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unicorngoddess

04-07-2006, 05:06 PM

I think they haven't gone looking for Michael because, as Locke said, he doesn't want to be found. It's not a case like when claire was kidnapped...Michael willingly took off on his own. And as for Michael, Mr. Friendly told them that Walt was safe. I know they aren't the most trustworthy, but Michael has already been lost to the effort of finding walt and Locke said they shouldn't waste anymore manpower on it.

MickeS

04-07-2006, 05:10 PM

So not only lacking sense of humor, but also horribly insecure? :eek: Good luck anyway. :rolleyes:

By the way, I heard yoga's good for you. No harm there. :p

:D

Delta13

04-07-2006, 06:09 PM

Why does there have to be a reason for her to be on the plane with him? Why can't it be coincidence? Do not mistake coincidence for fate.

:p

getreal

04-07-2006, 07:38 PM

doubtful since Hurley won the lottery (and then bought the box company Locke worked for) after the accident. If they would have crossed paths before the employee-employer relationship it would actually make that aspect of it superfluous.

I don't think Hurley would have ever crossed paths with Locke at the box company, as he only learned that he owned a box company after his financial advisor informed him that it had burnt down. Didn't Hurley say at that time "I own a box company?"

It should be in the "Numbers" episode if anyone here has that one handy.

DevdogAZ

04-07-2006, 08:30 PM

I don't think Hurley would have ever crossed paths with Locke at the box company, as he only learned that he owned a box company after his financial advisor informed him that it had burnt down. Didn't Hurley say at that time "I own a box company?"

It should be in the "Numbers" episode if anyone here has that one handy.
Here you go:
[We see Hurley in his accountant's office.]

KEN HAPLERIN: I would think you'd be happy. Every one of your stocks is up. Your interest in orange futures skyrocketed after those tropical storms hit Florida. And, you are now the majority shareholder in a box company in Tustin.

HURLEY: A box company?

KEN: Mmhmm. They make boxes, lucrative business. Everybody needs boxes. Which reminds me, your sneaker company in Canada. . .

HURLEY: I have a sneaker company in Canada?

KEN: Well, not any more. It was destroyed in a fire last month.

HURLEY: Of course it was.

astrohip

04-07-2006, 09:29 PM

Yes, that, and to make sure you're indeed in the office for another hour so her yoga instructor can stay for another round. :p

Cruel cruel cruel. But LOL :D :up:

Guindalf

04-08-2006, 12:33 PM

So not only lacking sense of humor, but also horribly insecure? :eek: Good luck anyway. :rolleyes:

By the way, I heard yoga's good for you. No harm there. :p

Ooooops, sorry, I forgot you Yanks don't understand sarcasm! :rolleyes:

TIVOSciolist

04-08-2006, 01:26 PM

And there's no way the hot chick hooks up with Hurley. That part was like watching an ABC Afterschool Special.

Let's see . . . 40+ crash survivors on the island. Presumably the sex ratio is about 50-50. At least four are married. Kate is taking turns with Jack and Sawyer. Michael's gone sightseeing. Eko is too busy being a carpenter. Locke spends most of his time in the hatch.

With these odds, even I could have a chance.

(BTW, in real life, Jorge Garcia has a pretty hot girlfriend.)

bdlucas

04-08-2006, 01:34 PM

Locke spends most of his time in the hatch.
Which has a bunk, of course. ;)

eugene82

04-08-2006, 01:55 PM

I really liked Lost until I saw some commentary about some of the writers saying that they would come up with a way to pull it all together...like they do not have a master storyline worked out. I wouldn't be at all surprised that as viewers grow tired on waiting for answers that are clever and that make sense and as ratings decline, that they writers who remain will take some lame way out--it's all in coma boy's head (St. Elsewhere), purgatory, fantasy island, projections of a psi-kid (pages of the comic book).
Does anybody else feel like the primrose path is overgrown?
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bruinfan

04-08-2006, 02:48 PM

(BTW, in real life, Jorge Garcia has a pretty hot girlfriend.)
obviously, it's because he's rich :up: :p

betts4

04-08-2006, 03:18 PM

DevdogAZ

04-08-2006, 03:26 PM

"HURLEY: A box company?

