Smallville: Vengeance 2/2/06

[lawilson2]

Eh, it was ok. I was hoping for more of a Wonder Woman type of character. The episode wasn't too interesting. Lex once again blackmailing his father, gaining the upper hand, blah blah...

[Langree]

The obvious foretelling of what clark will do later makes me twitch.

Glasses
Mild Mannered Reporter working at the Planet

Did you notice the big lit up sign behind her on the roof when Clark first confronted her?

[WinBear]

"Man of Steel" in the Pa Kent video
"change in a phone booth"

[atrac]

Xena looks (and voice too) with "Birds of Prey" attitude and costume.

[Graymalkin]

So is "Angel of Vengeance" in the DC pantheon somewhere?

[atrac]

The guy that robs Mrs. Kent just happens to be the same guy that killed Vengence's Mom and created her?

I don't THINK so. Stupid.

[whitson77]

Bleech.

[Graymalkin]

Did I not totally call it last week -- that Martha would be offered Jonathan's Senate seat and that Lionel would use it to make a play for her. Huh? Huh? Am I good or what?

I saw that John Schneider was still in the opening credits. Was that because he appeared on the home video?

[atrac]

Although I pretty much didn't like this episode, I was genuinely touched by the last few minutes of it.

[porges]

You what I want now? Some of that Accuvue. That looks like good vision-correcting there.

[JYoung]

Hey!
I like my Accuvues!

[yaddayaddayadda]

I thought it was a decent episode, but was struck more by the comment made by one of the posters on last week's epi thread.

Since they've claimed 'no flights, no tights' - i.e. he'll never be superman, we're just stuck spinning our wheels until the series is over. No character development, no hero type things that we expect from Superman....heck we don't even have Clark showing the least bit of interest in reporting. I'm tired of lex only being semi-evil and getting his butt kicked continally.

[mrpope]

everyone needs to stop skipping the commercials, so they don't put them in the show. then i can still skip them.

[Rob Helmerichs]

I saw that John Schneider was still in the opening credits. Was that because he appeared on the home video?
I have doubted he's reqally gone since he died. One way or another, I think he'll continue to be in the show.

[Bryanmc]

I have doubted he's reqally gone since he died. One way or another, I think he'll continue to be in the show.
They'll watch home movies every week.

[TAsunder]

I'm not sure what to make of lionel calling clark "son" at the end there.

[Figaro]

Argh! My new cable box decided to shut itself off before TiVo could get this. Could anyone PM me a method of where one might find this episode?

[KungFuCow]

I have doubted he's reqally gone since he died. One way or another, I think he'll continue to be in the show.

I agree with you.

[Graymalkin]

I'm not sure what to make of lionel calling clark "son" at the end there.

Not to mention the fact that Clark saved him by moving at super-speed. And heard that not-so-cryptic conversation between Clark and Andrea. But is he going to keep quiet so he can pursue Martha? I can't believe Lex was able to blackmail him by threatening to tell her that Lionel had met with Jonathan just before Jonathan died.

[dtle]

Wow...Lionel must really loved Martha. He's willing to give up control of his company to keep her companionship.

But then again, maybe he's staying close to her because she will be the Senator.

[b5ver]

Eh, it was ok. I was hoping for more of a Wonder Woman type of character. The episode wasn't too interesting. Lex once again blackmailing his father, gaining the upper hand, blah blah...

From the looks of it, Lex is going to keep the "pimp hand strong" from here on out.

[TAsunder]

Is he giving up control to be near martha or because he thinks it might lead to a criminal investigation?

[DevdogAZ]

Is he giving up control to be near martha or because he thinks it might lead to a criminal investigation?
I don't think Lionel is afraid of a criminal investigation. I'm sure it's because he doesn't want to lose Martha's friendship. We know he's always had a thing for her and now that Jonathan is gone, he's got to feel that the door is open. If she finds out he had something to do with Jonathan's death, that door will be closed forever.

[5thcrewman]

Lionel's hanging around Martha on the off chance she'll get inhabited by teen spirit again!

