The Office 1/05 - Booze Cruise **SPOILERS** [Text View]

getbak

01-05-2006, 10:55 PM

Man, what a moment with Pam and Jim. That was gut wrenching.

This is two episodes in a row (I think) where Meredith has been shirtless. Gross.

And it doesn't look like she stuck to her New Year's resolution.

Well, if the cruise was on a Friday night, it's technically the weekend (her resolution was to "stop drinking...during the week", right?).

Poor Jim, but they had to do something like that if they're going to keep their relationship the same without having them eventually hook up (I'm sure he'll regret telling Michael about his crush).

I also like what they're doing with Dwigt and Angela.

Chapper1

01-05-2006, 11:11 PM

I felt really bad for Jim when Roy made his announcement...

I loved what him and Pam did to Dwight's stuff in the beginning, putting it in the vending machine and giving him a bag of nickles...

JadeWolf07

01-05-2006, 11:45 PM

I felt really bad for Jim when Roy made his announcement...

I loved what him and Pam did to Dwight's stuff in the beginning, putting it in the vending machine and giving him a bag of nickles...

Is it just me, or was that a complete ripoff of 'Undeclared'?

Warren

01-05-2006, 11:51 PM

Dwight "driveing" the boat was funny!!!

getbak

01-06-2006, 12:54 AM

"Michael stands on the front of the boat and says he's the king of the world within the first hour, or I give you my next paycheck."

...Then, Jim points at his watch after Michael does it as they're pulling out of the dock.

Dignan

01-06-2006, 01:14 AM

I liked that they used the "Training Day" episode from the original Office and still made it work. My wife commented that Jim and Pam seem to have more chemistry than Pam and Tim, I agree.

But I'm done compairing the original to the American version. Dare I say, at this point I prefer the new one. :eek:

I've noticed more and more people talking about this show where I live, from many different walks of life. I'm hoping the new time zone won't kill the momentum.

jurysch

01-06-2006, 01:35 AM

I was excited to see the show finally back, but since this was the first episode shown on Thursday night and thus possibly seen by a new audience, I kinda wish it was a strong episode. It was still moderately funny but probably in the bottom 3 episodes of season 2.

I get a little nervous when they get out of the office environment though. They seem to lose a bit of their steam when they don't have the familiar setup of the main cubicle area, break area and Michael's office. And while I know they have to advance the story with Jim and Pam at least a little bit, they were getting a little soap operaish on this latest ep. Plus it's getting a little annoying how Pam can't seem to stand up for herself with Roy...

jschuur

01-06-2006, 02:07 AM

Having just seen Undeclared on DVD, I immediately recognized the scene too.

Jim claimed he was broken up with hot handbag girl during the party at his house. Were they on a break, or was he lying? There was a brief second when they were talking about their high school days when I thought Roy would realize he slept with her years ago when she was a cheerleader.

I had to pause the show and scream 'Noooooo!' when Roy went up to the mic. I knew exactly what was coming :(

Ultimately though, I think this is good for Jim/Pam. Jim finally has an ultimatum before which he has to act.

Bonus points for Michael for saying the smartest thing he's probably ever said ('Engaged? BFD!')

sonnik

01-06-2006, 08:17 AM

I've been a big fan of the American version since episode one, I just have rarely commented about it here... but I read most show threads after every new episode.

To be honest, I'm surprised - I figured the general response here would be that it was too sappy. I didn't think so, I just thought that would be the response here.

As long as this show keeps growing, I can almost totally guarantee the chemistry of the cast - Pam and Jim especially - will be remembered as one of the best dynamics television has ever seen long after this show is gone.

markymark_ctown

01-06-2006, 08:23 AM

Skittles

01-06-2006, 08:38 AM

It was a so-so episode right up until the last 7 minutes, then I was hooked. The guys jumping out the window had me in stitches. And I'm sure others will disagree, but I actually liked the fact that despite his ignorance and tackiness, it was Michael Scott who ended up being Jim's rock during his woes. The irony of Michael giving Jim romance advice was just too much, and yet it still served as a fairly poignant moment.

