before this thread gets huge, let me ask what most of you probably know. Will this update all HR10-250's? Even the first ones that still have v3.xx?

The biggest benefits are menu speed and folders?

Would it be beneficial to allow the update and then re-apply goodies?

[kturcotte]

I thought ALL HD DirecTivos had version 3.xx?
I may have missed it, but will this be basically just like the 6.2 update for the SD receivers (Speed and folders), or will there be other updates as well (Actual things that don't require hacking, like HMO and MRV lol)?

[rminsk]

Before this thread gets huge, let me ask what most of you probably know. Will this update all HR10-250's? Even the first ones that still have v3.xx?As long as they are hooked up to a phone line to activate the software or you know how to install the slices yourself. All of the HR10-250 have 3.xx as there has only been 3.xx releases.The biggest benefits are menu speed and folders?As far as we know. We will know more when it actually gets installed.Would it be beneficial to allow the update and then re-apply goodies?I think the speed increase alone would justify having to reinstall your goodies.

[mx6bfast]

My HDTivo has not made a call for 663 days. I was joking with my wife that we need to do it before day 666. Looks like I will go over the 666 date. Hopefully by 777. :)

[Gotchaa]

Damn, that means after 3+ years I am going to have to call in and pay for all the pay for view I ordered...sniff, I do still have some TiVo hacks, anyone know if fakecall will work? Of course I've got to remember where I commented out the upgrade line...

[rminsk]

Damn, that means after 3+ years I am going to have to call in and pay for all the pay for view I ordered...That is a different phone call which can not be accessed within the DirecTiVo menus.

[JTAnderson]

Has anyone discovered the backdoor password for this release yet? :D

[Brillian1080p]

Rminsk, Thank you for your answers.

[mr.unnatural]

All HDTivos have version 3.1.5 or later, with the current version being 3.1.5f. I believe the only other released versions were d and e and possibly c. It shouldn't make any difference which version you have as the HDTivo will always upgrade to the current version.

The reason everyone gets the software downloaded at the same time is because it's distributed via the satellite, probably as part of the nightly service download. Each HDTivo has to dial in to get the installation initiated, which is why the upgrade will be staggered. Their phone systems couldn't handle every single HDTivo calling in at the same time to get the upgrade initialized as I believe the phone call can take more than a few minutes to complete. As someone else already pointed out, they also stagger the rollout so any bugs can be detected early on and corrected before there's a massive uprising and revolt of angry Tivo owners marching towards the windmill with pitchforks. :eek:

[Brillian1080p]

I have to clear my brain of gop/fae frame rate aspect ratio usb transport stream drive upgrade network donglization compression heck and ask this so I can relax.

How long does it usually take for the bugs to get worked out of an intial release?

Oops, that might be a downer, never mind.

[rminsk]

Has anyone discovered the backdoor password for this release yet? :DUp, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start

[rminsk]

Each HDTivo has to dial in to get the installation initiated, which is why the upgrade will be staggered. Their phone systems couldn't handle every single HDTivo calling in at the same time to get the upgrade initialized as I believe the phone call can take more than a few minutes to complete.The phone call is not to DirecTV but to a local ISP (usually uunet). It is not a problem for every single HD TiVo calling in...

[Bananfish]

The reason everyone gets the software downloaded at the same time is because it's distributed via the satellite, probably as part of the nightly service download. Each HDTivo has to dial in to get the installation initiated, which is why the upgrade will be staggered. Their phone systems couldn't handle every single HDTivo calling in at the same time to get the upgrade initialized as I believe the phone call can take more than a few minutes to complete. As someone else already pointed out, they also stagger the rollout so any bugs can be detected early on and corrected before there's a massive uprising and revolt of angry Tivo owners marching towards the windmill with pitchforks. :eek:

Well, now I'm confused again. Are you saying that the upgrade is staggered because the daily calls occur at different times? Or are you saying that it's staggered because D* will only allow the daily call from certain boxes to cause the HR10-250 box to switch to the new version that's sitting in the box at any given time?

Or perhaps my ultimate question is: if the 6.3 software has been distributed to my box, can I absolutely force my box to switch to the 6.3 software by forcing a call to D*? Or will it depend on whether D* has actually authorized a phone call from my box to cause the switch?

[bxs122]

Thanx for the news ... I'm new to all this and last week I put in a new 320g drive, used Instantcake then Zippered it.

At the moment I think fakecall is running and I do have my phone plugged in for caller ID.

Will I receive the upgrade? I kept my original drive so I can pop that back in at any time.

[Mark Lopez]

Or are you saying that it's staggered because D* will only allow the daily call from certain boxes to cause the HR10-250 box to switch to the new version that's sitting in the box at any given time?



This is correct. You don't want them all turned on at the same time in case there is a problem and you then have thousands of boat anchors. You can beta test forever, but there will always be something that may not show up until it's out to the public.

