West Wing - Sunday 2006.03.12 (Spoilers)

[drew2k]

I'm really going to miss this show when it's gone ...

I can only hope NBC realizes what they're losing and reconsiders the cancellation, but it may be too late to keep the key actors.

There was a lot of humor in tonight's show, a little bit of current events, and a whole lot of drama. I especially loved the scene in CJ's office with Will and Kate - lasted 60 seconds, but it really worked!

It was also sad to see Leo again, knowing we won't be seeing him much longer. :(

[pendragn]

Leo. :(

This show really is getting good. Too bad about it being cancelled.

tk

[Tracy RainH2o]

Leo. :(



I wonder how they will work his death into the show.

[bdlucas]

Is it just me or is CJ looking pretty good these days?

[edc]

I wonder how they will work his death into the show.


Leo dies on election night.

[edc]

I can only hope NBC realizes what they're losing and reconsiders the cancellation, but it may be too late to keep the key actors.


While a nice thought, it simply isn't going to happen.

Rewatching the last half of the sixth season on Bravo, they really have found a nice place. I suppose it is better to go out on a high, and it makes perfect sense to end with the departure Bartlet and his staff.

Still, I wonder if there might be a chance at an occasional peek into this universe. Political drama can easily be done as a two-hour TV-movie, and it would be perfectly logical for some of the Bartlet-era characters to either still be in Washington, or be drawn in as part of whatever "event" the plot centers on.

[iceturkee]

the donna/will scene was a hoot. don't think donna was really happy when lu got up to give her her room key back.

[Gunnyman]

Will Josh be in Donna's room at the start of the next ep?
I doubt it. Josh is pretty damn dense.

[iceturkee]

remember, he said something to her in the limo that it was just the moment of excitement that led him to kiss her.

[Gunnyman]

he was lying to himself :p (and to her.

[bdlucas]

Josh is pretty damn dense.
Not dense I don't think, just afraid.

[mrpantstm]

while I've always wanted those crazy kids, Donna and Josh, to hook up, it just doesn't fit. Donna's character has dramatically changed in the past couple of seasons though.

Decent episode but I'm glad it's coming to a close.

[landrumdh]

This episode was excellent. I agree it's too bad they are axing it this season as I think the show is starting to gain momentum. Atleast it'll go out with an excellent season people will remeber.

It was hard to see John playing Leo knowing what's coming so soon.

Josh needed to lip something donna when she looked at him. ANYTHING would have done better than the dear in the headlights he gave her *sigh*.

[newsposter]

What am I missing? can't josh knock on her door or just know he's coming up right after she does? I dont see the need for a key.

I like that jed is giving the new guys a headache. I dont mind the show going off the air like this now. It can end with Jed and the current crew leaving quite the mess.

Gosh what fun campaigns are. I guess polls must be good predictors or they wouldn't hinge on every single one :)


Boy watching the end of season preview sure gives a lot away..shees um:)

[pendragn]

Boy watching the end of season preview sure gives a lot away..shees um:)

Are you talking about CJ? I thought she looked pregnant when they were all standing on the steps. My wife thought it was just the dress she was wearing.


tk

[markz]

What am I missing? can't josh knock on her door or just know he's coming up right after she does? I dont see the need for a key.



It was symbolic. It was her unspoken way of letting him (and the viewers) know that she was ready to take it to the next level. It was easier than having to come up with the words to tell him.

[bdlucas]

It was symbolic. It was her unspoken way of letting him (and the viewers) know that she was ready to take it to the next level. It was easier than having to come up with the words to tell him.
And at the end there it looked like she thought Josh had sent the aide to return the key as a way of saying "no" :(

[markz]

And at the end there it looked like she thought Josh had sent the aide to return the key as a way of saying "no" :(

The aide actually picked up the key herself before Josh could though, right?

[DavidS]

The aide actually picked up the key herself before Josh could though, right?
But Donna doesn't know that.

[scooterboy]

What happened to Janeane Garofalo's character? Did I miss something?

[IJustLikeTivo]

There was a lot of humor in tonight's show, a little bit of current events, and a whole lot of drama. I especially loved the scene in CJ's office with Will and Kate - lasted 60 seconds, but it really worked!
(

I liked Will comment on the way out. "we're really bad at this!", commenting on their inability to keep a straight face.

