24 Day 5 (Season 5 - OAD 4/3/06) 10:00pm - 11:00pm *spoilers*

[terpfan1980]

With Prison Break basically doing a flashback episode show tonite, I'm even more impatiently waiting for Jack Bauer. Though I admit, my allegiance will be tested by several factors tonite, including hoping to see UCLA win the NCAA mens hoops tourney for 2006.

Here's hoping that the bad weather in the D.C. area clears out soon so I don't lose the TV tonite :cool:

[markp99]

Unfreaking believable. The spineless dimwit. Who woulda' thunk it?

[terpfan1980]

OMG, OMG, OMG!!

What an ending... what a cliff-hanger for next week. Totally freakin' cool.


I'd say more, but if someone stumbles into this thread before watching and doesn't really want spoilers, I'd rather the notes show up a little later.

[terpfan1980]

Ok, this should be far enough down here.

Yes, that spineless twit apparently has a spine, but not of the right kind. What an SOB.

[RobertE]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Sirius Black]

I think they pulled that out of their rear. Still a pretty good episode. Robocop isn't a suspect, he's an open protocol.

[Flyinace2000]

This twist is just toooooo much. I hope this is the last season.

[markp99]

Why not just have Jack be on the wrong team? I thought about that for a split second when he was up on the roof with the sniper rfile. This is a truly goofy plot twist.

They're slowly losing me...

[scheckeNYK]

A bit much to swallow there. Although, I have said numerous times this season (mostly in jest) that Logan was the mastermind. It was a combination of a joke and the notion that the writers would just like to try anything that we'd never think of. Shock value almost made it too obvious.

[cheerdude]

It was seemingly leaning too strongly towards the VP...

Still - I was a bit surprised when the spineless weasel showed up; I almost... ALMOST thought that it was going to be Aaron or the Homeland Security vice-weasel.

[Sirius Black]

Why not just have Jack be on the wrong team?

Jack and the Logan aren't exactly friends like he and Palmer were. That would be even more of a stretch. Besides, if he was on the wrong team, why not just both of them him in the barn.

Has anyone wondered how all the bad guys in all their vehicles are driving around Los Angeles with marshall law in effect?

So, if the VP isn't in on the master plan, what's he up to. Clearly he is in possession of knowledge that we don't know. I mean, why the power grab at CTU?

[IndyJones1023]

WTF?

They jumped the shark.

[NYCwbyfan]

So, if the VP isn't in on the master plan, what's he up to. Clearly he is in possession of knowledge that we don't know. I mean, why the power grab at CTU?

Maybe he's working on the assumption that Jack is working for the bad guys? Palmer's assassinated, Jack reappears, CTU is one step behind, etc...

[markp99]

They jumped it tonite for sure! :down:

[Gunnyman]

wait a sec I thought it was the German Group.....
Over all I'm still stinging from the blowing up a plant to get rid of a nerve gas that would have been burned up in people's homes anyway.
How many hours we have left? 6 or 7?

[painkiller]

Comment about next week:

Anybody notice - in the previews for next week - the Head of Homeland Security tell someone to not lose track of Audrey, so she can lead them to Jack?

[SoBelle0]

OMG!! Crazy, crazy, crazy - how can this idiot be the mastermind? He certainly was able to stumble often enough to let certain things happen without folks catching on...
the VP must still be involved somehow or other - why else would Homeland have absorbed CTU? even blondie knows it's not a good idea at this point. or how else would VP have gotten Martial Law pushed thru?

I'm in shock... :eek:

Oh - funny bit - Jack's Treo beeping incessantly while they use the GPS to navigate around and find all the baddies. Sheesh! :)


Still loved the show. I think they've done lots to keep our interest, switch up the formulas, and keep it exciting. I've never needed to find every plotline or protocol believable, why start now? ;)

[terpfan1980]

Anybody notice - in the previews for next week - the Head of Homeland Security tell someone to not lose track of Audrey, so she can lead them to Jack?

