The Shield "Of Mice and Lem" 3/14/06 *spoilers* [Text View]

Rob Helmerichs

03-14-2006, 11:25 PM

Heh. Not only is Kavanaugh becoming Vic, now he's even imitating him!

And when he plays Vic's game against Vic, there's only one direction he can go: Down.
Last two eps until the hiatus. Anyone know how long the hiatus will be??
Apparently, it hasn't been decided yet. Either January, or this Fall.

vikingguy

03-15-2006, 12:09 AM

I have no idea what to say but holyshit. Everything vic is doing is backfiring it is like karma is starting to pay him back finally. Kavanaugh is like an inch from going over the edge. I though kavanaugh was going to drill vic or his ex when he found out they had sex and she loved it. Poor lem he can't even take one for the team with out it getting out of control. Also something has to happen with David A it is just going way to well for him. I have a feeling antwone is going to give him a call about the DoC investigation and the other stuff kavanaugh is threatning to do. The way they are setting it up this will be the cliff hanger ending that will drive me insane.

Kamakzie

03-15-2006, 12:36 AM

So I wonder if Kav wants to get paybacks on Vic via Corine???? Boy this season is really turning out to be the best ever. I hope Lem doesn't get wacked! What a great show!

5thcrewman

03-15-2006, 02:55 AM

I hope Lem doesn't have an aneurysm and bleed out.

JohnB1000

03-15-2006, 02:57 AM

That's more like it, I found the last 2 eps to be very filler like, but this was top notch all the way through, if you go back and watch again you're amazed by how many stories and changes were woven in yet it all tied together. Lem at the end was simply gut-wrenching, it was painful to watch especially since Lem has always been the nicest of the team (Ronnie a close second).

lonwolf615

03-15-2006, 03:18 AM

So I wonder if Kav wants to get paybacks on Vic via Corine???? !

Yeah, that was creepy. Its a credit to the writing and FW's acting that we really don't know what he will do next. He's totally believable as a once highly moral man now spinning out of control.

newsposter

03-15-2006, 07:45 AM

I doubt Mrs. Vic would be that desperate to get back at vic by sleeping with Mr. Icky. ewww I'd see Mr. K as going off the deep end and forcing himself though. I dont see how Lem can avoid a tangle with the law. Unless they prove that Mr K planted the evidence. But then they would probably ask why he took the deal if he was innocent. Just can't turn out good at all.

so now the captain thing makes no sense. Ok yea, they want rid of mr puppet. But here's a woman that they admittedly dont think can do her job yet get a promotion? Is she union or something? My guess is they will put her at the top, say she failed, then have just cause to fire her. I love how they threw Mr K out of 'his' office and he had to give it up to Claudette. Also loved her tirade, she's my new hero calling people out for how it is in there.

The whole rat trap sidebar thing is plain painful to watch. 2 points for creativity though. Wonder if it's based on a true story?

Rob Helmerichs

03-15-2006, 08:23 AM

so now the captain thing makes no sense. Ok yea, they want rid of mr puppet. But here's a woman that they admittedly dont think can do her job yet get a promotion? Is she union or something? My guess is they will put her at the top, say she failed, then have just cause to fire her. I love how they threw Mr K out of 'his' office and he had to give it up to Claudette. Also loved her tirade, she's my new hero calling people out for how it is in there.
In retrospect, I don't think they didn't think she could do her job; they were just making sure in light of her medical issues that they were making the right choice. But they couldn't tell her that without risking word getting out that they were replacing Captain Flaccid.

And yes, that scene was great, especially Captain Flaccid agreeing with her every step of the way until she turned on him. Priceless!

charlief1975

03-15-2006, 09:08 AM

Last nights episode is the reason why I look forward to this show. Last night was all over the place. Perfect pace. Hitting all the stories that had been going on for a while.

Can't wait for 90 minutes of The Shield next week.

TAsunder

03-15-2006, 09:22 AM

Are we supposed to think that Lem is just suffering from an ulcer or what? He seemed to be acting sick the whole episode.

That scene with Gina Torres was totally unexpected.

Due to dramatic irony we don't feel bad for billings. If we didn't know he was a pervert and coward, we might feel bad for him getting called out by Claudette.

