South Park: S10E3 OAD: week of 4/5/2006 "Cartoon Wars" *spoilers*

[terpfan1980]

Is there really a fued going on between the South Park guys and Family Guy team?

Such would seem to be the case after tonite's episode of South Park.

But then again, hmm, I saw elements of the Terminator movies, flashbacks in South Park land to the "who is Cartman's dad?" episode (depending on what happens ....), somewhat current events in the Muslim cartoon, and great swipes at the Fox network. Oh, I shouldn't forget the whole point about freedom of speech versus religious zealots that might be offended by such speech.

The whole head in the sand solution, just plain stupid...

Nice to see that Cartman really hadn't changed though :p

[terpfan1980]

BTW, since *I* created this thread, I deem that only running commentary may be accepted in replies. :D :p (J/K, but hope some folks enjoy the irony of such silly statements... :up: )

It's TV, discuss as you see fit and just plain have fun.

[vikingguy]

I could be off base but the whole pulling of the episode over religous reasons another shot at cruise and the scientologists for getting "trapped in the closet" pulled? It was an enjoyable episode the chase scene and the bury the heads in the sand got a good laugh from me.

[hairyblue]

I could be off base but the whole pulling of the episode over religous reasons another shot at cruise and the scientologists for getting "trapped in the closet" pulled?


Yea, that is what it was. Seems they are still angry over some people having the power to pull one of their shows. They made good points.

I really liked the show. Funny stuff. :up:

Hairy

[bigcb37]

Great show. It worked on so many levels. There was the shots at the networks for censorship, and pulling shows, a nod to Chef/Issac Hayes quitting (when Stan explined why he changed his mind he said he got sound advice from an old freind) and also poked fun at Family Guy.

I dont think there is any feud between SP and FG. I think SP makes fun of everyone. In this episode Cartman is the only one who doesnt like FG and its just because he is compared to them (ie SP doesnt like being compared to FG) so he then explains the difference in the comedy and writing on each show.

The only reason people compare them is because they are both controversial cartoons...

[Figaro]

I think there may actually be a feud of sorts going on. Whether it is a friendly one or not is the question. Both Matt & Trey as well as the Simpsons producers have been quoted bashing Family Guy.

[TAsunder]

Whether or not they dislike FG, which I think they do based on the hilarious spoof of it - and boy was it dead on - this episode seemed clearly still about censorship and scientology to me. Good episode. I like how much they are showing the kid-ness of the kids this season.

[bigpuma]

What, no mention of the fact that Kyle Tivos FG. They even had the sound effects.

[Mamoth]

Along with all the pokes and jabs folks already mentioned, I think it also poked fun at how the Middle East rioted over the cartoon printed by a French newspaper. How silly it was that people took to the streets and riots and killed folks over a cartoon.

[TAsunder]

It was a danish paper originally. I didn't get the impression they were making all that much fun of it. Some yes, but not roasting it on an open flame like they normally do. They seemed to be rather sensitive to the subject, in fact, for a south park episode.

[MirclMax]

Okay... what were they referencing when Kyle decided to join up with Cartman .. the entire scene seemed like it was taken line for line from something else that I just can't recall at the moment. Anyone?

[canyonero!]

Matt and Trey did an interview with Rolling Stone a few issues back, and the Danish cartoons subject was brought up. When they originally saw the riots on the news and heard it was over a cartoon, they thought it was the episode of South Park where Mohammed is a Super Hero.

I liked the episode quite a bit as well. I didn't make the connection to Comedy Central pulling the Bleeding Virgin Mary Statue and Trapped in the Closet until the first commercial break or so. Then it hit me and I loved it. Really liked that they said "or will Comedy Central puss out?" at the end, instead of saying "Fox".

The Family Guy spoof was dead on. I find the show funny as well, but the SP guys' critique was very accurate. If I were Matt, Trey, or any of the writers of South Park, I'd probably a little irked if someone compared my show to Family Guy as well.

[TAsunder]

Why be irked? Story aside, they are similar in many ways. It would be like acting offended if close encounters of the third kind were compared to 2001.

[canyonero!]

Why be irked? Story aside, they are similar in many ways. It would be like acting offended if close encounters of the third kind were compared to 2001.
FWIW, I did qualify it by saying I'd be a "little" irked. I just think Family Guy is a little base, and South Park tries very hard to have their shows be about real things going on in the world.

Of course, I say this 8 days after an episode where many characters spent the whole show smelling their own farts, so... ;)

[TAsunder]

Ah, I see the point. I for one think it's harder to make comedy out of nothing than to take something happening in the real world and make fun of it. For this reason I usually don't particularly find myself impressed when comedians make fun of people in the audience.