KEN: Mmhmm. They make boxes, lucrative business. Everybody needs boxes. Which reminds me, your sneaker company in Canada. . .

HURLEY: I have a sneaker company in Canada?

KEN: Well, not any more. It was destroyed in a fire last month.

HURLEY: Of course it was "

That says that the SNEAKER company was burnt down, not the Box company. So. There is the possiblity of them crossing paths.
Where did anyone say that the box company burned down? We know that Locke worked there right up until he left to Australia so I don't think there's ever been any thought that it burned down.

It's entirely possible that Locke and Hurley crossed paths, but considering the level of involvement Hurley seems to have with his investments, I think it's unlikely.

cherry ghost

04-08-2006, 03:46 PM

Where did anyone say that the box company burned down? We know that Locke worked there right up until he left to Australia so I don't think there's ever been any thought that it burned down.

It's entirely possible that Locke and Hurley crossed paths, but considering the level of involvement Hurley seems to have with his investments, I think it's unlikely.

In a post that you replied to, although they said "burnt", not "burned".

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3930647&&#post3930647

eugene82

04-08-2006, 03:55 PM

I thought that too, but now I'm not so sure.... Clearly Henry knew what would happen if the button wasn't pushed - at least as far as the hieroglyphics popping up were concerned. So either he didn't push it and he was being truthful (a BIG assumption for this character), or the others were involved with the hatch before, and didn't push it, OR they were involved in creating the hatch.

Regarding what happens - either nothing happens (as he described) or "something bad" happens. But as he's trapped in the hatch - why would he want them not to push it and have something bad happen in the hatch? He clearly does not want to die. So he may be telling the truth.

The other option is that something potentially undesirable happens, but the hatch itself is not affected. And although it may be generally undesirable, it may help Henry out of whatever trouble he's in. Hmmmm....
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DevdogAZ

04-08-2006, 04:04 PM

In a post that you replied to, although they said "burnt", not "burned".

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3930647&&#post3930647
Funny, I didn't realize that the post I replied to said that the box company burned down. I was just replying with the requested transcript. :o

eugene82

04-08-2006, 04:24 PM

I do have to wonder why Jack & Crew would just have left those supplies out there after they had found them that night. Wouldn't they know that it would cause a "riot"?/

eugene82

04-08-2006, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=Donbadabon]They showed us actual video at the end of the epsiode, where Hugo put his arm around an empty chair as the Doc was taking his picture.

So that proves Dave was not there.[/QUOTE/

eugene82

04-08-2006, 04:40 PM

The magnet could also be used to hold the blast doors up.

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scheckeNYK

04-08-2006, 05:16 PM

What if the experiement is a sort of Joe Schmo type thing. Imagine that each of the Losties thinks that they arethe only ones "in on it" and trying to evoke reactions from their islandmates. What they don't know is that each person thinks they are the only mole. So in essance, while some people think they are above the experiment, they are all actually being tricked into being part of a much larger picture/experiment. Just hypotosyzing.

eugene82

04-08-2006, 05:23 PM

Locke's mother was in the same mental hospital as Hurley and Libby.

Shannon's father was the other driver involved in the accident that broke Jack's ex-wife's back, and who died because Jack made the decision to focus on her.

Hurley owns the box company that Locke worked for.

There are several other examples of connections between the losties in places other than Australia.

Why was Libby in Australia? There are lots of losties whom we don't know why they were in Australia.

If not knowing why she was in Australia makes her an "other", than half of our characters are others.

The "evidence" that people are coming up with to suggest Libby is an "other" is so nebulous, IMHO, that you could speculate about the unknowns of any of the other losties and make an equally "strong" case that they are an other.

I really, really don't see it.

Some have suggested that her interest in Hurley is evidence that she is an "other".

Her interest in Hurley might be exactly what it seems. She likes him.

