Nip/Tuck 11.29

[Robynitra]

Okay, this show is getting better for me, now that the silly storylines are fading away. Did anyone else watch last night's episode? Should clear up any confusion about what happened to Kimber. To me, there was just not a chance that she was going to back out on her wedding to Christian. Not a chance.

So, as to who the Carver could be, I honestly think we have to rule out Matt. The Carver is skilled with the knife, which should point us to someone who has at least some medical training. I don't think that when the Carver started, Matt had any motive. He was happy and in love at the time. And remember, the Carver didn't seek out McNamara/Troy. Sean decided to start doing pro-bono stuff because Julia brought the story in the paper about another victim to his attention.

How close are we to the season finale? I'm pretty glad this show just got better again!

R.

[iDriveX]

Oh the Carver is soooooo Quentin. I think the storyline about the "hate" just brought it all home. Quentin is one F'd up MoFo. Nip/Tuck keeps breaking the rules, I think this is the first "mainstream" non-HBO/Showtime television show to portray graphic male/male consensual sex that way.

All I can really say about the show last night....Creepy. The music, the storylines, everything....not scary....not funny....creepy. Well Creepy and really good.....but mostly creepy.

[MikeMar]

I am enjoying this again, there def was a few show lul that was kinda crappy.

[pendragn]

This episode was good. I'm on board with the Quentin must be the carver folks.

tk

[NYGD1424]

Quentin is way too obvious. Matt looks like it could be him, but really...he would rape his own dad? I know on Nip/Tuck alot of things happen, but would they really allow that?! My first choice (before mistakingly going for Kimber) was Gina and now I'm back to her. She kidnapped Kimber because she didn't want them to get married...ugh the suspense is driving me crazy!

[e30mpwrd]

My first choice (before mistakingly going for Kimber) was Gina and now I'm back to her. She kidnapped Kimber because she didn't want them to get married...ugh the suspense is driving me crazy!
Can't be Gina unless she has help; she was shown clearly sitting in the front pew of the Church (funny for someone that wasn't invited) when Kimber was abducted.

I think it has to be Quentin unless it's someone wacky...like maybe the cop that was investigating the hate crimes and was so schocked that someone had left Christian at altar.

[NoThru22]

I don't see any reason why it couldn't be the obvious choice. This isn't Sherlock Holmes and we don't know if the producers are going to pander to the lowest common denominator.

[marcello696]

The Carver is Liz. After tonight it is so obvious to me now. Liz has the medical training with the knife and also the knowledge to immobilize someone via injection. She hates Christian and she knows all of Sean's dirty laundry plus all the pro-bono work that is being done to fix the Carver's handy work. We know it is an established character and the wedding eliminated my first pick Julia, Kimber and Gina so your left with Quentin (too obvious), Matt (all of his troubles with transsexuals and racists leave him too busy to be the Carver) and finally Liz who IMO has the motive and also has the proper skills to pull it off.

[iDriveX]

Nope, totally not Liz. Liz is a KIND person. The writers have established that. She is a lesbian that wanted to have a child with Christian. She loves animals. She couldn't hurt a living thing. She has shown no inklings of being a carver. Unless the writers write some sort of delusional skitzo piece for her, it's Quentin. Get over it.

[tbowie]

First, I don't think it is Quintin since they have repeated said in interviews that it was someone we knew from the second season.

The Carver is Liz. After tonight it is so obvious to me now. Liz has the medical training with the knife and also the knowledge to immobilize someone via injection. She hates Christian and she knows all of Sean's dirty laundry plus all the pro-bono work that is being done to fix the Carver's handy work. We know it is an established character and the wedding eliminated my first pick Julia, Kimber and Gina so your left with Quentin (too obvious), Matt (all of his troubles with transsexuals and racists leave him too busy to be the Carver) and finally Liz who IMO has the motive and also has the proper skills to pull it off.

I am starting to lean this way as well. I thought it could be Matt -- especially with all of his rage issues, but I am starting to think he is less likely.

[tetspa]

Since the Carver kidnapped Kimber at her wedding, you can rule out all the people invited to the wedding and in the chappel - that leaves Quintin - he wasn't seen at all during the wedding.

