HR10-250 6.3 Update; Confirmation and Release Notes

[Lord Vader]

Now is that 2:30AM EST or PST (or central)? :)

... Altan

Local time.

[GalenMD]

I'll bite.

Nowhere on that page does it say HR10-250.

:D

The screen shown does have the TiVo guy on it though.


phox
What other HD-DVR is capable of receiving the update? Certainly, it's not the HR20. Glad to see that D* has re-activated the upgrade website.

[Lord Vader]

Only the HR10-250 will be receiving the 6.3 upgrade.

[jasch]

What an awesome idea! Think I'll do the same, but I'll flash an osd message to my tv screen every 5 minutes after it arrives. My wife will love that.

My new home page is http://192.168.0.15/mfs/SwSystem

That way every time I open any browser (which I do all day long) I can check the mfs for any slices.

BTW, this works both from home and work, since I have a wifi connection between both (1km distance)

[bdraw]

Does anyone know if you have to be on the latest version to get the update?
I am a few versions back since I didn't want to re-hack.

[phox_mulder]

Does anyone know if you have to be on the latest version to get the update?
I am a few versions back since I didn't want to re-hack.

I thought the current version was the version they all shipped with?


phox

[MisterEd]

Folders question: After you delete all the recordings inside the folder does the folder go away until you have more then one show recorded again?

[codespy]

Yes it goes away and then automatically comes back with 2nd recording.

[Klydeman]

So all...How is SLICE WATCH 2006 going? :eek:

[ebonovic]

Regardless of whether its official, it does seem (due to the timing) to corroborate Earl's statements that the upgrade is being released.

[spaceball yogert]

What? You doubted me?

[/yogert]


:D

[codespy]

Hmmm....I think I hear the sounds of a million different people running to plug their phone lines in.....click.....click.....click.....

...What? You forgot to pay the phone bill hun????

Seriously Earl, shouldn't you be with your wife right now? Isn't it today?

[ebonovic]

Hmmm....I think I hear the sounds of a million different people running to plug their phone lines in.....click.....click.....click.....

...What? You forgot to pay the phone bill hun????

Seriously Earl, shouldn't you be with your wife right now? Isn't it today?

It is is, but we had a bit of a "crisis" over at DBSTalk... so I am mending a few fences.... (plus she is in the shower)

[codespy]

(plus she is in the shower)

And your on your cpu WHY??????

...It's like a freebie..... :D

[Lord Vader]

Crisis??? Do tel, do tell. :D

[ebonovic]

And your on your cpu WHY??????

...It's like a freebie..... :D

Too easy...... I shouldn't even give you the two points for that one.

[ebonovic]

Crisis??? Do tel, do tell. :D

An eCommerce site, sent an email stating that the HR20 was backordered.
Which is 100% false. I have confirmation from DirecTV, and another very popular eCommerce company that this is not the case.

[Lord Vader]

Is that all? And here I thought it was a juicy, salacious tale to tell. :(

[codespy]

OK, how long will it take to get to 2000 posts on this thread since the other is now closed?

I will assume some will have committed suicide before that happens.

Is she STILL in the shower Earl? :D

[temp357]

Regardless of whether its official, it does seem (due to the timing) to corroborate Earl's statements that the upgrade is being released.

With all due respect to Earl of Course...


...sorry still don't buy this elaborate hoax. :D

[muzzymate]

Folders question: After you delete all the recordings inside the folder does the folder go away until you have more then one show recorded again?

Yes, the folder will go away if you have less than two of the same program names or items recorded with the same Wishlist. The only exception to that is the Suggestions folder which is always present even if empty.

[myfins1]

I have a question related to the upgrade. I have been putting off some mods to my tivo. I have instant cake and ptvnet I was going to run. The cake is for 3.1.1f. My set is currently on that. It is 100% stock hard drive. I have 2 300g drives I was going to put in it and setup with the normal plusses.

Should I wait to do this? I was going to upgrade it tonight. Would it be better to do this so I can manually upgrade it and reconfigure the plusses. Or should I wait for the new update and then get a new cake for that one? Thanks for your input.

[petejones1]

So, I guess it's official, Earl, you rock!

[Big Daddy P]

My hr10-250 continually gets stuck on the negotiating portion of an attempted phone out. I hadn't tried a phone out in almost 10 months prior to this. Called D* tech support - they couldn't get it to work either. Their solution is to send out a replacement. Now I'm worried that there are no more HR10-250's and I'll be stuck with an HR20-700.

Anyone have a similar phone out problem & solve it?

[newsposter]

nice to see my hack of the page showed up as planned and you think you are getting 6.3 again....after you all plug in your phone lines, my evil plan will be complete

no i can't tell you what the plan is, that would take the fun out of it

[tbh999]

Notice how they said several weeks. At least we won't have to wait months to get it....I don't know, three months is 12 weeks and I think 12 qualifies as several. ;)

But I hope I get it sooner than later. I really miss folders, faster would be good too, but folders are my No. 1 HDirecTivo desire...Well, that and world piece.

[Sir_winealot]

My hr10-250 continually gets stuck on the negotiating portion of an attempted phone out. I hadn't tried a phone out in almost 10 months prior to this. Called D* tech support - they couldn't get it to work either. Their solution is to send out a replacement. Now I'm worried that there are no more HR10-250's and I'll be stuck with an HR20-700.

Anyone have a similar phone out problem & solve it?


Mine was stuck on negotiating and couldn't complete for a few days ...I just kept at it, forcing calls and it finally completed. The call took a long time to complete.

[mattdb]

No software update slices on my three machines.

Matt


Bonus-TiVo# echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh
Directory of /SwSystem starting at ''

Name Type FsId Date Time Size
---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 974963 03/20/05 07:35 700
ACTIVE tyDb 974963 03/20/05 07:35 700

Bonus-TiVo#

[Adam1115]

[spaceball yogert]

What? You doubted me?

[/yogert]


:D

I doubt EVERYONE! ;)

That, and didn't put it past directv to change their minds...

[mattdb]

The only thing that I am seeing in my to do list is:



Thu 9/14 4:10 am DTV DVR Showcase 5 No Episode Title +
Thu 9/14 4:20 am DTV DVR Showcase 2 No Episode Title +
Thu 9/14 4:35 am DTV DVR Showcase 3 No Episode Title +
Thu 9/14 4:55 am DTV DVR Showcase 3 No Episode Title +
Thu 9/14 6:05 am DTV DVR Showcase 1 No Episode Title +
Thu 9/14 6:15 am DTV DVR Showcase 2 No Episode Title +
Thu 9/14 6:20 am DTV DVR Showcase 3 No Episode Title +
Fri 9/15 6:10 am DTV DVR Showcase 6 No Episode Title



and this is as far out as 9/23.

Checking my svclog I see

aval_file TCD_ID=3570000D038296D CALL_ID=1149019532 TIME=1158042632 AVAL_ID=0000345B00002A39 FILE_NAME=AF-standard-v62.slice.gz FILE_STATUS=IGNORE_ALREADY_HAVE SRC=plany


And there is a Judge Judy slice.... :D

[clorox]

The only thing that I am seeing in my to do list is:
And there is a Judge Judy slice.... :D

I definitely would like a slice of that! :eek: :eek: BOO YAH!!! :eek: :eek:

JK

[mattdb]

I definitely would like a slice of that! :eek: :eek: BOO YAH!!! :eek: :eek:

JK

I want to go on record as saying, I have no clue why that is there. I can't stand those shows.

[cheer]

I definitely would like a slice of that! :eek: :eek: BOO YAH!!! :eek: :eek:
Oh thanks for that. I'll never be able to take enough showers such that I'll feel clean after reading that.

[psywzrd]

My hr10-250 continually gets stuck on the negotiating portion of an attempted phone out. I hadn't tried a phone out in almost 10 months prior to this. Called D* tech support - they couldn't get it to work either. Their solution is to send out a replacement. Now I'm worried that there are no more HR10-250's and I'll be stuck with an HR20-700.

Anyone have a similar phone out problem & solve it?

Mine is having trouble dialing out too. I've always had the phone line hooked up and never had any problems dialing out until today. I can't even complete a test call (Failed: Service not answering). What's up with that?

[mattdb]

Mine is having trouble dialing out too. I've always had the phone line hooked up and never had any problems dialing out until today. I can't even complete a test call (Failed: Service not answering). What's up with that?

Everyone is trying to call in and killing their system???

[psywzrd]

Everyone is trying to call in and killing their system???

I was thinking the same thing but I figured I'd at least be able to make a test call. I guess I was wrong...

[smoberly]

I was just on the phone with D* discussing another matter...while I had them on line, I asked about the upgrade. The CSR referenced some notice they had received which indicated that the upgrade was to start today for some folks and would roll out between today and the 4th of October....

[thebarge]

I was just on the phone with D* discussing another matter...while I had them on line, I asked about the upgrade. The CSR referenced some notice they had received which indicated that the upgrade was to start today for some folks and would roll out between today and the 4th of October....Know what that means? I won't get it until October 4th knowing my luck :(

[mattdb]

You know, I just realized that the S3 hit the street today. I wonder if that is why they are rolling this out. If this turns out to be a farce, then S3 here I come.

Matt

[no-blue-screen]

they should have some kind of priority list that people can sign up for, just like Tivo did for the SA tivos. I guess I will just play the waiting game :(

[ebonovic]

You know, I just realized that the S3 hit the street today. I wonder if that is why they are rolling this out. If this turns out to be a farce, then S3 here I come.

Matt

I can guarantee you that it is not a farce....
And I know at least from the DirecTV side of things, there is no corollation between the T3 release and the 6.3 release for HR10-250.

And from a TiVo side of things.... If they could, they probably would have squashed the release of 6.3 on the HR10-250, as the folders and improved speed are going to make it difficult for people to consider dropping $800 per T3, and then the monthly service fees.

[mattdb]

I can guarantee you that it is not a farce....
And I know at least from the DirecTV side of things, there is no corollation between the T3 release and the 6.3 release for HR10-250.

And from a TiVo side of things.... If they could, they probably would have squashed the release of 6.3 on the HR10-250, as the folders and improved speed are going to make it difficult for people to consider dropping $800 per T3, and then the monthly service fees.


Good point on the TiVo side. Do you know of anyone who has gotten any slices? The NDA should be dead now.

[naijai]

You know, I just realized that the S3 hit the street today. I wonder if that is why they are rolling this out. If this turns out to be a farce, then S3 here I come.

