Big Brother All Stars: 7/16

[gossamer88]

What the hell was that? There's gotta be a backdoor in Kaysar's strategy. Entertaining as Will is, he's the one that's gotta go. Remember Survivor All-Stars? Tina was the first one outta there. Jase so far is playing this game the best.

[flyers088]

Reality star affecting BB7 game

here is why Diane is nom.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/TV_Shows/B/BigBrother7/2006/07/12/1681125.html

[pantherman007]

Show-wise it will get more interesting as the fence-sitter guests take sides or leave the house. Strategy-wise, though, this could be a Kaysar mistake on par with the "take your finger off the button and trust me" move on BB6.

[flyers088]

Looks like the King is playing both sides. He has made himself an alliance with Wil and Mike. Not sure yet if it is behind the back of Season 6 and his alliance with them.

[NJChris]

Looks like the King is playing both sides. He has made himself an alliance with Wil and Mike. Not sure yet if it is behind the back of Season 6 and his alliance with them. he has not made himself an alliance with them. They were playing him. They were very very very transparent..

He is stupid. Like I said in another thread.. he did ONE thing good and everything else has been STUPID.

Just like Nakomis.. she did ONE THING good... that sticks in his mind and he thinks she is so smart... everything else she did was not bright.

Those 2 (nakomis and Diane) don't win competitions.... Just dumb dumb dumb.

Oh well.

[hairyblue]

I disagree. He has repeated to Will and Mike that this was not an alliance--just an understanding. And listening to Will and Mike in the diary room, you know that they want Kaysar out right now.

Kaysar doesn't deserve to win. In fact, he deserves Will or Mike to win HOH next week and then say "I nominate Kayar for eviction" It's only fair. He doesn't seem to learn from his past mistakes and keeps making them again and again. He's a NOT winner.


Hairy

[appleye1]

Reality star affecting BB7 game

here is why Diane is nom.

http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/TV_Shows/B/BigBrother7/2006/07/12/1681125.htmlToni Ferrari - If you've ever seen her on a reality show this makes a lot of sense.

Hell hath no fury like Toni Ferrari scorned! :eek:

[mwhip]

There are a lot of things going on and other things behind the scenes and before they went in the house. If you want to know any of this read the live feed thread.

Kaysar's move was very stupid this was his last chance to prove to me he deserved to be in the house. I think the floaters are important you need to have numbers when voting and the floaters are more easily brought to your side than Will and Mike. They are still only 2 strong. S6 is 4 strong and Kaysar, Howie and Janelle are just stupid letting James irritate them because he talks to everyone. Well that is going to help James because James and Jase are the only two people talking to everyone.

Mike and Will don't want to be HoH or win any competitions they will probably throw everything until someone nominates them and takes them seriously. Right now they are fine with letting S6 do the dirty work and isolating everyone in the house.

BTW - My new pick is CG because he is doing what the last 2 winners did. Cook food and be quiet and get out the way of the strong players and the ones that hate each other. Someone pointed me to an interview he did before going in and he said he studied after his season and knows the game now. Looks like CG ain't so dumb.

[newsposter]

they should have brought in june as guest cook for the season

about a conspiracy...i didnt read any threads etc except that linked article above....i would think if there really was talk outside the house that is grounds for dismissal isn't it?

notice how danny was not even mentioned at all this week....just faded into the background.

I like that they change the HOH room now. But it still irks me how everyone feels they must show off the room. I guess it's expected. And to have people, even your friends, come in and chow down on your stuff...well...isnt that a bit presumptious? you can tell james will be the odd man out of that alliance..he's not sticking his head out as much and while the guise is somewhat believeable, it's still gonna wear on the other 3
go lisa

[loubob57]

If Will doesn't end up nominated by way of veto then I don't know what Kaysar is thinking. I'll give him that chance before I declare him to have screwed up.

