Big Brother 8/31

[Dssturbo1]

with a double elimination it should go quick tonight. wonder if Will and Boogie can make it through the hour and into the final four.

at least danielle is going, hope! :)

[SuperZippy]

rooting for a chilltown final 2...

[unicorngoddess]

What a great pick for the final four! The two showmances go face to face! Not only that, Janelle now looks like she was keeping her word to Erika. You just had to know either way George was going to walk though those doors tonight.

Now I'm left wondering how this next week will go. How long does Janelle get to stay in power? Should be another interesting week.

[debtoine]

Janie had her golden opportunity to break up chilltown and didn't do it.

I love Janie, but this is gonna cost her, and probably this week.

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.....


deb

[gossamer88]

I was excited for a second that Will was going to win POV. Too bad. Would've loved to see Erika follow in the heels of Danielle.

Tonights show was anti-climatic knowing CG was going. Good riddance. Shocker that he had no strategy.

Again Janelle proves how awesome she is. 8 for 8!! I wanna see her and Will in the end. Boogie is still a tool and Erika deserves him.

[loubob57]

D'oh, I forgot that it was going to be on a different channel here tonight, so I missed the first 15 minutes. Stupid Cowboys! :( I started recording as Danielle was watching the recorded goodbyes. I already got filled in on the machinations that CT was doing before the vote.

I thought it was real funny how Will is convinced there is a lot of time left. I guess they haven't been told that this is the last week. :)

[mwhip]

D'oh, I forgot that it was going to be on a different channel here tonight, so I missed the first 15 minutes. Stupid Cowboys! :( I started recording as Danielle was watching the recorded goodbyes. I already got filled in on the machinations that CT was doing before the vote.

I thought it was real funny how Will is convinced there is a lot of time left. I guess they haven't been told that this is the last week. :)

Did you miss the numerous crawls during the show Tuesday telling you that it would be on a different channel? :D

[mwhip]

I agree very dumb of Janelle letting Will bully her like that. She should have said you pick CG I pick Boogie and if one of them win POV Erika goes up. That way she does not look like his lap dog. She is going to ticked when she sees the tapes and how badly she was played. Still rooting for her and Will in the final 2 I think it makes the best scenario and intrigue for jury voting.

CBS did mess up though they should have ended the night with an endurance challenge.

[debtoine]

BTW, for anyone interested in the Live Feeds..

Rumor has it that if you sign up for the 14 day free trial of the Superpass, you, by default, can see the rest of the feeds for free since there aren't 14 days left of the show.

deb

[loubob57]

Did you miss the numerous crawls during the show Tuesday telling you that it would be on a different channel? :D
No, but I still blame the Cowboys! I just should have scheduled the alternate recording right then so I wouldn't forget. This would have been a perfect time for suggestions to have proved their usefullness, but they didn't. :p

I was really hoping Janelle would grow a pair and nominate someone other than who Will told her to nominate. So if Erika had not won veto ... I wonder if she knows she would have been "thrown under the bus"?

[timr_42]

How many more days are there? At the end of the show, Will said that there are a lot of days left, but Julie said that there would be an eviction on Tuesday. That would make the show over in like 2 weeks.

EDIT: I checked and the finals are on Tuesday 9/12. Why is the show ending so early??

[timr_42]

You know they keep saying that the current HOH can't play for the new HOH. It seems unfair that the puppet master seems to be HOH every week LOL

[debtoine]

How many more days are there? At the end of the show, Will said that there are a lot of days left, but Julie said that there would be an eviction on Tuesday. That would make the show over in like 2 weeks.

Sept 12th is the last episode.

So, yes, less than 2 weeks left.

deb

[mwhip]

Sept 12th is the last episode.

So, yes, less than 2 weeks left.

deb

But the HG's think it ends around the 20th.

[USAFSSO]

BTW, for anyone interested in the Live Feeds..

Rumor has it that if you sign up for the 14 day free trial of the Superpass, you, by default, can see the rest of the feeds for free since there aren't 14 days left of the show.

deb


Now it is Free for only 72-Hours. :rolleyes:

[appleye1]

The show is actally ending a week earlier than normal this year, so it's understandable why the HGs are confused.

I really expected Julie to start a new HOH competition at the end of the show. Usually the final 4 HOH competition is the big endurance one. Now I wonder what it will be?

[mchips]

Actually, the big endurace comp usually isn't until the final-3 two-part comp...

[Dssturbo1]

at least will tried in the pov comp. gawd i was hoping he would get unclipped before erica and she would have gone. cbs coulda flown them on same plane to the sequester house, lol.

[appleye1]

Actually, the big endurace comp usually isn't until the final-3 two-part comp...
You're right I shouldn't have said usuallly, but in season's 2 and 5 they did endurance for the final 4 HOH. I was sort of hoping in honor of Will, they would do it again.

[scottykempf]

What a great pick for the final four! The two showmances go face to face! Not only that, Janelle now looks like she was keeping her word to Erika. You just had to know either way George was going to walk though those doors tonight.

Now I'm left wondering how this next week will go. How long does Janelle get to stay in power? Should be another interesting week.

