Survivor 4/27/06 *spoilers*

[YCantAngieRead]

I just discovered this elsewhere online-an interview with Bruce. Nice guy, it seems.

But at any rate, I thought I'd start a new thread for the episode since it's over now.



Bruce Is a True Survivor!
by Angel Cohn

Bruce Kanegai, Survivor: Panama

On last week's episode of CBS' Survivor: Panama—Exile Island (Thursdays at 8 pm/ET), Bruce Kanegai had to be taken off the island for emergency care. Though he survived a machete wound to the face earlier in the season, he was done in by severe constipation that was nearly life-threatening. The jury is still out on whether he'll return to Survivor's jury — the self-dubbed "Mr. Miyagi" is keeping mum, though we may find out on tonight's episode — but the sweet 58-year-old was happy to discuss just about everything else that happened during his stay.
TVGuide.com: I'm glad to hear that you are now OK.
Bruce Kanegai: When I saw [last week's episode], I relived that whole thing again. It actually all started about 12 days before, and a lot of people didn't realize I was hurting. I played hard in all the reward challenges. I won all of them! When I knew I was sick, I didn't let anybody know I was really hurting.

TVGuide.com: Until that final day, you hadn't really let on about the severity of the situation.
Bruce: It was a buildup. What happened about 30 hours earlier was that my urinary bladder and tract was blocked. They kept telling me to drink more water, and it was like a water balloon getting bigger and bigger. That was a big problem. Then I thought I was having appendicitis, or my abdominal artery was going to explode. My dad passed away from that.

TVGuide.com: Wow. You must have been really scared!
Bruce: I knew it was really serious. When I came back from the reward challenge, I was stuck with Shane and Courtney, and they were just flipping out [about the challenge], so the camera crews went with them. By the time the camera crews had come back with the producers and medics, it had been three hours and it was pitch-dark. They thought it was appendicitis, too, but it was too late for them to bring a helicopter, so they loaded me into the speedboat. I was carried off by a naked man [Shane], and the worst thing was that I was getting slammed by all the waves. [The trip to proper medical care] took five hours. It was worse than a rattlesnake bite.

TVGuide.com: You also got hit with a machete....
Bruce: In the mouth, yeah. When we got there, they stuck a catheter in me and over a quart and a half of urine exploded out. They were shocked and said I could have been dead. The first words out of my mouth were, "If that was Johnny Walker blue label, I'd be a rich man!"

TVGuide.com: You have a good sense of humor, even in pain!
Bruce: I became really depressed after that night, but I prayed, and if that was the direction God wanted me to go in, I accepted it. I prayed for all of the Survivors to stay healthy and not get hurt. I really felt I could win this, I really did.

TVGuide.com: You flew under the radar for quite a while.
Bruce: When the others came back from the reward and Terry came back [from Exile Island], I was going to say, "Terry, I'm with you, and I'll bring Danielle and probably Cirie." Danielle and I were getting very close. Courtney would want to go with them, and that means Aras was first to go, and Shane.

TVGuide.com: Your health is most important, but is there part of you that's sad you didn't get to play to the end?
Bruce: Oh, yeah. I felt like I got [cheated]. I trained so hard for six months before I even applied — I was running 2 miles barefoot in the street, doing 100 two-knuckle push-ups, 300 sit-ups... and that was before my warm-ups. I was training in karate, teaching three classes a week, and I'd work out at the gym very hard. I'm 58 years old, so I had to develop myself mentally and physically for this.

TVGuide.com: When did you find out that you weren't allowed to go back to the island?
Bruce: I knew that if you leave and you have any kind of help, you're disqualified. When I got hit in the mouth and broke my tooth, they said, "We'll take you to the dentist and see if you want stitches." There was no way I'd be disqualified over this little cut in the face. I told Nick that I had white belts that hit me harder than that! I didn't want to go [when I did], but at that point, I knew it was, like, life or death.

TVGuide.com: I didn't realize your father had a similar problem.
Bruce: That flashed through my mind big time.

TVGuide.com: Especially out there with Courtney singing!
Bruce: [Laughs] I don't know what was worse! I don't know if it was some Indian chant or what. No, she has a big heart. Honestly, I was just going into some karate meditation to focus and block out the pain. When she'd interrupt, I'd feel the pain more because she interrupted my concentration.






TVGuide.com: When you saw the episode, did you see what they did to your rock garden?
Bruce: That was so wonderful, it brought me to tears. A lot of times on Survivor, you don't know what people are saying. A lot of people you think are friends stab you in the back and walk away.

TVGuide.com: It did seem like you were the "teacher" on the show, and they learned a lot from you.
Bruce: Danielle really stated that. We stay in touch and I really try to watch over her. I just hate rudeness. Shane was rude.

TVGuide.com: I was hoping you were going to tell me it was just an act.
Bruce: You know what? He's an actor and I can see through him. He's really a great guy.