BTW, GO WILL!, I certainly think Mary McCormack is a MILF.

[cheerdude]

Pretty sad that I had to look up MILF....

... and I did it at WORK! :eek:

[newsposter]

Are you talking about CJ? I thought she looked pregnant when they were all standing on the steps. My wife thought it was just the dress she was wearing.


tk

ditto on your post, i guess we'll find out later...but also to see lowe coming back and the library scene..which technically cant be a spoiler since we saw it the first ep this season lol

[markz]

But Donna doesn't know that.

Right. That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure I understood it.

She laid down the key, the aide picked it up and returned it to her, she looked at Josh, and he sat there like an idiot!

Now that she made her intentions known to Josh by laying the key down, he needs to go on up to the room.

He DID see her lay the key down, didn't he?

[jgerry]

He DID see her lay the key down, didn't he?

Hell yeah he saw her lay it down!!

I thought that scene was great. Totally reminded me of one of the great reasons to stay single... There's nothing like the feeling that you have in the time between when you KNOW you're going to get some and when you actually GET SOME.

I'm going to miss West Wing.

[jschuur]

Not just one, but TWO of the other women at the table saw the key and were discussing returning it to Donna. Either they were completely oblivious to what she was trying to do, or were trying to intervene on the deed.

[markz]

Not just one, but TWO of the other women at the table saw the key and were discussing returning it to Donna. Either they were completely oblivious to what she was trying to do, or were trying to intervene on the deed.

or maybe one of them has a secret girl-crush on Donna and planned to surprise her! NTTAWWT! ;)

[hawkamer]

Another great great episode. I loved the banter between CJ and Donna.

CJ: How's Josh?
Donna: What do you mean?
CJ: What part tripped you up?

:D

So yes, Josh is being an idiot. My prediction: He'll continue to be an idiot until the last episode!

[jsmeeker]

speaking of the key... what is up with it being an actual metal key? what major hotel in any city in America still uses a metal key like that?

[RegBarc]

Leo dies on election night.

Is this confirmed?

[scooterboy]

What happened to Janeane Garofalo's character? Did I miss something?
Anyone?

[edc]

Is this confirmed?

Yes. They've already filmed it.

Toward the end of "Election Day, Part I"


Cut to Interior Houston Hotel Corridor

Annabeth approaches Leo's room

She asks the Secret Service agents if everything is ok and they say it's all quiet. She knocks on the door, says she's sure Leo wants to be downstairs for the excitement. No answer. She asks the agents to let her in. Says she's not a danger, They tease back that she is. There's a note about how much the agents like Annabeth.

Annabeth enters the room. Then a scream. She screams again for someone to help Leo.



Incidentally


As a lifelong Houstonian, they got the hospital and the medical Center Right. Leo goes to Methodist Hospital.

[scoblitz]

I'm going to miss this show

[edc]

Anyone?

Lou will be back in 2 weeks for "Welcome to Wherever You Are."

The last time we saw her was "Running Mates" (Jan 8), but remember that's only a couple of weeks in the WW-verse.

[newsposter]

speaking of the key... what is up with it being an actual metal key? what major hotel in any city in America still uses a metal key like that?

My guess is older hotels that want to maintain that old world charm or dont have the money for upgrades. Also I know some down at the shore still have them.

[nyny523]

I think the use of the metal key was for our benefit, and for dramatic license - so there would be no doubt of the offer on the table. And I loved the way they used the backlighting of the table itself to show us what it was in the envelope - very nicely done. If it had been a keycard, I don't thing it would have had the same impact (there might have been doubt on either our part or Josh's part as to exactly what the card was). The actual metal key was a very clear message. I loved this scene. I can't wait to see if Josh ponies up...

[Pab Sungenis]

I think the use of the metal key was for our benefit, and for dramatic license - so there would be no doubt of the offer on the table. And I loved the way they used the backlighting of the table itself to show us what it was in the envelope - very nicely done. If it had been a keycard, I don't thing it would have had the same impact (there might have been doubt on either our part or Josh's part as to exactly what the card was). The actual metal key was a very clear message. I loved this scene. I can't wait to see if Josh ponies up...

I've heard of some people who prefer the metal keys for the way they look and feel. Almost "traditional."

Of course, now with RFID's, they can make digital locks and keys that look just like traditional keys.