Actually, I got the impression that they would rather have gotten Erika out than George. Erika is a stronger player than George (witness the POV tonight). But I am sure that Chill Town didn't care who went home, as long as their names weren't Wil or Mike. :D

And I didn't get the impression either that Janelle was "bullied" by Wil. She confered with him, it seemed like it was her idea to ask Wil what he thought. Just goes to show you how good CT is. And I loved the revolving door bit, first Erika "You're the secret member of CT, we're good." Then Janelle "You're the secret member of CT, we're good." It was hilarious when they thought to do it to CG too. "Hey, Georgie You're the secret member of CT, we're good." :D

[Martyp]

BTW, for anyone interested in the Live Feeds..

Rumor has it that if you sign up for the 14 day free trial of the Superpass, you, by default, can see the rest of the feeds for free since there aren't 14 days left of the show.

deb


Its just too bad they do not offer something else instead of real player

[Dnamertz]

Janie had her golden opportunity to break up chilltown and didn't do it.

I love Janie, but this is gonna cost her, and probably this week.

Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.....


deb

Janelle should have thrown this HOH comp. She should have let CT win...they would have targeted CG. Then Janelle would be free to compete in the last 2 HOH comps. Now she can't compete for the next HOH and I think she is in danger this week...but there is always POV.

[etemple]

I don't think so. They would have put up the two girls.
They know they can beat CG in whatever competitons are left, and then they'd have the final 2 locked up.

[hc130radio]

Janelle is playing this game stupid. She's going to let flirting and hanging out with Will cause her to loose focus on the big prize.

Mike "boogie" reminds me of that malcom in the middle kid. Too bad he's a 36yr old chump that talks like Stuart Scott from ESPN. CANT STAND THAT DUDE!

I like chicken george. i liked his goofiness. he seems like a pretty cool and fun guy.

[Werd2406]

Too bad Danielle left.....she was the smartest player to play the game other than Will. Was hoping to see Erika leave just to see the look on her face and to know that she let the ONLY person that would bring her to the final 2, go. Oh well...

I cant beleive im about to say this, but for someone who has HATED Janelle in season 6 and for most of season 7, i hope she wins. She is the best competitor they've ever had on the show.....

God mike boogie is annoying.....one of the worst parts is he claims hes running the show too......no...will is.....you're just tagging along.

[SnakeEyes]

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[mask2343]

Janelle is in the WORST spot possible this week now. I agree she should have thrown the HOH competition. It was obvious that CG was the one that was going to go for CT's sake. Now, Janelle is guaranteed to be nominated. If Erica wins HOH, she is all but guaranteed to be leaving. Her only hope is the veto.

[newsposter]

did J lead will to the other room or did will take her out? I forget. See, if Janelle was so darn ditzy that she needed will's advice for the 4 minutes julie gave her, then J deserves whatever advice she got. Everyone could have literally sat on the couch for the few minutes and said nothing but she just couldnt rely on herself and had to bring him into it. Doesn't she know when you get down this low that alliances dont even help you?
duh

3 pts to BB for sticking with the conversation instead of commercial. I'm sure it was planned and excellent move.

I think after howie, all the guests realize they need to be class acts to avoid being stereotyped. After all, that's what i remember most about howie.

was dani's exit speech to mean she will vote for erika? (even though she then said that she hoped she followed her.

No time to tape goodbye speeches for geo? ;) I'm glad they got him chicken but how old was that? I guess the man in white can't speak?

[itsmeitsmeitsme]

did J lead will to the other room or did will take her out? I forget. See, if Janelle was so darn ditzy that she needed will's advice for the 4 minutes julie gave her, then J deserves whatever advice she got. Everyone could have literally sat on the couch for the few minutes and said nothing but she just couldnt rely on herself and had to bring him into it. Doesn't she know when you get down this low that alliances dont even help you?
duh

3 pts to BB for sticking with the conversation instead of commercial. I'm sure it was planned and excellent move.

I think after howie, all the guests realize they need to be class acts to avoid being stereotyped. After all, that's what i remember most about howie.

was dani's exit speech to mean she will vote for erika? (even though she then said that she hoped she followed her.

No time to tape goodbye speeches for geo? ;) I'm glad they got him chicken but how old was that? I guess the man in white can't speak?
If I recall correctly, J asked Will for advice. It is unbelievable how Will is controlling this game. Well really, when you think about it, I guess its not unbelievable. He has been doing it since day 1. :)

[unicorngoddess]

at least will tried in the pov comp. gawd i was hoping he would get unclipped before erica and she would have gone. cbs coulda flown them on same plane to the sequester house, lol.

You know, I thought for sure that he had won. Julie didn't say you HAD to unclip yourself before hitting the bell, just that you had to hit the bell with veto in hand and you couldn't unclip yourself until you were past the red zone. Will rang in first with veto in hand even though he didn't unhook himself so I thought they would give it to him.