For those who insist that their must be an ulterior motive for her interest in Hurley, a far more likely "ulterior motive" would be that she knows he's a big lottery winner (because she saw the reports of his win on TV), not that she is an "other".
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DRobbins

04-08-2006, 05:31 PM

I believe Libby is a psychological liar.

What do you mean by a "psychological" liar? Do you mean a pathological liar, or something else?

eugene82

04-08-2006, 05:42 PM

Here you go:
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eugene82

04-08-2006, 05:52 PM

What do you mean by a "psychological" liar? Do you mean a pathological liar, or something else?

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eugene82

04-08-2006, 06:00 PM

jpepin

04-08-2006, 06:22 PM

So Ecko's building something, huh? How much do you want to bet it's a church?

According to this, you're right:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105866.html

getreal

04-08-2006, 06:39 PM

According to this, you're right:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105866.html

Interesting diary entries. I think they're written by Rose. If she heard the name Henry Gale as the guy in the armory, and her brother is the original black Henry Gale, then I would understand her frustration. She has been to the hatch before, but would not be seen as a physical threat by the other guys (Jack, Locke, Sayid) who go there regularly.

eugene82

04-08-2006, 07:44 PM

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eugene82

04-08-2006, 08:16 PM

Interesting diary entries. I think they're written by Rose. If she heard the name Henry Gale as the guy in the armory, and her brother is the original black Henry Gale, then I would understand her frustration. She has been to the hatch before, but would not be seen as a physical threat by the other guys (Jack, Locke, Sayid) who go there regularly.
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DevdogAZ

04-08-2006, 10:08 PM

And what about the person Hurley saw falling as he was looking through the window? Was that Locke? You quoted the dialouge absolutely correct but did not mention the person falling.
Of couse it is hard to catch the first time on that DVD ep Numbers.
I didn't quote the whole scene. The guy falling came later in the conversation and I chose not to include it because it had no bearing on the reason for the quote. Why would you think it was Locke who fell? The accountant referenced a box company in Tustin, implying that it was in another city from where they were. There's no indication that Locke had anything to do with that scene or was anywhere near the accountant's office building.

betts4

04-08-2006, 11:49 PM

I also always wondered why people thought that it was Locke that was falling out the window. I had heard that theory before and was bewildered a bit by it.

I am wondering if a run in with the 'thugs' that were after his dad will be why he lost mobility in his legs. Maybe that is too cliche a reason though.

I did wonder about the food and why Jack and crew didn't take some into the hatch (or maybe they did) and why Jack or someone besides Charlie was there to organize and hand out food better. Where was Kate? They left it out all night and didn't sort it out or get it ready for the influx of people. I guess Charlie or Kate went back to the beach to tell people.
How often does a drop come? That was supposed to be enough food for at least two people (in theory the ones in the hatch?) but for how long? And I wonder if another drop is made at other hatches or for the Others?

Always more questions with Lost.

hefe

04-09-2006, 01:09 AM

Thanks!

I didn't know there was a podcast, maybe this will help that empty feeling I'm having without my battlestar galactica podcasts!

Emily
Check your podcast feeds. There have been 2 BSG podcasts in the last couple weeks. ;)

Delta13

04-09-2006, 03:00 PM

That was supposed to be enough food for at least two people (in theory the ones in the hatch?) but for how long? And I wonder if another drop is made at other hatches or for the Others? Since the food has the Swan logo on the boxes, it's clear to me that this food was only meant for the Swan hatch. This would also seem to rule out the Others needing more food and that the delivery went bad, wound up in the wrong place, whatever. How the other hatches get food - if they do - is a good question. If the Swan hatch is the only one with this big ol' electomagnet inside it, it makes you wonder how the other parachute drops are controlled.

eugene82

04-09-2006, 05:26 PM

And then Hurley gave everybody that got hurt a job at his box co.
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eugene82

04-09-2006, 07:28 PM

[QUOTE=devdogaz]I didn't quote the whole scene. The guy falling came later in the conversation and I chose not to include it because it had no bearing on the reason for the quote. Why would you think it was Locke who fell? The accountant referenced a box company in Tustin, implying that it was in another city from where they were. There's no indication that Locke had anything to do with that scene or was anywhere near the accountant's office building.[/QUOTE
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betts4

