Tivo Series3: Availability 9/17/2006 @ $799 MSRP? [Text View] - Page 4

stevel

09-09-2006, 09:25 AM

A selling point of the Thecus (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822102002) is its quietness. I'm thinking about ordering one.
I have the Thecus N2100 (network storage, not eSATA). Mine is very quiet, but it really depends on the drives you put in it. They'll determine how quiet or not the enclosure is. For mine, I have a pair of WD 500 drives in mine.

The N2100's enclosure is the same as the pointed-to N2050, so I would not expect any differences.

greg_burns

09-09-2006, 09:39 AM

I have the Thecus N2100 (network storage, not eSATA). Mine is very quiet, but it really depends on the drives you put in it. They'll determine how quiet or not the enclosure is. For mine, I have a pair of WD 500 drives in mine.

The N2100's enclosure is the same as the pointed-to N2050, so I would not expect any differences.

You may be right. I might be expecting too much from the noise level standpoint. I just stuck a pen into the fan running in the back of the SataVault. (hey it's not mine ;) ) Did NOT quiet it down signifigantly. I believe there is a pair of WD 250GB in the borrowed unit I have. Definately need to try some other drives before drawing too many more conclusions.

But since the Thecus is only about half the price, will probably get it anyways and then compare the two directly.

It will be interesting too see what solutions people choose for their eSata expansion on the S3.

MichaelK

09-09-2006, 12:01 PM

[way OT]
I've noticed Windows Vista now powers down individual harddrives in my computer that are not being actively used. :cool: Must be a new power saving feature enabled by default. Rather disconcerting.
[/way OT]

I know it does it on XP also and i think it's been that way since like windows 98....

Maybe only more recently is it a default setting I guess...

aaronwt

09-09-2006, 01:05 PM

So if I decide to get two or three of these S3 HDTiVos will I be able to network them together? I'm considering going back to Comcast since they offered me a 12 month deal for the digital tier with HBO and Showtime for $30 a month for 12 months. If I can network the boxes togeher then that would solve my problems and I can sell of most of my DirecTV equipment. I'd still need to keep DirecTV since Comcast doesn't have HDNet around here yet, and maybe to still use my SD TiVos for a few months.

Also would I need to get two cable cards to be able to record off HBO and Showtime simultaneously or does one cablecard work for both tuners?

etsolow

09-09-2006, 01:12 PM

The S3's will have built in ethernet, so they are definitely network-capable. As to what advanced network features will be available (HMO/TTG/etc.) we don't have any solid information yet.

aaronwt

09-09-2006, 01:18 PM

jfh3

09-09-2006, 01:20 PM

The "Release Date" in the Best Buy inventory system means absolutely nothing. Inventory can come in within a matter of days before a release, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Maybe so, but it was this release date field at another Best Buy that was the basis of the 9/17 date, so if 9/08 means nothing, perhaps 9/17 does too. :(

That said, the BB employee (business sales manager) I spoke to agreed with me when I said BB would start selling the box 9/17 and had a few weeks of retail exclusivity. Whether he actually knew that to be true, or was just agreeing because I sounded like I knew what I was talking about remains to be seen.

greg_burns

09-09-2006, 02:40 PM

I know it does it on XP also and i think it's been that way since like windows 98....

Maybe only more recently is it a default setting I guess...

Think you're right. Just caught me off guard.

morac

09-09-2006, 03:52 PM

I wonder if I can use my BB 12% off coupon for the S3? It's good until the end of September. I'll probably have to slowly ease into this since I'll have to keep DirecTV alongside of Comcast initially. Hopefully I can get at least $250 for my HDTiVos then I can sell one to cover some of the cost of the first S3.
Normally the coupons I get from BB say they do apply to TiVo so I would say yes. The coupons also apply to HD-TVs which cost a lot more than TiVo.

The coupons I got were only good for the Labor day weekend. I get them periodically though (most likely the next will be for Thanksgiving). If they do apply to TiVo I'll probably pick one up.