[JDHutt25]

My wife recently stayed at a hotel in Boston (can't remember which). The key for her room was a metal "key" in that it was metal, and key shaped, however, it was programable, like a card key. It was pretty cool actually.

[jsmeeker]

My guess is older hotels that want to maintain that old world charm or dont have the money for upgrades. Also I know some down at the shore still have them.

Yeah... But not major, big chain hotels in Washington D.C.

Key cards have been around for two decades or more.

[bruinfan]

The downside of key cards is they can be stolen, reprogrammed, and used to take over government facilities like CTU. :D

[Meathead]

I have to say that they are doing a good job of wrapping up the season & the series. I cannot say that I will miss the show though. I used to be a die-hard loyal WW fan, but over the last few years, it has really fallen off par. Almost to the point of "If I miss an episode, I won't lose any sleep."

But I am looking forward to the last few episodes. The one thing that I really do not like is how the show is making Vinnick look like a weak moderate who cannot win without the radical right. I know this is a heavy liberal show with radical left wing writers...and I know that it is simply fiction...but as a moderate republican myself, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth & reminds me why I will not exactly miss this show when it goes off the air.

[jsmeeker]

But I am looking forward to the last few episodes. The one thing that I really do not like is how the show is making Vinnick look like a weak moderate who cannot win without the radical right. I know this is a heavy liberal show with radical left wing writers...and I know that it is simply fiction...but as a moderate republican myself, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth & reminds me why I will not exactly miss this show when it goes off the air.


Yeah... Kind of a shame. When Vinnick first appeared, they made him look good. DAMNED good. They didn't take the easy way out like they did with the Bartlet re-election by making the Republican candidate look like the way a typical left winger would think of a typical Republican. But as you point out, he's slid down since then. Too bad.

[bdlucas]

I can't wait to see if Josh ponies up...
If you know what I mean. ;)

[nyny523]

If you know what I mean. ;)

My sentiments exactly! :p ;) :D

[edc]

Yeah... Kind of a shame. When Vinnick first appeared, they made him look good. DAMNED good. [...] But as you point out, he's slid down since then. Too bad.

I think it is safe to say, In the real world, Arnold Vinick would never get the nomination.

The character has backslid since winning the nomination, but some of that is the difference between the primary process and RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Similarly, post-nomination, Santos has been much less the outsider.

It will be interesting to see where that storyline goes, and if Vinick allows the "religious right" to shape his campaign down the homestretch. It might be interesting (not a spoiler, speculation), if he does so, and that ends up being the deciding factor, win or lose. Then either Vinick is indebted to "the base," or he gets a hell of an "I told you so."

[edc]

Yeah... Kind of a shame. When Vinnick first appeared, they made him look good. DAMNED good. [...] But as you point out, he's slid down since then. Too bad.

I think it is safe to say, In the real world, Arnold Vinick would never get the nomination.

The character has backslid since winning the nomination, but some of that is the difference between the primary process and RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Similarly, post-nomination, Santos has been much less the outsider.

It will be interesting to see where that storyline goes, and if Vinick allows the "religious right" to shape his campaign down the homestretch. It might be interesting (not a spoiler, speculation), if he does so, and that ends up being the deciding factor, win or lose. Then either Vinick is indebted to "the base," or he gets a hell of an "I told you so."

[jsmeeker]

I think it is safe to say, In the real world, Arnold Vinick would never get the nomination.

The character has backslid since winning the nomination, but some of that is the difference between the primary process and RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Similarly, post-nomination, Santos has been much less the outsider.

It will be interesting to see where that storyline goes, and if Vinick allows the "religious right" to shape his campaign down the homestretch. It might be interesting (not a spoiler, speculation), if he does so, and that ends up being the deciding factor, win or lose. Then either Vinick is indebted to "the base," or he gets a hell of an "I told you so."

You are probably right. But still, I have to credit the show for doing a nice job with NOT portraying a Republican as a total a** hat. Actually, I think the show as a whole during it's entire run, while certainly left leaning, has been pretty fair to the right.

[Meathead]

You are probably right. But still, I have to credit the show for doing a nice job with NOT portraying a Republican as a total a** hat. Actually, I think the show as a whole during it's entire run, while certainly left leaning, has been pretty fair to the right.