04-09-2006, 08:01 PM

Eugene, it seems lots and lots of people, Lost fans I mean, connected tthe scene of Hurely and his accountant with Locke and Locke being in the scene somehow. (falling out the window?)
My theory on why this is, basically is that the mention of the box company is a way of establishing their connection with each other. The same as when Boone was in the police station and Sawyer was dragged by or when Jack saw Shannon and her stepmom in the hallway of the hospital or Sayid was on the tv while Kate was talking to her dad or Hurley was seen on the tv while Jin was in the living room. Or any number of other things we have seen that has put two of the Lostaways together. Some from season one and some from season two.

greg_burns

04-09-2006, 08:42 PM

stevieleej

04-09-2006, 10:36 PM

Big_Daddy

04-10-2006, 09:21 AM

[small rant] Just read the new post in the Lost diary and I'm a little irked at the stereotyping of Eko. Since he's a religious man, he'll need to build a church. The last thing they need is a church. They definitely need shelter, a place to live, some place secure - but any church "meetings" could be done anywhere. Maybe under a tarp. [/small rant]

As gratified as I am that the evidence suggests I am right (for me, a personal first with Lost theories, but I'll believe it when I see it), I don't think this is simply a "religious man needs church" thing. I think this is a "Eko needs a church" thing for himself, possibly for his continued atonement. It also builds upon the themes last season of the people who wanted to actively try to leave the island, while others were accepting that may not happen and settling in more.

Moreover, this would not be the first time the castaways have done stupid things with resources they had available. Such as Eko burning the nigerian plane, which may have had other useful items in it - or at a minimum, its metal shell that could be used to bolster shelters.

jlb

04-10-2006, 10:09 AM

I like this theory.

And I think if this theory is true, then it was no coincedence that she was on the flight. I can't imagine two people who spent time in an institutution somewhere just happened to be coming back from Australia on exactly the same flight. Of course stranger things have happened!

My thoughts exactly when I saw the final scene. Libby...out to get Hurley's money.

How about this theory......that Dharma/DeGroot/Hanso/etc are in desperate need of money to keep their research going. No one is ponying up due to their "accident", and they "hire" Libby to stalk/track/watch/love Hurley to get money from him, so that they can keep their research going.

scheckeNYK

04-10-2006, 10:20 AM

I don't read the journal entries, but is it confirmed that Rose is the author? I keep seeing people talking about the author's brother and I have to wonder if that's a red herring. Maybe it's brother in the sense of "I am my brother's keeper." That would point to Eko.

Cboath

04-10-2006, 10:20 AM

Of course, Bruce Davison has been in tons of stuff, so it'd be hard to find him unfamiliar at this point. His biggest role in terms of exposure is probably as the anti-mutant senator in "X-Men".

After this discussion, I found it funny that I was watching A&E this weekend cause Spies Like Us was on and sure enough, there is Bruce Davison. :D

Martin Tupper

04-10-2006, 11:02 AM

My thoughts exactly when I saw the final scene. Libby...out to get Hurley's money.

How about this theory......that Dharma/DeGroot/Hanso/etc are in desperate need of money to keep their research going. No one is ponying up due to their "accident", and they "hire" Libby to stalk/track/watch/love Hurley to get money from him, so that they can keep their research going.
But Hurley didn't have any money at that point. He won the lottery by playing the numberd he learned from Leonard while in the hospital.

Is it possible that she was not watching Hurley, but actually watching Leonard?

Skittles

04-10-2006, 11:23 AM

Ugh.

I haven't posted in a Lost thread in a while... a big part of the reason why slapped me in the face with this episode. The second season just hasn't been on par with what the first season offered me (or as I call it, "Desperate Housewives Syndrome") and this episode reminded me what I've grown to dislike. The show has just become too predictable. There were a few scenes that were plenty interesting (Hurley's confrontation with Sawyer, the last 30 seconds of the episode)... but the rest of it was just substandard IMO.