Usually BB also offers no interest financing so you don't have to plop down $800 all at once anyway.

morac

09-09-2006, 03:56 PM

The S3's will have built in ethernet, so they are definitely network-capable. As to what advanced network features will be available (HMO/TTG/etc.) we don't have any solid information yet.
The Teleworld video already mentioned that it supports online scheduling, music, photos and the Yahoo apps so that would indicate that at least HME and HMO are enabled. There was nothing in the video about MRV or TTG though.

The "alien" video seemed to indicate that the S3 would support PC to TiVo video transfer though I wouldn't treat anything in that video as fact. :p

MichaelK

09-09-2006, 06:31 PM

and yes- 2 cards needed to record from 2 encryted channels at the same time...

guildenstern

09-09-2006, 06:38 PM

will the series 3 work with DirecTV? the 'coming soon' notice only mentions digital cable. anybody know?

greg_burns

09-09-2006, 06:40 PM

will the series 3 work with DirecTV? the 'coming soon' notice only mentions digital cable. anybody know?

Not at all. Only analog & digital (via CableCard) cable and OTA.

guildenstern

09-09-2006, 06:44 PM

so, to go high def, you have to say goodbye to either directv or tivo, right?

greg_burns

09-09-2006, 06:48 PM

so, to go high def, you have to say goodbye to either directv or tivo, right?

For S3, yes. There is the old DirecTivo HR10-250. But DirectTV is going away from MPEG-2 towards MPEG-4, making it obsolete eventually. And it is slow (from what I hear).

DirecTV HDTV TiVo Powered PVRs forum
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=36

MichaelK

09-09-2006, 06:54 PM

Normally the coupons I get from BB say they do apply to TiVo so I would say yes. The coupons also apply to HD-TVs which cost a lot more than TiVo.

The coupons I got were only good for the Labor day weekend. I get them periodically though (most likely the next will be for Thanksgiving). If they do apply to TiVo I'll probably pick one up.

Usually BB also offers no interest financing so you don't have to plop down $800 all at once anyway.

where are you guys getting these coupons from- in the mail? Or is there an email newsletter to sign up for or something?

thanks

jfh3

09-09-2006, 07:06 PM

so, to go high def, you have to say goodbye to either directv or tivo, right?

What? No.

You can go high-def with Tivo Series 3 and cable
OR
DirecTV and HR10-250 (Tivo)

George Cifranci

09-09-2006, 11:27 PM

where are you guys getting these coupons from- in the mail? Or is there an email newsletter to sign up for or something?

thanks

Yeah I get Besy Buy coupons in the mail all the time. I am a BB Reward Zone member so they have my address etc...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=category&id=pcmcat44800050004

greg_burns

09-10-2006, 07:44 AM

Yeah I get Besy Buy coupons in the mail all the time. I am a BB Reward Zone member so they have my address etc...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=category&id=pcmcat44800050004

I get them as well, but I'm not a reward zone member. I did sign up for one of those free magazine subscriptions once. Probably how they got my address.

aaronwt

09-10-2006, 09:24 AM

where are you guys getting these coupons from- in the mail? Or is there an email newsletter to sign up for or something?

thanks

Reward zone. But I also got a 12% off coupon for my birthday that is good for the entire month of September. If I can use it for the S3, I will pick one up ASAP so I can try it out.
One question though. I see there is a monthly fee of $12.95 for TiVo. Now if/when I get two or three boxes does that drop to $6.95 for each box or $6.95 total?

nathanziarek

09-10-2006, 09:40 AM

Engadget has a post saying that the S3 _will_ be $800. Isn't this still just speculation (maybe accepted speculation, but speculation none-the-less)

engadget com/2006/09/10/is-the-tivo-series3-worth-800/

I don't have 5 posts yet, so you'll have to add a dot after "engadget"
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lorick

09-10-2006, 10:23 AM

Reward zone. But I also got a 12% off coupon for my birthday that is good for the entire month of September. If I can use it for the S3, I will pick one up ASAP so I can try it out.
One question though. I see there is a monthly fee of $12.95 for TiVo. Now if/when I get two or three boxes does that drop to $6.95 for each box or $6.95 total?