Dark horse is still that defrocked plastic surgeon who cut off his own face last season.

[spartanstew]

Wow, what a creepy episode.

Brown paper bag, carver, quentin, racism.

I've never seen an episode of any other show that portrayed all the sex as angry. All of it was about rage. Intense.

[EchoBravo]

Is it wrong if I laughed during the bag scene?

<royalty wave> Your humiliation amuses me.

...only those weren't tears of humiliation. <sigh>

[madscientist]

Did anyone else notice the "knife" sound effect they used throughout this episode? It happened at every major emotional point in the show (and there were a LOT in this show); a kind of subtle metallic swish. Very effective, I thought.

As for the Carver, it's definitely not Liz. Or Matt. Or Julia or Gina since the wedding (although Gina wasn't invited originally she showed up to offer Kimber her old diaphragm as a wedding present... how touching! And, Kimber probably invited her to stay).

I haven't read any of the interviews where people involved with the show said the Carver was a regular character but if that's true I think it has to be Quentin. Maybe they're trying the old reverse physchology on us: make it so obvious that it's Quentin that we believe it can't be Quentin... then Surprise!! It's Quentin!

[LifeIsABeach]

If the Carver is Liz wouldn't Christian have to know it is a woman? If he could easily tell the difference between having sex with a real woman and a post-op, then even if it is new to him I'm sure he could tell if he was penetrated with the real thing or a plastic toy. Or are those things really realistic now-a-days? :confused:

[NoThru22]

Quentin has been around since the second season. He was the guy they called in to help fix Shawn's face. The only reason I don't think it's him is the fact they said they called him in from Atlanta, which is about a seven hour drive away from Miami. I'm not saying it's not going to turn out to be him, though.

[daperlman]

Is it wrong if I laughed during the bag scene?

<royalty wave> Your humiliation amuses me.

...only those weren't tears of humiliation. <sigh>
I guess being asked to cover one's face is pretty humiliating to most people. I just figure if you are going to go that far, why not make her wear some silly mask (like Dr.Ruth or something). At least then her and her therapist could look back on it and laugh someday.

Anyhow I thought the comment of the night was Christian telling Quentin, he might check down the street where he heard a bunch of sailors checked in for Fleet Week.

[marcello696]

Nope, totally not Liz. Liz is a KIND person. The writers have established that. She is a lesbian that wanted to have a child with Christian. She loves animals. She couldn't hurt a living thing. She has shown no inklings of being a carver. Unless the writers write some sort of delusional skitzo piece for her, it's Quentin. Get over it.

Establishing a character as a kind person is exactly the way to make it a complete shocker when they turn out to be crazy. Once again think about it the writers are going out of their way to make you think it is Quentin so IMO that eliminates him, Matt already has his storyline going and I dont even think Nip Tuck is bold enough to have Matt rape his own father. We already know we can eliminate Kimber, Julia, Gina, Sean, and Christian since they were either at the wedding or already attacked by the Carver. I went back and watched the wedding scene and Liz is not in the crowd so do the math she is the only logical person left to be the Carver. IMO she has the skills and the motive to do it. Just remember who said it first :D

[madscientist]

I guess being asked to cover one's face is pretty humiliating to most people. I just figure if you are going to go that far, why not make her wear some silly mask (like Dr.Ruth or something). At least then her and her therapist could look back on it and laugh someday.I think the idea was a direct reference to the "jokes" about unattractive people wearing paper bags... there are many variants. Just asking her to wear some mask would not have had nearly the same impact, humiliation-wise. It seemed like Christian was trying to push her into having enough self-respect to reject the humiliation and at the same time, working out his anger at women. Remember when she came to visit him in his office and he asked if she'd finally found enough self-respect to tell him off.

That was a truly horrible plotline, but I had to smile a bit when it turns out she's a masochist and for all Christian's attempts to humiliate her, it turns out that's exactly what she likes. Sheesh. Christian just can't win for losing! :o

[Havana Brown]

Did anyone else notice the "knife" sound effect they used throughout this episode? It happened at every major emotional point in the show (and there were a LOT in this show); a kind of subtle metallic swish. Very effective, I thought.