[mcb08]

You know, I thought for sure that he had won. Julie didn't say you HAD to unclip yourself before hitting the bell, just that you had to hit the bell with veto in hand and you couldn't unclip yourself until you were past the red zone. Will rang in first with veto in hand even though he didn't unhook himself so I thought they would give it to him.

I think that Will did that on purpose. Think about it...What does he do if he wins POV? He's obligated to take Erika off the block, which will make Jan wonder what's up. If he lets Erika win, she can take herself off, he comes off smelling like a rose, and Jan's none the wiser.

[itsmeitsmeitsme]

I think that Will did that on purpose. Think about it...What does he do if he wins POV? He's obligated to take Erika off the block, which will make Jan wonder what's up. If he lets Erika win, she can take herself off, he comes off smelling like a rose, and Jan's none the wiser.
I don't think so. If he had won, Erica would have been gone. CG would have gotten to stay for awhile and would have been easier to beat in the challenges.

[mask2343]

If Will would have won, he would DEFINITELY keep Erica on the block. The alternative was to have Boogie go up. He wouldn't look bad in anyone's eyes for keeping them the same. CT would have voted George out anyway. The way the final four has shaken out, they are guaranteed a spot in the final 3. And they have a 66.666% chance of making the final 2.

[TriBruin]

You know, I thought for sure that he had won. Julie didn't say you HAD to unclip yourself before hitting the bell, just that you had to hit the bell with veto in hand and you couldn't unclip yourself until you were past the red zone. Will rang in first with veto in hand even though he didn't unhook himself so I thought they would give it to him.

I am pretty sure Julie did say that you had to remove the Veto from the rope. The only way to do that is to unclip.

I agree with pretty much everyone else, Janelle is a bad position right now. She probably is starting to realize it to. Erika will probably win HOH (although Boogie is a possiblilty, but Wil won't). Janelle is definately going on the block one way or another. Baring a Veto win, she is gone.

[Skittles]

Tough call for Janelle last night.

On the one hand, she REALLY needed to win HoH for last night's competition, because otherwise, any of the CT folks might have won it. I could have seen CT getting rid of her had they won last night, because she's just WAY too strong of a competitor to willingly take into the Final Four.

On the other hand, since she won HoH last night, she can't compete in the new HoH competition.... which means she's undoubtedly going to be nominated, and her only salvation is PoV.

Kind of a pretty pickle, no two ways about it.

[Jebberwocky!]

Too bad Danielle left.....she was the smartest player to play the game other than Will. Was hoping to see Erika leave just to see the look on her face and to know that she let the ONLY person that would bring her to the final 2, go. Oh well...


I don't get the thought the Danielle is a smart player - I didn't see her in her first go around but in this show, other than making threats that she never followed through with, what did she do that was so great? She did get played very nicely ;)

:confused:

[KRS]

Once again, it's win-win for Chill Town!

As long as Erika doesn't win, I'll be happy with any of the other three winning the show.

[jlb]

Janelle and Erica will be thrown to the dogs:

http://images.cafepress.com/product/63827649v2_240x240_F.jpg

I wonder if Will brought some of his apparel into the house and is having Janelle or Erika wear it:
http://images.cafepress.com/product/63824366v3_240x240_F.jpg

Can anyone even consider going to see him as their doctor?
http://www.willkirby.com/images/Kirby_Doctor.jpg


Oh, and out of curiosity, I went to the website for the Dolce Group. From there there is some interesting information about the group and the restaurants they own. I found the e-mail address for Mike Malin....er.....Boogie.

Mike@dolcegroup.com

Have some fun. Send Boogie some e-mail.

[unicorngoddess]

If Will would have won, he would DEFINITELY keep Erica on the block. The alternative was to have Boogie go up. He wouldn't look bad in anyone's eyes for keeping them the same. CT would have voted George out anyway.

I don't think so. If the noms had stayed the same, I visualize Will voting out Erika and Boogie voting out CG then Janelle would have had to decide who to vote out. Remember, CT wanted Erika out, not George. But I don't think Boogie would have been the bad guy to vote out Erika...he would have made Janelle do the dirty work.

[jradford]

I don't get the thought the Danielle is a smart player - I didn't see her in her first go around but in this show, other than making threats that she never followed through with, what did she do that was so great? She did get played very nicely ;)

:confused:
+1

Also, I think Erika was DEFINITELY gone if Will had won that POV. Will wasn't worried about going up on the block, he just wanted Erika gone. She is a showmance that he ISN'T in charge of, and even though he is clearly loyal to Boogie, I'm pretty sure he knows that Boogie is a terrible manipulator.

[unicorngoddess]

I don't get the thought the Danielle is a smart player - I didn't see her in her first go around but in this show, other than making threats that she never followed through with, what did she do that was so great? She did get played very nicely ;)

:confused:

I agree. She wasn't very smart AT ALL. From day one, she walked in the door and put her foot in her mouth big time. All she did was make empty threats throughout the game. It seems like she was still trying to play a bit like she did in her season but kept getting it mixed up with her new strategy. First she wanted James to be her new "Jason" and then when he left the house, Erika had to be her new Jason. She keeps insisting Erika would have been safe if she stayed in the house, but what about Danielle's precious "Legion of Doom"? Danielle never once mentioned to Erika that she was originally with CT in their Legion of Doom and if Danielle had stayed with that alliance, Erika would have gone bye-bye. In the end, she ended up backed into a corner and there was no way out for her.