Funny, I have the exact opposite opinion. The only Republican who ever got even a shred of credibility before Vinnick initially came to the cast was when Emily Procter played Ainsley Hayes...but even then, they made her out to be a blond ditz with no concept of feminism. The guy they had run against Bartlet for re-election was never even on screen & he was portrayed as an idiot. The white house foot soldiers repeatedly call down & condemn Republican leadership. I doubt that there is a lot of "love thy enemy" in the real White House, but what we see on the WW is far from what I would call fair to the right. Of course, I would not expect anything less from a show that was created by Aaron Sorkin and headlined by Martin Sheen.

The only thing that the show seemingly did successfully was to demonstrate that even a liberal democratic president can make some tough "right wing" decisions when he has to. Bartlet spends more time in the situation room than he does the oval office, but that is what makes for good TV. I do not believe that holds true in real life though...at least based on the last democratic president.

[busyba]

What made the show "fair" wasn't that it portrayed Repubs in a good light, it was that it showed that the Dems were just as stupid.

Sure, Jed Bartlet was portrayed as the greatest president this side of David Palmer, but everyone else on both sides was given a pretty thorough list of foibles and failings.

[Squeak]

The only Republican who ever got even a shred of credibility before Vinnick initially came to the cast was when Emily Procter played Ainsley Hayes...but even then, they made her out to be a blond ditz with no concept of feminism.

I disagree with that. She was by no means a ditz -- she was extremely intelligent, and handled herself well. Was she overwhelmed at first by being in the White House? Sure, but they all were at first.

Also, she knew exactly what feminism was -- she just believed in a different form of it. In fact, they made a point of explaning that in one of the episodes.

[Meathead]

I disagree with that. She was by no means a ditz -- she was extremely intelligent, and handled herself well. Was she overwhelmed at first by being in the White House? Sure, but they all were at first.

Also, she knew exactly what feminism was -- she just believed in a different form of it. In fact, they made a point of explaining that in one of the episodes.

Oh, I agree that she was probably the smartest person in the white house when she was there, but think about the repeated times when people refused to take her seriously. It all started when they put her in the steam pipe trunk distribution closet & continued throughout her stay. Now, most of the disdain for her was probably because she was a Republican, but you repeatedly saw instances where she was dismissed with a "be on your way blondie...the grown ups are talking" manner.

And I remember the feminism episode. It had to do with Sam complimenting her on her attire that day & some bull dyke feminazi temp berating her for letting him give her a compliment. While I know she had a concept of feminism, she did not have the same definition of it as the others in the WH & dem party did. Or perhaps she did & she just realized that a sleek dress & high heels is a LOT sexier than cargo pants, Birkenstocks, and a shaved head. Either way, the probelm was that while she was one of the smartest people in the WH, she was not cast as this forceful & overwhelming presence that characters like CJ, Kate, and Abbey were written with.

It all goes back to my point that Republicans were NEVER given a fair shake in this series.

[edc]

Oh, I agree that she was probably the smartest person in the white house when she was there, but think about the repeated times when people refused to take her seriously. Either way, the probelm was that while she was one of the smartest people in the WH, she was not cast as this forceful & overwhelming presence that characters like CJ, Kate, and Abbey were written with.

It all goes back to my point that Republicans were NEVER given a fair shake in this series.

To name two who were given a fair shake (IMHO):

Cliff Calley - Not only was Calley shown as a forceful Republican presence, he eschewed politicial power in favor of saving the butt of Leo McGarry because it was *the right thing to do.* He was brought back into the White House because no one else could pick up the pieces Josh left behind. Indeed, the character could've been Josh on the other side.

Joe Quincy - Shown as a brilliant lawyer - as smart as anyone in the room. Also shown as immensely loyal, and at odds when those loyalties were divided. In the end, he does the right thing, because it is what his conscience tells him to do, not because he is ordered by his boss, POTUS.

[iceturkee]

no ands ifs or buts about it, ainsley hayes was my favorite recurring character on the west wing. i'm soooooooo glad emily will be back for the finale, even if she gets 2 minutes of screen time!!!!

[markz]

no ands ifs or buts about it, ainsley hayes was my favorite recurring character on the west wing. i'm soooooooo glad emily will be back for the finale, even if she gets 2 minutes of screen time!!!!

Ainsley was definitely one of my favorite characters on the show! Can't wait to see her again!

