Entourage: "Vegas, Baby, Vegas!" OAD week of 8/6/06 *spoilers*

[terpfan1980]

Drama certainly was setting off the gaydar, poor guy got the Ken doll masseuse all confused :D

[flyers088]

3 episodes left??? I thought there were 20 episodes this season???

[terpfan1980]

3 episodes left??? I thought there were 20 episodes this season???

"split season"

3 left before a break, then 8 more later in the new year.

[hanumang]

Classic episode.

Drama was too much - Kevin Dillion's acting in the hall afterwards had me rolling in my seat. This season really has been Drama's coming out party.

[Graymalkin]

I've read (in Entertainment Weekly) that Kevin Connolly and Seth Green are long-time friends, but surely Seth doesn't need to have work thrown his way, does he?

[hanumang]

I'd argue that it's because Entourage has become the Batman TV show of the modern era - everybody wants to cameo on it. (If only because folks in the biz love how it parodies the biz)

[Sirius Black]

I've read (in Entertainment Weekly) that Kevin Connolly and Seth Green are long-time friends, but surely Seth doesn't need to have work thrown his way, does he?

Last I checked, Seth Green's TV show was cancelled. He could probably use the work. They even mentioned it on last week's show.

Frankly, he never should have left Sunnydale.

[Sparty99]

Last I checked, Seth Green's TV show was cancelled. He could probably use the work. They even mentioned it on last week's show.

Frankly, he never should have left Sunnydale.
Um, was he given a choice?

Two thoughts about Seth Green. It's absolutely fascinating to me what a phenomenon this show has become that people will cameo on this show just to make themselves look like d*cks.

And second, I was confused about the Austin Powers comments. Near as I can remember, Seth Green never did the pinky move as Dr. Evil's son (I know, I'm probably over-analyzing).

[mwhip]

Seth Green just wanted to cameo to do a parody. I mean this is the guy who is co-creator of Robot Chicken (http://imdb.com/title/tt0437745/) and does the voice of Chris on Family Guy.

[mrpantstm]

hilarious episode. Seth had his own little entourage.

Drama was eminating such a gay vibe that I wasn't suprised how that turned out.

I really expected E to mess things up with Sloan due to jealousy and whatever Seth was saying.

Loved how Drama just came through the door and punched the guy in the face without even knowing what was going on.

[mitkraft]

I saw the drama gay thing coming WAY WAY off. As a matter of fact, they went SOO far with it and dragged it out soo long that I was getting tired of waiting for it. I get embarrassed for characters and it makes me uncomfortable. That's whey I never liked the Three Stooges. But the payoff (however brief) was pretty good. Drama just coming in and laying that guy out was awesome! My wife had me rewind to see turtles face. The first time Seth said something turtle was holding E. back. But the second time you saw turtle shrug his shoulders and make an "After you" like gesture. It was perfect.

I love these guys! (not in a gay way though Ken, not that there's anything wrong with that. :D

[pmyers]

They sure do keep that publicist in the dark!

[MungoJerrie]

I really expected E to mess things up with Sloan due to jealousy and whatever Seth was saying. You know that's going to happen before the finale. And what did Seth say something like "..when I blasted her in the face like [sounded like a "Jackson party???"]. I couldn't catch that last line, I rewound and everything, anybody pick it up?

[Mabes]

Like a Jackson Pollack.

I thought it was kind of a boring episode. Saw the Drama thing coming down the Vegas strip, and there was very little about the reaction to Vince's press conference other than a mention by Ari.

[Sirius Black]

Um, was he given a choice?

Two thoughts about Seth Green. It's absolutely fascinating to me what a phenomenon this show has become that people will cameo on this show just to make themselves look like d*cks.

And second, I was confused about the Austin Powers comments. Near as I can remember, Seth Green never did the pinky move as Dr. Evil's son (I know, I'm probably over-analyzing).

The timing of Austin Powers and his departure from Sunnydale was suspect. I figured it was his idea to leave the show.

