Lost 10/12/05 "Everybody Hates Hugo" ***SPOILERS***

[Hathor46]

Com'mon, where are you guys? =)

[jlb]

Granted, the usual thing is to put "spoilers" in the thread title, but since it is not yet, I'll spoilerize my first comment......

In Hurley's "dream", when he is drinking the carton of milk, it had one of the ol' (they still do, right?) "Missing Child" things on the back. I'm watching live in my hotel, so it is hard to confirm, but it looked like they put Walt on the carton......Cool!

[Hathor46]

Yikes, I knew I forgot something. Where's an admin with God like powers to change it?

[Todd]

Granted, the usual thing is to put "spoilers" in the thread title, but since it is not yet, I'll spoilerize my first comment......

In Hurley's "dream", when he is drinking the carton of milk, it had one of the ol' (they still do, right?) "Missing Child" things on the back. I'm watching live in my hotel, so it is hard to confirm, but it looked like they put Walt on the carton......Cool!
I went back and looked and it's possible, but I couldn't tell for sure, even in HD...

[Todd]

Well, I guess we now know how Jing speaks English! lol

[jlb]

An now we see the outside of the "other" hatch exit.........cool too.

[desaun]

Call me crazy...but did Sawyer say the "F" word when Ana-Lucia (?) popped in the head with the rock???

[Magister]

Don't gotta say spoiler in title, assumed spoilers if you directly specify the episode.

[Test]

RANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDY

was that lockes randy? looked like him and his name was randy

[Hathor46]

I figured it out and fixed it. =)

[jlb]

Ok, call me stupid (or smeek), but who is Randy?

[Hathor46]

ewww..........

[jlb]

Ok......

Hurley and "Randy" looking at Driveshaft CD's in the music store.....

The square "pillars" under the main level of the hatch looked like the Mars power station in Total Recall.....

Kate...shower....hot!

Libby tells Sawyer there were 23 in the back of the plane......

Hatch/bunker on the other part of the island....saw the dharma logo, but couldn't make out which symbol was in the middle......

Libby saying there were 23, which we can now assume means that part of their group got sick and died. Maybe part of the experiment was to introduce something to one group but not the other(s) and see what happens similarly or differently....

[jlb]

I really liked the episode. I liked seeing my consulting mantra...."It is what it is"......Sun burying the messages from the raft...very touching in not wanting to break up the mood on the island during the "feast".

You're lead to believe the episode is going to be about "hate" based on the title, but it turns out that while people hate fear of the unknown and all, change can be good.

Anyone with HD (or at least anyone from a non-hotel location....or anyone in a hotel with a Video iPod) able to tell what symbol was in the middle of the Dharma logo in the other bunker.........

[Rob Helmerichs]

Libby saying there were 23, which we can now assume means that part of their group got sick and died.
...or were killed by the Others...

[danieljanderson]

The feast reminded me of the scene in Shawshank where the guys all got to have a beer together. They knew they were in the same hell, but for a short time they felt like regular people.

[firerose818]

I adored this episode...there were some fantastic lines!

"It IS Jesus...he wants to know what color car you want!"

"...and the baby is made of chocolate lollipops..."

I also loved Hurley singing the Driveshaft song in the record store.

-Rose

[MitchO]

And virtually everyone in the country now feels guilty, because we all assumed that it was the black guy who was Bernard. Thanks a lot, JJ~

[danieljanderson]

bisgspaceship1 is different again.

I don't know how to copy and paste the morse code.

[scheckeNYK]

Have we ruled out canibalism?

[Hathor46]

...or were killed by the Others...

or eaten for dinner.

[danieljanderson]

Should some of the web stuff be spolierized?
For you are a magnet and I am steel is what I hear on bigspaceship1

still not sure about the code

[desaun]

Checked the symbol on the Dharma logo in the other bunker...looks like a cross.

Again...did anyone notice Sawyer say the "F" word when Ana threw the rock at his head in the hole??

I get the feeling that the Apollo candy bar holds some significance or will at some point considering Rose stuffed one in her pocket (possibly holding it for Bernard).

Looking at the title, I completely thought that Hurley was going to mistakenly blow up the food supply then everyone would definitely Hate Hugo.

[Fool Me Twice]

The sudden change in Charlie's behavior was lazy writing. The writers needed to parallel Hurley's life-changing lottery win with his new responsibility in the Hatch, but they didn't bother build Charlie's emotion. A transition scene would've been much less jarring for me.

I still have a pet peeve with people keeping secrets on the island. I understand Locke keeping the Hatch secret early on because that's Locke's character, but everyone should be told about the bottle.

In all though, it was a good episode. We advanced Hurley's backstory a little, we advanced the tail-section story a little, we advanced the Hatch story a little. I'm sure there were some clue's dropped as well (and I'm off to watch the episode again ;)). Just the kind of multi-micro-plot-advancement that I love.

[svenhummer]

So is Lost just one of those shows that keeps its audience by never really resolving anything, or do the writers take their sweet time with everything?

[svenhummer]

I understand Locke keeping the Hatch secret early on because that's Locke's character, but everyone should be told about the bottle. .
What is the bottle all about?

[Todd]

Again...did anyone notice Sawyer say the "F" word when Ana threw the rock at his head in the hole??