[rminsk]

Well, now I'm confused again. Are you saying that the upgrade is staggered because the daily calls occur at different times? Or are you saying that it's staggered because D* will only allow the daily call from certain boxes to cause the HR10-250 box to switch to the new version that's sitting in the box at any given time?

Or perhaps my ultimate question is: if the 6.3 software has been distributed to my box, can I absolutely force my box to switch to the 6.3 software by forcing a call to D*? Or will it depend on whether D* has actually authorized a phone call from my box to cause the switch?See http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315237

[Bananfish]

Thanks - I'll be keeping my eyes out for this.

[no-blue-screen]

Well, now I'm confused again. Are you saying that the upgrade is staggered because the daily calls occur at different times? Or are you saying that it's staggered because D* will only allow the daily call from certain boxes to cause the HR10-250 box to switch to the new version that's sitting in the box at any given time?

Or perhaps my ultimate question is: if the 6.3 software has been distributed to my box, can I absolutely force my box to switch to the 6.3 software by forcing a call to D*? Or will it depend on whether D* has actually authorized a phone call from my box to cause the switch?

Even though the update may be sitting on your box, your unit has to be in the "list" or "batch" of units to be upgraded in order for the phone call to authorize or start the update.

[kturcotte]

The HR10-250 receivers tend to call home once every other day, as opposed to the units with 6.x software (I'd imagine this will become the case once they have 6.3). Force the receiver to call home once per day.

[vaporware]

I think it's a trick to send out 6.3 which will corrupt all the hdtivos and force everyone to switch to the newly released hr20-700+50,000.33 or whatever it's called now. ;)

[kturcotte]

Then Earl's going to find a lot of angry people with pitchforks and torches knocking at his door lol j/k

[no-blue-screen]

I was actually thinking about grabbing an HR20 because I have been so frustrated with my HR10 being slow....but I wasn't about to give D* another $400 of my hard earned cash.

[hakamarob]

dugg. digg.com/gadgets/DTV_announces_6_3_for_HD_DTivo_units

[jkast]

I know I saw this somewhere before in the forum.... but didn't find it on a cursory look.... So how do I know a new release of the software is loaded to the box and waiting to be activated?

[Sknzfan]

Will this update change any other SETTINGS on the HD Tivo ?
Like Season Pass....
Favorite Actor / Director ....

Thanx

[jkast]

Never mind: From the rminst post toward the top of this page, and his separate thread:

"Just because your zipcode may be listed you still may not activate the 6.3 software right away. Each night DirecTV/TiVo randomly choose receivers by the receiver service number and zipcode. They update there database to reflect that 6.3 should be running on the randomly selected receiver. The next time the receiver completes the "TiVo" phone call the status will change to "Pending Restart". Early in the morning the receiver will restart itself and install the new software.

If you see a "Pending Restart" and want the software right away you can restart the receiver. This software install will take a longer than the usual software install because the TiVo database must be rebuilt. If you have any programs that are about to start recording and you do not want to miss them wait till after the show to restart.

DirecTV will be streaming the software images over the satellite for a few days and your machine will cache the software during the 3:00am service download. If your machine does not cache it for some reason (no satellite reception, ...) the software will be downloaded over the phone when it needs to be installed."

[chadly25]

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start

You forgot "select" then start. Oh the good ole Contra days on Nintendo. Glad to see I'm not the only old school guy on here :D

[ssandhoops]

I've got 2 HR10-250's. Woke up this morning and found one of them tuned to channel 201 which is normally the DTV "how to" channel and a channel we never use, so I presume it was being used to download 6.3. The other box, however, I found had (for lack of a better term) crashed. It was outputting snow for a picture, would not respond to the remote and the record light on the front was on. It seemed to have happened shortly after I quit watching last night and this is the 2nd time in the last 6 months this has happened. A hard reboot (pull the plug) fixed it but obviously it did not receive any 6.3 data that may have been available last night. My question, does that mean this box has now missed it's chance for downloading the 6.3 data via sat? How exactly are the "slices" distributed?

[rbreding]

DirecTV will be streaming the software images over the satellite for a few days and your machine will cache the software during the 3:00am service download. If your machine does not cache it for some reason (no satellite reception, ...) the software will be downloaded over the phone when it needs to be installed."


I've got 2 HR10-250's. Woke up this morning and found one of them tuned to channel 201 which is normally the DTV "how to" channel and a channel we never use, so I presume it was being used to download 6.3. The other box, however, I found had (for lack of a better term) crashed. It was outputting snow for a picture, would not respond to the remote and the record light on the front was on. It seemed to have happened shortly after I quit watching last night and this is the 2nd time in the last 6 months this has happened. A hard reboot (pull the plug) fixed it but obviously it did not receive any 6.3 data that may have been available last night. My question, does that mean this box has now missed it's chance for downloading the 6.3 data via sat? How exactly are the "slices" distributed?