[Steveknj]

Well, I am so happy, since I am the rare BB fan who HATES the BB6 folks (with the exception of James, who's backing away from them. He must see what is going on there and that eventually someone will gun for them). How could Kaysar NOT nominate Will and Boogie? I agree, that IS the dumbest move he made since the button last season. This might be their only chance to get rid of them, and he blew it. But I'm glad. I've had enough of Kaysar and his smug attitude and Howie acting like a 10 year old spoiled kid. I agree with Will, he is SO annoying. I loved Will just busting on him about his forehead!!! Janelle is laying a bit lower this year...does she see that the BB6 alliance could be something she might want to distance herself from? If she does, then I might actually like her.

[mwhip]

Janelle is the leader of the S6 alliance if she backs off she has no one to protect her. She needs to use Howie and Kaysar to her advantage but abviously she can not even control Kaysar.

As much as I would hate to say it I would love to see Boogie win HoH next week and nominate Kaysar just for being stupid. But I fear he would also nominate Janelle or James.

[Skittles]

If Will doesn't end up nominated by way of veto then I don't know what Kaysar is thinking. I'll give him that chance before I declare him to have screwed up.Agreed. In fact, I am seriously hoping that Kaysar has orchestrated this entire thing with all the other HG's, just so he can backdoor Will into a nomination that's unescapable.

If he hasn't done that, and he really does have a bone to pick with the floaters... well, then this quite possibly the stupidest set of nominations ever. If you've got the HoH this early in the game, you get rid of the dangerous people. Quickly. You don't wait a few weeks, you don't make deals... you strike at the head swiftly.

Besides which, the floaters have shown they aren't playing a strategic game. So keep the floaters in the house and exploit their numbers (and their votes) as long as you need them to establish a numeric majority, THEN vote them out. It's basic strategy in vote-based games. Otherwise, all this move does is polarize the floaters against Kaysar, and Chill Town (god, I hate that name) will quickly swoop in and organize the floaters into an alliance with them to take out Kaysar and the S6 alliance.

Really, really hoping Kaysar's got something up his sleeve, like he did when he had Eric removed in BB6. That would greatly increase his cred with me and redeem him.

If he doesn't have something up his sleeve.... well, Kaysar just became a worse BB player than Chicken George. And that's saying something.

[Mikkel_Knight]

If he doesn't have something up his sleeve.... well, Kaysar just became a worse BB player than Chicken George. And that's saying something.
True... very true... and I'm someone who thinks that Kaysar is pretty good...

It just floors me that Will & Boogie were not put up... only 1 of them would get off if the veto went to someone other than C-6 players...

Poor poor move by Kaysar - hopefully he's got something more in mind...

[marksman]

What the hell was that? There's gotta be a backdoor in Kaysar's strategy. Entertaining as Will is, he's the one that's gotta go. Remember Survivor All-Stars? Tina was the first one outta there. Jase so far is playing this game the best.

That was my thought too. We must be missing something. They must know their best chance to get rid of Will is the backdoor method and perhaps they are working on setting that up eventually. Perhaps they even make a deal with Nakomis and Diane to get rid of will. With those two in the fold, they could almost assuredly get Will out of the house, by controlling the veto and the votes in the house.

That being said, it does not seem like that is what will happen. I am afraid Kayser may have once again made a horrible mistake. I was all for putting up Will and Boogie, but I did not mind the Will / Nakomis combo either to turn the sides against each other. Don't really like this unless they use it to backdoor Will without leaving any of them vulnerable.

[marksman]

By the way am I the only one who did not know Ericka was dating Josh from season 1 for 5 years? I was a bit floored by that, as that means she was dating him when she got cast and was on Big Brother 5. Not that I expect anything less, but to me it comes across as extremely lame.

[kdelande]

I only watched S1 a long time ago and am finally giving BB another viewing since so many seem to like it. Glad I did, this is interesting even though I have no real history other than CG and the special where they went over the 20 candidates.

