Survivor 2/23/06 SPOILERS

[Martha]

I am truly amazed that Terry found that immunity idol. The clues were pretty clear - Bruce was there 6 days in a row and didn't find it?

This is one messed up group of Survivors.

Is it mean that I want to see Cerie spend a couple of days on Exile Island? I predict she would come back begging to be voted off! :D

[vertigo235]

Don't know who it was, but someone called where the immunity ido was placed on the first night in the first thread.

Good call whoever you were.

[ufo4sale]

The only reason he found it was because he was given a third clue. It's under a rock buried in the ground.

[Amnesia]

So what's going to happen the next time someone gets sent there? Will they get an even more obvious clue to that same location?

Did Terry hide the signs of his digging? Maybe he should have made a fake idol and hidden it back in the box...

[MasterOfPuppets]

Terry would have to have suffered some severe brain damage to have not covered his tracks...
Making a fake idol would be a nice option, but it'd be rather difficult to whip up a realistic looking one with his machette, flint and sand...
Also, if it is ever found out by the others that Terry has found the idol, they should vote him out immediately so he can't keep the idol forever...
The underground, under the rock, under the "why" clues seem to have been fairly obvious and became that way too quickly IMO...

[scottykempf]

Misty had the "WHY" clue. She and Bruce could have figured out that it was that tree, and spent the entire time they were there digging all around that tree. They may or may not have found it without the "Under a rock" clue. What else is there to do on that little island for 3 days (Misty) or 6 days in a row (Bruce)?????

[Idearat]

Someone here did call the "why". The rock clues did help, I don't know how far down I'd dig without that additional clue. (I'd probably be still digging under the water barrel)

Still lots of annoying people, so I do lots of FFWDing to skip past idiots whining on the beach and making plans for the final four. I'll enjoy it more when they boot a few more people off.

The water balance challenge was Ok. Thought it was a bad sign though that in addition to stocking every season with a good share of anorexic white girls that they now are buiding challenges around them.

[ccouger]

Someone here did call the "why". The rock clues did help, I don't know how far down I'd dig without that additional clue. (I'd probably be still digging under the water barrel)

Still lots of annoying people, so I do lots of FFWDing to skip past idiots whining on the beach and making plans for the final four. I'll enjoy it more when they boot a few more people off.

The water balance challenge was Ok. Thought it was a bad sign though that in addition to stocking every season with a good share of anorexic white girls that they now are buiding challenges around them.

So few of the people seem of any interest this time to me. Other than Bruce, Cerie, and Dan, the rest I feel either don't present much personality or are irritating and overly dramatic. You want to watch a show where the people are likeable, or compelling, or at least there is something about their personality that draws you in. I don't find that with this bunch at all. The extra gimmick of exhile could already be pointless to some extent now with the idol already found, and the audience knowing about it. I've watched every Survivor since the first season and always stuck with it to see who wins, but I realize that for the first time I don't feel very interested in this one, because the people are not likeable or interesting enough for me to stick with it for much longer.

The only reason to vote out Ruth Marie was because she's older than Sally. That changed my feelings for that team right there. Ruth Marie seems in much better physical shape to me, actually, with more obvious muscle definition in her back and shoulders, and Sally is bone thin already and will lose even more weight. Jeff said Sally dominated in the challenge, but Ruth Marie was sitting in a swing the whole time, what could she do to take a more active part? Ruth Marie almost won the challenge of the wrestling match. Sally lost the spear. So the vote out Ruth Marie. It makes me not want to root for anyone on that team.

I'll hope for Cerie to hang on as the underdog and only older woman left, and Dan as the one contestant left with some obvious integrity. The rest, I really don't feel that I care if they get a million dollars or not. I never thought I'd feel this way about a Survivor season! I really liked last season, with the varied mix of people, but this season so far is not holding my attention.

[MarkofT]

Ruth Marie almost won the challenge of the wrestling match. Sally lost the spear. So the vote out Ruth Marie. It makes me not want to root for anyone on that team.I wouldn't say that Ruth Marie had almost won the wrestling challenge. The guy behind her was just following along, letting her carry they heavy bag and then when they were close he tossed her to his mat like a sack of feathers. I think Sally is probably at this point in the game then Ruth Marie. They probably chose the lightest person to sit on the swing so they wouldn't have to carry back so much water.

[ccouger]

They probably chose the lightest person to sit on the swing so they wouldn't have to carry back so much water.

Of course they picked the lightest person for the swing. But it didn't give Ruth Marie a role to play in that challenge other than just sitting there. As far as the previous wrestling challenge goes, she was tackled very easily for the loss, yes, but at least she was there and putting in effort, not laying in the sand as someone too weak to compete.