TVGuide.com: Did you learn anything from your teammates?
Bruce: Oh, absolutely. Believe it or not, I wanted Aras to be the leader. When they said, "Let's pretend Bruce is the leader," I knew that was all BS. I would just smile and nod with everybody and think the opposite. Just watching Aras and how he runs and manipulates... he kept the group together. I learned from each person and their own individual personality. Sometimes I didn't agree with it, but there's some reason the 16 of us were selected out of tens of thousands of people, so I respected them for that.

TVGuide.com: Did you know Terry had the immunity idol?
Bruce: Oh, yeah! Uh-huh. It's only good before the final four, but I thought it would be Danielle, Cirie, Terry and me in the final four.

TVGuide.com: I loved the flag that you did for Gitanos.
Bruce: I painted a lot of that flag with broken pieces of bamboo and a real crummy brush. I'm glad they let me do it, because I just wanted to get the whole feeling of being on Exile Island, the feeling of Survivor, [on there].

TVGuide.com: Would you ever do anything like this again?
Bruce: Absolutely. I want to do The Amazing Race so bad! So bad!

TVGuide.com: Who would you take with you?
Bruce: I have this incredible human being named Tom Mozilla, who was a green beret and is a master in karate. The guy is one of the deadliest guys I've ever met. He and I have been training together for over 35 years. We'd be so dynamic — so totally amazing and deadly. I would love to do that!

TVGuide.com: Lastly, are you 100 percent better now?
Bruce: Yes, I am, but I'm sad about my school district. I've been Teacher of the Year six times, teaching for 34 years, and have taught so many wonderful students who have gone on to be professionals. I've dedicated my life to teaching. The day before I was leaving, I get an e-mail from the assistant principal saying that if I don't show up for school the next day, he was going to ask the school board to terminate me permanently. I asked for a leave of absence with no pay. During the whole time [on Survivor], in the back of my mind I did not know if I had a job or not. It ended up that when I got back, I was suspended for five more days, so I lost two months of pay. I still am baffled by one man's decision. I love teaching, though, so it didn't make me bitter. I'm back and having the best time with my kids.

TVGuide.com: I bet they think you're all cool now that you've done the show.
Bruce: They call me the "marker man," because I used to draw fast with a marker. They used to call me "Mr. Miyagi." Oh, I've got to tell you something real quick: When I got to the hospital [in late November], some of the nurses said I looked like Mr. Miyagi — Pat Morita — and somebody goes, "He just died today."

TVGuide.com: What a weird coincidence. Maybe you could get an acting career out of this.
Bruce: You never know! Or I could represent Casa de Charmin, or Metamucil or something. I had a great time. I wanted to make sure the whole way that I went out with respect and honor. That's the only thing that mattered to me.

TVGuide.com: And you certainly did.
Bruce: Oh, I hope so. Write that down!

[Rob Helmerichs]

Who would have imagined in the first couple of weeks that this late in the game, Cirie would be calling the shots?!?

My respect for her just shot up.

[betts4]

Cirie is definately playing the game. And not doing to bad. Then there was that last little smirk of hers at the end. That bugged me.

Terry wins again!!! I was glad to see him win again. However I am worried about the fact that he won the car. You all know the theory....the guy that wins the car never wins the game.

[Chapper1]

Totallly agree, Rob. In fact, I never expected Cirie to make nearly this far.

As for Terry, it will be nice to see him in the final four. Now that there are only 5 left, he is assured the final four unless he loses the immunity idol somehow. Hopefully he will break the car curse...

[JFriday]

So....Who's out?

[marct]

Oh MY GAWD!!!!!!!!

Courtney is gone, all due to the wrangling of Cirie. I think she managed to make her own bed. She is gone soon, leaving Shane, Aras, and Terry was a big mistake for her and Danielle. Ouch.

[marksman]

I have been bagging on Cirie lately because she has not been doing anything. Tonight I think she made one of the most masterful single tribal council vote plays in Survivor. It was a nice job. She took a direct shot at the two people who felt like they had the best shot to disrupt things.

Interestingly though, Terry can still survive by winning challenges, and he could win. I am not sure why so many people think they can beat Terry in the Finals. With 4 people on the jury and Courtney just getting screwed, I could see all 4 of the current jury members going Terry's way, and you only need 4 to win.

Again I applaud Cirie for executing a great move, and even more kudos for actually finally getting Danielle to do something she agreed to do. Shane is likely to go bonkers, no doubt.
With Aras, Cirie and Danielle tight, Shane is in big trouble and Terry still needs to win out.

I just don't know why they are so dumb to allow Terry to keep sending Aras to Exile Island. Since Courtney came in a strong second in this challenge too, the odds keep going down for them to stop Terry.

