HR10-250 capacity?

[vernsh]

I have a upgraded 10-250 (2x400gb hds). System Information tells how much total capacity I have but I would like to know how much I still have unused. The HD properties sheet tells you this on a PC. Is there any way to query the H10 for this info?

[ebonovic]

Nope... the HR10-250 has no "available" space meter

(Actually no un-hacked Tivo unit has an available space meter)

[vernsh]

Nope... the HR10-250 has no "available" space meter

(Actually no un-hacked Tivo unit has an available space meter)

Does one exist for the HR10??

[Arcady]

Hack it and use TiVoWebPlus to see the remaining space.

[vernsh]

Hack it and use TiVoWebPlus to see the remaining space.

Is there an interface to the hr10? The usb port is inactive, right?

[vernsh]

Is there an interface to the hr10? The usb port is inactive, right?

Ok, I guess I can answer my own question. Pull the hd an add it to an existing hd on a pc running linux. Not worth the effort to me.

[Arcady]

No, hack the unit so the USB ports work, then connect to it via your web browser and look up the remaining space. Here's what I see when I connect to my unit with a 250gb drive in it:

http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/uploads/tivo_space.jpg

[cstelter]

No, hack the unit so the USB ports work, then connect to it via your web browser and look up the remaining space. Here's what I see when I connect to my unit with a 250gb drive in it:


I've seen tons of folks ask for this information, but I still have trouble understanding exactly what useful information it tells me. It doesn't tell me which shows are about to be deleted. It doesn't tell me how much space will be filled over the next 12 days. Those are the key factors about the capacity that I care about.

I care about 2 things. Are upcoming shows that I care about going to be recorded? Are shows in my now playing list going to disappear before I get to watch them?

To deal with this, I occasionally look at my To-Do list and make sure it's not uncommonly short, and I look at the list at the bottom of SP's and WL's that have 'none scheduled'. If I don't see any red flags I'm happy that the shows I care about will record. I do this more frequently if I get messages that xxx will be deleted earlier than planned, or if my list of suggestions at the end of Now Playing starts to get short.

Next I sort Now Playing in order of expiration. If any shows I care about are set to expire before I think I'll watch them, I'll extend the keep until time. The TiVo then does all the math involved in determining if disk space will expire before my ToDo programs record. If I'm in trouble, I get the 'xxx will be deleted sooner that planned' or 'You can't do this or you'll run out of disk space'. That is useful information that I can act on.

I see no way to get that type of information by looking at a free space indicator.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is an 'Estimated Disk Crunch Date'. Since the TiVo never removes a yellow dot ! program until it needs more disk space or is bounded by a keep at most setting, TiVo ought to be able to estimate the shortest # of days until one of those will have to be deleted on account of disk space shortage (not due to a keep at most setting). Show me the number of days or hours until I either will start having those yellow (!) icons deleted or until a ToDo program will fail to record. If that number drops low, I can begin babysitting my now playing better.

That's the feature I want.

[vernsh]

I've seen tons of folks ask for this information, but I still have trouble understanding exactly what useful information it tells me. It doesn't tell me which shows are about to be deleted. It doesn't tell me how much space will be filled over the next 12 days. Those are the key factors about the capacity that I care about.


Next I sort Now Playing in order of expiration. If any shows I care about are set to expire before I think I'll watch them, I'll extend the keep until time. The TiVo then does all the math involved in determining if disk space will expire before my ToDo programs record. If I'm in trouble, I get the 'xxx will be deleted sooner that planned' or 'You can't do this or you'll run out of disk space'. That is useful information that I can act on.

I see no way to get that type of information by looking at a free space indicator.

Show me the number of days or hours until I either will start having those yellow (!) icons deleted or until a ToDo program will fail to record. If that number drops low, I can begin babysitting my now playing better.

That's the feature I want.

The reason you have those concerns is because you have no idea how much capacity you have left. Yes it would be nice to be able to finesse the information further as you suggest but just knowing you still have 50% as oppossed to 5% would help you make more rational decisions. I off-load the shows I really want to keep onto high-definition video tape in 480i. I can't save in hd because I don't have a firewire feed to my hd vcr but 480i is a lot better than the 280i you get on standard vcrs. I also flag my favorites, "save until I delete" to insure they are not going to disappear without warning.

My question is, now do I turn on the USB ports?

[Arcady]

My question is, now do I turn on the USB ports?

Zipper thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=265929)

[cstelter]

The reason you have those concerns is because you have no idea how much capacity you have left. Yes it would be nice to be able to finesse the information further as you suggest but just knowing you still have 50% as oppossed to 5% would help you make more rational decisions. I off-load the shows I really want to keep onto high-definition video tape in 480i. I can't save in hd because I don't have a firewire feed to my hd vcr but 480i is a lot better than the 280i you get on standard vcrs. I also flag my favorites, "save until I delete" to insure they are not going to disappear without warning.



I could care less how much capacity I have. I want to know how many days in the future the TiVo is giong to start deleting my (!) icons and how many days in the future it's going to cease recording programs because it's short on disk space.

Disk capacity is only a part of those calculations-- Scheduled hours of recording, the expiration dates of those new programs is a huge part of the equations. I don't want to do that math in my head, the TiVo already knows how to do it.

If I imagine that I had a fee space indicator:

Problem #1-- I like suggestions, so my Disk drive would always show 100% full (unless the hack being mentioned deals with this).

Problem #2-- Even if I abandoned suggestions, knowing I have 80GB/250GB free would do me little good if I didn't realize that some network was running a marathon in 2 days that would fill up my disk.