I think at the end of Goldmember, he took Dr. Evil's place and did the pinky move as the movie ended. i've only seen the movie a couple times so I could be wrong.

[Sparty99]

The timing of Austin Powers and his departure from Sunnydale was suspect. I figured it was his idea to leave the show.

I think at the end of Goldmember, he took Dr. Evil's place and did the pinky move as the movie ended. i've only seen the movie a couple times so I could be wrong.
Yeah, that's true, but that was at the very end of the movie and I only remember him laughing like Dr. Evil and not doing the pinky thing (not that the fact that I can't remember it means anything). But something at the very end of the third movie versus the entirety of the three movies doesn't seem all that noteworthy.

Basic gist for me is that when I see the pinky thing I think Mike Myers, not Seth Green.

[MungoJerrie]

Like a Jackson Pollack.Thanks; having now seen the artist's work, I get it!!! That's classic...

[TAsunder]

When I see inspector clouseau's uniform I think peter sellers. But if I saw steve martin, I would think of the uniform. It's not a stretch to think of the pinky thing when you see seth green. At least, not for me.

[zordude]

Um, was he given a choice?



On the commentary track on one of my Buffy DVD's I remember them talking about the fact that Seth chose to leave the show because of another opportunity that he had. I can't remember what the other opportunity was off the top of my head. When he told them that, they wrote him out of the show, per his request.

Z

[rkester]

Not my fave ep this season but still good. Like you guys said, the drama gay thing was easier to spot than a white dove on asphalt.

Its wierd, about half the time when Im reading these entourage threads, you guys mention something I didnt remmber in the show. I end up having to go back and rewatch.

Ive been totally into Entourage lately. After getting the S1/S2 boxes, and watching them like 10 times each, I've been rewatching this season on my tivo again. I then restarted S1 again.

I dont have any friends who are into the show, which sucks and I dont get it. One of my friends would so totally be into it but he never gave it a shot or did and didnt let it love him right. I dunno.

All I know is I want more episodes.

[jgerry]

Ive been totally into Entourage lately. After getting the S1/S2 boxes, and watching them like 10 times each, I've been rewatching this season on my tivo again. I then restarted S1 again.
I'd rather watch repeats of Entourage than almost anything else on TV. Right now, this season is chewing up a ton of space on my crappy Comcast HD DVR (man I miss my Tivo). The DVR only hold about 15 hrs of HD programming, and Entourage is keeping it 1/3 full at all times. 1/2 full by the end of this season. But I'm not deleting them. :)

I liked the episode. We were cringing at my house waiting for the gay Drama shoe to drop. It was like, "Come on, get it over with already!!!" But we were howling in laughter, so mission accomplished.

Seth Green's "Jackson Pollack" comment may have gone over the heads of a lot of viewers but I loved it.

Vince blows $100K playing blackjack without even thinking about it? Must be really nice to just not worry about these things at all. Quite the contrast from watching Ari blow a gasket while losing big bucks.

Turtle, as always, rules... For cutting a deal with ALL the strippers. :cool:

[Joeg180]

I thought Ari was going to implode at the table. I loved it when the guy kept asking for his apology.

You knew E was going to take out Seth Green, even before the Jackson Pollack comment.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I thought Ari was going to implode at the table.
Yeah, it was fun watching Ari kick back and relax for a change. :D

[audioscience]

The Jackson Pollack comment was the best thing ever. I'm going to be looking for opportunities to use that when I'm out with my "entourage." :D

[Bars & Tone]

...And second, I was confused about the Austin Powers comments. Near as I can remember, Seth Green never did the pinky move as Dr. Evil's son (I know, I'm probably over-analyzing).
I didn't take that line to mean that Seth was implying he had anything to do with the "pinky". I took it to be a reference to the entire Austin Powers franchise.

