View Full Version : 2nd half 2006...!
etsolow
06-30-2006, 05:12 PM
...starts tomorrow! Bring on my TiVo Series 3!!
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ZeoTiVo
06-30-2006, 05:14 PM
Fasten your seatbelts :up:
nhaigh
06-30-2006, 05:16 PM
How great would it be if they did bring it out tomorrow.......................not holding out too much hope though.
I'm still praying they get it out before Comcast. I'd really hate TiVo to not get all those early sales because all the early adoptors get the cable version.
Dan203
06-30-2006, 05:53 PM
I doubt it's going to come out tomorrow, or next week due to the holiday, but maybe the week after that. :)
Dan
supasta
06-30-2006, 05:59 PM
Is there even much of a mention of an actual launch window?
At TC Con Pony said 2nd half. They're remaining very tight lipped about when exactly it's going to be released.
He did have a fully working unit with beta software on it though. So the beast exists, it's just *when* that's the issue.
Sirshagg
06-30-2006, 09:10 PM
At this point I could really care less when it comes out. There simply isn't much worth watching to TiVo right now. My opinion will certainly change the closer we get to the new fall season.
ckelly5
06-30-2006, 09:24 PM
I've got the comcast DVR now (just switched from DirecTiVo), and it's horrible trying to manage 3-6 shows (the thing has locked up on me in the first two weeks of having it. ugh). PLEASE get this thing out before the TV season starts and I'll have several times more shows to manage.
IMO, it'd be nothing short of terrible if a company that makes TV recording software/ hardware didn't get their flagship product out before the beginning of the new TV season.
ufo4sale
06-30-2006, 09:24 PM
considering I just bought a brand new 32" LG TV last night I hope this thing comes at very soon. I'm not a patient person. If doesn't come out by the end of the summer I'll have to get it from my cable provide. I really don't want to do that but I can't go back to SD. I can't....I won't
Stu_Bee
06-30-2006, 11:13 PM
I wonder which one is coming out first.
- Tivo Series 3
- Comcast-Tivo DVR software (running on existing Motorola Comcast HW)
2nd half might mean December - just in time for Christmas. Sadness fills me.
nhaigh
07-01-2006, 12:08 AM
I wonder which one is coming out first.
- Tivo Series 3
- Comcast-Tivo DVR software (running on existing Motorola Comcast HW)
Which ever one it is I'm there on day one!!!! I don't much care if its a Comcast S3 or a TiVo S3 just so long as it is an HD TiVo. I'm guessing the Comcast one will probably be cheaper up front as well.
Gregor
07-01-2006, 12:24 AM
I hope it's not Comcast. The Moto 6412 just doesn't have the disk space to make it worthwhile.
12 hrs of recording do not a DVR make.
JasonRossSmith
07-01-2006, 12:48 AM
Wanna hear something really sad? I came accross a guy selling the original Tivo Unit that was lifetimed prior to Jan, 2000 on E-Bay today. It was obvious he didn't know it could be transfered because there was no reserve, no "buy it now", no mention of that incredible advantage, and the bid was like under $10....
So what do I do instead of buying the thing? I message the guy and tell him about it so he wouldn't get taken advantage of.
Sometimes doing the right thing is painful.....
moyekj
07-01-2006, 01:18 AM
Comcast Tivo seems to be approaching Beta phase. See Comcast employee "scanpa" posts here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7901030&&#post7901030
I don't think there is an outright admission that Beta is near but certainly suggestions of it.
Personally I'm not interested in Comcast Tivo and hope the S3 becomes available first. I'm sure Tivo marketing would prefer it that way. Many of the problems of the Motorola DCT64xx are related to the underlying Motorola firmware upon which Tivo will be built, so I doubt the Comcast Tivo will be much more reliable. Besides it will no doubt be a crippled version compared to the S3 and with less features for sure.
Comcast Tivo seems to be approaching Beta phase. See Comcast employee "scanpa" posts here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7901030&&#post7901030
I don't think there is an outright admission that Beta is near but certainly suggestions of it.
Personally I'm not interested in Comcast Tivo and hope the S3 becomes available first. I'm sure Tivo marketing would prefer it that way. Many of the problems of the Motorola DCT64xx are related to the underlying Motorola firmware upon which Tivo will be built, so I doubt the Comcast Tivo will be much more reliable. Besides it will no doubt be a crippled version compared to the S3 and with less features for sure.
It's almost a given that the Series 3 will be available before the ComcasTivo s/w. Not doing so would be a severe blunder. Tivo marketing has made some serious missteps in the past, but there's no way they would make one that big.
