Pimp My Ride on MTV uses the TiVo name like Kleenex! [Text View]

TiVophyte

07-07-2006, 05:24 AM

Hey all,

So, I was watching the new 'Pimp My Ride' episode, which aired tonight at 10 pm, my time. For those of you not familiar with the show, read the following paragraph. All others, skip it and go right to the next one.

"Pimp My Ride" is a show in MTV wherein a deserving viewers' dilapidated automobile is transformed into a thing of garish beauty, replete with body work, paint-job, flat-screens, and other customizations that make the auto's owner's dreams come true! It's actually not a bad show.

The latest episode involved a man who was using a converted van as an ice cream truck. Usually, the show hooks the deserving up with a pimped-out ride. And they did.

But today they committed a serious offense.

They claimed to put a TiVo in the car, when in fact, they only installed a run-of-the-mill DVR. On the show, they extolled the virtues of being able to rewind and pause live TV, and they used the word, "TiVo" at least six times.

They showed the main menu screen, and it was definitely not Tivo. The 'bar' at the bottom was... well, I could keep citing examples, but, suffice it to say, it wasn't TiVo, it was just a DVR.

They used the word TiVo the way the we all use the word Kleenex to mean facial tissue.

And this is not a good thing. If I ask for a Kleenex, I expect a Kleenex, not a wood chip lodged in my nose.

Stanley Rohner

07-07-2006, 01:05 PM

I didn't know anyone watched that show.

edubbrulez

07-07-2006, 01:06 PM

Yeah I noticed that too. Shame on Mad Mike!

Mamoth

07-07-2006, 01:12 PM

Honestly.. does it matter? They obviously were touting how awesome it was.. being able to pause live tv and such.. so it wasn't like they were bashing the product. 99% of the people at home watching probably didn't notice and/or didn't care. As far as I can tell, it was free positive advertisement for TiVo.

As far as everyone using the TiVo name as a noun and a verb and becoming a little more generic like Kleenex is to people (even if it's not a TiVo they are using but they are refering to it as being "TiVo'd")... you can't really stop that train from rolling in. It's already happening.... everywhere.

jsmeeker

07-07-2006, 01:51 PM

Mamoth

07-07-2006, 01:53 PM

It matters to TiVo, just like it mattered to Xerox and Kimberly-Clark. It wasn't free advertisement for TiVo because it wasn't a TiVo. When you say "TiVo", the folks at TiVo want you to think of an actual TiVo unit, not a generic DVR.
That's what I'm saying... it's kind of late to stop that train from moving forward. It's already happening. TiVo is the Kleenex of the 21st century... like it or not. :o

So, that's why I say, no harm no foul. Shrug.

Mavrick22

07-07-2006, 01:58 PM

In the thread below someone said that they refered to it as a high def directivo I wonder where they got that unit from for like has been said here it is not a real tivo and if it is high def and not tivo and also a Directv box could it be that they have a pre release of the HR20?

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=306631

jsmeeker

07-07-2006, 01:59 PM

That's what I'm saying... it's kind of late to stop that train from moving forward. It's already happening. TiVo is the Kleenex of the 21st century... like it or not. :o

So, that's why I say, no harm no foul. Shrug.

TiVo may see it differently. In the past, they have asked us to report this type of usage of the word in things like radio ads.

mr.unnatural

07-07-2006, 02:21 PM

rainwater

07-07-2006, 02:25 PM

TiVo may see it differently. In the past, they have asked us to report this type of usage of the word in things like radio ads.

Yes, but this wasn't an advertisement but a reality show. I'm pretty sure they aren't going to do anything about a bunch of shop guys using the word TiVo.

Mamoth

07-07-2006, 02:40 PM

TiVo may see it differently. In the past, they have asked us to report this type of usage of the word in things like radio ads.
If someone was advertising a TiVo and it wasn't a TiVo, then let TiVo know. But, in reality, you aren't going to bust some average Joes talking about a DVR as a TiVo.. just like 99% of the population already does.

You are talking about two different things... false advertising and people using a word in the "English" language as it wasn't really intended (just like Kleenex).