Did you not read ?.....See Above

[ssandhoops]

Did you not read ?.....See Above
Yes, I did see that, but it still does not answer my question. I've seen posts that suggest the 6.3 data is being made available in "slices". Jkast's post seems to suggest the entire 6.3 image is made available each night. Which is true? If the entire image is available, then perhaps my unit will download it tonight. I understand that. However, if it's really being delivered in "slices", are the "slices" going to be available multipe nights or just once, i.e. you miss it that one night and the only way you'll get it is over the phone?

[Adam1115]

So if the rollout is starting, why is the 6.3 site still down on directv.com?

[codespy]

Well, even if it was up it would not make it an 'official' announcement. I presume we need a postcard or an email from DirecTV to make it official.
I would tend to believe the page will be up before the phonecall is made to the mothership to activate the download.

How many have the page on their 'favorites' list???

[thumperxr69]

Will this update change any other SETTINGS on the HD Tivo ?
Like Season Pass....
Favorite Actor / Director ....

Thanx

These settings should be preserved.

T

[rbreding]

Yes, I did see that, but it still does not answer my question. I've seen posts that suggest the 6.3 data is being made available in "slices". Jkast's post seems to suggest the entire 6.3 image is made available each night. Which is true? If the entire image is available, then perhaps my unit will download it tonight. I understand that. However, if it's really being delivered in "slices", are the "slices" going to be available multipe nights or just once, i.e. you miss it that one night and the only way you'll get it is over the phone?


There is no "image". Everything is in slices. He was stating that if your TiVo does not download it night X then it will get it night X+1 or night X+2 etc. If it doesn't get it then, then it will grab it via phone line. Generally slices are left in the stream for weeks or longer.

[Lord Vader]

I presume we need a postcard or an email from DirecTV to make it official.

No you don't. DirecTV will dedicate a channel to this and run 24/7 a special on 6.3. They will precede it with a major announcement on all their D* channels, advising you to tune to that special 6.3 channel. :rolleyes:

[PixelFreak]

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
Ah, I love old school Nofriendo cheat codes....brings a wistful tear to the eye....*sniff*

/end childhood dream sequence

[tivoupgrade]

I know I saw this somewhere before in the forum.... but didn't find it on a cursory look.... So how do I know a new release of the software is loaded to the box and waiting to be activated?

telnet to your box... type "echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh"

[Regina]

Just wanted to add my thanks and "you da' mans" to Earl...you rock buddy! :D
Thanks for keeping us informed and ignoring (or trying to ignore) the trolls and non-believers! I can't wait for 6.3 :up: :up:
Mmm....cake! (I actually have no idea what that means in this context, I just love cake...mmm...cake!) ;)

[Sknzfan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sknzfan
Will this update change any other SETTINGS on the HD Tivo ?
Like Season Pass....
Favorite Actor / Director ....

Thanx


These settings should be preserved.

T

Thanx ! I figured they would be but, had to ask..... :)

[TonyD79]

Great news, Earl.
Everybody, remember that when your box gets the upgrade, that you have to enter the 30 second skip code, and whatever else you use, again. The box resets itself.

The series 2 boxes have a code for displaying the info about a program on the top of the screen when selected in the now playing list.

It is thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, 7,8.

I don't know if this will work in 6.3, or if it is already coded in the new upgrade.

It did work on my Hughes DirecTiVo. I tried it after I saw it here. Gotta believe the code for the HR10 will be somewhat the same.

BTW, cool feature. Didn't know that code....

[Lord Vader]

Why bother with all this, which doesn't work on my Hughes anyway, when all one needs to do is press "select" then "info"?

[az_double_eagle]

It did work on my Hughes DirecTiVo. I tried it after I saw it here. Gotta believe the code for the HR10 will be somewhat the same.

BTW, cool feature. Didn't know that code....

Yeah, it worked on my HDVR2 as well - what a great feature! :up:
Note: It did not work on my HR10-250 with the exisiting software load.

After over 2 years of having the HDVR2, I was amazed that I never knew about this cool code enhancement to the NPL.

Thanks Fullcourt81 :)

[sotapoppy]

I have 2 HR10s. Today one lost signal on most channels and was non responsive to my Harmony 880. Then I switched over to the other to see if that one was acting normal. Soon after, the 2nd HR10 did the same. Using the factory remote I checked the remote addresses. They both had been reset to the default settings somehow. Both HR10's regained signal by themselves. No change to software yet as it's still 3.x. Any guess to what caused this?

[MichaelK]

they choked and rebooted?