[jsmeeker]

Oh, I agree that she was probably the smartest person in the white house when she was there, but think about the repeated times when people refused to take her seriously. It all started when they put her in the steam pipe trunk distribution closet & continued throughout her stay. Now, most of the disdain for her was probably because she was a Republican, but you repeatedly saw instances where she was dismissed with a "be on your way blondie...the grown ups are talking" manner.




I think all of that says more about the people who did that than it does about the person it was done too. Was she shown as serious as C.J. No. Why? She was deputy counsel. She wasn't a SENIOR advisor to the President.

They DID respect her. Leo would not have brought her if he didn't. Do you remember the scene with Ainsely talking to her friends about her interview? They were ripping on Bartlett and the admininistartion and she got really pissed off about it and told them to show some respect.

She was show in a very positive light.

[newsposter]

she got the office in the boiler pipe room right?

[busyba]

All the low level newbies got that room.

(or maybe it was just the republican ones.... but dwelling in caves should be second nature to them. :D)

[Meathead]

To name two who were given a fair shake (IMHO):

Cliff Calley

Joe Quincy
On the flipside...

Cliff Calley - Was portrayed as a spy (for invading Donna's privacy) & a blackmailer when Donna lied about her diary in her deposition & he threatened to charge her with perjury. He was then painted as "not really THAT bad of a guy" when he aved Leo's ass (side note...remember, the writers had a shady Republican Senator who stole Leo's private medical records in the first place)

Joe Quincy - Nice guy at first, but then he is seen as the guy who single handedly forced the VP to resign

The problem is even when the writers are trying to make a Republican look good, they still come off as evil.

[Meathead]

All the low level newbies got that room.

(or maybe it was just the republican ones.... but dwelling in caves should be second nature to them. :D)
Not all of us are like Karl Rove. Some of us are actually daywalkers that are immune to the deadly rays of sunlight! :cool:

[busyba]

On the flipside...

Cliff Calley - Was portrayed as a spy (for invading Donna's privacy) & a blackmailer when Donna lied about her diary in her deposition & he threatened to charge her with perjury.
My recollection was that he recognized that she was committing perjury and was trying to save her ass. Somewhat more noble than you seem to be implying.


Joe Quincy - Nice guy at first, but then he is seen as the guy who single handedly forced the VP to resign
He behaved in a principled manner and did what was right. The end result was largely irrelevant. It could even be argued that bringing the issue to light and having the VP resign rather than let the whole thing explode when the mistress' book got published would have been far more damaging to the administration, so he actually did them a favor.


The problem is even when the writers are trying to make a Republican look good, they still come off as evil.
Well, the writers only have so much to work with... they can't perform miracles! :D

[jsmeeker]

I agree with busby here. Cliff DID "save" Donna. He knew she was committing perjury, but didn't push it. Everything said about Joe is right. Remember, C.J. is the one that started him down the road. He didn't go looking for something. When he found what he found, he put it together. C.J. put it togther. Everyone knew it was a bad thing that the Vice President did.

[DevdogAZ]

Also, don't forget how Ainsley got her job in the first place. She completely "manhandled" Sam on that Sunday morning talk show. Everyone knew how smart she was, that's why they hired her.

As for how the show has treated the right, aside from the characters I have always appreciated how they've dealt with the issues. Although the Bartlett administration usually made the decisions that a democratic president would make, they usually came up with rational arguments for both sides and usually had decent discussions between the cast members about which position was the correct one. Rather than simply dismissing the other side like many left-leaning shows do, WW has always had an interest in fairly presenting all side of the issue, even if it's a foregone conclusion as to what decision the characters will make in the end.

I really liked this episode and will be sad to see the show go. I was surprised to see Patricia Heaton "fire" herself. I wonder if that were to happen in real life if the operative's career would essentially be over or if the President, assuming that candidate won, would be able to give them a WW job despite that person being the public scapegoat?

As to the Josh/Donna thing, while I haven't really cared one way or the other if they ever got together, I think it's about time they got on with it. I saw the whole thing as Donna realizing that she liked Josh but wasn't sure it was appropriate. That's why she brought it up with Will and he told her to go for it. Then she made the move by sliding Josh the key. Josh, on the other hand, has always denied himself the thoughts about Donna and is still stuck in that pattern. This is why he seemed so stunned when she slid the key, but don't forget that when the other staffer offered to take the key to Donna, Josh did try to tell them that he'd take it. It will be interesting to see if Donna takes Josh's "deer-in-the-headlights" look as him not being interested or if they'll get past the miscommunication. In any other show that wasn't about to end, there would be no question that the miscommunication would then push the characters farther apart for at least another season, but in this show they might be able to deal with it semi-realistically and let them talk it out fairly soon.

