Prison Break "Otis" OAD 8/28/2005 (S02E02) *spoilers*

[terpfan1980]

T-Bag is still just pure evil. He may have been "humane" to the doctor, but he's still pure evil.

Bellick getting fired, and then basically becoming (or appearing like he'll become) a bounty hunter chasing down the escapees was somewhat predictable, but probably is a good turn for things. It keeps him in the show and keeps him as another nemesis for the escapees.

Seeing the previously fired "screw"/CO in the "previously on" was an obvious clue that he was going to be involved in the story tonite.

I felt bad for the warden, he quit the job sticking up for Bellick, and then tore up his wife's anniversary present in that fit of rage for letting Michael get the best of him. Sad.

Tweener trying to head towards Utah, along with the others, was easily predictable. They'll all go for the money and probably turn the show into a more tense and intense version of "Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad world...." in that chase.

Going after LJ and using relatively simple code to do it almost got Michael and Linc captured and they still aren't in a good spot as is. They should have run, run, run as far as they could, but if they did then there'd be no real show at this point.

Too bad LJ can't get the fibbie to start checking into the truth of his story.

[Werd2406]

Did anyone else think i was amazing how fast T-Bag was able to use his just sewen back on hand??

[appleye1]

Did anyone else think i was amazing how fast T-Bag was able to use his just sewen back on hand??
Where did you see him use it? I was watching for that but I couldn't see a point where he actually did. It sort of looked like he did when he was drying his hair, but I reran it a couple of times and I couldn't say for sure. Was there some other place? I wonder how the show is going to play that anyway? Realistically the hand will start rotting and he'll be looking for another vet. He may as well have sewn a rump roast on the end of his arm.

But yeah, he is pure evil. You could tell he got off watching the vet die. **shiver**

I also wonder how its going to work out for the girl that's giving Tweener a ride. How stupid was she? You could tell every nerve in her body was saying NO, but she agreed to give him a ride anyway. :confused:

And the whole idea of getting the kid out of jail was just dumb. They completely ruined their getaway by doing that. Not only is the law 10 steps closer to catching them, but they left all kinds of things they need (and evidence/leads for the cops) in the car they had to abandon. Stupid, stupid move.

[desulliv]

Did anyone else think i was amazing how fast T-Bag was able to use his just sewen back on hand??

Once you get past that his arm could be reattached by a Vet, presumably not trained in micro-surgery, in his office, with no anesthetic, the rest falls right into place.

[JYoung]

This probably explains why he looks so great despite all the blood loss.
I didn't know that reattaching a hand would correct blood loss.
Unless he got a transfusion of dog's blood...... ;)

[spikedavis]

Once you get past that his arm could be reattached by a Vet, presumably not trained in micro-surgery, in his office, with no anesthetic, the rest falls right into place.

:lol:

[dswallow]

Any guesses on when the picture LJ took when confronted by the agent who'd killed his mother and step-father will come out?

[Highspeedhomer]

Once you get past that his arm could be reattached by a Vet, presumably not trained in micro-surgery, in his office, with no anesthetic, the rest falls right into place.

Yeah, that may have been the deal breaker for me, it may be time to move on to a different show. I have been on the edge for awhile, time to jump.

[appleye1]

Once you get past that his arm could be reattached by a Vet, presumably not trained in micro-surgery, in his office, with no anesthetic, the rest falls right into place
Yeah, that may have been the deal breaker for me, it may be time to move on to a different show. I have been on the edge for awhile, time to jump.What you're doing is jumping the gun. We don't know yet whether the surgery was successful. I agree if it turns out that he gains full function in that hand they have gone too far, but I really doubt that's going to happen.

The show has so far treated us like we're halfway intelligent. I'm willing to see where the T-Bag story line goes.

[Jeeters]

I don't think it's believable, but still I'm *willing* to believe the surgery was successful. i.e., that the vet was able to at at least attach the major arteries and veins together to establish blood flow so that the hand at least can stay alive. But if he starts to move fingers, then forget it. Not sure what exactly is supposed to be holding the ends of the bones together; no splint, no cast, no nothing. I guess he better not bump the hand against anything otherwise the stitches will rip and the hand will flop right over at the cut.

[newsposter]

since they already had the real gun in the elevator, why did it make a difference that the fbi guy knew the other was fake? That seemed to be the turning point in the fight

Losing 2 cons in a police filled courthouse...will all those guys be fired too? And good thing that truck was there making a delivery. The warden was indeed stupid to quit for a slug like the dirty CO. But maybe he saw the writing on the wall and knew he'd be fired down the road. I would have thought he'd be fired immediately anyway.

why would money all of a sudden make someone stop killing themselves? I dont think so.