[chewbaccad]

Great episode that worked on so many levels. Lots of stuff already mentioned, but I also found it funny that they kept working in what sounded like the music from Armageddon whenever Cartman and Kyle would grudgingly work together.

[dolfer]

Do you really think that there is:

Going to be a Part II??? Or is this another Terrence & Phillip gag?

[dolfer]

Is there really a fued going on between the South Park guys and Family Guy team?


from May 2005

http://www.exclaim.ca/index.asp?layid=22&csid=6&csid1=3880

Look at the question "What's the meanest thing ever said to you before, during or after a gig?"

Actually, I think that the insiders of comedy and animation commonly rip on Family Guy for being too much like The Simpsons, and for its style of humor.

Personally I love Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons and far too many other shows to mention! ;)

[TAsunder]

I also wondered if there will be a part two or not. The way they ended it, "or will comedy central puss out?" made me think maybe there won't be.

[TxdoHawk]

I thought it was pretty funny, although certain parts struck me as "wow, the creators must have some built-up venom towards Family Guy". I enjoy both shows personally, though I know a lot of people that watched too much Family Guy and got sick of it. Given the style of humor, I can see that happening.

[bruinfan]

This was all Armageddon...

From the music, to the plan where someone gets left behind, to when Kyle won't let Cartman go alone after originally objecting.

"Let's take shelter in the community center... again!!"

[DevdogAZ]

I don't think they were bashing Family Guy. Well, maybe a little, but I think mostly they were mimicking the criticism that has been levied against South Park and using FG as the version of SP in their spoof.

BTW, since *I* created this thread, I deem that only running commentary may be accepted in replies. (J/K, but hope some folks enjoy the irony of such silly statements... )

It's TV, discuss as you see fit and just plain have fun.
:rolleyes:

[heyitscory]

It seemed to be friendly ribbing at Family Guy. They didn't say anything that wasn't true and it showed kind of an understanding and empathy because both shows have had shows pulled due to political pressure.

(Also, it pointed out that those Mohammed cartoons weren't that funny.)

[vikingguy]

It seemed to be friendly ribbing at Family Guy. They didn't say anything that wasn't true and it showed kind of an understanding and empathy because both shows have had shows pulled due to political pressure.

(Also, it pointed out that those Mohammed cartoons weren't that funny.)

I agree and the knight rider scene was a damn good spoof it was something you would see in family guy it made me laugh pretty hard.

[FauxPas]

Awesome episode. My favorite line: "You unbelievable son of a bitch. You never cared about the Muslim religion, or the safety of people in America... I can't believe I let you scare me into taking your side. You used fear to make me stop believing in free speech."

[Agatha Mystery]

My first thought upon hearing the TiVo sounds made me wonder if Matt or Trey visit the forum here. :D

[LordFett]

Part II was good. I really liked how they started it off with the Terrance and Phillip bit. I also liked that there was quite a bit of the show where they were talking about themselves.

I totally forgot about the Virgin Mary episode getting pulled and Mohammed being in the League of Super Best Friends (with Seaman & Swallow). I can't believe that Kyle converted Bart with his gay speech though.

[dolfer]

This just in... The image of Mohammed was actually censored by Comedy Central. Just like the rest of you guys, I couldn't tell what was real and was part of the episode!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060413/ap_en_tv/tv_south_park_muhammad_9

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eo/20060414/en_tv_eo/18798

[TAsunder]

The way it's worded makes it sound like they didn't censor it, but they said no before the episode was fully fleshed out. Could just be rationalizing there.

[ducker]

that's just really sucky... nothing the guys can do but pull the same stunt the manatee's did... stop making episodes. so sorry to see the run end, but that's BS...

[LordFett]

I think Trey and Matt are above "pulling what the manatees did", at least I hope they are above it. I do have to side with Comedy Central here, lets look at what the damage the strips caused from a "peaceful" religion's riots (I understand that most Muslims are peaceful, but how dumb is it to say you're peaceful by rioting?).

I'm one for always taking things too far, but we have to remember it is all fun and games until some gets a death mark.

[PeternJim]

It is also important -- very important -- to remember that the riots were specifically staged and incited by people who wanted them. The original Danish strips were pretty tame, but the Muslim clerics who spread them throughout the Muslim world added a few "extras" that were NOT part of the Danish press -- including one badly Photoshopped image that was originally from a French pig-calling festival, of a guy in a pig snout, which they altered and claimed that the Danes has published as a picture of Mohammed with a pig's snout. Pigs are unclean to traditional Muslims, so this was seen as a horrible insult.