Mamoth

07-07-2006, 02:43 PM

cynthetiq

07-07-2006, 03:06 PM

interesting.. MTV owns lots of Tivos.... a few hundred in their main offices.

drew2k

07-07-2006, 07:23 PM

The term "Tivo" has apparently become a common name relevent to a particular type of consumer electronic device rather than a specific brand name. User's of this forum obviously feel otherwise since it happens to be a topic dear to our hearts but the fact remains that the majority of the public probably believes all DVRs are Tivos, much the same as all copiers are known as Xerox machines. We all know the term is technically incorrect when addressing a non-Tivo DVR but that fact escapes most of the population.I don't think Xerox counts as a good example anymore of a "current" product whose name is still misappropriated referring to a generic class of products. It definitely was inappropriately used around 15 years ago, but I can't think of anyone in my office in the last 15 years who has used Xerox to refer to a non-Xerox photocopier. It's simply "make a copy" and "copier", not "Xerox this" and "Xerox machine".

For that matter, I also don't know anyone under 40 who uses Kleenex to refer to tissue products, so this may be another example that is waning as an appropriated class name.

Unfortunately, examples of other misapprpriated brand names abound. For example, I can't think of anyone who uses the generic phrase "adhesive bandage" - instead everyone I know calls them all Band-Aids, even if it a Curad brand bandage.

As said previously, TiVo appears to be destined to be misappropriated in the 21st century, so I think TiVo is doing the right thing by strongly defending its brand. In this case, TiVo can't do much against Joe Schmo on the show, but it does underline that it will be an an uphill battle with the public.

Seriously, TiVo needs to start a public education campaign with some memorable catch phrase along the lines of, "It's not a DVR - It's a TiVo", or "If your DVR doesn't say TiVo on the front, you might as well still be using your VCR." Hey, The More You Know ... :)

ChuckyBox

07-07-2006, 08:22 PM

It wasn't free advertisement for TiVo because it wasn't a TiVo.
When referring to the product (not the company) it is improper to use the word "TiVo" as a noun. The proper way to refer to the product is as a "TiVo-brand DVR," as in the sentence "I was unable to acquire a TiVo-brand Series 3 digital video recorder on July 1st because the folks at TiVo were probably too busy getting erotic massages in the rumored TiVo executive massage lounge to worry about delivering new products to consumers in a timely manner."

TiVo will thank you to keep this usage in mind as you prepare your future message board posts.

drew2k

07-08-2006, 09:18 AM

When referring to the product (not the company) it is improper to use the word "TiVo" as a noun. The proper way to refer to the product is as a "TiVo-brand DVR," as in the sentence "I was unable to acquire a TiVo-brand Series 3 digital video recorder on July 1st because the folks at TiVo were probably too busy getting erotic massages in the rumored TiVo executive massage lounge to worry about delivering new products to consumers in a timely manner."

TiVo will thank you to keep this usage in mind as you prepare your future message board posts.From the last part of your first paragraph, I think your tongue was firmly planted in cheek, but just in case ...

If you look at TiVo's web site, you can see some inconsistency and find TiVo used as a noun in very prominent locations. Examples:

What is TiVo? (http://www.tivo.com/1.0.asp)

Answer:

Your TiVo® box, powered by the amazing TiVo® service, automatically finds and digitally records all of your favorite shows, every time they're on. Every episode of your favorite series. Every Coppola movie. Every home improvement program. Even Dora cartoons! Whatever you choose. All while you're out living life. Plus, only TiVo lets you watch your favorite shows any time, anywhere. So the heading refers to it as a noun, then it's an adjective ("TiVo box"), and then in the last sentence TiVo is again used as a noun.

If I was a first-time visitor to the site, I would have no hesitation thinking "TiVo box" and "TiVo" were equivalent, and would never think that the "TiVo" in the final sentence referred to anything but the box just being discussed. If that's not what TiVo Inc. wanted visitors to think, they should have used "TiVo Inc." in the last sentence, or "TiVo service", as used elsewhere on the site.

