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greg_burns

07-05-2006, 06:37 PM

Anybody every report a TiVo stolen before? I did a month ago, yet it is still listed under manage my account as "Lifetimed Service", "Transfers Allowed", etc.

It really bugs me this creep (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=299285) may still have the use of my Lifetimed S2 (or may try to sell it). Tivo customer service tells me they would look into it, but they told me they could not reveal the outcome due to privacy reasons.

People suck.

Indeed. :mad:

ZeoTiVo

07-05-2006, 06:46 PM

send an email to TiVoOpsMgr. He may be able to tell you more without breaking any privacy rules. A CSR or even his supervisor is going to stick strictly to the script answer on something as prone to backfiring on them as that one

greg_burns

07-05-2006, 06:54 PM

I've been pretty mum about this for the last month because, well for two reasons...

#1 I was an idiot for trusting someone on the internet :eek:

#2 I thought I could recover it myself, vigilante style over the 4th.

Almost worked. After a road trip, I went to the house where I sent it. He no longer lives there, but some releative did and she squeeled on him. Now I have a working number and another address. I should probably just let it go as a leason learned, but this has been eating at me for too long now...

pad77

07-05-2006, 08:22 PM

If its still under your account name and password then using "Online Scheduling" fill up his hard drive by remotely scheduling 10 shows a day on random channels. You can remotely over ride any recordings that he has setup.

Pick good shows like "Judge Judy", "Justice Files", "Cops", "Judge Mills Lane and "Judge Joe Brown".

greg_burns

07-05-2006, 08:29 PM

lessd

07-05-2006, 09:59 PM

Unfortunately, no. When you sell someone a Tivo they put it in their name. It just still shows up under my account because I am the original owner. But I cannot change anything about it. It just taunts me. :(

You have to get a police report of this theft and send it to tivo and maybe they will xfer the lifetime back to you on another TiVo.

TiVo can't do anything with some legal authority.

TiVo can't do anything about a sales dispute without a court order, take him to small claims court and get a judgment if you can.

The word stolen can mean many different things

greg_burns

07-05-2006, 10:13 PM

I had called the police deparment of where I sent the Tivo. They did not seem particularly interested in doing much more than knocking on his door to "scare some sense into him." The officer told me the "crime" actually took place in my home town since I mailed (via UPS unfortunately) it to him. USPS takes mail fraud pretty seriously, or so I've heard.

I guess I need to call my local police, but I suspect they will say the same; "what do you want us to do about it". I really didn't want to bother the police, since it such a petty issue. Although $300+ isn't exactly chump change.

Small claims court seems to be what I need to do, but don't know where to start.

BTW, it appears Tivo seems to be firm on their privacy stance for better or worse. :(

HotStuff2

07-06-2006, 08:32 AM

I had bought a TiVo Series2 to put in my GF's apartment while I stayed with her on the weekend. When we broke up, she refused to give it back, so I called TiVo and had them report it lost or stolen, and they marked it a such. A week later, she activated it and TiVo took it OFF my account, even with the notes on the account. TiVo said there's nothing they can do about it, and of course the police won't get involved in a domestic dispute. I ended up writing it off, since it was too much of a hassle otherwise. It didn't have lifetime (I was paying month-to-month) so no real loss for me. TiVo did credit the remainder of the gift subscription I had bought for it, though.

greg_burns

07-06-2006, 08:39 AM

lessd

07-06-2006, 11:00 AM

I would think Tivo would love to terminate the lifetime status on a Tivo. If he wants to reactivate it and start paying, so be it.

I think it is WAY too easy for someone to put one into their own account. Where's the checks and balances?

TiVo is not going to get involved in a he said/she said problems, the person who has possession of the TiVo owns it, TiVo would go nuts otherwise. I have sold lifetimes TiVos and just tell the person who bought it when they get the unit call TiVo and put in their account, works great. If someone broke into my home and stole a TiVo I would file a police report and still I don't know if TiVo would give me back the lifetime service on the unit, with monthly you would just have to cancel

greg_burns

07-06-2006, 11:57 AM

I have sold lifetimes TiVos and just tell the person who bought it when they get the unit call TiVo and put in their account, works great.

It does work great when you have a proxy like paypal covering your back. I was trading one tivo for another. Lesson learned I suppose.

ZeoTiVo

07-06-2006, 01:01 PM

yep. That is not stolen - but fraud. Seems like a small difference to the person who lost the TiVo but to a corporation they can not get involved and need a blanket policy to show they are not a party to any small claim.

so - if it was actually stolen, as in taken from your possession by force or burglary - then a police report of the same allows TiVo the blanket action of revoking or tracking service and handing that info to a proper authority.

if it was fraud - as you are now giving us the details, in your case it was. Then TiVo needs to not be involved and let regular legal channels work out the problem. Small claims court being the option here.
can you imagine the scammers licking their chops over the prospect of selling a lifetime TiVo and then being able to get TiVo to yank back the lifetime. :eek:

sorry for the loss.

greg_burns

07-06-2006, 01:16 PM

ACK

What is ironic is that a Tivo CR is the one who suggested I report it stolen to them. I was trying to get a phone number out of them (knowing full well they wouldn't do it, just grasping at straws).

TiVo_Fanatic

07-06-2006, 02:11 PM

He no longer lives there, but some releative did and she squeeled on him.
Hey man it's ****ed up that happened and I feel for ya because it almost happened to me once with a friend... but what do you mean she squeeled on him... I just find it funny you actually used the word squeeled...

greg_burns

07-06-2006, 02:34 PM

Hey man it's ****ed up that happened and I feel for ya because it almost happened to me once with a friend... but what do you mean she squeeled on him... I just find it funny you actually used the word squeeled...

Hey, I've been playing private detective for the last month. Gotta get into the lingo. Crazy the information you can find on somebody through the internet.

I just told the girl at the address I went to that I was an old friend. I had plenty of background details about him from the email correspondence we did. Knew where he worked (knew he was fired recently), mom's name, old home town, etc. She squeeled like a pig! I don't think he would have liked her giving up his new address and number. :D

lessd

07-06-2006, 03:28 PM

Small claims court is the only option for this type of fraud unless he has a pattern of this that you can prove then maybe you can interest an ADA but even if you did that would not get back your TiVo because it would spend a loooong time as evidence in a criminal case. After you win in court then you will have to get a sheriff to serve him if he can be found, then hope he has the TiVo on sight then hope you can get the $50 court cost and sheriff cost back WOW lots of work to get the bas****.

Been their done that & won but I am retired, with a full time job I don't think I would have taken it on. (My thing was not about a TiVo)

TiVo_Fanatic

07-13-2006, 03:08 AM

Havent heard anything in a week from ya just wondering how things turned out or you if at all...

greg_burns

07-13-2006, 01:11 PM

Havent heard anything in a week from ya just wondering how things turned out or you if at all...

Touché Andy. I liked how you renamed the account back while I am on the phone with Tivo. Nice touch.

I guess you and I will be doing small claims afterall.

Y-ASK

07-13-2006, 01:24 PM

I guess you and I will be doing small claims afterall.
Did I miss something? Is Tivo_Fanatic the guy who ripped you off?

Y-ASK

aztivo

07-13-2006, 01:30 PM

Touché Andy. I liked how you renamed the account back while I am on the phone with Tivo. Nice touch.

I guess you and I will be doing small claims afterall.
WTF is going on here???? is this right?

greg_burns

07-13-2006, 01:32 PM

WTF is going on here???? is this right?

Forum, say hello to Andy McNamara. Aka Cloudsbreak, aka TiVo_Fanatic.

Dan203

07-13-2006, 01:34 PM

I can confirm that TiVo_Fanatic and CloudsBreak are the same person.

Dan

aztivo

07-13-2006, 01:39 PM

Forum, say hello to Andy McNamara. Aka Cloudsbreak, aka TiVo_Fanatic.
so this is the guy who swindeled you??

gonzotek

07-13-2006, 01:42 PM

I can confirm that TiVo_Fanatic and CloudsBreak are the same person.

DanDoes that mean that since he's in violation of rule #11 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=217934) we won't be hearing his side of the story? Not that I doubt Greg for a second.11. Use of Multiple UserID’s is not Permitted – You have signed up with a user id, and that is the only one that should be registered. Posting under multiple userids will result in all userids being banned.

greg_burns

07-13-2006, 01:47 PM

we won't be hearing his side of the story?

How 'bout I post his phone number? :D

GoHokies!

07-13-2006, 01:57 PM

How about his address, and whoever is closer can go back and get it for you? ;)

That's pretty ballsy to scam someone on the site here, and then roll back in and post in this thread.

Frankenstien

07-13-2006, 01:57 PM

Very, not cool. :down: :(

Mavrick22

07-13-2006, 02:04 PM

How about his address, and whoever is closer can go back and get it for you? ;)

That's pretty ballsy to scam someone on the site here, and then roll back in and post in this thread.

How about we just have a meet at his house and then we can all show him what happens when you scam someone on here. ;)

This guy definetly gets :down: :down: :down: from me!

Frankenstien

07-13-2006, 02:12 PM

If he's close to North Carolina, I know some guys. :cool:

Dan203

07-13-2006, 02:19 PM

Does that mean that since he's in violation of rule #11 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=217934) we won't be hearing his side of the story? Not that I doubt Greg for a second.

Correct, both accounts have been banned. I originally gave him the benifit of the doubt and only closed the CloudBreak account. I thought that since hadn't used the CloudBreak account since signing up as TiVo_Fanatic, he may have just wanted a name change and went about it the wrong way. However after talking to Greg I realized he was a theif just trying to avoid getting found out.

Dan

GoHokies!

07-13-2006, 02:22 PM

Correct, both accounts have been banned.

That's actually dissapointing, I was looking forward to seeing him come back and try to justify this. ;)

Havana Brown

07-13-2006, 02:29 PM

How about we just have a meet at his house and then we can all show him what happens when you scam someone on here. ;)

Great, now this will get moved to the meets section. :rolleyes: ;) :D

Nice spy work Greg. I love stuff like this!

ChuckyBox

07-13-2006, 02:49 PM

If this were a Series 3 that the guy stole, I'd have no problem retrieving it for you, as I've been itching to kick some deserving person's ass and get my hands on an S3. Of course the box might take a slight detour to my house for a couple of months of testing, just to make sure it wasn't damaged, and such.

TiVo Troll

07-13-2006, 05:49 PM

Correct, both accounts have been banned. I originally gave him the benifit of the doubt and only closed the CloudBreak account. I thought that since hadn't used the CloudBreak account since signing up as TiVo_Fanatic, he may have just wanted a name change and went about it the wrong way. However after talking to Greg I realized he was a theif just trying to avoid getting found out.

Dan

Wow; ain't people something else sometimes!

"Hell is other people!"

Since Lifetime is defined as belonging to the box and not the owner, TiVo Inc. shouldn't have to sort out these awkward situations. Hopefully this situation will resolve itself decently unless Andy really is bad to the bone!

For Dan: :cool:
I checked the FAQ and there really doesn't appear to be a routine way to close an account at TiVo Community Forums. I've got another account which hasn't been used since before I lost my job and had to start hanging out under the bridge to the TiVo factory. Do I need to send you or the Administrator an email to close it?

Dan203

07-13-2006, 05:51 PM

As long as you're not actively using both accounts you should be OK.

Dan

greg_burns

07-21-2006, 10:17 AM

I thought I would post a warning to others that my good friend Andy (ebay alias morebloodwine (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=morebloodwine&iid=9725967607&frm=284&ssPageName=VIP:feedback:1:us)) still believes he can sell Tivos on ebay.

Item number: 220009129099

Feel free to ask him any questions you may have about what other Tivos he may have to sell. :rolleyes:

BTW, in case you are wondering. I was able to leave feedback because the SOB tried to sell (#9725967607) the Tivo he was suppose to be trading me. (The graphic is now different, but I have the original). I bid and won it. He never sent me my trade, and I never paid for the eBay one. He did an Unpaid Item Mutual Agreement :rolleyes: Which I promptly declined and prevents him from giving me a strike.

TiVo Troll

07-21-2006, 10:46 AM

greg_burns

07-21-2006, 10:49 AM

How does that (Forum blocked format ) Tiny URL.com/lfs5g work in a feedback comment?

Are you asking how to use it, or how did I get it into a feedback comment? (Links are not allowed in comments.)

Just type http:// in front of it. It is just a link back to this public thread.

TiVo Troll

07-21-2006, 11:04 AM

Are you asking how to use it, or how did I get it into a feedback comment? (Links are not allowed in comments.)

Just type http:// in front of it. It is just a link back to this public thread.

OIC. Thanks.

greg_burns

07-24-2006, 03:20 PM

Dang it! My negative feedback was removed because of the URL (and probably the phone # :D). I don't even get the chance to correct it. :rolleyes:

I can't win. Caveat emptor.

tunnelengineer

07-24-2006, 04:25 PM

Greg, I applaud your efforts. Too bad this scumbag can't find some jail time in the near future.

jfh3

07-24-2006, 05:54 PM

Caveat emptor.