[edc]

The problem is even when the writers are trying to make a Republican look good, they still come off as evil.

Evil is a bit overstated. "West Wing" has never been as simplistic as the black-hat/ white-hat of "Commander-in-Chief."

Further, every single one of the leads has been shown to have character flaws. Jed Bartlet, who is clearly the hero and moral center of the piece, lied to the country, and ordered the killing of of foreign leader without provocation.

[busyba]

Further, every single one of the leads has been shown to have character flaws. Jed Bartlet, who is clearly the hero and moral center of the piece, [...] ordered the killing of of foreign leader without provocation.
While the appropriateness of his actions concerning the killing of Sharif are open to debate, if I recall correctly they were not wholly without provocation. There was solid evidence that he was directly involved with terrorist activities aimed against the US and its interests.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Pretty sad that I had to look up MILF....

... and I did it at WORK! :eek:

Sorry bout that chief! I thought MILF was pretty universal. I hope no one walked by your desk at that moment! :eek:

[IJustLikeTivo]

she got the office in the boiler pipe room right?

Steam trunk distribution venue, not boiler room. ;-)

[drew2k]

To name two who were given a fair shake (IMHO):

Cliff Calley - ...

Joe Quincy - ...

Did we ever learn what happened to these two or why they are no longer working in the West Wing?

What about the smart-rich-and-connected male intern (? or was he an assistant?) that worked with Josh?

Maybe we're supposed to believe they're still in the West Wing universe but are just not seen, kind of like the First Lady ...

[DevdogAZ]

Did we ever learn what happened to these two or why they are no longer working in the West Wing?

What about the smart-rich-and-connected male intern (? or was he an assistant?) that worked with Josh?

Maybe we're supposed to believe they're still in the West Wing universe but are just not seen, kind of like the First Lady ...
Not sure about Joe Quincy but Cliff Calley was never an WW employee. He worked for a congressman or some committee or conservative organization. I presume Joe Quincy is still in the WH counsel's office. Josh's intern probably ended his semester and went on to grad school or something.

[edc]

Not sure about Joe Quincy but Cliff Calley was never an WW employee. He worked for a congressman or some committee or conservative organization. I presume Joe Quincy is still in the WH counsel's office. Josh's intern probably ended his semester and went on to grad school or something.

"Mandyville" (the location WW characters disappear to when they are seemingly put in Witness Protection ;) is a much beloved West Wing tradition dating back to season one.

Cliff Calley reappeared at the end of last season, and CJ "forced" him to replace Josh. He was around for three episodes (last: "6.19: Ninety Miles Away") and has been absent since.

Nothing happened to Joe Quincy, he just hasn't been seen. The producers probably wanted to leave things open in case they could get Matthew Perry back for a guest spot.

Ryan Pierce (the intern in question) had a going away party in 5.19, "Talking Points."

[drew2k]

Thanks. I knew somewhere in the cobwebs of my mind that Cliff Calley was working in the West Wing, but I couldn't recall exactly how. I just remember him being very uncomfortable about it because he had to go up against the Republican leadership to promote Bartlet's agenda.

I also don't remember the intern going away party, but at least they explained one of the disappearances!

"Mandyville". :up: :D

[Mr. Soze]

The very start of this episode annoyed the heck out of me. I guess that after all this time I am just tired of the smart young things fast-talking, fast-walking schtick. When Josh and Donna kissed, I said "about f'ing time", but when he didn't close the deal later, someone needed to confiscate his Dude Card. (Thanks Barney).

It is quite apparent that Santos will win (was there ever really a doubt?), but it's really sad to see Leo. OTOH, it was nice NOT to see the hideously annoying Janeane Garafolo, but that pleasure was shortlived by the introduction of the annoying woman from the RNC who they were lining up to shiv Bruno.

[newsposter]

Steam trunk distribution venue, not boiler room. ;-)

How about hot air pass through? Oh wait, that's the entire building