One question, is "ChillTown" only Dr. Will and Boogie? Or are there others considered part of that? What does that refer to anyway, their casual attitude?

KD

[KRS]

I think Kaysar's move was smart.

Think about it - everyone is gunning for the Will and Boogie alliance. They are going to get nominated, so why should he do the dirty work? Kaysar got booted (the first time) the week after nominating a strong player for eviction. It is a risk, but now he is in Will and Boogie's good graces for at least another week.


If Will wants to use Howie to get farther in the game, he needs to ease up a little. You could see that he was crossing the line a bit with his wrinkle disses, putting their "friendship" in jeopardy. Kudos to Howie for the white bread thing though!

When Kaysar was debating botox with Will and made the comments about fake boobs and puffed up lips, did anyone else notice that the camera briefly went to Janelle. Does she or anyone else in the house have fake ones? For some reason I thought Danielle had implants, but I'm not sure about Janelle.

By the way am I the only one who did not know Ericka was dating Josh from season 1 for 5 years? I was a bit floored by that, as that means she was dating him when she got cast and was on Big Brother 5. Not that I expect anything less, but to me it comes across as extremely lame.

We thought that was weird as well.

Her come-ons to Kaysar were pretty desperate. OK Kaysar, I'll be your girlfriend. Yikes.

[mulder11]

Both Janelle and Ericka have them (they were both in that shot)

[mwhip]

Janelle and Erika have fake boobs.

Kaysar's mistake is not nominating Will or Boogie because if one of them win HoH next week they are going to put him up. They do not care about the "deal" they made they want to send a message.

Spoiler for Veto info
Erika won veto and there is some talk from James, Janelle and Howie to talk some sense into Kaysar. They want to have Erika use the veto on Nakomis to put up Will. Then use the bargaining chip of taking Nakomis off to have the following vote for Will. Nakomis, Erika, Marci, Danielle, Howie, Janelle. Not sure if they pulled it off as they were going to talk to Kaysar after I went to bed.

[Dnamertz]

I think Kaysar's move was smart.

Think about it - everyone is gunning for the Will and Boogie alliance. They are going to get nominated, so why should he do the dirty work? Kaysar got booted (the first time) the week after nominating a strong player for eviction. It is a risk, but now he is in Will and Boogie's good graces for at least another week.


Good point.

I'm not sure why people think the "floaters" are not a threat to the season 6 alliance? In my mind, if any of these floaters get HOH, they will definitely be going after the season 6 alliance. Everyone wants to break up those 4 S6'ers...not just Will & Mike. The floaters are people who could turn the season 6 foursome into a minority.

I actually liked their original plan better, which was to nominate Nakomis and Will (or Boogie) to turn those four potential allies against each other.

[newsposter]

By the way am I the only one who did not know Ericka was dating Josh from season 1 for 5 years?

and here i thought she and robert were exes...can't keep all this straight

[newsposter]

at least we now know it was botox and not some rare disease that puffed up his ugly face

why would someone want to get more in shape yet get fatter face?

[hefe]

I actually liked their original plan better, which was to nominate Nakomis and Will (or Boogie) to turn those four potential allies against each other.
Ditto

[hefe]

and here i thought she and robert were exes...can't keep all this straight
They were, although I'm not sure about the chronology. They're both ex's of hers.

[JFriday]

One question, is "ChillTown" only Dr. Will and Boogie? Or are there others considered part of that? What does that refer to anyway, their casual attitude?

KD

Chill town was the alliance Will and Mike were in during S2. They were named that because the room they slept in was the coldest room in the house.

[hefe]

Chill town was the alliance Will and Mike were in during S2. They were named that because the room they slept in was the coldest room in the house.
Is that why they called it that?

I figured it was just "Boogie's" inner 12 year old naming the cool kid club.