You may want to check the back of the coupon, TiVo products are normally excluded.

greg_burns

09-10-2006, 10:59 AM

You may want to check the back of the coupon, TiVo products are normally excluded.

Don't know about the special the coupon he has, but the Sep 1-4 one I got last says good for TiVo hardware. I guess each one can be different though.

greg_burns

09-10-2006, 11:01 AM

One question though. I see there is a monthly fee of $12.95 for TiVo. Now if/when I get two or three boxes does that drop to $6.95 for each box or $6.95 total?

$6.95 for each additional box. The first stay at $12.95.

bkdtv

09-10-2006, 11:07 AM

You may want to check the back of the coupon, TiVo products are normally excluded.
The recent 10% off coupons from BB haven't excluded Tivos.

TexasAg

09-10-2006, 11:20 AM

You may want to check the back of the coupon, TiVo products are normally excluded.

My recent ones specifically say they apply to Tivos.

aaronwt

09-10-2006, 12:23 PM

I'll have to take a closer look at the coupon when I get home tonight.

aaronwt

09-10-2006, 05:26 PM

Well the coupon does say it can be used with TiVo. So hopefully they will have it available at BB before 9/30 so I can get 12% off plus the reward points.

ehardman

09-10-2006, 07:36 PM

where are you guys getting these coupons from- in the mail? Or is there an email newsletter to sign up for or something?

thanks

I just bought one on eBay.

montivette

09-10-2006, 08:56 PM

morac

09-10-2006, 09:31 PM

Circuit City says the Series 3 will be available in October according to their website. http://circuitcity.shoplocal.com/circuitcitycatalog/Default.aspx?action=search&storeid=2396925&searchtext=tivo+series&go.x=0&go.y=0&go=Go
You might want to clarify that as Circuit City says the S3 will be available from CircuitCity.com in October. If you take what it says at the web site you'd also infer that the S3 will stop selling November 2.

jeffrypennock

09-10-2006, 09:39 PM

You might want to clarify that as Circuit City says the S3 will be available from CircuitCity.com in October. If you take what it says at the web site you'd also infer that the S3 will stop selling November 2.
True, but it also says that the DT will stop selling in November. I think that's either the result of some copy/paste from the DT listing OR the that rebate/whatever deal that will apply when they do start selling the S3 is expected to expire Nov 2. I don't think we should disbelieve that they're planning to sell it Oct because of the Nov 2nd thing.

JDguy

09-11-2006, 10:26 AM

I don't know if this has been shared, but this came in the mail last Friday. (see attached)

ehardman

09-11-2006, 10:30 AM

I don't know if this has been shared, but this came in the mail last Friday. (see attached)

Interesting, but I don't see any dates when available.

TexasAg

09-11-2006, 10:36 AM

I don't know if this has been shared, but this came in the mail last Friday. (see attached)

It at least implies that TTG will work with the S3 right away.

ehardman

09-11-2006, 10:36 AM

Just called the Wichita, KS store and they did not know about the flyer and they did not know when they would be in stock.

ah30k

09-11-2006, 10:47 AM

I love the "Exclusively at ..." part!

I didn't know this would be the ONLY place to get one!

timckelley

09-11-2006, 10:47 AM

There is no earthly way I'm shelling out $800 for this. :)

Bierboy

09-11-2006, 10:55 AM

There is no earthly way I'm shelling out $800 for this. :)Great....that means I can get one of the first ones just a tad earlier :D !

timckelley

09-11-2006, 10:59 AM

Great....that means I can get one of the first ones just a tad earlier :D !

Yes, be my guest and feel free to empty your wallet. :D

Bierboy

09-11-2006, 11:05 AM

Yes, be my guest and feel free to empty your wallet. :DGladly....actually the wallet's already empty....but I've had the cash saved up for the S3 for quite awhile now. Hoping I can also afford to get an internal SATA drive and external enclosure to double the storage :up: .

tunnelengineer

09-11-2006, 11:20 AM

That ad made me laugh. Especially the "Exclusively available" part. Wait a week and see what happens.

jfh3

09-11-2006, 11:58 AM

I don't know if this has been shared, but this came in the mail last Friday. (see attached)

Thanks. Interesting that their text says up to 35 hours HD, when the Tivo showcase says 25 hours.