Bottom line, if TiVo's own web site is ocasionally ambiguous about what "TiVo" is, how can the public ever get it "right"? :o

cynthetiq

07-08-2006, 09:21 AM

For that matter, I also don't know anyone under 40 who uses Kleenex to refer to tissue products, so this may be another example that is waning as an appropriated class name.

actually there are lots of people in other countries that refer to tissues as kleenex, toothpaste as colgate, window cleaner as windex.

*YOU* may not know anyone...but they do exist.

drew2k

07-08-2006, 09:27 AM

actually there are lots of people in other countries that refer to tissues as kleenex, toothpaste as colgate, window cleaner as windex.

*YOU* may not know anyone...but they do exist.I didn't say they didn't exist, just that the usage was waning.

reh523

07-08-2006, 10:01 AM

But today they committed a serious offense.

They claimed to put a TiVo in the car, when in fact, they only installed a run-of-the-mill DVR. On the show, they extolled the virtues of being able to rewind and pause live TV, and they used the word, "TiVo" at least six times.

Build a Bridge.......... Get over it!

On the show, they extolled the virtues of being able to rewind and pause live TV

Yes because what they put in could.....

jfh3

07-09-2006, 06:30 AM

"If your DVR doesn't say TiVo on the front, you might as well still be using your VCR."

I like that one. :up: "Don't just settle for any DVR - get a Tivo!"

"You think you have a Tivo, but all you really have is a cable DVR. That's like seeing your lottery numbers come up the week you didn't buy a ticket. Bummer."

ZeoTiVo

07-09-2006, 10:13 AM

If someone was advertising a TiVo and it wasn't a TiVo, then let TiVo know. But, in reality, you aren't going to bust some average Joes talking about a DVR as a TiVo.. just like 99% of the population already does.

You are talking about two different things... false advertising and people using a word in the "English" language as it wasn't really intended (just like Kleenex).

TiVo incorporated asked for mention of usages of the word TiVo. They did not ask us to send information directly to their lawyers.

TiVo incorporated is just making good use of this board to get a feel for how the word TiVo is getting used. It is not a good thing to become the name for a category of products when you are working hard to differentiate your product as product of superior quality and thus worth a subscription.

When someone says they got a TiVo, I usually ask if they know about the MRV feature. This usually leads to a larger conversation that clearly delineates what a TiVo DVR can do vs. what the DVR they have can do. I think that distinction is very important to TiVo inc. and worth their time to follow up on as they come across generic usage of the word TiVo.

Send a letter to MTV about "Pimp My Ride" episode and now MTV is a bit more likely to be more specific in the future. Simple business practice.

ZeoTiVo

07-09-2006, 10:19 AM

Seriously, TiVo needs to start a public education campaign with some memorable catch phrase along the lines of, "It's not a DVR - It's a TiVo", or "If your DVR doesn't say TiVo on the front, you might as well still be using your VCR." Hey, The More You Know ... :)

You remind me of the classic Intel Inside ad campaign and the little tune they played in those commercials. How important did that ad campaign become as companies like Dell make decisions on going to an all AMD line or not?

I think a "TiVo inside" type campaign would be a great way to combine the idea of superior quality of a TiVo brand DVR along with the superior quality of a cable company DVR using TiVo brand software inside

GusMan

07-09-2006, 10:36 AM

"If your DVR doesn't say TiVo on the front, you might as well still be using your VCR." Hey, The More You Know ...
I like that one... Of course, now they cant/wont use it without having to pay you royalties. :)

While I think corporations and their lawyers are the only ones that care about the noun-turning-into-a-verb dilema, it is something that its rather silly to debate. However, if they (PMR) were showing a non-Tivo DVR and calling it a Tivo, then they probably should be corrected - but I think it does not have to end up as a court case.

Yes, people have use the term "Tivoed" in conjunction with recording something. Of course, people here jumped on the cases of Tivo newbees who posts things like "I taped something last night on my Tivo." So, if nothng else, it is a step in the right direction. (Maybe??) It is just going to be one of those generic terms that gets used in our daily language.