[dmurphy]

You forgot "select" then start. Oh the good ole Contra days on Nintendo. Glad to see I'm not the only old school guy on here :D

Only if you're playing 2 players ... by yourself, no select. :)

[Lord Vader]

Yeah, it worked on my HDVR2 as well - what a great feature! :up:
Note: It did not work on my HR10-250 with the exisiting software load.

After over 2 years of having the HDVR2, I was amazed that I never knew about this cool code enhancement to the NPL.

Thanks Fullcourt81 :)

Figured I'd try it on all my Series 2 DTIVO's for the hell of it--didn't work at all. :confused:

[Stephen M. Smith]

I read the release notes, but let me ask this question -- is this update identical in functionality and fixes to the 6.3 release for the HDVR2's??

[Brillian1080p]

My Tivo just quit responding to remote commands and then the display went blank. The lights on the front are on the same as if I was watching something. It's never done this and I'm hesitant to unplug for a reboot with all this talk of software upgrades.

Can't address in by Tivoweb plus either. Was able to get a bash prompt by telnetting in.

[mx6bfast]

My Tivo just quit responding to remote commands and then the display went blank. The lights on the front are on the same as if I was watching something. It's never done this and I'm hesitant to unplug for a reboot with all this talk of software upgrades.

Can't address in by Tivoweb plus either. Was able to get a bash prompt by telnetting in.
Might as well go ahead and reboot. I doubt it will start working on its own.

[brian_c]

Why has there not been a feature to allow deleting all messages?

[talbain]

124 posts in 10 hours in the middle of a workday. Impressive. Must be a lot of folks waiting for this.


well at LEAST half of them are posts thanking earl. he's a great guy and all, and we appreciate his efforts, but enough already. it's this sort of thing that makes threads like this unnavigable...

p.s....thanks earl :p

[temp357]

Earl,
Not that i don't appreciate all that you do for us.


...but I'll believe it when i see it! :)

[litzdog911]

I read the release notes, but let me ask this question -- is this update identical in functionality and fixes to the 6.3 release for the HDVR2's??

There is no 6.3 release for the HDVR2 DVRS. Their latest software is v6.2. We expect that the HR10-250 v6.3 software will be essentially the same features at v6.2 on other Series 2 DirecTivos (except the R10 which uses v6.1, also essentially the same as v6.2).

[BrokerDon]

I bought one of the very first HR10-250s and shortly thereafter got "a guy" (from eBay) who did a GREAT job adding another 250GB hard drive, a Linksys 100Mbps Cat5 Ethernet card, and installing TivoWebPlus v1.0 with dial-in and internet updates DISABLED (hasn't dialed in almost 2 years). It has worked well but I'd like to get the:

1. faster menus and folders of the 6.3 update

2. latest version of TivoWebPlus (or something similar) which will allow me to control my HR10-250 from my computer AND burn selected programs on this Tivo to my computers DVD (I never figured out how to do this with TivoWebPlus yet... Any suggestions?)

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find "the guy" from eBay (Patrick Lynch... Anybody know how I could reach him again?) in Texas who did these upgrades for me 2 years ago and have never "hacked" a Tivo myself. I'm VERY computer literate (both Mac and PC) including installing my own hardware upgrades so I COULD probably do this myself although at this stage I'd probably be willing to have someone else do it for a reasonable fee.

Here are my questions:

1. Will my phone & internet connection DISABLED HR10-250 download and install the 6.3 update anyway since it currently gets all the program schedules off the satellite? (phone and internet connections are disabled by TivoWebPlus)

2. If I DON'T updated to 6.3, will my HR10-250 stop working?

3. If I DO get the update, will it delete TivoWebPlus 1.0 and disconnect my additional 250GB hard drive? I ask because the guy who installed TivoWebPlus warned me NOT to connect it to a phone line since he said any Tivo software updates would delete TivoWebPlus, uninstall my additional 250GB HD, disable my Linksys 100Mbps ethernet adapter, etc.

4. Is there a newer version of TivoWebPlus OR a better/more updated program to control my HR10-250 from my computer? If so, what is involved in installing this software on an HR-10-250?

5. Are there any companies in Southern California who could do this for me?

6. If I get the 6.3 update, will my HR10-250 then HAVE to successfully dial-in every day or so to work properly? If so, this would be a problem since installing a phone line to my HR10-250 would be a MAJOR project... fishing wires through and across 3 FLOORS and dealing with VOIP dial-in issues... OUCH! :eek:

Earl, I know I've asked are a lot of questions but between your extensive knowledge and that of the fellow TivoCommunity Forum Members, I'm sure you can help.

Thanks in advance for your assistance! :D

[Pab Sungenis]

1. Will my phone & internet connection DISABLED HR10-250 download and install the 6.3 update anyway since it currently gets all the program schedules off the satellite? (phone and internet connections are disabled by TivoWebPlus)


It will download it. It will not install it.