Stupid girl...when your body says no your mind shouldn't say yes. You are literally in the middle of a busy place and easily could have made a scene on campus. Sorry she deserves what she gets. That's what instincts are for. You were warned. I'm really glad they did make a deal out of the stuff thing. That car would be loaded with tons of wash for mom so having nothing is....nuts :)

What do the guys know about where in utah this is? I may have forgotten but I dont think mike would have let that cat out of the bag.

Let's assume linc's cleared of the murder....is everything he did once he broke out punishable?

[Donbadabon]

why would money all of a sudden make someone stop killing themselves? I dont think so.



I took his sudden change of mind as a realization he could still go after them. After the FBI took over, and he was fired, he thought it was over. But with the bounty announcement, and dear old mom mentioning that people everywhere are going to be looking for the escapees, then he realized he could still track them down.

I think the chance of revenge stopped him from killing himself, not the money.

[TheGreyOwl]

since they already had the real gun in the elevator, why did it make a difference that the fbi guy knew the other was fake? That seemed to be the turning point in the fight


Because the fact that they were using a fake to gun to begin with told the FBI agent that they never really intended to shoot anyone, so he assumed that they wouldn't shoot even with the real gun.

[tigercat74]

My local channel cut out the first ten minutes with weather warnings. Can anyone give me a quick recap? Thanks in advance.

[Sparty99]

[gaping plot hole alert]

Can someone please explain why the fact that Michael helped design the prison and requested to be assigned there upon sentencing has not been brought up in the search?

[/gaping plot hole alert]

[TIVO_GUY_HERE]

Why was the FBI guy so interested in that birdbath?

[Magister]

[gaping plot hole alert]

Can someone please explain why the fact that Michael helped design the prison and requested to be assigned there upon sentencing has not been brought up in the search?

[/gaping plot hole alert]

They didn't know he was the designer. He worked as a subcontractor, off the books even I seem to remember. So there was no record of him designing it.

[cherry ghost]

Why was the FBI guy so interested in that birdbath?


He's looking for hybrids.

[Magister]

Why was the FBI guy so interested in that birdbath?

Seemed that it provided him a chance to 'reflect' on himself.

[scottykempf]

Because the fact that they were using a fake to gun to begin with told the FBI agent that they never really intended to shoot anyone, so he assumed that they wouldn't shoot even with the real gun.

What if they just couldn't get a real gun, so they used a fake one? I kept yelling at Michael "Shoot him, shoot him". I know that it's not in his character to do so, but the Sheriff Underlay was pulling on LJ and the only reason that they went back was to get LJ.

And what make's us think that the courthouse was FILLED with cops? Maybe there weren't that many hearings scheduled for that day so there were only a few around.

The ride share girl has never heard of anyone mailing their stuff ahead of them when going on a trip? I thought that people did that on a routine basis.

[MitchO]

And what make's us think that the courthouse was FILLED with cops? Maybe there weren't that many hearings scheduled for that day so there were only a few around..

LJ's appearance was probably pretty newsworthy, and they are of course going to cover any connection to the escaped convicts.

I, for one, never thought Billick was really going to kill himself. He was loading the gun, but other than looking shellshocked showed no specific indication that he was suicidal. My thought was "if he's a momma's boy like that, he isn't going to do it in the house for her to hear and discover him".

Where's Haywire? We haven't seen him since he took off on the bicycle.

[Joeg180]

Ok, Tbag starts flexing the hand after the Vet does the surgery, the wound is wrapped in gauze only. No splint, cast something to immobilize it? He then chokes the vet with that arm. Later after the vet is put down you see him dyeing his hair using both hands?

If you have a gun on the fed, get down there and handcuff him to the elevator, unlock the cuffs on LJ. Take the guys wallet or something since you lost everything in the car out side the hardware store.

Lincoln, could you wear a cap or some sunglasses, your face is plastered all over the news?

The ride to Utah should be interesting...

[scottykempf]

Note to self: When you are an escapee from a prison break, and your faces are plastered all over the papers, DON'T keep staring at people that might recognize you. !!!

[TAsunder]

What's the deal with lincoln keeping his shirt unbuttoned and his general slob-like appearance?

[ireland967]

If gaping plot holes aren't your cup of tea, this is definitely not your show. These guys make 24 look like a real-life documentary :)

[jking]

[gaping plot hole alert]

Can someone please explain why the fact that Michael helped design the prison and requested to be assigned there upon sentencing has not been brought up in the search?

