Dual Locations

[Steve Cat]

I'm buying a lakehome and would like to get Directv there as cheaply as possible.

Can I buy just the satellite dish, install it myself, and move one of my Tivos back and forth between Da Lake and home, without paying additional subscrition fees?

Will there be any complications from not hooking up to the telephone line since I plan on just using my cell phone at Da Lake? I'd probably just be using the TIVO at the Da Lake for maybe one week at a time before reconnecting the telephone line back home

[newsposter]

to be 100% legal, no you can't do it.

from a technological standpoint, yes, you can carry any receiver you have paid for and hook it to any correctly pointed dish and the most you will lose is locals if you aren't in the spot beam.

No phone connection is needed except for the initial install or to offload PPV. All you will get is daily nag screens.

[JimSpence]

I don't see a real problem with doing that as long as you aren't using DirecTV service at the two places at the same time.

[dhines]

I know 'someone' that has their directv billed out of there home, and has a dedicated box at two seperate vacation homes. So technically speaking it can be done, and that boxes can be used at the same time (meaning, while someone is using directv in Vacation house 1, another person is watching directv in vacation house 2). Does directv specifically allow this, no . . . but at the same time they are not making an attempt to stop it either, so i don't see any issue with it.

[rminsk]

dhines what you have describe is exactly theft of service and DirecTV is very concerned about it.

[BlindLemonLarry]

dhines what you have describe is exactly theft of service and DirecTV is very concerned about it.
They're not all that concerned about this particular scenario. My parents have this very setup...two receivers at home, and one at their vacation home. When they activated the vacation receiver, they were very candid with the DirecTV rep about it. The rep said, "technically it's against the rules, but we can look the other way." The same conversation happened again when they replaced the vacation receiver with an R10. They know that only the very wealthy will sign up for an entire new account, just so they can use it a few days a month. Most people would just do without, but this way DirecTV collects another receiver fee.

I agree with Jim, and have no moral qualms about this kind of use. So long as the service is not in simultaneous use at both locations, it violates the letter of the rules, but not the spirit.

[rminsk]

BlindLemonLarry, in your situation only one location is being used at a time. In dhines they are using both locations at the exact same time. DirecTV does have problem with that.

[BlindLemonLarry]

BlindLemonLarry, in your situation only one location is being used at a time. In dhines they are using both locations at the exact same time. DirecTV does have problem with that.You're quite right, I didn't follow the flow of the thread correctly. So while I stand by what I wrote, it was hardly an appropriate response to your comment.

I agree...simultaneous use of the same account at different locations is crossing the legal and ethical line.

[tigersfanjj]

Dtv has no problems with this.

I get all of my workorders from Dtv (no middle man dealer doing the sales). I have had several jobs where Dtv had me install additional receivers in the customer's vacation homes that were on the same account as their permanent homes. I highly doubt that Dtv told any of them that the husband and wife couldn't watch tv at the vacation home if their son was watching tv back at their permanent home.

[krs7272]

dhines what you have describe is exactly theft of service and DirecTV is very concerned about it.
Ironic thing is D* in there new comercials regarding there NASCAR sponsorship makes mention of the fans at the track using D* while camping out. Kind of looks to me that they are sort of saying being able to take a dish and box with you is a benefit over say cable.
I take my dish to the races and dont consider it stealing service. I pay for it I dont have it at 3 homes at the same time. I just take it with me when I leave a couple times a year.

[andretti99]

This is a good question, because I just recently deactivated my Dtv R-10 for the Hr-10-250 unit. I am in the process of moving to another location. And I wanted to watch tivo at my new location until if finish moving to my new location. So I set up another dish at the new location and moved the activated dvr-40 to the new location and moved the deactivated r-10 to the room were the dvr-40 was. I called directv and told them that I wanted to activate my r-10 again. And that was it. I have a total of 3 tvio's and 2 are at one location and the other is at my new location. All are activated and are working perfectly. I am paying for the additional receiver so it's not like I am stealing anything. Dtv asked not questions and it's like business as usual.

[tryptoneCRG]

It used to be common place for CSRs to handle this kind of request. We used to even set up secondary addresses for people with vacation homes so they could get thier locals. This privilege was widely abused, however, and D* now frowns on the practice of having accounts set up this way. You may be able to do it at first but if you ever have problems or talk to a savvy CSR, you may have your account escalated to the signal integrity team for fraudulent access. No fun. :down:

rick

[Boston Fan]

What does the 'signal integrity team' do?

[tryptoneCRG]

Catch people trying to stick it to da man.

[Boston Fan]

Catch people trying to stick it to da man.
I figured that :)
I guess my real question is how?

[IOTP]

What does the 'signal integrity team' do?

They are the "SS" of DirecTV signal theft. AKA Dish-Nazi's.

They "go after" people who steal service.

[newsposter]

What does the 'signal integrity team' do?

i think they go around collecting football cards? :)

[tigersfanjj]

D* now frowns on the practice of having accounts set up this way.

If they frown upon this, why do they still do it this way on a regular basis?

You may be able to do it at first but if you ever have problems or talk to a savvy CSR, you may have your account escalated to the signal integrity team for fraudulent access.

And imagine the lawsuits that will be brought against Dtv if they try this crap. After all, they are the ones that said it was ok when they set up these "secondary home" workorders.

[chuckleme]

Wow, I think all of you are being toooo picky about this.

You have a consumer who has a home and a vacation home. So what if they're using two locations on the same account? Who's gonna know or care? They pay for the service and a set fee for each additional receiver that THEY own.

Anyone who told CS "I want to setup 2 seperate accounts for the 2 homes that I own" would be someone that just had toooo much money to spend. For the normal person, they cannot afford to pay the full price for 2 seperate receivers at 2 locations.

If they were letting a friend or family memeber leach off of their account in this manner, I could see a problem with it, possibly. But as long as they own both locations and use both locations, then PFFT! Who cares?!?

The same goes for a Tivo box. Take it with you, move it from place to place, enjoy what you're paying for.

[dtremain]

Wow, I think all of you are being toooo picky about this.

You have a consumer who has a home and a vacation home. So what if they're using two locations on the same account? Who's gonna know or care? They pay for the service and a set fee for each additional receiver that THEY own.As far as I can see, no one here has said anything different from this about the OP's situation.

If they were letting a friend or family memeber leach off of their account in this manner, I could see a problem with it, possibly. No "possibly" about it. That would be theft of service, plain and simple, and the person should be nailed. It is the rest of us who pay for their theft.

[dhines]

BlindLemonLarry, in your situation only one location is being used at a time. In dhines they are using both locations at the exact same time. DirecTV does have problem with that.

stumbled across this thread and just wanted to clarify something . . .

i was referring to 'vacation homes', not residences where people are residing 24/7. meaning the situation was, house (perm residence), vacation home 1 and vacation home 2. unless there is cloning going on, there are no violations as you describe (using the boxes at the same time). just to add, i was speaking of what is 'technically possible' from a system point of view.

one additional point, as i understand it, directv was made aware of the situation and said (roughly), "no worries, if we were to stop this kind of activity our biggest spenders would be very dissatisfied."

IMO if this was a big deal to directv, they would do something about it (from a technical or legal perspective). as a user, i think it is foolish to implement controls upon ourselves, based on assumptions of what is right or wrong in the eyes of directv. ethically speaking, if the users are honest with directv, and directv allows it . . . and the system permits it, why get your panties in a bunch?