I mean, really.... the whole "I'm not really here. This entire experience you're having is just a figment of your imagination. I'm a failsafe in your head that's trying to get you to come back to reality by killing yourself in your fantasy" thing played out so much better the first time in Total Recall. And the fact that Dave wasn't a real person was painfully obvious immediately after the first scene in the mental hospital.

Big_Daddy

04-10-2006, 11:27 AM

Is it possible that she was not watching Hurley, but actually watching Leonard?

I'm not a big fan of the Libby conspiracy theories....but this one is very interesting.

jkeegan

04-10-2006, 02:11 PM

So Locke must have been working at the box company when he was approached by his boss with the magazine about the walkabout.He was. When asked in one episode what he did right before the crash, he paused and said "I was a regional manager for a box company" (or something very close to it.. maybe the word distribution was in there).
I think this was when Locke was playing cards or some game as he and an employee were eating dinner.It was a war/strategy game if I recall correctly.
Also may have been the ep in which Locke was on the phone talking to Helen.
I seem to remember that he was in a wheelchair at the time...talking to someone he called Helen.. She talked about charging him for an extra hour, so it's pretty clear she was a phone-sex line or something similar, and that he called her Helen (as in "What would you like my name to be?").

Please, Eugene, insert a few carriage returns here and there. I get exhausted reading through those long paragraphs! :)

jlb

04-10-2006, 02:19 PM

I mean, really.... the whole "I'm not really here. This entire experience you're having is just a figment of your imagination. I'm a failsafe in your head that's trying to get you to come back to reality by killing yourself in your fantasy" thing played out so much better the first time in Total Recall. And the fact that Dave wasn't a real person was painfully obvious immediately after the first scene in the mental hospital.

Thanks for reminding me about something I wanted to mention (and I hope it is not a smeek)......But when Libby got Hurley to step back from the edge, and they hugged, we had a closeup of Libby shedding a tear. That reminded me of the scene in Total Recall where they knew what was/wasn't a dream/implanted memory since "in dreams, people don't perspire". I thought Libby's tear was a nod to that....you know...sort of like in dreams/our minds, we don't shed actual tears, so it has to be real........

jkeegan

04-10-2006, 02:20 PM

Is it possible that she was not watching Hurley, but actually watching Leonard?I'm not a big fan of the Libby conspiracy theories....but this one is very interesting.Beat me to it (Big_Daddy), I was going to say the same thing.. My money is on Libby just being a mental patient (nor Dharma), but if she is Dharma, that's a great theory. Good idea, Martin.

jkeegan

04-10-2006, 02:30 PM

Thanks for reminding me about something I wanted to mention (and I hope it is not a smeek)......But when Libbygot Hurley to step back from the edge, and they hugged we had a closeup of Libby shedding a tear. That reminded me of the scene in Total Recall where they new what was/wasn't a dream/implanted memory since "in dreams, people don't perspire". I thought Libby's tear was a nod to that....you know...sort of like in dreams/our minds, we don't shed actual tears, so it has to be real........Quick Total Recall tangent.. it wasn't so much that "in dreams, people don't perspire" as it was that the "guy" shouldn't have been scared at all - there was no threat from Quaid(Arnold) to him, since he was sitting at some psycho-probe console - according to him. Yet Quaid putting a gun to the guy's head made the guy sweat, revealing he was really worried, revealing that he was real.

Second quick Total Recall tangent: Many many many times I've argued with people about whether the movie was.. well, I suppose I should spoiler tag this (even though everything else is spoiler-tag worthy too, but..)..

I've argued with people about whether the movie was all a dream or not (I've argued both sides). I now believe they put in enough evidence for both sides just to get people to argue about the movie to increase rentals/sales, etc.. But one of the big arguments against most of the movie being a dream (from the moment he entered Recall) is that we see scenes that Arnold isn't in (such as when Richter is talking to Cohaggen) - why would Arnold dream about a scene that he isn't in, and doesn't react to?