I haven't seen anything from Ruth Marie's performance or attitude in challenges or in camp that shows she was not as competitive or useful or valuable to the team. They just chose someone younger (and thin to the point of extremely bony shoulders and thin arms) in keeping Sally. I think Sally might very easily switch sides and loyalties and align with others if she makes it into the final tribal merge. We'll see if she decides to eventually stay loyal to the alliance for not voting her out at this point and for not punishing her over the spear loss.

[LifeIsABeach]

The only reason he found it was because he was given a third clue. It's under a rock buried in the ground.

The way I understood it Bruce did have this clue. Wasn't Terry's new clue "It isn't here or here"? If so, then Bruce should have found it.

Meanwhile, no way should his tribe try to vote out Terry if they know he has the idol. It can be very useful after the merge. Supposed they go in 5-5. Terry knows he will get all 5 Casaya votes. He just has to tell his tribe he has the idol and for one of them to vote for him and the other 4 for someone on Casaya. He would then lose the vote 6-4, bring out the idol, and give his team the 5-4 advantage in people.

[heySkippy]

The hiding place of the idol 100% guaranteed it wouldn't be found without the aid of a certain number of clues. That kind of stinks as it means Misty and Bruce (on his first trip at least) had zero chance short of random digging on a large scale without a shovel. I think the "it isn't here or here" clue with accompanying areas marked on the map, was given to Bruce on his first trip.

[TomK]

Don't know who it was, but someone called where the immunity ido was placed on the first night in the first thread.

Good call whoever you were.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3740369&&#post3740369

[pmyers]

Did they show 4 clues for the idol last night? I believe so. So Bruce must have gotten the "burried in the ground" clue last time he was on the island. Can't believe he didn't put it all together.

I don't know his name....but that guy that is in the alliance with shane and crew...he is one arrogant a-hole: "what would you do if Bruce, Shane, or I got voted out?" geesh!

[dtle]

I'm surprised the MB decided to show Terry getting the idol. But I think it could mean only one thing. Terry sooner or later will tell his tribemates about it, and the discussions about it will be unavoidable.

[AccidenT]

Did they show 4 clues for the idol last night? I believe so. So Bruce must have gotten the "burried in the ground" clue last time he was on the island. Can't believe he didn't put it all together.


They did show 4 clues, but I think Misty got the first one, Bruce got that + the 2nd and 3rd and Terry got all 4.

[jlb]

Making a fake idol would be a nice option, but it'd be rather difficult to whip up a realistic looking one with his machette, flint and sand...


IIRC, there were a bunch of skulls on the Island, right. He could easily have made an idol with a skull, brush, sticks, etc.

I also agree with the thought that if someone finds out he has it, they should vote Terry "out" right away so he can't hold it forever. A strong player with the idol that can be used "through the final 4", would be very dangerous.

[MitchO]

Maybe it was the extreme nature of the close up, but that idol did not look like something you can just carry around in your back pocket.

I'm assuming he's smart enough to think of this, but I'm hoping Terry had the forethought to rebury the box and broken glass ... preferably somewhere other than the original spot.

[jkindley]

I like how Dan kept his word. I have always wondered why people back stab so much in this game. Most people vote with the majority and break agreements with others in the process. Dan showed that he was trust worthy last night, by not voting for Ruth Marie. He didn't screw over his main alliance at all, and he didn't break his word. If more people played this way, they wouldn't find them selves at the final TC being spit on by the jury.

[verdugan]

Remember that the 2nd time that Bruce was on exhile Island it was raning the entire time. He even said that he didn't have any time at all to look for the idol.

[MitchO]

I like how Dan kept his word. I have always wondered why people back stab so much in this game. Most people vote with the majority and break agreements with others in the process. Dan showed that he was trust worthy last night, by not voting for Ruth Marie. He didn't screw over his main alliance at all, and he didn't break his word. If more people played this way, they wouldn't find them selves at the final TC being spit on by the jury.

Yes, but frankly it was irrelevant, and he knew it. She's not on the jury, her opinion isn't going to affect anything. He knew that she would still be going home, since he knew damn well it would be a 4-2 vote. I'd have a better opinion of his keeping his word if it wasn't pretty much hollow and unaffecting.

[pendragn]

We were also surprised they showed him finding the idol. It must lead up to drama down the road. I was trying to think of a good way for him to cover his tracks, but each successive person will get the same clues he did, and I doubt he'll be able to cover his tracks there enough to convince them he was never there. My guess is that the next person tries to find the idol, sees it's gone and questions him about it.

tk

[stark]

My guess is that the next person tries to find the idol, sees it's gone and questions him about it.
All he has to say is that it was already gone. Bruce is on the other tribe, so there is no one to call him on it.