The scene where CERN bit it was unexpected as well. But good. I should have known it was coming due to Ebert's law of economy of character.

newsposter

03-15-2006, 09:31 AM

At least we know who's butt is was from last weeks previews. I thought for a moment it was AM's girl.

gchance

03-15-2006, 10:06 AM

Giiiiiiiiiina, Gina, Gina, your character's a freak, but what a butt.

Due to dramatic irony we don't feel bad for billings. If we didn't know he was a pervert and coward, we might feel bad for him getting called out by Claudette.

With Billings, it's more than the pervert and coward thing. He's not a leader and has screwed up since before he was made chief. Sure, you'd feel bad if a random character got called out; we have his character development for a reason.

Greg

nataylor

03-15-2006, 10:07 AM

Sweet butter! Loved it! What a great episode. In a way, I almost thought it was gong to be the finale before the hiatus. It had that kinda feel to it, with Lem on the run at the end and Kavanaugh going in to see Corrine. I can't image what they'll pull out for the real finale next week.

tetspa

03-15-2006, 10:34 AM

Sweet Butter

mitchb2

03-15-2006, 10:46 AM

Unbelievably intense show! I have no idea...anything can happen, anyone can bite it next week.

And after years of being in love with Gina Torres, I finally get to see her naked butt!

Rob Helmerichs

03-15-2006, 10:55 AM

And after years of being in love with Gina Torres, I finally get to see her naked butt!
I doubt it--the awkward cuts to and from that shot screamed "body double" to me.

TAsunder

03-15-2006, 11:13 AM

Except they clearly showed her face during that scene.

I never really had much of a problem with Billings until the car wash, and was almost ready to forgive it until the peeping tom. I guess I'm more forgiving.

Rob Helmerichs

03-15-2006, 11:29 AM

Except they clearly showed her face during that scene.
I don't think they did in the shot with the nudity...

(It was from behind, after all.)

gchance

03-15-2006, 11:43 AM

I don't think they did in the shot with the nudity...

(It was from behind, after all.)

It was her. I quadruple-checked, you know, to make sure, yeah. You can see her face as Mackey pulls down her panties and can also see her face as he's turning her around.

Don't you use your Tivo to its fullest?

Greg

JohnB1000

03-15-2006, 12:21 PM

Are we supposed to think that Lem is just suffering from an ulcer or what? He seemed to be acting sick the whole episode..

Lem has been known to have ulcers for a few seasons, since the stress of the Armenian money got to him. It's come up a few times.

TAsunder

03-15-2006, 12:22 PM

Yeah, seriously. Who watches such a scene only once without slow motion or freeze framing for 30 seconds? It's unamerican.

TAsunder

03-15-2006, 12:23 PM

Lem has been known to have ulcers for a few seasons, since the stress of the Armenian money got to him. It's come up a few times.

Yes. I guess I didn't phrase that right. I meant, is this vomitting of blood and general sickness supposed to be just the ulcers or something more? Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, I thought he previously would just hold his stomach and say "oooghh".

Amnesia

03-15-2006, 12:27 PM

It's come up a few times.So to speak.

JohnB1000

03-15-2006, 12:32 PM

Sorry bout that' Lem has definitely been mentioned as coughing up blood before, around the time he did his thng with the cash, but maybe they're building up to something.

It seems odd to me that they wouldn't just tell the "authorities" about the danger that Lem is in. There has to be something they could do to protect him.

TAsunder

03-15-2006, 12:33 PM

Just bad memory I guess. He should go to jail and be worried a lot, then they'd put him in the infirmary all the time. Assuming prison works like it does in prison break.

newsposter

03-15-2006, 01:02 PM

nudity...( from behind, .)

I think a screenshot would be appropriate here so we can more fully understand your post.

TB805

03-15-2006, 04:44 PM

Why does it go on hiatus at all and WHY might this be the last season? Are they not getting enough viewers? Are the ratings that bad? Is it because it is on FX and not a "major" network? "24" ranks right up there in my top 3, but "Shield" has just been SO good.....I wonder how much better 24 could be if it was on cable.

So, the question remains, is this a HIATUS, as in a couple of months, a true SEASON finale as in several months, or a SERIES finale as has been rumored?? Also, is Acevedo going to get his? I can't believe Vic would trust him.....

nataylor

03-15-2006, 04:57 PM

I think a screenshot would be appropriate here so we can more fully understand your post.
http://www.nathantaylor.net/upload/shieldshining.jpg
How do they get such big guest stars?