Matt

i was thinking the same thing and hopefully it will be the same menu as th S3 saw it on www.hdbeat.com and man its good

[Adam1115]

I can guarantee you that it is not a farce....
And I know at least from the DirecTV side of things, there is no corollation between the T3 release and the 6.3 release for HR10-250.

And from a TiVo side of things.... If they could, they probably would have squashed the release of 6.3 on the HR10-250, as the folders and improved speed are going to make it difficult for people to consider dropping $800 per T3, and then the monthly service fees.

I was just having this conversation.. with no MRV and Networking, the HR10 with 6.3 will be very similar to the T3..

I wonder when PTVUpgrade will have the 6.3 upgrade available for download..? :D

[screamndigit]

And from a TiVo side of things.... If they could, they probably would have squashed the release of 6.3 on the HR10-250, as the folders and improved speed are going to make it difficult for people to consider dropping $800 per T3, and then the monthly service fees.

Absolutely. I was considering a series 3 especially since I saw that they're gonna let me transfer lifetime memberships from my old series 1 (for a price) ... but now I'm gonna sit tight waiting for 6.3 to come down.

[yaddayaddayadda]

Know what that means? I won't get it until October 4th knowing my luck :(

Three weeks at max isn't too bad considering how long we've waited up to this point. Assuming this information is correct, of course.

[convbcuda]

It is is, but we had a bit of a "crisis" over at DBSTalk... so I am mending a few fences.... (plus she is in the shower)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PA/6850053~Alfred-Hitchcock-S-Psycho-Posters.jpg

[moonman]

BTW.....the "infamous" missing page on D* announcing the update is back up
http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006

[kbohip]

they should have some kind of priority list that people can sign up for, just like Tivo did for the SA tivos. I guess I will just play the waiting game :(

Someone should e-mail Directv that "other" 6.3 upgrade thread. I can guarantee you that everyone who posted in that thread would have 6.3 on their machines by tomorrow. Directv would be too scared not to give it to us first! :p

[BrettStah]

Someone should e-mail Directv that "other" 6.3 upgrade thread. I can guarantee you that everyone who posted in that thread would have 6.3 on their machines by tomorrow. Directv would be too scared not to give it to us first! :p
Not everyone in that thread.

[moonman]

This post http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4359953&&#post4359953
say's there are differances between the original page and the new one...I did not save
the earlier one...can someone say what the diff. are???
CODESPY where are you??? That thread is locked...

[kbohip]

Not everyone in that thread.

Lol, true, there are a few that would not get it at all probably.

[smoberly]

BTW.....the "infamous" missing page on D* announcing the update is back up
http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006

How do I navigate to this page on the actual site vs. accessing via the URL in the post?

[Bob_Newhart]

How do I navigate to this page on the actual site vs. accessing via the URL in the post?
Look under the section for "Avoid E-Mail Fraud"




:D

Actually, I was looking around there and couldn't find it. Curiouser and curiouser...

[gruxx]

This post http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4359953&&#post4359953
say's there are differances between the original page and the new one...I did not save
the earlier one...can someone say what the diff. are???
CODESPY where are you??? That thread is locked...


Try comparing
http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006
with this:
http://www.gammaquad.com/63/

[billcoff]

This post http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4359953&&#post4359953
say's there are differances between the original page and the new one...I did not save
the earlier one...can someone say what the diff. are???
CODESPY where are you??? That thread is locked...

Most notable difference in my opinion:
Old:
http://www.gammaquad.com/63/
Great news for customers with the DIRECTV® DVR!
Your 6.3 Software Upgrade is coming soon.
New:
http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006
Great news for customers with the DIRECTV® HD DVR!
Your 6.3 Software Upgrade is coming soon.

Also NEW added:
To change Dolby Digital Settings:
1. Select "Messages and Setup"
2. Select "Settings"
3. Select "Audio"
4. Select "Dolby Digital" and "Digital Output"

[gruxx]

How do I navigate to this page on the actual site vs. accessing via the URL in the post?

I can't find a way. yet.

The only difference between July 3 and today is Dolby stuff:

Will any of my DVR settings be changed as a result of the upgrade?
Yes, some of your settings or preferences will be changed back to the factory default settings as a result of the upgrade. These include: "Favorite Channels," "Channels You Receive," "Spending Limits," "Clear Channel Banner Quickly" and "Dolby Digital" recording and output.

(same)
(same)

To change Dolby Digital Settings:
1. Select "Messages and Setup"
2. Select "Settings"
3. Select "Audio"
4. Select "Dolby Digital" and "Digital Output"

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EDIT:
Billcoff and I are stupid for each other!

[BrettStah]

How do I navigate to this page on the actual site vs. accessing via the URL in the post?
Oh boy, here we go again!

:D


Seriously, if anyone (not picking on smoberly here) still doesn't think the upgrade is coming, just plug in your phone line anyway, and you'll (hopefully) be pleasantly surprised within a month's time.

DirecTV's site sucks in terms of navigation and searching. I just searched for "software upgrade", and nothing was found. Not one link is found. A search for just "software" returns nothing more than various customer service agreements.

Yet if you use google to search DirecTV's site, you get all sorts of results, including links for the 6.2 upgrade that the newer DirecTivos already received, as well as the upcoming 6.3 upgrade page already posted here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=software+upgrade+site%3Adirectv.com

[moonman]

Most notable difference in my opinion:
Old:
http://www.gammaquad.com/63/
Great news for customers with the DIRECTV® DVR!
Your 6.3 Software Upgrade is coming soon.
New:
http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006
Great news for customers with the DIRECTV® HD DVR!
Your 6.3 Software Upgrade is coming soon.

Also NEW added:
To change Dolby Digital Settings:
1. Select "Messages and Setup"
2. Select "Settings"
3. Select "Audio"
4. Select "Dolby Digital" and "Digital Output"
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Thanks very much...looks like they wanted to specify the update is for the H/D
unit & some audio menu changes...thanks.. :)

[smoberly]

Oh boy, here we go again!

:D


Seriously, if anyone (not picking on smoberly here) still doesn't think the upgrade is coming, just plug in your phone line anyway, and you'll (hopefully) be pleasantly surprised within a month's time.

DirecTV's site sucks in terms of navigation and searching. I just searched for "software upgrade", and nothing was found. Not one link is found. A search for just "software" returns nothing more than various customer service agreements.

Yet if you use google to search DirecTV's site, you get all sorts of results, including links for the 6.2 upgrade that the newer DirecTivos already received, as well as the upcoming 6.3 upgrade page already posted here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=software+upgrade+site%3Adirectv.com

I absolutely believe it to be true....I can't wait...just curious how to find it directly on the D8 site...I tried searching their site with any number of combinaitons of words and phrases and couldn't find it...

[FriscoJoe]

I absolutely believe it to be true....I can't wait...just curious how to find it directly on the D8 site...I tried searching their site with any number of combinaitons of words and phrases and couldn't find it...
It almost seems to me that this will be sent out via email...and this page is simply the page it takes you to if you can't read HTML email...that's my theory anyway.

[ACE101]

Hi all, I'm new to this forum and I tried several searches and can't find anything about upgrading our HR10-250s to TiVo version 6.3. Could somebody help?
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JUST KIDDING! STOP HITTING ME! :D

[BrettStah]

I absolutely believe it to be true....I can't wait...just curious how to find it directly on the D8 site...I tried searching their site with any number of combinaitons of words and phrases and couldn't find it...

Yep, I find that DirecTV's site isn't alone (in terms of crappy searching capabilities). That's why I love google's site search feature (just end your google searches with site:directv.com, or whatever site you want to search).

[drew2k]

BTW.....the "infamous" missing page on D* announcing the update is back up
http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006Indeed. It's back up by around 56 posts or so (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4359423&&#post4359423) from where you posted! :D

[T1V0]

And finally, D* CSRs are able to acknowledge whats going on. Asked 2 of them today, and they both said that all receivers should get the update between today 9/12 and 10/04.

[TonyD79]

And from a TiVo side of things.... If they could, they probably would have squashed the release of 6.3 on the HR10-250, as the folders and improved speed are going to make it difficult for people to consider dropping $800 per T3, and then the monthly service fees.

Huh?

I know some people here are talking about going to the S3 rather than stick with DirecTV but most people don't change providers that quickly. Since the S3 doesn't do DirecTV, I really doubt that should be a reason for TiVo to want to kill 6.3.

Except for Tivo loyalists, more people would jump on the HR20 rather than switch to the S3 if they got tired of the slowness, etc., which would also cost TiVo money.

Think it out, Earl, you could use the same argument to say that TiVo would never upgrade their other units nor ever release the Comcast unit so they could push the S3.

[tivoupgrade]

Huh?

I know some people here are talking about going to the S3 rather than stick with DirecTV but most people don't change providers that quickly. Since the S3 doesn't do DirecTV, I really doubt that should be a reason for TiVo to want to kill 6.3.

Except for Tivo loyalists, more people would jump on the HR20 rather than switch to the S3 if they got tired of the slowness, etc., which would also cost TiVo money.

Think it out, Earl, you could use the same argument to say that TiVo would never upgrade their other units nor ever release the Comcast unit so they could push the S3.

Whether people stick with their HR10-250 units or jump to the HR20, it makes no difference to TiVo. TiVo has had no control, or interest, in what DirecTV has done with that platform and software for quite some time.

I'm sure there are those at TiVo that would prefer to see the HR10-250 die a quiet death because there is an opportunity to ultimately replace with a Series3, but I doubt there are many who care one way or the other (other than the religious ones).

The bulk of the money is NOT in the existing customer base - its in the new customers. For DirecTV, they will make more money pushing the HR20 than the HR10 (if they weren't, then they'd still be manufacturing and pushing the sales of the HR10). For TiVo, its all about standalone units...

[Bananfish]

And finally, D* CSRs are able to acknowledge whats going on. Asked 2 of them today, and they both said that all receivers should get the update between today 9/12 and 10/04.

Aaaacckkk! Here I was all sure that the update was actually going to happen, and then you have to go and tell me THAT. Now that I know the CSRs say it's going to happen, doubts have crept back in all over again.

:D

[TonyD79]

Whether people stick with their HR10-250 units or jump to the HR20, it makes no difference to TiVo. TiVo has had no control, or interest, in what DirecTV has done with that platform and software for quite some time.