The best defense to that argument is "It's just cinematics.. for the purpose of the story they can take some liberties with what's shown..".

In Lost however, by having Libby actually say out loud "that happened to me.. you don't remember it because I'm real - not imagined, and it didn't happen to you", they've effectively eliminated that artistic license excuse.. It can't all be solely in Hurley's head.. (we saw the stuff that happened to her on the other side of the island that Hurley didn't see).

jlb

04-10-2006, 02:31 PM

But Hurley didn't have any money at that point. He won the lottery by playing the numberd he learned from Leonard while in the hospital.

Is it possible that she was not watching Hurley, but actually watching Leonard?

I should have been more verbose in what I said.....I meant that after he was out of the hospital, and once they "knew" that Libby was in the hospital at the same time.......They certain could have gotten access to who was in the hospital at the same time as Hurley......

I also read this book (can't remember the title) about a year ago that was based on current fact/research/etc related to using EMG therapy to erase and/or implant memories. Now, I doubt the writes would make the whoe story be inside Hurley's head, but I could see the experiment being implanting certain memories into everyone's mind. With a story line like that, what we see as flashbacks would be "current time" and the Island would just be the implanted memories.

In the book, each time they "warmed up" the EMG machine, it made a lot of loud, electronic kind of noises. Maybe the "magnets" and the "noises" on the Island are the sounds of a machine being warmed up that are implanting or refreshing implanted memories........

Just a thought

jlb

04-10-2006, 02:37 PM

Quick Total Recall tangent.. it wasn't so much that "in dreams, people don't perspire" as it was that the "guy" shouldn't have been scared at all - there was no threat from Quaid(Arnold) to him, since he was sitting at some psycho-probe console - according to him. Yet Quaid putting a gun to the guy's head made the guy sweat, revealing he was really worried, revealing that he was real.

Second quick Total Recall tangent: Many many many times I've argued with people about whether the movie was.. well, I suppose I should spoiler tag this (even though everything else is spoiler-tag worthy too, but..)..

I've argued with people about whether the movie was all a dream or not (I've argued both sides). I now believe they put in enough evidence for both sides just to get people to argue about the movie to increase rentals/sales, etc.. But one of the big arguments against most of the movie being a dream (from the moment he entered Recall) is that we see scenes that Arnold isn't in (such as when Richter is talking to Cohaggen) - why would Arnold dream about a scene that he isn't in, and doesn't react to?

The best defense to that argument is "It's just cinematics.. for the purpose of the story they can take some liberties with what's shown..".

In Lost however, by having Libby actually say out loud "that happened to me.. you don't remember it because I'm real - not imagined, and it didn't happen to you", they've effectively eliminated that artistic license excuse.. It can't all be solely in Hurley's head.. (we saw the stuff that happened to her on the other side of the island that Hurley didn't see).

Jeff, thank you for correcting my memories (hah!) of Total Recall. I guess I am going to have to get my Baboon's Ass tin out and watch it again soon!

DevdogAZ

04-10-2006, 02:38 PM

He was. When asked in one episode what he did right before the crash, he paused and said "I was a regional manager for a box company" (or something very close to it.. maybe the word distribution was in there).
From "All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues:"
[Shot of Boone tying red fabric to a tree.]

BOONE: Red shirt.

LOCKE: Huh?

BOONE: Ever watch Star Trek?

LOCKE: Nah, not really.

BOONE: The crew guys that would go down to the planet with the main guys, the captain and the guy with the pointy ears, they always wore red shirts. And they always got killed.

LOCKE: Yeah?

BOONE: Yeah.

LOCKE: Sounds like a piss-poor captain.

BOONE: What do you do in the real world, Mr. Locke?

LOCKE: It's John.

BOONE: John.

LOCKE: Why don't you guess?

BOONE: Well, you're either a taxidermist or a hitman?

LOCKE [chuckling]: I was a regional collection supervisor for a box company.

BOONE: A box company?

LOCKE: They made boxes.