Finally let us see how much game Cirie has in her. If she ends up going to the finals against Aras she will probably lose. She could beat Danielle and Shane and it would be close with Terry, but I think he would win. Problem is there is no way she wins the final 3 challenge so she has to hope someone else takes her, which I just don't see happening. Danielle may be tracking to the final 2 with no chance to win.

[marct]

Uhhhh, when did they replace Sally on the Jury with some Super model. I couldn't even remember what Sally looked like while playing the game. I had to rewind 3 times, and still could not remember what she looked like.

Daaaamn!

[sushikitten]

I liked the car giveaway not being done in front of everyone - and we didn't see any footage of Terry mentioning the car...or either of the girls even mentioning Terry won a car... so did no one mention it or did we just not get shown or was it not a big deal? I can't imagine them not showing us ANY footage of it, since the car is usually a really big deal.

GO TERRY!

[newsposter]

1 yes that''s nuts..why no mention of the car

2 what if bruce had the idol..would anyone have known it now?

[betts4]

Maybe they/jeff didn't mention the car because of the 'car curse'. You know, the one that wins the car never wins the game.

I really want Terry to win.

[TBDigital]

If Terry can make F2, he's just about got it in the bag, assuming that Austin and Sally hold no ill will against him, and I don't think they do. Whoever comes out of Casaya as the other F2 will have stabbed a couple of people in the back, most recently Courtney, who, I believe, would vote for Terry at this point, and Bruce might too, giving Terry the necessary 4 votes. I'd love to see Cirie in the finals, because she has definitely played a good game, but if Courtney finds out who engineered her exit, there is no way she would vote for Cirie. Wonder who Cirie will pick to vote off next week...

[JFriday]

The look on Shanes face was priceless.

[Idearat]

Well played. On the assumption that Terry is going to make it to the final two, you need to be shooting for the other one. Too many tribal councils left for Terry to get himself and someone of his choosing there.

If Courtney is the one that everyone wants to go up against in the final 2, then she was someone you needed to get rid of. Now those people all need to come up with a plan B.

[danielhart]

I think something Bruce said in that interview may just be a spoiler regarding a possible member of the final two:

Bruce: "Danielle really stated that. We stay in touch and I really try to watch over her."

[TeeSee]

It never ceases to amaze me how little some players learn from past Survivor seasons. It would be good strategy to keep quiet about winning a car because of all the resentment it creates in the other players, and Terry has enough of that to deal with considering the way he's dominating the game. Maybe he didn't talk about the car.

That said, maybe he wasn't too happy about it. He'll need the grand prize to afford the gass that car will guzzle, especially at today's prices. ;)

BTW, is it me or does Shane walk like an Oompa-Loompa man?

[bigpuma]

I can't wait to see how Shane reacts next week. He is going to flip out about the vote. Next week will be awesome.

[hefe]

You go Cirie! :up:

She's in a tough spot. It's hard to see any scenario where she makes the finals. But having Courtney there pushes her a spot further back since the strong players that are likely to be there would take Courtney.

So I don't know if this can help Cirie win the game, but she made the best move she couold have, I think.

[thumperxr69]

Uhhhh, when did they replace Sally on the Jury with some Super model. I couldn't even remember what Sally looked like while playing the game. I had to rewind 3 times, and still could not remember what she looked like.

Daaaamn!

WOW...I had to seriously think who that was. :up:

Terry is the man. I am also rooting for Cirie. This season has been really shaping up pretty well. I was skeptical early on but things are really picking up.

T

[Ntombi]

GO CIRIE!!!

I have rooted for her from the beginning, and she has done well staying out of trouble since the first merge, working hard in the challenges and so on, but she outdid herself in this episode! Convincing everyone that she was on their side while keeping Danielle under control (a feat in itself). Bravo!

[newsposter]

I can understand about the winner of the car keeping quiet based on 1.superstition 2. not wanting to anger people. But weren't there 2 other people PLUS jeff that knew about, and said nothing about the car. In the premise/spirit/past practice of what jeff stirs up at tribal, dont you think that he would at least bring the car up or the other 2 girls would have brought it up before the immunity challenge?

I know they probably did talk about the car but didnt show us but that bugs me because it's not reality. Reality is that they would be all upset (ESPECIALLY shane) and we would never have heard the end of it.

[ILoveCats&Tivo]

I think the 3 I will remember most from this season are Terry, Cerie, and Bruce.

What a great show this was. Next week will be awesome.

I cheered for Terry the whole night...glad he finally won in on a reward challenge -- he deserved it.

And Courtney beating the guys (Shane and Aras) on that immunity challenge was great. Her meditation worked for her. I was very impressed.

At the time of the of the challenge I was thinking it would have been funnt to have sent Cerie to Exile Island.

I think Terry deserves to win with Cerie and Aras next.