[appleye1]

One question, is "ChillTown" only Dr. Will and Boogie? Or are there others considered part of that? What does that refer to anyway, their casual attitude?
Will and Mike were originally the "Chill Town" alliance in Season 2 (along with Shannon). The name came from the bedroom they were in together, which was colder than any of the other bedrooms.

CBS website credits Kent, another season 2 contestant, with coming up with the name.

Edit: Oops - slow posting!

[KyleLC]

Or are there others considered part of that?And yes, there were others in the alliance besides Will and Boogie.

[KRS]

Janelle and Erika have fake boobs.

Kaysar's mistake is not nominating Will or Boogie because if one of them win HoH next week they are going to put him up. They do not care about the "deal" they made they want to send a message.



Kaysar has a pretty big target on his back, regardless of who wins, save for the BB6 crew.

Sure, he may be getting played by Will & Boogie, but by making even a loose arrangement with them, he possibly buys another week and doesn't have to be the one doing the dirty work. It's not like Diane will come after Kaysar with a vengeance if Nikomis gets the boot.

Of course, Kaysar didn't truly nominate "floaters" as Diane and Nikomis have an alliance of two.

[unicorngoddess]

I think Kaysar's move was smart.

Think about it - everyone is gunning for the Will and Boogie alliance. They are going to get nominated, so why should he do the dirty work? Kaysar got booted (the first time) the week after nominating a strong player for eviction. It is a risk, but now he is in Will and Boogie's good graces for at least another week.


I agree. He got evicted last time because he went after a strong alliance in the house and they ended up nominated him the week after that. Why should he be stupid and make the same mistake again. By going after the floaters in the house you acomplish two things: (Hopefull) keeping yourself from being nominated the next week by the remaining members of the alliance you tried to break up and taking the floaters out of the game early. They are the ones to be affraid of in the game because you never know which way they're going to vote.

I think this was the smartest move Kaysar could make...but the real safe thing for him to have done would have been to let Nakomis win HOH so he wouldn't be in this position at all.

[kdelande]

Thanks for the ChillTown info!

KD

[Dnamertz]

Ditto

Actuall, the more I think about it I don't think it would have been smart to nominate Nakomis and Will. Because then he would have had three people seeking revenge after this week instead of one.

[Dnamertz]

I think this was the smartest move Kaysar could make...but the real safe thing for him to have done would have been to let Nakomis win HOH so he wouldn't be in this position at all.

Are you serious? He would probably be nominated now...or some of his alliance would be.

[KRS]

It was funny when Jase said that Nikomis already had prison tats to go along with being shackled together. When she was first on BB, I thought that big fractal thing on her shoulder wasn't finished and she was going to add some color. That might have been sort of cool. As it is, her tats are really really ugly, especially the big one on her neck. Ugh.

I was also amused that everyone was talking about not eating the slop until they absolutely had to, and then Janelle comes in and serves herself a bowl right after the contest. That would have been me - I'd be curious to see what I was in for.

I have to wonder what is in the slop. It looks like oatmeal, which certainly wouldn't have enough nutrition for a whole week. At least PB&J has protein to keep you going.

[ayrton911]

I think Kaysar's move was the dumbest move on earth.

Will and Mike don't weren't that tight with the rest of the house. By getting rid of one of them, you would have had 1 other person really mad at you. A lot of the other people: Nakomis, Diane, George, etc. would have not been mad that Will or Mike was gone. Only the other guy (will or mike) would have been going all-out at you.

Now Will and Mike will still be going all out at you plus you have Diane and or Nakomis (whoever stays) madder than ever at you too. Plus anyone they are pretty close with.

Kaysar keeps making these crazy decisions. In a lot of seasons, I understand keeping the game cool early on, but it isn't going to work this year. Things are already blowing up more than they would have if he had just nominated Mike and Will.

ha-ha. Ok, that's just my take. I find it all incredibly entertaining though! :)

[Rkkeller]

As it is, her tats are really really ugly, especially the big one on her neck. Ugh.