I noticed that too. I thought at first that it was something like when the tv stations show a little icon on the bottom of the screen for upcoming shows.

What a sick, sick, show. I love it! :D

[pmyers]

Am I the only one that thinks that the scene with Kimber and the Carver could have possibly just been in Christian's head?

And I too heard that constant scissor/knife sound effect, but I found it quite distracting.

[Robynitra]

I also thought that the scene with Kimber and the Carver might have been in Christian's head. But I think it really happened. Its just the storyline that they're going to manipulate to bring out the Carver once and for all. My question is about Kimber being held hostage. It didn't look like she was tied up, and the Carver was obviously abusing her because she was frightened when he approached her. But he wasn't there the whole time, why not run? She wasn't drugged because she had the ability to sit up and write the letter. Why isn't she trying to get away?

Okay, couple of things. Remember back when Christian was in jail and he set it up so that the Carver would strike again to get the credit back? Who all knew that he was in jail for that crime? Liz knew, and she thought he was guilty. I'm trying to think of who would want to clear Christian's name. Also remember, he was in there because someone had access to his place and got a used condom with his DNA. Who would have a key? Not Liz.

If they said it was an established character, that could be any character that appeared in any one or two episodes, not necessarily a main character. Revealing that it was a main character will eliminate that character from the show entirely. Do we really want that to happen to anyone we know? I'm still thinking its someone that we're overlooking, a recurring character but not a main character that we see every week. Hey, maybe it was Annie, she seems to have dropped off the radar and she wasn't at the wedding either.

[Robynitra]

One more thought, is it possible that the Carver is more than one person or at least has an accomplise? Doubtful, but I think its possible.

I didn't notice the knife sound, at least, it didn't strike me in this episode. But the music as a whole did strike me and really added to my emotional involvment. Loved it.

[pmyers]

There is NO way it's Gena as why would she/carver be wearing the mask and disguising the voice if Kimber already knew it was her?

Okay, couple of things. Remember back when Christian was in jail and he set it up so that the Carver would strike again to get the credit back? Who all knew that he was in jail for that crime? Liz knew, and she thought he was guilty. I'm trying to think of who would want to clear Christian's name. Also remember, he was in there because someone had access to his place and got a used condom with his DNA. Who would have a key? Not Liz.

IIRC the Carver striked again after the story went public when Christian "leaked" it to the press....so everybody knew he was in the clink.

[Amnesia]

At first I thought it was Quentin, but at the beginning of this episode we had the scene with the cop and I got a really funny vibe from him.

I now think he's the Carver...

[pmyers]

... My question is about Kimber being held hostage. It didn't look like she was tied up, and the Carver was obviously abusing her because she was frightened when he approached her. But he wasn't there the whole time, why not run? She wasn't drugged because she had the ability to sit up and write the letter. Why isn't she trying to get away?...

It looked to me that she was in some type of cell or something similiar. They showed the carver moving a gate of some type.

[LlamaLarry]

I thought it was a warehouse/freight elevator.

[pmyers]

does anybody have an actual link to this, now infamous interview that has been spoke of for the past year?

[madscientist]

There is NO way it's Gena as why would she/carver be wearing the mask and disguising the voice if Kimber already knew it was her?You know, I was actually writing something related to this in last week's thread when my browser did something funky, then I forgot about it. I was saying that Kimber was sitting in front of that huge mirror in her wedding dress, and she would obviously easily see anyone who came into the room behind her. So, whomever it was can't have come in dressed as the Carver (or really, any weird disguise), or Kimber would scream, and surely someone would be able to hear that in the church!! Plus, then they have to get her out of there. So, they must have come in without any costume on, which kind of implies it was someone Kimber knew (I guess he could have pretended to be delivering flowers or something). But, then in this episode he/she shows up dressed as the Carver and with the voice thing again, and as you say, why would he/she bother if Kimber already knew what he/she looked like? Oh well.
IIRC the Carver striked again after the story went public when Christian "leaked" it to the press....so everybody knew he was in the clink.Yes. Christian's plan wasn't that the Carver would want to free Christian per se, but rather that the Carver would be outraged that someone else (and maybe especially Christian, who is a plastic surgeon and the Carver thinks they are the "anti-Carver") was getting "credit" for his crimes, and that the Carver would make sure that everyone know it was not Christian who had done it. Maybe he hoped this would happen by the police woman getting carved, but he probably suspected it would happen in some way. It was really quite a brilliant move by Christian because, after Sean dissed him, he really had nothing left to lose. What good is the practice to Christian if he's in jail? And, it would have come out sooner or later anyway: it's better sooner so that the amount of time people really think it was him is minimized.