7thton

01-06-2006, 08:44 AM

i agree - not the strongest episode to to start off the "must see tv" time slot.

I said that about the season 2 opener....which also took place out of the office.

Why do they go "out" for all the "big" eps?

Bad planning....

Magister

01-06-2006, 08:53 AM

Meredith kills me. When Michael mentioned the booze cruise, she was the one that was the most excited.

This was a pretty good episode. I felt bad for Jim, but at least his Cheerleader was hot, he shouldn't have hurt that relationship. You will always do well with other chicks if they already think you are in a relationship.

Single and desperate makes it kinda tough.

TAsunder

01-06-2006, 08:57 AM

PJO1966

01-06-2006, 09:43 AM

This was the first episode I've seen, I had no idea it existed (must be that rock I'm living under). It was pretty damn funny.

jschuman

01-06-2006, 10:37 AM

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I thought this episode was great.

I especially enjoyed when Michael was trying to shoehorn his employees into the Gilligan's Island "roles". The Harlem Globetrotter line was great. (Another example of quasi-comedy-intelligence in this show. If only Toby had shown up on time so he could call him a 'Robotic Invincible'.)

jradford

01-06-2006, 10:39 AM

I like how every once in a while we are surprised by Michael in a good way. First with his sales skills to tim meadows and then again in this episode consoling Jim. That was one of my problems with the british version...
I agree. Not having a set season run length, though, makes it a necessity for Michael to be somewhat beneficial to the company.

Steeler Mike

01-06-2006, 10:41 AM

His politically incorrectness of the Gilligan Island character assignements were hysterical. The Indian woman was referred to as a native that sometimes comes to the island & Darrell was a Harlem Globetrotter.

And when Michael was talking about Titanic & he said that the boiler room guys were singing their "ethnic songs", so he then said Darrell maybe should be in the boiler room, or something like that.

Pam: "I think you mean The Hunt for Red October."

Edit: DOE! JSchuman types faster than I do.

Kevdog

01-06-2006, 10:45 AM

canyonero!

01-06-2006, 10:50 AM

I really liked this episode, especially the last few minutes as Skittles said. I assumed the opening scene with Dwigt's supplies in the vending machine was simply Paul Feig doing a nice Undeclared reference. It was his show too afterall.

Am I the only one who was surprised that Jim would confide in Michael in the first place?
I just assumed Jim was a little drunk.

crowfan

01-06-2006, 10:59 AM

Am I the only one who was surprised that Jim would confide in Michael in the first place?I kinda was, but I understood it. I know I've been in situations like that. You know you shouldn't talk to this particular person about it, but you're just so torn up that you have to get it out to someone. You know you'll probably regret it later, but you need that release at that moment.

I thought it was really well done.

busyba

01-06-2006, 11:05 AM

Man that was painful. I've been Jim. More that a couple of times. It isn't fun. :(

It looked like Jim was about to tell Pam (right in front og the cheerleader :eek: ) just as Roy took the mike.

You will always do well with other chicks if they already think you are in a relationship.

Single and desperate makes it kinda tough.
It takes money to make money. Substituting 'money' with 'women' is equally true (even if you only substitute the second one :D)

busyba

01-06-2006, 11:12 AM

I kinda was, but I understood it. I know I've been in situations like that. You know you shouldn't talk to this particular person about it, but you're just so torn up that you have to get it out to someone. You know you'll probably regret it later, but you need that release at that moment.
Also, we were at that point in the show when we needed the requisite "Michael redeems and humanizes himself so the viewers can go into the next episode with him as a likable character again" moment. :D

I thought it was really well done.
Nevertheless, I agree. :)

padmalinowski

01-06-2006, 11:30 AM

I actually liked the fact that despite his ignorance and tackiness, it was Michael Scott who ended up being Jim's rock during his woes. The irony of Michael giving Jim romance advice was just too much, and yet it still served as a fairly poignant moment.
And yet Michael's advice was for Jim to be self-serving and destructive, just like every decision Michael makes for himself, so in a weird way it's consistent with the characterization. It was definitely an unexpected moment of depth for this show.

jrinck

01-06-2006, 01:32 PM

June 10th is my anniversary, too!