You are saying TiVo is getting no money from subs anymore to the HR10? Money is money.

I'm sure there are those at TiVo that would prefer to see the HR10-250 die a quiet death because there is an opportunity to ultimately replace with a Series3, but I doubt there are many who care one way or the other (other than the religious ones).


The religion is not the point EXCEPT that more customers would just get the HR20 than go to cable with the S3. It is very tunnel visioned to think that those beyond the TiVo fanatics are going to change providers JUST because of the DVR software. And would want to incur the cost ($800 plus monthly fees) when they can basically change to the HR20 for next to nothing and no increase in monthly cost to them from the HR10.

I surely hope that the TiVo marketing folks are that dumb to think that they are going to get customers that way.

(Now if you said they are losing money on maintenance of the HR10, that would be a selling point but one SW upgrade every couple years is hardly costly.)


The bulk of the money is NOT in the existing customer base - its in the new customers. For DirecTV, they will make more money pushing the HR20 than the HR10 (if they weren't, then they'd still be manufacturing and pushing the sales of the HR10). For TiVo, its all about standalone units...

You are assuming that HR10 customers (who are DirecTV customers) are going to switch just for TiVo. That is pure nonsense. There will be some, of course, but people judge providers on channels available, service, picture quality, ease of use and cost. The software the DVR is running is ancillary. (It falls under ease of use.)

It is quite naive to think that the average consumer is going to shill out $800 and switch to cable just because they don't have folders and the guide is slow.

[Adam1115]

How do I navigate to this page on the actual site vs. accessing via the URL in the post?

The same way you navigate to the 6.2 upgrade page on the actual site.

:p

[cheer]

I'm sure there are those at TiVo that would prefer to see the HR10-250 die a quiet death because there is an opportunity to ultimately replace with a Series3
Not really, other than customers that are wealthy Tivo fanatics. I couldn't even begin to justify the cost of replacing my DirecTivos with S3 units. I can't believe anyone at Tivo would be deluded enough to think this would be a common occurrence.

[eddieras99]

what is this??? from the directv website faq

Are all DIRECTV DVRs receiving this upgrade?
No. DIRECTV DVR models SONY SAT-T60, PHILIPS DSR6000R and HUGHES GXCEBOT will not receive the 6.3 software upgrade.

that's bs - anyone know why that is? i of course, have the gxcebot

[scottjf8]

what is this??? from the directv website faq

Are all DIRECTV DVRs receiving this upgrade?
No. DIRECTV DVR models SONY SAT-T60, PHILIPS DSR6000R and HUGHES GXCEBOT will not receive the 6.3 software upgrade.

that's bs - anyone know why that is? i of course, have the gxcebot

They havent updated the software on Series 1s in years and wont again... we live with it...

[hiker]

They havent updated the software on Series 1s in years and wont again... we live with it...
Actually they upgraded S1 D*TiVos to 3.5.0 back in April:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3977171&&#post3977171

[rminsk]

that's bs - anyone know why that is? i of course, have the gxcebotThe series 1 standalone TiVo has never made it past version 4.x of the software. DirecTV just upgraded the DirecTiVo series 1 to 3.5 in April which has the faster database.

[BrettStah]

what is this??? from the directv website faq

Are all DIRECTV DVRs receiving this upgrade?
No. DIRECTV DVR models SONY SAT-T60, PHILIPS DSR6000R and HUGHES GXCEBOT will not receive the 6.3 software upgrade.

that's bs - anyone know why that is? i of course, have the gxcebot
This is an update for the HD DirecTivo (HR10-250).

[chadly25]

Is that the trick with jumping on the turtle non-stop on the last section (stairs before the final jump) of one of the levels?

You got it. You just had to be careful not to get more than 100 or you would die very quickly. Ahhhh the good ole days of games :)

[tivoupgrade]

You are saying TiVo is getting no money from subs anymore to the HR10? Money is money.

Pretty sure they aren't...



The religion is not the point EXCEPT that more customers would just get the HR20 than go to cable with the S3. It is very tunnel visioned to think that those beyond the TiVo fanatics are going to change providers JUST because of the DVR software. And would want to incur the cost ($800 plus monthly fees) when they can basically change to the HR20 for next to nothing and no increase in monthly cost to them from the HR10.


I'm not talking about people changing providers. I think the bulk of the people willing to change providers are the enthusiasts. I think for everyone else, its just a commodity. I think you are arguing some other point - the only point I'm making is that the bottom line for DirecTV is better with the HR20 than it is with the HR10; at least they think it is.


I surely hope that the TiVo marketing folks are that dumb to think that they are going to get customers that way.


I don't think that TiVo is depending upon stealing DirecTV/TiVo customers (although they'd be happy to have them. I think they are attempting to appeal to the enthusiast in the growing standalone DVR sector by offering a differentiated product. The jury is out on whether they can pull it off. I am biased in that this was the SGI strategy many years ago when their market was becoming commoditized. It did not work for them. Lets hope that TiVo learned from that (given that they were founded by SGI folks).


(Now if you said they are losing money on maintenance of the HR10, that would be a selling point but one SW upgrade every couple years is hardly costly.)


Not sure who you mean by "they." If they==TiVo then any maintenance updates they've provided to DirecTV are under contractual obligations or because DirecTV paid for them. If they==DirecTV, well, its a cost of doing business to provide a minimum level of support for a period of time.

Again, not really sure what point you are arguing - the point I was making in my previous post is that I don't think TiVo cares one way or the other about the enthusiasts in the DirecTV customer-base who might or might not jump ship to pick up a Series3. I think that what they DO care about is the growing standalone DVR market that exists in a variety of cable marketplaces and that they are hoping that there are enough folks out there who want a higher-end solution that they are willing to pay additional $ for.

The point I'll make know is that its not clear to me (as a stockholder) that they will be able to pull it off.





You are assuming that HR10 customers (who are DirecTV customers) are going to switch just for TiVo. That is pure nonsense. There will be some, of course, but people judge providers on channels available, service, picture quality, ease of use and cost. The software the DVR is running is ancillary. (It falls under ease of use.)


No I'm not. I'm essentially agreeing with what you are saying here, other than your false accusation.


It is quite naive to think that the average consumer is going to shill out $800 and switch to cable just because they don't have folders and the guide is slow.

I agree with you there, but I think you are arguing with the wrong guy...

[inet22]

I have been monitoring this thread waiting for someone to post the news about actually receiving the 6.3 slices and checking for the MRV code. Now with S3 being available it’s even harder waiting. From my prospective I don’t want to invest 800.00 per unit but I do want HDTV PRV’s and I do want MRV. Although it’s not cheap moving to the S3; watching recorded TV is something I do everyday of my life, so when I think about all the things I do spend money on and then I think how much time I spend watching TV, it’s worth it to me. I guess I’m going to give it another week to see if 6.3 has what I’m looking for in a PVR and if it doesn’t deliver than it looks like the S3 is the way to go.

[Bananfish]

The series 1 standalone TiVo has never made it past version 4.x of the software. DirecTV just upgraded the DirecTiVo series 1 to 3.5 in April which has the faster database.

I believe that the three models asked about (the Sony SAT-T60, Phillips DSR6000R and the Hughes GXCEBOT) are all DirecTiVo series 1 boxes. At the very least, I know the GXCEBOT is a DirecTiVo because I have one in my bedroom. And no, it doesn't have folders, and I don't expect it ever will.

[phox_mulder]

what is this??? from the directv website faq

Are all DIRECTV DVRs receiving this upgrade?
No. DIRECTV DVR models SONY SAT-T60, PHILIPS DSR6000R and HUGHES GXCEBOT will not receive the 6.3 software upgrade.

that's bs - anyone know why that is? i of course, have the gxcebot

Of course they won't be getting the upgrade, as the headline of the DirecTV page says thus:
Great news for customers with the DIRECTV® HD DVR!
Your 6.3 Software Upgrade is coming soon

The DirecTV R10 DVR won't be getting it either, nor will any other Series 2 DirecTV DVR, as they aren't DIRECTV® HD DVRs!

:rolleyes:


phox

[jnangano]

Know what that means? I won't get it until October 4th knowing my luck :(

Yeah, I can see it now...

Halfway thru the season premiere of Lost...

Please wait while you system is upgraded....

[Dssturbo1]

i prefer the 6.3 upgrade over lost anyday. but get your point

[vernsh]

I'll believe it when I get it.

[efm]

My hr10-250 continually gets stuck on the negotiating portion of an attempted phone out. I hadn't tried a phone out in almost 10 months prior to this. Called D* tech support - they couldn't get it to work either. Their solution is to send out a replacement. Now I'm worried that there are no more HR10-250's and I'll be stuck with an HR20-700.

Anyone have a similar phone out problem & solve it?both my hr10 and my old stand-alone S1 started developed this problem after many years phoning in without problems. after a few calls, i finally solved this by using a dsl filter on the phone jack into which the tivos connected...no problems since.

efm

[aaronwt]

The DirecTiVos are SD. I will be replacing my HD DirecTiVos with the S3. If BB would hurry up and get them here locally I can get them with 3 years no interest. So I'll get at least 2, maybe 3.

[MikeE.]

I have been monitoring this thread waiting for someone to post the news about actually receiving the 6.3 slices and checking for the MRV code. Now with S3 being available it’s even harder waiting. From my prospective I don’t want to invest 800.00 per unit but I do want HDTV PRV’s and I do want MRV. Although it’s not cheap moving to the S3; watching recorded TV is something I do everyday of my life, so when I think about all the things I do spend money on and then I think how much time I spend watching TV, it’s worth it to me. I guess I’m going to give it another week to see if 6.3 has what I’m looking for in a PVR and if it doesn’t deliver than it looks like the S3 is the way to go.

If you place importance on MRV then your wait isn't over yet - stand alone TiVo S3 doesn't have it either.

[TallGuy]

Vonage Settings
in the dial prefix box enter: 2122773895, this is a new york # maybe manhatten i cant remember

in the call waiting prefix box enter: *99,,*79,,#034 i dont know what the first two numbers do but the #034 is to lower the baud rate of the modem.

tone
off
off

leave whatever dial in # you have alone. after i got this to connect i tried to get the 212 # in the dial in # box and remove it from the dial in prefix box to no avail. i was able to dial in and retrieve #s for 212 but when i selected it and deleted the # out of the prefix box it quit working.

try this three or four times, if it doesnt connect log on to your vonage account and set bandwidth saver to 90kbps. and also enable your line for fax capability.

my tivos are on second line from vonage box which is a fax line (small business plan). i did not have to change any info on vonage account, but since the line i have mine hooked to is already set up for faxes you guys might need to go through those last steps

since i did this i have a 99% reliability on forced and scheduled calls.
Has anyone gotten this to work? I would love some codes to get my HR10-250 to work with Vonage. No successful call in 113 days at this point. The SAT-T60 calls in fine on the same Vonage line.