Spoiler tag's required for discussion of next week's material still. Please update accordingly.

[Rob Helmerichs]

wait a sec I thought it was the German Group.....
Actually, Logan's maiden name is Grüpenhößer... :D

[terpfan1980]

Oh - funny bit - Jack's Treo beeping incessantly while they use the GPS to navigate around and find all the baddies. Sheesh! :)

Old joke, but here's goes anyway...

Jack's PDA display:

http://www.tomheroes.com/images/berzerk2.gif

[busyba]

When the VP asked the President if he knew about Wayne Palmer visiting the retreat, the look on the President's face gave it away for me. At that point, I knew that it was him and not the VP that was pulling the strings. The reveal at the end was no surprise to me.

I do agree that it's a stupid twist though....

[DancnDude]

OK that twist is WAY too much! Of course I'm shocked which is what they wanted, but nothing we've seen of Logan from last season to this one would support this. He wouldn't have been acting like such an idiot by himself all season long if he was behind it all to begin with. This better just be a double-twist that they undo next week when we find out all the details.

[busyba]

I was hoping that after the most recent firmware update from Palm, my Treo would do all the badass things that Jack Bauer's Treo does, but I guess they're saving that for the next update. :)

[terpfan1980]

I was hoping that after the most recent firmware update from Palm, my Treo would do all the badass things that Jack Bauer's Treo does, but I guess they're saving that for the next update. :)

you don't have the special gub-ment bad azz model, sorry, no new ROM for j00!

[TAsunder]

In the case of the people vs 24 season pass, I find the defendent guilty of negligent stupidity. You are hereby ordered to death by deletion. Your appeal hearing will be next week.

Sorry, no way. That was total BS. Reminded me of Nina Meyers and how they decided to ignore every episode previous just for a lame surprise.

[rawbi01]

For a split second I thought that the pres' wife might be the bad guy..

[terpfan1980]

Someone asked above how much time is left, and I think the answer is approximately 8 hours. (Til 7am if I recall).

That gives us 8 more episodes to get things back to an almost believable state.

... still, it could get very interesting to see just exactly where this all goes. Why in the world does Logan want things so f-ed up if not to gain power somehow. His wife and Novick, and the fictional press are calling him on the illegal 'martial law' type declaration. He's basically been complicit in plans to assassinate the Russian president, if not directly tryed to get it done. There's gotta be a bigger reason for everything, so I'm willing to watch a little longer before I call total BS on the season.

[busyba]

Except for the part where he's portrayed as totally incompetent, I suppose that what we've seen hasn't been inconsistent with him being part of the whole deal.

I mean, when left to his own devices, he has been rather accomodating of the terrorists. He sent the Russian pres into the ambush and he ordered Jack to let the nerve gas be released in the mall.

[Kamakzie]

I can't wait to see the first Lady beat the snot out of President ******bag.

[busyba]

To be fair, so far we don't really know what the President's actual plan is; we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

[djej1]

I think that this is one of the most absurd plot twists ever. I am still going to continue watching so I can see how it turns out.

[scotown]

ACK!!! My kids stopped my recording of 24 (25 min's into recording) to watch a Disney Channel movie :eek:

Being a new TIVO subscriber, I'm not sure if it's possible to have another TIVO subscriber e.mail the episode to me or not. Anyone know?

[atrac]

Well, he *did* agree to let the Russian President, Wife, AND First Lady get attacked. He's been playing everyone all along...even kneeling with Mike to prey. He's a GENIUS! He's this season's NINA MYERS!!!!

(OK, I don't necessarily believe what I just stated...I'm just hoping the show comes up with a good explanation...I'm not buying it right now either!!!).

[vertigo235]

Not surprised at all, just disapointed.

[lordargent]

Well, he *did* agree to let the Russian President, Wife, AND First Lady get attacked. He's been playing everyone all along...even kneeling with Mike to prey. He's a GENIUS! He's this season's NINA MYERS!!!!