2. If I DON'T updated to 6.3, will my HR10-250 stop working?


No.


3. If I DO get the update, will it delete TivoWebPlus 1.0 and disconnect my additional 250GB hard drive? I ask because the guy who installed TivoWebPlus warned me NOT to connect it to a phone line since he said any Tivo software updates would delete TivoWebPlus, uninstall my additional 250GB HD, disable my Linksys 100Mbps ethernet adapter, etc.


It will not delete TivoWebPlus, but it will deactivate it. When the TiVo updates, it writes the new software to an alternate partition, which won't have your hack configuration in it.


4. Is there a newer version of TivoWebPlus OR a better/more updated program to control my HR10-250 from my computer? If so, what is involved in installing this software on an HR-10-250?


Ask in the underground.


6. If I get the 6.3 update, will my HR10-250 then HAVE to successfully dial-in every day or so to work properly? If so, this would be a problem since installing a phone line to my HR10-250 would be a MAJOR project... fishing wires through and across 3 FLOORS and dealing with VOIP dial-in issues... OUCH! :eek:


Without the hack to make it think it's made successful calls, it will start nagging you after a while, but I doubt it will shut down.

There ARE ways to keep your hacks as you upgrade, and upgrade without a phone call, but they're out of place here. Ask in the underground.

[sotapoppy]

they choked and rebooted?

Nope- they didn't reboot. I was watching tv at the time. The only noted symptoms were momentary signal loss (a few minutes) and reset of remote addresses to default on both units. All other settings, ie favorite channels, dolby sound, etc. were unchanged from my settings. It seems too coincidental that they would both do this on the same day but about 15 minutes apart. Any other guesses?

[drew2k]

The only noted symptoms were momentary signal loss (a few minutes) and reset of remote addresses to default on both units. I have three TiVos in the same room, so I asked Earl in the mega-6.3-announced thread if remote IDs would be reset after 6.3 is installed. He replied that that the remote IDs would not be affected by the upgrade.I have 2 HR10s. Today one lost signal on most channels and was non responsive to my Harmony 880. Then I switched over to the other to see if that one was acting normal. Soon after, the 2nd HR10 did the same. Using the factory remote I checked the remote addresses. They both had been reset to the default settings somehow. Both HR10's regained signal by themselves. No change to software yet as it's still 3.x. Any guess to what caused this?Did you use the same "factory" remote when you checked the settings of each HR10? If you did, that may explain why the remote IDs appear to be reset. When you scroll down to the Remote ID secton of the system info page, the box will assume the identity of the TiVo remote currently being used to navigate the system info page.

[sotapoppy]

I have three TiVos in the same room, so I asked Earl in the mega-6.3-announced thread if remote IDs would be reset after 6.3 is installed. He replied that that the remote IDs would not be affected by the upgrade.Did you use the same "factory" remote when you checked the settings of each HR10? If you did, that may explain why the remote IDs appear to be reset. When you scroll down to the Remote ID secton of the system info page, the box will assume the identity of the TiVo remote currently being used to navigate the system info page.

No. The first unit to "fail" was addressed "1". The 2nd unit was "2". Before I switched over to the 2nd unit I covered the front of the 1st unit. I had previously labeled the factory peanuts "1" and "2" to keep them straight. The Harmony allowed me to switch to the 2nd unit. Then, using the Peanut "2" on 2nd unit the remote became nonresponsive (but not immediately). First the 2nd unit lost signal, then regained signal and then the remote address had changed seemingly by itself. I then checked the Harmony and it too was now nonresponsive. I checked the Peanut "1" and it now was responsive on the 2nd unit. I was careful not to "reassign" the addresses by using the "wrong" Peanut but I realize it's possible that I inadvertently readdressed the 2nd unit to "1". Even so, it seems too coincidental that both units briefly lost signal, but not at the same time.

BTW, if I wasn't watching tv when this occurred, I wouldn't even notice afterwards if not for the fact that the Harmony was failing. In other words, those of us with 1 HR10 using the Peanut may have experienced the same thing as me and not even realize it.

At first, obviously, I thought 6.x here we come. Today I forced a call-in on the 1st unit and did a manual reboot and still at 3.x. Oh well -

[JaserLet]

Anyone with a hacked HR10-250 know if the first few slices have been transmitted yet?

[bxs122]

Anyone with a hacked HR10-250 know if the first few slices have been transmitted yet?


No new slices.

[BeachBumMike]

I have 5 DVR Showcase recordings (as seen in TivoWebPlus ToDo listing) scheduled by D* for tomorrow, Monday AM. I'm in LA. This is probably info on what's happening/has happened to minimize help desk calls.

[rbreding]

I have 5 DVR Showcase recordings (as seen in TivoWebPlus ToDo listing) scheduled by D* for tomorrow, Monday AM. I'm in LA. This is probably info on what's happening/has happened to minimize help desk calls.


