Veronica Mars 3/15/2006 (S02E14) "Versatile Toppings"

[dswallow]

It's good to have Veronica Mars back.

I need to take notes while watching this show, though. :)

Anyone remember the "Ahoy Mateys" episode? Lucas Grabeel (who played Kelly Kuzio in this episode) is credited as "Wanna Score Boy" and I was wondering what that was.

I wonder who planted the explosive. I don't believe Terrence did it. But was curious what Veronica would find once they drove into the hangar... that much was obvious in advance, though I thought it'd be related to a car or something on/in one.

[brimtoast]

"Wanna Score Boy" is the greatest bit of continuity ever, actually. He was the guy in "Ahoy, Mateys" who tried to buy drugs off Weevil. Weevil ripped his shirt to make sure he wasn't wearing a wire, then complimented his rims (giving the implication that he was thinking of stealing them). This encounter sent Weevil looking for which PCHer was selling drugs. So now, a bunch of episodes later, this minor character comes back for some character development, his rims now "stolen". Sort of brilliant. I mean, no interesting underlying meaning or anything, just subtle and nicely done.
I really liked this episode. I thought Logan and Hannah was handled perfectly. Creepy, but with possible layers, so it's unclear exactly how much is real. The MoTW was nice, I thought, especially the resolution. I also really enjoyed Jackie. I am starting to love her, and more and more I see the similarities between her and Lilly. Mostly Lilly's good qualities, though.
The guest star (Kristin something)'s acting was so terrible it was actually sort of endearing. As long as we never, NEVER have to see her again.

[Shakhari]

The guest star (Kristin something)'s acting was so terrible it was actually sort of endearing. As long as we never, NEVER have to see her again.

There was a lot of lead-up hype that she's off some reality show. Laguna Beach? Something like that.

[Ladd Morse]

Didn't Jackie have a brief throw-away line that the garage is owned by someone else and that person allows all of her Dad's cars to be stored there?

If I heard that correctly, that would open up lots of possibilities as to who might have access to the (possible) expolosive materials.

Of course, it might turn out that Jackie's Dad DID set off the bomb; this show can handle either situation.

[LoadStar]

Yes, the hangar is owned by Woody Goodman, owner of the Sharks and county supervisor ("mayor" of Neptune).

[Magnolia88]

It's good to have Veronica Mars back.

I will second and third that! I am so excited to have NINE new episodes in a row until the season finale. (Rob Thomas is especially excited about eps 17 and 18 in particular, so I'm looking forward to those.)

I need to take notes while watching this show, though. :)

Seriously. Thank goodness I've been rewatching some of the episodes to make DVDs for people, so I have been able to keep up with all the many tangled subplots.

This show is so great with the continuity of minor characters (Ryan, Corny, Wanna Score Boy aka Kelly) but I would bet that a lot of that is lost on the casual viewer because so much time has passed between episodes.

The less said about the acting (in)ability of the (in)famous guest star, the better. As someone else said, she was talking about outing herself and her girlfriend, and blackmailing other gay teens and she might as well have been chatting with her Laguna Beach girlfriends about getting her nails done. :rolleyes:

I didn't enjoy sitting through the Logan/Hannah scenes but it's certainly getting interesting. He is sooo evil and yet so charming. I think he's totally playing her like a fiddle (and probably even planted the coke in the medicine cabinet when he went to the bathroom), but all that mock-sincerity may start to creep over into reality at some point and he may start to like her, or at least feel bad about using her so blatantly. She still looks like she's 12 though, and that sort of icks me out.

[lonwolf615]

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I didn't enjoy sitting through the Logan/Hannah scenes but it's certainly getting interesting. He is sooo evil and yet so charming. I think he's totally playing her like a fiddle (and probably even planted the coke in the medicine cabinet when he went to the bathroom), .

Wow, never would have thought he would stoop THAT low...but now that you mention it...

[AJRitz]

I sort of assumed that Logan had planted the coke - didn't he "run into" Hannah's dad on his way back from the bathroom? That might help explain why he was so confident that he had the upper hand with Hannah.