Why would the prefix be 2122773895? If it's dialing New York first, wouldn't it need a 1 in front of it?

Whoever is a guru of this, let's figure this out and share so we can get our stinkin' 6.3 at some point...thanks in advance

[Adam1115]

Has anyone gotten this to work? I would love some codes to get my HR10-250 to work with Vonage. No successful call in 113 days at this point. The SAT-T60 calls in fine on the same Vonage line.

Why would the prefix be 2122773895? If it's dialing New York first, wouldn't it need a 1 in front of it?

Whoever is a guru of this, let's figure this out and share so we can get our stinkin' 6.3 at some point...thanks in advance

You are giving yourself brain damange. Seriously, give up. Use PPP through the internet, it's NOT hard, wordks EVERY time. I have packet8, dialing in with the modem doesn't work. PPP works great.

[TallGuy]

OK. I thought I knew almost everything about Tivos, except for the hacking/Linux stuff, but I will have to find out how to do the PPP stuff when I have time to research it... if anyone has a link, that would be awesome.

[myfins1]

OK. I thought I knew almost everything about Tivos, except for the hacking/Linux stuff, but I will have to find out how to do the PPP stuff when I have time to research it... if anyone has a link, that would be awesome.

http://www.tivohelp.com/archive/tivohelp.swiki.net/45.html

This helped me with PPP. I have vonage as well. I couldnt get anything to work. This helped me. If you have a tivo serial cable you can do PPP. Or you need to make yourself one, buy one or whatever.

As a note, somewhere else I read that you might need to assign 2 ip addresses in the IP settings page when you create the incoming connections. I tried letting my DHCP server assign it and it wouldn't. So when I assigned it a range of IPs it worked. You need to use a range you know your DHCP is not using. And it needs to have at least 2. I used 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.110 and it worked.

[kbohip]

You are giving yourself brain damange. Seriously, give up. Use PPP through the internet, it's NOT hard, wordks EVERY time. I have packet8, dialing in with the modem doesn't work. PPP works great.

My HR10-250 dials in to the New York number everytime and I'm using Vonage. I've forced a call once a day for the last week in anticipation of getting the 6.3 software and it's not had a problem once.

Don't give up Tallguy, the HR10-250 CAN call in to the mothership with Vonage!

Here are the settings that work for me:

Dial in number - 389-1505
Prefix - *99,12122773895,,,,
Call waiting - *70
Tone
Phone available - On
Dial tone detect - On

A few things you should also know. Right now I'm using Adelphia (Comcast?) Premier HSI. I've noticed that with Premier my dial ins with both my HR10 and R-10 Tivo's work better. They did dial in 80% of the time with the regular speed HSI though just fine.

Now maybe you can answer a question for me Tallguy, where is the guide data for channel 5-1 for the HR10-250?

[Onazuka]

Has anyone gotten this to work? I would love some codes to get my HR10-250 to work with Vonage. No successful call in 113 days at this point. The SAT-T60 calls in fine on the same Vonage line.

Why would the prefix be 2122773895? If it's dialing New York first, wouldn't it need a 1 in front of it?

Whoever is a guru of this, let's figure this out and share so we can get our stinkin' 6.3 at some point...thanks in advance


My HR10-250 and Vonage work great. I don't even need to use all these codes and the NYC numbers. I just setup my HR10-250 like I have a regular phone line and it woks. I would not get involved with the PPP scheme, you shouldn't have to do all that. I have Comcast with 768K upload which helps. I also had the LinkSys PAP 2 phone adaptor which harldy worked and was a ppiece of crap. I replaced it with the new D-Link phone adaptor and everything works great.

[Stevesreed]

OK. I thought I knew almost everything about Tivos, except for the hacking/Linux stuff, but I will have to find out how to do the PPP stuff when I have time to research it... if anyone has a link, that would be awesome.

If you have a Mac ppp works great too:

google "osxhax tivo ppp" (sorry, I cannot post link for some reason...)

I connect to my old G4 Powerbook every month to get rid of the nag messages.

In adition to a Tivo serial cable (from 9thtee) you'll need a USB to serial adaptor.

[mattdb]

No updates on any of my three units.

[fjwagner]

I am guessing that the updates wont start until we either get an email or a letter. If I recall, the last round of updates on some of the older machines (cant remember the version or model numbers) happened after a mailing. I have not received anything official regarding our HR10's. Fred

[tivoupgrade]

Not really, other than customers that are wealthy Tivo fanatics. I couldn't even begin to justify the cost of replacing my DirecTivos with S3 units. I can't believe anyone at Tivo would be deluded enough to think this would be a common occurrence.

You took what I said out of context. My point was that if there were any folks like that there, that they are likely small in number. Yes, if its a critical portion of their strategy to replace DirecTiVo's with standalone TiVos, they have big problems.

I did qualify what I said about the fact that its new customers that are important to both of these folks... (DirecTV and TiVo)

[tazzmission]

My HR10-250 and Vonage work great. I don't even need to use all these codes and the NYC numbers. I just setup my HR10-250 like I have a regular phone line and it woks. I would not get involved with the PPP scheme, you shouldn't have to do all that. I have Comcast with 768K upload which helps. I also had the LinkSys PAP 2 phone adaptor which harldy worked and was a ppiece of crap. I replaced it with the new D-Link phone adaptor and everything works great.

What router do you use?

I have Adelphia HSI with their Motorola cable modem, a D-Link VTA and a Linksys WRT54G. I need to do the NYC dialin stuff for my HR10-250's to call in over Vonage.

[cheer]

You took what I said out of context. My point was that if there were any folks like that there, that they are likely small in number.
My apologies; I misunderstood. I think we're on the same page, here.

[Adam1115]

I would not get involved with the PPP scheme, you shouldn't have to do all that.

What's wrong with PPP? Why do you call it a scheme?? Do "All" what? Make a cable once and set a dial prefix, it took me 15 minutes...

My point wasn't that it WON'T WORK with Vonage, just that it's faster and easier to set up PPP then screwing around with all of these dial up numbers, calling long distance, etc. (I'm sure not EVERYONE has the unlimited plan..) Also, even if you do get connected it's likely only to be at 9600-19,200, vs 115,200 with PPP.

[tivoupgrade]

My apologies; I misunderstood. I think we're on the same page, here.

Thx. I think so too; I just hope they are, as well. I've seen some pretty bad perspectives/strategies in Silicon Valley so I hope they really do have a clue as how they are going to make money moving forward...

[cheer]

Thx. I think so too; I just hope they are, as well. I've seen some pretty bad perspectives/strategies in Silicon Valley so I hope they really do have a clue as how they are going to make money moving forward...
As do I. On the other hand, Tivo and profitability have been, at best, distant acquaintances. I'm sort of leaning to what a few others have said: their future is probably as a software OEM for providers. Thanks to their patent portfolio, they can offer things that nobody else can, and if the cablecos are successful at charging a premium for this, and/or if the cablecos are successful at using the Tivo features as a differentiator from their competitors, then more MSOs will sign up.

I really don't think the standalone market is long for this world -- as providers start to give DVRs to consumers cheaply or, in some cases, free (U-Verse, for example) Tivo's long struggle of convincing the general public of the added value of their boxes will only grow more difficult.

[JoeSchueller]

Interesting how this turned into a discussion of the future of TiVo. Since we're that far off, I'll weigh in that I don't think TiVo will survive, and I think D* and the cable-co's are in for a bit of a wake up call from our friends in Cupertino. Stevie J already has more iTunes users than TiVo and if I could convert all my season passes to iTunes subscriptions and watch them seamlessly on my PC, iPod and iTV box, I'm pretty happy about it. Yes, I need a solution for live events, but Apple looks like they're setting themselves up to do to TV networks what they did to radio. TiVo's best (and only) chance of survival is to find their way back in to the hearts of the cable and sat providers to ensure D*, TWC, and Comcast's DVR interface can even hold a candle to Apple's content management. If the content providers start giving Stevie J all he content he desires, and he owns the whole pipeline of distribution and consumption devices, look out. Given Disney is an early iTunes adopter and ESPN is part of the Disney universe, how shocking would it be to see ESPN360 work particularly well on the iTV box, thus solving the biggest live-event need. I know TiVo lovers are watching the HR20 like a hawk, but they may be best off looking at the new iTunes interface for their biggest competition.

[kbohip]

What's wrong with PPP? Why do you call it a scheme?? Do "All" what? Make a cable once and set a dial prefix, it took me 15 minutes...

My point wasn't that it WON'T WORK with Vonage, just that it's faster and easier to set up PPP then screwing around with all of these dial up numbers, calling long distance, etc. (I'm sure not EVERYONE has the unlimited plan..) Also, even if you do get connected it's likely only to be at 9600-19,200, vs 115,200 with PPP.

For me PPP is pretty much impossible to set up. My HR10 is 50' away from my computer! I don't think they make those cables that long, and if they did, I know they'd be expensive. If my Tivo was next to my computer, I'd probably give it a shot though.

[ebonovic]

Sorry....

I have looked over the iTunes/iMovies stuff... and just don't see it.

1 reason why iPod was so popular it was "music based". You can just plug the head phones in, and do your thing... work out, walk around the house, commute, office ect...

The same thing can't really be done with "video".... even working out, a 3" screen is just going to be too small for your eyes to adjust too while moving around...
You can't watch a movie while driving, nor even at the office in most cases.


The "settop" VOD service is intresting, but if you are a subscriber to DirecTV, Dish, Comcast with DVRs... and most of those services are going to have VOD services as well, including feature films.

Then include companies like Akimbo into the discussion, with Microsoft Media Center and stuff like that.....

I don't see iMovies being the same splash hit as iTunes....

As I was trying to explain to my wife last night.... Even with the best video compression technology, you won't be able to have 10,000 videos on your portable iPod... especial those that are silcone based memory (Vs hard drives).