[JFriday]

I don't get the thought the Danielle is a smart player - I didn't see her in her first go around but in this show, other than making threats that she never followed through with, what did she do that was so great? She did get played very nicely ;)

:confused:
In her 1st game she orchestrated almost every eviction, when people left the house they loved her. Her downfall was back then there was no sequester so the people would go home and watch the tapes and see she screwed them. They all hated her after seeing this and they voted for the other person. The next year they started the sequester. This year she got a target put on her on day 1. She played a little different this time around.

[JFriday]

I like chicken george. i liked his goofiness. he seems like a pretty cool and fun guy.

CG is the biggest Dork in reality TV history. Cool doesn't come close to describing him.

[unicorngoddess]

CG is the biggest Dork in reality TV history. Cool doesn't come close to describing him.

+10

I couldn't imagine being one of his daughters. I'd have to go into the Witness Protection Program just to get over the embarrassment :eek:

[Critic]

+10

I couldn't imagine being one of his daughters. I'd have to go into the Witness Protection Program just to get over the embarrassment :eek:

Well I think some of it was just an act - although I am not too sure why anyone would want to act like a dork :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Critic]

CG is the biggest Dork in reality TV history.

http://www.beautygeektv.com/

[pmyers]

I'm not sure why everybody things Janelle wont' be able to play for HoH this week....I thought when they get down to 4 that everybody gets to play

Chill town rocks!!!

[jlb]

From www.chickengeorgerocks.com

http://www.chickengeorgerocks.com/images/front_panel.gif

[Sir_winealot]

I wanna see what's goin' on in sequester! Especially with James, and (now) danielle. We haven't seen anything since Howie's arrival...unless I missed something.

[unicorngoddess]

I'm not sure why everybody things Janelle wont' be able to play for HoH this week....I thought when they get down to 4 that everybody gets to play

Chill town rocks!!!

It's when they get down to three that everyone is eligable to play for HOH.

As for sequester, they haven't shown it since last week. I hope it will be featured in Sundays show because I'm sure everyone will be surprised at, no only WHO walks through that door but that two of them will be walking through the door at the same time!

[mbalgeman]

Not to boast or anything (ok, maybe a little), but so far this is going down as I expected (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4323583&&#post4323583).

To quote myself:
1. Janelle wins the HoH next, puts up CG and Erika. Will votes out Erika, Boogie votes out CG, Janelle breaks the tie and votes for Erika, Erika leaves. Boogie doesn't need to betray Erika... That leaves Janelle, Will, Boogie, and Chicken George... Even if Janelle puts up Erika and Will/Boogie, Erika still goes because Janelle believes that Will/Boogie are so inferior at the competitions that she can beat them every time. The only wrinkle in this is if Erika happens to win the PoV, but I see CG going in that case.I just noticed that people thought that I was forgetting about the double eviction. I wasn't forgetting about it. I just didn't think it mattered. Janelle was wrapped around Will's finger already. He didn't need time to influence her although he seemed to have gotten some anyway. :)

This week really comes down to the PoV. If Janelle doesn't win the PoV, she goes home.

[jerobi]

Wow. After last night's episode, I think this just became my 2nd favorite season of BB (#1 being Will's original season).

Mince no words - Mike and Will are the best duo in BB history. They were obvious partners since WEEK ONE and have strategized and lied their way almost into the finals. They should have been nominated nearly every week.

Will keeping Janelle away from any other source of info for the full four minutes last night was awesome.

This should be a really interesting week of four. On one hand, isn't it inevitable that the girls figure out that CT is playing both of them?

If CT throws the HOH, they put their fate in the hands of Janelle or Erika. And yet, they're almost destined for the final 3 any way you slice it. Look at these scenarios:

1) Girl wins HOH
a) Girl + 1 CT member nominated
a1) CT1 wins veto, leaves nominations alone, remaining CT casts only vote
a2) CT2 wins veto, leaves nominations alone, remaining CT casts only vote
a3) HOH wins veto, leaves nominations alone, remaining CT casts only vote
a4) (Rare, backdoor risk) HOH wins veto, changes nominations, one of CT goes home.
a4) (BAD case) Nominated girl wins veto, one of CT goes home.
b) Both CT nominated - two chances at Veto (converting it to a 1a situation), plus CT works on the HOH all week to sell it as a backdoor opportunity in case HOH wins the veto.

2) CT wins HOH, puts up both girls (with promises of safety - risky since it makes them both the enemy to the one voted out)
a1) HOH wins veto, leaves nominations alone, remaining CT casts only vote
a2) CT2 wins veto, leaves nominations alone, remaining CT casts only vote
a3) (Either way case) Girl wins veto, uses it and casts the vote
a4) (Either way case) Other Girl wins veto, uses it and casts the vote

The best thing CT has going for them now is their teamwork. They sell Will as a perfect final opponent since he "wouldn't" win another season's cash. They sell turning on either CT member as a huge mistake, since one or both CT members would never give you their jury vote if you backstab them. Janelle knows her best shot to win is with either CT guy, and Erika can't afford to anger Boogie at this stage by voting him out or voting out Will. She, too, would be best off in the finals against CT.