Danielle and Shane: Boring and stupid :down:

[jradosh]

Can someone explain to me in simple terms why Cirie's move was good? I thought for sure that getting rid of a strong player like Aras would have been the move. Why (besides the fact that she's annoying) was it good to get rid of Courtney? I'd have thought keeping a week player around made more sense. :confused:

[ILoveCats&Tivo]

Can someone explain to me in simple terms why Cirie's move was good? I thought for sure that getting rid of a strong player like Aras would have been the move. Why (besides the fact that she's annoying) was it good to get rid of Courtney? I'd have thought keeping a week player around made more sense. :confused:

Apparently so, in Cerie's opinion. But they don't show everything.

Shane and Terry wanted Courtney to stay because they felt that if they made it to the final two with her that they would win because of her being annoying.

Like a previous poster said, unless Cerie can lock someone into taking her to the final two (if she makes it to 3) She is dead in the water because no freaking way she is winning any kind of endurance challenge!

[TriBruin]

Can someone explain to me in simple terms why Cirie's move was good? I thought for sure that getting rid of a strong player like Aras would have been the move. Why (besides the fact that she's annoying) was it good to get rid of Courtney? I'd have thought keeping a week player around made more sense. :confused:

A couple of reason that I can think of:

(1) Aras IS a threat to Terry in challenges, no one else really is. Without Aras, the chances of Terry running the table at the immunity challenges is likely. (The are also pretty sure that Terry has the immunity idol, thus nessecitating him losing at least TWO challenges).

(2) Cirie might be thinking that SHE could play the "doesn't belong in the final two" card that Courtney was in position for. If the other players think they can beat her at the finals since she has seeminly flown under the radar, she can get herself to the final two. There, all she has to do is convince the jury that (a) she was controlling the game (which now appears more likely) and (b) if she wasn't, how could someone like her ever have made if to the finals?

I will admit that I was critizing Cirie's (lack of) game play last week, but she now seems very much in control.

[marksman]

Can someone explain to me in simple terms why Cirie's move was good? I thought for sure that getting rid of a strong player like Aras would have been the move. Why (besides the fact that she's annoying) was it good to get rid of Courtney? I'd have thought keeping a week player around made more sense. :confused:

As others mentioned, it is a good move, at least for her, because the two most dominant players in the game both had Courtney in their sites as going to the final 2. They knew it, heck Courtney knew it too that is why she dismissed Danielle's fairness idea so quickly. Cirie also knew it, though, which meant a very strong likelyhood that nobody else is going to make it through. She would never get rid of Aras as that is her strongest ally, and perhaps her ONLY chance of getting to the final 2. By getting rid of Courtney she shook up some plans and made people have to do something different.

She was basically in a position of being in 4th or 5th of the remaing 6 players and moved herself into the leader of the strongest/only alliance in the game. That is a good move. It still won't likely get her to the winner's circle, but it did shake things up a bit and improved her position greatly. She had no chance at getting to the final 3 before she got rid of Courtney. With Aras being her only real ally, if he would have went, she would have been the next to go, and game over for her.

[ILoveCats&Tivo]

OK. Here is what I want to happen :)

1. Vote Shane off. Terry not going anywere due to Immunitiy Idol.
(Down to Cerie, Daniele, Aras, Terry)

2. Vote Danielle out (because Terry will win immunity again). This leaves Cerie with Terry and Aras. Since Terry will win this immunity also, he will choose Cerie to go to finals with him because at this point she will have pissed everyone off.

And Terry will win :D

[sushikitten]

I forgot to mention this in my earlier post (and I know it's been mentioned in other episode's threads) but WTF is up with Shane and how he walks? MY god that looks uncomfortable. And nasty.

[JFriday]

It never ceases to amaze me how little some players learn from past Survivor seasons. It would be good strategy to keep quiet about winning a car because of all the resentment it creates in the other players, and Terry has enough of that to deal with considering the way he's dominating the game. Maybe he didn't talk about the car.

That said, maybe he wasn't too happy about it. He'll need the grand prize to afford the gass that car will guzzle, especially at today's prices. ;)

BTW, is it me or does Shane walk like an Oompa-Loompa man?

It's not like he doesn't already have a target on him, you might as well try to win all you can, there is no gaurantee of the million.

[Lee L]

This whoe Cerie thing was treally brought about by Danielle blatantly and openly talking to Courtney about their deal and the crass way she broguth up the top 2 go to teh final thing with her. IF she had not had that conversation, Cerie would not have been able to orchestrate this switch.

[Joeg180]

Good Episode.

Shane trying to encourage anyone into beating Terry. Shane does walk like an oompa-loompa. The blackberry, come on, what a putz!

Cirie is only prolonging her agony, she couldn't make it over the first hurdle and Aras push her over and she fell hard.

Her catching the fish was a classic, she is a nurse, she has had to deal with worse crap than a fish on a line?