It appears that it is the faked comics that most upset people, and then the non-upsetting ones were added to give a focus to the aggression. It is purely political.

Orthodox Jews don't eat pork, but they don't riot to tear down grocery stores that sell it. Catholics don't eat meat on Fridays during Lent, but they don't riot to shut down steak houses who are "insulting Catholicism." The real point needs to be that we need to allow others their own observances -- allow them not to eat pork, or meat, or celebrate holidays, or dance, or swear or use contraception, or show their ankles in public, or print pictures of Mohammed, if that is what works for them.

But it is entirely different when we are saying that the right principle is not to allow anyone to do anything that might offend somebody somewhere. Nobody should be forced to participate in something they find offensive, but we have to allow people to do things that they don't find offensive.

The public dialogue has to be about where and when and how much is appropriate. But it cannot be about creating an agreement that nobody is allowed to live their lives if it might offend somebody somewhere. Heads in the sand, for sure.

Yes, it is sure as f**k dumb to show how peaceful you are by rioting (not that that was the point) but it is even dumber to let the bullies take over the schoolyard.

I guarantee, your religious beliefs, whatever they are (or aren't) offend somebody somewhere. So do your politics. So do the ways you choose to spend your money, have sex, raise your family, drive your car, and spend your free time.

We cannot in principle agree that other people get to define those things for us because they might get violent if we don't.

[Lee L]

SO, i was behind on SP and just saw this and Part II last night. However, something went wrong, either the episode went a littel worng or I got bit by the wrong DirecTV satellite clock but and I missed th eend of Part I. The last think I saw was the President's helicopter decending, then it stopped. Anything good happen?

[Steveknj]

It is also important -- very important -- to remember that the riots were specifically staged and incited by people who wanted them. The original Danish strips were pretty tame, but the Muslim clerics who spread them throughout the Muslim world added a few "extras" that were NOT part of the Danish press -- including one badly Photoshopped image that was originally from a French pig-calling festival, of a guy in a pig snout, which they altered and claimed that the Danes has published as a picture of Mohammed with a pig's snout. Pigs are unclean to traditional Muslims, so this was seen as a horrible insult.

It appears that it is the faked comics that most upset people, and then the non-upsetting ones were added to give a focus to the aggression. It is purely political.

Orthodox Jews don't eat pork, but they don't riot to tear down grocery stores that sell it. Catholics don't eat meat on Fridays during Lent, but they don't riot to shut down steak houses who are "insulting Catholicism." The real point needs to be that we need to allow others their own observances -- allow them not to eat pork, or meat, or celebrate holidays, or dance, or swear or use contraception, or show their ankles in public, or print pictures of Mohammed, if that is what works for them.

But it is entirely different when we are saying that the right principle is not to allow anyone to do anything that might offend somebody somewhere. Nobody should be forced to participate in something they find offensive, but we have to allow people to do things that they don't find offensive.

The public dialogue has to be about where and when and how much is appropriate. But it cannot be about creating an agreement that nobody is allowed to live their lives if it might offend somebody somewhere. Heads in the sand, for sure.

Yes, it is sure as f**k dumb to show how peaceful you are by rioting (not that that was the point) but it is even dumber to let the bullies take over the schoolyard.

I guarantee, your religious beliefs, whatever they are (or aren't) offend somebody somewhere. So do your politics. So do the ways you choose to spend your money, have sex, raise your family, drive your car, and spend your free time.

We cannot in principle agree that other people get to define those things for us because they might get violent if we don't.

People basically have to learn how to chill!! South Park for one, has pretty much made fun of everyone from God, to Jesus, to Mohammed, to Moses. My thought is if you make fun of everyone but YOUR belief, then it can be construied as biased. If you make fun of EVERYONE equally (and Matt and Trey do that, Family Guy does that as well), then there's nothing wrong here. It's always going to be the religious zealots who will take this way too personally, because they believe their religion is the "one true belief" and that all others need to be converted. This has been going on since the beginning of time. The problem is, that we, as a world community don't understand each other's beliefs, and this gives rise to religious fanatacism on ALL sides. It's one of the reasons why the Communists believe in a religionless society, because in a sense, THEIR cause is a religion, their folks are taught to worship the state, not God (or whatever). If there was God worship, then that is a competition to State worship.

I think one of the things we need to fight as a society is religious FANATICISM on ALL sides, because over the centuries, terrorism, genocide and war has stemmed from intolerence to religious beliefs. There needs to be a push to have everyone understand everyone's religion and accept that people believe different things based on culture, birthright or whatever.

OK, my utopian rant is over...