Eureka - "Alienated" - 08/08/06 *spoilers*

[katbug]

I thought I'd start this thread out with a great big THANK YOU to Henry, who needs to visit other crime-solving shows (CSI, etc.) and show them how to turn on a light in an investigation! This has always been a pet peeve when watching these shows and it takes a genius like Henry to figure it out! So...

THANK YOU HENRY!!! :up:

[dtle]

A good episode...we finally get some "myth-arc" to the show. An alien artifact? Unlimited sources of power, maybe?

[katbug]

Also, did they ever explain the crop circle to us? Maybe we were just seeing it as the paranoids were seeing it and it was really the shape that the helicopter would have made. Or maybe....*cue dramatic music*
(I still think that the paranoids were just seeing what was actually true, even if they were a little paranoid about it).

[balboa dave]

I think this show requires a little more attention than you guys are paying. They specifically said the artifact was earthly in origin, and they showed the log used to make the "crop circle," and the bloody hands on the guy who made it.

[Rob Helmerichs]

As for the Coming Next Week blurb, I am EXTREMELY disappointed. I long ago decided that no show can call itself true science fiction if it subscribes to the stupid, long-discredited urban legend that we only use 10% of our brains. Sadly, it seems that Eureka can no longer be considered true science fiction. :p

[Graymalkin]

Gosh! Say it ain't so! Eureka not founded in real science?! :eek:

[Rob Helmerichs]

Gosh! Say it ain't so! Eureka not founded in real science?! :eek:
I know. It's really disappointing. The first couple of episodes were so totally grounded in hard-core, cutting edge science, that this revelation is a major blow.

[Warren]

Gosh! Say it ain't so! Eureka not founded in real science?! :eek:


I never understood how some people could not like sci-fi if it isn't based on real science.

[Sirius Black]

I never understood how some people could not like sci-fi if it isn't based on real science.

I think it comes from watching excellent pure science-fiction like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica (the new one), and to a lesser extent Firefly. Other Sci-fi is just pulp sci-fi (Star Trek, X-Files, Stargate) or more science fantasy (Star Wars). Each have their own strong points but when a show that purports itself to be as Eureka is does something like this, it is hard to swallow.

[classicX]

I think it comes from watching excellent pure science-fiction like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica (the new one), and to a lesser extent Firefly. Other Sci-fi is just pulp sci-fi (Star Trek, X-Files, Stargate) or more science fantasy (Star Wars). Each have their own strong points but when a show that purports itself to be as Eureka is does something like this, it is hard to swallow.

The three shows mentioned are good shows because they focus on the story, not on the science. It has nothing to do with the science being "believable."

Even in our society, an alien race introduced to us that is sufficiently advanced will seem to many as if they can do things that are impossible. Because you don't believe it could happen, does that mean it's not "science"?

Even Einstein was wrong once in a while. :p

[mrpantstm]

Also, did they ever explain the crop circle to us? Maybe we were just seeing it as the paranoids were seeing it and it was really the shape that the helicopter would have made. Or maybe....*cue dramatic music*
(I still think that the paranoids were just seeing what was actually true, even if they were a little paranoid about it).

IIRC, Spencer had used the log that Henry was holding when Jack woke up from being hit, to make the circles. I think they also said Spencer's knees were all cut up from crawling around making the circle.

And to me that seems like a loose end. If they were effected by the paranoia beam (or whatever it was) why would Spencer go to the trouble of building the lie? Did he think when he saw the Senator's helicopter 'The aliens are coming! I must make crop circles!'.

Dunno, while I was amused by this episode it wasn't that great. I liked that we got into Section 5 and that's moved along. What did the Senator call it, the consortium? Was the Senator's only task to confirm the artifact was there?

I thought with the attempted autoposy it might make the Senator give up that he was working for the consortium. Oh well.

[MassD]

science-fiction.

Name one sci-fi show that doesn't appeal to some suspension of reality. That's what makes it fiction. That's the point... it lets the writer roam free.. tweak the rules..

We balk at the "10%" cliche, but it's OK to use a time contiuum cliche? Or a machine that spreads out a blue oozy plasma-web of stuff that deletes memories?