And Michael's romance advice was peppered with "You do know that I made out with Jan?", so he's not that much of a sage.

:D

Magnolia88

01-06-2006, 01:50 PM

I am starting to love this show in a way I never thought I would. I'm upset about the loss of AD, but this show is beginning to fill the void very quickly. Earl and Chris are good, but it's The Office that I look forward to most every week, in terms of comedies.

My wife commented that Jim and Pam seem to have more chemistry than Pam and Tim, I agree.

Absolutely. The Office UK is one of my favorite shows of all time, and I never thought I would like this one half as much, but it's coming very close. And Jim and Pam are the main reason. Both actors are stellar and Jim's reaction shots are the funniest part of the entire show. I loved Tim and Dawn, but Jim and Pam are a million times cuter.

And while I don't like Michael as I liked David Brent because Michael is much more of an ass while David was more pathetic and earned more sympathy . . . in this episode I had to applaud Michael when he said "Engaged?? BFD!" His advice was spot on to Jim. I only hope Jim doesn't regret telling Michael later, but I'm thinking Michael is going to end up embarassing Jim about the whole Pam thing.

I still love Pam, but it's hard to understand how she could want to marry that oaf, let alone wait around three years for him to commit. Especially when she spends every day with Jim, who's unbelievably adorable. She has to know that Jim has feelings for her. (I know they have to keep Jim and Pam apart for the story to work, but they need to make her fiance a little more appealing for it to be more believable imho).

jschuur

01-06-2006, 02:25 PM

I have a theory about Pam and Roy. Roy actually had the guts to make a move, whereas Jim can't seem to break the friends zone.

Jim has shown time and time again that even when there is a moment, he just stalls. It happened again when the two were on the upper deck on the boat!

Magnolia88

01-06-2006, 02:49 PM

Jim has shown time and time again that even when there is a moment, he just stalls. It happened again when the two were on the upper deck on the boat!

That was a great (painful) moment, but I couldn't make up my mind: Is Pam secretly hoping that Jim will finally express his feelings? Or is she saying to herself, "Please, Jim, don't say something that will make things awkward for both of us"? I don't know what Pam wants Jim to do. She's the one who's engaged.

Jim has to give a hint to Pam about his feelings and let her know that if she dumped the oaf, he'd "be there" for her (a la seinfeld), but on the other hand, if Pam rejects him (/a la Tim's "she said no, by the way"), Jim doesn't want things to be awkward for them afterwards since they work together every day. He's in a no win situation there, so I can understand why he just froze up when the moment presented itself.

JETarpon

01-06-2006, 03:05 PM

"I'm on medication."
"Really? What?"
"Vomicilain."

jschuur

01-06-2006, 03:08 PM

2 thoughts:

- Roy's comment about 'The first one (engagement) didn't count' was extremely revealing. Pam should be furious!
- Jim turned a job down once because it would mean leaving Pam. If it gets too awkward, he'd have no trouble leaving.

Magnolia88

01-06-2006, 03:10 PM

- Roy's comment about 'The first one (engagement) didn't count' was extremely revealing. Pam should be furious!

But does Pam even know that Roy said that? I thought he just said that to Michael, perhaps out of earshot of Pam. Did I miss something?

SnakeEyes

01-06-2006, 03:18 PM

Perhaps the move may pay off?

“Office” posted a 4.5 overnight rating among viewers 18-49, a season high, holding 87 percent of “Earl’s” audience, also a season high. The 4.5 is a 15 percent jump over the 3.9 overnight rating it averaged through 10 episodes this season on Tuesday nights.

“Office” also bettered its season-long retention rate out of “Earl,” 71 percent, significantly. The two shows moved from the Tuesday 9 p.m. hour to Thursday at 9 p.m. for the first time last night.