BOONE: Yeah, right.

jkeegan

04-10-2006, 02:43 PM

One other thing I'd wanted to say that I liked (if I didn't already).. I liked the ambiguity they kept alive by having Hurley try to hide the slipper from Libby originally.. When he later asks her if he had one, her answer is "I don't remember one", which is even more ambiguous.. First, he hid it, so she wouldn't see it (i.e. it might be imagined), and second, she didn't remember it (so maybe she did see it and it was real, but she forgot, or is lying).. Maybe Dave was imagined when at the institution, but manufactured by the island now.. (I do remember someone saying something like this, so that's a clearly labeled smeek.. if one knowingly smeeks and labels it, is it still a smeek? :) ).

Something else that I liked was Hurley being slapped (and feeling it) in the institution.. That right there was proof that he can imagine physical things.. Whether the rock thrown at his stomach is real or not is still unknown, but what is known is that at some point in the past when he was in the institution, it could have been real..

Why do I like that? Because it lets the writers do cool stuff down the road if they want.. What if someone or something on the island that we've seen for a while isn't real, but is only imagined by Hurley? We wouldn't be able to rely on things like "see! Person X is holding up that coconut - if they were fake it'd be hovering!", since Hurley has been shown to have complex, truly believed hallucinations.

Ok, back to work. :)

getreal

04-10-2006, 04:12 PM

... Hurley try to hide the slipper from Libby originally.. When he later asks her if he had one, her answer is "I don't remember one"...

My recollection is that Hurley asked Libby if she ever saw him holding a slipper and her response was a clear "No."

... Whether the rock thrown at his stomach is real or not

I believe it was a coconut that was hurled to Hurley's "coconuts". Or his belly. :D

Skittles

04-10-2006, 04:22 PM

My recollection is that Hurley asked Libby if she ever saw him holding a slipper and her response was a clear "No." Actually, Libby definitely said she didn't recall. :)

thenightfly42

04-10-2006, 04:26 PM

My recollection is that Hurley asked Libby if she ever saw him holding a slipper and her response was a clear "No."

The transcript:
HURLEY: When you saw me on the beach this morning was I holding a slipper?

LIBBY: Not that I can remember, no. {she holds Hurley's face in her hands} Hurley, look at me. I am real. You're real. The way I feel about you -- that's real.

{She kisses him.}

LIBBY: And that was real.

devlindark

04-10-2006, 04:34 PM

I used to love this show but that past few shows have just blown!!!
I mean who cares about this BS , Hurley and his imaginary friend woopedey doo!!!
nothing meaningfull about the island or the hatch came out - the one prior to this wasn't too bad with the hatch going into lockdown and lock seeing the drawing on the blast door
but come on the guy who was in a wheelchair and now can walk is the one who gets his leg hurt! man didn't see that coming. What was the point of that

Then this guy the other with his bulls*** balloon story - it has been such a drag on the story and has taken the focus off of the real story which is the island, the hatch and the others enough about dumb stuff that leads the story no where -

as far as hurley witht the food - I mean come on you know why they wrote that story, because he still hasn't dropped a pound so how do you explain the fat guy not losing weight - wow he has been hording food!!!!!

they need to get back to what drew people to this show - the island and it's mysteries
and the hatch and what role it plays , the others ect , but these past few have been a waste

verdugan

04-10-2006, 05:16 PM

Then this guy the other with his bulls*** balloon story - it has been such a drag on the story and has taken the focus off of the real story which is the island, the hatch and the others enough about dumb stuff that leads the story no where -

they need to get back to what drew people to this show - the island and it's mysteries
and the hatch and what role it plays , the others ect , but these past few have been a waste

??? So let me get this straight. You're pissed that they spent so much time on the guy with the balloon story. However, you want them to come back to stories about the others?

/me stops feeding the troll

Dilerium

04-10-2006, 05:58 PM

Moreover, this would not be the first time the castaways have done stupid things with resources they had available. Such as Eko burning the nigerian plane, which may have had other useful items in it - or at a minimum, its metal shell that could be used to bolster shelters.

Speaking of which, how does a small airplane from Nigeria end up in the South Pacific? It still had the passengers and cargo that excaped from Nigeria. How did that plane end up waaaaaaaaaaaaaay over in the Pacific?