(OK, I don't necessarily believe what I just stated...I'm just hoping the show comes up with a good explanation...I'm not buying it right now either!!!).

Not to mention him going along with the "let everyone in the mall get whacked" plan.

[boneill]

To be fair, so far we don't really know what the President's actual plan is; we shouldn't be so quick to judge.

I second that. You guys are judging too soon here.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I second that. You guys are judging too soon here.
Yeah, because from what we've seen so far, his plan is to make himself look like an incompetent moron. And even an incompetent moron is smart enough not to WANT to look like one!

[speedcouch]

ACK!!! My kids stopped my recording of 24 (25 min's into recording) to watch a Disney Channel movie :eek:

They must die! Send Jack to take care of them! :)

Cheryl

[Gunnyman]

First lady is goin rogue I feel it in my bones.

[danterner]

They'd better start setting up a hard perimeter and running a shark containment protocol, pronto.... Still, I can't help but love this show.

[DancnDude]

Last year he was such an incompetent idiot that he couldn't make any decisions and had to have an ex-president make all the decisions for him. Unless something else entirely is going on, this is way beyond the realm of believability.

[cheesesteak]

President Logan as evil mastermind? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!! I bet that when they handed this episode's script out everybody went "WTF?!?!" They must have been on the extra special crack when they came up with that.

If you thought CTU had an overabundance of weasels, check out Homeland Security. I like how they keep filming Big Boss Lady up on the balcony majestically looking down on the little peons. What are the odds that all of the Homeland Security drones replacing the CTU staff would be wearing dark suits?

[TAsunder]

It's not too quick to judge. Sorry, that's a cop out. It's the same thing as nina meyers, where they afforded him/her numerous opportunities to make sure the plan succeeded but never did so and created numerous plot holes along the way all because the writers hadn't decided who the mole is until the episode the mole is revealed.

[Sirius Black]

One more thing to add to my previous comments...

Ok, so the President is the bad guy. Unbelievable but that's the story.

To what end? Power? He's already the President. Argueably the most powerful single individual in the world. What is his goal? Is there something even bigger than the President? Is he being manipulated by The German Group (TM)?

[IndyJones1023]

I'm reminded of the Phil Hartman/Ronald Reagan skit.

[allan]

I still don't buy it. There's GOT to be more to it. I'm not ready to yell "Shark!" yet, but I do see fins.

[jlb]

To what end? Power? He's already the President. Argueably the most powerful single individual in the world. What is his goal? Is there something even bigger than the President? Is he being manipulated by The German Group (TM)?

See, that was my thought all along after the "reveal" (gee, that sounds like Extreme Makeover: Home Edition). He could actually have a spine, but being manipulated by the Germans, Drazens, Nina (for all we know), etc.

And this "day" is only about 18 months after last "day", right? Who's to say the writers haven't created a "continued" story line. It works for me.

24 has always had "believability" issues in the past, but, that has NEVER kept me from thoroughly enjoying the show.

[Fl_Gulfer]

It's the stupidest twist they could have come up with. I bet his wife kills him.

[cheesesteak]

I hope his wife kills him.

[dtle]

My thinking is that the Prez set up and allowed the terrorists to get their hands on the Centox. If everything worked out well, the gas would've been setoff in Russia. Then, with the new Terrorist Treaty, the US team would go in and sweep up the whole situation. It would leave a big, positive legacy for a President who's considered weak and incompetent.

Of course, Jack had to live and screwed everything up!

Why do I get the feeling that the last images of the season will be the First Lady sworn in as the new President?!?!

[IndyJones1023]

I just love the fact that it once again looks like Leon Nash is after Robocop.

[cheesesteak]

So explain to me what blowing Michelle Dressler and Tony up had to do with any of this.

[jlb]

$$$

[busyba]

So explain to me what blowing Michelle Dressler and Tony up had to do with any of this.
It had nothing to do with any of this... and that was the point.