And paying $14.95 for an iTune version of the DVD movie, with no extras...
Sorry... I'll pay the $16.95 (during release week) for the full DVD movie, with the extras, that I can use in my Laptop, Portable DVD Player, Car DVD Player, XBOX360, PS3, and standard DVD Player... all with out having to worry about DRM's or having an authorized Apple product.

And this is comming from a technology junkie...


Yah... I know... Off topic, but we need something to bye time until the upgrade actually starts to install.

[wgeclipse]

Its just a headphone cable. I have three twenty-five footers hooked together, no issues.

[PJO1966]

Yah... I know... Off topic, but we need something to bye time until the upgrade actually starts to install.


Which will be when exactly?

;)

[ebonovic]

Which will be when exactly?

;)


If I had an exact date/time... you would have it :D

[whsbuss]

Quick question on the upgrade:

Is it confirmed that native resolution is not supported?

[ebonovic]

Quick question on the upgrade:

Is it confirmed that native resolution is not supported?

Confirmed? No

Chances of it being there very very low.

[whsbuss]

Confirmed? No

Chances of it being there very very low.

Thanks.

[mattdb]

Man, so nobody on this board got the slices. Wow.

[minorthr]

Man, so nobody on this board got the slices. Wow.


I've been working all day and have not had a chance to look at it yet so maybe I got them no idea.

[newsposter]

Man, so nobody on this board got the slices. Wow.

Hey i'll stop at the candy store and get some orange, watermelon and grape if you are that desperate for those slices.

[mattdb]

Hey i'll stop at the candy store and get some orange, watermelon and grape if you are that desperate for those slices.

My three favorites. Be sure not to get seedless and concord grapes!

[SpoonsJTD]

Man, so nobody on this board got the slices. Wow.

If I understand it correctly, everyone will get the slices at the same time, right? There's no way to selectively send data from a satellite, they send it, we all get it. :) Isn't that the point of the phone call? Everybody gets the slices, the phone call determines which receivers activate them. So if no one on the board has the slices yet, that means the slices haven't been sent, and nobody, on this board or otherwise, has them yet.

[ebonovic]

It is "possible" that the HR10 may not "accept" the slices.... even though they are in the data stream..

So yes... the slices are in the stream, and every unit will "see them", doesn't mean that they take them and save them to the hard drive.

[etsolow]

Why might a particular unit not accept the slices? Just curious...

[newsposter]

doesn't like the flavor? {shrugs}

[Ereth]

Hey, I just remembered something.

My HR10-250 and my Pioneer Elite Receiver don't like each other. That is, if I let the HR10-250 send Dolby Digital over the optical out, when it switches from a non-DD signal to a DD signal, it sends such a burst that my Receiver turns off (I'm guessing to protect itself). The other DTivos don't do that, only the HR10-250. So I had to disable DD because I got tired of turning my receiver back on.

Any chance that is fixed in this upgrade?

[JoeSchueller]

Earl, you are the man, and between 6.3 info and HR20 info, I owe you a debt of gratitude, but I have to disagree.

You average consumer can't spell DRM . They aren't going to care if it doesn't work outside Apple's world. They just know it looks nice inside. I also think Stevie is smart enough to know that TV is where it is at for them, movies are Sexy, but TV will bring subscribers in the long run. Watchdog video on an i Pod is lame, I agree. That's why they need iTV to work. It extends the content distro model and gets them in the living room.

[SpoonsJTD]

It is "possible" that the HR10 may not "accept" the slices.... even though they are in the data stream..

So yes... the slices are in the stream, and every unit will "see them", doesn't mean that they take them and save them to the hard drive.

Is this based on any specific knowledge of operation or observed behavior? My main point was that the fact that no one on the board had gotten them yet isn't some kind of anomaly, it just means that the slices haven't been sent yet. It won't be a trickle of 'I got them now' -- it'll be an explosion of everybody seeing them at the same time, whatever mechanism preventing slices from being saved notwithstanding.

[hiker]

Why might a particular unit not accept the slices? Just curious...
It might have something to do with being in a specific "group".
There is a discussion of the upgrade process here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=316079).

[chris_h]

Sorry....

1 reason why iPod was so popular it was "music based". You can just plug the head phones in, and do your thing... work out, walk around the house, commute, office ect...

The same thing can't really be done with "video".... even working out, a 3" screen is just going to be too small for your eyes to adjust too while moving around...



I think you need to visualize something closer to the eyeballs. I think that even us big screen "fill my field of vision" junkies would go for that. Not to be worn while driving though.

[Adam1115]

For me PPP is pretty much impossible to set up. My HR10 is 50' away from my computer! I don't think they make those cables that long, and if they did, I know they'd be expensive. If my Tivo was next to my computer, I'd probably give it a shot though.

So is mine.

20' headphone extension cable, cut female end off, wired to 75' 4 wire phone cord. Then, it's connected to a RJ-11 to DB9 adapter on my computer.

It's three wires, you can hook it to cat 5 too if you like...

[etsolow]

I went the other route: bring the PC to the TiVo. 'course that's easier with a laptop and wireless! :D

[packerowner]

I went the other route: bring the PC to the TiVo. 'course that's easier with a laptop and wireless! :D

Just make sure that you disable the "Local Area Connect" for your cable NIC if it doesn't seem to connect. It took me a long time to relalise that it was trying route out using the Cable NIC and not the wireless.

[fjwagner]

I called DTV today about another matter, but asked about 6.3. She explicity said that the roll-out started the 12th and would continue through the 5th of October. She looked that up on her computer, so I dont think she was making it up. Fred

[kbohip]

It is "possible" that the HR10 may not "accept" the slices.... even though they are in the data stream..

So yes... the slices are in the stream, and every unit will "see them", doesn't mean that they take them and save them to the hard drive.

If mine did that, I'd give it a damn good thrashing! :p

[iwantmyhdmitv]

I don't know how many D* subscribers use HR10's.

BUT if we assume there are 50,000 nationwide, AND if we assume that 10% of them get the slices stored on their hard drives today, AND there are 10 guys w/ hacked units searchin' for slices who would report it (promptly) to one of the forums, then there's a 10% chance it will get reported by one person.

Which means there's a 90% chance it won't.

Oh, and if we assume that the rollout occurs evenly over the next 23 days (until Oct 5th), then about 4.3% of the boxes get it each day.

Anyone with better knowledge of statistics and/or the actual numbers used above, feel free to craft your own prediction !

[SpoonsJTD]

I don't know how many D* subscribers use HR10's.

BUT if we assume there are 50,000 nationwide, AND if we assume that 10% of them get the slices stored on their hard drives today, AND there are 10 guys w/ hacked units searchin' for slices who would report it (promptly) to one of the forums, then there's a 10% chance it will get reported.

Which means there's a 90% chance it won't.

Anyone with better knowledge of statistics and/or the actual numbers use above, feel free to craft your own prediction !

Actually, by your numbers, the chance is much better than 10%. If each of those 10 guys has a 10% chance of getting it, than each has a 90% chance of not getting it. .9^10 = 35% chance that none of the ten gets it, meaning 65% chance at least one of them gets it. The 50000 is a bit of a red herring -- it means nothing to the probability.

I'm guessing that the percentage that stores the slices is much greater than 10%, so that number probably goes up quite a bit. Now, I have no idea about the ten guys with hacked tivos who would report it, so the probability of it getting reported is a bit hard to estimate.

IOW, your 10% is quite a bit off based on your numbers and I am too wishy-washy to make up my own. :)

[chris_h]

"The doctors say it's fifty-fifty, but there is only a ten percent chance of that"

Name that movie.

[Regina]

"The doctors say it's fifty-fifty, but there is only a ten percent chance of that"

Name that movie.

Naked Gun, of course! :D

Click here for more memorable quotes! (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095705/quotes) :up: :up:

Now..every time I call D* they tell me I am in their A-number 1 customer group or some such nonsense...d'you think that means I get 6.3 first? :p Or last...after they work the bugs out? ;)

[iwantmyhdmitv]

Actually, by your numbers, the chance is much better than 10%. If each of those 10 guys has a 10% chance of getting it, than each has a 90% chance of not getting it. .9^10 = 35% chance that none of the ten gets it, meaning 65% chance at least one of them gets it. The 50000 is a bit of a red herring -- it means nothing to the probability.

I'm guessing that the percentage that stores the slices is much greater than 10%, so that number probably goes up quite a bit. Now, I have no idea about the ten guys with hacked tivos who would report it, so the probability of it getting reported is a bit hard to estimate.

IOW, your 10% is quite a bit off based on your numbers and I am too wishy-washy to make up my own. :)
Ummm, but it's not 100% certain that the "ten guys" have a 10% chance of getting it, because not all of them are necessarily in "the group of the day". Therefore, the total pool of HR10's would be a parameter.

I agree with your algorithm otherwise. It's been 28 years since my BSEE (Berkeley), and I wasn't no big mathemetician then!

[nc88keyz]

ok my hd tivo has a yellow light on the front, the navigation bar is locked on the screen and the time isnt moving, its also recording on the other tuner. remote is completely unresponsive, and tivo web is down, telnet and ftp is up and running. Is it upgrading by any chance. Nothing is showing up with. Just the same software version. What have I done !!!!

echo mls /SwSystem | tivosh

crossing fingers for upgrade

[nc88keyz]

Well....it just rebooted.

Sounds like an update maybe :)

my only regret is the other is unplugged right now due to some rewiring.

[rminsk]

That is not a software upgrade. That is most likely a failing drive. A software update has a screen of the TiVo Guy during the update process.

[Mark Lopez]

Well....it just rebooted.

Sounds like an update maybe :)


Or a broken Tivo. :) It should only reboot on it's own due to an update at ~2:00am

[nc88keyz]

just because i dont post on here a lot doesnt mean i am a computer newbie. I highly doubt the drive is going bad. Its a brand new seagate, and i ran tests on it before installing it. However there is always the chance i suppose. Good thing there is a 5 year warranty as seagate is the only drive i will buy these days.

[willardcpa]

....I wasn't no big mathemetician then!Must have been an English major? :cool: :D

[Plugplay]

Absolutely. I was considering a series 3 especially since I saw that they're gonna let me transfer lifetime memberships from my old series 1 (for a price)


Where did you hear this? If this is true, that would be great!

[rminsk]

just because i dont post on here a lot doesnt mean i am a computer newbie. I highly doubt the drive is going bad. The symptoms you posted pointed to a failing hard drive :rolleyes:

[ebonovic]

Where did you hear this? If this is true, that would be great!