They just match her face ! :eek:

[KRS]

I think Kaysar's move was the dumbest move on earth.

Will and Mike don't weren't that tight with the rest of the house. By getting rid of one of them, you would have had 1 other person really mad at you. A lot of the other people: Nakomis, Diane, George, etc. would have not been mad that Will or Mike was gone. Only the other guy (will or mike) would have been going all-out at you.

Now Will and Mike will still be going all out at you plus you have Diane and or Nakomis (whoever stays) madder than ever at you too. Plus anyone they are pretty close with.

Kaysar keeps making these crazy decisions. In a lot of seasons, I understand keeping the game cool early on, but it isn't going to work this year. Things are already blowing up more than they would have if he had just nominated Mike and Will.

ha-ha. Ok, that's just my take. I find it all incredibly entertaining though! :)

I'd rather have Diane or Nikomis mad at me than Will. :)

And why assume that Will and Boogie are immediately going to nominate Kaysar if they win next week. I believe that Will would be more crafty and figure out a way to turn BB6 against each other. Like, maybe Will would nominate James and Janelle, let them fight amongst themselves. If Kaysar were to say anything about the "deal" he made with Will and Boogie, they could use that to further splinter the BB6 group.

[mwhip]

This is what they are eating:

http://www.billpearl.com/product.asp?i=2670

Basically think of it as that food in "The Matrix" they eat on the ship.

[Skittles]

The funniest possibility out of all of the possibilities...

- Kaysar makes a deal with Will and Boogie to vote out the floaters, and Will and Boogie agree to keep Kaysar for a few weeks

- Kaysar votes out floater

- Floaters get pissed and ally with Will and Boogie

- Floaters or Will/Boogie win HoH and boot Kaysar the following week, breaking their pact just like the Nerd Herd did in Season 6, and history repeats itself.

[unicorngoddess]

This is what they are eating:

http://www.billpearl.com/product.asp?i=2670

Basically think of it as that food in "The Matrix" they eat on the ship.

That's EXACTLY what I thought of when I saw the stuff too :)

[Steveknj]

The funniest possibility out of all of the possibilities...

- Kaysar makes a deal with Will and Boogie to vote out the floaters, and Will and Boogie agree to keep Kaysar for a few weeks

- Kaysar votes out floater

- Floaters get pissed and ally with Will and Boogie

- Floaters or Will/Boogie win HoH and boot Kaysar the following week, breaking their pact just like the Nerd Herd did in Season 6, and history repeats itself.

Was Kaysar's deal with Chilltown to save just HIM or to save all the BB6ers? What I can see happening here is Will and Boogie win HoH and then nominate Janelle and Howie, let Kaysar slide. Or, make a deal with others in the house to throw "HoH" and put up the BB6ers.

And I kind of agree, there really aren't any floaters with the All-Stars. I think each one has their game. Some are laying low watching the power struggle unfold (think Chicken George or Erika). Some are, like Jase or possibly James, playing all angles to try and cover themselves, and others are trying to align with people they know to form a power block. I think the right approach is what Janelle and Jase did the first week, if you see a direct threat eliminate it, and don't make a deal. You'd think that Kaysar would have learned that from last season. It just doesn't work, especially with a few days in between your deal to have it broken.

[newsposter]

They were, although I'm not sure about the chronology. They're both ex's of hers.

see now knowing she was going out with a season 1 dude while in the house with a pre season 1 ex...now that's a story...

was this general knowledge before this week...in context of what was said on the show

[marksman]

I eat oatmeal almost every day. :) If I had a little sweetner and some fruit, I could eat it all day for a week no problem. Eating it plan might be a bit of a struggle though.

[Werd2406]

Well, I am so happy, since I am the rare BB fan who HATES the BB6 folks

Go us! I hated EVERYONE on that team and was more than excited to see them go....Kaysar is full of himself and for NO reason....cant wait to see him be the only person to walk out of Big Brother's door for a THIRD time.

