A Lost episodes 1&2 question. Spoil away!

[cheesesteak]

(And by "Spoil Away!", I mean include info from up until the last aired episode)

I rewatched episode 1 and half of episode 2 last night. Have we seen anything since then that explains the movement in the jungle, the loud noise and whatever happened to the pilot? If you say it's the black cloud, I say "B.S., my good man!" based on what we've seen the black cloud do so far.

[sonnik]

They make the same sound, IIRC. (Reference Mr. Eko's - centric episode, also the end of Season 1 where Locke almost got pulled under).

And also, I believe they have both been referenced as the "Security System".

[Paperboy2003]

I just posted this in another thread and thought it might belong here:

One thing I did pick up by rewatching the episode is the scene where the guy got sucked into the engine. I slow mo'd it because I wanted to see if they thing swooping down would be obivous (and it was). The thing that I picked up was the fact that the guy was actually pushed INTO THE ENGINE by a little wisp of black smoke as well.

I might've been aided by my 65" HD tv, but I'd have to believe it's visible on any HD set. If you look closely after Locke's arm moves across the screen and right before the guy gets sucked in, you can see the wisp of smoke push him in.....

[crowfan]

This has been discussed by the producers in the official Lost podcast. I'll spoilerize it just in case:

The black cloud looks into you and decides how to react to you based on what it sees. It reacted differently to Locke and Eko than to anyone else.FWIW, I am pretty sure that it *was* the black smoke security system. At least, that's what makes the most sense to me.

[NoThru22]

Of course it was the black smoke security system. They've established it rips trees out of the ground as it rushes towards someone. Also, as previously pointed out, the sounds are a dead giveaway. Unless there's something else on the island that moves trees and makes the same exact sounds.

[mask2343]

Dont' forget the black cloud swooping in and out of the scenes of the crash. The engine exploded because the black cloud swooped down and hit it.

[flyers088]

last nights episodes were not new. Man I am further behind with this show than I thought.

[jeff125va]

I absolutely agree about the sounds being the same, from the "security system," but I don't think that what we've learned about it since then necessarily confirms that it was the same thing that was pounding on the cockpit when Jack, Charlie and Kate (IIRC) were in there, and/or who killed the pilot and left him up in the tree.

[joits]

(And by "Spoil Away!", I mean include info from up until the last aired episode)

I rewatched episode 1 and half of episode 2 last night. Have we seen anything since then that explains the movement in the jungle, the loud noise and whatever happened to the pilot? If you say it's the black cloud, I say "B.S., my good man!" based on what we've seen the black cloud do so far.

first time watching the show, i thought the noise in the jungle sounded like a dinosaur, it wasn't till i caught it on DVD that the noise was more mechanical than anything.


One thing I did pick up by rewatching the episode is the scene where the guy got sucked into the engine. I slow mo'd it because I wanted to see if they thing swooping down would be obivous (and it was). The thing that I picked up was the fact that the guy was actually pushed INTO THE ENGINE by a little wisp of black smoke as well.

i never realized that until i read the trivia section on tv.com. but when i re-rented the dvd, i tried to see it, but i guess i don't have a HD tv so i cannot seem to catch it.

[cwoody222]

I'm still not convinced it was the smoke that blew up the engine in the first episode. And yes, I've seen the HD video online and on-screen.


Even if you take it from a story-line view... the smoke has never come out of the jungle, it doesn't move like that, it doesn't attack unless provoked, and it doesn't attack indirectly like blowing up engines.

It's out of character for the smoke to behave like that.

[DLiquid]

first time watching the show, i thought the noise in the jungle sounded like a dinosaurHow do you know what a dinosaur sounds like? ;)

[jradford]

I'm still not convinced it was the smoke that blew up the engine in the first episode. And yes, I've seen the HD video online and on-screen.


Even if you take it from a story-line view... the smoke has never come out of the jungle, it doesn't move like that, it doesn't attack unless provoked, and it doesn't attack indirectly like blowing up engines.

It's out of character for the smoke to behave like that.
I agree. And I have seen it all, as well.

[jeff125va]

I'm still not convinced it was the smoke that blew up the engine in the first episode. And yes, I've seen the HD video online and on-screen.