The purpose of killing Tony and Michelle was to make investigators think the Palmer killing was connected to the faking of Jack Bauer's death, thus keeping them from stumbling across the information Palmer had about the terrorist (or Presidential, it would appear) plot.

It was, in theory, a pretty good idea. I know if I ever had a reason to kill someone, I'd probably kill a couple of unconnected random people first, then my target, then at least one other random person afterwards, so that the cops would be more likely to consider my intended target's murder the work of a random killer and less likely to pursue the angle of the motive that would lead them to me.

The flaw in the plan, however, was making Jack Bauer.... upset. :D

[newsposter]

so we will likely have 2 prez assassinations in one season :)

I dont think logan is the brains at all. I think someone else is pulling the strings. Or maybe his daughter is kidnapped? :) It's just way too crazy to think mr indecision could even think about such a thing, much less mastermind the details.

Of course mike could be in on the whole thing too ..and while we are at it..aaron.

I love how many chances chloe had in this show to give her scowl face. at least 100 by my count. Loved when she asked the new girl...what are you doing? who are you?

and how did we know audrey and chloe would head back to the secret back room to do their work instead of the front?

the takeover by homeland definitely doesnt make sense since the VP is in charge of that and if he is innocent. My money is on the lady leader of homeland. It's a nuts enough twist i could be right after all

[dsb411]

I think its Jack's Girlfriend. She's pissed about getting the ol' heave-ho!

[Graymalkin]

I think it's Kim.

[windracer]

I was hoping that after the most recent firmware update from Palm, my Treo would do all the badass things that Jack Bauer's Treo does, but I guess they're saving that for the next update. :)
Apparently I need to switch from Cingular to Sprint. :D

For gosh sakes, flip the switch to silent when you're trying to sneak up on terrorists! You don't need the voicemail *bing* tipping them off!

[IndyJones1023]

I think it's Kim.
LOL.

[newsposter]

I do miss diane...wish she was DoD liason

[jlb]

I think it's Kim.

:up: :eek: :up:

[Jericho Dog]

My thinking is that the Prez set up and allowed the terrorists to get their hands on the Centox. If everything worked out well, the gas would've been setoff in Russia. Then, with the new Terrorist Treaty, the US team would go in and sweep up the whole situation. It would leave a big, positive legacy for a President who's considered weak and incompetent.

Of course, Jack had to live and screwed everything up!

Why do I get the feeling that the last images of the season will be the First Lady sworn in as the new President?!?!


I can see it now......


Logan is about to be interrogated by Jack Bauer:

Logan: "For my cooperation I want full immunity signed by the Presid...... Hey! that's me! Someone get me a pen!!"

:)

[Jericho Dog]

I love how many chances chloe had in this show to give her scowl face. at least 100 by my count. Loved when she asked the new girl...what are you doing? who are you?


Yeah, my wife and I compete to yell "Sour Puss!" first whenever she appears on-screen.
It would make a good drinking game. I mean, good, if you wanted to drink a lot....


Where are we on the "Tazered in the neck" ratio??
I think we dropped below 1 per episode but they're ramping up again!
roughly .867321

:up:

[bruinfan]

Random Thoughts:

There was something wrong with my audio last night. I heard Jack tell Bill Buchanon he was scared.

I'm going to miss the "x Cannisters of Syntox Nerve Gas"

That homeland security guy reminds me of Hannibal Lechter. "Clarise... sign the papers Clarise.."

Been a while since we've seen some first lady cleavage.

I laughed when Wayne Palmer gets on the phone with Jack, and first thing out of his mouth is, I heard about the explosion, are you ok? Analysis: He's been shot at, in an explosion of his own, unconscious for 30 min or so, stuck in the back of an SUV stowaway, looks for the asst chick, has to interogate the asst chick... how did he hear about it, and why does he have the state of mind to even ask how he's doing?

Wayne Palmer is a puss...
"I was in the Marines".
"But you never saw combat"
"uhhhhhhh"

Are we going to see a change in Logan's demeanor now? Not the bumbling idiot, but a badass, cruel, heartless villian????