[katbug]

Aha! I missed the conversation about that log and had completely forgotten about it (that short-term memory eraser must have gone beyond my tv). Good point though...why would Spencer build the crop circle if he was paranoid to believe that it all existed? Also wonder why he was found sitting in the middle of it freaked out as if he'd just come back from being abducted? Paranoia is one thing, but it seems that they built a huge lie to make everyone else paranoid too...oh well, I'll quit thinking beyond what they show and just try to go with it. (It's just hard to do 'cuz you keep waiting for loose ends to come back and tie together in future episodes like they actually meant something, lol)

[Rob Helmerichs]

The three shows mentioned are good shows because they focus on the story, not on the science. It has nothing to do with the science being "believable."
And in fact, the science in BG is downright terrible (Firefly and B5 are much better). It's increasingly obvious the writers are just making stuff up as they go along for story purposes, without thinking very much about how it all fits together scientifically.

[PJO1966]

Did anyone else notice the exterior of the Bed & Breakfast? It was the same exterior they used for Johnnie Smith's house on Dead Zone. Welcome to Planet Vancouver.

[myriadian]

Did anyone else notice the exterior of the Bed & Breakfast? It was the same exterior they used for Johnnie Smith's house on Dead Zone. Welcome to Planet Vancouver.

i can think of crappier planets.....

M.

[Church AV Guy]

Yeah, yeah, but on the plus side, I REALLY want that television and sound system.

Nice space suit. Does that actor play a "bad guy" in every role he has? He was a bad guy on Seven Days, on Stargate, and now on Eureka. That's all I remember of him is that he plays powerful bad guys.

Note to Matt Frewer, either improve or DROP the accent. Oh, and another thing, if you shoot a guy who is only ten feet away, a huge scope on the gun is probably unnecessary.

[marrone]

Note to Matt Frewer, either improve or DROP the accent.
We should all write into scifi and make that suggestion.

-Mike

[marrone]

One question I have (which might be answered next week, I dunno)...the senator could only stay with the artifact for 15 secs or so due to radiation (despite that rad suit). Did the artifact emit that radiation, or was that just a defense mechanism? If the former, how would they have gotten the artifact there in the first place? They really had nothing to say about the artifact (or if they did, I missed it).

-Mike

[katbug]

Does that actor play a "bad guy" in every role he has? He was a bad guy on Seven Days, on Stargate, and now on Eureka. That's all I remember of him is that he plays powerful bad guys.


I've been trying to figure out where else I've seen that actor before. Wasn't on the shows mentioned, so am really curious now. At first I thought maybe I was thinking of a mix of Brent Spiner (Data) and Bill Bixby? (David Baxter on Hulk), but now I'm thinking that he's been on something familiar. Any other ideas? Ohhh...all right, I'll go to the show site and try to figure out who the actor was and look him up on IMDb and get back to you.

[katbug]

Ok, after much digging I found that the actor was Garwin Sanford.
I probably recognize him from 4400, Tru Calling, Sliders, 21 Jumpstreet or any number of the shows he's been in.

If anyone else is curious, here's his IMDb page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0762560/

[mrpantstm]

One question I have (which might be answered next week, I dunno)...the senator could only stay with the artifact for 15 secs or so due to radiation (despite that rad suit). Did the artifact emit that radiation, or was that just a defense mechanism? If the former, how would they have gotten the artifact there in the first place? They really had nothing to say about the artifact (or if they did, I missed it).

-Mike

They really didn't explain the artifact. I'm sure they have containment options for trasporting it but to actually view it and be in close proximity is probably a bad thing. I'm sure a few field agents probably got radiation sickness from transporting it but that's a minor detail to the show.

To me it seemed like they had minor security around the room. Two guards, one with a machine gun? The Gate room has more but than there's more people going through there. Dunno.

[MasterCephus]

Does that actor play a "bad guy" in every role he has? He was a bad guy on Seven Days, on Stargate, and now on Eureka. That's all I remember of him is that he plays powerful bad guys.

Actually he played a good guy on both Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. In SG1, he played Narim who was Tollan. It is believed that the planet was destroyed. He also played Dr. Weir's boyfriend/fiance before they left for Atlantis. He appeared again in the 1st season, but that's it.

[jehma]

Actually he played a good guy on both Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. In SG1, he played Narim who was Tollan. It is believed that the planet was destroyed. He also played Dr. Weir's boyfriend/fiance before they left for Atlantis. He appeared again in the 1st season, but that's it.

Ah, thanks, that must be where I remember him from.