[Rob Helmerichs]

I don't think Lionel is afraid of a criminal investigation. I'm sure it's because he doesn't want to lose Martha's friendship. We know he's always had a thing for her and now that Jonathan is gone, he's got to feel that the door is open. If she finds out he had something to do with Jonathan's death, that door will be closed forever.
That bit on the roof with Clark (hand on the shoulder, "Son") was creepy...

[scheckeNYK]

The "son" part was definitely laden with something. They didn't jut write that line for nothing.

And by the way, so far no one has mentioned the background score when we first meet Andrea. Go back and listen to it a few times and tell me what you think it sounds like? I was expecting some other kinda crazy cross-over with another big DC city. Let's see who else can place the music.

[gchance]

The "son" part was definitely laden with something. They didn't jut write that line for nothing.

And by the way, so far no one has mentioned the background score when we first meet Andrea. Go back and listen to it a few times and tell me what you think it sounds like? I was expecting some other kinda crazy cross-over with another big DC city. Let's see who else can place the music.

It was like a cross between Batman & Flash music to me. Danny Elfman at very least.

Greg

[Shakhari]

I thought Lionel was possessed by Jor-el episodes back ... and that's why he called Clark son.

[PJO1966]

The "son" part was definitely laden with something. They didn't jut write that line for nothing.

And by the way, so far no one has mentioned the background score when we first meet Andrea. Go back and listen to it a few times and tell me what you think it sounds like? I was expecting some other kinda crazy cross-over with another big DC city. Let's see who else can place the music.

Sounded like Batman to me. I was wondering if she was going to turn out to be Huntress. It wouldn't make sense time-wise, though.

[Raimi]

Denise Quinones (AoV) ruined this episode for me. Horrendous acting by Miss Universe 2001 made watching the episode nearly unbearable. Pleeeeeeaaaase don't let her become a recurring character. :(

[Graymalkin]

She was Miss Universe 2001? Heh. Typical WB casting coup. :rolleyes:

[ClutchBrake]

I quit watching Smallville just before the "Smallville Girls go Charmed" episode. Just couldn't take it anymore (though I still loved Lex).

Last night I was about to turn the TV off and saw that Smallville was on. Tuned in and watched the last ten minutes. Acting looks like it has only gotten worse!!! :D

Apparently Pa Kent just died. What specifically happened? I read the other thread but they just kept talking about him dying, but not saying how. Did he just drop over because someone had to die or did he die in some specific manner (accident, murder, etc?) because someone had to die?

[rkester]

Ok, I am sooo behind on Smallville. I have 1-3 sets on DVD. And the show itself ALWAYS conflicts with stuff so it ends up getting lost in the shuffle. I have appearantly missed a TON over the last 2 seasons.

My tivo actually recorded this one so I watched some of it and couldnt help but think of all the superman comparisons they had with the girl superhero.

Seems to me by the time he becomes Supes, he will have 29302389 times more experience than any superman did in the comics or movies as far as badguys etc.

I guess I need to wait for S4 on DVD and then S5 because im lost.

I can say this, Chloe said something about Jonathan, and since I didnt know I was taken aback. I dont know details but it was a rude awakening on top of missing 2 seasons of a show I used to obsess over.

[JimSpence]

Pa Kent was having a "conversation" with Lionel when he had a heart attack. He died in the driveway a few minutes later when Ma and Clark drove in.

[ClutchBrake]

Pa Kent was having a "conversation" with Lionel when he had a heart attack. He died in the driveway a few minutes later when Ma and Clark drove in.

Thanks. :)

[rkester]

LOL CB, I posted almost the same thing as you.

And the Jonathan thing got me, I liked him alot. Anyone know if it was storyline or getting rid of him from the show?

Looks like S4 box set is out too, I guess Ineed to get it and catch up. I only saw like 2 of that season.

I've maanged to get the boxsets on sale for great prices.... paid less than $16 for S1 and like $25 for S2.

[Graymalkin]

Jonathan's departure was plot-related, not actor-related. AFAIK.

[bentleyml]

Everything I've read has said Jonathan's death was story related and not an issue with the actor.

[kbohip]

I laughed when I saw that box of "Acuvue Advance" contacts. They're the same ones I wear. Best lenses I've used FYI :). Expensive though :(.

This episode was pretty bad. Who in their right minds drops clothes off at a homeless shelter at night by themself in a part of town called "Suicide slums"?! I did like the ending though with Jonathon on the home video.