[IndyTom]

Hmmm.....I may be going against the grain here, but I thought this episode was the least funny of the season. Of course, this is measured against all of the previous episodes that were extremely hilarious, so the bar was already high.

It is almost as if they needed the backdrop of Vegas to mask the lack of writing. I hope this wasn't a foreshadow of decline - since there is only 3 episodes left in the "season".

The Drama sub-plot? Zzzzz. Like others have posted earlier, the whole "gaydar" thing was telegraphed once he handed Ken the almonds. So we had to endure this inevitable tension throughout the episode.

The whole Sloan "whaddup" thing was kind of funny - possible because (as someone pointed out earlier) that he had his own "entourage" as well. It kind of reminded me of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine started hanging out with a new "Jerry" - who had his own versions of Kramer and George - and they met face to face on the sidewalk in a Mexican standoff. (Ok - that was a reach)

Lastly - this wasn't my favorite Ari episode either. Ari is best condescending his friends, family, and co-workers. The obligatory phone calls to Babs and screaming at the black jack dealer do not fill that void.

[mdsutherland]

I sure hope in the next three weeks we get some idea of where Vince is heading. I also would like to see more of Turtle doing the things he does. He lined up the Vegas stuff and many other deals. I would like to see more of his dealings.

[aindik]

Last I checked, Seth Green's TV show was cancelled. He could probably use the work. They even mentioned it on last week's show.


"Apparently people won't watch a show about four grown men living together. Who knew?" :)

I think I read that the other 8 episodes will air the same weeks as the final 8 episodes of the Sopranos. Which would mean we won't see them 'til March.

[flyers088]

"Apparently people won't watch a show about four grown men living together. Who knew?" :)

I think I read that the other 8 episodes will air the same weeks as the final 8 episodes of the Sopranos. Which would mean we won't see them 'til March.

No they need to stay away from the stench that is the sopranos. It can only drag it down. Stay away, stay far away!!!!!

[Sparty99]

I sure hope in the next three weeks we get some idea of where Vince is heading. I also would like to see more of Turtle doing the things he does. He lined up the Vegas stuff and many other deals. I would like to see more of his dealings.
Agreed. Too much of this season seems to have just been dropped from one week to the next (with maybe a cursory mention once in the episode). I want to know what impact pissing off Warner and the Queens Boulevard studios are going to have for him, whether or not Ari's going to try to get his money from Terrance, etc.

[KRS]

God I love this show!

Turtle: "You brought your own robe Drama?"

Drama: "Why wouldn't I?"

[MikeMar]

Loved Ari when Vince was down that money :)

I think I would have flipped out at that guy who split kings as well! You are at a somewhat high rollers table and the guy splits k's???? jeeze

[busyba]

I think I would have flipped out at that guy who split kings as well! You are at a somewhat high rollers table and the guy splits k's???? jeeze
You do know that it doesn't matter, right?

Or are you one of those? :)


I'm still trying to figure out how they found a table with a >=$75,000 maximum and a <=$25 minimum. :D

[MikeMar]

You do know that it doesn't matter, right?

Or are you one of those? :)

yeah i know, you have no idea what's coming next and all that, but it's like betting on the don't pass line in craps, it messes people up and gets people upset.

and besides the whole "affecting the next card" thing. you are never supposed to break up a winning hand.

You have 20, you have the win (9 times out of 10) but if you split you could easily get a 4 or 5 or 6 and be screwed.

[busyba]

and besides the whole "affecting the next card" thing. you are never supposed to break up a winning hand.

You have 20, you have the win (9 times out of 10) but if you split you could easily get a 4 or 5 or 6 and be screwed.
I'm not well-versed in BJ strategy, so I'm wondering: if you're counting, is there a sufficiently high enough count where splitting tens becomes correct play? (Even though, I guess, that would be akin to lighting giant neon sign flashing "I'm Counting!" :))

[TAsunder]

It's rather difficult to count in reality.