[Rob Helmerichs]

To me it seemed like they had minor security around the room. Two guards, one with a machine gun? The Gate room has more but than there's more people going through there. Dunno.
The interesting thing to me about the (very large!) machine gun is that it was aimed inwards, towards the artifact, and not outward towards anybody who might be trying to break in...

[nlsinger]

What I found interesting was the concept of paranoia as a weapon. They quite delightfully showed how this could backfire without rubbing noses in it.

Plus it was cute that a video of SEAL's hitting a beach was a soothing image for the deputy.

[hyimted]

so-so episode ... prolly the weakest so far. but i'm still diggin' it.

only problem is the slightly sexy stuff that goes on (that b&b chick is a ho :) ) worries me since my boys like watching this show too. :D

[myriadian]

so-so episode ... prolly the weakest so far. but i'm still diggin' it.

only problem is the slightly sexy stuff that goes on (that b&b chick is a ho :) ) worries me since my boys like watching this show too. :D

just don't buy into the con when they come to you and suggest they are having problems and need a therapist ;)

M.

[mrpantstm]

The interesting thing to me about the (very large!) machine gun is that it was aimed inwards, towards the artifact, and not outward towards anybody who might be trying to break in...

it was? Huh, have to go back and check that out. If so, one than wonders if the artifact is sentient.

[myriadian]

the artifact looked like a sun to me with the 'energy waves' streaming out of it. did someone build a sun and not let anybody know? tsk.

M.

[Church AV Guy]

Actually he played a good guy on both Stargate SG1 and Atlantis. In SG1, he played Narim who was Tollan. It is believed that the planet was destroyed. He also played Dr. Weir's boyfriend/fiance before they left for Atlantis. He appeared again in the 1st season, but that's it.
Egad! You're right. He WAS a good guy on SG-1. There was another role he had where he was a very powerful guy, but evil. Now that is going to bother me for a long time until I figure it out, OR I just look it up in the IMDB. He was not just a Tollen, he was THE Tollen who kind of liked the humans. Sam gave him a cat. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Idearat]

I'm surprised no one recognized the "artifact". We got a better view this time than when it was in the movie. Previously, all we could see was the glow when the briefcase was opened.

[LordFett]

I'm surprised no one recognized the "artifact". We got a better view this time than when it was in the movie. Previously, all we could see was the glow when the briefcase was opened.
Which movie, Pulp Fiction?

[ParadiseDave]

I just got back from a short family trip. Instead of Eureka, I fast-forwarded through some show full of Mexican wrestlers. :mad: 57 minutes into the "show", Eureka starts and I get to see 3 minutes of it. The late-night replay has already passed, so I can't watch this episode. WTF happened? :( I know that the Sci-Fi Channel didn't have a sports event run long. ;)

[sushikitten]

Did anyone else notice the exterior of the Bed & Breakfast? It was the same exterior they used for Johnnie Smith's house on Dead Zone. Welcome to Planet Vancouver.

I'm losing my mind now (that, or I have very bad short term memory)... but I was going to say ... wasn't it also the "butterfly house" from the 4400 episode when Maia disappears?

But after thinking about it, I don't think it was the Bed & Breakfast, but some other house, although I can't for the life of me remember what other houses they showed. Regardless, hubby and I both said the same thing.

Also, what happened in the last few minutes? Our recording cut off. :mad: And, due to my horrible short term memory, I can't recall the exact thing we saw last. I know we saw the sheriff walking out with everyone (loved him saying they were "bang nuts" or whatever he said) and it gets fuzzy after that.

[Langree]

as son as hey showed the monkeys and explained te exeriment I knew what had happened and had solved the "mystery" at that point and was pretty bored after that.

[Ladd Morse]

I just got back from a short family trip. Instead of Eureka, I fast-forwarded through some show full of Mexican wrestlers. :mad: 57 minutes into the "show", Eureka starts and I get to see 3 minutes of it. The late-night replay has already passed, so I can't watch this episode. WTF happened? :( I know that the Sci-Fi Channel didn't have a sports event run long. ;)This happened to me also, here in Maryland via Adelphia cable, although the offending program was "Who wants to be a Superhero". I quickly checked here and was surprised to find no mention of the issue, so must have not been a nationwide glitch. And no more repeats during the week. Mighty annoying ...