[pendragn]

All he has to say is that it was already gone. Bruce is on the other tribe, so there is no one to call him on it.
Ooo, good point. In the past I think they've said it will be put back after it's used. I assume they'll put it someplace different. If so, won't it be easy to find do to the ground being disturbed.

When he found it, didn't it say it could be used through the final four? I guess I thought previously it had to be used before the final four.

tk

[dumbunny]

I wouldn't say that Ruth Marie had almost won the wrestling challenge. The guy behind her was just following along, letting her carry they heavy bag and then when they were close he tossed her to his mat like a sack of feathers.

I think she would still have won if she had played optimally. All she needed to do was shovel-throw the bag onto her mat after Bobby grabbed her. Bobby wouldn't have been able to retrieve the bag without putting himself in danger.

[pmyers]

Ruth Marie had the body of a 20 year old and the walk of a 90 year old...

[JFriday]

I can't beleive in the challenge they took there time dumping those last buckets. They were ahead when they got there and took to much time.

[TomK]

Ruth Marie just looked tired all the time. She wasn't strong at all but Sally,at least, did well in the last challenge.

I think Terry should have made a fake idol so the next person could have found it and then felt smug while trying to keep it a secret.

[cherry ghost]

Ruth Marie just looked tired all the time. She wasn't strong at all but Sally,at least, did well in the last challenge.



Sally lost the fishing spear. The end.

[Donbadabon]

Ooo, good point. In the past I think they've said it will be put back after it's used. I assume they'll put it someplace different. If so, won't it be easy to find do to the ground being disturbed.

Unless they have multiple idols already hidden around Exile Island.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I think Terry should have made a fake idol so the next person could have found it and then felt smug while trying to keep it a secret.
Maybe he did!

[TomK]

Sally lost the fishing spear. The end.


I forgot about that. They'll rightfully blame her when they die from starvation.

[scottykempf]

I think Terry should have made a fake idol so the next person could have found it and then felt smug while trying to keep it a secret.

Jeff: "The tribe has spoken. Now the only question is: Did you find the Immunity Idol?"

Evictee: "Actually, Jeff, (whips out fake idol), I DID. EAT IT BYATICHES!!!!!!"

Jeff: "Ummmmmm, yeeeeeaaahhhhh. That's not the Immunity Idol, that's just a bunch of sticks and rocks tied together. I'm sorry to say, the tribe has voted you out."

Evictee then walks off feeling like a complete tool. LOL

[Donbadabon]

If that happens, that will be the greatest moment in Survivor history.

[ParadiseDave]

How do we know they didn't show Terry finding the fake idol that Bruce planted? :D

[Rolf]

We were also surprised they showed him finding the idol. It must lead up to drama down the road.
tk

My guess is that Terry will be a big target if/when they do a pre-merge tribe shuffle. Maybe the idol will come into play then. Terry is fairly secure in his tribe right now. The only way the idol would be used before the merge would be if there was a tribe shuffle and Terry was seperated from his alliance, or if his alliance turned on him, which won't happen for at least a couple of weeks.

If the idol wasn't going to be used in the near future, they wouldn't have shown Terry finding it. Knowing the idol is already gone takes the drama (what little there was) out of watching whoever goes to Exile Island next.

[Havana Brown]

Jeff: "The tribe has spoken. Now the only question is: Did you find the Immunity Idol?"

Evictee: "Actually, Jeff, (whips out fake idol), I DID. EAT IT BYATICHES!!!!!!"


That made me chuckle.

I can't believe how much everyone idolizes Terry. They all admit they can't function without him. Must make him feel pretty good.

[HDTivoDesire]

I laughed for 5 minutes at the sequence where the tribe talked about their new outhouse.

Bobby: "I need to drop a deuce."

Bobby: "I just lost 10 pounds."

I know those aren't the exact quotes.

[ParadiseDave]

Yeah, and the looks from his tribe mates. How DARE he use an outhouse as a toilet! :rolleyes:

Jeff: Here is your reward - a woodshed. With toilet paper and a toilet seat. :)

[heySkippy]

Bobby is a grade-A jerk for that. Having a dry place to store things would be much more valuable than a dry place to poop.

[IJustLikeTivo]

Bobby is a grade-A jerk for that. Having a dry place to store things would be much more valuable than a dry place to poop.