The hanger being owned by County Supervisor/Team Owner Woody Goodman makes things VERY interesting. What's his motivation to blow up the bus? He did seem to have an idea that something was up, though. IIRC, he made sure that Gia wasn't riding the bus back to school. But what's his motivation? Another possibility - the stunt man/car repair guy (with connections to Aaron Echols) might have been coming out to the hanger to fix the cars, and might have had a storage area set aside for tools when he was working there.

[Church AV Guy]

My Tivo had a glitch last night. I am missing six minutes of the show from the middle. That's never happened to me before, so I have a couple of questions.

1) This has NOTHING to do with this episode but, what is the pencil drawing next to Duncan during the theme song? My wife and I have puzzled over it since the beginning of the year, so embarrassed as I am for not figuring it out, I ask, WHAT IS IT?

2) Why was the pizza-guy mugger using the addresses of "coconuts" as delivery points to mug the delivery guys?

3) Lamb seems to think that he has less to lose than Jackie's dad (Terrence?). Doesn't he know that HE could go to jail for extortion? He can't be THAT stupid, can he?

[TAsunder]

Yeah, some bad acting. I was reminded of shannon elizabeth with that acting. Smiling and gleefully delivering each line is not going to win any oscars/emmies.

[AJRitz]

I can help you with two of the three:
2) Why was the pizza-guy mugger using the addresses of "coconuts" as delivery points to mug the delivery guys?

First, remember that the pizza-guy mugger was a McGuffin. He didn't really have anything to do with the outings at all, and didn't have the message board member info. He was just a latino kid trying to impress the PCHers and get into the gang. So he was using people as targets that the PCHers would appreciate being potential investigation targets.

3) Lamb seems to think that he has less to lose than Jackie's dad (Terrence?). Doesn't he know that HE could go to jail for extortion? He can't be THAT stupid, can he?
1. Yes, he can be that dumb.
2. While that recording is a potentially explosive revelation (no pun intended), it is less clear that it would be useful to prosecute Lamb. First, Lamb has no idea how the recording was made. WE, however, know that it was made by Veronica wiretapping Lamb's office. That recording is almost certainly illegal - neither party to the conversation consented to it being recorded, so even in a one-party consent state, the recording is illegal. Since the recording is illegal, it probably can't be used as evidence against Lamb in court, even though it was made by a private citizen and not by the government. Finally, Keith will never actually turn the recording over to authorities, because if they DO discover the provenance of the recording, Veronica could be facing jail time for the illegal recording.

[TAsunder]

Er... it wasn't a wiretap was it? It was just a recording device planted somewhere.

[Church AV Guy]

First, remember that the pizza-guy mugger was a McGuffin. He didn't really have anything to do with the outings at all, and didn't have the message board member info. He was just a latino kid trying to impress the PCHers and get into the gang. So he was using people as targets that the PCHers would appreciate being potential investigation targets.

Right, I get that, BUT, didn't Veronica find him using the list of names she got from Carmen--people who were "coconuts"? Why was he using the names of Latinos who were Dating whites?

2. While that recording is a potentially explosive revelation (no pun intended), it is less clear that it would be useful to prosecute Lamb. First, Lamb has no idea how the recording was made. WE, however, know that it was made by Veronica wiretapping Lamb's office. That recording is almost certainly illegal - neither party to the conversation consented to it being recorded, so even in a one-party consent state, the recording is illegal. Since the recording is illegal, it probably can't be used as evidence against Lamb in court, even though it was made by a private citizen and not by the government. Finally, Keith will never actually turn the recording over to authorities, because if they DO discover the provenance of the recording, Veronica could be facing jail time for the illegal recording.

Good points all. I guess I didn't think this through completely. So, is Lamb going to indict Terrence, or is this a game of chicken that he will lose?

[LoadStar]

Er... it wasn't a wiretap was it? It was just a recording device planted somewhere.