[/gaping plot hole alert]

I might be missing something here so this is probably a stupid question, but what does that matter at this point? They're out now, and I don't see how the fact that he helped design the prison will help them get them back.

I thought the same thing last week when someone said maybe they would find Haywire and he would tell them about the prison map tat on Michael. They already know he's using the tat for assistance, what does figuring out how they escaped do to help them find them now?

Someone please enlighten me, cause I'm feeling really stupid. :confused:

[jking]

What's the deal with lincoln keeping his shirt unbuttoned and his general slob-like appearance?

And what's the deal with him looking everyone he sees in the face and not making any effort to conceal his identity? You're a fugitive now, Linc, you shouldn't be giving some chick 'the eyes' in the middle of the street. :rolleyes:

[TAsunder]

Well, there is something to be gained by knowing which tattoos were used for the escape, so they can ignore those in trying to decipher the tattoos in order to figure out where they will be.

[TAsunder]

And what's the deal with him looking everyone he sees in the face and not making any effort to conceal his identity? You're a fugitive now, Linc, you shouldn't be giving some chick 'the eyes' in the middle of the street. :rolleyes:

Lincoln should have sunglasses and the ball cap. The cap looks stupid on michael. Although I did used to work with people who would wear a suit and ball cap.

[jking]

Lincoln should have sunglasses and the ball cap. The cap looks stupid on michael. Although I did used to work with people who would wear a suit and ball cap.

I thought it was funny that one scene with Linc and Michael walking and Michael had the ball cap and a backpack on. Michael looked like a grown-up kid. Talk about attracting attention. :eek:

[tedder]

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned- the vet doc is still alive.

Tweener is stupid.

[Philly Bill]

Yeah I don't think anyone will ask OnStar to tell them the location of the Vets Jeep will they? Good car to steal.

[jlb]

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned- the vet doc is still alive.



My wife and I thought that same possibility when the camera focused on him at the end there. However, what else did you see that confirms this for you?

[tedder]

My wife and I thought that same possibility when the camera focused on him at the end there. However, what else did you see that confirms this for you?

It was more the lack of evidence- kind of like Sarah's overdose that implied death, or Abruzzi's.

[scottykempf]

Yeah, I was like "As soon as they find the vet killed, they will see his car is missing and ask OnStar and they will say he asked for directions." Of course, they have to link his death with the escapees, plus think about OnStar etc. etc.

[TAsunder]

Yeah, Mr. pedophile probably injected the guy with telazol. The doctor will wake up and be slightly hallucinating and unable to keep his balance. That's what happens when the vet gives my cat telazol to calm her down, anyway. He will accidentally kill himself when he tries to jump on a ledge, because unlike my cat, he doesn't have proper balance instincts to avoid landing on his head.

[Joeg180]

He steals the picnic lunch after staring at the SUV for how long?

Could someone please steal another pair of pants for the mob boss.

[desulliv]

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned- the vet doc is still alive.

Tweener is stupid.
When he didn't use a knife for good measure I thought they were leaving that open as a possibility. TBag obviously has a problem with follow through--Abruzzi survived. Maybe he's not such a cold-blooded killer after all. :cool:

[DevdogAZ]

[gaping plot hole alert]

Can someone please explain why the fact that Michael helped design the prison and requested to be assigned there upon sentencing has not been brought up in the search?

[/gaping plot hole alert]
If I remember right, he didn't design the prison at all. He simply got a job with the engineering firm that designed the prison remodel after the fact. While down in the engineering firm's archives, he found the blueprints for Fox River and that's what hatched his whole plan. I think he even snuck the prints out of the office so nobody even knows that he ever had them.

[smeek] It was driving me crazy that Linc was walking around without any attempt at disguising himself. He's supposedly one of the most notorious criminals in the country and now his pic is on the front page of every paper and he doesn't even bother to put on a hat or sunglasses?

I'm glad they ditched Sucre, C-Note. There really is no story left with those guys and they were just an anchor. Sucre is going to get caught as soon as he tries to see his girlfriend, and C-Note probably can't go home now that his family knows he's been lying to them about being in Iraq this whole time. There is still a little bit of story left with Abruzzi because he still thinks Michael knows where Fibonacci is, but realistically he should just leave it and go away.

I think it will be interesting to see Tweener, T-Bag, and Michael/Linc racing for Tooele, Utah. However, if they're going to pick such an obscure place to use as a plot point in the show, they ought to at least learn how to pronounce it. It's not pronounced like "tool." It's pronounced like "too-will-uh."