[smak]

I thought her acting was pretty poor as well.

Also, when she first save Mrs Kent from the bad guy, why didn't she realize then that he killed her mom.

Seems like they decided that plot point after the fact.

-smak-

[glumlord]

I laughed when I saw that box of "Acuvue Advance" contacts. They're the same ones I wear. Best lenses I've used FYI :). Expensive though :(.

This episode was pretty bad. Who in their right minds drops clothes off at a homeless shelter at night by themself in a part of town called "Suicide slums"?! I did like the ending though with Jonathon on the home video.

Haha Kbohip thats exactly what my wife said.. She was like who the hell goes to suicide slums at night by themself.

<chuckle>

[PJO1966]

I thought her acting was pretty poor as well.

Also, when she first save Mrs Kent from the bad guy, why didn't she realize then that he killed her mom.

Seems like they decided that plot point after the fact.

-smak-


When she saved Martha, she grabbed the guy and said something like "I've been looking for you for a long time", or something like that.

[Test]

When she saved Martha, she grabbed the guy and said something like "I've been looking for you for a long time", or something like that.

your right, right when she first appears (batman theme plays) she pushes him against the pick up and says "ive been looking for you"...

started off like it was gonna be a much better ep then it was...

i agree they threw alot at us, was the "blind as a bat" a reference or part of the commercial for acuuvue? i cant tell

i can see pa kent coming back in flashbacks, dreams, w/ jorel

edit: how often is "superman" gonna get knocked on his ass? is it really because he didnt expect to get hit? didnt think she had the power? wasnt ready?

edit2: whats wrong with "superman", how many more people/potential (powerful) enemies is he going to let in on his weakness??? "im kind of allergic" or is she the first one and im just thinking he gives it up easily

[lawilson2]

I think the Smallville writers are in trouble. They promised from the beginning that he would never wear the outfit and become Superman. So, where on earth do you end it? I personally would like an ending where he tries on the outfit for the first time, he flies off, his cape fluttering in front of the camera, some dramatic music, and then end it. I think this should be the last season. I can't see how they could possibly keep up the momentum of the show for another season.

[Drewster]

I watched the episode last night, and sobbed during the last scene with the home video.

With my son asleep in his room, my wife putting the little girl down for the night in her room, and my dad going in for surgery on Monday, it hit a little close to home.

[smak]

I think the Smallville writers are in trouble. They promised from the beginning that he would never wear the outfit and become Superman. So, where on earth do you end it? I personally would like an ending where he tries on the outfit for the first time, he flies off, his cape fluttering in front of the camera, some dramatic music, and then end it. I think this should be the last season. I can't see how they could possibly keep up the momentum of the show for another season.

That's the problem. It's almost like I wish the show was ending, so we'd get 4-6 really good episodes.

I think the last few episodes of the series will be good. They've done well with most season ending shows, and most of the big mythology episodes.

I think Smallville is doing well in the ratings, and I think they're going to want to keep it around next year for the CW.

-smak-

[TiVoJedi]

Clark is missing one ability that we've not seen in Smallville yet.. He's missing the wintery ice breath!

The writers can take the next season for Clark to learn it. Plus he can use the Fortress of Solitude to hone his skills and shoot the breeze with Jor-el. We'll probably see Clark involved in alot of covert crime fighting in Metropolis.

[Figaro]

woof! I finally got my hands on this episode. Now I know that I shouldn't have even bothered. Too bad too considering the past few have been pretty good. This had to be one of the worst episodes of Smallville ever. Good golly it was bad! Could someone please tell me where Lionel has gotten all of his money from? I thought he was ruined after the whole prison thing, yet now he is ready to take Luthorcorp back? How does a campaign for state senate in Kansas exhaust the funds of a billionaire? Why can't Lana just be dead?

[atrac]

Although indeed, Vengence's acting ability is poor, I do have to say that she is HOT. That slight speech impediment of hers made her even more cute too.

[Stormspace]

Anyone notice the title in the TiVo was Vengenance?

Also, Vengence seems to have several things in common with batman. Petty criminal offs her parent(s) and as a result she decides to fight crime as a vigilante.