The best shot to get CT out is for them both to go up immediately and not win Veto. Then the HOH can at least pin partial blame on the remaining girl who has to choose when she places the only vote.

I'd love to see a CT finals. They just plain earned it so far.

[Boot]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm positive that I heard Julie say that this was the "final" veto competition. So there's no veto next week. I think she announced it to the house, sometime after the HoH ceremony and before the nominations.

[jhausmann]

Doesn't BB call the veto when it gets down to 4 as the "Golden Veto"/

[pmyers]

Please please please.....we MUST get to see what Will would say to the Jury when/if he makes the final 2!!!!!!

[DancnDude]

Doesn't BB call the veto when it gets down to 4 as the "Golden Veto"/
These days it is always the Golden Veto. Originally the Veto wouldn't let you take yourself off the block, even if you won it. Then they introduced the Golden Veto which would let you use it on yourself (and Marcellas didn't and got voted out). They also did a Diamond Veto at the end of one of the seasons that let the winner actually take someone off the block and choose the replacement (instead of the HoH doing the replacing).

[Dnamertz]

In her 1st game she orchestrated almost every eviction, when people left the house they loved her. Her downfall was back then there was no sequester so the people would go home and watch the tapes and see she screwed them.

Thats the way it should be. I think the people in the final two should be held accountable (or given credit) for their gameplay. The only way to do this is let the jury see everything. If someone stabbed you in the back then they should be held accountable for it. Also, if someone played a brilliant manipulation game the way Will is this season, how will the jury credit him for that if they don't get to see all the stuff he did behind their backs?

Janelle's only hope (other than the veto) is that Erika wins HOH this week and gets smart. Erika has to realize that she is the third wheel when it comes to CT and if she doesn't break them up then she will be forced to win the final HOH, otherwise CT will evict her. If Erika wins HOH this week she should make sure Boogie goes home. This way she be almost garunteed to go to the final two. Will and Janelle are both less likely to win if they take each other to the final, so they would probably take Erika.

[DancnDude]

Thats the way it should be. I think the people in the final two should be held accountable (or given credit) for their gameplay. The only way to do this is let the jury see everything. I disagree. That leads to way too many personal vengence votes (why Danielle didn't win her season). I think it's up to the final 2 to describe what they did to win. Will can go into the finals and say he was the mastermind behind things, and tell them how things really were if he wants to reveal that. I would expect him to actually.

If Erika saw how Mike was playing her, she would never vote for him to win. But if she happens to be voted out by Will and Mike goes to the finals, she would never know how much he played her until after the votes.

[mbalgeman]

These days it is always the Golden Veto. Originally the Veto wouldn't let you take yourself off the block, even if you won it.Hmmmm, I thought that originally you could take yourself off if you wanted, but the problem was that if the PoV winner took someone else off, the HoH could put the PoV winner up for nomination. But I could be completely wrong.

[DancnDude]

Hmmmm, I thought that originally you could take yourself off if you wanted, but the problem was that if the PoV winner took someone else off, the HoH could put the PoV winner up for nomination. But I could be completely wrong.
Check out this Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28US%29#The_Power_of_Veto) :)

[markz]

I don't get the thought the Danielle is a smart player - I didn't see her in her first go around but in this show, other than making threats that she never followed through with, what did she do that was so great? She did get played very nicely ;)

:confused:

+1

Also, I think Erika was DEFINITELY gone if Will had won that POV. Will wasn't worried about going up on the block, he just wanted Erika gone. She is a showmance that he ISN'T in charge of, and even though he is clearly loyal to Boogie, I'm pretty sure he knows that Boogie is a terrible manipulator.


I agree. She wasn't very smart AT ALL. From day one, she walked in the door and put her foot in her mouth big time. All she did was make empty threats throughout the game. It seems like she was still trying to play a bit like she did in her season but kept getting it mixed up with her new strategy. First she wanted James to be her new "Jason" and then when he left the house, Erika had to be her new Jason. She keeps insisting Erika would have been safe if she stayed in the house, but what about Danielle's precious "Legion of Doom"? Danielle never once mentioned to Erika that she was originally with CT in their Legion of Doom and if Danielle had stayed with that alliance, Erika would have gone bye-bye. In the end, she ended up backed into a corner and there was no way out for her.

I agree with you guys...

Other than being HOH in week 4 and POV in week 6, Danielle has done NOTHING spectacular in this whole season. She has made MANY empty threats that she can't backup with actions. And now the only power she has is one vote from the jury.

Janelle is by far, the best competitor ever on BB as far as winning competitions for reward, POV, and HOH.

Will is by far, the most manipulative player ever on BB.

If one of those two wins, I will be happy. They each deserve to win.