Sadly, with eBay removing the negative feedback, there's less of a chance that can happen.

greg_burns

11-26-2006, 08:36 PM

On Nov 6 I decided to transfer my lifetime to my new S3. Feeling spiteful, I told the CSR I wanted to transfer the lifetime using this stolen Tivo's TSN. (It was no longer even in my name; Andy and I had played tug-o-war all summer with it and I lost). She says; "Sure, no problem." :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:

Now I know what you're all thinking, but damn it, he never paid for it. Screw him!

In 60 days I'll just cancel the service on the old box and put this all behind me.

And then, 4 days later, he pulls something that escalates this whole thing to a new level...

He lists it on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220047962240&rd=1&rd=1)!!! Another one of his idiotic private bidder, money orders only auctions. AND PEOPLE ARE BIDDING ON IT! Are people that stupid trusting? Don't answer that, he already took me in once. :o

Did he know I transferred the lifetime? Damn that 60 day wait. Why are they doing that?!? Wonder how many other times something similar to this is going to play out? You all see the problem here don't you? Somebody is going to get burned badly and now I'm a part of it. :mad:

Ebay will do nothing for me without a police case. Luckily, the auction runs its course without meeting the reserve. But he relists (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220051569581&rd=1&rd=1) it again. This gives me the time I need to act...

Armed with a photo, a phone number, an address, and emails I make another road trip to Andy's home town on Black Friday and visit the local police.

Problem solved. I have my Tivo back.

He had the gall to tell the officer it was practically worthless anyways, because "I had transferred the lifetime from the unit." That is a quote from the officer (who didn't even know what a Tivo was). That was when the officer shows Andy the printout I made from his own eBay auction where he was asking $550. Unbelievable! He knowingly was trying to sell this on eBay, fully aware by the time 60 days was up it would be too late for the winner to do much about it.

The officer did tell me what I already knew and was repeated here. The proper approach to this should have been me taking him to court and suing. Not really sure why the officer did what he did for me, but I thank him. I think he smelled a rat and did the right thing. :up:

And Andy, if you are reading this; hope you had a pleasant Thanksgiving holiday. ;)

painkiller

11-26-2006, 08:50 PM

Congratulations, Greg.

I'm glad to hear you finally got some measure of justice - AND your Tivo back.

What a trip this must have been for you.

GoHokies!

11-26-2006, 09:41 PM

That's awesome. :up: :up:

This world needs a lot more people that are a lot less willing to get screwed, put some of these scumbags out of business.

jmace57

11-26-2006, 09:48 PM

I just love a happy ending!

Good for you Greg.

Happy holidays amigo.

Jim

maharg18

11-26-2006, 09:57 PM

Wow that's quite a story.. Glad things worked out for you in the end.

cotton168

11-26-2006, 10:00 PM

Greg, I'm glad that you had a wonderful Turkey Day by screwing the guy who screwed you in the first place. Nice that the officer also went with you. Congrats on getting your TiVo back. :)

gastrof

11-27-2006, 12:17 AM

But...

You mean we don't get to hear about Andy being eaten alive by wolves?

I really wanted to hear he'd been eaten by wolves...

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8616/wolfeatingpreydk9.jpg

pktrekgirl

11-27-2006, 12:43 PM

I'm not any sort of regular poster here...but as someone who has been scammed on eBay before, I thank you very much for caring enough about this guy's potential victims to do something to stop this snake.

Good work!

ZeoTiVo

11-27-2006, 12:51 PM

Revenge is great as a cold leftover :up: Friday seemed like the right day to serve it

TiVo_Fanatic

01-02-2007, 11:28 PM

Ive been allowed back , but for how long I dont know... but I do know why I was allowed back , and that is to for lack of a better word to "air" a few things and address any questions and or concerns the TCF users may or may not have... as I told greg in an email Im on my way to work in a few but I wanted to bookmark this post... that aside id like to ask a few things to make this somewhat of an easy process...

1. Please get all "most" of your questions out now so that I may address them tomorrow when I am home / free from work... this includes any questions or concerns you may have greg that I didnt address via email...

2. Also, as I told greg I dont expect to not be flamed bec I know I will but please keep it to a minimum as I'm sure Dan doesnt want this getting to out of hand... so not out of respect for me but out of respect for the forums please keep flaming to a minimum / respectible lvl...

Also on a side note greg said something in the one email that I'd like to copy in here before I head out for work that to me shows he may be willing to live and let live / forgive to a point... if im wrong in my assumption then I am sorry but who knows maybe im just reading to much into what he said , I dunno... Anyway to get to the "quote"...

Quote :

I would welcome you to back to TCF and I'm sure everyone (including myself) is interested in your side of the story (if there even is one). It is a new year. This is all water under the bridge.

End Quote :

Anyway , not sure if it helps by me posting something greg said but as I said if I'm right in my assumptions it shows he is willing to forgive to a point... that aside I gotta go but I wana end this on a sm note for now... If greg , dan and others are satisfied with me remaining a member here after everythings been discussed then great and Ty , but if not then I guess I cant say more than I understand... either way ttyl guys and have a good new yr (ya I know its Jan 2nd lol)... anyway please get all questions out now so that they may be addressed tomorrow afternoon when I am home , Ty.

greg_burns

01-02-2007, 11:40 PM

I only have one question.

Why?

painkiller

01-03-2007, 02:47 AM

I have no interest in questioning you.

Hystyk28

01-03-2007, 04:03 AM

GoHokies!

01-03-2007, 05:09 AM

I only have one question.

Why?

After answering this, you can pretty much beat it. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm not interested in having you around. You can't honestly think that what you did was in any way justified. Especially coming into the thread and posting with Greg, acting like nothing happened. :down: :down: :down:

sshedlock

01-03-2007, 08:31 AM

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm not interested in having you around. You can't honestly think that what you did was in any way justified. Especially coming into the thread and posting with Greg, acting like nothing happened. :down: :down: :down:

/agree

Y-ASK

01-03-2007, 08:42 AM

#1. Have you always been an a$$ or is this dis-honesty a product of your surroundings?
#2. You committed fraud on someone through dis-honest practices, doesn't that bother you in least?

Comments:
Keep in mind it took a visit by the Police to correct your wrong doing, not any sort of remorse or personal responsibility from you. That speaks volumes to me and shows me you are not remorseful and not trustworthy.

Y-ASK

BillyT2002

01-03-2007, 09:54 AM

Tivo_fanatic... what went wrong in your childhood that made you such a ********? Is your stupidity and complete lack of human ethics and morals genetic or could something have been done to prevent it?

Seriously, what causes people to live their lives in a way as to choose to not do the right thing and is there a way to fix that or does it all boil down to human nature? If it's a fixable thing, then let's invest tax money to correct it for most citizens and if it's a human nature thing, then let's just enact a zero tolerance policy on it and export people like this to third world countries and give them no recourse for getting back. (I'd say kill them, but in the past few years I have decided that it is not right to take any life human or otherwise.)

davezatz

01-03-2007, 10:10 AM

I have no interest in questioning you.

Ditto.

ZeoTiVo

01-03-2007, 10:32 AM

not that he has to apologize to us, but I saw not one note of public apology or regret from him to Greg. Instead we get phrases like
"Also, as I told greg I dont expect to not be flamed bec I know I will "

whereas I think he should have written
Also, as I told greg I dont expect to not be flamed bec I know what I did was wrong and cost Greg a lot of time and grief

had he written in that vein I might have said let him tell his side in an attempt to be allowed back. Since he did not I also say :down:

ETA - read the emails greg posted after I did this post. All I saw was concern about saying anything that would make a case in court. So maybe that is why no apology but frankly that just speaks to a guilty conscience and I am still :down:

drew2k

01-03-2007, 10:40 AM

had he written in that vein I might have said let him tell his side in an attempt to be allowed back. Since he did not I also say :down::eek: Is the thumb REALLY the finger you wanted to extend?? :p

What I'm completely confused about is why TiVo_Fanatic ("Andy") was allowed back here in the first place. First, he stole. Then he violated forum policy be creating two accounts. Then he came here back here to rub it in Greg's face.

Tivo_Fanatic is is not worthy of being a TCF member.

BrandonSi

01-03-2007, 11:07 AM

Greatest. Thread. Ever.

greg_burns

01-03-2007, 11:20 AM

What I'm completely confused about is why TiVo_Fanatic ("Andy") was allowed back here in the first place.

Dan let him back on a temporariy basis becuase I asked him to. Andy emailed yesterday out of the blue.

I would not normally post private emails. But Andy certainly doesn't deserve that respect from me.

I want to hear his reason for his doing this. A simple "I thought I could get away with it" is good enough. It bugs me that there are people in the world who's minds work this way and I want to peer into one. It seems he wants to enlighten us/me in a public venue. I certainly have nothing to hide.

Quote : And Andy, if you are reading this; hope you had a pleasant Thanksgiving holiday.

---------------------

Just wanted to say Ty for the concern I did infact have a pleasant Thanksgiving... I hope you had a good one to and that it ended in a manner that made you smile... I would email you directly but I lost your email which is why I'm writing you like this... anyway ima go for now as I gotta work later but ttyl and Happy New Yr !

Ps : If you post this on tivo community please email me the link to the post , I'd like to see what comes of this and see what you and others have to say regarding me e-mailing you which at this point I'm sure you find very weird , Thx... ttyl & tc

Why did you do any of this? I was looking forward to that beer at the park. :(

Hey Greg, I do wana talk and maybe get some things out of the way but let me ask you one thing first... how do I know that your not gonna use anything I say to make a case for court ? Also besides the why , do you have anything else you'd like answered / addressed , all answers that depend on the answer to my question. Also if you want I will take this public to tivo community if you like , but that will requeire them to lift a ban on my TiVo_Finatic account... and not im not looking to come back to the community allthough it would be nice , I just figured you'd enjoy a little not so public humiliation of someone else , lol. As for why I'm laughing , even you I'm sure have noticed that in certain times of life you have to be able to laugh at things that arent so funny... anyway I'll get back to you depending on the answer(s) I get , so with that said I'll end this with a Ty for replying back and I hope you have a good day.

I have no intention of going to court anymore. I have my Tivo back and have wasted way too much money in the attempt to do so I might add. I just do not understand what I did personally to you to cause this. I would welcome you to back to TCF and I'm sure everyone (including myself) is interested in your side of the story (if there even is one). It is a new year. This is all water under the bridge. Do you think you were getting the short end of the deal? We both knew that, YOU were the one willing to trade a lifetimed 540 for a grandfathered S1 Tivo. Nobody twisted your arm. I even tried to make you aware of its value. Quote: 'I'm doing what I'm doing simply because I WANT to...'

I will PM Dan to lift your ban if you are serious and want to get something off your chest.

Well I want to be sure to clearly state everything so theres no misunderstandings... although there might be given the whole situation... but Ill need a bit to get my words together in the proper manner , i dont need time to make excuses the time is seriously to get my words together in the right manner... as for the welcoming back to the TCF and the whole my side and getting things off my chest... those are two seperate issues my side of the story being one but the whole welcoming back to TCF... that might not go so well for me but ya it would be nice... eBay chat / replies is limited so to carry this on further with longer messages will require me actually emailing you OR posting on TCF... so ill end this here and get my words together to address everything youve said / asked...

timckelley

01-03-2007, 02:45 PM

My question is: are you sorry for what you did? If you are, I'd think you'd want to give restitution to your victim. He'd've likely never spent $200 to transfer lifetime to a new TiVo were it not for your illegal theft. Add that to the costs of his multiple trips to your house to try to get the TiVo back. If you're sorry, you'd reimburse him. If you don't, you must not be sorry, and should therefore not care if he forgives you or not.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 04:29 PM

I only have one question.

Why?
Obviously no one agrees with what I did and they shouldnt bec yes what I... and yes I said I... but what I did was wrong... but to answer... You may not believe this and I cant blame you if you dont, but at first I did mail the granfathered S1 as we originally agree on in our deal that was supposed to have happened but didnt... anyway it came back to me as undeliverable , maybe I fudged a number or letter I dont know but it did come back to me as undeliverable... and then for whatever reason something "clicked" in my head and I just started wondering about other scenarios of how this could possibly play out... and I obviously chose the wrong one... Wether or not anyone believes this I had every honest intention to man to follow this through in the beginning but then when it came back I just wanted to see if as greg pointed out in a further down reply , if I could get away with it... I cant say what I did was right bec I know it wasnt but people do stupid things for stupid reasons even if they dont consider the consequences of their actions. I seriously doubt this means much of anything to anyone let alone greg and his family but I am sorry... also it wasnt the cop that fully 100% made me give the unit back it was alot of guilt among other things but the cop did play a major role in it.

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I have no interest in questioning you.Thats find and its up to you wether you do or dont , I didnt say anyone had to quesstion me , I
was just saying that if anyone does want to that I am here to try and answer said questions.