[Steveknj]

Go us! I hated EVERYONE on that team and was more than excited to see them go....Kaysar is full of himself and for NO reason....cant wait to see him be the only person to walk out of Big Brother's door for a THIRD time.

High 5 :)

Just not sure why everyone else doesn't see it. I'm just so tired of those three. Howie has become an obnoxious lout, Janelle is ok, but she gets obnoxious at times, and her rant against the "friendships" last year was uncalled for. And Kaysar is just not as smart as he thinks he is. And if he gets voted out this time, it will be his own fault for the 2nd time out of the 3.

[modnar]

What was Howie putting on the slop? Some kind of drink mix or something?

[LlamaLarry]

Likely some sort of protein powder or some such.

[mwhip]

What was Howie putting on the slop? Some kind of drink mix or something?

Protein powder. They are allowed "comdiments" which they have been using brown sugar and honey. No milk or butter which to me is vital to oatmeal which I am still not sure this stuff could is. Oh and they are given proteing shakes.

Yeah I liked Howie last year but this year he is obnoxious. Kaysar was ok until his stupid nominations this week. I still like James and Janelle they are both playing really well. James better than Janelle because he talks to everyone in the house.

[Skittles]

James is smart.... he's got a semi-alliance with Season 6, but is keeping his head low enough (and staying friendly enough with everyone) that he can easily swing to any other side he needs to on a moment's notice. He's kept his options open in the best way possible. Same with Jase, actually.

I'd love to see a James/Jase/Danielle alliance get going, and have them pull in a floater or two. Even if it's done behind closed doors, getting the numbers locked down now would make them a serious powerhouse in the coming weeks.

[mwhip]

As long as Marci does not win HoH this week we could have another interesting week. Marci seems he is there for one reason and after he eliminates Dani he could care less when he goes.

[TR7spyder]

Of course, Kaysar didn't truly nominate "floaters" as Diane and Nikomis have an alliance of two.

Precisely! Why are Diane and Nikomis are even considered "floaters" if Mike and Will are not?

I lost most of my respect for Kaysar after the button episode. That was the single most stupid move by what was perceived to be a “smart houseguest”. Come to think of it, it was probably the single most stupid move period…

He can somewhat redeem himself if he back-doors Will. So lets hope that he is not as stupid as he had shown himself to be in the past.

[Mikkel_Knight]

Come to think of it, it was probably the single most stupid move period…

Uh... are you forgetting about Marcellas and his Veto-power non-veto?

Kaysar's transgressions don't even come close to the complete and total screw up Marcellas made...

[TR7spyder]

Uh... are you forgetting about Marcellas and his Veto-power non-veto?

Kaysar's transgressions don't even come close to the complete and total screw up Marcellas made...

No, I do remember that, equally stupid move. However:

1. Giving up an HOH is bigger than not using POV. Not only do you jeopardize yourself, you have no control over who gets nominated (so it could have been someone from Jaysar's alliance). Thus, he was screwing his entire team!

2. I do not think that anyone has even given Marcellas much of a chance of winning this thing. Kaysar, on the other hand, was voted-in as one of the most favorite contestants. So in that context, it made things even worse.

[Dnamertz]

No, I do remember that, equally stupid move. However:

1. Giving up an HOH is bigger than not using POV. Not only do you jeopardize yourself, you have no control over who gets nominated (so it could have been someone from Jaysar's alliance). Thus, he was screwing his entire team!



Easy for you sitting on your couch to call it "giving up HOH". You try standing in one place with your finger pressing a button for 15 hours straight, and then tell me it was stupid of you to make a deal because you finally couldn't take it anymore. Do you honestly think Kaysar said "I can stand here for ANOTHER 15 hours but I think I'll give up and make a deal with the enemy instead"?

[SuperZippy]

I disagree. He has repeated to Will and Mike that this was not an alliance--just an understanding. And listening to Will and Mike in the diary room, you know that they want Kaysar out right now.