Just like:
Kleenex - facial tissue
Xerox machine - copier (I still see the term "Xerox Room" used all the time in corporate settings.)
Coke Machine - Any machine used to dispense soft drinks.
Windex - Window cleaner.
PC - Personal Computer - a term coined by IBM many moons ago.
Palm - A term used for a handheld PDA or computer.
K&N - Any type of reusable, high-performance auto air filter. ("K&N Style")
Miracle-Gro - any kind of water soulable plant food.
Raid - any kind of bug killer.
Magic Eraser - a sponge type cleaner used to clean stuff with.

The list goes on and on...
Let's face it, good products that create a standard end up getting used as a generic term no matter how much the respective companies do not want that to happen.

At the same time, anything someone says that they have a Tivo, I ask about it. If they really dont have a Tivo, but another DVR, I do respectfully correct them. They may not understand the difference but at least I can try.

PhillyGuy

07-09-2006, 10:55 AM

I like that one... Of course, now they cant/wont use it without having to pay you royalties. :)

While I think corporations and their lawyers are the only ones that care about the noun-turning-into-a-verb dilema, it is something that its rather silly to debate. However, if they (PMR) were showing a non-Tivo DVR and calling it a Tivo, then they probably should be corrected - but I think it does not have to end up as a court case.

Yes, people have use the term "Tivoed" in conjunction with recording something. Of course, people here jumped on the cases of Tivo newbees who posts things like "I taped something last night on my Tivo." So, if nothng else, it is a step in the right direction. (Maybe??) It is just going to be one of those generic terms that gets used in our daily language.

Just like:
Kleenex - facial tissue
Xerox machine - copier (I still see the term "Xerox Room" used all the time in corporate settings.)
Coke Machine - Any machine used to dispense soft drinks.
Windex - Window cleaner.
PC - Personal Computer - a term coined by IBM many moons ago.
Palm - A term used for a handheld PDA or computer.
K&N - Any type of reusable, high-performance auto air filter. ("K&N Style")
Miracle-Gro - any kind of water soulable plant food.
Raid - any kind of bug killer.
Magic Eraser - a sponge type cleaner used to clean stuff with.

The list goes on and on...
Let's face it, good products that create a standard end up getting used as a generic term no matter how much the respective companies do not want that to happen.

At the same time, anything someone says that they have a Tivo, I ask about it. If they really dont have a Tivo, but another DVR, I do respectfully correct them. They may not understand the difference but at least I can try.

I agree. Very soon Tivo is going to become a nontrademarkble term based on widespread usage to define a particular class of products (namely personal DVRs) and the act of using such a device. This is precisely what has happened to Google this week. The term google is now defined as a verb by the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

Mamoth

07-09-2006, 11:40 AM

Yep.. exactly what I was saying... in not so many words.

Mamoth

07-09-2006, 11:56 AM

TiVo incorporated asked for mention of usages of the word TiVo. They did not ask us to send information directly to their lawyers.

TiVo incorporated is just making good use of this board to get a feel for how the word TiVo is getting used. It is not a good thing to become the name for a category of products when you are working hard to differentiate your product as product of superior quality and thus worth a subscription.

When someone says they got a TiVo, I usually ask if they know about the MRV feature. This usually leads to a larger conversation that clearly delineates what a TiVo DVR can do vs. what the DVR they have can do. I think that distinction is very important to TiVo inc. and worth their time to follow up on as they come across generic usage of the word TiVo.

Send a letter to MTV about "Pimp My Ride" episode and now MTV is a bit more likely to be more specific in the future. Simple business practice.
It's a losing battle. Never going to stop it and stupid to argue and think they can. Just like all the examples already listed in this thread.

ChuckyBox

07-09-2006, 03:15 PM

It's a losing battle. Never going to stop it and stupid to argue and think they can. Just like all the examples already listed in this thread.
They don't do it because they think they can stop it, they do it because they have to make the effort. If they don't make an effort to protect their brand, they could lose their exclusive right to it -- which means that their competitors could legally call their DVRs "TiVo." This isn't just some wildly paranoid and exaggerated what-if scenario, it is a well-trodden area of corporate law with a substantial body of case law and precedent.