“Earl,” meanwhile, came in slightly below its 5.5 season-to-date average, posting a 5.2 in the 9p.m. timeslot. But both “Earl” and “Office’s” ratings are even more impressive considering they aired head-to-head with an original episode of CBS’s “CSI,” which averaged a 9.3 overnight rating among 18-49s.

“Office” had a successful Thursday-night premiere last March but struggled mightily on Tuesdays until “Earl” rescued it last fall. Still, many media people felt the show had underperformed with such a strong lead-out.

With last night’s showing, “Office” finally delivered on the potential that NBC saw in it by keeping the critical hit around despite dismally low numbers last spring. Should it remain strong, “Office” will be one of the most impressive turnaround stories in recent years.

Even better for NBC, new show “Four Kings,” which aired at 8:30 p.m., did quite well despite bad reviews, building on its “Will & Grace” lead-in and bettering the latter’s season-long average in the timeslot with a 4.2 rating. “Grace” now leads off the night.

busyba

01-06-2006, 03:18 PM

if Pam rejects him (/a la Tim's "she said no, by the way"), Jim doesn't want things to be awkward for them afterwards since they work together every day. He's in a no win situation there, so I can understand why he just froze up when the moment presented itself.
I actually think he's in a no-lose scenario.

He hates his job. We've seen indications that he could easily get a better job with better money that he'd enjoy. The only reason he doesn't make the jump is to saty around Pam.

If he "goes for it" and gets shot down, he no longer has that yoke around his neck and he go get a better job and vastly improve his life.

If he "goes for it" and gets it, he'll have the girl of his dreams and thus vastly improve his life.

A game-theoretician would look at all the possible outcomes from all the possible actions and determine that going for it can only yield net-positive results, while not going for it has, at best, a slight shot at a positive outcome versus a high likelehood of maintaining the status quo.

Sounds like a no-brainer.

Unless, that is, Jim values staying at a crummy job and pining for a friend he can never have higher than having a good job and good money but no friendship with Pam. Having been more or less in his shoes before, I can say I'd understand if that were the case, but he'll look back someday and wonder what the hell was he thinking.

Magnolia88

01-06-2006, 03:26 PM

Unless, that is, Jim values staying at a crummy job and pining for a friend he can never have higher than having a good job and good money but no friendship with Pam. Having been more or less in his shoes before, I can say I'd understand if that were the case, but he'll look back someday and wonder what the hell was he thinking.

Ah, there you have it in a nutshell. Jim values his day to day interactions with Pam a lot, and he's obviously been pining away for her for quite a long time now. (Do we know if they knew each other before she got engaged? I'm not sure.) I think Jim (like Tim before him) fears losing the status quo because Pam is the best thing in his life right now. I'm not sure how quickly he'd want to move away and move on with his life, even if Pam marries Roy. It's pathetic, but I sort of understand it anyway.

I think that this (non) romance between Jim and Pam is one of the most touching, well-written and acted romantic relationships on any show, and this is supposed to be a zany sitcom. I felt the same way about Tim and Dawn -- the sweetness of their story is what made The Office UK truly special, beyond the wacky hijinks of David and Gareth.

jschuur

01-06-2006, 03:28 PM

I don't know what Pam wants Jim to do. She's the one who's engaged.
Perhaps she wants Jim to give her a reason to break up with Roy? She needs to know for sure that he likes her romantically, even though it's obvious to us, the viewer.

She may just not like the thought of being single if Roy falls through.

The documentary team needs to jump in here and cut a special reel with all the Jim/Pam moments to make a point ;)

Magnolia88

01-06-2006, 03:36 PM

Perhaps she wants Jim to give her a reason to break up with Roy? She needs to know for sure that he likes her romantically, even though it's obvious to us, the viewer.

I understand that completely, but she's the one who's engaged. All she has to do is hint around to Jim that she likes him, that she's got cold feet because she has feelings for someone else, yadda yadda yadda and really open the door wide for Jim (so to speak) to walk through. Pam doesn't have to worry about being rejected like Jim does, because she has Roy. If Jim doesn't respond in kind, she can laugh it off more easily and say, "just silly cold feet" or something.