[Langree]

I just got back from a short family trip. Instead of Eureka, I fast-forwarded through some show full of Mexican wrestlers. :mad: 57 minutes into the "show", Eureka starts and I get to see 3 minutes of it. The late-night replay has already passed, so I can't watch this episode. WTF happened? :( I know that the Sci-Fi Channel didn't have a sports event run long. ;)


That was the episode, it wasn't called Alienated for nothing. :p

[classicX]

They really didn't explain the artifact. I'm sure they have containment options for trasporting it but to actually view it and be in close proximity is probably a bad thing. I'm sure a few field agents probably got radiation sickness from transporting it but that's a minor detail to the show.

To me it seemed like they had minor security around the room. Two guards, one with a machine gun? The Gate room has more but than there's more people going through there. Dunno.

They said that they verified that in was of terrestrial origin. So if they dug it out of the ground, I can think of 2 scenarios (and 2 sub-scenarios):

1: They tracked it by the radiation, and were prepared going in to retrieve it.
2: The artifact was stumbled upon by some archaeological dig, everyone died. GOTO 1
3: The artifact was benign when dicovered, but when they got it back to Eureka, they somehow "activated" it.
4: The artifact was "aseembled" from different pieces discovered seperately. GOTO 3

I'm very interested to see if / when they find out who made this thing - it looked like a ball with pieces that fit together - perhaps a nigh infinite power source?

As far as the crop circles, remember, Spencer went and started to watch the movie again after everyone had left, then got blinded by the helicopter lights. Perhaps his paranoia was more advanced than the rest, and his subconcious made him create the circles and then "forget" that he'd done it.

Anyway, gotta listen to the president, he's on TV talking about the London arrests right now!

[Bai Shen]

Did anyone else get a recording of Who wants to be a superhero instead?

[busyba]

it looked like a ball with pieces that fit together
To me it looked like the center of one of those plasma lightning ball thingys they sell at Spencer's Gifts....

http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/images/product/plabal/plabal_lg.jpg

[marrone]

Budget cuts :)

-Mike

[dcheesi]

So is the artifact all of "Section 5"? In the pilot, it seemed clear that Section 5 was the section of the lab responsible for secret military applications. For one thing, the mad scientist (of the week) supposedly stole a circuitboard from Section 5. But now we're seeing some of those sorts of things (mind warfare, personal shields) in the regular lab. And this week they were talking like Section 5 == Artifact. I would assume that if there were anything else in S.5 they would have tried to appease the senator with that first, instead of going straight to the super-duper-secret artifact...

[5thcrewman]

I had hoped that the paranoia was an anti-piracy device from Hollyweird!

[ParadiseDave]

1. Who else that got the wrong show uses DirecTV? (I do)

2. Did anyone with DirecTV get the correct show?

Trying to isolate the problem. Does anyone still have the episode AND a DVD recorder? ;)

[Ladd Morse]

Did anyone else get a recording of Who wants to be a superhero instead?
That's what I got also via Adelphia cable in Maryland, with the last couple of minutes of the recording being the first few minutes of Eureka.

[katbug]

I have DirecTV and got the right show.

(and have a dvd recorder, but unfortunately already deleted the show. Sorry! :( )

[ryoung07]

1. Who else that got the wrong show uses DirecTV? (I do)

2. Did anyone with DirecTV get the correct show?

Trying to isolate the problem. Does anyone still have the episode AND a DVD recorder? ;)

DirecTV user here...I got the show at the correct time. It recorded just fine on my Tivo.

[katbug]

FYI: My DirecTV DVR (Tivo) shows this episode playing again today at 4pm. I'm in AZ though and our schedules are off from everyone else's, but check your season pass for upcoming episodes and maybe you can still catch it today.

[jeetkunedo]

This happened to me also, here in Maryland via Adelphia cable, although the offending program was "Who wants to be a Superhero". I quickly checked here and was surprised to find no mention of the issue, so must have not been a nationwide glitch. And no more repeats during the week. Mighty annoying ...
The same thing happened to me. Since I don't see any more repeats coming up, I searched BT, but still couldn't find it. :( Oh well.

P.S. -- I have Comcast digital.

[cheesesteak]

She's cute and all that, but I think I'd have shot Jo by now if I were the Sheriff.

[Bai Shen]

FYI: My DirecTV DVR (Tivo) shows this episode playing again today at 4pm. I'm in AZ though and our schedules are off from everyone else's, but check your season pass for upcoming episodes and maybe you can still catch it today.

I did that when I first noticed it was the wrong recording. There are no more repeats.