Kim's not in trouble yet???

Still enjoy the show....

[TAsunder]

If they want to reel me back in from deleting the SP after next week, they need to make him not be incompetent at all, possibly be inolved in the presidential assassination last season, and have as motivation this time around wanting to be popular enough to be elected president legitimately. Of course, feigning incompetent in order to display competence is a strange way to do it, but I guess there have been some presidents in recent memory that have done that.

[newsposter]

so how does a president immunize himself (besides with a needle). Does the VP or AG sign?

[milo99]

It was, in theory, a pretty good idea. I know if I ever had a reason to kill someone, I'd probably kill a couple of unconnected random people first, then my target, then at least one other random person afterwards, so that the cops would be more likely to consider my intended target's murder the work of a random killer and less likely to pursue the angle of the motive that would lead them to me.

well, that's pretty much what the Beltway sniper was doing back a couple years ago, if you recall. all in an effort to kill his ex wife so that he could come in and take the kids. Sick, but smart... until he got caught sleeping, literrally :)

[cowboys2002]

The President actually "growing a pair" was an interesting plot twist. Here I am looking at how the VP and Homeland Security as trying to cover-up things as the next storyline while absorbing CTU.

So when are all the field agents being informed or redeployed? Did Tony and the "team" get instrcutions from Homeland Security?

So the President is up to something, and the VP is up to something else? And to add to that the 1st Lady ..is she really looney??

[balboa dave]

Any NASCAR fans? Did you catch the Carl Edwards cameo?

[IndyJones1023]

Any NASCAR fans? Did you catch the Carl Edwards cameo?
Not a fan. Care to explain?

[cwoody222]

http://www.cupscene.com/0208061.htm

[IndyJones1023]

As he walked across the set and delivered his line, Edwards looked like a pro and it didn't go unnoticed.

It did to me. Who was he? What did he do? Did he have any lines?

[DevdogAZ]

Yes, I am a big NASCAR fan but didn't notice Edwards. Who was he and when was the scene?

As far as the "big twist," this is just another example of the fact that the writers do not plan out the season prior to starting to film the first one. It's happened every season so far. The people or situation that is ultimately the big climax at the end of the season usually has nothing to do with what happens at the beginning of the season and if you watch the beginning already knowing about the end, you will see far too many inconsistencies. I really wish they would loosely plan out the show in advance so that we wouldn't have these ridiculous plots that are obviously just attempts to create bigger and bigger surprises without ever thinking about how ridiculous they are in the context of the show.

A great big :down: from me.

[IndyJones1023]

This is where the Shield writers excel and all others fail - painting themselves into a corner and writing something to throw you off just for the sake of being able to ensure you didn't see it coming.

[balboa dave]

Not a fan. Care to explain?He was leading the group of Homeland Security replacements. Chloe noticed him and said "That's Jim Hill." He introduced himself to someone. No big deal, like I said, just a cameo.

[DevdogAZ]

He was leading the group of Homeland Security replacements. Chloe noticed him and said "That's Jim Hill." He introduced himself to someone. No big deal, like I said, just a cameo.
He should have climbed up on the desk and done a back flip off of it. Then I would have recognized him. ;)

[5thcrewman]

The Mind Control™ chip has been activated! :rolleyes:

[busyba]

Why do I get the feeling that the last images of the season will be the First Lady sworn in as the new President?!?!
:confused:

Remind me again exactly where the First Lady falls in the order of succession. Is it before or after the Secretary of Housing & Urban Development? ;)

[busyba]

well, that's pretty much what the Beltway sniper was doing back a couple years ago, if you recall. all in an effort to kill his ex wife so that he could come in and take the kids. Sick, but smart... until he got caught sleeping, literrally :)
Really? I must have I missed that part of the story. This is the guy with his son or adopted son who were sniping together from the trunk of his car, right? I don't think I paid much attention to the story after they got caught. I always thought all the victims were just random targets of opportunity.