I realize that it will vary, based on quality of the source, but you think the base PR would pick one number and stick with it, assuming Ultimate didn't write the copy on their own.

bdraw

09-11-2006, 12:25 PM

Yes, be my guest and feel free to empty your wallet. :D

Lucky for some of us it takes more than an $800 purchase to empty our wallet.

jauburn

09-11-2006, 12:27 PM

There is no earthly way I'm shelling out $800 for this. :)

I agree. Ridiculous.

tunnelengineer

09-11-2006, 12:28 PM

I think $599 is much easier to swallow for msot people.

Bierboy

09-11-2006, 12:50 PM

I don't know if this has been shared, but this came in the mail last Friday. (see attached)
Interesting that, when you do a search for TiVo on the Ultimate Electronics Web site, the listings for single tuner TiVos all say "Limited Quantities -- Call Store for Details". Any speculation this might mean TiVo is clearing out the older S2s?

zalusky

09-11-2006, 01:20 PM

I think $599 is much easier to swallow for msot people.

I think back to the days of $1000 for the HR10-250. Lots of people bought.

jeffrypennock

09-11-2006, 01:42 PM

jfh3

09-11-2006, 01:46 PM

Interesting that, when you do a search for TiVo on the Ultimate Electronics Web site, the listings for single tuner TiVos all say "Limited Quantities -- Call Store for Details". Any speculation this might mean TiVo is clearing out the older S2s?

Given that they won't be able to sell them after next spring, I doubt Tivo is manufacturing them any more and that once current stock is gone, that's it.

The DT is the new entry level Tivo.

Bierboy

09-11-2006, 01:53 PM

Soooo, DID you call the store for details?Nope, we had an UE store in Davenport until just recently. It closed.

MediaLivingRoom

09-11-2006, 02:01 PM

I don't know if this has been shared, but this came in the mail last Friday. (see attached)

The ad says DVR, but TiVo calls it DMR.

The ad talks about TiVoToGo but there should be a disclaimer about HD content. Are you sure this is real??

megazone

09-11-2006, 02:11 PM

Looks like they whipped up their own ad copy.

musicforme

09-11-2006, 02:19 PM

Yes, be my guest and feel free to empty your wallet. :D

You're just mad that UT lost to Ohio State. :)

timckelley

09-11-2006, 02:40 PM

Hook 'em!

zachcarter

09-11-2006, 02:46 PM

according to hdbeat, Best Buy takes a pre-order:

"Best Buy is taking pre-orders for the Series 3: Pick up date 9/17/06"

I can't post the url yet, but you guys can probably find "hdbeat"

Bierboy

09-11-2006, 02:46 PM

according to hdbeat, Best Buy takes a pre-order:

"Best Buy is taking pre-orders for the Series 3: Pick up date 9/17/06"

I can't post the url yet, but you guys can probably find "hdbeat"There's another thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=315658) about this already.

ehardman

09-11-2006, 04:50 PM

This whole Ultimate Electroncis thing is starting to smell like a hoax.

greenstork

09-11-2006, 05:15 PM

Can someone confirm, is an external eSATA expansion option expected? Cost?

etsolow

09-11-2006, 05:19 PM

Yes, although perhaps not at initial launch.

Cost of the official TiVo version has not been announced, but it is expected that you'll be able to pick up any eSATA enclosure and plop any SATA drive in it for current market prices.

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bidger

09-11-2006, 05:35 PM

I think back to the days of $1000 for the HR10-250. Lots of people bought.
It was the only HD DVR available for that provider at a time when HD through D* was popular, before the down-rezzing. Plus, it was for a market that was willing to pay for their satellite equipment.