Clearly you never heard what Wilber Mills said about African Americans. :eek: :eek:

[DLiquid]

Speaking of fake idols, they really did make sure the exile idol looked legit. They stored it in a wooden box, inside of glass that must be broken to get to it, and it was a shrunken head just like the real idol. Anyone who knows it was done this way should be able to identify a fake idol immediately. So now is really the only time a fake idol would work, when everyone is still clueless. I just hope Terry thought of it, or that Burnett pulled him aside and gave him the idea. :D

[marksman]

Maybe it was the extreme nature of the close up, but that idol did not look like something you can just carry around in your back pocket.

I'm assuming he's smart enough to think of this, but I'm hoping Terry had the forethought to rebury the box and broken glass ... preferably somewhere other than the original spot.

I would have just chucked it in the ocean...

[Chapper1]

Yeah, and the looks from his tribe mates. How DARE he use an outhouse as a toilet! :rolleyes:

Jeff: Here is your reward - a woodshed. With toilet paper and a toilet seat. :)

I didn't get this either. I mean, if you have a private place to do your bizness, why would you insist on using it for wood??

But based on the previews for next week, it looks as if the "bathroom" may not make it out alive.

[stark]

I can't beleive in the challenge they took there time dumping those last buckets. They were ahead when they got there and took to much time.
They didn't think that they had the last set of buckets. They knew they had until Terry and Dan made it back before they could go again, so they might as well take their time and not spill any water.

If they would have needed another run to get water, it could have made the difference in their favor.

[cancermatt]

Enjoyed the finding of ind. immunity idol, but I'm really not excited or pulling for any contestant , which stinks. I would cheer for the yankee girl who everyone seems to think had a boob job, just to spite the other tribemates now that she's been officially called out on not working, it would be nice revenge to see her win, as long as she keeps her mouth shut :) Talk about annoying!

Anyway, I hope Shane reverts to being crazy, we need more drama :)

[robinreale]

What will happen when the next person goes to Exile Island, will they still get a clue??

[Rob Helmerichs]

What will happen when the next person goes to Exile Island, will they still get a clue??
They'd almost have to, otherwise they'd know it's been found.

Of course, the clues now will point in an entirely different direction!

[TeeSee]

I haven't seen anything from Ruth Marie's performance or attitude in challenges or in camp that shows she was not as competitive or useful or valuable to the team. They just chose someone younger (and thin to the point of extremely bony shoulders and thin arms) in keeping Sally. I think Sally might very easily switch sides and loyalties and align with others if she makes it into the final tribal merge. We'll see if she decides to eventually stay loyal to the alliance for not voting her out at this point and for not punishing her over the spear loss.As Ruth, I haven't seen anything that shows Sally not to be a valuable member, either. She did lose the spear, but I think people are being kind of harsh about that. Her losing it wasn't for lack of trying. At least she was out there in an effort to get food for the tribe. Sure, she screwed up, but one bone-headed mistake doesn't permanently brand her a liability. And yes she is thin, but Ruth didn't appear a clearly better physical athlete by any means. As a matter of fact, she seemed more of a "girly-girl" to me, as opposed to Sally's rather tomboyishness. Sally just seems more of a gamer to me. That and her being half Ruth's age would make her more desirable as a tribe mate than Ruth, IMO. I wouldn't have any problem keeping either, but if one had to go, I think they made the right choice.

[brianric]

IIRC, there were a bunch of skulls on the Island, right. He could easily have made an idol with a skull, brush, sticks, etc.

I also agree with the thought that if someone finds out he has it, they should vote Terry "out" right away so he can't hold it forever. A strong player with the idol that can be used "through the final 4", would be very dangerous.
If they all vote for Terry, then Terry decides who is voted out.

[Rob Helmerichs]

If they all vote for Terry, then Terry decides who is voted out.
If they were REALLY clever, they'd split the vote so that the person they really wants gets two votes, and Terry gets all the rest (except Terry's, of course)...

Of course, people on Survivor have NEVER been really clever when thinking in groups.

Then again, human beings tend to be not terribly clever when thinking in groups...

[newsposter]

Ok where is he hiding this thing? It's not exactly tiny enough for a shirt pocket. and of course he will be using it soon or they wouldn't have shown us. cant wait to see where they rehide it or if they choose another one.

Anyone notice (i forget who) that he was spilling more water than needed to be spilled and probably could have won the challenge if he was more careful.

[Rob Helmerichs]

Ok where is he hiding this thing? It's not exactly tiny enough for a shirt pocket.
He could always stuff it down the front of his pants, and kill two birds with one stone...

"Hey, ladies, is this an idol down my pants, or are you just happy to see me?"