Again, I have 2 concerns-- don't nuke my programs with !'s in them if I don't want to lose them and don't stop recording things I want in the future. TiVo already gives me a reasonable way to deal with those 2 concerns. I can change keep_until on those programs I still care about with a (!). I can check ToDo to be sure I'm not going to miss any shows I care about.

Knowing that my disk is 100% full (or without suggestions, knowing that it was 50% full) does not directly deal with either of my two concerns. It may help me do a little math in my head and if I count the hours in my ToDo list come up with a sense of what I want, but why should I have to do that math? I want the box to tell me that.. and it does if you try to change a (!) to keep until next friday and disk space is going to be running short.

So the box already tells me exactly what I want to know, but the # of suggestions or a free-space hack won't give me the true indicator I desire-- how many days in the future will the TiVo estimate it will have to start deleting (!) shows to make room for new shows, and when will it estimate that there will be no free space to record a show that would otherwise be in ToDo.

[Arcady]

If you look at a show, it will say how long until it is deleted. Select "Keep until..." and then the screen will say something like this:

This recording will be kept until at least
Sat 2/11 2:00 pm

Isn't that what you want?

[cstelter]

If you look at a show, it will say how long until it is deleted. Select "Keep until..." and then the screen will say something like this:

This recording will be kept until at least
Sat 2/11 2:00 pm

Isn't that what you want?

No... Since you can only set that date ~12 days in the future or 'until I delete' eventually a program can get an ! on it meaning you're past that date.

However, that dosn't mean it is going to be deleted any time soon-- I've had yellow (!) programs on my Now Playing for weeks. Now if I absolutely have to see it, I'll green dot it or extend its date. But repeatedly extending its date is time consuming so I tend to just leave them until I notice I'm going to be running out of space in 3-5 days. Then I make sure my keep until is set so that I don't lose the show.

That's the indicator I'd like to see-- how many days until TiVo estimates it will need to actually delete a program with a (!) in it for disk space reasons. Likewise it should be able to calculate when it is going to not record a SP/WL show for disk space reasons. If that day is 12 days out in the future, I have little concern that a yellow (!) will disappear before I get to it. But if that day is 3 days from now, then I need to reset the keep until date.

[Arcady]

Or you could just watch the shows.

Or you could put a couple 500gb drives in it.

Nothing seems to please you.

[cstelter]

Or you could just watch the shows.

Or you could put a couple 500gb drives in it.

Nothing seems to please you.

Erm, I guess I failed to express myself properly.

I'm very pleased with the tools available within the unhacked TiVo today. It works very well for me and is managable. It's *GREAT* that it warns me that the disk will be full if I try to request too many shows. It's great that it warns me that shows will be deleted earlier than expected. It's great that I can green dot shows, or select keep until. I don't think I've ever lost a show I cared about.

I'm a happy camper actually, but I keep seeing many folks requesting this free space indicator.

The thrust of my post is that I don't understand what good a free space indicator would be but that I *can* understand why someone would want an indicator of how many days until shows start deleting or show stop recording.

Essentially I've seen folks asking for a free space indicator for over 5 years now, and would appear that it's not coming. I think I can understand why from the problems I stated in my last post. I'm trying to encourage folks to ask for a more meaningful feature that should not be difficult to implement and would be orders of magnitude more useful than a free space indicator.

Wouldn't you find it useful if your Now Playing had this message at the bottom of it?
Notice: Estimated XX days until shows with (!) indicator will be deleted for space
or
Warning: Estimated disk shortage in xx days, N shows denied in To Do List

If XX days is 12 or more, no message appears.

The TiVo essentially gives you this info any time you manually add a new show to ToDo, or extend a Keep until date. But you never get the warning if SP or WL items fail to go into ToDo, and can't always tell when it's time to update a keep until date.

Doesn't this seem more useful than a free space indicator?

[vernsh]

Erm, I guess I failed to express myself properly.

I'm very pleased with the tools available within the unhacked TiVo today. It works very well for me and is managable. It's *GREAT* that it warns me that the disk will be full if I try to request too many shows. It's great that it warns me that shows will be deleted earlier than expected. It's great that I can green dot shows, or select keep until. I don't think I've ever lost a show I cared about.

I'm a happy camper actually, but I keep seeing many folks requesting this free space indicator.

The thrust of my post is that I don't understand what good a free space indicator would be but that I *can* understand why someone would want an indicator of how many days until shows start deleting or show stop recording.



To each his own. I have 103hd - 639sd hours to play with (2x400gb hds) and don't expect to ever worry about "how soon my programs will disappear". I will have off-loaded the ones I want to keep long before that happens. I just resort the playlist alphabetically and save like titled programs sequentially by date. All I want is a better handle on when I need to do that. A space remaining indicator is not something I need but is something I would like to have if it doesn't entail hacking my system. (Pulling the hd, etc.)

This has been much more lively discussion than I expected on what I thought was a rather mundane topic. Good luck finding what you need.

[inaka]

Turn on suggstions.
When you have pages and pages of Tivo suggestions recorded at the end of the Now Playing list, you have lots of free space.
When you have just one (or less than one) page of suggestions, you don't have much free space.

Done. :D

[newsposter]

i was leery of the suggestion thing but did turn it on a few days ago, im sure it's not filled yet but it's nice seeing 'exactly' how much space i have left

[vernsh]

Turn on suggstions.
When you have pages and pages of Tivo suggestions recorded at the end of the Now Playing list, you have lots of free space.
When you have just one (or less than one) page of suggestions, you don't have much free space.

Done. :D

Now that's a really cool idea! I'm not looking for rocket science, just a good indicator.