[eugene82]

Anybody notice - in the previews for next week - the Head of Homeland Security tell someone to not lose track of Audrey, so she can lead them to Jack?

I found that interesting. What better way to take out Jack and Audrey or try? Looks like they bring in some heavy stuff. One thing is for certain, the guy that has Audrey sign that document certainly does not want to see her say why she signed it.
She by signing it saved another life. I think the guy with HLS is working for Logan and not the VP.

[5thcrewman]

:confused:

Remind me again exactly where the First Lady falls in the order of succession. Is it before or after the Secretary of Housing & Urban Development? ;)
Right after the Secretary of Education!

[Idearat]

Right after the Secretary of Education!

You're confused by Independence Day and Battlestar Gallactica.. In them the First Lady dies in a helicopter crash fleeing an alien attack to come back as Secretaty of Education only to advance to President when everyone else in the executive branch is killed in yet another alien attack.

[tai-pan]

I did think it'd be the vice-weasel but we still don't know for sure that it's Logan.

[5thcrewman]

You're confused by Independence Day and Battlestar Gallactica.. In them the First Lady dies in a helicopter crash fleeing an alien attack to come back as Secretaty of Education only to advance to President when everyone else in the executive branch is killed in yet another alien attack.
So the German Group is really a bunch of aliens? Is that legal??

[terpfan1980]

I'm thinking at this point that Logan is still a wuss and his evil twin brother is the one controlling everything. Yeah, that's the ticket. The evil twin brother that was locked away at St. E's for the last 30 years but just got out and wants revenge on his lame brother. Yeah huh, that's it. The shark is really a twin brother. You heard it here.... well, not first, but you heard it here.

Either that, or the German Group grew a Logan clone but actually included a spine. :D :p (Who knows, maybe they cooperated with the Chinese so both could be involved in the job!)

[scheckeNYK]

This is starting to remind me of an episode of "Lois and Clark." The one where we find out that shortly after WWII a secret Nazi offshoot infiltrated America. They were brought up in our society and migrated into various prominent roles (elected officials, movie stars, pro athletes, etc.). Then these really powerful people all revealed the agenda they were all behind and tried to use their clout to take over America. Then Superman kicked their ass.

At least that's loosely how I remember the plot going. If Logan is indeed a bad guy, I doubt he flipped. He has probably been planning this for many many years. Or knowing 24, they will throw us yet another swerve. What's even left at this point? Is CTU getting bad info and actually working against the US?

[painkiller]

Okay.

So this 'wringer' is the fact that Pres. (caff hack) Logan is behind ex-Pres Palmer's death and trying to squelch anybody from finding out the details of why.


What I want to know is what the VP is trying to do - save us from Logan?

Or also in this for himself?

[IndyJones1023]

So this 'wringer' is the fact that Pres. (caff hack) Logan is behind ex-Pres Palmer's death and trying to squelch anybody from finding out the details of why.
Off topic: I think it's "ringer."

But in this case it's been more of a "whammy." :p

[ElVee]

So how does this Logan twist tie in with the guy from his staff (I forget his name) who killed himself once he was found out?

[newsposter]

hey maybe the bad guy is really the president pre logan...we haven't seen him all year!

[philw1776]

The only way the writers could save themselves from jumping the shark over Logan would be to have him controlled by an underwear supermodel that only he could see.

[DRobbins]

Okay, so now that we know the President is the bad guy, and he knows that Aaron likely knows he's bad, the President may go after Aaron.

If a president starts going after a Secret Service guy, say with a gun, is the Secret Service guy allowed to shoot back to save himself, or, since he is sworn to save the President (and to serve the President), is the Secret Service guy obligated to assist the President by shooting himself? Discuss amongst yourselves...

:-)

[ihatecable]

Well Aaron could point his gun to his own head and hold himeself hostage like the sheriff did in Blazing Saddles,lol

[IndyJones1023]

I don't think he'll be able to use the same line, though. :D

[DancnDude]

After thinking about it more, I'm thinking it might still be the Vice President. He's probably got something on the president and is now pulling the strings on him. The evidence that the first lady's assistant has probably points to the president doing something that the vice president made him do.