I have seen those in the guide for over a week now....nothing new.

[Lord Vader]

They're most likely the NFL Sunday Ticket shortcuts and other stuff that is downloaded every Monday morning.

[MichaelK]

and or crap from CBS premiers.

There are more things from cbs on my standalone then my directivos.

[kbohip]

My Tivo just quit responding to remote commands and then the display went blank. The lights on the front are on the same as if I was watching something. It's never done this and I'm hesitant to unplug for a reboot with all this talk of software upgrades.

Can't address in by Tivoweb plus either. Was able to get a bash prompt by telnetting in.

OK, this is strange. Mine's done something similiar to this a few times in the last month, only it shows a program being recorded but it won't respond to remote commands. I still see the live tv picture though, I just can't change channels or do anything else. Tonight it did something really strange though. My wife paused something she was watching and when she came back the screen was static.:confused: I've never see it do that before. It was fixed with a reboot but now I'm wondering if this is the infamous HDMI problem.

BTW, thanks for the update Earl! :up:

[rbreding]

OK, this is strange. Mine's done something similiar to this a few times in the last month, only it shows a program being recorded but it won't respond to remote commands. I still see the live tv picture though, I just can't change channels or do anything else. Tonight it did something really strange though. My wife paused something she was watching and when she came back the screen was static.:confused: I've never see it do that before. It was fixed with a reboot but now I'm wondering if this is the infamous HDMI problem.

BTW, thanks for the update Earl! :up:

If it happens again you might try this to isolate the problem:

With whatever remote system you have turn everything off (including the TV), then turn everything back on. See if that fixes the "digital snow". If your TV actually shuts off the HDMI port then this process with reset the HDMI, however if your TV doesn't shut off the HDMI port when the TV is off, it might require unplugging the TV from power. If this doesn't fix the problem then you might have the "HDMI problem", however if it does fix it, then I would be more inclined to say it was a "glitch".

[Plugplay]

I, for one, hope that 6.3 gets here soon so that I can begin bitching about something else.


The best post I've have seen in months... :)

[kbohip]

If it happens again you might try this to isolate the problem:

With whatever remote system you have turn everything off (including the TV), then turn everything back on. See if that fixes the "digital snow". If your TV actually shuts off the HDMI port then this process with reset the HDMI, however if your TV doesn't shut off the HDMI port when the TV is off, it might require unplugging the TV from power. If this doesn't fix the problem then you might have the "HDMI problem", however if it does fix it, then I would be more inclined to say it was a "glitch".

I'll definitely try this next time it happens. I have everything on a UPS, so I just switched power off to everything, tv, amp, Tivo and all.

[rbreding]

I'll definitely try this next time it happens. I have everything on a UPS, so I just switched power off to everything, tv, amp, Tivo and all.


NoNoNo, just the TV, not the Tivo.

Also, you have Amplifier on the UPS ? Is it on the battery side or the surge side ? If it is on the battery side, its probably not a good idea. Current draw from an AMP can be quite high.

[aaronwt]

A better idea is to get another UPS and split things up. I have a Denon 3806 on one UPS without any problems and also an SVS on anther and the rest of my components are split between two more.

[kbohip]

NoNoNo, just the TV, not the Tivo.

Also, you have Amplifier on the UPS ? Is it on the battery side or the surge side ? If it is on the battery side, its probably not a good idea. Current draw from an AMP can be quite high.

Yea, I meant that since I have everything on the UPS, it's much easier for me to just press the off switch on the front of it than it is for me to roll out my 57" TV and go behind it to unplug it. The next time I have this problem, I'll do that though and just unplug the tv.

As for my amp being on the UPS, it's not a problem. I don't have one of those cheap little Belkin Wal-Mart specials. I have my whole setup on an APC Smart UPS 1400. It puts out 980 watts of power and also has a 5 led indicator on the front showing what the current power load is on it. When I have everything running, it rarely goes above the 2nd led, meaning the devices plugged into it aren't straining it at all. maybe about 30% of it's rated capacity.

[threeonparfive]

Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
LMAO!

I don't think I'll ever be able to forget that old Contra cheat. Of all the crap I can't remember (and end up in a fight with the wife because of), I can remember that useless shred of knowledge.

[drew2k]

OK, this is strange. Mine's done something similiar to this a few times in the last month, only it shows a program being recorded but it won't respond to remote commands. I still see the live tv picture though, I just can't change channels or do anything else. Tonight it did something really strange though. My wife paused something she was watching and when she came back the screen was static.:confused: I've never see it do that before. It was fixed with a reboot but now I'm wondering if this is the infamous HDMI problem.