When TiVo becomes aware of a misuse of their trademarks in the mass media, their lawyers will send a letter, just like any other company with valuable brand property.

ZeoTiVo

07-09-2006, 07:32 PM

It's a losing battle. Never going to stop it and stupid to argue and think they can. Just like all the examples already listed in this thread.

according to you TiVo inc. should never do anything to defend its patents or trademarks. :rolleyes:

tubsone

07-09-2006, 07:40 PM

WHAT?!?!?........What's all this talk about MY Tivo!

Mamoth

07-09-2006, 10:09 PM

according to you TiVo inc. should never do anything to defend its patents or trademarks. :rolleyes:
Laf... I never said that. Not once.. but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I appreciate it.

I am saying that no matter who are you.. even if you are TiVo.. you are not going to stop folks from calling their DVR a TiVo. Plain and simple.

Everyone else seems to get it... wonder why you don't.. :rolleyes: Oh wait.. I do know. Yet another post made by ZeoTiVo worshipping TiVo when no one is even attacking them. Go figure.

ZeoTiVo

07-10-2006, 07:18 AM

Laf... I never said that. Not once.. but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I appreciate it.

I am saying that no matter who are you.. even if you are TiVo.. you are not going to stop folks from calling their DVR a TiVo. Plain and simple.

Everyone else seems to get it... wonder why you don't.. :rolleyes: Oh wait.. I do know. Yet another post made by ZeoTiVo worshipping TiVo when no one is even attacking them. Go figure.

in the thread on the thumbs up and down you said TiVo should just let it go. In this thread you said again that TiVo should let it go. I think a review of your posts would show a MUCH stronger bias than a review of my posts. Have fun with that :rolleyes:

PS others in this thread also say TiVo should work to retain its brand and continue to point out that TiVo is a brand and not a noun. Thus another inaccurate statement in your post.

Mamoth

07-10-2006, 08:30 AM

in the thread on the thumbs up and down you said TiVo should just let it go. In this thread you said again that TiVo should let it go. I think a review of your posts would show a MUCH stronger bias than a review of my posts. Have fun with that :rolleyes:
Try rereading what I said. I never once said for TiVo not to defend their rights. Hell, I even said they should when someone falsly said something was a TiVo and wasn't in advertising. Nor did I say TiVo should not defend it's right when someone used their name... The only thing that came close was this:

"It's a losing battle. Never going to stop it and stupid to argue and think they can."

I was talking about people trying to argue it... in this thread. It's stupid. Then you come along, with another one of your "TiVo is god, they can do anything, I lick TiVo's feet" type threads... once again.

Try the 4th grade.. and don't read between the lines and put words in people's mouths. Have fun with that... I know it'll be impossible for you.

PS others in this thread also say TiVo should work to retain its brand and continue to point out that TiVo is a brand and not a noun. Thus another inaccurate statement in your post.
They said they agree with their ability to protect their property. I agree with that too. What I said, and I continue to say, for the last time is:

No matter how much TiVo tries, no matter how much you try, no matter how much I would try... people are going to call their DVRs a TiVo whether you or anyone else likes it or not.

You want me to go through all your posts and find out each time you went to bed with TiVo and the amount of times you didn't side with them? Since you are so animate about me going through my own posts while you try to put words in my mouth. I bet the numbers would be staggering. So lay off. Pot, meet kettle. Sheesh. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I hope that is clear enough for even you.. but I doubt it as you'll come back with another TiVo loving post and how I said something that was never remotely mentioned.

ZeoTiVo

07-10-2006, 11:31 AM

now you are looking just plain silly and obviously showing you just want to bash me. Thanks for doing my work for me of showing your complete lack of credibility.