Yes. It was a bug. Literally... it was a bug inside an insect encased in plastic.

[Church AV Guy]

Er... it wasn't a wiretap was it? It was just a recording device planted somewhere.

I suppose, but still illegal as the intent is the same.

[Magnolia88]

Wow, never would have thought he would stoop THAT low...but now that you mention it...

Well, considering that Logan is worried about getting sent to prison and bunking with Fisty McRapesalot, he feels that he is running out of options. I can't blame him for doing whatever he can to avoid being convicted of a crime he didn't commit.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that Logan planted the coke, because that does seem a little drastic, but it did seem a little too easy for Hannah to "find" the coke oh-so-conveniently stashed in the medicine cabinet after Logan had just been in that bathroom the day before (or so). Plus, how does Logan even know that Nip/Schmuck is using coke? We know he's mixed up with the Fitzpatricks but do we know he uses coke specifically?

It all seemed very fishy to me -- Logan tells Hannah her dad is involved in drugs and boom, she finds drugs in the medicine cabinet. Surely if her dad were involved in drugs, he'd do a better job of hiding them from his daughter? I think Logan wanted Hannah to believe him and trust him and had to figure out how to turn her against her father in order to do that, and I wouldn't put it past him to plant drugs if he felt that would help him get info on the dad. And Logan's confrontation with the dad certainly implied that he'd be willing to do whatever it takes to get the dad to retract his story.

The stuff about the recording of Lamb and Cook must have really thrown Cook for a loop as well as Lamb. After the last episode when Keith revealed that he knew about Cook's gambling problem and knew about Cook and Ms. Dumass, Cook must think that Keith's been having him followed night and day for months. I'd think at some point Cook would demand that Keith explain how he knows all this very personal and secret info about his life before Cook ever walked into Keith's office to ask for help. It must seem sort of stalkerish.

And another thing: Cook can't seem to pay his gambling debts and is worried about getting beaten up by thugs working for Lobo and/or the Fitzpatricks, but he has an airplane hangar full of expensive cars? WTF? Isn't your life more important than owning a bunch of sports cars? I'd think he would be worried about the safety of his daughter as well.

[Church AV Guy]

Really, I want to know, what is the pencil drawing next to Duncan during the theme song? Doesn't ANYONE know?

[mmilton80]

Peter Ferrer (I think) was frequent poster of the Pirate S.H.I.P. and went on, according to VM, about the "outing of all outings in Neptune" and then disappeared...victim of the bus crash. Hmmmmmm...outings of all outings...possible motive behind the bus crash? Could this "outing" be so monumental that it would turn Neptune upside down...I have no idea.

[Magnolia88]

Really, I want to know, what is the pencil drawing next to Duncan during the theme song? Doesn't ANYONE know?

Do you have a link to a screencap? I am pretty sure I am able to tell what all the drawings are, but I don't exactly have them all memorized as to what picture goes with which character. Can you describe it?

I thought that Duncan was shown with a surveillance or security camera, but maybe that was last year.

And something tells me that the credits will be changing soon anyway.

Peter Ferrera (I think) was frequent poster of the Pirate S.H.I.P. and went on, according to VM, about the "outing of all outings in Neptune" and then disappeared...victim of the bus crash. Hmmmmmm...outings of all outings...possible motive behind the bus crash? Could this "outing" be so monumental that it would turn Neptune upside down...I have no idea.

I'm not at liberty (http://magnolia888.livejournal.com/13374.html) to discuss certain upcoming plot develoments and I don't want to spoil anyone, but . . .

I think that you're on to something with that "outing of all outings" comment from Peter. The victims of the bus crash will all become important. And there is still another bus victim yet to be identified before we know all their names.

[LoadStar]

Really, I want to know, what is the pencil drawing next to Duncan during the theme song? Doesn't ANYONE know?

Looks like a security camera to me.

[cmontyburns]

Well, considering that Logan is worried about getting sent to prison and bunking with Fisty McRapesalot, he feels that he is running out of options. I can't blame him for doing whatever he can to avoid being convicted of a crime he didn't commit.

