No Local Channels with HR10-250 ?

[cancun64]

Why is it we can not get local channels with the HR10-250 ? Does this make sense to anybody ?

[jseelna]

You can receive Local channels with the HR10-250 either in SD from Direct TV or in HD OTA using an antenna. The HR10-250 cannot receive the DirecTV HD locals(if available in your area) because the new local market HD channels are being delivered in an MPEG4 format. The HR10-250 can only decode MPEG2 -- From what I understand, the decoder is part of the hardware of the unit and not the software, so no update will allow the HR10-250 to receive the MPEG4 streams.

[JimSpence]

Please explain. Are you trying to get your local HD channels from DirecTV? If so, then you probably need the MPEG4 capable reciever. If you are trying to get them OTA, then you just need to connect an antenna to the HR10. Go to antennaweb.org to find out what channels you can get at your location.

[cancun64]

Please explain. Are you trying to get your local HD channels from DirecTV? If so, then you probably need the MPEG4 capable reciever. If you are trying to get them OTA, then you just need to connect an antenna to the HR10. Go to antennaweb.org to find out what channels you can get at your location.

I will be receiving local HD channels from DTV. It just makes no sense to me.
What about channels like the YES ntwork or Sportsnet New York that broadcast games in HD will I be able to view the games in HD with the HR10-250.
Does anybody know when DTV comes out with the new hardware to get the local channels will they charge for it or just swap out your HR10-250 /

[samberger]

read again what jseelna said. you can get local channels from dtv, just not in hd. it's because the hd version of local channels are being sent via mpeg4, and the hr10-250 can only decode mpeg2. which is why you should at least use an indoor antenna to pick up the local hd broadcasts via ota. as far as the other channels you mentioned, you should be good to go receiving the hd versions with the hr10-250 as those are still mpeg2.

and you'll probably have to pay some kind of upgrade fee (i'm hearing anywhere between $20-$100) to get the new mpeg4 dvr when it becomes available later this year.

[cancun64]

read again what jseelna said. you can get local channels from dtv, just not in hd. it's because the hd version of local channels are being sent via mpeg4, and the hr10-250 can only decode mpeg2. which is why you should at least use an indoor antenna to pick up the local hd broadcasts via ota. as far as the other channels you mentioned, you should be good to go receiving the hd versions with the hr10-250 as those are still mpeg2.

and you'll probably have to pay some kind of upgrade fee (i'm hearing anywhere between $20-$100) to get the new mpeg4 dvr when it becomes available later this year.

How much does an OTA Attenna cost ? DTV is quoting me $50.00 for one from them. with the attenna what is the reception quality like ?

[samberger]

depending on your distance from the local broadcast towers, this may be all you need.

silver sensor (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006FXR9/002-9935823-6972868?v=glance&n=172282)

[Adam1115]

You can receive Local channels with the HR10-250 either in SD from Direct TV or in HD OTA using an antenna. The HR10-250 cannot receive the DirecTV HD locals(if available in your area)

Not entirely true, if you are in LA or NY or a white area you can receive the Big 4 in HD still...

[cancun64]

Not entirely true, if you are in LA or NY or a white area you can receive the Big 4 in HD still...
Please explain this, What is a white area ? DTV said I need an atenna in NYC

[vertigo235]

Please explain this, What is a white area ? DTV said I need an atenna in NYC

White area is basically nowhere, if you live in nowhere you are are in a white area.

If you are in NYC then you should be able to receive the big 4 via MPEG 2, however, it's not known how long this will be true.

[generalpatton71]

Please explain this, What is a white area ? DTV said I need an atenna in NYC
D* has used NYC as it's national NBC,CBS,FOX,ABC HD feeds. These have always been mpeg2 and thats why the HDTV Tivo can get these channels. So if you live in NYC then you can get these channels from D* .

D* has launched a new Sat that is MPEG4 only and it's being used for locals only as of right now. The H10-250 is not cable of decoding those channels. Only new Mpeg4 rec. that D* is just now releasing are able to, and non of them as of yet are DVR's.

[Adam1115]

White area is basically nowhere, if you live in nowhere you are are in a white area.

If you are in NYC then you should be able to receive the big 4 via MPEG 2, however, it's not known how long this will be true.

You are totally wrong, but don't let that stop you...

There ARE white areas that are not in range to qualify as a grade B signal for any DMA and are allowed access to distant locals without a waiver.

I know, because I 'moved' to one. I get my Denver SD Locals and distant HD LA Locals because service address is in an area that qualifies.