[MikeMar]

I'm not well-versed in BJ strategy, so I'm wondering: if you're counting, is there a sufficiently high enough count where splitting tens becomes correct play? (Even though, I guess, that would be akin to lighting giant neon sign flashing "I'm Counting!" :))

the deck would REALLY have to be LOADED w/ high cards for that to work, and if it was, you really wouldn't care about your cards, but rather since the deal was showing a 6, you'd assume there is a 10 under there, and that a 10 would come out next and bust, thus it doesn't matter what cards you have.

If you split 10's at a very high stakes table, that WOULD raise flags though, cause it's a very uncommon move, hell at a $10 table people yell at you for doing it!


It's like trying to stretch a single into a triple, majority of the times you will be thrown out, but you WILL make it sometimes and look awesome for doing it, but you still should really never go for it :)

[Bananfish]

Remind me never to go to Vegas with you MikeMar. Geez, if everybody that went to Vegas did what they were "supposed" to do, nobody'd have any fun. In fact, if everybody that went to Vegas did what they were "supposed" to do, there wouldn't even be a Vegas.

[MikeMar]

Remind me never to go to Vegas with you MikeMar. Geez, if everybody that went to Vegas did what they were "supposed" to do, nobody'd have any fun. In fact, if everybody that went to Vegas did what they were "supposed" to do, there wouldn't even be a Vegas.

haha, well every bet is in the houses advantage, so any time you make a bet they are going to make more money overall :)

But there are fun things to do, and stupid things to do! :) Like playing the money wheel, not a good idea :)

I have been guilty of doing stupid stuff while gambling cause "I had a hunch"

[busyba]

It's rather difficult to count in reality.
Counting's easy. Utilizing the information gleaned from the count in a manner that is profitable, but at the same time doesn't get you kicked out is the hard part. :)

[mitkraft]

It's rather difficult to count in reality.

It's not as tough as you'd think. I have a program that tries to teach you a strategy for doing it (not that I've played with it enough to even attempt to do it live). You don't count every card. You only count +1 or -1 for certain groups of cards. For example its +1 everytime a ten or face card is dealt, and -1 for the others (except for a few that are considered neutral). That way you always know which way the scale is leaning. Not an exact system like counting every single card, but it is still the kind of counting that can get you kicked out and it seems masterable with minimal effort.

[Mabes]

What was that fact Ari made to Seth and then did it again when Seth said "It got me a house in Malibu?"

[MikeMar]

What was that fact Ari made to Seth and then did it again when Seth said "It got me a house in Malibu?"

they were talking about the pinky in the mouth thing that Dr. Evil did when he said "1 million dollars" but if I recall correctly, Seth Green never did that move, unless it was at the VERY end of the 3rd one or something.

[Sparty99]

they were talking about the pinky in the mouth thing that Dr. Evil did when he said "1 million dollars" but if I recall correctly, Seth Green never did that move, unless it was at the VERY end of the 3rd one or something.
Smeek! ;)

[MikeMar]

Smeek! ;)

I just like to copy you that's all.

[Sparty99]

I just like to copy you that's all.
Hell, I'm just glad I'm not crazy and you confirmed exactly what I've been saying.

[Family]

This season has been great IMO, but this was the worst Entourage of the season. Almost reminded of of The Happy Days episode when it "jumped the shark." I know this series has a lot left in the tank, but the group heading out to Las Vegas with Ari is like the Cunningham family vacationing with Fonzie.

[uncdrew]

You do know that it doesn't matter, right?

Or are you one of those? :)


What I loved about the guy splitting the kings is that it very clearly showed that it doesn't always mess up the other people.

Hell, it won them $300k.

And it was cool how Ari finally said "sorry" to the guy and kissed his bald head. For a moment I thought Ari was going to be too proud to say it, but you could see the relief and happiness pour through his pride and let him act giddy. Perfectly in character.