At any rate... not a body double. There's very little editing around this poitn, and you can clearly see her face in the same shot where the pants go down.

vikingguy

03-15-2006, 06:05 PM

spartanstew

03-15-2006, 10:39 PM

Loved everything about this episode. I was literally on the edge of my seat the whole time thinking Kavanaugh might crack.

No way does mrs. mackey get with the big guy voluntarily.

Poor Lem. The loveable loser.

Can't wait for next week.

Yeah, seriously. Who watches such a scene only once without slow motion or freeze framing for 30 seconds?

Guys that get laid occasionally.

mdsutherland

03-15-2006, 10:58 PM

IMO comparing this show to 24 is just insulting to the Shield. I don't think having 24 on cable would add anything to the show.

Kamakzie

03-15-2006, 11:01 PM

If Kavanaugh raped Mrs. Mackey then Kav would die shortly after because Vic would take him out regardless if people witnessed it .

jradford

03-16-2006, 12:01 AM

Guys that get laid occasionally.
I disagree completely. :D

Mr. Soze

03-16-2006, 05:48 AM

The best part of this excellent episode was that little smile Vic gave when he knew exactly what was going to happen with Kav's ex-wife. The "sweet butter" line, and his confrontation with the ex, especially the way she went for the jugular made me think Kav was going to stroke out. Then after his outburst in the captain's office, he's going off the rails.

Next week, 90 minutes. I can't wait. How many shows can you say that about?

Rob Helmerichs

03-16-2006, 08:23 AM

The best part of this excellent episode was that little smile Vic gave when he knew exactly what was going to happen with Kav's ex-wife.
...except it was more subtle than that. First he was stunned when she launched into him, then he thought really fast about how to best play it, then he decided the best way to play it was to nail the ex, and THEN (when he realized that the best way to play it involved getting busy with Gina Torres) he smiled.

Awesome acting.

MasterOfPuppets

03-16-2006, 08:25 AM

This is also the first time in a long time that I've been truly excited about a TV episode...next week's season finale should be extra intense, with lots of loose ends to tie up...
Another amazing season...

newsposter

03-16-2006, 09:02 AM

Next week, 90 minutes. I can't wait. How many shows can you say that about?

American I... oops I meant that when it's only 30 min i'm happy :)

rlc1

03-16-2006, 09:41 AM

tetspa

03-16-2006, 10:26 AM

So who's the daddy? I vote for Aceveda. Vic too obvious. My 2'nd choice would be the "fourth man" on the team (bearded guy).

mdsutherland

03-16-2006, 10:38 AM

I thought it was kind of strange that they didn’t finish the scene with Julian and the rat-trap guy and actually show the guy confessing. They haven’t spent much time on Julian at all this season. I thought he was going to completely lose it during that interrogation.

Julian got him to confess and we saw all of that. We didn't see him filling out the paperwork and all of that but Julian got him to say he did it.

gchance

03-16-2006, 11:11 AM

So who's the daddy? I vote for Aceveda. Vic too obvious. My 2'nd choice would be the "fourth man" on the team (bearded guy).

It sounds crazy, but... Lem?

You saw when he came out and saw Danny. He was incredibly warm, with his hands on her belly. Then they showed Vic with a look on his face like he thought something might be up.

I'm tellin' ya, it could be Lem.

Greg

MasterOfPuppets

03-16-2006, 12:46 PM

I second the vote for Lem, especially with the other storyline revolving around him being on the run...although there's no guarentee that Dani actually reveals who the father is...
The shot in the preview with Vic holding the baby would make it far too obvious for him to be the father, and that'd just be a big disappointment...
I dunno about Lem flipping on Vic...he wasn't an eye witness to anything that happened to begin with and Vic never actually told him anything other than breaking into the police impound, it's all circumstancial...the question is...did Lem actually go to Mexico, or did he decide to be dropped off in the US???
The shot of Ronnie, I can't remember exactly when it was in the most recent episode, looked like he mnay consider flipping...but ultimately, I see Vic coming out on top of the situation, even if it looks bad when next week's episode wraps up...

ravonaf

03-16-2006, 01:32 PM

From what I read the creator of the show and the main actors want to end it when the show is on top. The way this season is playing out the show will go out on top then some.