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You can't honestly think that what you did was in any way justified. Especially coming into the thread and posting with Greg, acting like nothing happened. :down: :down: :down:I'm not trying to act like nothing happened , I was allowed back on a temp basis to more or less get some things out and answer any questions users like you may or may not have... I wast coming in here trying to be buddy buddy with greg acting like nothing happened... and no I dont think what I did was justified in any way...

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#1. Have you always been an a$$ or is this dis-honesty a product of your surroundings?
#2. You committed fraud on someone through dis-honest practices, doesn't that bother you in least?

Comments:
Keep in mind it took a visit by the Police to correct your wrong doing, not any sort of remorse or personal responsibility from you. That speaks volumes to me and shows me you are not remorseful and not trustworthy.

Y-ASK1. No I have not always been like this no I cant say that it is a product of my surroundings bec I live in a remote area of Pa... It was just something stupid that I did , and wether ot nor anyone believes me yes I am sorry maybe not as much as I should be but I am sorry for putting greg and his family what I put them through on this whole ordeal.

2. Yes it does bother me , but like I said people do stupid things for stupid reasons and no im not trying to justify what I did in any way...

Comment : Obviously Im not trustworthy after what happened and I dont expect anyone to trust me for a long time if at all... but as for the police yes they did play a role in all this but giving the unit back did also have some guilt and remorse from me in it...

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Tivo_fanatic... what went wrong in your childhood that made you such a ********? Is your stupidity and complete lack of human ethics and morals genetic or could something have been done to prevent it?If anything went wrong in my childhood I cant recall it bec all i remember is have a great childhood if not anything else... as for the genetics thing or something that could have been done which would have prevented all this... I dont know... but yes something could have been done to prvent it , and that would have been me completing the original deal as promised... which i should have done but didnt...

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not that he has to apologize to us, but I saw not one note of public apology or regret from him to Greg. Instead we get phrases like
"Also, as I told greg I dont expect to not be flamed bec I know I will "

whereas I think he should have written
Also, as I told greg I dont expect to not be flamed bec I know what I did was wrong and cost Greg a lot of time and grief

had he written in that vein I might have said let him tell his side in an attempt to be allowed back. Since he did not I also say :down:

ETA - read the emails greg posted after I did this post. All I saw was concern about saying anything that would make a case in court. So maybe that is why no apology but frankly that just speaks to a guilty conscience and I am still :down:
Ok maybe I chose my words poorly but ya I do feel sorry for what I did and what I put greg through... if I didnt would I be here now answering / addressing peoples comments and or questions... short answer , no I wouldnt... but the fact that I am should show I am sorry and remorseful as youve put it... as for coming back to the TCF yes it would be nice but thats not even close to being one of the reasons as to why I am here now posting any of this... but yes I do also have a guilty conscience , who wouldnt after doing what I did. as for apologizing to greg your right I didnt in my original post or any of the emails but I am now... yes I am 100% and more sorry for what I did to him and his family... everyone has free will part of which is believing what people say and I'm not saying in anyway that anyone has to believe anything I am saying today but if its one thing that is true and from the heart its that I am sorry for doing what I did.

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What I'm completely confused about is why TiVo_Fanatic ("Andy") was allowed back here in the first place. First, he stole. Then he violated forum policy be creating two accounts. Then he came here back here to rub it in Greg's face.

Tivo_Fanatic is is not worthy of being a TCF member.1. I was allowed back on a temp basis to for lack of a better word "air" a few things... if the me being allowed back ends up being a permanent thing but with restrictions then fine... but me even coming close to being allowed back if at all is not why I'm here today posting things that I am posting... as for the two account thing... that was part of me "trying" to hide but at the same time me also wanting a better name than my previous.

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My question is: are you sorry for what you did? If you are, I'd think you'd want to give restitution to your victim. He'd've likely never spent $200 to transfer lifetime to a new TiVo were it not for your illegal theft. Add that to the costs of his multiple trips to your house to try to get the TiVo back. If you're sorry, you'd reimburse him. If you don't, you must not be sorry, and should therefore not care if he forgives you or not.1. Yes I am sorry for what I did...
2. Wether hed have spent or never spent the $200 to tranfer lifetime only he could answer that... but ya had I not done what I did then maybe he wouldnt have spent it , who knows...
3. Wether he forgives me or not is entirely up to him but I'd like to think he could be a forgiving person even if it does take til the end of time... in his own words he said to me that this is a new yr and its "water underthe bridge"
4. As for restitution , ya thats comething that could happen / work... but it would be a lengthy process as ive started a new job about a month ago and have to work all my bills out among other things...

As of now I believe I have addressed everything , and once again I am sorry for what happened... but that aside... greg you said in the one email that you were looking forward to that beer in the park well I was to and still am as strange as it may seem... but next summer when the weathers nice if you the wife and the kid(s) wana come down to the park here , I'll treat you guys to a day of fun in the park so long as I can get a day off of work when you wana do it if you even wana do it at all... and thats one thing you can hold me to , seriously...

ZeoTiVo

01-03-2007, 04:44 PM

Havent heard anything in a week from ya just wondering how things turned out or you if at all...

Hey man it's ****ed up that happened and I feel for ya because it almost happened to me once with a friend... but what do you mean she squeeled on him... I just find it funny you actually used the word squeeled... well now you have to account for these posts. So it was returned undeliverable and then you act all innocent while trying to find out if you will get caught. At any time you could have reshipped the TiVo but you clearly intended to rip off another member of the forum until you finally saw you could not get away with it. Forgiveness is one thing, repentence is entirely another. hard to buy you are now sorry.

Y-ASK

01-03-2007, 04:58 PM

How old are you? Your actions and writing style seem to indicate that you are probably under the age of 25 (I added a few years ;)) and/or not well educated...

Y-ASK

Redux

01-03-2007, 05:02 PM

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 05:06 PM

well now you have to account for these posts. So it was returned undeliverable and then you act all innocent while trying to find out if you will get caught. At any time you could have reshipped the TiVo but you clearly intended to rip off another member of the forum until you finally saw you could not get away with it. Forgiveness is one thing, repentence is entirely another. hard to buy you are now sorry.You right I could have re-shipped it and I didnt... and ya forgiveness is one thing compared to repentence... but I am sorry for what I did and what I put greg and his family through but the best I can do to explain those posts is me just being even more of an azz at the time...

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How old are you? Your actions and writing style seem to indicate that you are probably under the age of 25 (I added a few years ;)) and/or not well educated...

Y-ASKI'm as of now 25 yrs old I will be 26 on the 30th of august... and I might not be as well educated as others but I am educated... just maybe not to the same lvl as you or anyone else who most likely went to college when I did not... As for my writing style , its just how I am , its like a signature everyone has their own unique signature , well I have my own unique writing style...

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 05:09 PM

There are several people on this forum, longtime regulars, who have bragged about doing worse than what you did, or even advised others to do worse. There is no perfection.

A person can do better. He can simply _decide_ to do better.

I am not drawn to simplistic solutions, but that's all there is to it: do better.

Many people aren't willing to start, because they are so buried in the rubble of the bad things that they have done, they can't even imagine a better life. But that better life is there for you. Just decide to start now. Have an honorable day; do no harm, despite the opportunities. See, that was easy! Do it again tomorrow. Then again. Some days will be tougher because more temptations presents themselves but remember, you have a winning streak going.

You can't change what you have done, and you will never achieve perfection, but you can start to build a pattern of behavior to be proud of.

I wish you well.
Thats axactly what I wana do... do better... ya times may be troublesome but I am willing to try thats one thing I've always been "willing to try"... just not on all the things I should be... Im not saying I'm perfect in anyway Ill admit I have many flaws , buteither way I'm willing to try... but I con honestly say that since the incident between me and greg I havent done a single wrong thing... now wether or not anyone chooses to believe me is up to them but if its one thing Ive ever said thats true its that..

greg_burns

01-03-2007, 05:20 PM

As for my writing style , its just how I am , its like a signature everyone has their own unique signature , well I have my own unique writing style...

Yes you do. :) That is how I busted you with the two accounts to begin with.

I am not bitter. Glad to see you are fessing up to this. It is has been an adventure. I don't care about reimbursment. I am not feeling it in the least. I would have done the $199 transfer regardless. Just didn't want to do it with my only remaining lifetimed S2!

timckelley

01-03-2007, 05:23 PM

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 05:33 PM

Yes you do. :) That is how I busted you with the two accounts to begin with.

I am not bitter. Glad to see you are fessing up to this. It is has been an adventure. I don't care about reimbursment. I am not feeling it in the least. I would have done the $199 transfer regardless. Just didn't want to do it with my only remaining lifetimed S2!
Well , they say the road to recovery starts with many things one of which is confession... but I did mean what I said , next summer when we get a good day and if i'm off work I do wana treat your and your kid and the wife to a day of fun in the park... who knows maybe we can still have that beer together... it may seem like im trying to be buddy buddy with your and maybe in a way I am... but Im not trying to act like nothing ever happened just trying to start down a new path with something good...

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This is good to hear that your net financial damage from all this was fairly minor. Still a lot of people would remain bitter.It is good to hear the financial damage was fairly minor bec. had it been more then I'd be feelin even worse than what I already do... but yes people will be bitter for a long time to come... i dont ever expect the bitterness to go away... anyway i gotta run for a few to get some stuff for the animals , but when I come back Ill be more than willing to address any other questions or concerns you guys may or may not have...

greg_burns

01-03-2007, 05:44 PM

This is good to hear that your net financial damage from all this was fairly minor.

Oh, I didn't say that. :) I spent money trying to file for small claims court online (what a racket). I also bought two separate Tivo's in attempts to transfer the lifetime back to different hardware. Almost worked too!

That I am bitter about for other reasons. The first one was through eBay, which I gave to a friend. Discovered I couldn't transfer because it wasn't the exact same model (Andy's was a refurb, while the ebay's one was brand new, never activated.) So I bought another refurb from Tivo.com. That is about the time they started shipping them pre-activated. Doh! No problem, return it under 30 day return policy. (Kinda sleezy, I know). When I called Tivo to return it, the CSR felt pity for me after I told my story, and promised to let me purchase lifetime on it for the price difference. ($150 for box & 1yr + $150 more for lifetime). That never happened. 6 calls to Tivo over next two months never amounted to anything. (every CSR said they would make it happen since I was promised it!) They refused to let me do a return since 30 days was up. Now I got an extra Tivo lying around I don't need.

Y-ASK

01-03-2007, 05:49 PM

Well it might be time to grow up and act 26 :). I'm not sure I'd want to have a beer with you nor would I want you around my kids but then you didn't wrong me so who am I to say. Count your blessings that the guy you ripped off didn't come after you or your family with tire iron. Learn from this experience and you'll be more the wiser. Case closed for me :).

Y-ASK

And as far as staying a member of the forum, I'd probably vote whatever Greg votes. Forgiveness is earned and if he's not around to earn it, then did he really learn anything? Just something to think about....

ZeoTiVo

01-03-2007, 05:55 PM

And as far as staying a member of the forum, I'd probably vote whatever Greg votes. Forgiveness is earned and if he's not around to earn it, then did he really learn anything? Just something to think about....
Of course TiVo_Fanatic could agree to buy a refurbed TiVo from Greg ;)

Test

01-03-2007, 06:28 PM

Weird...this thread is a good read though.

Greg, you were scammed and you knew who scammed you and you fixed it, way to go. I would end it there, cease and desist on any further communication. Like he said he can't be trusted and there's no further reason to keep in touch, sure forgive AND (make sure you) FORGET! No one has to be buddy buddy in your situation but thats your call...

and about if the guy should be allowed to stay... he screwed someone from the forum, broke the law and broke the rules of the forum, it really shouldn't be up for discussion. I think dan made the right decision banning him earlier.

I do like the fact that he did the right thing finally (under durest of course) and I like that he came back and finally fessed up, way to go?

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 06:40 PM

Of course TiVo_Fanatic could agree to buy a refurbed TiVo from Greg ;)
Ive actually been considering buying a new 40 hr to be honest with ya so ya thats something that could work and of course I'd pay first... but it all depends on me havin the money to spend and how much bec I can only afford so much after the bills have been paid etc...

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 07:00 PM

Weird...this thread is a good read though.
Like he said he can't be trusted and there's no further reason to keep in touch, sure forgive AND (make sure you) FORGET! No one has to be buddy buddy in your situation but thats your call...
Oh I can be trusted but that depends on the person giving the trust , but yes I did ruin the trust that greg initially gave me and maybe sometime in the future I can earn some of it back but god knows it will be a loooooong time before I even come close to earning a fraction of trust from anyone let alone greg if I even earn any at all... and your right no one has to be buddy buddy and im not trying to be all though it may seem like I am in a way... as for keeping in touch thats entirely up to greg... but I'd like to think I'd be given a 2nd chance... kind of a bad analogy here but even murderers to some extent get a second chance but with them its a case by case basis... anyway I'll more or less end this here but I will say this...