[Charlutz]

That's just how it works sometimes. Very true to life for Vegas. Yes, I am one of those people. Blackjack is nearly automatic. It's mathematical. There are certain things you do, and certain that you don't. Some are closer calls then others like hitting a 12 against a 2. But others are MUSTS. You never split tens. You never hit 12 or higher against a 6, etc. The amazing thing about Vegas is that it always seems like the guy that splits 10's or hits his 17 wins while busting the rest of the table. More like, those are the hands you remember, but it always seems to work out that way. :D

[drew2k]

Agreed. Too much of this season seems to have just been dropped from one week to the next (with maybe a cursory mention once in the episode). I want to know what impact pissing off Warner and the Queens Boulevard studios are going to have for him, whether or not Ari's going to try to get his money from Terrance, etc.So each episode is more like a stand-alone episode? Hmm. HBO is probably gearing up for syndication distribution in a year or two.

[rkester]

No way they can do syndication for a while. Don't they need 100 shows for that? Right now we only have 20 for S1 and 2, and what 22 for this season? That means to reach 100 they'd need 2.5-3 more seasons of 20+ episodes.

I do agree, I wanna know how this whole AM2/QB thing is going to affect things for him. And how Ari is going to pull off the agency and if he's going to get his money from terrapin er i mean terrance.

[terpfan1980]

No way they can do syndication for a while. Don't they need 100 shows for that? Right now we only have 20 for S1 and 2, and what 22 for this season? That means to reach 100 they'd need 2.5-3 more seasons of 20+ episodes.

I do agree, I wanna know how this whole AM2/QB thing is going to affect things for him. And how Ari is going to pull off the agency and if he's going to get his money from terrapin er i mean terrance.

Not to get too far off track here, but would you care to tell us how many episodes of Sex and the City there are?

That 100 episodes is a guideline, but not a hard and fast rule.

There are some other issues with potentially syndicating Entourage that might make it a little more difficult anyway... issues like language, nudity, etc. Of course it didn't stop HBO from syndicating SATC, so who knows what would happen.

Generally, though, I'm in agreement with your main point that they should build up more episodes before thinking about syndicating. Get 60 or so episodes under their belts and then start working on a deal while another 20 or so episodes are in the works. That'd give them plenty to string out.

[Bananfish]

Not to get too far off track here, but would you care to tell us how many episodes of Sex and the City there are?

That 100 episodes is a guideline, but not a hard and fast rule.

94.

[rkester]

94 counts the finale 2 hour's as 2 shows but its pretty close to 100.

Yeah, i was really amazed when SATC got syndicated and suprized at how well they cleaned it up for TBS.

Not sure where I would see Entourage, network wise... but I would LOVE for the show to make it to syndication because that means its good enough to rock worlds.

[terpfan1980]

That 94 is a bit of surprise. I don't remember that many episodes over it's life, but I know it went for a good number of seasons. I was thinking 60 - 80 episodes total, but with the lull since it aired, I'm guessing I totally lost count of the number of episodes per season along the way. (Was assuming 13 or so per, similar to Sopranos numbers).

[hanumang]

Personally, I wouldn't want to see Entourage 'cleaned up.'

Considering the typical convo between the boys, and Ari's infamous meltdowns, going PG-13 would be wack, IMHO. And Dom would have all this stuff cut out. (OK, maybe that's one good thing.)

Of course, after having been a loyal viewer of Oz, I thought a network show set in the pen would be totally lame. As it turns out, I'm now kicking myself for not jumping on the Prison Break bandwagon sooner.

[Bananfish]

That 94 is a bit of surprise. I don't remember that many episodes over it's life, but I know it went for a good number of seasons. I was thinking 60 - 80 episodes total, but with the lull since it aired, I'm guessing I totally lost count of the number of episodes per season along the way. (Was assuming 13 or so per, similar to Sopranos numbers).

6 seasons, as so: 12, 18, 18, 18, 8, 20.

[mdsutherland]

Well House went syndication after season 1 well USA picked it up after 1 season. I don't think that is what is happening to Entourage but I don't think there is a hard and fast rule for number of shows.