[jhausmann]

I forgot to mention this in my earlier post (and I know it's been mentioned in other episode's threads) but WTF is up with Shane and how he walks? MY god that looks uncomfortable. And nasty.

Diaper rash.

[Havana Brown]

Did Shane say his "partner" back home? Did he mean that as his business partner or his lover? :confused:

In the previous last week they made it sound and look like Terry didn't win the challenge. I was going to post here that it was probably Terry who won but they showed that clip after he won it and jumped in the water, but I forgot.

Good episode last nite.

[jhausmann]

Good Episode.

Shane trying to encourage anyone into beating Terry. Shane does walk like an oompa-loompa. The blackberry, come on, what a putz!

Cirie is only prolonging her agony, she couldn't make it over the first hurdle and Aras push her over and she fell hard.

Her catching the fish was a classic, she is a nurse, she has had to deal with worse crap than a fish on a line?


Before the reward challenge started and they hadn't been formed into groups, I mentioned to my children that I wouldn't want to be selected into a group with Cirie. Since the tribes merged, she's only won one thing (and that was an individual effort). If anything, that'll kill her in the final 2 (should she make it that far)

[pmyers]

Interesting quote from Bruce:
TVGuide.com: Did you know Terry had the immunity idol?
Bruce: Oh, yeah! Uh-huh. It's only good before the final four, but I thought it would be Danielle, Cirie, Terry and me in the final four.

[jlb]

Did Shane say his "partner" back home? Did he mean that as his business partner or his lover? :confused:

Shane did say partner and also he.

[pmyers]

Shane did say partner and also he.

I assumed he meant a business partner since he was talking about messaging on a Blackberry...

[macplanterguy]

Good episode! I want to see Cirie and Terry in the final two. :)

It was pretty cool seeing both Shane's and Terry's plans come crashing down at the TC. That was a classic upset.

Cirie isn't that good at physical challenges but it was the ropes getting tangled that cost them the reward by such an enormous margin, not her inability to go over the bars (getting shoved over was working for them). I would have to watch it again and see who screwed up and got the ropes crossed. Not that it matters, they almost certainly would have lost anyway, but it was close to that point.

[macplanterguy]

Interesting quote from Bruce:
Yeah, but I would swear I've heard Jeff say more than once that it's good through the final four.

It may be a moot point. I'm beginning to think it won't be played at all.

[pmyers]

Yeah, but I would swear I've heard Jeff say more than once that it's good through the final four.

It may be a moot point. I'm beginning to think it won't be played at all.

I totally agree...I would swear I heard THROUGH too...but you'd hope Bruce would know the rules

[hefe]

Usually the immunity challenge to get to the final 3 or 4 ( or is it 4 or 5? :D) is a Survivor & Castaway trivia game. Cirie will at least have a fighting chance in one of those challenges.

[JFriday]

Did Shane say his "partner" back home? Did he mean that as his business partner or his lover? :confused:

In the previous last week they made it sound and look like Terry didn't win the challenge. I was going to post here that it was probably Terry who won but they showed that clip after he won it and jumped in the water, but I forgot.

Good episode last nite.

I saw the commercial that makes it look like Terry loses. It was a nice deception by CBS.

1st they show them all in the challenge then show strain on Terry's face, back to everyone at the beginning then a close up of Terry's hands and finally Terry going into the water. Slowed down with Tivo you can see Terry is the only one remaining when he goes in. At regular speed it appears he's the 1st one out.

[Greg K.]

I think I could have done without seeing all the armpit hair in the immunity challenge.

Cirie showed that while she can't compete physically, and isn't exactly a survivalist (that fish catch was hysterical - she wouldn't even touch the thing.) She does have the ability to compete in the "outwit" portion of the game.

[richNYC]

Yeah, but I would swear I've heard Jeff say more than once that it's good through the final four.

It may be a moot point. I'm beginning to think it won't be played at all.I would think that if Terry continues to win immunity he could alwys offer the idol to whoever feels most vulnerable - in exchange for a promise not to vote Terry out and to take him to the final 2.

[ILoveCats&Tivo]

I would think that if Terry continues to win immunity he could alwys offer the idol to whoever feels most vulnerable - in exchange for a promise not to vote Terry out and to take him to the final 2.

Why would he do that? He probably figures screw them now, they just keep screwing him over and over. There is no way he should or would trust them to keep any kind of promise like that.

[richNYC]

Why would he do that? Because it costs him nothing.

[newsposter]

I totally agree...I would swear I heard THROUGH too...but you'd hope Bruce would know the rules

what if he said

through to the final four?


that would mean 'up until' wouldn't it?

[newsposter]

it had been three hours and it was pitch-dark. They thought it was appendicitis, too, but it was too late for them to bring a helicopter, so they loaded me into the speedboat.

why can't a copter fly at night? certainly a pilot could be hired at $$$ on a moments notice i'm sure

[hefe]

why can't a copter fly at night? certainly a pilot could be hired at $$$ on a moments notice i'm sure
How can you fly and land if you can't see? Seems pretty dangerous. These may not be high tech copters. Maybe lacking certain instrumentation (if that's a correct term).