Check the TiVo Series 3 forum...
That came out last week that you will be able to transfer lifetimes.

[Plugplay]

Check the TiVo Series 3 forum...
That came out last week that you will be able to transfer lifetimes.


Found the info...

http://www.tivo.com/2.0.3hdDvr.plt.asp

Thanks

[iwantmyhdmitv]

Where did you hear this? If this is true, that would be great!
I got an email from email@news.tivo.com stating the same thing.
"For a price" translates to $199. Wow, what a deal! I can get one lifetime membership for the price of two :-)

[Runch Machine]

Just be sure you buy the new HD Tivo from Tivo and not from a retailer. If you buy from a retailer you won't be able to transfer lifetime.

[petejones1]

Got it!

Directory listing of /SwSystem
Name Type Id Date Time Size
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 206180 03/25/05 12:10 700
6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 537177 09/14/06 02:45 768
ACTIVE tyDb 206180 03/25/05 12:10 700

No phone is plugged in, so maybe I'll try that slicer thing from PTVupgrade.

[WeKnSmith]

The primary concern I had with 6.3 was whether or not 30 second skip would still exist. They answer is yes it does.

I don't have time to investigate all of the new menu options, but there is definitely some new stuff in the menu. Under Settings > Audio it has "Audio DRC" (dynamic range control). Don't recall ever seeing that one before. If it does exist it is in a different place in 3.5.

[fasTLane]

Menu speed better?

[ElVee]

Will folders only take effect on recordings made after the update? Or will already recorded shows be re-grouped in folders after the update?

Thanks!

[Anubys]

Will folders only take effect on recordings made after the update? Or will already recorded shows be re-grouped in folders after the update?

Thanks!

folders will group everything on your now playing list...regardless of when they were recorded...

[AstroDad]

2 units, no love for me yet :(

[HofstraJet]

Also can convert Dolby Digital to PCM with 6.3.

[stumacdo]

For those of us who aren't connected to phone lines, what's the best way to force this upgrade ?

[rbreding]

The slices have come down. Sitting on the box right now.

6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 1055758 09/14/06 07:43 768

[sluciani]

Great news, Earl.
Everybody, remember that when your box gets the upgrade, that you have to enter the 30 second skip code, and whatever else you use, again. The box resets itself.

The series 2 boxes have a code for displaying the info about a program on the top of the screen when selected in the now playing list.

It is thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs up, 7,8.

I don't know if this will work in 6.3, or if it is already coded in the new upgrade.

Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work with 6.3 on my HR-10. Too bad. It's a great feature.

/steve

[ZippythePinHead]

Under Settings > Audio it has "Audio DRC" (dynamic range control).


Could this possibly have anything to do with the volume control on HD channels? I'm sick of getting blown out of the room when ever I switch from an HD channel to a SD channel. :rolleyes:

[ebonovic]

Sweet!!!!!! :d

[SpoonsJTD]

There is 100% probability that someone on this board will have posted that they got the slices by the time I click 'Submit'. :)

[newsposter]

you know it's bad when you tell your wife to check for pending restart throughout the day :)

so earl....you have this yet?

[MisterEd]

Where can the "slicer thing" be found ??Got it!

Directory listing of /SwSystem
Name Type Id Date Time Size
3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 206180 03/25/05 12:10 700
6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 537177 09/14/06 02:45 768
ACTIVE tyDb 206180 03/25/05 12:10 700

No phone is plugged in, so maybe I'll try that slicer thing from PTVupgrade.

[TallGuy]

My HR10-250 dials in to the New York number everytime and I'm using Vonage. I've forced a call once a day for the last week in anticipation of getting the 6.3 software and it's not had a problem once.

Don't give up Tallguy, the HR10-250 CAN call in to the mothership with Vonage!

Here are the settings that work for me:

Dial in number - 389-1505
Prefix - *99,12122773895,,,,
Call waiting - *70
Tone
Phone available - On
Dial tone detect - On

A few things you should also know. Right now I'm using Adelphia (Comcast?) Premier HSI. I've noticed that with Premier my dial ins with both my HR10 and R-10 Tivo's work better. They did dial in 80% of the time with the regular speed HSI though just fine.

Now maybe you can answer a question for me Tallguy, where is the guide data for channel 5-1 for the HR10-250?
Crap, I was really hoping that would work, but the TiVo still hung up on the "Negotiating" step...my settings were exactly the same as yours except for the 7-digit dial-in number which was still my old number, because I can't connect to retrieve any new numbers...

As for our guide data problem in Colorado Springs with 5-1, I just posted some more in the Colorado Springs thread... I'm convinced that a group of us needs to continue to poke Zap2It, Tribune Media Services, DirecTV and KOAA until we get someone with a clue... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8427153#post8427153
AARRGGHH...

If I have to go the route of the PPP cable, is this the right cable to buy? I'm not that interested in making my own... http://www.9thtee.com/tivo-dthd.htm then page down 3-4 times:
TIVONMCABLE TiVo Null Modem Serial Cable - 10' Long $7.95

[TallGuy]

Can you set your own folder names and move your own shows into the folder - or do they only group by show name? I would love to have a folder called "Demo HD Shows" and get about 10 different programs off my Now Playing list. Would also be useful for "Husband's good shows", "Wife's goofy shows", etc...

[thepackfan]

Can you set your own folder names and move your own shows into the folder - or do they only group by show name? I would love to have a folder called "Demo HD Shows" and get about 10 different programs off my Now Playing list. Would also be useful for "Husband's good shows", "Wife's goofy shows", etc...


Only Show names on 6.3. I also wish there was a little more even if only by category.

[JaserLet]

On which screen will it say "pending restart" ?

[muzzymate]

Could this possibly have anything to do with the volume control on HD channels? I'm sick of getting blown out of the room when ever I switch from an HD channel to a SD channel. :rolleyes:

I really hope so! There's nothing more annoying than flipping through my local channels and going back and forth between being blasted and barely being able to hear.

Hooray! Happy 6.3 day!

Can someone who has gotten this see if there is the Zoom feature in the Aspect Correction from the Series 3 in there? I would love that for my SD 16x9 shows (a la Battlestar Galactica).

[AstroDad]

On which screen will it say "pending restart" ?

On the phone screen under settings.

[etsolow]

Bah, no 6.3 for me yet!

[LlamaLarry]

On the phone screen under settings.May also appear under the phone info on System Information.

[Big Daddy P]

Thought I had the upgrade. I made a daily call early this am, and it was connected for about an hour downloading. When it finished, the sys info screen said pending restart. I forced a restart and a screen came up that said it was doing a Tivo software upgrade. After it finished, and live tv came up, nothung was changed! What happened here? Software version is still the 3.1 version!

Anyone?

[Pab Sungenis]

For those of us who aren't connected to phone lines, what's the best way to force this upgrade ?

You can't unless you're hacked (zipper or otherwise). Or take your box over to a friend's house and make the call there.

[dimented]

You can't unless you're hacked (zipper or otherwise). Or take your box over to a friend's house and make the call there.


Speaking of not being hooked up to a phone line. Is there any way to tell if you have the download so you know it is time to go to a friends house and force the call? On a nonhacked reciever.

[bxs122]

Anyone use 'The Slicer' with this latest update??
I purchased and installed Slicer but am at work now and won't have a chance to try until tonight.

[BrettStah]

Speaking of not being hooked up to a phone line. Is there any way to tell if you have the download so you know it is time to go to a friends house and force the call? On a nonhacked reciever.
You can always wait until October 5th or later, if the October 4th date mentioned above as the end of the rollout period is accurate. ;)

[jasch]

I briefly checked the IDL files. While I am no expert on the matter, I did see entries for the DVD stuff, Music and Photos, etc. I have no idea if that means that MRV is in there, but it seems they didn't take anything out from 4.x or 5.x versions.

Again, as a disclaimer, take this with a grain of salt. I have no idea what to look for in those files.

[PJO1966]

Installing Software now. I've seen a few posts from people who still had 3.1 after all this. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[Graphics]

WELL AT 11:57AM JUST NOW MY MESSAGE UNDER PHONE SAYS:

You cannot begin a call or change dialing options because the last update is still in progress. If the recorder seems stuck during a call, see :Phone Troubleshooting." However, note that "Housekeeping" can take hours if recent calls have not completed. Also, "Pending Restart" means the call is complete but the Recorder is waiting to restart at 2:00 to update to a new software version.

So I guess...I'll wait till Friday..

[PJO1966]

Installing Software now. I've seen a few posts from people who still had 3.1 after all this. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.


Loaded perfectly... I know people had said that the menus were faster than before. I just wasn't prepared for how fast they are. Jumping from menu to menu is unbelievable. Folders and speed, that wasn't too much to ask, was it?

:up:

[newsposter]

has anyone put it on 2 HD channels and tried to change order of SP (having over 50ish SP of course)

[MisterEd]

Not that I'm peeking, but mine is a lot bigger then yours. :D

Anyone know what the ACTUAL size of the file is? Or doesn't size matter as long as TiVo knows how to use it?

3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 40230 09/21/05 11:34 700
6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 1375955 09/14/06 02:44 768
ACTIVE tyDb 40230 09/21/05 11:34 700



The slices have come down. Sitting on the box right now.

6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 1055758 09/14/06 07:43 768

[PJO1966]

has anyone put it on 2 HD channels and tried to change order of SP (having over 50ish SP of course)


I just tried, but for some reason I can't get into Season Pass Manager. Nothing happens when I hit Select. I have a message on the bottom of the screen indicating that the guide data has not updated yet, but I doubt that's the reason. :confused:

To give you an indication of some improvement, I have it on HBO-HD and SHO-HD. The guide data fills the screen almost instantly.

[Brillian1080p]

If the box doesn't know what's in the guide yet, it can't process a season pass.

My guess.

[JLWINE]

I just tried, but for some reason I can't get into Season Pass Manager. Nothing happens when I hit Select. I have a message on the bottom of the screen indicating that the guide data has not updated yet, but I doubt that's the reason. :confused:


No, I think that is the problem. Just like a new machine out of the box it is going to take maybe a day to process all of the guide data.

[PJO1966]

No, I think that is the problem. Just like a new machine out of the box it is going to take maybe a day to process all of the guide data.


It makes sense. Also, if I had looked closer at the message at the bottom of the screen I would have noticed that is says that Search for Programs will be available in 30 minutes. Of course that message has been up for over an hour... Patience is a virtue I don't have.