[newsposter]

why why why why dont each of these guys have better disguises?? Cap is the right idea but how about more? Much more!!! That really bugs me that mike sees his bro talking on a cell phone in a public garage..why not get in the car??? arghhh

[desulliv]

why why why why dont each of these guys have better disguises?? Cap is the right idea but how about more? Much more!!! That really bugs me that mike sees his bro talking on a cell phone in a public garage..why not get in the car??? arghhh
Maybe he was afraid he would "touch the radio."

[jschuur]

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned- the vet doc is still alive.
They're going to need him in the next episode to stitch Veronica back together.

[desulliv]

They're going to need him in the next episode to stitch Veronica back together.
Too good! :up:

[sjgmoney]

Vet finsihes attaching TBags hand, says something about "I was able to get blood flowing back into it because you kept it on ice"

Blood flow? How about bones and nerves and tendons m-fer?

Then after Tbag throws up from the pain, he grabs the Vet around the neck with his reattached hand. You know, the one that was so painful he just threw up!!! No anasthesia (sp?), no painkillers and evidently NO SWELLING!! Who knew!!!!

And he again uses the hand/arm to dry his hair off. That reattached piece of meat would be so useless to mere mortals but evidently TBag is Lord Vader.

[phox_mulder]

Vet finsihes attaching TBags hand, says something about "I was able to get blood flowing back into it because you kept it on ice"

Blood flow? How about bones and nerves and tendons m-fer?

The vet said something about the bones, but I didn't quite hear what he said,
and CC dropped out at that point as well.

Something like, "The bones are bent"?

Wondering if he screwed/plated the bones back together, thus the solidity of the cut point?

Got it on the HD TiVo, watched last night and deleted.
I think my SA has a backup, perhaps I'll watch that portion and see if I can hear/see what the vet actually said regarding the bones.


phox

[Magnolia88]

Note to self: When you are an escapee from a prison break, and your faces are plastered all over the papers, DON'T keep staring at people that might recognize you. !!!

LOL. Seriously, these guys are putting more effort into flirting with/picking up strange women than trying to disguise their identities.

[smeek x10]: Linc, please put on a cap! Sunglasses! Anything at all that might hide your face? Michael at least went for the Clark Kent approach. Not that it worked, but it's the effort that counts.

PB, I love you but you are ON NOTICE. The plot holes are becoming craters and it's getting harder for me to stay on board with some of this.

Linc was all "this is my only chance to get LJ!" He of all people should know that LJ will have LOTS of other hearings before he goes to trial. Probably months of hearings, if not years. There will be plenty of other chances to snatch LJ from the courthouse, but right now with the feds hot on your heels and your photos all over the front page of the papers? Not such a good idea.

[JYoung]

He steals the picnic lunch after staring at the SUV for how long?


Yogi Bear is smarter than the average bear....

[vertigo235]

I don't enen know why somje people are trying to rationalize it.

THER IS NO WAY THE VET COULD HAVE REATTACHED HIS HAND.

With that said, it's TV so lets just move on :D

[scottykempf]

Yeah, people who watch TV or movies for reality will be sorely dissapointed.

[desulliv]

Linc was all "this is my only chance to get LJ!" He of all people should know that LJ will have LOTS of other hearings before he goes to trial. Probably months of hearings, if not years. There will be plenty of other chances to snatch LJ from the courthouse, but right now with the feds hot on your heels and your photos all over the front page of the papers? Not such a good idea.
A better plan would be to get caught, they'd all be in prison together and plan another Prison Break--Season 3.

[cherry ghost]

Linc was all "this is my only chance to get LJ!" He of all people should know that LJ will have LOTS of other hearings before he goes to trial. Probably months of hearings, if not years. There will be plenty of other chances to snatch LJ from the courthouse, but right now with the feds hot on your heels and your photos all over the front page of the papers? Not such a good idea.


It was a hearing to see if he would be tried as an adult. If the judge decided that he would be tried as an adult, they were sending him immediately to an adult facility in Arizona. I'm sure this facility will come up again after the Utah stop.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I have a hunch the "Prison Break" of this season will be getting LJ out of the Arizona facility...

[Magnolia88]

It was a hearing to see if he would be tried as an adult. If the judge decided that he would be tried as an adult, they were sending him immediately to an adult facility in Arizona. I'm sure this facility will come up again after the Utah stop.

Right, but that's part of my problem with that "explanation." LJ has not been tried yet. He has not been convicted yet. He has to be brought to the courthouse for various hearings, and then months - or years- from now, he will face trial on his pending charges.