[newsposter]

I just finished up the article....if he got approval for the leave of absence....then shame on the administrator...but if he didn't...welll..it's his own fault....at least he will have a good reference from the TV show if he wants to get a new job

i guess with the pat morita comment we can figure out the exact days of survivor last year (if anyone is willing to count them out :))

[warrenn]

Cirie isn't that good at physical challenges but it was the ropes getting tangled that cost them the reward by such an enormous margin, not her inability to go over the bars (getting shoved over was working for them). I would have to watch it again and see who screwed up and got the ropes crossed. Not that it matters, they almost certainly would have lost anyway, but it was close to that point.

I'm pretty sure it was Cirie who crossed the ropes. When she dives over the first bamboo pole, the underwater camera shows her going in on the far left and then coming up on the far right. When she comes up on the far right, she goes underneath a rope that leads to the next bamboo pole. That's what got them tangled.

[YCantAngieRead]

SPOILER DON'T READ!!! Seriously. If you don't want to know information about the immunity idol, don't read it!!! Or about the next round! Maybe you just shouldn't read it at all!

Jeff P. has been on record as saying that the immunity idol being returned to Exile Island (which it apparently is at some point after Terry uses it) is the worst twist in Survivor history. Now, I've read that secondhand, so I don't have the original source, so take it at face value. But the source was pretty good. But you can get what that might mean.

[MrCouchPotato]

I would think that if Terry continues to win immunity he could alwys offer the idol to whoever feels most vulnerable - in exchange for a promise not to vote Terry out and to take him to the final 2.
Or if nothing else it would ensure someone that he wants to be in the final 3 will get there.

[jhausmann]

SPOILER DON'T READ!!! Seriously. If you don't want to know information about the immunity idol, don't read it!!! Or about the next round! Maybe you just shouldn't read it at all!

Jeff P. has been on record as saying that the immunity idol being returned to Exile Island (which it apparently is at some point after Terry uses it) is the worst twist in Survivor history. Now, I've read that secondhand, so I don't have the original source, so take it at face value. But the source was pretty good. But you can get what that might mean.

If it doesn't get used at all, then it served no purpose and had no effect (like Terry's tribe would have voted him out) and that would make it the worst twist. A better solution would have been to have a time limit on the hidden idol. As in must be used by next tribal council or returned to be hidden again

[Idearat]

This whoe Cerie thing was treally brought about by Danielle blatantly and openly talking to Courtney about their deal and the crass way she broguth up the top 2 go to teh final thing with her. IF she had not had that conversation, Cerie would not have been able to orchestrate this switch.

Yeah, Danielle is an idiot, and an annoying one as well. I quickly grew tired of her telling everyone she was not going to "settle" for third place. She seems to think simply by voting the way she's told will "earn" her a spot in the final 2. (rather than winning a challenge on her own) The whole set of discussions about the two going on after the final challenge based on the order they win was something she considered "fair", and she's really obsessed on "fair". She'd never think it was "fair" that the person winning the challenge would have earned the right to choose.
Her misconceptions about what someone's owed or deserves has got her a seat on the jury, and is likely to heavily influence her voting. "You got a car? You don't deserve to win a million..."

[tedder]

Cirie isn't that good at physical challenges but it was the ropes getting tangled that cost them the reward by such an enormous margin, not her inability to go over the bars (getting shoved over was working for them).

She was certainly a liability in that challenge- she wasn't doing well over the bars, couldn't get out of the water without help, etc.

I'm amused (and appalled) that she has transformed into a player. She won't touch fish (wtf?), is afraid of leaves, can't compete in challenges, and she's suddenly gotten this self-important attitude.

[Idearat]

Why would he do that? He probably figures screw them now, they just keep screwing him over and over. There is no way he should or would trust them to keep any kind of promise like that.

If Terry wins all the immunity challenges up until the last time the idol can be used, then he'd walk into Tribal council with 2 immunities, and only be able to use one. In that case he could give the idol to someone to narrow the voting down to 1 of 2 remaining people, giving him influence over the outcome even if he can't work a deal with the person he gives it to.

If he wanted to mess with their heads, he could even lose that last immunity on purpose letting the person he wants to have it win. If they all then vote for him ( not totally sure he has the hidden idol) then the one person he votes for goes out. I could see Danielle, Shane and Cerie all being dumb enough to quickly vote for him, hoping he didn't really have the idol.

Giving immunity to someone might be better though, the potential of getting points with one more person on the jury.

[Joeg180]

Let's face it she could have been gone after the first challenge, but, she convinced the others to send the lumberjill home. Lumber jill who found a fish on a walk to get away from camp.