I think the real reason for this is to show that Clark is not like Batman or those of that nature. He's not going to lower himself to that level. This episode tells why.

[jwjody]

The "son" part was definitely laden with something. They didn't jut write that line for nothing.

And by the way, so far no one has mentioned the background score when we first meet Andrea. Go back and listen to it a few times and tell me what you think it sounds like? I was expecting some other kinda crazy cross-over with another big DC city. Let's see who else can place the music.
Batman.

J

[BillyT2002]

Clark is missing one ability that we've not seen in Smallville yet.. He's missing the wintery ice breath!

The writers can take the next season for Clark to learn it. Plus he can use the Fortress of Solitude to hone his skills and shoot the breeze with Jor-el. We'll probably see Clark involved in alot of covert crime fighting in Metropolis.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've seen:
Super Strength
Super Density
Super Speed
Super Hearing
Super Jumping
One Episode of Flying
One Episode of Hovering (over his bed I think - unless that was from L&C ;))
Heat Vision
XRay Vision

We have not seen:
Super Breath
Telescopic Vision

I don't believe there are any other forgotten abilities unless you include stuff such as that he can fly in space without apparently breathing, etc.

[Jmac823200]

Is there any way that anyone of you can direct me to a link where I can obtain a copy of this show... I was hacking my mother's tivo and a couple of her shows have not been recorded... this is one of them. So if anyone can point me to a copy that'd be nice!

[allan]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've seen:
Super Strength
Super Density
Super Speed
Super Hearing
Super Jumping
One Episode of Flying
One Episode of Hovering (over his bed I think - unless that was from L&C ;))
Heat Vision
XRay Vision

We have not seen:
Super Breath
Telescopic Vision

I don't believe there are any other forgotten abilities unless you include stuff such as that he can fly in space without apparently breathing, etc.

The Super Kiss from Superman II. :p

[Figaro]

Is there any way that anyone of you can direct me to a link where I can obtain a copy of this show... I was hacking my mother's tivo and a couple of her shows have not been recorded... this is one of them. So if anyone can point me to a copy that'd be nice!


isohunt.com

you will need a bit torrent client to do the rest.

[Tangent]

Clark is missing one ability that we've not seen in Smallville yet.. He's missing the wintery ice breath!

The way things are going on that show lately it's almost a sure bet that it'll make its appearance with some sort of Dentyne Ice tie-in... :rolleyes:

[Big_Daddy]

LOL CB, I posted almost the same thing as you.

And the Jonathan thing got me, I liked him alot. Anyone know if it was storyline or getting rid of him from the show?

Looks like S4 box set is out too, I guess Ineed to get it and catch up. I only saw like 2 of that season.

I've maanged to get the boxsets on sale for great prices.... paid less than $16 for S1 and like $25 for S2.

From what I can tell, Pa Kent's death was for storyline reasons.

And S4 was the low point of the show. Other than the season finale, pretty forgettable.

[rkester]

Got S4 set and have been going thru it. I've seen maybe 1/3 the shows already from the first half. So im skipping those and going for the ones ive not seen. trying to catch up, hopefully 5s set will come out soon after the season ends.

My fave season was probably 3, the darker vibe rocked. but i liked 1 for its newness even tho it was freak-of-the-week the whole time.

[Figaro]

Clark is missing one ability that we've not seen in Smallville yet.. He's missing the wintery ice breath!

Are you sure? Lois, Chloe, and a lot of the other ladies on the show always appear to be kinda cold. ;)

Seriously though that has always been one of the lamest powers ever, right up there with super hypnotism. Why should his breath be colder than his body temperature?

[porges]

Seriously though that has always been one of the lamest powers ever, right up there with super hypnotism. Why should his breath be colder than his body temperature?

Because he has the ability to make his entire body act like a refrigerator or air conditioner. Just don't ask where he vents the hot air that he must generate by this technique.

[Figaro]

Because he has the ability to make his entire body act like a refrigerator or air conditioner. Just don't ask where he vents the hot air that he must generate by this technique.

Super atomic flatulence? Good golly!

[mrmike]

ASeriously though that has always been one of the lamest powers ever, right up there with super hypnotism. Why should his breath be colder than his body temperature?

Venturi cooling effect?