For that reason, the idea that he would be sent to Arizona is ridiculous, because his trial would be in Chicago. The caption even said it was the Cook County Courthouse. Cook County is not going to send its pretrial detainees to Arizona before they've even had a chance to try them. That just made no sense at all. I don't think the taxpayers of Illinois want to pay to have LJ flown back and forth between AZ and IL for every hearing. And I don't know why AZ would agree to house prisoners for IL either.

Conceivably, the trial judge could move the venue of LJ's trial to another part of Illinois if there were a lot of pretrial publicity, but the trial would not be moved to Arizona. It's absurd.

[desulliv]

Right, but that's part of my problem with that "explanation." LJ has not been tried yet. He has not been convicted yet. He has to be brought to the courthouse for various hearings, and then months - or years- from now, he will face trial on his pending charges.

For that reason, the idea that he would be sent to Arizona is ridiculous, because his trial would be in Chicago. The caption even said it was the Cook County Courthouse. Cook County is not going to send its pretrial detainees to Arizona before they've even had a chance to try them. That just made no sense at all. I don't think the taxpayers of Illinois want to pay to have LJ flown back and forth between AZ and IL for every hearing. And I don't know why AZ would agree to house prisoners for IL either.

Conceivably, the trial judge could move the venue of LJ's trial to another part of Illinois if there were a lot of pretrial publicity, but the trial would not be moved to Arizona. It's absurd.
But Arizona is so much closer to Utah than is Illinois.

[scottykempf]

And Houston, where they are filming this season, looks a lot more like Arizona.

[Magnolia88]

But Arizona is so much closer to Utah than is Illinois.

LOL.

Ah, so the judge in LJ's murder case is in on the plan and is actively scheming to help them. How convenient for Michael & co. And apparently there is someone at an AZ jail willing to help out, too, by agreeing to house a defendant from Illinois for some unknown reason. (What, there aren't any jails in Illinois? I've seen The Blues Brothers, so I know they exist.)

I know this show has never been good with the legal details, but it just gets more and more ridiculous.

Although I agree that T-Bag's hand being reattached by a vet is probably the most absurd thing they've done so far.

Yeah, people who watch TV or movies for reality will be sorely dissapointed.

I don't watch TV for "reality" (I was an Alias fan, for pete's sake), but when the plot twists and turns are so over-the-top as to be cartoonish, it takes me out of the story and I can't be as engaged in the plight of the characters. It needs to have some semblance of feeling real so I can care about what happens to Michael & co.

Having said that, though, I'm still totally on board with PB. But I don't want to laugh at it, I want to be carried along by the story. The suspense only works if I'm engaged in the story and care about what happens to the characters.

[Johnny Dazzle]

I don't think the taxpayers of Illinois want to pay to have LJ flown back and forth between AZ and IL for every hearing.


They've spent my taxpayer money on stupider things.

[Vito the TiVo]

Lincoln Burrows.

The newspaper said "Burrow's Son"

Get a proofreader.

[cheesesteak]

The whole T-Bag plotline in this episode was disappointing. I'm willing to suspend belief for a tv show but don't want to feel stupid for doing so.

[Mabes]

I don't enen know why somje people are trying to rationalize it.

THER IS NO WAY THE VET COULD HAVE REATTACHED HIS HAND.

With that said, it's TV so lets just move on :D

And there is no way he could have overpowered the vet. Or that the vet would be stupid enough to turn his back on him, which he did at one point. Or wimpy enough to try and run away from a guy who just had his hand reattached without anesthesia. He could have knocked him down by blowing on him. The whole thing was one of the more ridiculous scences in TV history. Unfortunately we can't quite move on because T-Bag is still a major character.

I don't get it, really. The show has stretched credibility at times, but in this case it's like they think all the viewers are complete morons.

[bqmeister]

I thought they were filming in Dallas, not Houston.

[gchance]

I must be different than everyone else. I didn't catch any of the T-Bag stuff until it was pointed out to me here.

It was in my Recently Deleted items so I ff'ed to the T-Bag parts. Geez, it was bad. He shoved a medical cart to the side using the hand, then put the bad arm around the vet's neck while holding the knife with the other. Later, the vet was strapped onto the table and you see T-Bag holding the syringe... in the reattached hand. Now granted he wasn't GRIPPING it, but it was in that hand. Then he grabbed it with his right, turned around, and injected the vet.

Oh, then ran his injured hand through his hair. Yay!

It would have been more fun had his head been severed & reattached instead.

WESSSSSSSSST!

Greg

[Idearat]

It would have been more fun had his head been severed & reattached instead.

WESSSSSSSSST!



Since there is no Star Trek TV series filming now, Jeffrey Combs should have been available to play the doctor.