I'm betting that it will be sooner rather than later in second half.
I say 3Q (August to October)
- Ruling from bench trial no later than 8/1 (likely great publicity for Tivo)
- Radio Shack rollout this summer
- Fall TV season starts late August
- Need to get early field experience and initial bug fix release out before Black Friday (expect most S3 sales from BF to Xmas)
Given that Tivo seems to announce things on Tuesdays, I'm going to say 8/15.
But I'm ready to buy today ... so the sooner the better. :)
Bierboy
07-01-2006, 01:54 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, you guys need to brush up on your math skills; second half doesn't arrive until noon tomorrow (July 2).
Turtleboy
07-01-2006, 02:04 PM
My guess is that it won't come out till Christmas season.
drew2k
07-01-2006, 02:10 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, you guys need to bruch up on your math skills; second half doesn't arrive until noon tomorrow (July 2).It all depends on how you look at it. If you divide the year in quarters, where a quarter is three months, then the 3rd and 4th quarters are in the 2nd half. Since the 3rd quarter starts July 1st, July 1st is obviously in the second half of the year. :)
Bierboy
07-01-2006, 02:25 PM
It all depends on how you look at it. If you divide the year in quarters, where a quarter is three months, then the 3rd and 4th quarters are in the 2nd half. Since the 3rd quarter starts July 1st, July 1st is obviously in the second half of the year. :)It's very simple...365 divided by two takes you to noon July 2. :rolleyes:
drew2k
07-01-2006, 02:28 PM
It's very simple...365 divided by two takes you to noon July 2. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
And 12 divided by 2 = 6. The next month after the 6th is July. Done. It's the second half.
As if any of this matters! :D
Bierboy
07-01-2006, 02:41 PM
It doesn't really matter because we're likely not to see the S3 for many months.
puckettcg
07-01-2006, 02:45 PM
July 1 or July 2 - aside from the fact that no one (okay one person) figures out the date by actually dividing 365 by 2, and everyone else either does by dividing the year into quarters or months (thus July 1) - how many release dates have there been on a Saturday or Sunday? I'm with the poster who's betting on 8/15, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were more like late 3rd or even 4th quarter. Actually, releasing it now wouldn't make a lot of sense because there isn't the urgency there would be in the Fall.
I'm babysitting my Comcast DVR, and fortunately don't have a lot of must see summer program in HD, but come fall, there is no way I'll keep up with a pathetic 22 hours of HD storage capacity. I don't watch anything in SD if its being shown in HD.
I don't mean to be a smarta$$, but why the heck not? How complicated is it to build this stuff??? They already have the software, and the hardware is ready to go. Do we think they're trying to wait until prices on chips, etc, come down to make a pricepoint or what??
I'm Soooo close to giving up on Tivo since DirecTV won't give me a Tivo based HD recording solution that will last and just go to my cable company's HD-DVR, but as my wife reminded me last night "tivo just works" and that's so true. Out of all the gadgets I own and things I've bought nothing has ever just worked for me as well as Tivo.
but none of that does any good if I can't freaking buy one. I want my HD-TIVO NOW!
rainwater
07-01-2006, 03:22 PM
I don't mean to be a smarta$$, but why the heck not? How complicated is it to build this stuff??? They already have the software, and the hardware is ready to go.
The S3 is using totally different hardware. There are a lot of new components. You can't just slap S2 software on top of it. The S3 software has to be designed for that particular platform. Also, there are many features of the S3 that the S2 does not have. It's not as simple as throwing some software on a new box.
TiVo Troll
07-01-2006, 11:08 PM
Wanna hear something really sad? I came accross a guy selling the original Tivo Unit that was lifetimed prior to Jan, 2000 on E-Bay today. It was obvious he didn't know it could be transfered because there was no reserve, no "buy it now", no mention of that incredible advantage, and the bid was like under $10....
So what do I do instead of buying the thing? I message the guy and tell him about it so he wouldn't get taken advantage of.
Sometimes doing the right thing is painful.....
Totally OT, but not everyone would agree that what you did was "the right thing"! I'm wrasslin' with it myself!
TiVo Troll
07-01-2006, 11:22 PM
Personally I'm not interested in Comcast Tivo and hope the S3 becomes available first. I'm sure Tivo marketing would prefer it that way. Many of the problems of the Motorola DCT64xx are related to the underlying Motorola firmware upon which Tivo will be built, so I doubt the Comcast Tivo will be much more reliable. Besides it will no doubt be a crippled version compared to the S3 and with less features for sure.