BTW, thanks for the update Earl! :up:This may or may not be related to the problem you're experiencing, but the next time you notice your remote isn't responding, wait until it works again and go to the System Info screen. Scroll down a few pages and look for "GC:" and "Indexing" dates and times. In my experience, the DirecTiVo boxes get sluggish and non-responsive when indexing and sometimes garbage collection (GC) operations are running ...

[Dan203]

I don't think I'll ever be able to forget that old Contra cheat. Of all the crap I can't remember (and end up in a fight with the wife because of), I can remember that useless shred of knowledge.

Me too! I have a horrible memory when it comes to things I need to do, but for some reason stupid crap like this sticks in my head. :)

Dan

[mx6bfast]

My HDTivo hs't had a successful call for 666 (no joke) days. However the past 2 days when I turn on the tv the channel has changed to 582 "DVR Showcase". It's never done that. Do you think I am in an area that might get the update sooner rather than later? I realize the call home is betwenn 2 - 3 but righ not the red light is on and it's not taping aything.

Ok well just about to push "post" and the red light went off and the title on the page changed to "DVR Showcase 4" and now I had a D* logo with music. Before it was blank.

[Onazuka]

I turn on my TV every morning and this morning one tuner was set to something like channel 582. I tried to change the channel and it told me it was downloading TiVo Enhanced Content and if I wanted to change the channel it would stop. This has been going on for a while so it seems that this is a major download going on.

[fasTLane]

I want to know why this stuff has started interfering with the wakeup morning hours (5 to 8) as I usually buffer two news shows to switch back and forth.

This crap needs to DL in the early hours of the am only! Or offer us the option to disable it. :mad:

[Robdec]

Yeah I was surprised to see that message on mine this morning at 7:00 AM. It wouldnt let me switch channels :( to watch the news. ( I lost a tuner a few months back on my R10 )

[mx6bfast]

When I was feeding my son I noticed that at 6:30 the red light came back on. Apparently it was dl'ing a fall CBS preview. It was only accessible in D* central.

[Anubys]

I want to know why this stuff has started interfering with the wakeup morning hours (5 to 8) as I usually buffer two news shows to switch back and forth.

This crap needs to DL in the early hours of the am only! Or offer us the option to disable it. :mad:

well, the post right above yours says it gives you that option!

[fasTLane]

I meant disable it outright so that I will have both buffers when I start my day. I suppose I could set up up recording for both tuners and that would eliminate it!

[Lord Vader]

I turn on my TV every morning and this morning one tuner was set to something like channel 582. I tried to change the channel and it told me it was downloading TiVo Enhanced Content and if I wanted to change the channel it would stop. This has been going on for a while so it seems that this is a major download going on.

Most of this is the usual Monday following football Sunday downloads, like NFL shortcuts/highlights and related stuff. Some other Showcase things are also being downloaded. It is very likely that if 6.3 is being downloaded, that will be occurring around 2:00 to 3:00 a.m. local time.

[mattdb]

Name Type FsId Date Time Size
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 974963 03/20/05 07:35 700
ACTIVE tyDb 974963 03/20/05 07:35 700

[AstroDad]

Name Type FsId Date Time Size
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 974963 03/20/05 07:35 700
ACTIVE tyDb 974963 03/20/05 07:35 700

Thanks Matt

I am just waiting for one of you guys with a hacked TiVo to say there are new slices in there. Then I will start forcing a call every 20 minutes ;)

[mattdb]

Thanks Matt

I am just waiting for one of you guys with a hacked TiVo to say there are new slices in there. Then I will start forcing a call every 20 minutes ;)

No problem, I am eagerly awaiting this also.

[kkluba]

Matt and others with modded hr10-250's - if you could take the week off for slice watching we'd all appreciate it. :)

I can see how frustrating this might get. The software could all be on your hard drive this week but the upgrade might not happen for a month. That would put me over the edge..

[Brillian1080p]

I'm recovering from level 2 spinal fusion surgery. I've got nothing but time on my hands.

But I bet someone will beat me to reporting the software is sitting on their drive.

Man was PTV smart in offering the slicer.

Many here know how to upgrade without needing it, but the conveinience is what captures my interest.

[chadly25]

Only if you're playing 2 players ... by yourself, no select. :)

Oh man, I remeber now. Guess I had it locked in my brain because I always played in two player mode.

Hey, you remember the 100x lives trick in Super Mario....

[cheer]

Matt and others with modded hr10-250's - if you could take the week off for slice watching we'd all appreciate it. :)
Just 'cos everyone is asking...I've set up a script to periodically check and page me when it's there...will that work?

Man, I'm pathetic.

[rbautch]

Just 'cos everyone is asking...I've set up a script to periodically check and page me when it's there...will that work?

Man, I'm pathetic.
What an awesome idea! Think I'll do the same, but I'll flash an osd message to my tv screen every 5 minutes after it arrives. My wife will love that.