I'm not sure if Pam was trying to do that on the boat (er, ship), but she was too vague and ambiguous for Jim to know what she wanted. He's the one taking the bigger risk (at least in his mind). If she really wants to know how he feels about her, she needs to be the one to put her cards on the table imho. I think it's sort of cruel for her to string him along, even though I totally understand it and I've sort of been there before.

And of course, if either one of them ever made a move, the story would be ruined for our viewing pleasure because it's watching Jim go through all this agony that is so entertaining as a viewer. At least for me. So the writers want to keep it going as long as possible. Tim didn't confess his true feelings to Dawn until the very end, but of course The Office UK had such a short run, by U.S. standards.

jschuur

01-06-2006, 03:48 PM

I understand that completely, but she's the one who's engaged. Pam doesn't have to worry about being rejected like Jim does, because she has Roy. If Jim doesn't respond in kind, she can laugh it off more easily and say, "just silly cold feet" or something.
What we said about Jim being afraid of losing Pam even as a friend if he decided to make a move works the other way around too: If Pam sends stronger signals and Jim shoots her down (she may think she only sees that Jim wants more because she's deep inside, she's looking for alternatives to Roy), she's 'stuck' with Roy all by herself now (or the prospect of 'getting out there again').

The irony is that the thing which is keeping both from acting (not wanting to lose the other) is exactly what makes them so good for eachother.

If the writers for the show ever read these threads, they ought to be mighty stoked that we're discussing this in such detail. Discussing... obsessing... same difference ;)

busyba

01-06-2006, 04:00 PM

If the writers for the show ever read these threads, they ought to be mighty stoked that we're discussing this in such detail. Discussing... obsessions... same difference ;)
If the writers ever read these threads, I'm almost certain they'd say, "Wow! These guys are reading a lot deeper into this stuff than we were when we were writing it!" :D

mdsutherland

01-06-2006, 04:15 PM

I have never scene Undeclared so the vending machine bit was new to me and I loved it. Here I have some nickels!!

Azlen

01-06-2006, 04:52 PM

I don't think Pam feels as strongly for Jim as he does for her or is in complete denial about it.

JETarpon

01-06-2006, 05:08 PM

Maybe Roy could buy the cheap envelopes, die from the toxic glue, and Pam meets someone else before Jim gets a chance, since he doesn't want to intrude on her grief.

pdhenry

01-06-2006, 06:18 PM

Face it - if Jim and Pam ever hook up the entire premise of the show is ruined. This would be beyond jumping the shark. Hopefully as long as Ricky Gervais is involved with the show it won't make this leap.

latrobe7

01-06-2006, 06:46 PM

To be honest, I'm surprised - I figured the general response here would be that it was too sappy. I didn't think so, I just thought that would be the response here.Present. I didn't want to threadcrap, but since you're looking for me :D

I'm a "late-adopter" of this show and have only seen a few episodes. I have also seen about as many episodes of the original series. I think the Boss in the new version is better. But Jim and Pam I thought where much better and more "real" in the original.

IMO, the Pam/Jim relationship is just lame. I'm not buying it at all, sorry. It reads as a "proximity-crush" to me. And on a woman already in a relationship. The moment on the deck was pathetic. To me it was more like he wasn't going to say anything because he knew his unrealistic fantasy would be smashed into a thousand pieces.

I saw the last(?) episode of the original series - so I know where this is heading - all I can say is I don't think I would buy it with these people. And if they did get together, it would be over in three months once both of them realized that they where just hot for each other because they where together so much and it was "verboten"
Sorry. I'm still watching for now. Hopefully next week will be better.

Magnolia88

01-06-2006, 07:29 PM

I think the Boss in the new version is better. But Jim and Pam I thought where much better and more "real" in the original.

That's funny because I have the exact opposite reaction.