If allowed to stay on the TCF I want to say TY and that I will try everything within my power to be the good person I was supposed to be when I initially came here... and while it will be a long and bumpy road I will try...

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There are several people on this forum, longtime regulars, who have bragged about doing worse than what you did, or even advised others to do worse. There is no perfection.
I know no ones perfect and god knows I'm not but if people are bragging about doing worse and advising to others to do worse than what I did and they are allowed to stay then surely atleast one person here can find it in their heart to give me a second chance here with or without restrictions...

drew2k

01-03-2007, 07:19 PM

Mikeyis4dcats

01-03-2007, 07:19 PM

alright....you've had your say, but my vote now is for a permanent ban again. you've shown no real remorse over the whole deal and admit that had he not finally gotten the cop to show up you'd still be screwing him over.

be gone!

Test

01-03-2007, 07:19 PM

Oh I can be trusted but that depends on the person giving the trust , but yes I did ruin the trust that greg initially gave me and maybe sometime in the future I can earn some of it back but god knows it will be a loooooong time before I even come close to earning a fraction of trust from anyone let alone greg if I even earn any at all... and your right no one has to be buddy buddy and im not trying to be all though it may seem like I am in a way... as for keeping in touch thats entirely up to greg... but I'd like to think I'd be given a 2nd chance... kind of a bad analogy here but even murderers to some extent get a second chance but with them its a case by case basis... anyway I'll more or less end this here but I will say this...

If allowed to stay on the TCF I want to say TY and that I will try everything within my power to be the good person I was supposed to be when I initially came here... and while it will be a long and bumpy road I will try...

Everything that I read in this thread has implied to me that you can't be trusted, sure you can THINK you are trustworthy, but thinking it and being it are different things. It seems that you are more upset/worried about greg taking further action then you were about doing the right thing.

What I meant by the "buddy buddy" thing is that, its not like you guys knew each other before this "theft" occurred (or did I miss something?). It's not like you guys are family members that HAVE to get along or are you? Using your analogy, sure murderers can get a second chance, but I think that would be from society and I wouldn't expect it from the actual victim/victims family members. Maybe forgiveness but WHAT kind of second chance??? I can't picture them hanging out at a bar. Anyway, I think this whole thing is weird...you pretty much ROBBED the guy and now it seems you want to be friends, instead of murder its more like someone stealing your cell phone from you then calling you up and asking you to forgive them AND then to hang out...

Hey, if you really want to put right, what once went wrong...DO something for him out of good faith or how about send him something with some actual value...

rambler

01-03-2007, 07:39 PM

Greg, I would see about getting a restraining order against this guy. He knows way too much about you and your family.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 07:40 PM

Andy, I don't mean to make light of your public apologies and requests for forgiveness, but I'm wondering what prompted you to recently contact Greg and ask for this chance? Have you joined some kind of 12-step program or the like, and you are here atoning for past transgressions or something like that?
No 12 step program , I guess you could call it some sort of new years resolution or something like that... and yes Ive had a few past incidents that werent as bad as this but Ive also made peace on those...

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alright....you've had your say, but my vote now is for a permanent ban again. you've shown no real remorse over the whole deal and admit that had he not finally gotten the cop to show up you'd still be screwing him over.

be gone!The cop was one of the deciding factors yes , but alot of it was guilt to among other things...

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Everything that I read in this thread has implied to me that you can't be trusted, sure you can THINK you are trustworthy, but thinking it and being it are different things. It seems that you are more upset/worried about greg taking further action then you were about doing the right thing.

What I meant by the "buddy buddy" thing is that, its not like you guys knew each other before this "theft" occurred (or did I miss something?). It's not like you guys are family members that HAVE to get along or are you? Using your analogy, sure murderers can get a second chance, but I think that would be from society and I wouldn't expect it from the actual victim/victims family members. Maybe forgiveness but WHAT kind of second chance??? I can't picture them hanging out at a bar. Anyway, I think this whole thing is weird...you pretty much ROBBED the guy and now it seems you want to be friends, instead of murder its more like someone stealing your cell phone from you then calling you up and asking you to forgive them AND then to hang out...

Hey, if you really want to put right, what once went wrong...DO something for him out of good faith or how about send him something with some actual value...
Ya I am / was worried about him taking furhter actions , who wouldnt be in my position... and no we didnt "know" eachother before this , no were not family... outside of the forums weve never met / talked before... as for doing something out of good faith like sending him something of value that would imply I have something of value to send him that he would phsyically find some use for whatever he was sent...

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Greg, I would see about getting a restraining order against this guy. He knows way too much about you and your family.
Personally thats going a little overboard... I mean ya I did do him wrong on this whole TiVo thing but I am NOT the kind of person that would ever go after anyone or their family that would warrant such action... I may have been an ass to him and stuff but I would never do anything to physically harm anyone that results in damage to their being / person...

gastrof

01-03-2007, 07:40 PM

alright....

be gone!

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9664/andypicnz8.jpg

Before somebody drops a house on YOU!

Mikeyis4dcats

01-03-2007, 07:43 PM

The cop was one of the deciding factors yes , but alot of it was guilt to among other things...

bvllshit. you said in one of you above posts that if it wasn't for him bringing the cop, you still would have his tivo. you're just a weasel and a liar.

CTLesq

01-03-2007, 08:21 PM

Dude, all you need is a black cape and the ability to choke people from afar....

01-03-2007, 08:35 PM

and yes Ive had a few past incidents that werent as bad as this but Ive also made peace on those...

So this was not the first time. What a surprise. :rolleyes:

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 08:43 PM

So this was not the first time. What a surprise. :rolleyes:
The first time something this bad was done to someone yes but the first I've wronged someone no... most of my past indiscretions were minor stuff but this was the first / last time I've done / will do anything like what I did to greg...

markymark_ctown

01-03-2007, 09:06 PM

...but next summer when the weathers nice if you the wife and the kid(s) wana come down to the park here , I'll treat you guys to a day of fun in the park so long as I can get a day off of work when you wana do it if you even wana do it at all... and thats one thing you can hold me to , seriously...

:eek: :eek: :eek: Run as fast as you can from this invitation.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-03-2007, 09:19 PM

:eek: :eek: :eek: Run as fast as you can from this invitation.
It was nothing more than an invitation and if he doesnt want to thats fine , I couldnt blame him after what happened between us... but as for the day of fun next summer or something I'll get him the money somehow and he can go have a day of fun where he wants to with just him and whoever he wants... I never said I had to be a part of it but it may have come accross that way... either way it was nothing more than an invitation that is ultimately his decision to either accept or deny...

JustAllie

01-03-2007, 09:32 PM

TiVo_Fanatic... Andy... whatever your name is.... how do you sleep at night???

Sheesh.

Monty2_2001

01-03-2007, 09:43 PM

Greg, I would see about getting a restraining order against this guy. He knows way too much about you and your family.

Those don't do any good. I'd say get a gun and carry license.

painkiller

01-03-2007, 09:47 PM

Never underestimate the power of ignore.

RegBarc

01-03-2007, 10:20 PM

Wow, this thread was entertaining. In an autopsy kind of way.

Cmmsh

01-03-2007, 11:16 PM

This is the strangest and most interesting thread I have ever read. And my two cents is this clown has not one shred of remorse. I can't believe Greg is giving him the time of day. Personally, I would have loved to gone to his house with the policeman and have a little face-to-face chat with this bald-faced liar.

pendragn

01-03-2007, 11:32 PM

Tivo_fanatic, any chance I can convince to stop abbreviating "because" as "bec?"

thanks,
tk

LDavis

01-03-2007, 11:45 PM

If I have a vote, ban him. Not necessarily for what he did but because the writing style, spelling errors and use of "TY" is simply infuriating.

timckelley

01-03-2007, 11:50 PM

I'm guessing TY stands for 'thank you', but I'm not sure.

jfh3

01-04-2007, 12:00 AM

So, when is Fox filming the reality series?

drew2k

01-04-2007, 12:15 AM

Ttyl ?

idlepaw

01-04-2007, 02:27 AM

Ttyl ?

I imagine it means 'talk to you later."

Hystyk28

01-04-2007, 02:50 AM

Ive actually been considering buying a new 40 hr to be honest with ya so ya thats something that could work and of course I'd pay first... .

Funniest part of this thread...an eye for an eye perhaps?

Deacon West

01-04-2007, 03:41 AM

With apologies to IndyJones, this thread is becoming a big bag of suck.

BillyT2002

01-04-2007, 08:24 AM

So does ttyldwthiatttyljsisifsogttyldwthiatijsya stand for ?:

Talk to you later, don't want to hear it again tonight.
Talk to you later, just save it, save it for some other guy.
Talk to you later, don't want to hear it again tonight.
I'll just see you around.

<The anacronyms are just getting way out of hand these days.>

ZeoTiVo

01-04-2007, 11:03 AM

Ive actually been considering buying a new 40 hr to be honest with ya so ya thats something that could work and of course I'd pay first... but it all depends on me havin the money to spend and how much bec I can only afford so much after the bills have been paid etc...
restitution is not meant to be easy. Eat mac and cheese or Ramon noodles for a while if you have to. That is what repentence is about, thinking over how to improve yourself while dealing with the consequences. If you are serious about this then restitution should be first on your list, not later when it works better for you. :rolleyes:

TiVo_Fanatic

01-04-2007, 12:13 PM

Just thought I'd share some unknown members attempt at humor via eBays communication system... my guess it was someone from here...

Edit : My reply yes was a smartazzed one but when people decide to mess with me I like to see some originality... not something thats been played out...

Original received message...
http://uotc.freeyellow.com/tivosmartass.jpg

My reply...
http://uotc.freeyellow.com/replytivosmartass.jpg

Einselen

01-04-2007, 12:29 PM

Edit : My reply yes was a smartazzed one but when people decide to mess with me I like to see some originality... not something thats been played out...

Like haha so funny I forgot to laugh is original?

I think we had a chance to question Tivo_Fanatic and they have had a chance to respond. This topic is now done, IMO and should be locked.

As far as Tivo_Fanatic goes I think it is up to Dan, David and the other moderators of the forum to decide if he should be banned again or not. I personally thought he broke the rules by creating a 2nd id to "hide" behind, but again I don't think it is what we think but the moderators and admins believe.

JustAllie

01-04-2007, 12:44 PM

restitution is not meant to be easy. Eat mac and cheese or Ramon noodles for a while if you have to. That is what repentence is about, thinking over how to improve yourself while dealing with the consequences. If you are serious about this then restitution should be first on your list, not later when it works better for you. :rolleyes:Quoted for truth.

greg_burns

01-04-2007, 12:46 PM

Ok, one more question afterall. This doesn't work for me...
You may not believe this and I cant blame you if you dont, but at first I did mail the granfathered S1 as we originally agree on in our deal that was supposed to have happened but didnt... anyway it came back to me as undeliverable , maybe I fudged a number or letter I dont know but it did come back to me as undeliverable...

If that is true, how do you explain the timeline...
Have you had a chance to mail out your S1? I don't mind if you feel more secure waiting for the tracking number (or maybe even getting the unit itself). You'll probably have it Monday or so.

05/16/2006 12:26 P.M. DELIVERY

Looks like you received my S2 today. Are you going to be mailing out your's tomorrow?

Can you send me the TSN?Ya here in a lil bit after I send out a few emails... meant to send it to u earlier but I was in a hurry when I typed up the last msg hehe...

Mailed parcel post... with the weekend you should have it by I would think / hope Weds... Thx again m8 ;-)

I know I said I'd get you the TSN and I fully intend to but I was thinking it might be best to wait till you actually get the TiVo.. not that I expect anything to go wrong with the shipment but I'd prefer to wait until you get the unit before I give you the TSN... sorry if I seem like a big pain in the ass but with the weekend over and the unit "in transit" you should have it by weds / thursday...

:confused:

I would prefer that you sent me the TSN now. I don't see any reason for waiting, I've already sent you my Tivo and its TSN ahead of time.
You trusted me enough to send me your TiVo first and for that I am eternally grateful... and if you trusted me that much please just trust me this much more ;-) Ty and now i'm off to work... ill try to check ne outstanding pm's i have here if any throughout the day... ttyl and tc ;-)

This is what set off all the red flags to begin with. Did you or did you not actually try to mail me that S1? If you did (and I don't see how you could have), why not send me the TSN? And if not, why lie about it now?

ChuckyBox

01-04-2007, 12:48 PM

I think we had a chance to question Tivo_Fanatic and they have had a chance to respond. This topic is now done, IMO and should be locked.

Are you kidding? This is great stuff. It's unusual to get to see this much from someone with an antisocial personality. It's absolutely fascinating to see him twist and turn to try to conform to social norms that his disorder prevents him from grasping. He's trying to bluff his way through intellectually, but he keeps screwing up because he simply cannot comprehend what is expected of him. This thread should be required reading for psychology students.