My apologies if this has already been discussed.

(An aside, what is a "smeek"?)

DevdogAZ

04-10-2006, 06:00 PM

(An aside, what is a "smeek"?)
That ^^^ is. ;)

MickeS

04-10-2006, 06:24 PM

devlindark, I really think you're complaining about not seeing the forest because of all the trees that are in the way.

eugene82

04-11-2006, 08:38 PM

As gratified as I am that the evidence suggests I am right (for me, a personal first with Lost theories, but I'll believe it when I see it), I don't think this is simply a "religious man needs church" thing. I think this is a "Eko needs a church" thing for himself, possibly for his continued atonement. It also builds upon the themes last season of the people who wanted to actively try to leave the island, while others were accepting that may not happen and settling in more.

Moreover, this would not be the first time the castaways have done stupid things with resources they had available. Such as Eko burning the nigerian plane, which may have had other useful items in it - or at a minimum, its metal shell that could be used to bolster shelters.
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eugene82

04-11-2006, 08:49 PM

He was. When asked in one episode what he did right before the crash, he paused and said "I was a regional manager for a box company" (or something very close to it.. maybe the word distribution was in there).
It was a war/strategy game if I recall correctly.
..talking to someone he called Helen.. She talked about charging him for an extra hour, so it's pretty clear she was a phone-sex line or something similar, and that he called her Helen (as in "What would you like my name to be?").

Please, Eugene, insert a few carriage returns here and there. I get exhausted reading through those long paragraphs! :)
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hefe

04-11-2006, 10:05 PM

I also think its about atonement. Burning the nigerian plane may have been silly to many.
But was it the beginning of Ekos atonement? He was mainly responsible for the herion on the plane. Not his brother.
Just an idea. ?
Atonement seems big with Eko. It started when he stopped speaking after killing the 2 "others" on the other side of the island.

eugene82

04-15-2006, 02:07 PM

Atonement seems big with Eko. It started when he stopped speaking after killing the 2 "others" on the other side of the island.

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hefe

04-15-2006, 02:55 PM

Not only is atonement big with Eko. We have seen several other surviours go through the same process.
They are just not as big and little is shown thereby fooling the viewer of what is really taking place.
Eugene
Yes, redemption specifically is an overall theme with many of the "lostaways." Eko and Sayid have also taken on active and conscious efforts to atone or in some way make themselves accountable. At least in a more obvious way than any of the others.

Figaro

10-03-2006, 11:38 AM

Cause Jack is used to having interns do the grunt work. Last week I thought he was regaining the leadership role but he fell down on this one.

What a bunch of modern geeks. It's kinda hard to Photoshop a Polaroid photo. It's precisely why they chose that camera, I'm sure. :D

As a Dave myself, I liked this one. And Mike already posted the "Dave's not here" line. They obviously meant this episode to rule out someone imagining the entire thing. And count me as one who thinks that Bugeye didn't push the button. And there was even a nod to the Losties not talking to each other, when Charlie asked if anyone heard a plane and Sawyer said "Sure I did - I just chose not to tell anyone."

No one has commented on the side effects of Clonazepam ...

Side effects that you should report to your prescriber or health care professional as soon as possible:
•confusion
•depression
•double vision or abnormal eye movements
•hallucinations (seeing and hearing things that are not really there)
•lightheadedness or fainting spells
•mood changes, excitability or aggressive behavior
•movement difficulty, staggering or jerky movements
•muscle cramps
•restlessness
•tremors
•weakness or tiredness

He better hope Dharma has a good mail order prescription plan!

Just plowed through all of Lost over the last two weeks. What really stuck out to me in this episode other than the improper use of Clonazepam was that it looked to be the wrong pill.

When my dad and brother died my mom started having panic attacks and they put her on Clonazepam. It was a little yellow pill. I came to meet a lot of other people who were on it and they all had little yellow pills. Is the big blue one the super fat guy version? This show is really good about details so I found it odd that they missed that.