[Robynitra]

I also had originally thought Kimber must have known her attacker, but then why would he/she appear in full out costume later? Maybe that was just for our benefit and not hers. If Kimber knew her attacker, it would be a better reason why she was abducted and not just carved up. That would explain why she didn't scream. Its not like the Carver to abduct anyone, that's a first. He/she doesn't appear to be trying to just prove that beauty is a curse, but inflict actual pain to one particular character, Christian. Or keep Christian for him/herself. After all, instead of just carving up or killing Kimber, the Carver has set Christian free, back to the singles market. Doesn't give the Carver motive for the other assaults, but could be for this one.

I'm not seeing a motive for the Carver to be anyone that we have mentioned. Well, aside from the motive that he/she is a homicidal maniac. I kind of like the cop idea though! Great suspect. And I'm not giving up on my med student that studied with Julia theory. Why else would they plant him at the beginning of the series? He would have met or seen Kimber before, he was at that swingers party where Christian and Kimber went. Was that season 1?

If its a main character that we see week to week, they would need an established motive. I don't see that anyone had a motive back when the carvings started, not even the annoying Quentin. He was depicted as a hero back then, swooping in to fix Sean's face. Don't forget when the carver first came about, Julie just read some article about him in the paper and Sean decided to take action to help the practice's image and his own quest for self worth.

I think I've been watching Lost too long, I'm overanalyzing.

[IndyJones1023]

Getting good again! I knew Kimber was kidnapped by the Carver (my money's on Quentin).

[bigcb37]

Wow...great ep. The paper bag was so wrong...I loved it!

Hmmm....I'm liking the Carver = Liz theory...who came up with that first? I forget...

[HomieG]

Great episode. The hot tub scene with Julia and Quentin was very hot.

[packerfan]

At first I thought it was Quentin, but at the beginning of this episode we had the scene with the cop and I got a really funny vibe from him.

I now think he's the Carver...


I agree. The cop has had a reacurring role since season 2 and I'm starting to think that it might be him also. Everyone else is too obvious.

[iDriveX]

I also had originally thought Kimber must have known her attacker, but then why would he/she appear in full out costume later? Maybe that was just for our benefit and not hers. If Kimber knew her attacker, it would be a better reason why she was abducted and not just carved up. That would explain why she didn't scream. Its not like the Carver to abduct anyone, that's a first. He/she doesn't appear to be trying to just prove that beauty is a curse, but inflict actual pain to one particular character, Christian. Or keep Christian for him/herself. After all, instead of just carving up or killing Kimber, the Carver has set Christian free, back to the singles market. Doesn't give the Carver motive for the other assaults, but could be for this one.

I'm not seeing a motive for the Carver to be anyone that we have mentioned. Well, aside from the motive that he/she is a homicidal maniac. I kind of like the cop idea though! Great suspect. And I'm not giving up on my med student that studied with Julia theory. Why else would they plant him at the beginning of the series? He would have met or seen Kimber before, he was at that swingers party where Christian and Kimber went. Was that season 1?

If its a main character that we see week to week, they would need an established motive. I don't see that anyone had a motive back when the carvings started, not even the annoying Quentin. He was depicted as a hero back then, swooping in to fix Sean's face. Don't forget when the carver first came about, Julie just read some article about him in the paper and Sean decided to take action to help the practice's image and his own quest for self worth.

I think I've been watching Lost too long, I'm overanalyzing.