Einselen

01-04-2007, 01:09 PM

Are you kidding? This is great stuff. It's unusual to get to see this much from someone with an antisocial personality. It's absolutely fascinating to see him twist and turn to try to conform to social norms that his disorder prevents him from grasping. He's trying to bluff his way through intellectually, but he keeps screwing up because he simply cannot comprehend what is expected of him. This thread should be required reading for psychology students.

Well I do stand corrected as Greg did post more questions. I thought it was over but I was incorrect, sorry Greg.

As far as you go Chucky, post like this in a thread like this just make me want it to be kept open. Live on thread! Live on! In regards to the thread though I think we all need to tread lightly and make sure there is no harassment/personal attacks/etc. (unless to Andy, haha just a joke, or is it?) and that is also stays relatively on topic. Otherwise we do risk it being closed and then what required reading for psych students would we have?

JoBeth66

01-04-2007, 01:16 PM

I just don't understand how this guy still has an Ebay account! Shouldn't someone who's admitted to felony theft (even if not charged/convicted) be prevented from selling on Ebay?

sheesh.

Tivo Fanatic, you need to grow up. Seriously. You've been very clear in that you only relented because he showed up with the cops - the nice thing about the written word is that it's hard to "misremember" what was said, the evidence is there in black and white.

You can try to backtrack all you want, but it seems clear that you feel little, if any, true remorse, or you WOULD make restitution - it would be a priority, not a 'yeah, let me see what kind of luxuries I want to have first, then I'll see if maybe we can work something out'.

Ramen noodles, mac & cheese, peanut butter sandwiches. Debts come before luxuries. And this is one heck of a debt.

Oh yeah - and you'll get further in life if you write like an adult, and not a 12 year old. People DO judge you on your "style" (or lack thereof) and you only get one chance to make a first impression.

greg_burns

01-04-2007, 01:37 PM

I just don't understand how this guy still has an Ebay account! Shouldn't someone who's admitted to felony theft (even if not charged/convicted) be prevented from selling on Ebay?

I had pursued the ebay route a couple times. Very frustrating. It seems ebay does not like to get involved without a police report.

Before I left, I asked the officier if he was interested in doing what was necessary for the eBay complaint. He said he'd done enough. I left it at that.

Andy, your buyers may appreciate it if you included a working phone number with your account. (a supposed eBay requirement) :rolleyes:

tab13

01-04-2007, 01:37 PM

2007 Prediction:

In 3 more months, we'll see a April Fools note and this thread'll be locked. We'll find out these guys were in cahouts togethers to create a blogging soap opera, and we all became fans.

This couldn't have been scripted better than what this is.

Of course I'm j/k!!!

greg_burns

01-04-2007, 01:41 PM

minckster

01-04-2007, 01:42 PM

Oh yeah - and you'll get further in life if you write like an adult, and not a 12 year old. People DO judge you on your "style" (or lack thereof) and you only get one chance to make a first impression.Amen to that! His posts are so difficult to read that I'd usually not bother, but this thread is so entertaining. Poor Greg! TiVo_Fanatic is lucky that his victim isn't a violent gun owner.

"ne" = any. :rolleyes:
"tc" (as in "ttyl and tc") = ? Can anyone help me translate to English?

Test

01-04-2007, 01:47 PM

timckelley

01-04-2007, 01:55 PM

Andy, your buyers may appreciate it if you included a working phone number with your account. (a supposed eBay requirement) :rolleyes:

IIRC, you can report him to ebay for having a nonworking phone number, and they'll NARU him. (NARU = 'not a registered user' = kick him out.) I think they try calling him and if they can't that's when they ban him.

JoBeth66

01-04-2007, 01:55 PM

Amen to that! His posts are so difficult to read that I'd usually not bother, but this thread is so entertaining. Poor Greg! TiVo_Fanatic is lucky that his victim isn't a violent gun owner.

"ne" = any. :rolleyes:
"tc" (as in "ttyl and tc") = ? Can anyone help me translate to English?

TC = 'take care'.

Luckily, I have teenagers, so I've learned to speak this. However, the 17 year old gave this up a while ago, and even my 14 year old is moving past it.

At 25, soon to be 26? I'd expect a person to be typing all the letters in their communications as a rule rather than the exception.

Turtleboy

01-04-2007, 02:01 PM

TC = 'take care'.

Luckily, I have teenagers, so I've learned to speak this. However, the 17 year old gave this up a while ago, and even my 14 year old is moving past it.

At 25, soon to be 26? I'd expect a person to be typing all the letters in their communications as a rule rather than the exception.

ITA

jtlytle

01-04-2007, 02:10 PM

I voted to ban him.

JoBeth66

01-04-2007, 02:13 PM

ITA

:p

greg_burns

01-04-2007, 02:13 PM

IIRC, you can report him to ebay for having a nonworking phone number, and they'll NARU him. (NARU = 'not a registered user' = kick him out.) I think they try calling him and if they can't that's when they ban him.

Been there, done that. Nothing came of it. But boy was eBay quick to remove my negative feedback against him. After they removed it, he replied to it anyways. Duh. That gave me the opportunity to reply a final time with a carefully worded link to this thread. ;)

I've reviewed your report about <<morebloodwine>>. I can assure you that
eBay is investigating this matter and will take appropriate action based
on the results of the investigation.

Our actions may include a listing cancellation, limits on account
privileges, account suspension, forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled
listings, and loss of PowerSeller status. Due to eBay's Privacy Policy,
we can't share specific information about the other member's account or
the actions we take. This policy protects all eBay members and ensures
that your personal account history always remains private..

minckster

01-04-2007, 02:17 PM

ITAGrrr! http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/?lookup=I Now I don't have to ask and appear so hopelessly old and un-hip. :o

Thanks for the translation Jobeth!

Now we can return from this tangent to our regularly scheduled soap opera, "One TiVo to Steal".

Natron

01-04-2007, 02:45 PM

I hope that TiVo_Fanatic can stay for two reasons:
1) I believe people can change and hopefully he has learned a lesson and maybe with his future actions he can earn a measure of trust.
2) From a pragmatic stance the ID TiVo_Fanatic will be under constants scrutiny. Edited: He could possible get a chance to fake another ID again and might not get caught. If he does not get to keep his old ID he might be tempted try to fake another with a different IP.

BTW, Greg you are impressive.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-04-2007, 03:18 PM

Ok, one more question afterall. This doesn't work for me...

If that is true, how do you explain the timeline...

This is what set off all the red flags to begin with. Did you or did you not actually try to mail me that S1? If you did (and I don't see how you could have), why not send me the TSN? And if not, why lie about it now?
I did try to mail the unit at one point and yes it did come back as undeliverable, why, I dont know... maybe I fudged a number or a letter on the address either way I did try to mail the unit... but as far as not sending you the TSN , I honestly cant even answer that, I mean yes I could try to but would the answer be the right answer let alone even be worded right , probably not seeing as how my writing skills have already come into question... but that aside I dont really have an explination for not giving you the TSN...

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I just don't understand how this guy still has an Ebay account! Shouldn't someone who's admitted to felony theft (even if not charged/convicted) be prevented from selling on Ebay?

sheesh.

Tivo Fanatic, you need to grow up. Seriously. You've been very clear in that you only relented because he showed up with the cops - the nice thing about the written word is that it's hard to "misremember" what was said, the evidence is there in black and white.

You can try to backtrack all you want, but it seems clear that you feel little, if any, true remorse, or you WOULD make restitution - it would be a priority, not a 'yeah, let me see what kind of luxuries I want to have first, then I'll see if maybe we can work something out'.

Ramen noodles, mac & cheese, peanut butter sandwiches. Debts come before luxuries. And this is one heck of a debt.

Oh yeah - and you'll get further in life if you write like an adult, and not a 12 year old. People DO judge you on your "style" (or lack thereof) and you only get one chance to make a first impression.
The restitution doesnt rely on me buying my "luxuries" as you called them first and then making restitution payment(s)... it factors into me paying off other debts like credit card bills and such... by the time all my bills are paid out every month I am lucky to even be left with $50... as for writing like an adult yes you are right , that is a habbit I need to break by writing stuff like TTYL & TC etc. but I am willing to try and break that habbit... its not as bad as it use to be , but you are also right about one chance to make a first impression because it's that first impression that counts.

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Andy, your buyers may appreciate it if you included a working phone number with your account. (a supposed eBay requirement) :rolleyes:
I do have a working phone number on my account now...

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Hey, how about you post (or just send to greg) a shot of any of the shipping information? The box that is stamped "undeliverable", a tracking number? A shipping slip to show it was shipped to him on what date? I don't see this guy posting a response anytime soon (and it won't be beacuse he is banned), greg caught him in more lies...
I dont even have any of the packing materials / slips anymore... as for not posting a reply anytime soon why wouldnt I after everything I've already posted...

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I hope that TiVo_Fanatic can stay for two reasons:
1) I believe people can change and hopefully he has learned a lesson and maybe with his future actions he can earn a measure of trust.
2) From a pragmatically stance the ID TiVo_Fanatic will be under constants scrutiny. He could possible get a chance to fake another ID again and might not get caught.

BTW, Greg you are impressive. 
Yes I can change and I have also learned my lesson and man was it a big one... As for faking another ID as you put it , I have no reason to nor would I want to make another one...

As for you hoping I can stay , that from what dan has just told me is going to happen but on a probationary basis I believe is what he said... eventually you guys were gonna find out I was / am allowed to stay which is why I mentioned me being allowed to stay... but for those of you interested and I hope Dan doesn't mind me posting this , here is a copy of my original message to him with his reply.

Title of the PM : Before my ban is put back in place I'd like to ask...

You're back on a probationary basis. Stay clean and you'll be able to stick around indefinitely. But if you f*ck up again I'm not only going to ban your account, but also your IP. Then you wont even be able to read the forum.

Dan

Hey Dan,
Before my ban is put back in place I'd like to ask you a question... but before I ask I would like to say something, yes what I did to greg was wrong and wether or not anyone believes me I truly am sorry... also I'm not saying I should be allowed back but it would be nice... anyway to get to the question... greg at one point in an email said he'd welcome me back to the TCF , now assuming this is still true / he feels this way... would you have a problem with allowing me back but on whatever restrictions you'd like to have implemented... I'll admit this forum has grown on me when I first started using it and losing it did hurt me in a way and I know I got what I asked for... but that aside I want to ask again... assuming greg still feels the same about welcoming me back would you have a problem allowing me back... If so I will abide by any rules you want me to and will not fight in any way any restrictions you'd like to have in place if I am allowed back... sorry if my wording doesnt seem to great, I just got home off of an 8 hr night shift that seemed like 20 so I'm pretty exhausted... anyway I hope that you will allow me back assuming greg still wouldnt mind welcoming me back... with all that said I will end this with a Thank You for taking the time to read this PM in its entirety and i hope you have a wonderful day.

~Andy~

timckelley

01-04-2007, 03:45 PM

To me it sounds like you skirted around the question about why you wouldn't send the TSN. You say you can't answer the question for fear of not being understood, but you also say you just don't have an explanation. (Two contradicting statements.) Your writing-style criticisms notwithstanding, I don't think is that hard to understand. The overall inference I get (but I could be wrong), is that you do know why you wouldn't send the TSN, but you don't want to say. It sort of smells like your reasons might have been evil. :o

drew2k

01-04-2007, 04:06 PM

I voted to ban him.:eek: Did I miss the poll?!

ZeoTiVo

01-04-2007, 04:34 PM

The overall inference I get (but I could be wrong), is that you do know why you wouldn't send the TSN, but you don't want to say.
I read it the same way. Now to be fair he has already stated his actions were wrong and it took the cop to make him set things right. So really the TSN is just another part of the obvious wrong he willfully perpetrated. Anything you want to say to refute that TiVo_fanatic ?

greg_burns

01-04-2007, 04:50 PM

drew2k

01-04-2007, 05:07 PM

I agree. TiVo_Fanatic should simply admit he was a greedy opportunist who saw a golden opportunity to take advantage of someone else, and didn't want to let that opportunity slip by. TiVo_Fanatic, if you're admitting everything else, you may as well admit it ... you smelled a chance to get one over on someone else. You got to take advantage of Greg's honesty. After all, it was easy enough: just swap some email, get a TiVo in the mail, and forget all about living up to your end of the bargain. Right?

Is that hard to admit? You did it because it was easy?

Or are we helping you too much by supplying motives?

Or are you afraid to answer because you are afraid to have your reasons recorded for posterity, afraid you will somehow be held accountable for what you did?

I'm baffled ...

JacksTiVo

01-04-2007, 05:19 PM

The first time something this bad was done to someone yes but the first I've wronged someone no... most of my past indiscretions were minor stuff but this was the first / last time I've done / will do anything like what I did to greg...

His post reminds me of the response you hear from the child predators on Dateline NBC when the reporter confronts them in the kitchen of the decoy home. They all claim it was the very first time they attempted to have "physical" contact with a child. I don't believe it for a minute.
You are untrustworthy and a liar and you will be branded on the TCF as a liar for life,
just as those child predators are stigmatized for life.