Mamoth

07-10-2006, 11:37 AM

now you are looking just plain silly and obviously showing you just want to bash me.
I don't want to bash you. But when I say something 4 times and someone still doesn't get it (and continues to put words in my mouth), you'd think they didn't graduate high school either. So don't get on your high-horse when you've done the same thing in numerous threads in the past. Hypocritical... it just proves how thick headed towards TiVo you really are. Thanks for proving my point about you over the course of two threads now.

Thanks for doing my work for me of showing your complete lack of credibility.
You've done it for me on a number of occasions with your TiVo loving hypocritical posts. And once again you miss the boat altogether. Good job. :rolleyes:

Talk about losing credibility. No one can really take your posts with more than a grain of salt with the way you spin things towards TiVo's benefit. No matter the topic. That is just the plain truth.

ZeoTiVo

07-10-2006, 11:43 AM

I don't want to bash you.
and then you bash the **** out of me in the very next sentence.
...... you'd think they didn't graduate high school either. So don't get on your high-horse when you've done the same thing in numerous threads in the past. Hypocritical...

You've done it for me on a number of occasions with your TiVo loving hypocritical posts. And once again you miss the boat altogether. Good job.

but still way better bashes from the post just above it
Then you come along, with another one of your "TiVo is god, they can do anything, I lick TiVo's feet" type threads... once again.

Try the 4th grade.. and don't read between the lines and put words in people's mouths. Have fun with that... I know it'll be impossible for you.

You want me to go through all your posts and find out each time you went to bed with TiVo

I hope that is clear enough for even you.. but I doubt it as you'll come back with another TiVo loving post and how I said something that was never remotely mentioned.

perhaps by simply quoting you it will be clearer to you

Mamoth

07-10-2006, 11:47 AM

I said I don't want to bash you... not that I didn't bash you. Sheesh man. Read! That is your basic problem here... you read but don't think about what you've read.

I thought me saying it 4 times, once in bold, would help you understand it.. but I guess not. You still want to come and twist things how you perceive them and then expect people to just take your side when nothing you say was even remotely close to what was meant.

You are the one that got in it with me with your post by putting words in my mouth and then you tell ME I don't have credibility. Here.. let me quote it for you so you remember:

according to you TiVo inc. should never do anything to defend its patents or trademarks. :rolleyes:

Again, I never said that.. but you had to have your 15 min of fame.. once again.. defending TiVo. What really gets me is you bash people all the time in past posts.. but bitch when you get the same treatment. The second someone says they are leaving TiVo or that something else is better, you are on their case like white on rice.

ZeoTiVo

07-10-2006, 01:05 PM

I said I don't want to bash you... not that I didn't bash you. Sheesh man. Read! That is your basic problem here... you read but don't think about what you've read.

well then if you don't want to bash me then why do you bash me. If you could come to a decision on either simply responding to the debate or just go for bashing it would help make your posts easier to read.

TiVo Troll

07-10-2006, 01:05 PM

After visiting and posting at TiVo Coffee House for awhile now I realize two things:

#1. I don't use TiVo in the typical way most frequent Forum posters do.

#2. I don't dislike TiVo even though I don't use it the way its designers envisioned but I do disagree strongly with the views of some frequent TiVo Forum posters.

MickeS

07-10-2006, 02:57 PM

Just like:
Kleenex - facial tissue
Xerox machine - copier (I still see the term "Xerox Room" used all the time in corporate settings.)
Coke Machine - Any machine used to dispense soft drinks.
Windex - Window cleaner.
PC - Personal Computer - a term coined by IBM many moons ago.
Palm - A term used for a handheld PDA or computer.
K&N - Any type of reusable, high-performance auto air filter. ("K&N Style")
Miracle-Gro - any kind of water soulable plant food.
Raid - any kind of bug killer.
Magic Eraser - a sponge type cleaner used to clean stuff with.

OK, who are all these people? Why would anyone use a brand name to describe a product, if the product is not that brand? I guess it's the same people that order "a Sprite coke". :D

I have talked to a few people that said "TiVo" when they meant their cable DVR. TiVo needs to be vigilant about this.

MickeS

07-10-2006, 03:01 PM

I said I don't want to bash you... not that I didn't bash you.

You were forced to by whom?