Even if you take it from a story-line view... the smoke has never come out of the jungle, it doesn't move like that, it doesn't attack unless provoked, and it doesn't attack indirectly like blowing up engines.

It's out of character for the smoke to behave like that.
I agree. It's not like the smoke couldn't have been from, oh I don't know, the burning plane wreckage maybe?

Sorry for the sarcasm, just saying it's inconclusive, not impossible.

[gonzotek]

I'm still not convinced it was the smoke that blew up the engine in the first episode. And yes, I've seen the HD video online and on-screen.


Even if you take it from a story-line view... the smoke has never come out of the jungle, it doesn't move like that, it doesn't attack unless provoked, and it doesn't attack indirectly like blowing up engines.

It's out of character for the smoke to behave like that.The smoke has a character? Other than sounds/tree shaking, the suvivors have only actually seen it on three occasions(The pilot, locke, and eko). It doesn't appear to directly blow up the engine, the guy getting sucked in does. The smoke just shoves him a bit closer to it. I don't think the pilot had done anything to provoke it, unless looking out the window counts.

[mask2343]

I agree. It's not like the smoke couldn't have been from, oh I don't know, the burning plane wreckage maybe?

Sorry for the sarcasm, just saying it's inconclusive, not impossible.
Smoke from a burning wreckage usually goes UP! This "smoke" came swooping down, blew up an engine (which by the way, where was it getting its fuel?), and then flew back up. Plus you see "smoke" fly sideways all over the place. I watched it on an Ipod in an apple store. Even on that tiny screen you could see it! :rolleyes:

[joits]

How do you know what a dinosaur sounds like? ;)

i learned what it sounds like from my teacher mr spielberg. :p i also learned that velociraptors can use door handles and that the only way to survivie an encounter with them is to have a t-rex as your back up.

[hefe]

It ain't smoke...

[unicorngoddess]

How do you know what a dinosaur sounds like? ;)

Well, when I heard that sound I half expected to see a t-rex roaring while a Jurassic Park sign fell over him. Then the survivors realized...Oh, we just crash landed on the Jurassic Park 4 set!

[audioscience]

I rewatched the engine scene on the DVD on my standard TV screen and it was plainly visible. Under this discussion it does look like the smoke "pushes" the guy into the engine. But also one has to take into account that the smoke was just some smoke from the wreckage and it gets sucked down and into the engine when the engine revs.

We all know that a jet engine sucks in air at an incredible rate and air being lighter than a human it will move much faster and easier. So the engine revs, the air moves quickly- this plume of smoke being included- it all gets sucked in and when the engine gets enough suction built up it is able to suck the man in with it.

I do however have to say that it is odd that the CG effects guys would include such a small plume of smoke in this way at such precise timing that it would coincide with the exact second of when the guy gets sucked into the engine.

/shrug
I can see both sides to the coin but it does also look like smoke zooms up and away from the engine in the shot with Jack precisely before the engine explodes.

[Jeeters]

Have we seen anything since then that explains the movement in the jungle, the loud noise and whatever happened to the pilot? If you say it's the black cloud, I say "B.S., my good man!" based on what we've seen the black cloud do so far.I think it's one and the same.

The way they handled the smoke scene with Mr. Eko seemed to deliberately be duplicating the scene where Locke had his face-to-face meeting with the 'monster'.

i.e., when Locke met the monster, we first saw it (from Kate's view, who was up in a tree) crashing through the forest, with the trees and grass getting stomped on, and the loud sounde. When it met Locke, all we saw in that scene was from the monster's point of view... the monster approaching Lock from above and then looming above him staring down at Locke while he just stares back at it and sort of smiles.

With Eko, it was done the same way... as the monster approaches Eko it's again all through the monster's point of view; a total throwback to the way they did it with Locke. The difference, though, is that while in Locke's scene we got a cut-to-commerical, in Eko's scene they kept going and instead just cut away from the monster's POV to swing the camera around and show the monster, i.e. smoke, itself.

[astrohip]

It's out of character for the smoke to behave like that.

If this was any thread but a LOST thread, do you realize how bizarre that statement sounds? :D :up: :p

[cwoody222]

I thought of that when I wrote it :)