[marksman]

I always wondered where they would hide it too, but it looks like they all have bags so he could just hide it in his bag. I would assume.

[bicker]

Also, if it is ever found out by the others that Terry has found the idol, they should vote him out immediately so he can't keep the idol forever...Do we know / do they know what the rules say about what happens when someone uses an immunity idol AFTER the votes are revealed? Could it be that Terry will be able to select who goes home?

[bicker]

I'm surprised the MB decided to show Terry getting the idol. But I think it could mean only one thing. Terry sooner or later will tell his tribemates about it, and the discussions about it will be unavoidable.Or he makes it to the Final Four without ever needing to use it.

[cherry ghost]

Do we know / do they know what the rules say about what happens when someone uses an immunity idol AFTER the votes are revealed? Could it be that Terry will be able to select who goes home?


The person with the 2nd most votes goes home.

[AJRitz]

Theoretically, Terry could also use the idol to bust an alliance that he thought had gotten off onto the wrong track. The alliance, over Terry's objections, decides to get rid of someone that Terry wants to keep. Terry keeps his mouth shut, lets the vote take place, casts his own vote for the leader of the "rebellious" faction of the alliance that was willing to go against him, then pulls out the idol to save the person that the alliance has voted out, and allowing his own vote to select the new victim (assuming that he's made some arrangement in advance with the person he wanted to keep around).

[Chapper1]

I'm surprised the MB decided to show Terry getting the idol. But I think it could mean only one thing. Terry sooner or later will tell his tribemates about it, and the discussions about it will be unavoidable.

Or he makes it to the Final Four without ever needing to use it.

Interesting scenario. Could he bargain with it to use it to save someone else within his own alliance after a vote? Or does the person who got voted off need to have possession of it beforehand?

[Amnesia]

Terry (...) then pulls out the idol to save the person that the alliance has voted outWhy would anyone want to do that?

It's all well and good to want to save someone, but at the cost of your own immunity? I don't think so...

[pmyers]

Bobby is a grade-A jerk for that. Having a dry place to store things would be much more valuable than a dry place to poop.

I'm not so sure how water tight that outhouse is. I swear that when they were showing it that I could clearly see that it was wet inside. I think its a waste to use it as a storage place for firewood.....although maybe they are having a very hard time keeping firewoodb dry so it is a big concern. I don't know, but I'm not willing to call Bobby a jerk based on what I saw.

[sushikitten]

So, when the person gets sent to exile island straight from the challenge, they must get their belongings shuffled off to them, because when Terry came back to the immunity challenge, he had more clothes and was carrying a bag. I noticed specifically because I was wondering where he was going to hide the idol when all he had on when he got to the island was shorts.

[newsposter]

And where is he hiding even now? I find it hard to believe there's any privacy even in a manbag.

I see you got a new "do" jen...should be popular at the gas pump!

[KyleLC]

I see you got a new "do" jen...should be popular at the gas pump!I think it was new in 1991.

[bruinfan]

What else is there to do on that little island for 3 days (Misty) or 6 days in a row (Bruce)?????

I don't think they are on the island for more than 1 night. They leave after the reward challenge, and are back for the immunity challenge. At the most, 2 nights. 40-48 hrs, at most. Depends on the timing of the immunity challenge. Do they do it Day 2 or the same day as tribal council? So at least 20-24 hrs, at most 40-48. Definitely not 3 consecutive days.

[nyny523]

I have to say, I love this show and have yet to become emotionally invested in it this season. Normally, there is a team or at least an individual I am pulling for, but this time? Yeesh - I got nothin'/no one.

All I can think is that even with creative editing, this group is just yuck. I hope it gets better, soon...

[fmowry]

I don't think they should use the toilet paper for its intended use. They should use it to start fires. :rolleyes:

Frank

[pmyers]

I don't think they should use the toilet paper for its intended use. They should use it to start fires. :rolleyes:

Frank

LOL.....then use the outhouse wood for kindling. the toilet seat would make a nice picture frame...

[KRS]

Why can't they store wood in the outhouse....AND....use it to drop a deuce?
Does it really matter if their firewood is near the faint odor of turd? Heck, Febreeze is a sponsor - they could use a bottle of that to freshen up the towels after somebody breaks off a table leg!


So I guess that idol people claimed to see stuck in the side of a tree at minute 21 of the last episode was not the real idol after all. Or was it.......!

[newsposter]

what's his name is truly classy talking that way in front of the girls. (big rolleyes)

[bobsbizzy]

If that happens, that will be the greatest moment in Survivor history.

No, Johnny Fairplay still owns that. :D