Cable, on the other hand, is for people that prefer to lease their equipment, if they even choose to subscribe to the digital package(s). There will be loyalists and early adopters who will spring, but you've also got Comcast and Cox customers, maybe other cable cos. eventually, who will choose to wait for their integrated units and lease to avoid a large upfront cost to have equipment the cable co. will replace.

JohnBrowning

09-11-2006, 05:45 PM

I think $599 is much easier to swallow for msot people.

and $1 is even easier!

So, what's the point? I'm sure TiVo has run the business case for the product and knows their costs and desired margin. Costs will go down over time and so will the price. TiVo will determine an MSRP, sell it to retailers at some wholesale price, and retailers will sell it at whatever price they deem appropriate. THEN you and I get to decide whether that price works for each of us. Arguing about the price on a web site is simply a waste of bits!!

timckelley

09-11-2006, 06:03 PM

But we like to argue, for entertainment value. :)

jacksonian

09-11-2006, 09:34 PM

Didn't all of you guys do an online marketing survey for TiVo a couple of years ago. It was all about a HD TiVo, how much would you pay for x features, what if it was a lease with no cost up front, what if it was x upfront and x per month, etc...

I know I did one. I think I told them $800 sounded great :)

Seriously, I did one of these.

tunnelengineer

09-11-2006, 09:35 PM

and $1 is even easier!

So, what's the point? I'm sure TiVo has run the business case for the product and knows their costs and desired margin. Costs will go down over time and so will the price. TiVo will determine an MSRP, sell it to retailers at some wholesale price, and retailers will sell it at whatever price they deem appropriate. THEN you and I get to decide whether that price works for each of us. Arguing about the price on a web site is simply a waste of bits!!

and posting that wasn't a waste on your behalf??

look back through this thread, i know you have to wade through a lot of random crap, but the original topic discussed a date and price. i was cmmenting on the price. i apologize to the whole community for posting about the topic. I guess I will stick to random useless crap from now on....... :confused:

aaronwt

09-11-2006, 10:04 PM

cheer

09-11-2006, 10:18 PM

So, what's the point? I'm sure TiVo has run the business case for the product and knows their costs and desired margin.
Really? Businesses mess this up all the time. And Tivo's history...well, they haven't exactly been a vat of profitability.

Personally I think the price is a mistake, but time (and the market) will tell.

JPRosiak

09-11-2006, 10:58 PM

So I found one site that claimed series 3 would record satellite as well as cable. Everything I have heard made it appear as though the series 3 is only going to support cable cards and OTA.
I wouldn't mind paying $800 for the series 3 if it didn't limit me to cable and OTA.

Do you think it is possible for series 3 to be able to use a satellite card with some type of MOD?

jeffrypennock

09-11-2006, 11:00 PM

Do you think it is possible for series 3 to be able to use a satellite card with some type of MOD?
Nope.

Leo_N

09-11-2006, 11:03 PM

jeffrypennock

09-11-2006, 11:13 PM

There is about zero chance of that. The only reason they are able to do it with cable is the FCC is making the cable companies support an open standard via cablecard. They do not do this with satellite TV, although one might wonder why, seeing as satellite and cable are on pretty equal footing these days, if that is not a future FCC mandate.

But until that day, don't count on Tivo with satellite unless one of the satellite companies teams up again with Tivo as Directv originally did.
Besides, how could you? I thought HDMI passthrough was against the rules. How else is the TiVo going to record an HD signal unless it decodes it self (using the cableCARD)?

Off topic side note (which I'm comfortable doing since even if I'm wrong about the pass through, S3 STILL doesn't support satellite, it's an OTA/CC device, and because we all pretty much know what's gonna happen - TiVo.com tomorrow, BB on Sunday, pre-orders underway at some BBs): if the rules do prohibit HDMI pass through as part of the HDCP encryption protocols, how do those amps that have HDMI switches get away with it? I understand how they're definitely not violating the intent of the rules (prevention of copyright infringement by prevention of data capture) but how do they do it without introducing technology into the market that DOES break the spirit of the rules (thus allowing you to save your HD-DVD movies and "file share" them)?