Boogie is the biggest tag-a-long in BB history! If he were in there without Will, he wouldn't be as far as he is now in the game. He is not good at manipulating people, not good at winning competitions, etc. We probably wouldn't even remember his name and would only know him as that white rap guy from season 2. He definitely wouldn't have been on BB All-Star.

[bobsbizzy]

Although I was as frustrated as any Janelle fan that she didn't nominate both Will and Boogie when she was HOH last night, in hindsight it was a good move.

If she had nominated W & B, and Erika won the POV, (as she did), then IMO, Erika would have "saved" Boogie, Chicken George would have gone up in his place, and Boogie and Erika would have voted out George.

That would have left Janelle still in the house with Chill Town but having made enemies of them. IMO Chill Town have controlled this game precisely because the powerful S6 alliance did not nominate them in at least 3 opportunities.

[unicorngoddess]

Other than being HOH in week 4 and POV in week 6, Danielle has done NOTHING spectacular in this whole season.


And she had both of those handed to her. She had to beg howie down and then asked Erika to give it to he (HOH)

As far as the POV goes, James and the rest of her Legion just let her have that as well.

She never really won anything on her own so all of her threats were just laughable...especially this past week before she was evicted.

[uncdrew]

Although I was as frustrated as any Janelle fan that she didn't nominate both Will and Boogie when she was HOH last night, in hindsight it was a good move.

If she had nominated W & B, and Erika won the POV, (as she did), then IMO, Erika would have "saved" Boogie, Chicken George would have gone up in his place, and Boogie and Erika would have voted out George.

That would have left Janelle still in the house with Chill Town but having made enemies of them. IMO Chill Town have controlled this game precisely because the powerful S6 alliance did not nominate them in at least 3 opportunities.


What if she nominated Will and Erika?


Erika wins, takes herself off. Boogie goes up... one goes home.

[tubsone]

All she does is WIN!!!!!!!............."ALL HAIL THE QUEEN" Janelle BABY! 4 Veto's and 4 HOH's and that's only this season!

[katbug]

I was disappointed that Chicken George didn't reveal his "secret alliance" with CT on his way out the door. I'm sure that would have still been easily explained away, but it would have put maybe the slightest seed of doubt in the girls' minds about everyone being in one.

The talk about Dani as a good player...I think she is very smart strategically, but as she said after the abomination that was the POV during her week as HOH, there was no one else to play strategically with. If she'd teamed up with E and J early on, I really think they could have (and would have) kicked some serious booty!

[bobsbizzy]

What if she nominated Will and Erika?


Erika wins, takes herself off. Boogie goes up... one goes home.


Good point. :o

[Dnamertz]

I disagree. That leads to way too many personal vengence votes (why Danielle didn't win her season). I think it's up to the final 2 to describe what they did to win. Will can go into the finals and say he was the mastermind behind things, and tell them how things really were if he wants to reveal that. I would expect him to actually.

If Erika saw how Mike was playing her, she would never vote for him to win. But if she happens to be voted out by Will and Mike goes to the finals, she would never know how much he played her until after the votes.

Your last two sentences are exactly why the jury should see the tapes. The point of having the evicted houseguests make up the jury is to hold the final two accountable for how they played the game. If you treat someone badly you might lose their vote. It forces people to play a balance of strategy and humanity, instead of just lying. If Mike chooses to play Erika the way he is, there should be a consequence...losing her vote.

[marksman]

I was excited for a second that Will was going to win POV. Too bad. Would've loved to see Erika follow in the heels of Danielle.

Tonights show was anti-climatic knowing CG was going. Good riddance. Shocker that he had no strategy.

Again Janelle proves how awesome she is. 8 for 8!! I wanna see her and Will in the end. Boogie is still a tool and Erika deserves him.

Yeah the only deserving final 2 would be Janelle vs Will.

[marksman]

Janelle is in the WORST spot possible this week now. I agree she should have thrown the HOH competition. It was obvious that CG was the one that was going to go for CT's sake. Now, Janelle is guaranteed to be nominated. If Erica wins HOH, she is all but guaranteed to be leaving. Her only hope is the veto.

I disagree that she is in the worst position possible. She will likely get nominated, but if she can pull out a POV win, then she takes the power position in the house, as she would be the ONLY person voting. It is a dangerous position to be in for sure, but since she has proven she can win a competition on you, not the end of the world for sure.

She could get nominated, win POV, choose which of the two not the HOH who goes home and then be able to compete for the last time.

By the way, I think Janelle has some kind of freak photographic memory. On any sort of memory competition she almost always wins.

[Werd2406]

Yeah but thats ALOT to ask for....granted Janelle is good at competitions but when your only hope of staying in the game is winning a competition, you're not in a good spot...

[Rosincrans]

Your last two sentences are exactly why the jury should see the tapes. The point of having the evicted houseguests make up the jury is to hold the final two accountable for how they played the game. If you treat someone badly you might lose their vote. It forces people to play a balance of strategy and humanity, instead of just lying. If Mike chooses to play Erika the way he is, there should be a consequence...losing her vote.
That would be fair to the houseguests but that would lead to a very boring show. What would we have in the diary room? There would be know talking trash about the stupidity of the other players. No revelations about what the players are really thinking or planning or how they really feel about each other. And worst of all...
No phone calls between Mike and Will!