[Dssturbo1]

this is one of my peevs...

can you now choose the guide while watching a prerecorded show without it reverting to one of the live channels?

if not earl please tell them to get this fixed next upgrade, if we ever get a next upgrade on this great hd dvr :)

thanks, earl.

[willardcpa]

Not that I'm peeking, but mine is a lot bigger then yours. :D ....With this comment and an avatar logo of "Very Large Member", I think that just maybe MisterEd is very fixated on size. :eek: :D

[slydog75]

Not that I'm peeking, but mine is a lot bigger then yours. :D

Anyone know what the ACTUAL size of the file is? Or doesn't size matter as long as TiVo knows how to use it?

3.1.5f-01-2-357 tyDb 40230 09/21/05 11:34 700
6.3-01-2-357 tyDb 1375955 09/14/06 02:44 768
ACTIVE tyDb 40230 09/21/05 11:34 700

That's not the size.. it's an ID number... 768 is the size and from what I've seen posted everyone has 768.

[dscott72]

FINALLY got my HR10-250 to connect via Vonage. Nothing downloaded, still showing my version number being 3.1.5f-01-2-357. Although I have noticed that my unit seems to be moving a little quicker now that it finally got to connect to the "Mother Ship". I am in the Atlanta Metro area, and I will plan on forcing the unit to connect if need be over the next few weeks.

[kbohip]

Bah, no 6.3 for me yet!

Me neither, and I even stayed up last night :(. Oh well, I'm ecstatic that it's even real at all!

So now that this box will have 6.3, it is in my opinion a 95% perfect DVR. To make it perfect it would need a free space indicator. :p This means I'll keep this box as long as I possibly can.

[BrettStah]

WELL AT 11:57AM JUST NOW MY MESSAGE UNDER PHONE SAYS:

You cannot begin a call or change dialing options because the last update is still in progress. If the recorder seems stuck during a call, see :Phone Troubleshooting." However, note that "Housekeeping" can take hours if recent calls have not completed. Also, "Pending Restart" means the call is complete but the Recorder is waiting to restart at 2:00 to update to a new software version.

So I guess...I'll wait till Friday..
You can, if you choose to, manually restart it, and therefore not have to wait for it to reboot on its own at 2am tomorrow.

[Anubys]

this is one of my peevs...

can you now choose the guide while watching a prerecorded show without it reverting to one of the live channels?

if not earl please tell them to get this fixed next upgrade, if we ever get a next upgrade on this great hd dvr :)

thanks, earl.

"fixed" implies a bug of some kind...I don't see this as a bug, to tell you the truth...

I so can't wait to get home and see if any of my 3 units has 6.3 :o

[MisterEd]

Ahhhh ... that makes sense, thanks.That's not the size.. it's an ID number... 768 is the size and from what I've seen posted everyone has 768.

[jeffloby]

I have a nonhacked HR10-250. Can I have it call or restart the system to see if I have the update?

[lbweber]

I have been following the 6.3 rumored update for a long time and thank Earl and others who have kept everyone informed despite inexact information.

Now that 6.3 is real, would the lucky early installers care to comment on the speed difference, usability or other aspects of the upgrade.

I have been delaying a purchase of an upgraded HR10-250 from WeaKnees and would like to decide how much disk space to get. Does the speed improvement diminish much when using a large (or really large) disk? Your opinion and guidance would be appreciated.

Thnx,

Larry

[vtfan99]

Now that 6.3 is real, would the lucky early installers care to comment on the speed difference, usability or other aspects of the upgrade.

Try this thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=316312)

[Anubys]

I have a nonhacked HR10-250. Can I have it call or restart the system to see if I have the update?

sure...I'm a little fuzzy on the menu names...but in the main menu, select setting, go to phone, select make the daily call now...

even if you have 6.3, the daily call might still now initiate the upgrade...but at least you've tried...

[tavarua88]

dumb question, dont have access to a phone line. would it be ok for me to go to a friend's house with a phone line just to do the dial in part and bring the unit back home to get the download? he also has directv but not sure if i could do the download there.

[newsposter]

what's the max time it has taken to reboot this and get it watchable? i'd love to do it when/if i get it but can't afford the machine out for a few hours on any evening. I assume tivo wont reboot even overnight if you have recordings scheduled?

[dimented]

dumb question, dont have access to a phone line. would it be ok for me to go to a friend's house with a phone line just to do the dial in part and bring the unit back home to get the download? he also has directv but not sure if i could do the download there.

The download comes from the satellite before you make the call. The call triggers the download to start the install on the next reboot of the system.

[Adam1115]

Who's going to post the image somewhere...? :D

[psywzrd]

Mine is having trouble dialing out too. I've always had the phone line hooked up and never had any problems dialing out until today. I can't even complete a test call (Failed: Service not answering). What's up with that?

I'm getting this same message again today. Is this because everyone and their mother is forcing a call to get the update? Anyone else getting this message? Should I change my dial-in #? I obviously can't do it now because of this problem but maybe my dial-in # is bad.

[steff3]

Hi,
I am waiting for my new HD to arrive today. When I check the HR10-250 software version still 3x.
First off, can I check to see if 6.3 is on the current HD and waiting for the call to install?
Second, if it is there and I change the HD via instant cake, will 6.3 come back down to the unit or will it remain 3x?

Thanks

[stevecon]

Which directory does the 6.3 download into??

[cheer]

No "directory" per se. You can check it by doing the following from a bash prompt:echo mls /SwSystem | tivoshIf it's there, you'll see it listed.

[Lord Vader]

Anyone use 'The Slicer' with this latest update??
I purchased and installed Slicer but am at work now and won't have a chance to try until tonight.

From what I've read, The Slicer needs to be updated because the present version will result in some errors when using it. The makers of Slicer have commented on this in another thread here. You CAN use it by making some corrections, but if you're just wanting to use The Slicer for ease of use, you might want to wait for their revised version to come out.

[tivoupgrade]

The Slicer 1.1 has been recently updated and uploaded to our site. We are regenerating download links to all who have purchased. Sorry for the problems. Please post if you find any other issues.

Thx and happy slicing.

[drew2k]

Will folders only take effect on recordings made after the update? Or will already recorded shows be re-grouped in folders after the update?

Thanks!If you haven't seen folders on 6.2 or SA TiVo models, one thing to keep in mind is that recordings based on wishlists may appear in more than one folder, so be careful when deleting.

Example: You have an auto-recording wishlist for Jennifer Aniston, and another one for Friends. You will have see two folders for these recordings in your Now Playing List: "Jennifer Aniston" and "Friends". The same episode of Friends will appear in both folders. If you delete it from the Friends folder, that same episode will also be deleted from the Jennifer Aniston folder.

[Lord Vader]

The Slicer 1.1 has been recently updated and uploaded to our site. We are regenerating download links to all who have purchased. Sorry for the problems. Please post if you find any other issues.

Thx and happy slicing.

That would probably explain an EMail I just got about 2 minutes ago that said:


S2-SLICER
The Slicer
This file is a very small one -- approx 32K with an MD5 of fcd3969170fc1ded6a46caa24b364972

:)

[newsposter]

If you haven't seen folders on 6.2 or SA TiVo models, one thing to keep in mind is that recordings based on wishlists may appear in more than one folder, so be careful when deleting.

Example: You have an auto-recording wishlist for Jennifer Aniston, and another one for Friends. You will have see two folders for these recordings in your Now Playing List: "Jennifer Aniston" and "Friends". The same episode of Friends will appear in both folders. If you delete it from the Friends folder, that same episode will also be deleted from the Jennifer Aniston folder.

what other things to newbies to 6.x have to know about? What you said seemed logical but I'm sure there are other hidden things that aren't so logical. (personally i would never assume there could be 2 identical copies of anything on a tivo as it's wasted space :))

[Anubys]

sorry for wasting everyone's time...I just need to vent...

3 HD-Tivos...3 forced calls...no 6.3 for me... :mad:

I feel like a kid on the playground...pick me...pick me!

[charlie_eberly]

sorry for wasting everyone's time...I just need to vent...

3 HD-Tivos...3 forced calls...no 6.3 for me... :mad:

I feel like a kid on the playground...pick me...pick me!

I here you man. 3 here as well and nothing for me either. You would think with 3 that at least one would get it. Today is not the day to buy a lottery ticket.

[drew2k]

what other things to newbies to 6.x have to know about? What you said seemed logical but I'm sure there are other hidden things that aren't so logical. (personally i would never assume there could be 2 identical copies of anything on a tivo as it's wasted space :))The good news is there is no extra space wasted when you have the situation we've been talking about. It's TiVo after all! :)

For this situation, each folder actually has its own link to the same recording on the drive. When you choose delete, TiVo finds all the other matching links and removes those links as well, keeping everything in sync.

I really can't think of any other issues, but check out the 6.3 release notes thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=316312&page=1&pp=30) for "new features", or features that may be new to anyone who has never had 6.2. I asked about using PAGE-up/down to reorder programs in the SP manager, which was in 6.2, and there may be other reatures that are new to you ...

[chevyman601]

How about the people that got the 6.3 update post there zip code so we can see if there is any madness to this rollout or just randomness

[ebonovic]

How about the people that got the 6.3 update post there zip code so we can see if there is any madness to this rollout or just randomness
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315237

[drew2k]

How about the people that got the 6.3 update post there zip code so we can see if there is any madness to this rollout or just randomnessAlready done (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315237&page=1&pp=30)! :)

ETA: Curse these slow fat fingers!

[bxs122]

The Slicer 1.1 has been recently updated and uploaded to our site. We are regenerating download links to all who have purchased. Sorry for the problems. Please post if you find any other issues.

Thx and happy slicing.

Good to know -- just purchased last week so I'll be looking for the email.

Thank You for your promptness.

[TallGuy]

FINALLY got my HR10-250 to connect via Vonage. Nothing downloaded, still showing my version number being 3.1.5f-01-2-357. Although I have noticed that my unit seems to be moving a little quicker now that it finally got to connect to the "Mother Ship". I am in the Atlanta Metro area, and I will plan on forcing the unit to connect if need be over the next few weeks.
How did you get it to work with Vonage? Would you mind posting or PMing me your settings?

[Pab Sungenis]

How did you get it to work with Vonage? Would you mind posting or PMing me your settings?