I would like to see a link to this. The only rumor I've seen has been on this board. There is no proof as all that the show is ending any time soon. Everything I see says next week is the end of this season. The new season starts in January of next year like it frequently does. In order to get around peoples schedules they did film both seasons back to back. Unless people can provide some proof they should let this rumor die.

Bierboy

03-16-2006, 02:38 PM

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rlc1

03-16-2006, 03:02 PM

I dunno about Lem flipping on Vic...he wasn't an eye witness to anything that happened to begin with and Vic never actually told him anything other than breaking into the police impound, it's all circumstancial..

You must not have watched this show from the first season on, because Lem most certainly was an eye witness to something - he was right there in the room when Vic shot Terry. This was in the very first episode, I believe. I realize you're probably just talking about this season....but surely you can't mean that Lem doesn't have any first-hand dirt on Vic....

lonwolf615

03-16-2006, 03:07 PM

I don't think so.

mdsutherland

03-16-2006, 03:17 PM

You must not have watched this show from the first season on, because Lem most certainly was an eye witness to something - he was right there in the room when Vic shot Terry. This was in the very first episode, I believe. I realize you're probably just talking about this season....but surely you can't mean that Lem doesn't have any first-hand dirt on Vic....

Lem wasn't in the room. Only Shane and Vic were. Ronny and Lem were fed the same story everyone else was. Doesn't mean Lem doesn't have dirty on Vic but not about the Terry shooting. Lem does know all about the Money Train.

Rob Helmerichs

03-16-2006, 03:17 PM

You must not have watched this show from the first season on, because Lem most certainly was an eye witness to something - he was right there in the room when Vic shot Terry.
I don't think so. I think only Shane was right there.

Eariler this saeson, Kavanaugh made a case for Vic shooting Terry. Lem was shook up, and went to Vic and confronted him about it. And Vic tried to avoid answering the question, which seemed to make Lem start to doubt him.

I'm a little surprised they never followed up on that, come to think of it...

mdsutherland

03-16-2006, 03:19 PM

I do believe Kavanaugh was sincere when he apologized to Lem. That was a very interesting scence. Kavanaugh was shocked that Lem would rather do jail time that turn on Vic.

newsposter

03-16-2006, 03:43 PM

I'm pretty sure the pilot is showing soon if it didn't already...you can watch it again!

Bierboy

03-16-2006, 06:47 PM

I do believe Kavanaugh was sincere when he apologized to Lem...You're kidding....right? :eek:

Rob Helmerichs

03-16-2006, 07:07 PM

You're kidding....right? :eek:
I kind of got that vibe, too. Like he thought Lem was the only decent guy in the bunch, and if he pressured him enough, Lem would give up the others. I really don't think Kavanaugh expected Lem NOT to rat out the others, and that he may sincerely regret that Lem didn't (although perhaps not necessarily his own role in Lem's downfall).

markz

03-16-2006, 07:20 PM

I would like to see a link to this. The only rumor I've seen has been on this board. There is no proof as all that the show is ending any time soon. Everything I see says next week is the end of this season. The new season starts in January of next year like it frequently does. In order to get around peoples schedules they did film both seasons back to back. Unless people can provide some proof they should let this rumor die.

I heard Shawn Ryan interviewed on NPR two days ago.

He said that they will take a short hiatus and then in April they would start filming 10 more episodes. He didn't know when they would begin airing. It depends on what FX wants to do with them. About half way through these 10 episodes, they will decide whether to end the show after them or go one more season. He said he didn;t see it being able to go more than one more season though.

You can read and I think listen to it here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5261072

uncdrew

03-16-2006, 07:27 PM

Sweet Butter

My friends and I commented about this show and how on the Dick Van Dyke Show they had separate beds.

Times have changed. Lucky us.

Great episode. :up:

mdsutherland

03-16-2006, 07:36 PM

You're kidding....right? :eek:

No, not at all. I'm not saying he would take any of it back I just feel he didn't want Lem to go down for Vic. I also think he realized overall Lem was a pretty good cop that just got caught up with Vic. Remember I have been one of the few that considered Kav to be just doing his job and not pure evil.

mdsutherland

03-16-2006, 07:37 PM

I kind of got that vibe, too. Like he thought Lem was the only decent guy in the bunch, and if he pressured him enough, Lem would give up the others. I really don't think Kavanaugh expected Lem NOT to rat out the others, and that he may sincerely regret that Lem didn't (although perhaps not necessarily his own role in Lem's downfall).