I wonder if Melinda is kicking herself for not speaking up since she and Cirie were told that they were going by Shane and Aras.

[marksman]

This whoe Cerie thing was treally brought about by Danielle blatantly and openly talking to Courtney about their deal and the crass way she broguth up the top 2 go to teh final thing with her. IF she had not had that conversation, Cerie would not have been able to orchestrate this switch.

Danielle may be the bigges c-blocker in the history of the world. She has screwed up several plans already.

[Chapper1]

Yeah, but I would swear I've heard Jeff say more than once that it's good through the final four.

It may be a moot point. I'm beginning to think it won't be played at all.

But my thought on this is if Terry wins the next 2 immunity challenges, he could approach the one person he wants to go with and offer the immunity idol to them in exchange for taking him to the final 2. My thought is that he could sucker Shane into falling for this and Terry could be in the final with Shane, causing Shane to go back on his alliance to get further, possibly solidifying the needed votes for Terry to win...

[gschrock]

BTW, when did they get another spear/hawaiian sling/whatever thingy? I could have sworn it was just the one tribe, and that it'd gotten lost. However, in this episode, Terry pretty clearly has it when standing out in the water.

And I'd have to subscribe to the Shane is gay theory. Just the way he referred to his partner, it never even crossed my mind that he could be referring to a business partner.

[pmyers]

BTW, when did they get another spear/hawaiian sling/whatever thingy? I could have sworn it was just the one tribe, and that it'd gotten lost. However, in this episode, Terry pretty clearly has it when standing out in the water...

my wife and I said the same exact thing! And how on earth are they not catching fish with it?

[hefe]

i guess with the pat morita comment we can figure out the exact days of survivor last year (if anyone is willing to count them out :))

I believe Bruce left on Day 25. Pat Morita died on November 25th, 2005. The math is pretty easy. :D

[Rob Helmerichs]

I believe Bruce left on Day 25. Pat Morita died on November 25th, 2005. The math is pretty easy. :D
OK, if he left on Day 25, and Morita died on the 25th, that means, um +7, carry the 1, divided by...no, that's not right, um, carry the 2, no, wait...

Dang. Glad I studied the humanities! This math junk is HARD!!!

What was the question again?

[JPA2825]

Picking up on Chapper 1's suggestion:

Assume the following:

1 - Terry wins immunity this week and is not forced to use the hidden Idol
2 - Hidden Idol can be used in the 4 to 3 Tribal (not just the 5 to 4 Tribal next week)
3 - Terry wins immunity next week and goes to Tribal with both but last chance to use hidden Idol

Jeff asks "Terry do you want to keep the immunity necklace?"

Terry responds "Jeff, I'm going to give it to Shane to keep the promise/alliance we made a few weeks ago to get each other to the Final 3." Terry walks to Shane, hugs him and says "Thanks. I really couldn't have gotten here without you."

Shane's head explodes from confusion and all Casaya hates him for scheming behind their backs.

Terry wins again and takes Shane to the final 2 with him.

[Sir_winealot]

But my thought on this is if Terry wins the next 2 immunity challenges, he could approach the one person he wants to go with and offer the immunity idol to them in exchange for taking him to the final 2. My thought is that he could sucker Shane into falling for this and Terry could be in the final with Shane, causing Shane to go back on his alliance to get further, possibly solidifying the needed votes for Terry to win...

But Shane "swore on his son's life" w/others...he won't go back on that. Every time he see's his kid he turns into a waterfall.

"Waaaaaaaa."

[Anubys]

what a great ep...this is what Survivor is all about...legitimate -- not manufactured -- plans and counter plans, lies and deceptions, betrayal...

And we had no idea about the outcome until the last second...

:up: :up: :up:

[pmyers]

But Shane "swore on his son's life" w/others...he won't go back on that. Every time he see's his kid he turns into a waterfall.

"Waaaaaaaa."

wait for it........

[DevdogAZ]

Yeah, Danielle is an idiot, and an annoying one as well. I quickly grew tired of her telling everyone she was not going to "settle" for third place. She seems to think simply by voting the way she's told will "earn" her a spot in the final 2. (rather than winning a challenge on her own) The whole set of discussions about the two going on after the final challenge based on the order they win was something she considered "fair", and she's really obsessed on "fair". She'd never think it was "fair" that the person winning the challenge would have earned the right to choose.
Her misconceptions about what someone's owed or deserves has got her a seat on the jury, and is likely to heavily influence her voting. "You got a car? You don't deserve to win a million..."
I think you missed the point of that. Danielle realized that if the final three is Terry, Courtney, and her, that neither she or Courtney were going to win the final immunity challenge. This meant that it would be up to Terry to choose, and she correctly assumed that Terry would want to take Courtney because he has a better shot of beating her. Danielle didn't like being stuck in that situation, so she got Terry to agree that the other two players could basically battle between themselves for the other spot. I don't think there was anything wrong with this plan, and it gave Danielle a much better shot at getting to the final two. Courtney was either very smart and realized that while the plan may be fair, it also diminished her chances in this scenario or more likely she was just being her normal, annoying self and just got defensive and didn't even think about the fairness.