I see a motive and I see Quentin. Here's how.

Quentin is a good plastic surgeon up in Atlanta, but he's got some mental issues. Who knows why. One day he flips. Again, who knows why and becomes the carver. Why carve in Miami? Because, it has some of the most beautiful women in the world and it is what is causing this "curse". Carve, Carve, Carve. Quentin the Carver is happy.

Then all of a sudden, this group of plastic surgeons, WHO HE KNOWS, decides to start making his band of uglies pretty again! HOW DARE THEY! ALL OF HIS HARD WORK, REVERSING THE CURSE THAT BEAUTY HAS ON THE WORLD. He'll show them a lesson, he'll carve Sean and really hammer his point home.

OMG This idiot didn't get it. He's still fixing my beauties. Well I'll show him. I'll ruin his practice by carving his partner and sodomizing him. That'll get his partner out of the business and then he'll go bankrupt. Except that a wrench was thrown into the plan, Sean unwillingly called the carver to have him come work for him.

Now, either Quentin has Multiple Personality Disorder OR he is a sociopath. He goes to work for Sean. Weird stuff happens, he makes that one fake carver victim stay paralyzed during the surgery, etc. Christian REALLY starts to get on his nerves and he realizes that Christian is the real one that is making this curse happen.

How can he hurt Christian more than he already has?

By stealing the one woman Christian loves and making him think he has been rejected. And that's exactly what he did and Christian is a broken broken man. The carver has succeeded. And now, he's going to hurt them in his alter-ego of Quentin. He's going to go work for Julia. And he's going to stop at nothing to put McNamara/Troy out of business and hurt the people they love as The Carver.

[dago]

what happened to the doc from season one, the one that operated on the dog.

i could see him doing this.. loosing his licence, definitely has a grudge against sean and christian.

[Amnesia]

Merril Bobolit.

He's too short/small...

[madscientist]

Anyway, Bobolit is dead. Operated on his own face when he was under the influence of some kind of drug... gas? At least, I'm pretty sure he's dead.

[NoThru22]

On myspace.com the Carver has a profile and on the link to it there is an animation of Quentin wearing the Carver mask and then taking it off. To me, this is proof it's not him. Obvious misdirection.

[Amnesia]

Why would anything on myspace.com affect your view of Quentin as Carver one way or another?

[NoThru22]

Because it's a profile set up by the producers of the show.

[Amnesia]

How do you know it's set up by the show? Anyone could set that up...

[sara42980]

On myspace the Carver has a profile and on the link to it there is an animation of Quentin wearing the Carver mask and then taking it off. To me, this is proof it's not him. Obvious misdirection.



On myspace , the animation changes each time you go back to the site. they've animated christian, liz, etc. taking off the mask, so I don't think that has anything to do with who the carver is. also, if you are a myspace member, if you include the carver in your favorites, in the profile the carver's sex is female and body type is athletic. the carver's hometown is listed as northern maine...does anyone know of a character on the show that came from northern maine?

[sushikitten]

does anybody have an actual link to this, now infamous interview that has been spoke of for the past year?

I think this one might be it. Or at least close. From ew.com:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1102552_3|86111|233618|1_0_,00.html

I was the only one who knew who the Carver was — now all the writers know. We signed a blood oath. The weird thing is, the Carver was a throwaway episode that immediately saw a spike in the ratings. People liked the gore and scariness of it. It's an interesting character because what he's doing is really no different than what plastic surgeons are doing. They are both carving and butchering people. Every time that character went on, from episode 7 to the end, our ratings grew.

This whole season will be about Carver madness. It will be somebody we know. It's always a horrible cheat when it's someone like a neighbor who you met once, and they're the killer. I like how this show has not done the obvious. The Carver can be a him or a her. The last scene of the final episode this season is when we'll learn who the Carver is.

Or maybe not. :)

[busyba]

Or maybe not. :)

Well, the TiVo Guide data for that episode includes:
"...the identity of the Carver is revealed"

[newsposter]

I've heard of needing a bag for a girl but this was a bit too much. Still it's all on her as she didn't have to go through with it. bizarre folk these are.