[MickeS]

Yeah... this expression is severely overused - but T-Bag getting his arm re-attached was a "jump the shark" moment for sure. I have no problems with stretching credibility like they've done all along, but this was just too much. Especially since there are other ways they could've done it.

They could have had the veterinarian simply do a crude glue-and-staple job and covered the whole thing in plaster... storywise, it shouldn't have made much difference, and would have been much easier to explain.

It really tainted my enjoyment of this series. They might as well have solved it by having aliens bursting in at the vet's office and healing t-bag with their medical ray-guns.

[dswallow]

They might as well have solved it by having aliens bursting in at the vet's office and healing t-bag with their medical ray-guns.
Hey now, use spoiler tags if you're gonna give away next week's plot!

:p

[sjgmoney]

It really tainted my enjoyment of this series. They might as well have solved it by having aliens bursting in at the vet's office and healing t-bag with their medical ray-guns.

No, that's how they bring Veronica back to life. I actually started wondering about her getting a miracle save when the Info for the episode listed Robin Tunney in the credits. Do you normally put someone in the credits who got shot in the head and then chopped up the weak before?

[JETarpon]

No, that's how they bring Veronica back to life. I actually started wondering about her getting a miracle save when the Info for the episode listed Robin Tunney in the credits. Do you normally put someone in the credits who got shot in the head and then chopped up the weak before?

You do if her twin sister has yet to make her appearance.

[gchance]

Since there is no Star Trek TV series filming now, Jeffrey Combs should have been available to play the doctor.

Nah, he was too busy shedding his skin on The 4400.

Greg

[Rob Helmerichs]

No, that's how they bring Veronica back to life. I actually started wondering about her getting a miracle save when the Info for the episode listed Robin Tunney in the credits. Do you normally put someone in the credits who got shot in the head and then chopped up the weak before?
The credits in Info are generic, and often have an actor listed for months or years after he leaves the show.

[TAsunder]

Also, she was in the "previously" part, so I imagine they have to include her in the cast list.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Also, she was in the "previously" part, so I imagine they have to include her in the cast list.
That's not the case. Only if she's in a flashback in the episode itself.

[jschuur]

It really tainted my enjoyment of this series. They might as well have solved it by having aliens bursting in at the vet's office and healing t-bag with their medical ray-guns.
You mean hybrids, don't you?

[nrrhgreg]

I live in Arlington, a suburb of Dallas, and it's cool seeing familiar places, even though they seem to not have done so good of a job of hiding where they were filming at. There's the WFAA 8 logo when Linc and Michael are entering the parking garage, which is the local ABC affiliate. Then when they are running from the court house to the van/truck thing you can clearly see a sign for the Dallas Observer on their old office building in downtown Dallas. I actually drive on that street everyday. Then there's multiple DART (Dallas Area Rapid Transit) signs and buses throughout the episode.

[mattack]

How did the one guy get the college sweatshirt or whatever and hat?* He didn't have any money, right?

[JYoung]

He stole it.
We saw him pulling a tag off of the sleeve when we first saw him walking at the college.

He's also been picking pockets......

[Jesda]

Sucre's gonna kill some people.

[newsposter]

dont people that get bumped know they are being picked?

[cheesesteak]

All I know is that if I'm a vet and some half dead, one handed guy comes into my office, threatens to kill me, makes me reattach his half dead severed hand and I've got 101 sharp objects laying around, one of us is going to be dead soon and it ain't going to be me - at least not without a death match.

[newsposter]

ur right...just one object in the open arm and he has a few seconds to get away for sure

[Mabes]

I missed something at the beginning. WHen they split up, was there a conversation about it? Did Michael just tell the other guys to go for the money?

[DevdogAZ]

How did the one guy get the college sweatshirt or whatever and hat?* He didn't have any money, right?
Didn't he appear with the college clothes right after he told the person at the airline/bus ticket counter he had $45 and then bolted. I assumed he used that money (that he apparently got from the wallet he lifted) since he didn't actually buy a ticket anywhere.

[DevdogAZ]

I missed something at the beginning. WHen they split up, was there a conversation about it? Did Michael just tell the other guys to go for the money?
I think it was just understood that since their flight to get them to Mexico didn't work out, they were all better off going their separate ways. There was never any talk from Michael telling them to go to Utah to get the money, but enough other people overheard Westmoreland tell Michael where it was that they are all headed there.

[Steveknj]

A couple of small points:

I noticed that it was a Jeep that had OnStar. I though OnStar was ONLY in GM vehicles.