How do you know that "many of the problems of the Motorola DCT64XX are related to the underlying Motorola firmware"?
Storage capacity and TiVo's network based features will be the major differences between Comcast's TiVoMotos and TiVo's Series 3. But there will be a significant price difference to couterbalance that.
It will be interesting to compare Series 3 sales vs. TiVoMoto sales. Current Comcast DVR's may also remain in the mix.
nhaigh
07-02-2006, 12:10 AM
Storage capacity and TiVo's network based features will be the major differences between Comcast's TiVoMotos and TiVo's Series 3. But there will be a significant price difference to couterbalance that.
The Comcast press release did say they were going to exploit the network features of the TiVo software. If that is the case then storage is less of an issue as you can archive material off to a PC hard drive.
JasonRossSmith
07-02-2006, 12:29 AM
Totally OT, but not everyone would agree that what you did was "the right thing"! I'm wrasslin' with it myself!
agreed, totally off topic. and after I realized the guy lied to end the auction early claiming it was "lost/damaged" I regreted it....
moyekj
07-02-2006, 02:53 AM
How do you know that "many of the problems of the Motorola DCT64XX are related to the underlying Motorola firmware"?
Storage capacity and TiVo's network based features will be the major differences between Comcast's TiVoMotos and TiVo's Series 3. But there will be a significant price difference to couterbalance that.
It will be interesting to compare Series 3 sales vs. TiVoMoto sales. Current Comcast DVR's may also remain in the mix. I know the underlying firmware has problems because if you look across cable markets with the DCT64xx & DCT34xx with totally different DVR software (Iguide, Passport Echo just to name 2) there were problems that were only fixed with a Motorola firmware upgrade. For example there were a lot of HDMI problems as well as firewire issues that were resolved with Motorola firmware upgrades. There are still firewire related issues that span multiple markets. These are lower level firmware functions more related to the hardware which Tivo is/will be built over. In the early days of cable company DVRs a firmware upgrade was needed before dual tuner functionality became possible.
As far as differences the ones you mention are huge but don't forget some other major things such as OTA tuning and mpeg4 playback. I'm not even so sure the TivoMoto will have TivoToGo and the 30-sec skip hack.
HDTivoDesire
07-02-2006, 03:03 AM
I'm really discouraged. I heard the Series 3 is already obsolete because CableCard 1.0 is obsolete. Many cable systems will be switching to Switched digital, which is not compatible with CableCard 1.0. :(
nhaigh
07-02-2006, 10:01 AM
I know the underlying firmware has problems because if you look across cable markets with the DCT64xx & DCT34xx with totally different DVR software (Iguide, Passport Echo just to name 2) there were problems that were only fixed with a Motorola firmware upgrade. For example there were a lot of HDMI problems as well as firewire issues that were resolved with Motorola firmware upgrades. There are still firewire related issues that span multiple markets. These are lower level firmware functions more related to the hardware which Tivo is/will be built over. In the early days of cable company DVRs a firmware upgrade was needed before dual tuner functionality became possible.
So if they are now fixed why are we worrying about them affecting TiVo's implementation.
lessd
07-02-2006, 10:31 AM
July 1 or July 2 - aside from the fact that no one (okay one person) figures out the date by actually dividing 365 by 2, and everyone else either does by dividing the year into quarters or months (thus July 1) - how many release dates have there been on a Saturday or Sunday? I'm with the poster who's betting on 8/15, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were more like late 3rd or even 4th quarter. Actually, releasing it now wouldn't make a lot of sense because there isn't the urgency there would be in the Fall.
I'm babysitting my Comcast DVR, and fortunately don't have a lot of must see summer program in HD, but come fall, there is no way I'll keep up with a pathetic 22 hours of HD storage capacity. I don't watch anything in SD if its being shown in HD.
Your Moto gives you 22 hours when mine gives me only about 14, what do you have? I have Moto 34xx from Comcast.
tase2
07-03-2006, 07:31 AM
My Birthday is next week. Wouldn't be nice if I could tell my wife to buy me the new Series 3 that just came out ;)
wmcbrine
07-03-2006, 01:17 PM
It's almost a given that the Series 3 will be available before the ComcasTivo s/w. Not doing so would be a severe blunder. Tivo marketing has made some serious missteps in the past, but there's no way they would make one that big....unless it's part of the deal with Comcast. In that case, it might not be a mistake, because the Comcast deal may get them more revenue than the Series 3 anyway.
I think they both need to come out before the new TV season starts. And of course, when I say that, I'm going by the new season of Stargate, which starts on July 14th. :D
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