TiVo Troll

07-10-2006, 05:53 PM

OK, who are all these people? Why would anyone use a brand name to describe a product, if the product is not that brand? I guess it's the same people that order "a Sprite coke". :D

I have talked to a few people that said "TiVo" when they meant their cable DVR. TiVo needs to be vigilant about this.

Has anyone gone to the crapper (http://www.plumbingworld.com/historythomas.html) lately?

davezatz

07-10-2006, 05:58 PM

Has anyone gone to the crapper (http://www.plumbingworld.com/historythomas.html) lately?
When I carried concrete block and dug holes on a masonry crew, we used the crapper. When working with former military guys we hit the head or john. In my current white collar work environment, we excuse ourselves to the restroom or facilities if we say anything at all. Hm.

Personally, I think TiVo will both enjoy free advertising from this episode and will send a letter to show intent in protecting their trademark. Win-win and everyone on the board is right. ;)

EDIT: I do wonder what DVR was in the show. It looked somewhat like the LG/MS one, but they said it records HD...

TiVo Troll

07-10-2006, 06:56 PM

EDIT: I do wonder what DVR was in the show. It looked somewhat like the LG/MS one, but they said it records HD...

LG made a HD DVR a few years ago, plus the best HDTV tuner (http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/LGLST-4200AHD-DVR.php) ever made. Both, as well as the ATSC/QAM tuner/DVD player also mentioned, are now discontinued.

Oh, and Sony made one (http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_DHG_HDD500/4505-6474_7-31155752.html?tag=pdtl-list) too!

newsposter

07-11-2006, 07:49 AM

if you liked pimp my ride..may i suggest Pinks on Speedtv, Fast inc on mtv, and unique whips

minorthr

07-11-2006, 08:00 AM

if you liked pimp my ride..may i suggest Pinks on Speedtv, Fast inc on mtv, and unique whips

I'm not big into racing but I think Pinks its a pretty good show.

newsposter

07-11-2006, 10:02 AM

it's actually a gold star this month too! I love how they obviously are such whiny girls at times...wahhhh...he was holding back ...he brought a 10 second car when i had a 13 here.

funniest yet was when the riceburner broke an axle because they kept the stock one while putting 1 trillion dollars in the rest of the car..nice.

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Is LG its own company or does it get stuff from somewhere and put the name on it? I got my new sears AC and swear it said LG on the side of the box.

TiVo Troll

07-11-2006, 10:10 AM

Is LG its own company or does it get stuff from somewhere and put the name on it? I got my new sears AC and swear it said LG on the side of the box.

About LG (http://www.lge.com/about/main.jhtml)

minckster

12-06-2006, 05:22 AM

For that matter, I also don't know anyone under 40 who uses Kleenex to refer to tissue products, so this may be another example that is waning as an appropriated class name. What the heck do they call it? Facial tissue? You little whipper snappers, it's kleenex dammit!! :p I'm over 40 and I've never heard anyone use the term "facial tissue" except on commercials.

drew2k

12-06-2006, 07:16 AM

It's simply "tissue" or "tisssues". Examples:

Do you have any tissues?
Where are the tissues?
These tissues are like sandpaper.
We're almost out of tissues.
That was the last tissue.
We need to buy more tissues.

etc.

:)

classicX

12-06-2006, 07:30 AM

ZeoTiVo

12-06-2006, 08:16 AM

There is nothing that TiVo can do about it. If you don't like it, tough luck.
actually kleenex is not in as widespread a use as it used to be. A lot of people now use tissue again and Kleenex is obviously still seen as a brand name for a quality tissue. I think TiVo inc can and will do things to keep their brand identity as well. The original (old) post from Pimp my ride is not a bad one as it did not really go into the more specific features, but anyone that says they have a TiVo I ask how they like the MRV feature and soon discover if they have an actual TiVo or a cable company DVR or perhaps a newer Cable company DVR as if they have some kind of MRV I then ask about TiVoToGo :)

I notice a lot more people I speak to are already aware of the distinction between TiVo as a brand and DVRs in general as well.