[rlc1]

I really hope we find out that Logan really was faking being such an incompetent wimp all this time, otherwise this plot twist just doesn't stand up.

Edit: I meant "doesn't hold up". Apologies to the poster just below...

[IndyJones1023]

It doesn't stand up anyway.

[Graymalkin]

The only way the writers could save themselves from jumping the shark over Logan would be to have him controlled by an underwear supermodel that only he could see.

Oh, that's good. That's very good. :up:

Of course, Jack Bauer would've made mincemeat of the Cylons by now and gotten them to Earth half a season ago.

[madscientist]

I'm reminded of the Phil Hartman/Ronald Reagan skit.This is exactly what I thought of. In fact, when I woke up my wife (she has an annoying habit of falling asleep for the last 10 mins. of most shows) and she asked me what happened, I told her "they pulled a 'Genius Reagan' on us!" The sad thing is she knew exactly what I meant.

[DevdogAZ]

Oh, that's good. That's very good. :up:

Of course, Jack Bauer would've made mincemeat of the Cylons by now and gotten them to Earth half a season ago.
I didn't get what he was talking about until your reply. Was the actress who plays Six previously an underwear model? TTIUWP

[philw1776]

I didn't get what he was talking about until your reply. Was the actress who plays Six previously an underwear model? TTIUWP

I dunno but she WAS a model. I think she has progressed well as an actress. Watch her expressions in the concluding BSG scene. Tricia Helfer is married to my hoops buddy's cousin.

[smickola]

How does President Logan being the bad guy reconcile with him begging Jack to come back and work for CTU...why talk the one guy who could mess up your plans back onto the case when he's ready to walk away? This makes no sense...I agree, it looks a lot like they're making it up as they go along and were just trying to find a big "wow" twist, with no regard to it being consistent with the prior details. Very disappointing!

[702]

Saw this over at imdb.com

http://melodyclark.fanfictiononthenet.com/stuff/24.wmv

This is from the the show a few weeks ago. Watch Logan's face when they tell him Henderson was caught.

[cwoody222]

I don't see anything telling about his face.

[IndyJones1023]

I don't see anything telling about his face.
Yeah, I supposed you can read into it now, what with hindsight being 20/20 and all. But there's nothing particularly telling about it.

[ParadiseDave]

I finally watched Monday's episode. I agree that the "twist" is incredibly hard to believe. My first question was whether M. Night Shaymalama what's-his-name was directing this episode...

The Mind Control™ chip has been activated! :rolleyes:

You mean "PLAN Z?" All hail Plankton! All hail Plankton! :)

[TAsunder]

Erm... except M. Night Shyamalan does not have unbelievable twists, except maybe in the village, which IMO is not so much unbelievable as uninteresting. Maybe Brian De Palma would be a better analogy.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Well, the President's sudden shift isn't really a twist. It's more of a teleportation.

There's no way you could twist this bozo into a criminal mastermind...

[Zevida]

I seriously doubt the president is a criminal mastermind. More like he's a simpering puppet. He's been complicit in two terrorist attacks already today, so we know he's not exactly standing firm or anything. Just get one or two guys to pull the right strings, and I could see Logan going along with and seeming to direct whatever has gone on today.

I'm going to give the writers the benefit of the doubt and let it play out for now, because I think they can make it work.

[lonaman]

My TiVo did not record this episode for some reason. Does anyone know if it will re-air soon or any other way to get a ty file of it?

[tivotvaddict]

I must be the only one who liked the twist. All along we have been complaining and whining that no president could be THAT stupid and THAT incompetent. And look. He isn't. That makes sense to me! :)

I appreciated that they didn't try to say Evelyn had been worried about the kidnapping all day long, but specifically mentioned that this just happened about an hour ago.

