Not necesarily TiVo powered but interresting delayed and expensive

[herfmonster]

Although this product isn't TiVo powered I thought it might be of interest to the readers of the HDTV forum.

It's an article from the Sidney Morning Herald. This paper seems to have a lot of tech stories everyday.

Toshiba delays article (http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/toshiba-delays-sale-of-1st-hd-dvd-recorder/2006/07/13/1152637784068.html)

It's new, delayed release, and prohibitively expensive though. I however on the other hand seem to prefer the specs for Blu-Ray.

[JimSpence]

I'm not getting caught in any format war again. I went with Sony BetaMax format way back when and we know what happened to that. I'll let the dust settle before jumping on the HD-DVD bandwagon, if ever.

[willardcpa]

I'm with Jim, I'm just gonna sit here and listen to my eight track tapes until the dust settles. :cool:

[ebonovic]

I am still on the HD-DVD purely from the stance as the "marketing" aspect of it.

Sure the blue-ray is "technically" better in certain areas... but:

HD-DVD (High Definition) + DVD
Consumers know what those two things are and it just makes sense...

Blu-Ray..... Huh?
Add the larger price tag...

Besides, I am waiting for the HD-DVD add-on for the 360
And if Blu-Ray wins out... I am sure there will be a Blu-ray add-on for the the 360

[cheer]

I think HD-DVD has an advantage just because of their headstart, and of course the cheaper player available. I, however, am with the majority on this: sit out until the dust settles.

Unfortunately, it's beginning to look like there's a work-around solution. Why do I say unfortunately? Because this will only prolong the stupid format war. Still, I suppose this is better than a poke in the eye (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20060710/tc_nf/44344).

[herfmonster]

I'm not buying either format yet as well myself.

First off I simply cannot afford to be an early adopter.

Like I said before I prefer the specs of Blu-Ray over HDDVD. I like the higher capacity, projected support for quad layer discs, and the fact that more manufacturers and content providers seem to be on board with that format.

TDK recently announced that they have created a working Blu-ray disc capable of holding 200GB of data (six 33GB data layers).

Besides just think what Peter Jackson could do with a single 200GB removable disc. Thats large enough to hold all 3 extended versions of the LOTR trilogy in 1080p with room left over still for special features

[gquiring]

It's going to be a non issue soon enough, Ricoh announced a laser that can read and write HD-DVD and Blue- Ray. It won't take long for the rest of them to catch up.

http://news.com.com/2061-10801_3-6092194.html

[cheer]

It's going to be a non issue soon enough, Ricoh announced a laser that can read and write HD-DVD and Blue- Ray. It won't take long for the rest of them to catch up.

http://news.com.com/2061-10801_3-6092194.html
Hmm, sounds familiar!

:)

[aaronbca]

I am still on the HD-DVD purely from the stance as the "marketing" aspect of it.

Sure the blue-ray is "technically" better in certain areas... but:

HD-DVD (High Definition) + DVD
Consumers know what those two things are and it just makes sense...

Blu-Ray..... Huh?
Add the larger price tag...

Besides, I am waiting for the HD-DVD add-on for the 360
And if Blu-Ray wins out... I am sure there will be a Blu-ray add-on for the the 360

Honestly, Earl, I think it will boil down to who has the cheaper *discs* for the general public. Could go the other way if one or the other gets the marketing machine going, but I think the content pricing will win this one.

[newsposter]

why not just wait for the dual burner...then no one has to choose :)

[mr.unnatural]

I just saw an article in the latest issue of PC World that indicated Pioneer has a PC-based Blu-Ray DVD recorder for only $1000! Trouble is, the blank discs cost something like $35 and up IIRC.

Even if manufacturers start selling HD & BR DVD recorders at lower prices I don't see them flying them off the shelves until someone breaks the encryption scheme similar to what happened with CSS and standard DVDs. OTOH, if we are able to record HD broadcasts from satellite or OTA then recordable HD DVD formats may start looking quite attractive. In any case, the media prices will have to come down considerably before most people will jump on the bandwagon.

I was an early adopter with recordable DVDs but blank media wasn't anywhere near as expensive as the HD discs. I still don't buy dual-layer blank DVD media because I can get higher quality single layer discs for a fraction of the cost.