[JimSpence]

Could it be that ch 582 which is usually downloading Showcases at 2 or 3 am was busy at that time for the upgrade? So the Showcases came down at 7am?

[Brillian1080p]

cheer and rbautch, you guys are crazy funny!

My Wife already thinks I'm nuts, but you nake me look more normal.

Thanks!

[Fullcourt81]

Originally Posted by Fullcourt81
Great news, Earl.
Everybody, remember that when your box gets the upgrade, that you have to enter the 30 second skip code, and whatever else you use, again. The box resets itself.

The series 2 boxes have a code for displaying the info about a program on the top of the screen when selected in the now playing list.

It is thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, 7,8.

I don't know if this will work in 6.3, or if it is already coded in the new upgrade.




It did work on my Hughes DirecTiVo. I tried it after I saw it here. Gotta believe the code for the HR10 will be somewhat the same.

BTW, cool feature. Didn't know that code....

All I know is that this works on my HNS SD DVR80.

To Lord Vader: this is a permanent change, you don't have to do it every time. when a program is selected in the folder, the info is displayed on the top of the screen.
Try the key sequence while you are watching a recorded program, I know that is how the 30 second skip has to be authorized.

[kkluba]

Just 'cos everyone is asking...I've set up a script to periodically check and page me when it's there...will that work?

Man, I'm pathetic.


Pathetic? You're my frikkin hero. Take that back.

[Chuck_IV]

I turn on my TV every morning and this morning one tuner was set to something like channel 582. I tried to change the channel and it told me it was downloading TiVo Enhanced Content and if I wanted to change the channel it would stop. This has been going on for a while so it seems that this is a major download going on.

One of my tuners is always tuned to 582, when I turn it on. Directv uses that channel to send me the recordings for Directv Central and any previews that have on the Tivo.

[JimSpence]

Yup, it's just that this usually happens in the wee morning hours, not 7am. :D

[cheer]

Pathetic? You're my frikkin hero.
*cough* So I either feel really good about that...

Or really bad about that...

[Lord Vader]

Just 'cos everyone is asking...I've set up a script to periodically check and page me when it's there...will that work?

Man, I'm pathetic.

Ha! That's nothing. I've set mine up to call my cell phone. :D

[cheer]

Ha! That's nothing. I've set mine up to call my cell phone. :D
If it matters, it's paging me by sending a text message to my cell phone...

[mattdb]

If it matters, it's paging me by sending a text message to my cell phone...

Well why can't you have it page the forum that way we will all know! :D

[Lord Vader]

If it matters, it's paging me by sending a text message to my cell phone...

Big deal. Mine phones me in a sultry voice. :eek: :D

[dr_mal]

Well why can't you have it page the forum that way we will all know! :D
I'm sure Doug could whip something up that would make an auto-post...

[rrr22777]

According to some other posts I read that the upgrade comes down over satellite. Then why connect the phone line?

[Lord Vader]

Because the unit's daily call out is what actually triggers the "dormant" download to install.

[jmgonzalez]

Oh man, I remeber now. Guess I had it locked in my brain because I always played in two player mode.

Hey, you remember the 100x lives trick in Super Mario....

Is that the trick with jumping on the turtle non-stop on the last section (stairs before the final jump) of one of the levels?

[no-blue-screen]

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006

Come on...send me my update :)

[drew2k]

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006

Come on...send me my update :)Whoot! :)

(All we need now is for someone to question whether or not this is an official announcement or how can they find it from the DirecTV home page.)

[hiker]

It might come next Service Data download, Tue 2:30am. Who's staying up to check? Not me.

[altan]

Now is that 2:30AM EST or PST (or central)? :)

... Altan

[Onazuka]

Notice how they said several weeks. At least we won't have to wait months to get it.

PS - This is perfect timing since tomorrow Apple is going to announce their DVR and I"ll be ditching my HR10-250 :D

[tarman]

Heard the rumor that Apple is buying TiVo as a quick entry into the Home Video market?

[phox_mulder]

Whoot! :)

(All we need now is for someone to question whether or not this is an official announcement or how can they find it from the DirecTV home page.)

I'll bite.

Nowhere on that page does it say HR10-250.

:D

The screen shown does have the TiVo guy on it though.


phox

[JaserLet]

How long did it take to download 6.2 from satellite? Was it possible to download the entire update in one night or did it require several nights?

I didn't update to 6.2 until after they removed the update from the satellite, thus my update was obtained over the phone instead.

[Dan203]

Each DirecTV channel has 3-4Mbps bandwidth, so I'd guess it can download via the dish pretty quickly unless they throttle it down for some reason.

Dan

[Adam1115]

Whoot! :)

(All we need now is for someone to question whether or not this is an official announcement or how can they find it from the DirecTV home page.)

Regardless of whether its official, it does seem (due to the timing) to corroborate Earl's statements that the upgrade is being released.