I liked David Brent more than I like Michael Scott, and found David funnier and more sympathetic because I could pity him while still finding him obnoxious. Brent skated a fine line while Michael is just a jerk and a buffoon and it's hard to find him sympathetic at all (even though I think Carell is very good and Michael is stillfunny).

But as much as I liked Tim and Dawn (and I liked them a lot), I find Jim and Pam much cuter and I can see more affection between them than I saw between Tim and Dawn, and I'm drawn more to their (non) romance subplot. Tim was my favorite character in the original just as Jim is now, but I love Jim in a way I never loved Tim. Jim seems like a nicer guy and Tim was a little pathetic with the being 30 and still living with his parents thing. (Is that more common in the UK? I always found it odd.)

latrobe7

01-06-2006, 07:40 PM

I liked David Brent more than I like Michael Scott, and found David funnier and more sympathetic because I could pity him while still finding him obnoxious. Brent skated a fine line while Michael is just a jerk and a buffoon and it's hard to find him sympathetic at all (even though I think Carell is very good and Michael is stillfunny).
Yeah, I would agree with that, I just find Michael's act is funnier

Tim was my favorite character in the original just as Jim is now, but I love Jim in a way I never loved Tim. Jim seems like a nicer guy and Tim was a little pathetic with the being 30 and still living with his parents thing. (Is that more common in the UK? I always found it odd.)Forgot about that, but yeah, I always assumed it more common in England.

xtopher_66

01-06-2006, 07:55 PM

I liked David Brent more than I like Michael Scott, and found David funnier and more sympathetic because I could pity him while still finding him obnoxious. Brent skated a fine line while Michael is just a jerk and a buffoon and it's hard to find him sympathetic at all (even though I think Carell is very good and Michael is stillfunny)
Agreed, I think Carell is great in this role and he's done a great job of creating a unique character rather than trying to do an Amricanized version of David Brent.

The way David Brent played by the camera by always looking directly at it whenever he was doing or saying something stupid was just brilliant. As if he were looking for some sort of reasurrance from the audience.

JYoung

01-06-2006, 08:02 PM

Anyone see the deleted scenes from this episode?
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Office/video/video_deleted_booze.shtml

They are a riot!
(In spite of the annoying interface and PSAs)

balboa dave

01-06-2006, 10:15 PM

Anyone see the deleted scenes from this episode?
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Office/video/video_deleted_booze.shtml

They are a riot!
(In spite of the annoying interface and PSAs)Very good. I especially liked the rock star clip.

sfenton

01-06-2006, 11:13 PM

I thought for sure Micheal was going to score with the woman from Corporate (again). She just seemed to be enthralled with him.

mdsutherland

01-06-2006, 11:42 PM

IMO, the Pam/Jim relationship is just lame. I'm not buying it at all, sorry. It reads as a "proximity-crush" to me. And on a woman already in a relationship. The moment on the deck was pathetic. To me it was more like he wasn't going to say anything because he knew his unrealistic fantasy would be smashed into a thousand pieces.

Even if it is a proximity crush it is still a crush. And when you are in a middle of crush you don't know that she is not the one or it wouldn't work. So to Jim Pam is the most perfect women and he longs to be with her. If he ever got he may realize that he was wrong but right now that crush is his truth.

mdsutherland

01-06-2006, 11:51 PM

busyba

01-07-2006, 12:01 AM

And when you are in a middle of crush you don't know that she is not the one or it wouldn't work.
Ain't that the truth! :(

sonnik

01-07-2006, 01:19 AM

I don't think Pam feels as strongly for Jim as he does for her or is in complete denial about it.

Pam probably is in denail, because she is engaged (and as a result, is probably resentful of the possibility she would have feeling for anyone besides Roy).