Kaysar doesn't deserve to win. In fact, he deserves Will or Mike to win HOH next week and then say "I nominate Kayar for eviction" It's only fair. He doesn't seem to learn from his past mistakes and keeps making them again and again. He's a NOT winner.


Hairy

haven't seen this episode, but you are right..

kaysar is already a 2 time loser, should have never been on the show...

[SuperZippy]

Well, I am so happy, since I am the rare BB fan who HATES the BB6 folks (with the exception of James, who's backing away from them. He must see what is going on there and that eventually someone will gun for them). How could Kaysar NOT nominate Will and Boogie? I agree, that IS the dumbest move he made since the button last season. This might be their only chance to get rid of them, and he blew it. But I'm glad. I've had enough of Kaysar and his smug attitude and Howie acting like a 10 year old spoiled kid. I agree with Will, he is SO annoying. I loved Will just busting on him about his forehead!!! Janelle is laying a bit lower this year...does she see that the BB6 alliance could be something she might want to distance herself from? If she does, then I might actually like her.

i agree with all of this, except for janelle....way too fake for me...

[Steveknj]

Precisely! Why are Diane and Nikomis are even considered "floaters" if Mike and Will are not?

I lost most of my respect for Kaysar after the button episode. That was the single most stupid move by what was perceived to be a “smart houseguest”. Come to think of it, it was probably the single most stupid move period…

He can somewhat redeem himself if he back-doors Will. So lets hope that he is not as stupid as he had shown himself to be in the past.


Let's hope he IS as stupid as he has shown himself and keeps things the way they are. Kaysar is BB6ers worst enemy. It would be a smart play for Janelle and James, who I think ARE smart players to distance themselves from Howie and Kaysar who are NOT. Remember how much better Janelle played last year (and she was almost likable) once Kaysar and Howie were gone?

[Mikkel_Knight]

Remember how much better Janelle played last year (and she was almost likable) once Kaysar and Howie were gone?
Was it a factor of Janelle, or (IMO more likely) was it a factor of the "nerd-herd" being all kinds of self-righteous and holier-than-thou that made Janelle seem like the much better person...

[Skittles]

Was it a factor of Janelle, or (IMO more likely) was it a factor of the "nerd-herd" being all kinds of self-righteous and holier-than-thou that made Janelle seem like the much better person...Agreed.

In fact, the only reason Janelle suddenly became a better game player after James and Howie were gone is because she was the last Sovereign in the game at that point and was going up against the Nerd Herd, so she HAD to start playing hard then. It was either that, or get booted out of the house quickly. And even then, playing harder only bought Janelle an additional one week after Howie was gone.

Granted, the numbers were against her and she was doomed regardless, but let's be fair. The only reason Janelle suddenly became such a great player isn't because Howie/James were dragging her down before. It was because, with Howie and James gone, she was truly alone in that house.

[Steveknj]

Agreed.

In fact, the only reason Janelle suddenly became a better game player after James and Howie were gone is because she was the last Sovereign in the game at that point and was going up against the Nerd Herd, so she HAD to start playing hard then. It was either that, or get booted out of the house quickly. And even then, playing harder only bought Janelle an additional one week after Howie was gone.

Granted, the numbers were against her and she was doomed regardless, but let's be fair. The only reason Janelle suddenly became such a great player isn't because Howie/James were dragging her down before. It was because, with Howie and James gone, she was truly alone in that house.

But Janelle showed that she CAN be a great player without the other two, and it's possible, that she could try and distance herself from Howie/Kaysar is she sees that ship sinking.