I love how all the escapees keep planning to go to Utah. Tweener tries to buy a bus ticket to "Utah" and T-Bag asks the OnStar person how to get to "Utah". Well last I checked, Utah is a big state. Do the escapees know exactly where to go to Utah or will they wind up on the border and then have to wander around the state for years hitting every town and city (and miles and miles of desert and mountains) before they find the money? That just seems preposterous to me.

I'm still on board with this show, but seriously, once they got out of prison, a lot of the allure for me is gone. I would also like them to focus a bit more on the consipiracy that got Linc in prison to begin with. I'm still not quite understanding that whole plot line.

[DevdogAZ]

I love how all the escapees keep planning to go to Utah. Tweener tries to buy a bus ticket to "Utah" and T-Bag asks the OnStar person how to get to "Utah". Well last I checked, Utah is a big state. Do the escapees know exactly where to go to Utah or will they wind up on the border and then have to wander around the state for years hitting every town and city (and miles and miles of desert and mountains) before they find the money? That just seems preposterous to me.
See my post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4320217&highlight=tooele#post4320217) earlier in this thread. They all know they are headed to Tooele, Utah, which is west of SLC. Someone mentioned it in this episode, but pronounced it wrong, which bugged me. Anyway, Westmoreland told Michael the specifics and at least one other person overheard him. It had something to do with a silo, IIRC.

[cheesesteak]

What happened to Tweener's homeboy accent?

Now that they're busted out, they need to somehow merge this show with 24.

[sjgmoney]

What happened to Tweener's homeboy accent?

Now that they're busted out, they need to somehow merge this show with 24.

Oh he still has it, did you see the girl's face when they wre discussing the ride share to Utah? She looked like she needed a translator for his wigger-speak. "c'mon, let's bounce"

24 is too realistic to merge with this show. ;)

[kyote]

What's the deal with lincoln keeping his shirt unbuttoned and his general slob-like appearance?

cause it makes him ruggedly good looking to the ladies maybe?

[kyote]

Right, but that's part of my problem with that "explanation." LJ has not been tried yet. He has not been convicted yet. He has to be brought to the courthouse for various hearings, and then months - or years- from now, he will face trial on his pending charges.

For that reason, the idea that he would be sent to Arizona is ridiculous, because his trial would be in Chicago. The caption even said it was the Cook County Courthouse. Cook County is not going to send its pretrial detainees to Arizona before they've even had a chance to try them. That just made no sense at all. I don't think the taxpayers of Illinois want to pay to have LJ flown back and forth between AZ and IL for every hearing. And I don't know why AZ would agree to house prisoners for IL either.

Conceivably, the trial judge could move the venue of LJ's trial to another part of Illinois if there were a lot of pretrial publicity, but the trial would not be moved to Arizona. It's absurd.

But how else would he get to be in the same part of the country as everyone else? They're all headed to Utah, at least Arizona is in the same ballpark. :)

[kyote]

LOL.

Ah, so the judge in LJ's murder case is in on the plan and is actively scheming to help them. How convenient for Michael & co. And apparently there is someone at an AZ jail willing to help out, too, by agreeing to house a defendant from Illinois for some unknown reason. (What, there aren't any jails in Illinois? I've seen The Blues Brothers, so I know they exist.)

I know this show has never been good with the legal details, but it just gets more and more ridiculous.

Although I agree that T-Bag's hand being reattached by a vet is probably the most absurd thing they've done so far.



I don't watch TV for "reality" (I was an Alias fan, for pete's sake), but when the plot twists and turns are so over-the-top as to be cartoonish, it takes me out of the story and I can't be as engaged in the plight of the characters. It needs to have some semblance of feeling real so I can care about what happens to Michael & co.

Having said that, though, I'm still totally on board with PB. But I don't want to laugh at it, I want to be carried along by the story. The suspense only works if I'm engaged in the story and care about what happens to the characters.

Ever since I got that frontal lobotomy so I could watch 90210, I find TV just as believable as real life, if not more so. Try it, it makes it easier. :)

[newsposter]

how do the rest of the guys know what city to go to and where to find the money? Or will they all just drive along the road and see each other?

[Magister]

how do the rest of the guys know what city to go to and where to find the money? Or will they all just drive along the road and see each other?

DB Cooper told Michael with other guys in the room as he was dieing where the money was.

[jeff125va]

Once you get past that his arm could be reattached by a Vet, presumably not trained in micro-surgery, in his office, with no anesthetic, the rest falls right into place.
I'm not quite ready to jump ship on this show yet, but this plot line is the first one that's made it difficult for me to suspend disbelief to the point of being annoyed with the show.