A few notes:
- In the episode when they were all at Chili's "Dundies", Pam (in a drunken state) seemed to reveal a little bit more about her true feelings. In fact, she almost confided something to Jim on the subject, but we were led to believe that the noticed the documentary camera and then decided not to say it.
- A couple of the other women in the office have noticed the chemistry between Pam and Jim. Angela has even made a couple cracks about it; Pam backed off the Dwight/Angela thing because of those cracks.
- Pam seemed a little jealous when Jim was receiving the calls from the handbag girl, telling Jim to give her his direct extension.

pdhenry

01-07-2006, 07:41 AM

- A couple of the other women in the office have noticed the chemistry between Pam and Jim. Angela has even made a couple cracks about it; Pam backed off the Dwight/Angela thing because of those cracks.That's what mde the heart-to-heart at the end of this ep funny - Michael was totally unaware that there was and chemistry at all, and said Jim had to be hiding it really well, "I have a really good radar for these sorts of things..."

DLiquid

01-10-2006, 01:43 PM

"What part of the ship is the sales department?"
"The sails."

I love how Michael didn't even understand the answer, when it was really the perfect answer to his question.

Turnberry

01-11-2006, 11:35 PM

Pam probably is in denail, because she is engaged (and as a result, is probably resentful of the possibility she would have feeling for anyone besides Roy).

Those are exactly my thoughts. Seriously, how long has Pam been with Roy? We know they've been engaged for 3 years. Roy mentioned that Pam was artsy in high school so is it possible they were high school sweethearts and have been dating for 5 years, perhaps even longer? Regardless of the time period, Pam has been in this relationship for a long time so it makes sense that she's scared and is in denial regarding her feelings for Jim. She's scared of the unknown. I think that's why she walked back inside the boat during Jim's awkward silence. As Jim stared her down it probably became apparent to her that it was a "more than friends" moment for the two of them (she iniated this though by stating that she didn't understand Roy and by saying "I don't know"). To ease her fear she leaves the situation. Like you stated above she's reacted the same way when the camera has been on her during special Jim/Pam moments.

We (the viewer) know how Jim feels about Pam. I think the hardest thing to figure out is if Pam's aware of just how strong Jim's feelings are toward her. I think she knows that they have "more than friends" feelings toward one another, but I don't think she understands the depth of Jim's feelings. Will that scene on the boat deck change anything? The next time we see them in the office will they revert back to there old flirting ways or will things be weird. It's going to be interesting......

ccagle

01-11-2006, 11:45 PM

great episode

MickeS

01-12-2006, 12:39 AM

I atually like the Michael Scott character. Well, not "like" in "I would be his friend in real life", because he IS a jerk. :)

But I have a lotof sympathy for him. He is a classic example of someone with extremely low self-confidence, trying to hide it behind being a buffoon and a bully, while also trying to be a friend, and hoping people will like him. A small, touching moment was in the Christmas party episode, at the end when everyone was leaving for the after-party at the bar, and Phyllis' boyfriend asked Michael if he wanted to come. Michael's face and reaction said a lot in that short moment.

I did not like Carell'sportrayalof Michael at all in the beginning, but I must say he's managed to turn out a nice character portrait. Which also is funny as hell. :)

jschuur

01-17-2006, 08:14 PM

Digging up and old thread, I know, but this new interview (http://www.givememyremote.com/2006/01/exclusive-interview-with-stars-of.html) sheds some light on the Pam/Roy connection:

GMMR: Jenna, why do you think Pam stays with Roy? After a three year engagement, many women might have cut their losses and moved on.

JENNA: Pam has been with Roy for over 10 years. They were high school sweethearts. Roy is really the only boyfriend Pam has ever had. He is secure and trustworthy and very, very, predictable. Pam likes these things. That is a lot of history to just throw away. When I try to understand why she doesn’t break up with Roy, I always imagine what her life must be like outside of the office. She is tight with Roy’s family and he is tight with hers. Roy goes to her Dad’s house to help fix things while Pam and her Mom go shopping at the outlet mall. They probably BBQ with the family on the weekends. Roy’s brother has a kid that Pam is really close to and who calls her Aunt Pam. Stuff like that. I just keep waiting for Pam to get the courage to be uncertain about things. I want her to pursue her passion of illustrating and to realize that she deserves more than just reliability from a relationship.
10 years! Zoiks!