Glad I'm not alone.

Rob Helmerichs

03-16-2006, 07:48 PM

Glad I'm not alone.
But you are alone about Kavanaugh! :D

Well, I don't think he's PURE evil, but he had an evil streak to begin with, and it's been taking him over more and more. I've suspected for a while now that he's becoming Vic, and the end of this episode pretty much confirmed that for me.

Problem is, Vic has a lot more experience being Vic than Kavanaugh does...

newsposter

03-16-2006, 08:23 PM

Why didn't lem kick K in the nuts when he knocked on the door? That would have been a freebie as far as im concerned

ravonaf

03-16-2006, 10:29 PM

I heard Shawn Ryan interviewed on NPR two days ago.

He said that they will take a short hiatus and then in April they would start filming 10 more episodes. He didn't know when they would begin airing. It depends on what FX wants to do with them. About half way through these 10 episodes, they will decide whether to end the show after them or go one more season. He said he didn;t see it being able to go more than one more season though.

You can read and I think listen to it here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5261072

Sounds like possibley 3 more seasons to me. 11 Eps airing next year (already filmed). The 10 to begin filming in april. And possibly one more. That's a far cry from half the posters on this board spreading rumors that this is the last season. If anything, your link disproves the rumors. Thanks for posting it.

Rob Helmerichs

03-16-2006, 10:37 PM

jradford

03-16-2006, 11:00 PM

Sounds like possibley 3 more seasons to me. 11 Eps airing next year (already filmed). The 10 to begin filming in april. And possibly one more. That's a far cry from half the posters on this board spreading rumors that this is the last season. If anything, your link disproves the rumors. Thanks for posting it.
I had the 100% opposite reaction. It kind of proves these rumors most of us have said we've heard: This 22 episode season (which you can call a split season or two seasons or whatever, it is still what we've been referring to) could very well be the last season. No one is trying to convince you that they definitely know the future of the Shield, but you can't try to seriously spin this as discrediting the "rumors" you have refused to believe exist outside this forum.

tbowie

03-17-2006, 02:57 AM

The ones filming in April are the ones that will be shown either in the Fall or January. They are the second half of the fifth production season.

This is exactly the way I took it as well. I also doubt they will start in the fall since I imagine Rescue Me will be running during that time period.

markz

03-17-2006, 06:19 AM

This is exactly the way I took it as well.

That's the way I understood it too when I listened to the interview.

marcello696

03-17-2006, 11:03 AM

This season has simply been some of the best televsion I've ever seen. There has never been a show that has kept me right on the edge of my seat like this season has. If Kav's tirade in front of the Chief about Vic isn't enough to get Forrest Whittaker an Emmy nomination then nothing will.

As far as the season finale goes I just cant see this ending well for Lem. There is no way in hell he can ever be a cop again and with him now on the run if he doesn't get killed he will be spending a loooooong time in jail. The bigger question for me is how will Aceveda fit into all of this. We know he is currently playing Vic but with Antwan Mitchell involved that could change very quickly since Aceveda got Antwan to kill Juan in jail.

beldar

03-17-2006, 12:03 PM

It seems odd to me that they wouldn't just tell the "authorities" about the danger that Lem is in. There has to be something they could do to protect him.I don't think it works that way. All I know about prison life I learned from "Oz".

rlc1

03-17-2006, 01:05 PM

Lem wasn't in the room. Only Shane and Vic were. Ronny and Lem were fed the same story everyone else was. Doesn't mean Lem doesn't have dirty on Vic but not about the Terry shooting. Lem does know all about the Money Train.

You're right, my bad. Guess it looks like I am the one that hasn't been watching from the beginning. I have, but was thinking it was Lem, not Shane, with Vic. Guess I need to pay attention more! Especially since they've shown flashback-type clips of the Terry shooting this season....

super dave

03-18-2006, 06:44 PM

I just watched Internal Affairs on SCinemax and the plot lines resembled this years run of the Shield closely. Vic is Peck, Kavanaugh is Andy Garcia and the many women, wives and cop killing cop thing. I felt like it was a bizzaro Shield.