Didn't appreciate that Audrey went from being a complete mess and on "painful" chemicals from her "interrogation" with Jack calling for the medics to treat her to being perfectly made up, hair styled and in complete control of her faculties in less than 5 minutes. :down:

Was the Treo actually beeping or was it the background music? Either way, I my (*^% Treo doesn't work when I go down a steep hill, much less a concrete tunnel. I want his. :D

Loved the complete snarkiness of the Homeland Security guy. He'll get his soon I'm sure.

[windracer]

Either way, my (*^% Treo doesn't work when I go down a steep hill, much less a concrete tunnel. I want his. :D
No kidding!

[another nit pick]
In the earlier hours, when Bierko was in his bunker, he was using a satellite phone. I have been testing those at work and they definitely need a clear view of the open sky in order to work.
[/another nit pick]

[IndyJones1023]

[another nit pick]
In the earlier hours, when Bierko was in his bunker, he was using a satellite phone. I have been testing those at work and they definitely need a clear view of the open sky in order to work.
[/another nit pick]
He's a terrorist. They have repeaters. How else could Osama call from caves?

:p

[aintnosin]

You realize that if this plays out, the VP will become president and the President will be "Leland Palmer?!" :eek:

[busyba]

You realize that if this plays out, the VP will become president and the President will be "Leland Palmer?!" :eek:
Even worse than that, the President will be Bob Roberts' (http://imdb.com/title/tt0103850/) campaign manager. :eek: :eek:

:)

[aindik]

See, that was my thought all along after the "reveal" (gee, that sounds like Extreme Makeover: Home Edition). He could actually have a spine, but being manipulated by the Germans, Drazens, Nina (for all we know), etc.

I just wanted to point out, since nobody else did, that Nina Meyers is very much dead.

My question is why Evelyn has a car, and where she lives. She's the First Lady's assistant, and has been for a long time (the entire time trading e-mails with David Palmer). Doesn't she live in Washington, and isn't she just in L.A. on business with the first lady, and probably staying at the compound with her? Why does she have a car and, when she say's "I'm going home," where is that?

[tai-pan]

Tricia Helfer is married to my hoops buddy's cousin.
She's married???? :(

[aindik]

Here's an article from today's USA Today about the Logan shift.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/24prezpivotsfromweaseltoevil

It says
Producers decided in October that Logan would be the villain, but Itzin was told much later. He played early scenes - accusing aide Walt Cummings of treason - with no knowledge of Logan's complicity. "When I found out, I'm sure it was psychological, but I got almost physically ill," he says. Yet "I had a sense that the string was running out; I couldn't continue to be the same guy and have it be as interesting."

It contains very mild spoilers. I would hardly call them spoilers. Probably the worst of which is
As usual, the plan went horribly awry.
...
Executive producer Evan Katz says the revelation was no Jekyll-and-Hyde moment for Logan, who had only been acting feeble. "It's not a ridiculous contrast; it's more a man hiding a secret and being a little smarter about how he projects himself than we thought."

[Rob Helmerichs]

I don't know, I still can't buy that the President of the United States, who will face re-election eventually (or in his case election, since he inherited the job in the first place) would consider making himself look like an incompetent moron a viable strategy.

They probably should have told the actor so that he could, y'know, PLAY THE PART.

[aindik]

I don't know, I still can't buy that the President of the United States, who will face re-election eventually (or in his case election, since he inherited the job in the first place) would consider making himself look like an incompetent moron a viable strategy.

He looks like an incompetent moron to us, because we have access to behind the scenes footage. He may even look like an incompetent moron to his underlings. I'm not so sure he looks like an incompetent moron to the public.

They probably should have told the actor so that he could, y'know, PLAY THE PART.

Have to agree with you there.

[busyba]

I don't know, I still can't buy that the President of the United States, who will face re-election eventually (or in his case election, since he inherited the job in the first place) would consider making himself look like an incompetent moron a viable strategy.
Well..... oh nevermind, I don't want to get the thread locked. :D