"Fisty McRapesalot"... good lord, Magnolia. :)

I had the same reaction as many of you, that Logan planted the coke. And I'm not convinced he didn't, although there is the matter of the phone call from/to the Fitzpatricks on the caller ID. I'm not buying that he was also responsible for that. (Or is there another reason why Hannah's father might have reason to be in contact with them? Could easily be a detail that I've lost among the million other VM details I am trying to keep track of.) And where would Logan get coke, anyway (assuming it was real)? The two most likely sources in Neptune are the Fitzpatricks and the PCH'ers, and clearly he didn't get it from either of them.

Edit: I'm reminded (by a post on another forum) that Hannah's dad may indeed be on the powder. If I'm remembering right, didn't Veronica tail him to (or see him in) the cigar shop that we later learned is a prime spot for drug deals?

[Magnolia88]

"Fisty McRapesalot"... good lord, Magnolia. :)

That was Logan's choice of words, not mine. Heh. That's what he said to Veronica right before he said "help me, Mars Kenobi, you're my only hope."

Fwiw, I can't decide whether I think that Logan planted the coke, but it did seem very fishy to me and I definitely think it's possible. Obviously Nip/Schmuck (again, Logan's words, not mine) is involved with the Fitzpatricks and is up to no good, probably drug-related, so the phone calls are probably legit.

And where would Logan get coke, anyway (assuming it was real)? The two most likely sources in Neptune are the Fitzpatricks and the PCH'ers, and clearly he didn't get it from either of them.

Remember that we learned a couple of eps ago that Logan's old buddy Sean Freedrick (the butler's son) is now dealing coke. He told Weevil in the bathroom that he didn't get his stuff from the Fitzpatricks and Logan was hiding in the stall and listening.

Sean apparently is dealing a variety of drugs, because he sold E to Hector, who turned around and sold it to Dick for a big profit. That's why Weevil thought Hector was getting it from the Fitzpatricks, but Hector told him that he got it from Sean, the 09er drug dealer.

If I'm remembering right, didn't Veronica tail him to (or see him in) the cigar shop that we later learned is a prime spot for drug deals?

Yes, she followed Dr. Griffith to the cigar shop and iirc, saw him pick up a package or something. The implication is that he's involved in something shady with the Fitzpatricks, probably drugs, but we don't really know the specifics. I was thinking it might be more of a prescription drug type of thing, where he's supplying them with stuff rather than vice versa. I may have to go back and watch that episode again because it's all fuzzy now.

Man, this show is freaking complicated. They need to do a "clip show" like Lost and DH and GA have done, recapping everything that's happened with a nice helpful Veronica voiceover. That kind of show could be easily done in the format of this show, with Veronica maybe just sitting at her laptop, digesting all the clues and evidence she's uncovered so far about the bus crash and Felix's murder. I think it would be very helpful because even the hardcore fans are having trouble keeping everything straight.

[Royster]

Really, I want to know, what is the pencil drawing next to Duncan during the theme song? Doesn't ANYONE know?

You really need to see VM in HD. The pencil drawings are awesome.

Teddy Dunn's drawing is a donut. Just kidding. Yes, it's a security camera mounted high on a wall near the ceiling.

[quango]

On the other hand, I'm not sure that Logan planted the coke, because that does seem a little drastic, but it did seem a little too easy for Hannah to "find" the coke oh-so-conveniently stashed in the medicine cabinet after Logan had just been in that bathroom the day before (or so). Plus, how does Logan even know that Nip/Schmuck is using coke? We know he's mixed up with the Fitzpatricks but do we know he uses coke specifically?

Is it the same bathroom? Seems odd that Nip/Schmuck would put his coke in the Band-Aid box in the medicine cabinet of the bathroom that the guests use--what if someone cuts a finger and needs a Band-Aid?

Plus, Logan doesn't need to convince Hannah that daddy's a cokehead until after she starts giving him the cold shoulder at school--I don't think Logan expected that turn of events.