Just go here:
http://directvdnseligibility.decisionmark.com/app/AddressForm.aspx

to see if your address qualifies. You can just kepe trying addresses and cities until you find one that does.

[TyroneShoes]

Well, yes. "White" areas are those zipcodes typically outside of grade B contours, while "red" areas are those typically inside them. "Red", means "no DNS service without a waiver", although for HD things are very confused at apparently every level. Unfortunately, there are folks who live in "Red" zips that still can't receive a signal, or get a waiver, so are technically disenfranchised by a flawed system. Sometimes "moving" is the only option.

[joetoronto]

Well, yes. "White" areas are those zipcodes typically outside of grade B contours, while "red" areas are those typically inside them. "Red", means "no DNS service without a waiver", although for HD things are very confused at apparently every level. Unfortunately, there are folks who live in "Red" zips that still can't receive a signal, or get a waiver, so are technically disenfranchised by a flawed system. Sometimes "moving" is the only option.


that "move" to new york city i made last year sure paid off. :)

[bababooey316]

Let me understand this, currently I live in Chicago and I receive Network feeds in SD for NBC,ABC,FOX from LA. I also receive my locals in SD. I just upgraded one of my receivers to HD. I got the HR10-250, I currently do not get the LA feeds in HD. Since I currently have the LA feeds in SD, could I just add those channels as well for HD???

[ebonovic]

No...

1) Being in Chicago, you "shouldn't" have SD locals from LA, they should be from NY if you have them at all... (Note: You really shouldn't have those either... seeing that Chicago has locals broadcasted)

2) Just becaues you have SD authorized, it doesn't carry to HD authorization

3) If you do get them to authorize them, it will be from NY... but it is going to be very difficult and HD Locals are available for Chicago... but since you have the HR10 and there is no HD-DVR yet for MPEG-4 they may activate the NY locals for you.

[bababooey316]

I will contact D*, I had the LA feeds for a couple of years now. The only station that would not authorize me in having them was CBS, even with the waiver request. I wanted the LA feeds because I could always watch the shows at a later time. I was given the choice initially. I will update you if I can get the LA feeds in HD.

[bidger]

I thought the deal was if your local affiliate is owned and operated by the parent company, then you automatically have waivers for that network.

[Adam1115]

I thought the deal was if your local affiliate is owned and operated by the parent company, then you automatically have waivers for that network.

AND another station in a nearby DMA doesn't claim you. OR they still might disagree that you can't receive it ota..

[TyroneShoes]

I thought the deal was if your local affiliate is owned and operated by the parent company, then you automatically have waivers for that network.
That's what I meant by confusing at every level. This is apparently the policy, but the second you whisper the word "waiver" to a CSR, their eyes glaze over and they go into analog mode, and they typically refuse to go any further until they have an analog waiver in their hot little hands, even though that is a completely separate issue. It's not just them, there are plenty of denizens of these very forums that can't seem to make that distinction, either.

I was careful not to utter the word "waiver" to my CSR, but I was also lucky. I simply said "KSAZ is an O&O. You are going to turn KTTV-11 in LA on for me, aren't you?" (fully expecting a battle royal), and my CSR said "Sure thing." Problem solved.

[generalpatton71]

That's what I meant by confusing at every level. This is apparently the policy, but the second you whisper the word "waiver" to a CSR, their eyes glaze over and they go into analog mode, and they typically refuse to go any further until they have an analog waiver in their hot little hands, even though that is a completely separate issue. It's not just them, there are plenty of denizens of these very forums that can't seem to make that distinction, either.

I was careful not to utter the word "waiver" to my CSR, but I was also lucky. I simply said "KSAZ is an O&O. You are going to turn KTTV-11 in LA on for me, aren't you?" (fully expecting a battle royal), and my CSR said "Sure thing." Problem solved.

You must be a geat Jedi Master.

[kalphoto]

I just got the HR10-250 this morning. I was fortunate to get in on the Sunday Ticket free deal (except $20 for shipping).

I didn't get the HD channels because I don't need them and there are not enough yet. I got the HD Tivo to use for NFL Sunday Ticket and HBO.

Anyway, it "appears" that I am getting local HD channels. I live in Los Angeles. I now get the major networks in the "HD channel range 70-90". Are these going to stay? If so, how long before it goes all mpeg4?

I don't particularly care as I have an antenna ready to hook up, but if I don't need to....

Any help would be great. Thanks!