ZeoTiVo

01-04-2007, 06:04 PM

just as those child predators are stigmatized for life.paging Doug Swallow :D

Test

01-04-2007, 06:05 PM

It is painfully obvious why he didn't tell me the TSN. I just don't believe he ever tried to mail the S1 ever. But I don't understand why he would not fess upto that part now, so maybe I am wrong.

Hey Andy, remember when I found your ICQ # (153680068) and tried to get the TSN that way? Good times. :D

I completely understand why he isn't fessing up FULLY and telling you that he really didn't even attempt to send you the tivo, and it's the same reason tim and zeo implied/stated...HE DIDN'T AND HE'S LYING! He can't fess up to that now because he used that lame "excuse" as part of his "confession" and "apology"...can't take that back or else he will look like a COMPLETE tool...

The fact that he wouldn't give you the TSN proves he was trying to scam you from the start! That is the reason I didn't think you would post again, after Greg mentioned the TSN thing and blew apart your whole "I TRIED TO MAIL IT, BUT I COULD ONLY TRY THINGS ONCE" LIE/APOLOGY! Aaaah whatever, if he's back he's back right? hope some other member of this community doesn't fall for his ISH again, it worked out this time, but things like this rarely work out for the better. Maybe you guys should give some notice on all his posts a permenant sig that he can't change, maybe a LINK to this thread so anyone that deals with him is aware!

timckelley

01-04-2007, 06:51 PM

I read it the same way. Now to be fair he has already stated his actions were wrong and it took the cop to make him set things right.Sometimes a lot of good can come from a cop to set things right. When I was 15 or 16, I used to :o take small things ($1 value or less) from stores. I don't know why I used to do that - I guess because I was greedy, and thought of the crimes as being victimless. Thankfully I was caught while I was only 15 or 16, and so no criminal record was assigned since I was a minor.

But being taken downtown by the police and having my parents called really wakened me up to what I was doing. That night I changed, and swore to myself I would never steal again (even though it was just < $1 items.) And I never have since. And the main reason is not a fear of being caught - my morals changed, and I am aware now of the wrongness of what I was doing. I now consider stealing (even small things) to be insult and injury to others. I don't even steal postage from my employer, even though it would be easy.

Mikeyis4dcats

01-04-2007, 06:54 PM

I can't believe the Admins of this forum would allow him to remain here after what he has done. Unbelievable and very disappointing to me.

gastrof

01-04-2007, 10:38 PM

Maybe the board can let Andy stay, use his TiVo Fanatic ID, but the picture I put up before will be his avatar

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8616/wolfeatingpreydk9.jpg

and under it in small print is "should be eaten by wolves...for stealing a TiVo".

Neither the avatar nor the lettering will be changeable.

It'll stay like that for good.

gastrof

01-04-2007, 10:46 PM

In case "anyone" needs a revised version of it...

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/4853/andymi3.jpg

jtlytle

01-05-2007, 07:56 AM

:eek: Did I miss the poll?!

You can create one.

JoBeth66

01-05-2007, 08:11 AM

IThe restitution doesnt rely on me buying my "luxuries" as you called them first and then making restitution payment(s)... it factors into me paying off other debts like credit card bills and such... by the time all my bills are paid out every month I am lucky to even be left with $50... as for writing like an adult yes you are right , that is a habbit I need to break by writing stuff like TTYL & TC etc. but I am willing to try and break that habbit... its not as bad as it use to be , but you are also right about one chance to make a first impression because it's that first impression that counts.

No offense, but you have plenty of things you're paying for that could go towards restitution that are clearly luxuries.

IE - internet access and cable TV. You could give up BOTH of those and give Greg that money on a monthly basis towards restitution. Cell phone, if you have one that's not pre-paid, same thing. You mentioned possibly being in the market for another TiVo - so are you currently paying for TiVo service? There's another luxury. If you have a TiVo box that's lifetimed (so that you're not paying for service) you could certainly put that out on your Ebay account and sell it, that would probably provide restitution as well.

Anything other than rent, heat, light, and basic food requirements is a luxury. You may consider other things 'necessities', but they're not. Buying dessert is a luxury. Buying fast food is a luxury. Buying pizza is a luxury. Driving anywhere you're within a few miles of & could walk to (thus saving gas money) is a luxury.

I'm glad to see you're making an attempt at writing like an adult. Now it's time to take the next step and act like one. A real apology, and a real attempt to make it up to the person you've wronged. If you have $50 a month left over after paying your bills, then that should be going to Greg. Seriously. And some bills you can stop for a few months and put that towards it as well.

Your choice to do the right thing, or make more excuses about why you "can't".

BillyT2002

01-05-2007, 11:14 AM

You are untrustworthy and a liar and you will be branded on the TCF as a liar for life.

Just as any and all smeekers are too lazy to read down through an entire thread and will be branded on TCF as smeekers for life.

(Sorry, sometimes I can't resist .)

BlackBetty

01-05-2007, 04:41 PM

Ban the loser!

drew2k

01-05-2007, 04:53 PM

I wonder if his ban is back on - no posts from TiVo_Fanatic for over 24 hours now...

chris_h

01-05-2007, 05:03 PM

Sometimes a lot of good can come from a cop to set things right. When I was 15 or 16, I used to :o take small things ($1 value or less) from stores. I don't know why I used to do that - I guess because I was greedy, and thought of the crimes as being victimless. Thankfully I was caught while I was only 15 or 16, and so no criminal record was assigned since I was a minor.

But being taken downtown by the police and having my parents called really wakened me up to what I was doing. That night I changed, and swore to myself I would never steal again (even though it was just < $1 items.) And I never have since. And the main reason is not a fear of being caught - my morals changed, and I am aware now of the wrongness of what I was doing. I now consider stealing (even small things) to be insult and injury to others. I don't even steal postage from my employer, even though it would be easy.

Interesting. I had a similiar experience when I was maybe 10 years old. No cops involved, the owner of the 7-11 store (a local neighborhood guy) just put my name down on his special 3x5 card. Scared me straight for life. And thru my career I could have easily made off with millions. It really freaks them out at the grocery store when you are not happy with your total because it is too low! Once you value your honor, it is not easy to give it up over a few bucks, or even a few thousand.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-05-2007, 05:30 PM

Ban the loser!
Wont happen unless I do something wrong again and I dont plan on it...

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I wonder if his ban is back on - no posts from TiVo_Fanatic for over 24 hours now...
No , my bans not back on because I havent as dan said in a PM f**ked up again and I dont plan on it... messing up again that is.

As for me not making as many post as I was / have been , theres nothing here that says I have to post once every 24hrs... I've just decided to take it easy with the posting... Ive already addressed most everyones questions or concerns and alot of whats now / still being said is the same thats been said before just in a different format of words...

ZeoTiVo

01-05-2007, 05:37 PM

Ive already addressed most everyones questions or concerns and alot of whats now / still being said is the same thats been said before just in a different format of words...
so no comment on Greg's post in which he said you very likely never shipped the TiVo at all ?
No comment on giving Greg restitution now?

I think many of us think YOU should be saying something different than before

TiVo_Fanatic

01-05-2007, 05:48 PM

so no comment on Greg's post in which he said you very likely never shipped the TiVo at all ?
No comment on giving Greg restitution now?

I think many of us think YOU should be saying something different than before
Ive already addressed the shipment thing of the tivo "reply #128"... as for restitutution Ive already stated several times that I would / dont care about doing it... making restitution... now obviously no one has any reason to believe me and if no one wants to then fine thats their choice... I'm not twisting anyones arm telling them they have to believe me or anything like that...

timckelley

01-05-2007, 06:17 PM

as for restitutution Ive already stated several times that I would / dont care about doing itI don't know what this sentence means, as "would" and "don't care" sound contradictory. Does the "would" mean you are willing, or does the "don't care" mean you are not willing?

greg_burns

01-05-2007, 06:18 PM

Financial restitution is not required here. I understand a lot of you feel that he should and I respect that. I am just not asking for it.

While by no means an excuse... I've seen the trailer park where Andy is living with his mom. I do believe him when he says is financially strapped.

If you wanna do something nice, how about mailing back my remote?

BTW, whomever is the smoker in your home needs to quit! I've never smelled anything so foul as what is coming out of this Tivo.

timckelley

01-05-2007, 06:19 PM

TiVo_Fanatic

01-05-2007, 06:46 PM

I don't know what this sentence means, as "would" and "don't care" sound contradictory. Does the "would" mean you are willing, or does the "don't care" mean you are not willing?
"Would" means yes I'm willing and "dont" means that I dont care about about making restitution... as in it wont bother me by doing it...

TiVo_Fanatic

01-05-2007, 06:48 PM

BTW, whomever is the smoker in your home needs to quit! I've never smelled anything so foul as what is coming out of this Tivo.That would be my dad , and thats one thing were trying to do is get him to quit and its no easy task... but we are trying... best I can say is yes weve made some progress in getting him to "try" to quit but no real luck yet.

Edit : As for the remote I do want to apologize for that , I didnt even think of it when the officer picked up the unit... Please pm me whatever address you'd like the remote mailed to and I will get it out in the mail within the next day or two.

JacksTiVo

01-05-2007, 09:48 PM

Just as any and all smeekers are too lazy to read down through an entire thread and will be branded on TCF as smeekers for life.

(Sorry, sometimes I can't resist .)I am not sure if you are trying insulting me or not since I have no idea what "smeekers" means.

In any event, I just want to let you know I have been following this thread since it began during the Summer and have read all 150+ posts. I only decided to post when Tivo_Fanatic claimed that he had never done a dishonest thing before he scammed Greg.

greg_burns

01-05-2007, 10:28 PM

how exactly does one "smeek"? (http://archive2.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=261760)

ah30k

01-05-2007, 10:47 PM

smeeking is responding to post #1 without reading posts 2 through 20. Invariably your response to #1 has been covered exhaustively already in 2-20 already. And, when we finally get to your response in #21 it seems out of place.

greg_burns

01-05-2007, 10:48 PM

ah30K did you just smeek me?

ah30k

01-05-2007, 10:50 PM

Ah, I didn't realize you text was a hyperlink. An inadvertent smeek.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-06-2007, 06:33 AM

I only decided to post when Tivo_Fanatic claimed that he had never done a dishonest thing before he scammed Greg.If people would actually read something and try to grasp the meaning of whats written what I had said was that yes I have wronged before but this was the first time i wronged someone as bad as I did greg... not in those exact words as I just wrote but along those lines.

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Reply #90 of this thread...

The first time something this bad was done to someone yes but the first I've wronged someone no... most of my past indiscretions were minor stuff but this was the first / last time I've done / will do anything like what I did to greg...

jtlytle

01-06-2007, 07:06 AM

I wonder if his ban is back on - no posts from TiVo_Fanatic for over 24 hours now...

Nope, He's still here. :(

dermanj

01-06-2007, 01:31 PM

timckelley

01-06-2007, 04:16 PM

please explain what was the original deal with Greg, trading one TiVo for another? Was it trading one model of TiVo for some other model, both of them with lifetime service? Can you please explain what that was about and why you and/or Greg wanted to make that trade?

This is an interesting question. It sounds like barter, and not selling something for money. Didn't you say the transaction happened through ebay? I don't think ebay allows barter transactions. How can you calculate who won the auction?

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 05:28 PM

Can you please explain what that was about and why you and/or Greg wanted to make that trade?

Earlier last year, it looked like the ONLY way to get lifetime on an future S3 was if you owned a grandfatherable S1 or a giftcard.

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 05:40 PM

Didn't you say the transaction happened through ebay?

See the first post in this thread. It has a link (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=299285) to where Andy wanted to trade a grandfatherable S1 for a lifetimed S2.

The eBay part came into play here...

So, any luck on that screenshot?

My only incentive for trading is to get a grandfatherable unit (or a lifetime card).
Sorry I didnt get back lastnight on th screenie... went to bed after my last message hehe... anyway my digi cam is busted so i dont know how id do it exactly.. but if it helps u can review my ebay feedback which reflects me as a prompt / honest seller ;-) http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=morebloodwine

:rolleyes:

While waiting for my S1 to arrive I was perusing his eBay auctions. Lo and behold he had just listed what looked like the S1 he was suppose to be sending to me!

Exactly how many of these do you have? :confused:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9725967607&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
Two for now possibly a third if my friend pulls through and gives me his when he gets a new DT lol... yea I know I have good friends lol

So is that auction for a Lifetime Tivo Series 1 w/ Lifetime or a Lifetime Gift Subscription Card? Your title is rather confusing.