[Church AV Guy]

1. Who else that got the wrong show uses DirecTV? (I do)

2. Did anyone with DirecTV get the correct show?

Trying to isolate the problem. Does anyone still have the episode AND a DVD recorder? ;)
I have DirecTV and I got the show correctly. I also have a DVD recorder, and I'm very sure I still have the program. :up:

[jimborst]

I have a DishNetwork DVR and no problems with this show, but for some reason during the summer repeats I've been getting the George Lopez show instead of Lost. I don't care since I've seen them and I was just going to delete them anyway, but I hope it gets worked out before the new season.

[Jonathan_S]

DirecTiVo and I got the show correctly.

[kimsan]

1. Who else that got the wrong show uses DirecTV? (I do)

2. Did anyone with DirecTV get the correct show?

Trying to isolate the problem. Does anyone still have the episode AND a DVD recorder? ;)

Yes and Yes. I'm pulling from the primary HD-DTiVo as we speak. Takes about five minutes to get into the 'puter and maybe 10 to clear commercials and master a DVD.

PM an address and I can make tomorrow's mail.

Ditto for others who missed it.

[ParadiseDave]

Yes and Yes. I'm pulling from the primary HD-DTiVo as we speak. Takes about five minutes to get into the 'puter and maybe 10 to clear commercials and master a DVD.

PM an address and I can make tomorrow's mail.

Ditto for others who missed it.

Kimsan, You rock! Also, thanks for the offer Church AV Guy! I still wonder what caused some of us to get the wrong show.

Next theory: Was it because we still have Series 1 standalone boxes?

[drew2k]

As for the Coming Next Week blurb, I am EXTREMELY disappointed. I long ago decided that no show can call itself true science fiction if it subscribes to the stupid, long-discredited urban legend that we only use 10% of our brains. Sadly, it seems that Eureka can no longer be considered true science fiction. :pMaybe you won't be disappointed after all? What I saw in the preview was ... incredulity that one of the scientists was using "100% of his brain". I don't recall anyone mentioning anything about 10% normal usage.So maybe there's hope that they don't subscribe to the urban legend you speak of?

[drew2k]

as son as hey showed the monkeys and explained te exeriment I knew what had happened and had solved the "mystery" at that point and was pretty bored after that.I could have sworn when they were trying to demo the weapon to the congressman that it was described as inducing paranoia in the targets, so they "turn on each other". If that's what was supposed to happen, why didn't it happen to Spencer, Fargo, Vince (? - the chef), and Jo? Instead, these guys banded together with almost single-minded determination and a common goal. Doesn't sound like a weapon you really want to use on your enemies, does it?

[pkscout]

I could have sworn when they were trying to demo the weapon to the congressman that it was described as inducing paranoia in the targets, so they "turn on each other". If that's what was supposed to happen, why didn't it happen to Spencer, Fargo, Vince (? - the chef), and Jo? Instead, these guys banded together with almost single-minded determination and a common goal. Doesn't sound like a weapon you really want to use on your enemies, does it?

Maybe the paranoia signal, when mixed with the movie, changed so that they developed a group paranoia based on the premise of the film. Or maybe not. It's one possible explanation. ;)

[7thton]

The interesting thing to me about the (very large!) machine gun is that it was aimed inwards, towards the artifact, and not outward towards anybody who might be trying to break in...
Are we talking about the gun at the entrance to the artifact? I could almost swear it was pointing away from the artifact...

[Bai Shen]

Kimsan, You rock! Also, thanks for the offer Church AV Guy! I still wonder what caused some of us to get the wrong show.

Next theory: Was it because we still have Series 1 standalone boxes?

Nope. Mine's a DVDTivo.

[Bierboy]

so-so episode ... prolly the weakest so far. but i'm still diggin' it...Agreed....weakest yet, but the SP stands. Still enjoyable.

[kimsan]

Nope. Mine's a DVDTivo.

Since you're not tied to a specific service, you're SA+DVD and dependent on mothership calls for program info.

Semantics? I think not.

D and HD-TiVos get program info via the program stream.

[ironchef]

Which movie, Pulp Fiction?

Repo Man?

[Idearat]

Repo Man?

I was thinking Pulp Fiction and the item they retrieved in the briefcase.

Didn't Repo Man have something glowing in the trunk of a car?

[dcheesi]

Next theory: Was it because we still have Series 1 standalone boxes?Bzzt! Sony SVR-2000 here, and I got it fine. Most likely it has to do with specific channel lineups and/or timing of the daily call...