[NoThru22]

That's just how it works sometimes. Very true to life for Vegas. Yes, I am one of those people. Blackjack is nearly automatic. It's mathematical. There are certain things you do, and certain that you don't. Some are closer calls then others like hitting a 12 against a 2. But others are MUSTS. You never split tens. You never hit 12 or higher against a 6, etc. The amazing thing about Vegas is that it always seems like the guy that splits 10's or hits his 17 wins while busting the rest of the table. More like, those are the hands you remember, but it always seems to work out that way. :D
Actually, you MUST hit a 12 against a 2 (or even a 3). Not hitting anything against a two assumes that a dealer MUST have a ten in the hole AND get a ten on the turn. Almost anything but two tens, and you're screwed.

[bruinfan]

Actually, you MUST hit a 12 against a 2 (or even a 3). Not hitting anything against a two assumes that a dealer MUST have a ten in the hole AND get a ten on the turn. Almost anything but two tens, and you're screwed.
NOt if the count is high...

What I loved about the guy splitting the kings is that it very clearly showed that it doesn't always mess up the other people.
I once played at a $2 table, betting avg $25/hand... and the 2 people next to me did nothing right, but we all won.. I won $300... funny.

It's not as tough as you'd think. I have a program that tries to teach you a strategy for doing it (not that I've played with it enough to even attempt to do it live). You don't count every card. You only count +1 or -1 for certain groups of cards. For example its +1 everytime a ten or face card is dealt, and -1 for the others (except for a few that are considered neutral). That way you always know which way the scale is leaning. Not an exact system like counting every single card, but it is still the kind of counting that can get you kicked out and it seems masterable with minimal effort.
I will forward your avatar to every Casino in Nevada... you are in trouble, mister. :D

And a comment on the show: Ari reminds me of a young Nicholas Cage in Honeymoon in Vegas... I loved when he melted down and ranted.
"But I had a STRAIGHT FLUSH!!!, you know what that's is? It's like... unbeatable"
"Well, LIKE unbeatable is NOT unbeatable Jack"
"HEEYYYY, I KNOW that now, OKAAAAYYY?"

Part of the joy of Entourage is waiting for Ari to meltdown.

[sjgmoney]

Syndication?

Sex and the City: Edit out the nudity, language. Show remains the same.
Entourage: Edit out the nudity, language, drug use, almost all of Ari's dialogue. There is no show.

The boys' antics (sex, drugs, ripping each other) are the show. Ari's filthy mouth, non-PC behaviour, and insults ARE Ari.

[Magnolia88]

Sex and the City: Edit out the nudity, language. Show remains the same.

Are you kidding? Half of the jokes on SatC involved the puns and double entendres with the dirty words. I can't watch the TBS version because so many of the jokes aren't even funny anymore. I guess it's okay for people who aren't familiar with the original version, but if you know what the joke is *supposed* to be, it's not so funny.

Plus, most of the really outrageous stuff on SatC is gone altogether because there was no way to clean it up. There is MUCH more sexually explicit content on SatC than on Entourage. So I think Entourage would be easier to clean up for syndication, although just like SatC, not nearly as funny without Ari's profanity-laden tirades.

The cleaned-up SatC is still about the friendships, just like the cleaned-up version of Entourage would be.

[tubsone]

Best show on T.V. right now!..............Hands down! Great EP! Finally these guys getting into a rumble!

[smak]

Splitting Ten's against a 6 is probably very very close to being even.

A dealer busting with a 6 is 42.3%.

So 42.3% of the time you are going to double your money no matter what card you get.

Now each other outcome has around a 11.5% chance of occurring.

So figuring all that out with the huge % of the time you are going to win 1 bet with 20 there, and i'm thinking it's close.

-smak-

[Charlutz]

Even as in you'll push over the long term, or even with staying on 20? Because 20 against a six is an obviously overwhelming advantage you would not trade for even.