Why are your friends giving you their grandfatherable Series 1's? Do they not know their value?
Sorry bout the title LMAO its a granfathered S1... anylifetime cards I have I'm keeping... and they know the value they say they just want face value and i can have anything over plus the extra cost of fees etc... i gotta go look at some new dressers so ill ttyl ;-P

Having more money than sense, I decided to bid on it. I figured if everything was on the up and up, I would have two grandfatherable S1's. And if not, then I would have my foot in the door on eBay. Since, it appeared Andy valued his eBay feedback score more than I did my own. :D

I have to admit, I had a good laugh when, after I won the auction, he was asking for immediate payment from me (he didn't know my ebay handle). You can image what I told him. :D

ZeoTiVo

01-06-2007, 06:02 PM

I have to admit, I had a good laugh when, after I won the auction, he was asking for immediate payment from me (he didn't know my ebay handle). You can image what I told him. :D
man, every time I am trying to give TiVo_Fanatic the benefit of the doubt on some of this up pops another detail I had overlooked before. So he not had "traded" and now had your TiVo but seems likely that he then was trying to get people to just send him money with again no intention of sending out a TiVo.

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 06:38 PM

So he not had "traded" and now had your TiVo but seems likely that he then was trying to get people to just send him money with again no intention of sending out a TiVo.

I think you have that backwards. He would most likely have sent the Tivo to the eBay winner (had I not told him who I was). Like I said, he valued his ebay rep.

I think he may actually have had multiple S1's. I saw multiple images like this he had posted, seemed pretty convincing.
http://home.comcast.net/~greg_burns/images/S1_One_Pic.jpg

Although, I saw another auction that had more of the number showing, but a different date IIRC. Seemed fishy at the time.

I jotted down the number, but can't find that screenshot.

000-1349-6097-?

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 06:40 PM

Just to re-emphasize; had my S1 shown up in the mail as agreed. I would have paid him for the other one. Bad call Andy.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-06-2007, 07:49 PM

This thread is fascinating! Here's are a couple questions for TiVo_Fanatic (and one that could also be answered by Greg):

1) Please don't take this the wrong way; I don't mean this as a dig: On your eBay listings, do you write the text yourself? Your eBay listings strike me as somewhat polished and more-or-less professional. Forgive my ignorance on such things, but is there some software package or service that you use to create nice-looking eBay listings?

2) You do not currently have anything listed for sale on eBay. Does that have anything to do with the "stolen" TiVo situation or some other problem -- or is it simply that you don't have anything to sell right now?

3) Forgive me if this has already been addressed, but can you please explain what was the original deal with Greg, trading one TiVo for another? Was it trading one model of TiVo for some other model, both of them with lifetime service? Can you please explain what that was about and why you and/or Greg wanted to make that trade?
1. I do all the text / HTML myself... no packages involved...

2. Reason I'm not selling right now is bec I dont have anything to list as of right now...

3. the original deal between me and greag was supposed to just be a swap "tivo for tivo" eBay was never involved with that...

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man, every time I am trying to give TiVo_Fanatic the benefit of the doubt on some of this up pops another detail I had overlooked before. So he not had "traded" and now had your TiVo but seems likely that he then was trying to get people to just send him money with again no intention of sending out a TiVo.
The eBay deal was legit... as greg had guessed at the time I valued my feedback more than anything else... but the eBay deal was legit / on the up and up...

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 07:59 PM

The eBay deal was legit... as greg had guessed at the time I valued my feedback more than anything else... but the eBay deal was legit / on the up and up...

That, if nothing else, tells me you must have originally planned to follow through with this deal. Otherwise, telling me your ebay id was, well, pretty stupid. :)

I've gotta know Andy. Why did you voluntarily submit the Unpaid Item Mutual Agreement? Was that a mistake, greed to get your fees back, or your conscious getting the better of you?

We are contacting you about the following item: Phillips Series 1 Tivo Lifetime Gift Subscription !!! (#9725967607)

The seller, morebloodwine tells us you have mutually agreed not to complete the transaction (e.g. because you returned or are returning the item for a refund or because there was a misunderstanding) and has requested a credit for their eBay fees.

Please respond by Jun-05-2006 so eBay knows whether you have agreed

TiVo_Fanatic

01-06-2007, 08:38 PM

That, if nothing else, tells me you must have originally planned to follow through with this deal. Otherwise, telling me your ebay id was, well, pretty stupid. :)

I've gotta know Andy. Why did you voluntarily submit the Unpaid Item Mutual Agreement? Was that a mistake, greed to get your fees back, or your conscious getting the better of you?
Well to be honest with ya it was to get the fees back but to clarify something... it wouldnt have given you a strike against your account on eBay had you clicked accept or whatever the option is / was... I only said that because somewhere in this post you mentioned that maybe I did it to give you a strike or something against your eBay account and by "it" I mean file the mutual agreement thing... but ya at the time it was just to get my fees back... at any given time when I run multiple auctions I accumulate well over $50 in fees in listing and final value... last yr alone with all the auctions I ran I think I accumulated well over $500 - $600 in fees lol... and I only "lol" because it really is funny how much money one can lose in fees alone on eBay...

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 08:47 PM

but to clarify something... it wouldnt have given you a strike against your account on eBay had you clicked accept or whatever the option is / was... I only said that because somewhere in this post you mentioned that maybe I did it to give you a strike or something against your eBay account and by "it" I mean file the mutual agreement thing...

I would have gotten the strike had I never paid you and you NOT filed the mutual agreement. And I wouldn't have paid you if I never saw that S1 in the mail eventually.

By not accepting the agreement I could leave negative feedback against you. And that is where you got the better of me. I went too far in my feedback, by ebay rules.

greg_burns

01-06-2007, 08:56 PM

Anybody know exactly what an Unpaid Item Strike is/means for a buyer?

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unpaid-item.html
About Unpaid Item strikes and suspensions

* Unpaid Item strikes are issued and tracked by eBay.
* Unpaid Item strikes are separate from feedback, and do not affect a user's feedback score or member profile.

01-06-2007, 09:42 PM

An account with too many strikes can be closed by eBay.

BTW, eBay raised the final value fee again.

timckelley

01-06-2007, 11:58 PM

TiVo_Fanatic

01-07-2007, 06:24 AM

IIRC, 4 unpaid strikes where the seller files to get his final value fees back results in banning of the buyer from ebay. I think it's necessary for the seller to ask for his final value fees back for it to actually count as a strike.
But theres two sides to that... one being what you just said but the other being a mutual agreement which is what I tried to file with greg... the mutual agreement for claiming fees is where NO ONE gets a strike but the seller still gets his / her fees back...

hoagie

01-07-2007, 08:42 PM

After reading this thread, I don't want anything to do with you Fanatic. I don't care about your opinions, I don't care about jokes and I don't care about how bad you feel because you got caught. As far as I am concerned, as soon as all this came to light, your account should have been banned as well as your IP.

However, that decision is not mine to make, it's for the fine staff that run this forum. I've accepted the fact that they have let you back in. However, I have decided to ignore you. By the age of 26, I knew between right and wrong. If the tivo came back as undeliverable, the right thing would have been to contact Greg and find out the correct address. Not to keep what was agreed by you as his Tivo and try to sell it. Greg shouldn't have had to resort to the police. He shouldn't have had to track you down to get merchandise that was rightfully his. You should have been a man and held up to your word as a man and made every attempt to get it to him. You didn't. A man who has no word is not a man.

Thos19

01-09-2007, 12:31 PM

Greg Burns,

Read through this whole post today. I admire you for the way you handled this. I hope in a similar situation, I could behave the same. The fact that you got your TiVo back (even sans remote), gives me a little more faith that there is justice in the world.

Bravo,

Thos.

moonscape

01-09-2007, 04:10 PM

Greg Burns,

I admire you for the way you handled this.

this is precisely what i've thought throughout the thread. i've been impressed (amazed!) by your level-headedness and raw grace throughout.

i doubt i would've been as mature and am almost assuredly older than you.

as for tivo-fanatic, i find his moniker offensive in view of his behavior.

jtlytle

01-09-2007, 09:09 PM

Edit : As for the remote I do want to apologize for that , I didnt even think of it when the officer picked up the unit... Please pm me whatever address you'd like the remote mailed to and I will get it out in the mail within the next day or two.

Did you get the remote back yet?

greg_burns

01-09-2007, 09:36 PM

Did you get the remote back yet?

He PM'd me and said he would send it later this week. I got plenty of remotes anyways. I didn't bother asking for the serial and RF cables, nor the A/V cables. Already had to buy another power cord. You guys make me think I'm too generous. :p

Speaking of generous, the reminds me what the officer told me. He almost didn't let Andy take out his upgraded 400GB drive and put back in the 40GB I sent him. (I only sent him the original 40GB out of kindness, it wasn't even part of the deal.) I think the officer used the words, "F%&@ him". But he relented and let him do it anyways. Can you image standing there with a police officer hovering over your shoulder why you swapped drives in a Tivo? What pressure! :)

ZeoTiVo

01-10-2007, 08:16 AM

He PM'd me and said he would send it later this week. I got plenty of remotes anyways. I didn't bother asking for the serial and RF cables, nor the A/V cables. Already had to buy another power cord. You guys make me think I'm too generous. :p
You are being too generous and in part enabling TiVo_Fanatic by not showing him the full consequences of his wrong actions. That is your call and life is short. TiVo_Fanatic should be thanking you profusely for taking his financial situation into account and not asking for restitution.
You have seen this one incident and the policeman has seen this type of thing most everyday, hard to say who has the right call in this case from just online postings.

Y-ASK

01-10-2007, 08:43 AM

Speaking of generous, the reminds me what the officer told me. He almost didn't let Andy take out his upgraded 400GB drive and put back in the 40GB I sent him.
I know you don't want Financial restitution, but there has been some talk about it in this thread. I find it ridiculous that the thief can afford a 400 GB Drive but complains that he has too many bills and that is why he has not offered any restitution what so ever. What a punk!

Y-ASK

greg_burns

01-10-2007, 09:34 AM

400GB $285

ebay item #5847429221

If you want to include it with the remote, feel free.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-10-2007, 04:44 PM

I know you don't want Financial restitution, but there has been some talk about it in this thread. I find it ridiculous that the thief can afford a 400 GB Drive but complains that he has too many bills and that is why he has not offered any restitution what so ever. What a punk!

Y-ASK
Did some of you ever stop to think that MAYBE just maybe I owned this drive BEFORE the incident with me and greg , eBay shows the purchase at around December 2005. At the time (before the greg incident) yes I could afford the drive... now Im not saying I deserver any sort of respect because god knows I dont... but seriously that comment is a 50/50... as for offering restitution had you read alot of this I have offered it and greg said he doesnt want it... and some of you will think even if he doesnt want it I should still send it well this would be where your right... but that factors into me having the cash to send... and as for this "luxury" stuff thats been goin around , I dont even wana hear it... I dont have but maybe one luxury and that aloe dont cost me but like 5 bucks a month.

Edit : Also on a side note... for those of you that are looking over my attempted if not successful attempts at buying stuff on eBay the ONLY thing that I bought / attempted to buy for myself was a new keyboard for my laptop... the rest of the stuff is for friends and family that dont use eBay... and you guys can "cough" BS on that all you want...

usnret

01-10-2007, 05:54 PM

Forget this site and use the time to get a 2nd job.

timckelley

01-10-2007, 06:00 PM

On the subject of restitution not being possible because you only have $5/month of luxuries:
restitution is not meant to be easy. Eat mac and cheese or Ramon noodles for a while if you have to. That is what repentence is about, thinking over how to improve yourself while dealing with the consequences. If you are serious about this then restitution should be first on your list, not later when it works better for you. :rolleyes:

No offense, but you have plenty of things you're paying for that could go towards restitution that are clearly luxuries.

IE - internet access and cable TV. You could give up BOTH of those and give Greg that money on a monthly basis towards restitution. Cell phone, if you have one that's not pre-paid, same thing. You mentioned possibly being in the market for another TiVo - so are you currently paying for TiVo service? There's another luxury. If you have a TiVo box that's lifetimed (so that you're not paying for service) you could certainly put that out on your Ebay account and sell it, that would probably provide restitution as well.

Anything other than rent, heat, light, and basic food requirements is a luxury. You may consider other things 'necessities', but they're not. Buying dessert is a luxury. Buying fast food is a luxury. Buying pizza is a luxury. Driving anywhere you're within a few miles of & could walk to (thus saving gas money) is a luxury.

I'm glad to see you're making an attempt at writing like an adult. Now it's time to take the next step and act like one. A real apology, and a real attempt to make it up to the person you've wronged. If you have $50 a month left over after paying your bills, then that should be going to Greg. Seriously. And some bills you can stop for a few months and put that towards it as well.

Your choice to do the right thing, or make more excuses about why you "can't".

Test

01-10-2007, 06:21 PM

as for offering restitution had you read alot of this I have offered it and greg said he doesnt want it...

400GB $285

ebay item #5847429221

If you want to include it with the remote, feel free.

annnnd I didn't see too much of YOU offering restitution, but I did see a lot of people offering YOU ideas on how you can make it right.

01-10-2007, 07:04 PM

Who in the right mind buys a $140 drive for $295???

TiVo_Fanatic

01-10-2007, 07:11 PM

On the subject of restitution not being possible because you only have $5/month of luxuries:
Well , I didnt mention this in my post but I never said I couldnt give up that $5.00 luxury... and yes as youve pointed out with the quotes I know restitution isnt made to be easy hardly anything ever is easy...