[Sir_winealot]

The fact that they had sunglasses to wear (they wore them in earlier scenes) but continued to have 'stare-fests' with people while not wearing them was truly baffling.

While heading to the court house it was so sunny out, they were squinting. So even if yer not gonna wear 'em to disguise yourself....perhaps use them to shield your eyes from the brightness?

[pcguru83]

I noticed that it was a Jeep that had OnStar. I though OnStar was ONLY in GM vehicles.


Thank you!! Being a former OnStar employee while in college, this drove me nuts. A Jeep...geez!!

Another thing. Seeing as how the President of the United States died the same night the convicts escaped, wouldn't that be more newsworthy of the front page in the newspaper? Everytime I saw someone looking at that paper, I kept thinking, "Do these people not care that the President just DIED?!?!" Craziness.

Anyhow, I still love this show. Never had much interest in it, but a friend of mine let me borrow his DVDs of it and I got caught up over the last week or so. Great show!!

[tedder]

Thank you!! Being a former OnStar employee while in college, this drove me nuts. A Jeep...geez!!

Well, it's in some Acura current model cars, and in previous years was in Audi, Subaru, and VW, so it doesn't seem too much of a stretch.

[RoundBoy]

anybody can get onstar added to their car .. it just costs $$ .. GM offers it as an option.

[pcguru83]

Well, it's in some Acura current model cars, and in previous years was in Audi, Subaru, and VW, so it doesn't seem too much of a stretch.

All very true, but the fact still remains that it's not (and probably never will be) offered in Jeep vehicles.

anybody can get onstar added to their car .. it just costs $$ .. GM offers it as an option.

Ummm, sorry buddy, that's completely and utterly false. Do your homework. It is an option on every GM car (and some other non-GM cars as has been pointed out), but you cannot have it added to just any car.

Sorry, it's just that after having worked at OnStar for four years, these misconceptions that are perpetuated by TV and the movies drive me crazy.

</end rant> :)

[gchance]

Did they actually answer as OnStar? When I watched, I just assumed it was the old "OnStar-like service" trick. You know, how you don't drink Coke, you drink Cola, with the Cola logo stylized similar to Coke.

Greg

[Heinrich]

I also wonder how its going to work out for the girl that's giving Tweener a ride. How stupid was she? You could tell every nerve in her body was saying NO, but she agreed to give him a ride anyway. :confused:



Well, Tweener is super-super-super sexy, and some people are just attracted to bad boys - not that I'm talking from personal experience :eek: :D

[getbak]

Did they actually answer as OnStar? When I watched, I just assumed it was the old "OnStar-like service" trick.

I thought she said "On Star", which made me rewind it because (like others) I thought "On Star is a GM product and the steering wheel clearly said 'Jeep'." Upon review, it's possible she said "Auto Star", but it wasn't obvious.

Are there any after-market "On Star" type services available?


Another thing. Seeing as how the President of the United States died the same night the convicts escaped, wouldn't that be more newsworthy of the front page in the newspaper? Everytime I saw someone looking at that paper, I kept thinking, "Do these people not care that the President just DIED?!?!" Craziness.

He must not have been a very popular president, especially when you consider the hatred that exists towards the guy who killed the Vice President's brother. Didn't someone last season tell Lincoln that he committed treason by killing the VP's brother?

Reagan and Nixon both made front-page news when they died, despite being out of office (and the public eye) for many years, but the death of a sitting President doesn't even get in the paper, apparently.

[drew2k]

Why was the FBI guy so interested in that birdbath?He's looking for hybrids.LOL! :up:

[drew2k]

He must not have been a very popular president, especially when you consider the hatred that exists towards the guy who killed the Vice President's brother. Didn't someone last season tell Lincoln that he committed treason by killing the VP's brother?

Reagan and Nixon both made front-page news when they died, despite being out of office (and the public eye) for many years, but the death of a sitting President doesn't even get in the paper, apparently.Maybe the local press thought they had a more important issue to warn and inform their readers about, namely 8 dangerous escaped felons on the loose?

[desulliv]

Did they actually answer as OnStar? When I watched, I just assumed it was the old "OnStar-like service" trick. You know, how you don't drink Coke, you drink Cola, with the Cola logo stylized similar to Coke.

Greg
Closed caption in HD showed "AutoStar" and as getbak noted it sounded like "AutoStar". In any case, wouldn't the service ask for a password for authentication?

[SuperZippy]

Closed caption in HD showed "AutoStar" and as getbak noted it sounded like "AutoStar". In any case, wouldn't the service ask for a password for authentication?

autostar doesn't use the password authentication...