Of course, if Logan got the "coke," it doesn't need to be real. Hannah doesn't strike me as the sort of person who would know what real coke looks/tastes like. Could just be talcum powder or baking flour or something.

[wedgecon]

Were you watching the Los Angeles station? I had the same exact thing happen to me with the missing six minutes in the middle.


My Tivo had a glitch last night. I am missing six minutes of the show from the middle. That's never happened to me before, so I have a couple of questions.

1) This has NOTHING to do with this episode but, what is the pencil drawing next to Duncan during the theme song? My wife and I have puzzled over it since the beginning of the year, so embarrassed as I am for not figuring it out, I ask, WHAT IS IT?

2) Why was the pizza-guy mugger using the addresses of "coconuts" as delivery points to mug the delivery guys?

3) Lamb seems to think that he has less to lose than Jackie's dad (Terrence?). Doesn't he know that HE could go to jail for extortion? He can't be THAT stupid, can he?

[madscientist]

I don't quite get the theory of the detente between Lamb and Cook. Yes, certainly if Cook releases the tape he (Cook) will lose a lot. But, if he's convicted or even arrested for blowing up a bus full of high school kids he'll lose all of that AND MORE. Sure, maybe if you compare what Lamb has to lose to what Cook has to lose it doesn't seem like much leverage, but when you consider the alternative for Cook I don't see how Lamb can possibly ignore the treat; as far as Lamb knows, anyway, that threat has to be considered quite real and serious.

No?

[Magnolia88]

madscientist: I had the same reaction to the Lamb-Cook standoff. But I figured it was sort of like a game of chicken and Lamb was calling his bluff, at least for now.

Obviously getting convicted for the bus crash is much worse than having his gambling issues revealed to the world from the tape. But Lamb figures that he would only release the tape as a last resort because releasing the tape would as disastrous for Cook as it would be for Lamb, if not more so.

If Cook is really innocent of the bus crash as he claims, then there are probably other ways to prove it. I think Lamb is gambling that Cook isn't going to release the tape unless and until he exhausts all his other options for staying out of jail, and Lamb is right.

[Amnesia]

chicken and LambAnyone else getting hungry?

Chicken, Lamb, Cook...

[Church AV Guy]

You really need to see VM in HD. The pencil drawings are awesome.

Teddy Dunn's drawing is a donut. Just kidding. Yes, it's a security camera mounted high on a wall near the ceiling.

Thanks to all those who replied. As soon as the first per said security camera I saw it. I don't know why it took so long, but again, thanks. This group is really good.

[Church AV Guy]

Were you watching the Los Angeles station? I had the same exact thing happen to me with the missing six minutes in the middle.

Yes, it was the LA station. I had never seen anything like that before, so I just assumed it was a glitch on my part because it started and ended on time, with a gap in the middle. I never thought it might be something channel 13 had done to annoy Tivo. I wonder if every Tivo was effected?

[stark]

The hanger being owned by County Supervisor/Team Owner Woody Goodman makes things VERY interesting. What's his motivation to blow up the bus?
He wants to split Neptune into a upper-class and lower class towns. The bus crash is working really well to encourage that split.

[Jesda]

Im totally confused, thanks to the gaps between episodes. I'm only watching this season for the entertaining case-of-the-week stuff, and to stare at Kristen Bell.

[lonwolf615]

to stare at Kristen Bell.

As good a reason as any.

[brimtoast]

Im totally confused, thanks to the gaps between episodes.

If you need help catching up/refreshing your memory, you can use this short and comprehensive Season 2 summary (http://www.marsinvestigations.net/seasonsummary2.php) or the video diary (http://www.upn.com/shows/veronica_mars/diary/index.shtml) on UPN.com's official site.

[WinBear]

What happened in the last 8-10 minutes? The Dallas affiliate ran VM after the basketball game, but it started late and I didn't pad enough.

The last thing I saw was Lamb inserting the CD into his laptop.