So now next week Aras, Shane, Cirie and Danielle will have to choose to vote out one of their own. Based on this week, Shane would be the odd man out, but I don't see him sitting by and letting that happen. It will be very interesting to see if Shane and Terry put something together and can convince one of the other three. I think if Shane and Terry approached Aras and made a pact to be the final three, on the premise that they're the strongest players and they "deserve" it the most, it could be very interesting. Each of them would think they had an advantage over the other two.

[jhausmann]

Sad thing is, Danielle's unwillingness to stick with Terry's plan may end up getting her voted out next week. Both Aras and Shane owe Cirie (Aras for saving him this week. Shane for the diaper rash and fish). And what has Danielle done for Shane or Aras? Unwilling to accept 3rd may doom her to 5th.

If Terry wins immunity next week...

[marksman]

Picking up on Chapper 1's suggestion:

Assume the following:

1 - Terry wins immunity this week and is not forced to use the hidden Idol
2 - Hidden Idol can be used in the 4 to 3 Tribal (not just the 5 to 4 Tribal next week)
3 - Terry wins immunity next week and goes to Tribal with both but last chance to use hidden Idol

Jeff asks "Terry do you want to keep the immunity necklace?"

Terry responds "Jeff, I'm going to give it to Shane to keep the promise/alliance we made a few weeks ago to get each other to the Final 3." Terry walks to Shane, hugs him and says "Thanks. I really couldn't have gotten here without you."

Shane's head explodes from confusion and all Casaya hates him for scheming behind their backs.

Terry wins again and takes Shane to the final 2 with him.

Please do this. Please do this. Please do this.

[newsposter]

What was the question again?

see why i told someone else do to the math? That's why we pay people to do stuff we can't.

[MasterOfPuppets]

Yeah...I hate people that think they're positioning themselves better too...
Seriously people, they're playing for $1M, and if they think they aren't in position to win...win that is, not just get to the final 4 and leave, why not change things up and try to cause chaos in oder to get other people out...
Cerie and Danielle should certainly involve Terry in any votes to figure out how to better position themselves, especially since they don't seem to be any sort of physical threat in the challenges...Terry said he'd take Danielle and Cerie to the final 4 and obviously he's not in a spot to bargain easily with the Shane and Aras alliance...but yet somehow people say Danielle's an idiot...ya gotta play the game, "stabbing people in the back" to better position yourself is part of it...seems to have worked out alright for Richard, Brian and Boston Rob in the past...
Being part of the tribe with the most members during the merge will eventually mean that you're voting out people that at one point in time were in your alliance, and most players understand this, petty feelings aside...that's just the way it works...
Maybe this is just everyone's first time watching...
All that said, I was glad to see Courtney go...enough with the self-pity...

[stellie93]

The thing is, Danielle knew that Aras, Cirie and Shane originally had it all planned to vote for her. Terry and Courtney come up with a plan that will save her butt, and she's too stupid to go with them. She's not going to the final 2 anyhow, but with them she could've taken 3rd, which would pay more than 5th where she'll probably end up.

[spartanstew]

Cirie isn't that good at physical challenges but it was the ropes getting tangled that cost them the reward by such an enormous margin, not her inability to go over the bars (getting shoved over was working for them). I would have to watch it again and see who screwed up and got the ropes crossed. Not that it matters, they almost certainly would have lost anyway, but it was close to that point.

I was really looking forward to watching Cirie cross the "lily pads", but it wasn't meant to be. There's no way her team would have won that challenge, tangled ropes or not.

[InterMurph]

...ya gotta play the game, "stabbing people in the back" to better position yourself is part of it...seems to have worked out alright for Richard, Brian and Boston Rob in the past...

Richard Hatch doesn't count, since it was the first season, and he was playing against a bunch of guppies.

Brian won because he dominated the game, and brought the most loathsome player in Survivor history (Clay) to the final 2 with him. And he won by 1 vote.

But Boston Rob didn't win. He controlled the game, backstabbed a bunch of people, and then paid for it in the end. He lost by one vote, and Amber took the million. She won because she positioned herself properly behind Rob, who was the public face of the backstabbing duo.

[Rob Helmerichs]

But Boston Rob didn't win. He controlled the game, backstabbed a bunch of people, and then paid for it in the end. He lost by one vote, and Amber took the million. She won because she positioned herself properly behind Rob, who was the public face of the backstabbing duo.
Yeah, but Rob had a back-up plan that worked.

He might not have won the million, but he won the woman who won the million! :D