[newsposter]

why couldn't geo and dani do the early show live yesterday?

for those that didnt watch, cbs basically kept dani from seeing geo ,she did her own interview then geo did his alone then they brought in geo to dani...

[Dnamertz]

That would be fair to the houseguests but that would lead to a very boring show. What would we have in the diary room? There would be know talking trash about the stupidity of the other players. No revelations about what the players are really thinking or planning or how they really feel about each other. And worst of all...
No phone calls between Mike and Will!

We got to see all that in Will's season and in Danielle' season.


As far as this week goes, I want to see one member of CT go home this week (preferably Boogie) because I don't want both of them in the final two. So the best scenario would be if Erika wins HOH. She will most likely nominate Will and Janelle but with only three people to compete against Janelle has a great chance of winning POV. Then Boogie would have to take her place putting both CT members on the block and since Janelle has the only vote she would probably keep Will over Boogie.

[jerobi]

Your last two sentences are exactly why the jury should see the tapes. The point of having the evicted houseguests make up the jury is to hold the final two accountable for how they played the game. If you treat someone badly you might lose their vote. It forces people to play a balance of strategy and humanity, instead of just lying. If Mike chooses to play Erika the way he is, there should be a consequence...losing her vote.

Ah, but Big Brother is not about who you are and what you do. It's who you portray yourself as, and what people perceive you to do.

Allowing jury access to tapes makes it an entirely different show. One that I'll argue would be far more boring, since the element of deceit is effectively negated.

If seeing them be held accountable is your concern, I wouldn't worry about it. Once the game is over, EVERYONE knows what happens.

[3D]

Ah, but Big Brother is not about who you are and what you do. It's who you portray yourself as, and what people perceive you to do.

Allowing jury access to tapes makes it an entirely different show. One that I'll argue would be far more boring, since the element of deceit is effectively negated.

If seeing them be held accountable is your concern, I wouldn't worry about it. Once the game is over, EVERYONE knows what happens.


Plus, who gets to decide what tapes the evictees get to watch? If they simply get to watch the show that's aired, then editing can have too much of an influence.

On another, and possibly contradictory, note, in spite of all her backstabbing in S3, my recollection is that Danielle lost because she was downright mean in her diary room entries and a completely different person than she was to everyone's face. Knowing that her entries would be seen by the jury, she could have shared her strategies without kicking dirt in everyone's face. In season 2, on the other hand, Will made some nasty comments, but they were always laced with humor. Plus, he had the benefit of taking an extremely unlikable player to the finals. Danielle knew her incredibly mean comments would be seen by the jurors and that she was alligned with a likable guy (Jason, even though he got bounced at F3). With that in mind, as good a player as she was, she did not deserve to win. Her strategy was tailor made for second place. IMO, she got what she deserved.

[katbug]

If seeing them be held accountable is your concern, I wouldn't worry about it. Once the game is over, EVERYONE knows what happens.

Yeah, but we don't get to see what their reactions to knowing what happens is! That would be a fun addition to the show...wouldn't mind another week in the house after they've all been privy to each others' shenanigans. It would be quite entertaining...'course, then we'd have to listen to James whine some more, so I'm not sure it would even be worth it. :rolleyes:

[etemple]

Boogie is the biggest tag-a-long in BB history! If he were in there without Will, he wouldn't be as far as he is now in the game. He is not good at manipulating people, not good at winning competitions, etc. We probably wouldn't even remember his name and would only know him as that white rap guy from season 2. He definitely wouldn't have been on BB All-Star.

I disagree. He absolutely is a tag-along, but he won that PoV competition and he's won 2 HoH's.
I think if he and Will hadn't decided to tank everything, he'd have won more.
plus, he has always been good at manipulating women.

Not only that, but CBS has loved Mike Boogie from get go.
I'm pretty sure it's his eye in the opening credits--it's been the same since s2
but really, we'd remember him as that jerk who proposed to his showmance on live tv in a basketball uniform and sweatband.

[unicorngoddess]

I disagree. He absolutely is a tag-along, but he won that PoV competition and he's won 2 HoH's.


I'm sure you mean 1 HOH.

[Dnamertz]

Ah, but Big Brother is not about who you are and what you do. It's who you portray yourself as, and what people perceive you to do.

Allowing jury access to tapes makes it an entirely different show. One that I'll argue would be far more boring, since the element of deceit is effectively negated.


I don't remember which season they stopped allowing the jury to see the tapes and started sequestering them, but they saw the tapes in season two and three and those were not boring. There will always be deceit, if people want to try stay in the house they will make alliances and deals with others. I'm not sure what Big Brother is supposed to be, but in my mind it is partialy an experiment of how people will treat each other in order to win money. Especially at the end where they decide whether to take the "bad guy" to the finals because they think they can beat them (like Nichole did in S2) or they take the likable person even if that might cost them 1st place. I just like the jury to know who they are voting on.