Leo_N

09-11-2006, 11:20 PM

Besides, how could you? I thought HDMI passthrough was against the rules. How else is the TiVo going to record an HD signal unless it decodes it self (using the cableCARD)?

Off topic side note (which I'm comfortable doing since even if I'm wrong about the pass through, S3 STILL doesn't support satellite, it's an OTA/CC device, and because we all pretty much know what's gonna happen - TiVo.com tomorrow, BB on Sunday, pre-orders underway at some BBs): if the rules do prohibit HDMI pass through as part of the HDCP encryption protocols, how do those amps that have HDMI switches get away with it? I understand how they're definitely not violating the intent of the rules (prevention of copyright infringement by prevention of data capture) but how do they do it without introducing technology into the market that DOES break the spirit of the rules (thus allowing you to save your HD-DVD movies and "file share" them)?

I agree with you, the S3 will never do it. I was saying the only way a new(newer than S3) Tivo will ever do it again is if the FCC mandates some type of open standard ala cablecard, or if Tivo, Inc. again pairs up with a satellite company. Don't see that happening though, all these companies would rather make the money themselves rather than let Tivo make it. Not that I can say I blame them, they are here to make money. I'd just rather not give them any more of mine than necessary.

cwoody222

09-12-2006, 07:49 AM

Full review - with video!

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/feature/tivo-series3-hd-digital-media-recorder-handson-with-video-two-cablecards-no-waitin-199936.php

cwoody222

09-12-2006, 07:51 AM

Note:

Another feature that was sorely missed is TiVo2Go, where you can rip programs from the TiVo onto a computer, a mobile device or an iPod. There's no sign of that on this latest TiVo yet, and TiVo officials say they are investigating this and working on getting it certified, but couldn't say when that would happen.

montivette

09-12-2006, 10:33 AM

Taken from the Series 3 FAQ page regarding this topic:

Will the TiVoToGo™ feature and Multi-Room Viewing be available on the Series3 HD?
As always, TiVo's goal is to make all of the Emmy® award-winning TiVo service features available on all of our hardware platforms. Because TiVo worked directly with Cable Television Laboratories Inc. (CableLabs®) to enable the recording of digital standard definition and high definition channels with the TiVo Series3 HD box, this product has unique requirements, including what content can be taken off of the DVR and in what form. TiVo is working with CableLabs and our own engineering team to enable both Multi-Room Viewing and TiVoToGo functionality in a future release.

http://www.tivo.com/2.0.3hdDvr.faq.asp

Of course "future release" could mean future releases of new versions of the S3 box, or could it mean future release of software updates? Mmmm.

btwyx

09-12-2006, 10:41 AM

http://www.tivo.com/vip is now active, so I ordered one. It is $799. The transfers only apply to ones bought from TiVo.

timckelley

09-12-2006, 11:05 AM

The transfers only apply to ones bought from TiVo.

I bet that'll disappoint some people.

cwoody222

09-12-2006, 11:23 AM

"And while we were pleasantly surprised that the Series3 allows you to scan and tune unencrypted QAM programming, we were disappointed in the inability to manually map those channels to their respective networks."

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/12/hands-on-with-the-tivo-series3/

:(

Troy J B

09-12-2006, 01:00 PM

http://www.tivo.com/vip is now active, so I ordered one. It is $799. The transfers only apply to ones bought from TiVo.

Hmm, my reading of that vip page is any series3 without service would be eligible for the transfer. Eg bundles are not eligible for the transfer, but series3 bought at retail would be.

Ooops, now I see note 1 about no retail... but I honestly do not think they will be tracking TSN's that they sell vs a retail might sell to determine eligibility.

Bai Shen

09-12-2006, 01:02 PM

Hmm, my reading of that vip page is any series3 without service would be eligible for the transfer. Eg bundles are not eligible for the transfer, but series3 bought at retail would be.

Now I need to call comcast for a early next week installation of cablecards and to pick up their 6412....
Troy

The small print in at the bottom says only S3's bought through tivo.com are eligable.