Regarding the Nerd Herd, while they were self righteous, the Sovereign were just plain mean and vindictive, so why is that better than what the Nerd Herd was? In fact, I've always felt Kaysar was about as self-righteous as anyone on the Nerd Herd, and not nearly as smart. Anyway, that was last year. I'm getting the feeling that Kaysar and Howie and to some extent Janelle, feel that they might be "controlling" the game and it's why they felt that they could let Will/Boogie ride another week. I just don't see the others ganging up on them like they should. I think this is why Kaysar felt he could make a deal with them as he felt that since nobody is going after them now, they could pick off the others before they do. But Kaysar isn't paying attention to Will's history of lying to people's faces. You KNOW that Will and Boogie will go after the BB6ers at the first opportunity. What I forsee is, if they get HoH...

Chilltown making a deal with James to have him come over, then going after Janelle/Howie....

They didn't show it, but did Janelle and Howie buy into Kaysar's strategy or did they really want to go after Chilltown?

[pmyers]

Will and Howie's realtionship took an ugly turn. I agree with James when he asked if it could go back to being fun ;)

[hefe]

Will and Howie's realtionship took an ugly turn. I agree with James when he asked if it could go back to being fun ;)
Really. Hurricane Howie needs to dial it back a bit. Will is firing back now because Howie is so relentless, and he's smart enough to hit him where it hurts.

I do think Howie is doing it for show, to be funny on camera, and a lot of it is. But like when he went off on April last year, it can be too much.

[Rkkeller]

Will is just tearing Howie to shreds and shutting him up. One time it looked like Howie didn't know what to say back and just shut up. I don't feel bad as Howie started all this himself.

[scottykempf]

Two words: Jack Shack

[Deekeryu]

Well, we'll see how this all turns out. I thought Kaysar should have nominated one of ChillTown and then one of Dianne/Nakomis to pit them against each other. Bad move Kaysar..

[KRS]

Well, we'll see how this all turns out. I thought Kaysar should have nominated one of ChillTown and then one of Dianne/Nakomis to pit them against each other. Bad move Kaysar..

At first, I thought this would be a good move - pit one side against another. But again, if you think of the aftermath, both sides would hold a grudge against Kaysar, and all he would have gained is one less houseguest.

Really, I think he did think it through, and decided to nominate the weaker of the small alliances (the stronger being Will and Boogie). Short of nominating harmless players like Chicken George, this was his safest move.

[Fool Me Twice]

Will is just tearing Howie to shreds and shutting him up.Only when edited for television. Will is the one getting frustrated because Howie is too stupid to know when he's outmatched and keeps up his same old schtick. Howie is relentless. Will fires 10 second salvos every other day or so.

[Droobiemus]

Really. Hurricane Howie needs to dial it back a bit. Will is firing back now because Howie is so relentless, and he's smart enough to hit him where it hurts.

You know how Kaysar was saying he was going to wait until he talks to a girl first before he decides if she's hot? I should've done that with Howie.

That dude needs to think before he speaks.

Though the Jedi thing *was* too hilarious.

I can't believe I never watched this show before. It's really addictive.

[darthrsg]

Will is just tearing Howie to shreds and shutting him up. One time it looked like Howie didn't know what to say back and just shut up. I don't feel bad as Howie started all this himself.
Will is no match for Howie, non stop over the top Howie will own Will. Never underestimate the power of the Force.

[kdelande]

You know how Kaysar was saying he was going to wait until he talks to a girl first before he decides if she's hot? I should've done that with Howie.

That dude needs to think before he speaks.

Though the Jedi thing *was* too hilarious.

I can't believe I never watched this show before. It's really addictive.
If you think the show is addictive, check out the 24/7 (or, not quite 24/7) feeds for the 2 week trial, you'll want to watch it all the time! You don't even see 1/20th of what goes on all day with the network show.

KD

[Dnamertz]

Regarding the Nerd Herd, while they were self righteous, the Sovereign were just plain mean and vindictive, so why is that better than what the Nerd Herd was?
They didn't show it, but did Janelle and Howie buy into Kaysar's strategy or did they really want to go after Chilltown?

The Nerd Herd was equally mean, and started the behavior first, but on top of that they acted like they were saints.