[Fl_Gulfer]

As for the Coming Next Week blurb, I am EXTREMELY disappointed. I long ago decided that no show can call itself true science fiction if it subscribes to the stupid, long-discredited urban legend that we only use 10% of our brains. Sadly, it seems that Eureka can no longer be considered true science fiction. :p
Thats because 90% of the people that watch TV use 5% of there brain... :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

Thats because 90% of the people that watch TV use 5% of there brain... :D
...and apparently not the 5% that contains the proper spelling of "their" or how to use an apostrophe... :D

[Hunter Green]

I could have sworn when they were trying to demo the weapon to the congressman that it was described as inducing paranoia in the targets, so they "turn on each other". If that's what was supposed to happen, why didn't it happen to Spencer, Fargo, Vince (? - the chef), and Jo? Instead, these guys banded together with almost single-minded determination and a common goal. Doesn't sound like a weapon you really want to use on your enemies, does it?

Plus, it also turns out that the entire effect can be overcome by one unarmed sheriff sweet-talking and saying a few trite clichés. What a wonderful demonstration for the congressman of how this device will revolutionize war! I'm sure he'll approve their budget.

[Tangent]

... Oh, and another thing, if you shoot a guy who is only ten feet away, a huge scope on the gun is probably unnecessary.

But how will you be sure that you hit exactly the right skin cell if you don't use that scope at that range? :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

But how will you be sure that you hit exactly the right skin cell if you don't use that scope at that range? :D
When he woke up that morning, did he know the guy he was going to shoot at would only be ten feet away?

[SteveInNC]

When he woke up that morning, did he know the guy he was going to shoot at would only be ten feet away?
Yeah, but shooting a heavy-gauge needle into someone's brainstem from about ten feet seems a little overboard. You'll certainly drop them, but will they get up again? :)

[Anubys]

Maybe the paranoia signal, when mixed with the movie, changed so that they developed a group paranoia based on the premise of the film. Or maybe not. It's one possible explanation. ;)

it's clear, then, that the counter-measure to this weapon is to show your troops movies about your enemies coming to kill you...you will then have a dedicated army bent on destroying your enemies!

[bonscott87]

Good episode, really like this show.

DirecTV here and it recorded fine. If you missed it and can't get a copy you can snag it via Bit Torrent.

[catcard]

My standalone w/Directv also recorded the stupid Superhero show but I was able to get the repeat from Friday.

[DevdogAZ]

I was thinking Pulp Fiction and the item they retrieved in the briefcase.

Didn't Repo Man have something glowing in the trunk of a car?
Isn't the movie being referenced the one they were watching at the beginning of the episode? Was the "artifact" also in the movie, leading to an assumption that the movie may not have been just a movie, and the artifact isn't actually terrestrial?

[Bai Shen]

The interesting thing to me about the (very large!) machine gun is that it was aimed inwards, towards the artifact, and not outward towards anybody who might be trying to break in...

Are you sure? I thought it was aimed outwards.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Are you sure? I thought it was aimed outwards.
When they showed it last week, it was. But I was looking at it closely because of this discussion, and it's on a swivel mount in the middle of the room, so it could easily be aimed either way. I suspect they aim it wherever the action might be coming from.

[Bai Shen]

When they showed it last week, it was. But I was looking at it closely because of this discussion, and it's on a swivel mount in the middle of the room, so it could easily be aimed either way. I suspect they aim it wherever the action might be coming from.

-nods- I saw that. I was jus' commenting that it seems like the guard was aiming it outwards atm.

[Rob Helmerichs]

-nods- I saw that. I was jus' commenting that it seems like the guard was aiming it outwards atm.
My copy of the show is long gone, but my memory is of the gun aimed at the inward door at some point during the episode...I remember it, because at the time I thought, "They must really want to keep something in there."

[Anubys]

My copy of the show is long gone, but my memory is of the gun aimed at the inward door at some point during the episode...I remember it, because at the time I thought, "They must really want to keep something in there."

given that you're a grandfather, maybe your memory isn't what it used to be, eh?

:p :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

given that you're a grandfather, maybe your memory isn't what it used to be, eh?

:p :D
That Anubys is a...

Oh, wait, the forum filter won't let me use that word.

:D

[balboa dave]

Talk about running a joke into the ground. Who cares where the gun is pointed? It's a BFG!