[rminsk]

IEven if manufacturers start selling HD & BR DVD recorders at lower prices I don't see them flying them off the shelves until someone breaks the encryption scheme similar to what happened with CSS and standard DVDs. DVDs and DVD players where flying off the shelfs long before the CSS encryption was cracked. DVD was the most quickly adopted consumer format ever.

[cheer]

He's talking about PC-based recorders, not standalone players.

[Dssturbo1]

Although this product isn't TiVo powered I thought it might be of interest to the readers of the HDTV forum.

It's an article from the Sidney Morning Herald. This paper seems to have a lot of tech stories everyday.

Toshiba delays article (http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking-news/toshiba-delays-sale-of-1st-hd-dvd-recorder/2006/07/13/1152637784068.html)

It's new, delayed release, and prohibitively expensive though. I however on the other hand seem to prefer the specs for Blu-Ray.
$3500 and intended for Japan only.

[herfmonster]

Like I said prohibitavely expensive $3500+round trip airfare to Japan. Plus not available yet Like the series 3

[Dssturbo1]

if available and if you went to japan and brought it back here it would not work on our systems so you would have a nice big paperweight and alot of frequent flyer miles.

[herfmonster]

if available and if you went to japan and brought it back here it would not work on our systems so you would have a nice big paperweight and alot of frequent flyer miles.

Why? Are Japanese broadcasts in PAL?

Out of curiosity, is there a HD equivalent for PAL?

[newsposter]

anyone know if this universal player is still on?

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=16562

and wait until the dual burner comes out

[herfmonster]

Which also makes me wonder aside from region codes why wouldn't it work?

For example...I own a pair of Technics SL1210MK2s these turntables were never intended for the American market and never officially offered for sale by Technics here, but you could get them. I paid $50 extra a-piece for them because the SL1200MK2s were silver and I thought the 1210s were the only way to get black ones at the time. The 1210s did kinda sound funny for about the first 15 minutes I had them set up until I realized they ship with the power input switched to 220v@50hz. once I realized that I took the platters off and turned the selector switch to 110v@60hz with a screwdriver. The 1200s and 1210s are definately the standard in professional DJ turntables. Anyone who makes a pro turntable will always have theirs compared to them. mine have worked flawlessly ever since with the exception that Ortofon cartrages have a tendancy to push the connector pins into the tonearm and I switched back to Stanton headshells.

[cheer]

Why? Are Japanese broadcasts in PAL?

Out of curiosity, is there a HD equivalent for PAL?
Nope...ATSC. And I can't imagine why it wouldn't work, either.

[Dilerium]

Besides, I am waiting for the HD-DVD add-on for the 360
And if Blu-Ray wins out... I am sure there will be a Blu-ray add-on for the the 360

Why do you think that there would be a Blu-ray add-on for the 360? I really doubt that will happen since Blu-ray is a Sony product and Sony has their own high-def game system coming out. They won't license BR to other manufacturers. Isn't that the main reason that the technically superior Beta format lost to VHS? Sony wouldn't let anyone else build Beta VCR's.

[cheer]

Sony wouldn't let anyone else build Beta VCR's.
That's not even remotely true.

[rminsk]

I really doubt that will happen since Blu-ray is a Sony product and Sony has their own high-def game system coming out. They won't license BR to other manufacturers.Blu-ray was developed by a collection of tech firms known as the Blu-ray Disc Founders group. The group includes 20th Century Fox, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita Electric Industrial (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, Sony, TDK, and Thomson. The group was spearheaded by Sony.

The new group is called the Blu-ray Disc Association and it's board of directors is Apple Computer, Dell, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita Electric Industrial (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK, Thomson, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney Pictures, and Warner Home Video Inc. The Blu-ray Disc Association has over 175 members.

I do not know why people keep spreading the misinformation that Blu-ray is a Sony only product. Blu-ray is a product of the Blu-ray Disc Association.

[TyroneShoes]

That's not even remotely true.
For a certain period of time, it certainly was true. But others did build Betas at times throughout the life cycle.

[cheer]

For a certain period of time, it certainly was true. But others did build Betas at times throughout the life cycle.
I don't disagree -- just refuting the assertion that Sony's alleged unwillingness to let others make Beta machines is what killed Beta. (In fact, Sony was trying to sell JVC and Matsushita on the Beta format before the first machine shipped.)