I've never really needed settings. I just use a number out of Bridgeton, NJ: (856)319-9705 and it works fine. (Well, as long as the One Who Must Be Obeyed isn't running Bittorent when the box needs to call out.)

[ebonovic]

Mine works with Vonage... no special settings...

I just leave it alone.. when ever I force the call, it doesn't work.
But it does it "own" call and works.

[pendragn]

Mine hasn't called in in 260 days or so. I have been trying to get it to connect all night, but all it does is get hung up at "negotiating." I'll leave the phone cord connected overnight and see if it can sort through it on its own. :(

tk

[dondrake]

Before tonight, the last successful call from my Tivo was back in February 2006.

I got a strange message tonight, it said my local dial-in number is no longer valid. I'm not sure how it knows that, but that's what the message said.

Other people have had success with the Manhattan #, so I set a new dial-in number, told the Tivo my area code is 212 (even though I'm in Chicago area), it took about 3 tries for the toll-free call to go through.

I also changed my Dial Prefix to be: *99,,#034,,

I was able to make 3 calls using the new # tonight.

Hopefully this helps someone else.

No upgrade yet...

[Shredfest]

Mine hasn't called in in 260 days or so. I have been trying to get it to connect all night, but all it does is get hung up at "negotiating." I'll leave the phone cord connected overnight and see if it can sort through it on its own. :(

tk


I'm having the same problem. Is your HR10 hacked with The Zipper? That's the only thing I can think of - that something in that hack messed with the unit's ability to dial out. I know it sets up the unit so you don;t have to dial out, but you should still be able to force a call, no? :confused:

-Shredfest

[kbohip]

Mine works with Vonage... no special settings...

I just leave it alone.. when ever I force the call, it doesn't work.
But it does it "own" call and works.

I used to do that too, until I noticed it was phoning home 50 or so times a day! It apparently wasn't connecting and just kept calling over and over. This went on for months before I noticed our phone line never seemed to work right. It was because Tivo was always on the phone.

Now I just force the call once a month or so and for whatever reason, when I force it, it always works.

[bxs122]

I'm having the same problem. Is your HR10 hacked with The Zipper? That's the only thing I can think of - that something in that hack messed with the unit's ability to dial out. I know it sets up the unit so you don;t have to dial out, but you should still be able to force a call, no? :confused:

-Shredfest

If it is zippered then I would expect that you would not want it to dial out and thus initiate the install if you have received the slices.
The better approach for a zippered box would be to manually update with the new slices or use The Slicer.

From my very limited experience, if instead you do want it to dial out then I would telnet in and uninstall zipper. Once you do this and you reboot I believe your machine will be back to or comparable to a non-hacked unit.
After you force the install via dialing out you should be able to pull the drive and rezipper...can't do it from the telnet prompt since the unstall also unintalls the USB 2.0 support.

[Kevin L]

this is one of my peevs...

can you now choose the guide while watching a prerecorded show without it reverting to one of the live channels?

if not earl please tell them to get this fixed next upgrade, if we ever get a next upgrade on this great hd dvr :)

thanks, earl.Unless a service issue warrants, I'd bet it's pretty safe to assume 6.3 is the last upgrade from DirecTV for the HR10-250.

[bxs122]

So what is this RMV feature I've been hearing about? I know other Tivos have it but since it wasn't part of the HR10 I never considered it. Now that 6.3 is here is RMV new to the HR10?

[thepackfan]

For those of you with zippered units your rc.sysinit.author file need to be modified to call out. But if you do you risk losing all your hacks.

route add -host 204.176.49.2 gw 127.0.0.1
route add -net 204.176.49.0 gw 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0


Needs to be
#route add -host 204.176.49.2 gw 127.0.0.1
#route add -net 204.176.49.0 gw 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0

And if you don't understand, where and how to do this, I'd suggest waiting for a zippered version or try slicer

[HDTIVOHD]

Hello, I noticed that my RED record LED on the front panel turned and remained YELLOW for much of the night last night. When I tried to record a program (as a test), it turned RED. It then went back to YELLOW when I stopped recording. I noticed this after I forced a daily call. This morning, the LED was back to normal, ie OFF. Do any of you know what the YELLOW record LED signifies? I thought that it might be downloading 6.3, but I still had 3.1 this morning.

[smoberly]

so let me ask a question...if the update has downloaded via my daily 2:00 download...if I force a call, and I don't the update...more calls won't trigger it, because it isn't there...right?

If it is there, the first call should trigger the update...and continued calls won't help...I just need to wait for tonight's 2:00 download and try another call--right?

[no-blue-screen]

so let me ask a question...if the update has downloaded via my daily 2:00 download...if I force a call, and I don't the update...more calls won't trigger it, because it isn't there...right?

If it is there, the first call should trigger the update...and continued calls won't help...I just need to wait for tonight's 2:00 download and try another call--right?

The SN of your unit has to be in the list for 6.3 in order for the daily call to trigger the update....even if 6.3 is on there....IIRC. From what I have heard, the SN selection is completely random as some with multiple units only have one of their units update. Someone will correct me if I am wrong, but mine still hasn't been triggered. When I heard the update was going to be released, I wiped my hacked image off and put the factory load back on, so I can't tell if 6.3 is sitting on my system yet.

[JoeSchueller]

Some believe that ZIP code also plays a role in the roll-out schedule, but I'm guessing it is as simple as the recv'er number. (emphasis on guessing)

[whsbuss]

Nothing yet in Phila, PA 191xx

[newsposter]

Nothing yet in Phila, PA 191xx

i second that and am in desperate need as I have all my new shows' SP to finishing adding then reordering. I'm up to over 70 on each machine now. Painful with this slow machine.

[bxs122]

Nothing yet in North VA.

[EMoMoney]

sorry for wasting everyone's time...I just need to vent...

3 HD-Tivos...3 forced calls...no 6.3 for me... :mad:

I feel like a kid on the playground...pick me...pick me!
Sorry about your luck. I only made one forced call and received the upgrade. :D
21009....My screen is sitting on "Preparing the service update...This may take up to an hour." as we speak.

[rminsk]

Some believe that ZIP code also plays a role in the roll-out schedule, but I'm guessing it is as simple as the recv'er number. (emphasis on guessing)This release they did quickly to try to get it out for the fall TV season. The rollout most of the time is region based as well as service number based.

[JoeSchueller]

Thx for the clarification rminsk... I'm looking forward to blowing out of work early and forcing a call to see where I fall in the line.

[gquiring]

Can someone explain these forced calls? I am not up to the speed on this. Also how do you force a call?

Thanks
Gary

[pendragn]

If you go into Settings -> Phone settings you can force your TiVo to make its daily call instead of waiting for it. The daily call is what triggers the install if your unit has downloaded (over the satellite) and if your unit's number has been authorized to get it.

tk

[Spoonie G]

Nothing yet. It needs the update badly because my hr10-250 sucks. There are so many times that I would love to put a hammer to the thing. The 10-250 is awful and whoever designed it should be shot.

[steven-h]

Is the authorization sent to our boxes during the 2 A.M. download only or are they being sent anytime of the day or night. Just wondering if I should continue to force call during waking hours or if I do no have it in the morning I should just wait for the next day.

[rminsk]

The authorization comes over the phone and not the satellite. I think the database of authorizations is done once a day. I do not know what time it is updated at.

[fjwagner]

Nothing yet. It needs the update badly because my hr10-250 sucks. There are so many times that I would love to put a hammer to the thing. The 10-250 is awful and whoever designed it should be shot.

the HR10 was the best thing out there for quite awhile. A HD DVR before others had them. The 6.3 upgrade brings it to current standards, but I would never say that it was awful. We have enjoyed ours immensely as others in this forum have. Can it be better? Of course and the upgrade will make me happy for another few years. How about giving me yours rather than putting a hammer to it. I will even send you the box and return postage!!!! Fred

[altan]

My Tivo just spent 30 minutes doing a "loading data" after I initiated a call. Sure, I know it's not loading the image from the phone, but I thought I'd get the update when it finished. Well, it finished and I still have 3.1.5...

Boo!

... Altan

[rrr22777]

Cant someone who has pulled out their drive after the 6.3 update just run a mfsbackup and upload the image some where?

[Regina]

Sorry about your luck. I only made one forced call and received the upgrade. :D
21009....My screen is sitting on "Preparing the service update...This may take up to an hour." as we speak.


DAMN! :eek: I am a pretty lucky person, but i have forced hundreds of calls over the last few days...on both HR10-250s...and no luck.
3 calls? 1 call? AMATEURS! :D :p
HA HA HA .. I WANT IT NOW! Slap-happy? You betcha!

[Spoonie G]

the HR10 was the best thing out there for quite awhile. A HD DVR before others had them. The 6.3 upgrade brings it to current standards, but I would never say that it was awful. We have enjoyed ours immensely as others in this forum have. Can it be better? Of course and the upgrade will make me happy for another few years. How about giving me yours rather than putting a hammer to it. I will even send you the box and return postage!!!! Fred

Thanks for the support. The HR10 “was” the best thing out there for quite awhile? What’s the best unit out there now? The main reason it was the best unit out there is because it was the only DirecTV HD-DVR solution available. I’ll link you to my previous “rant” Post.

Previous "rant" post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=280591)

[Castaa]

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315237


Thanks for the link. Looks like my 94xxx zip code is live. :eek: :D

It's been months since I've checked this forums. Great luck to check today!

[gp4rts]

I have just read through the almost 500 posts in this thread, searching for the answers to my question (which was asked already by at least 3 posters). I think I have the answer, and would appreciate confirmation.

I do not have a phone line connected, and the ONLY way to be sure to get the 6.3 upgrade when I do connect is to wait until after Oct 5. This is because

a) There is no way to tell if the software is on the HD (although everyone should have it since it was sent to all already). (I'm referring to non-hackers who can't get into the OS and examine files.)

b) Even if you have it, connecting to a phone line may not work unless your unit is scheduled to be activated.

c) There is no way to tell if you are scheduled for activation without hooking up the phone line.

c) All units are supposed to be activated by Oct 4.

[Camelot_One]

If your goal is to make no more than 1 call, then yes, waiting until Oct 5th is your best bet.

[Pab Sungenis]

Cant someone who has pulled out their drive after the 6.3 update just run a mfsbackup and upload the image some where?

...and if you had the power to restore that image to your machine, you're already in position to just install from the slices.

It's extra work for no reason right now.

ETA: Hey! I'm response #500! :)