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Who in the right mind buys a $140 drive for $295???
At the time when I bought the drive that was the best deal I could find for a formatted TiVo drive of a 400gb capacity...

01-10-2007, 07:17 PM

At the time when I bought the drive that was the best deal I could find for a formatted TiVo drive of a 400gb capacity...[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I didn't realize it was 12/2005. I thought it was just last month.

crabbon

01-10-2007, 11:05 PM

So, I just want to hear that Greg got his remote... please say it is so.

TiVo_Fanatic

01-10-2007, 11:10 PM

So, I just want to hear that Greg got his remote... please say it is so.
I stuck it in todays mail not sure if I put it in late or not but it went in todays mail so he should have it whenever the postoffice delivers it.

greg_burns

01-10-2007, 11:15 PM

I stuck it in todays mail not sure if I put it in late or not but it went in todays mail so he should have it whenever the postoffice delivers it.

Thanks.

chris_h

01-11-2007, 11:55 AM

Sorry, I didn't realize it was 12/2005. I thought it was just last month.

I made that same mistake. I know misery loves company, maybe oopsery does too. Oops.

crabbon

01-11-2007, 02:43 PM

Cool, this is one step in earning some trust.

Remember, trust takes time to build, and only seconds to destroy.

Markman07

01-11-2007, 05:39 PM

ZeoTiVo

01-11-2007, 06:12 PM

TiVo_Fanatic

01-11-2007, 07:38 PM

I can't believe this hasn't been Dugg or put on Newsvine! This is the best thread I have ever read. A 26 year old living in a trailer park with his parents trying to scam someone of their Tivo. Amazing stuff. :-)
1. A 26 yr old living with his "elderly" parents to help them out... since none of them drive etc... unlike most people I care about my family and what happens to them as they get older...
2. Tell me how you define a trailer park... because to me a trailer park is define as a "pick up and go" where you back your car in and pull your home out like a "trailer" hence the term trailer park... where I live we like to call it a mobile home park since the homes can be towed hence them being "mobile" but cant be backed up and pulled out like a trailer... and no its not some ratty azz house its a nice one compared to most other homes you see in places like where I live...

steve614

01-11-2007, 08:24 PM

After reading this thread, I must say...

Greg, you are being WAY too easy on this guy!

And I STILL think Tivo Fanatic AND his IP should be banned from this forum.

:mad: :mad:

steve614

01-11-2007, 08:28 PM

Tell me how you define a trailer park... because to me a trailer park is define as a "pick up and go" where you back your car in and pull your home out like a "trailer" hence the term trailer park... where I live we like to call it a mobile home park since the homes can be towed hence them being "mobile" but cant be backed up and pulled out like a trailer... and no its not some ratty azz house its a nice one compared to most other homes you see in places like where I live...

You say "tomayto" and I say "tomahto"!

01-11-2007, 08:33 PM

People, please keep the postings "on topic".

drew2k

01-11-2007, 08:44 PM

People, please keep the postings "on topic".Well, the status of the stolen TiVo has been known for some time now. What do you suggest the new "topic" is so that we stay on it?

ZeoTiVo

01-11-2007, 09:29 PM

Well, the status of the stolen TiVo has been known for some time now. What do you suggest the new "topic" is so that we stay on it?
Repentence and Restitution ;)

01-11-2007, 10:24 PM

Well, the status of the stolen TiVo has been known for some time now. What do you suggest the new "topic" is so that we stay on it?

Something more directly related to the stolen TiVo, not where he lives or who he lives with.

drew2k

01-11-2007, 11:04 PM

Something more directly related to the stolen TiVo, not where he lives or who he lives with. :up: That's a good idea.

Opusnbill7

01-12-2007, 06:57 PM

Maybe it's just a good idea to close this thread since it seems to have run its course?

chris_h

01-12-2007, 07:33 PM

Maybe it's just a good idea to close this thread since it seems to have run its course?

I disagree. I am still waiting for Andy to offer Greg some token offer of cash restitution, even if it is only ten bucks a month for six months or such. Token guestures go a long way in my book.

Test

01-13-2007, 09:38 AM

I disagree. I am still waiting for Andy to offer Greg some token offer of cash restitution, even if it is only ten bucks a month for six months or such. Token guestures go a long way in my book.

Andy "offered" things and I think Greg accepted the 400gb drive that Andy installed in the tivo then removed upon returning it, but that was just completely ignored...

timckelley

01-13-2007, 10:39 AM

Test is about to have a major YAMM

twm01

01-13-2007, 11:12 AM

Ah, I didn't realize you text was a hyperlink. An inadvertent smeek.

Aren't all smeeks inadvertent???

ZeoTiVo

01-13-2007, 01:31 PM

Aren't all smeeks inadvertent???
well it really was not a smeek since he had read the thread but just misread a post. A smeek by the literal meaning would be deliberate since it would be a case where you do not read the thread and end up posting a repeat of someone else.

in modern ;) useage it has chnaged to simply mean posting the same thing again without regard to the reason behind the duplicate posting.

01-13-2007, 05:23 PM

Andy "offered" things and I think Greg accepted the 400gb drive that Andy installed in the tivo then removed upon returning it, but that was just completely ignored...

I don't know what YAMM means (from timckelley's post), but as a punishment, you should read this thread again from the beginning. :)

zzz0ny

01-13-2007, 07:18 PM

Why is it so important to TiVo Fanatic to remain as a member here? What's in it for him? Based on his actions and comments to date, I'm certain there's something in it for him.

timckelley

01-13-2007, 11:27 PM

I don't know what YAMM means (from timckelley's post),

YAMM="yet another meaningless milestone", in this case he's about to hit the '1000 posts' milestone, which some consider not so meaningless. :)

Why is it so important to TiVo Fanatic to remain as a member here? What's in it for him? Based on his actions and comments to date, I'm certain there's something in it for him.

More TCFers to prey upon for free merchandise? :D ;)

elliferg

01-14-2007, 12:53 AM

I'm pretty sure this is my FIRST post. Definitely a YAMM.

I came to the forum to look into my reboot issue, stuck around to explore a little, and stumbled into this. This is the best thing I've read online in a long time. Kinda reminds me of those Busterd (sic) Operators from He!! stories from the good old days.

Anyway... Being a total newbie on the site, if Tivo_Fanatic gets to stay, it would be helpful if he had some kind of scarlet A on him, so other people would know to beware.

Elli

timckelley

01-14-2007, 10:05 AM

Anyway... Being a total newbie on the site, if Tivo_Fanatic gets to stay, it would be helpful if he had some kind of scarlet A on him, so other people would know to beware.

Elli

Yes, just as they have a sex offenders list, they ought to have a TiVo stealer list. :)

Mikeyis4dcats

01-14-2007, 10:42 AM

I am still shocked that the administrators of this forum have the attitude that admitted scam artists and thieves are allowed here.

BAN HIM AGAIN!

steve614

01-14-2007, 01:43 PM

I am still shocked that the administrators of this forum have the attitude that admitted scam artists and thieves are allowed here.

BAN HIM AGAIN!

I second the motion!

dianebrat

01-14-2007, 05:31 PM

"burrrn the witch.. burrrrn her!"

oh sorry, just got caught up on the mob think.. :-)

Diane

RexB

01-15-2007, 06:57 AM

"burrrn the witch.. burrrrn her!"

oh sorry, just got caught up on the mob think.. :-)
Diane
Fine, feel free to converse and do business with a thief. Ripoffs are hard enough to discover, he also broke this forum's rules, and what's the point of social and legal rules if they aren't enforced.
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I vote to ban tivo_fanatic aka cloudsbreak and his IP, since he is fond of who-knows-how-many aliases.

Rex

HomeThtrLA

01-28-2007, 02:31 AM

greg_burns

01-28-2007, 08:27 AM

Just doesn't have the same ring to it. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_%28law%29

lessd

01-28-2007, 11:46 AM

Hate to get back on topic, but waaaaaay back on page 1 this was referred to as fraud. While it might be that, I think "conversion" is the proper legal term, and only allows civil remedies such as suing. If, for instance, I loan an amp to someone who won't give it back, they have "converted" it from a loan to their possession.

For fraud you must prove intent which, in your example, can be almost impossible, that why people joke about borrowing the item from your home when they are steeling something.

ZeoTiVo

01-29-2007, 11:16 AM

For fraud you must prove intent which, in your example, can be almost impossible, that why people joke about borrowing the item from your home when they are steeling something.
Well to not send the DVR as part of an agreement is fraud. There was no loaning going on here, it was to be an exchnage and there are communications where in Fanatic said he was doing something when he in fact he did not do what he stated in those comunications. That is fraud.

"steeling"
gratuitous spelling link/joke here :D Why can't we all just read past the mistakes

dssxxxx

03-04-2008, 02:37 PM

Well, since I see that he has posted as recently as July 2007 (quick search), I guess he was never banned.

timckelley

03-04-2008, 04:21 PM

Well, since I see that he has posted as recently as July 2007 (quick search), I guess he was never banned.

Ban the loser!

Wont happen unless I do something wrong again and I dont plan on it...

I wonder if his ban is back on - no posts from TiVo_Fanatic for over 24 hours now...

No , my bans not back on because I havent as dan said in a PM f**ked up again and I dont plan on it... messing up again that is.

.

MikeMar

03-04-2008, 04:32 PM

Someone want to sum up this thread for me? Don't feel like going through 200+ posts :)

timckelley

03-04-2008, 04:39 PM

Someone want to sum up this thread for me? Don't feel like going through 200+ posts :)

greg burns entered into an agreement with TiVo Fanatic (outside of this site) to trade lifetimed TiVos.
TiVo Fanatic scammed him by not sending his TiVo, but happily accepted greg burns', and even listed the one he was supposed to send Greg on ebay.
Greg got wise, and bid and won the auction, and then confronted TiVo Fanatic.
After sleuthing, greg burns identified his scammer as TiVo Fanatic. (Before then, AFAIK, he didn't know his scammer was a TCFer.)
greg made multiple trips to TiVo Fanatic's house (which is a mobile home) to try to get back his TiVo, and finally after getting the police involved, was able to enforce the recovery of his property.
TiVo Fanatic, who has multiple ID's, could be banned for this, but at greg's request, he allowed him to temporarily stay on to answer people's questions, so we could know what went on in his mind to do this crime.
It sounds like what was supposed to be a temporary stay on the permaban maybe has become a permanent stay.

MikeMar

03-04-2008, 04:41 PM

Crazy, I think I remember reading this now, at least the beginning

Just nuts

greg_burns

03-04-2008, 04:45 PM

After sleuthing, greg burns identified his scammer as TiVo Fanatic. (Before then, AFAIK, he didn't know his scammer was a TCFer.)

I knew him as TCFer under another alias. His, um, unique posting style gave him away as using multiple identites. Which was confirmed by a moderator via his IP address.

Surprises me, that a certain current user (cough *netsurfer*) is allowed to create new login in every couple weeks, yet nothing is done about that.

TivoFanatic and I kissed and made up. EOM.

rainwater

03-04-2008, 04:59 PM

Surprises me, that a certain current user (cough *netsurfer*) is allowed to create new login in every couple weeks, yet nothing is done about that.

That is because the new "team" running the site doesn't seem to enforce any of the rules that made this site so good for the last several years. In the past, these issues would of been taken care of and rule breaking was handled very promptly.

jtlytle

03-04-2008, 05:56 PM

TivoFanatic and I kissed and made up. EOM.
Did you and Netsurfer kissed and made up? :p

edrock200

03-05-2008, 01:40 AM

Did you ever get the remote? the 400gb drive? Regardless of what I think, Tivo Fanatics #1 goal should have been making things right with you, and you pointed out two clear ways to do that. I really hope he came through, but I'm not betting on it.

greg_burns

03-05-2008, 08:36 AM

clam729

03-05-2008, 10:38 AM

TivoFanatic and I kissed and made up. EOM.
Screenshots or it didn't happen :D

Netbudda

03-06-2008, 12:00 PM

Holy crap BATMAN !!!! How did I miss this thread until today.......? Man, Greg you are too good, there is no way I could trust this cat again, that's the way it goes. Do I believe he deserves an opportunity ? SURE....I believe he should start fresh somewhere else and learn from his mistakes, but he should not be allowed to stay here. No different than caught stealing at work, you get fired even if you repent, you go somewhere else and change your ways...why would you want to be in a place where you are not trusted...? He will always be remembered as the guy who tried to steal from Greg...even in the year 2025.

SGR215

03-06-2008, 07:38 PM

greg_burns, I commend you on how well you handled this. At the risk of sounding like a stereotypical internet tough guy, I probably would have lost my composure after tracking him down and it probably would have ended up with me having a physical confrontation with the guy or worse if he refused to give me the Tivo back. (Which inevitability would have made me just as bad as this POS in the first place) You must be one patient person! Well done. :up:

Dan203

03-07-2008, 02:40 AM

Lets let sleeping dogs lye here.

Dan