[purple6816]

D'oh, I forgot that it was going to be on a different channel here tonight, so I missed the first 15 minutes. Stupid Cowboys! :( I started recording as Danielle was watching the recorded goodbyes. I already got filled in on the machinations that CT was doing before the vote.


www.torrentspy.com if you want to get last nights episode.

[jerobi]

...I'm not sure what Big Brother is supposed to be, but in my mind it is partialy an experiment of how people will treat each other in order to win money. Especially at the end where they decide whether to take the "bad guy" to the finals because they think they can beat them (like Nichole did in S2) or they take the likable person even if that might cost them 1st place. I just like the jury to know who they are voting on.

Okay, but then you're removing all of the diary room truth. It incentifies people to just clam up. The jury should already know who they are voting on - they lived with the person for XX straight days in a small house and backyard. If someone is able to work some creative deceit in those cramped spaces, I like that they have a shot at getting away with it. And it also gives you plenty of gloating for the diary room - their only time among all those strangers that a player can truly let their guard down for a few minutes a day.

I guess it boils down to what we want the show to be. I don't want the nice person to win. I want the sneaky person who masterfully plotted all the way to finals. Seeing Will win in S2 was quite satisfying. He not only lied, he TOLD everyone that he was a liar. And they decided that he earned it.

[appleye1]

Not only that, but CBS has loved Mike Boogie from get go.
I'm pretty sure it's his eye in the opening credits--it's been the same since s2...
That's a rumor that's been going around a while, that it was Mike's eye in the credits. But according to this interview of Arnold Shapiro (BB producer) from a month ago, there's no truth to it. Link (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/02/213817.php)

Sorry! It would have been a cool bit of trivia if true. :)

[Fl_Gulfer]

I hope the person who needs the money wins it.

[unicorngoddess]

That's a rumor that's been going around a while, that it was Mike's eye in the credits. But according to this interview of Arnold Shapiro (BB producer) from a month ago, there's no truth to it. Link (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/02/213817.php)

Sorry! It would have been a cool bit of trivia if true. :)

I always thought the eye belonged to Chicken George.

[jradford]

I hope the person who needs the money wins it.
But then it's just the lottery. I hate that they actually have to worry about a "sympathy" vote. It's a game! A high stakes game, but still a game. There are different ways to play it, but I think you still HAVE to play it to earn the money.

[purple6816]

I hope the person who needs the money wins it.

Then CG should have won. He needs new outfits. :p

[SuperZippy]

I hope the person who needs the money wins it.

prolly the lamest thing i have ever heard about a reality show...

[ChaseKTN]

I'm sure that if Julie had told Janelle to make her nominations there on the spot, like she did with George when he won HoH, she might have actually put either Will or Mike up... But as it was, Jules warned her she had four minutes before announcing her decision, and of course, Will got to her.

Why, oh why, did no one think he wouldn't pull the same stuff he pulled in season two?

[Dnamertz]

I guess it boils down to what we want the show to be. I don't want the nice person to win. I want the sneaky person who masterfully plotted all the way to finals. Seeing Will win in S2 was quite satisfying. He not only lied, he TOLD everyone that he was a liar. And they decided that he earned it.

I agree with you about the sneaky person getting to the finals deserving to win. The most entertaining thing was watching Will manipulate people this season and in S2. The part I want people to be held accountable for is the way they treat people personally, not whether they betrayed them strategically. The people I want to lose are the people who go into the diary room, or behind people's backs, and call them names. If I was about to award $500,000 to someone I would want to know if they said horrible things about me because I would factor than in to my vote. I don't want the nice person to win, I want the person who had the better strategy (like Will) or was more competitive (like Janelle), but who also wasn't an A**.

[etemple]

Then CG should have won. He needs new outfits. :p

what are you talking about?
He just got a beautiful neon green spandex leotard.
who could want for clothese after that, especially since he also got a pink flower headpiece?
:p

[etemple]

I'm sure you mean 1 HOH.

oh right.
the pie thing.
I get pov and hoh mixed up.

:o

[etemple]

That's a rumor that's been going around a while, that it was Mike's eye in the credits. But according to this interview of Arnold Shapiro (BB producer) from a month ago, there's no truth to it. Link (http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/08/02/213817.php)

Sorry! It would have been a cool bit of trivia if true. :)

ah well.
but when did we start to believe the bb execs?
still I would have bet a year's income (I'm a grad student, so it's not much) that Mike Boogie was one of the 'other' all-stars. They loved him s2, and they still love him.

Why, I don't know.
Maybe the cbs folks get a good discount at dolce.

[appleye1]

ah well.
but when did we start to believe the bb execs?
still I would have bet a year's income (I'm a grad student, so it's not much) that Mike Boogie was one of the 'other' all-stars. They loved him s2, and they still love him.

Why, I don't know.
Maybe the cbs folks get a good discount at dolce.
I bet they do. From what I've heard Dolce is is like the "reality show has-beens central". They all hang out there commiserating with each other, trying to figure out why they can't get any acting jobs. I'm sure any studio exec that walks in the door gets a big discount!