I just played it back with CC and he says "son of a bitch". If you listen closely, that's plausible.

[Fool Me Twice]

That's definitely Walt on the milk carton. Hilarious! Perfect for a Hurley dream sequence. Just his sense of humour.

[jlb]

bisgspaceship1 is different again.

I don't know how to copy and paste the morse code.

Yeah, Alvin and the Chipmunks singing You are a Magnet.....

This thought about that site....The outline of the gasmask is red while everything else is b&w. when it was just the polar bears, there was a red dot that appeared briefly when the bears were in the middle of the screen.....

Now....didn't someone previously mention that they thought some of the plot mirrored M. Night S's The Villiage? Well, also, in his 6th Sense, he used the color red as a cue/clue, but you would never really know that until you watch the extras after the fact. Who knows........

[ToddAtl]

Good episode as usual, it looks like we are starting to actually move towards some resolution and lifting away some of the mystery.

[MikeMar]

I wish they would do less back story and more island story

[Skittles]

Checked the symbol on the Dharma logo in the other bunker...looks like a cross.Yes it was... I had to go back again and check, but sure enough, it a different Dharma logo.

I suspect this is not the same sbunker (and possibly an entirely different island altogether).. and this is another Phase of the Dharma Project.

Kind of a shaky episode. Some of the Hurley stuff was REALLY insightful, albeit poorly paced. And almost all the Charlie scenes felt wrong, with bad writing and some weak character motivation. A few chuckle moments, though.

[desaun]

I just played it back with CC and he says "son of a bitch". If you listen closely, that's plausible.

Wow, it's so close though, it almost incomprehensible. Took me about 4/5 listens. Thanks for the heads up.

[MikeMar]

Well the other survivors got "lucky" by finding a bunker pretty quickly huh

[Magister]

What is the bottle all about?

The bottle was given to the guys trying to escape the raft. Since it isn't on the raft anymore, they may assume the raft guys didn't make it.

[MikeMar]

The bottle had messages each person had for someone if they made it.

[Fool Me Twice]

Somebody, please slap Ana! (Rambina, as poor Sawyer called her.)

[jlb]

Somebody, please slap Ana! (Rambina, as poor Sawyer called her.)

Rambina sounds a lot like Rimbaldi.......

JJ, please get your shows straght! ;)

[MitchO]

Well I'm assuming the thing with Ana is that because they ran into the Others and/or generally had a harsher time up til now, they fell into more of a Lord of the Flies type scenario where they have a distinct hierarchy. She's tough because she "has to be".

[jwjody]

Somebody, please slap Ana! (Rambina, as poor Sawyer called her.)
I'm hoping Kate slaps her around when the two groups meet up.

J

[Fool Me Twice]

I'm hoping Kate slaps her around when the two groups meet up.

J
CAT FIGHT! :eek:

[dswallow]

Granted, the usual thing is to put "spoilers" in the thread title, but since it is not yet, I'll spoilerize my first comment.....
Since the thread title has the episode date or number it is automatically considered to be containing spoilers for that episode. It's in the forum rules/guidelines. Putting "spoiler" in the title is redundant.

[uncdrew]

So I'm picturing Hurley having had the:

"So if you could eat any one thing right now, what would it be?"

conversation with just about everyone on the island within the first few weeks. So I suppose he was able to pass out stuff to everyone and get most people what they wanted most. Not bad.

[JLWINE]

As far as I am concerned--this was another great episode.

I couldn't make out who was in the duck suit, does anyone know?

[Fool Me Twice]

"...stay gold, Pony Boy..."

I laughed at that reference.

I'm not sure why Hurley was so afraid of collecting his lottery winnings. His life sucked and he didn't yet know about the "Numbers". I understand wanting to ask the girl out first, but other than that, he should've been excited about his windfall. Unless there's more to his backstory that we haven't seen yet...

[Fool Me Twice]

Chicken suit. Not duck suit. And I was just about to ask if anyone knew who it was.

[dswallow]

How exactly does the store owner remember who bought the winning ticket, anyway?

[uncdrew]

Chicken suit. Not duck suit. And I was just about to ask if anyone knew who it was.

Wasn't it his boss from Clucky's Chicken?

[uncdrew]

How exactly does the store owner remember who bought the winning ticket, anyway?


I kinda wondered that too. And they strongly implied that Hurley's friend "broke up with him" afterwards. Why?

Hurley woulda hooked him up bigtime, and they seemed tight. I know things change and blah blah blah, but it still didn't jive with me.

[vertigo235]

They don't... that would be impossible.

[jeff125va]

I kinda wondered that too. And they strongly implied that Hurley's friend "broke up with him" afterwards. Why?

Hurley woulda hooked him up bigtime, and they seemed tight. I know things change and blah blah blah, but it still didn't jive with me.
Can only guess that he remembered the numbers Hurley picked? Hurley's a pretty recognizable guy, not sure I'd say the same about the numbers, but maybe they don't sell a whole lot of tickets.

[jeff125va]

or eaten for dinner.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that, but by the end it didn't seem to be the case.

[MitchO]

Hurley doesn't .. stand out, to you? =P

[JLWINE]

I'm not sure why Hurley was so afraid of collecting his lottery winnings. His life sucked and he didn't yet know about the "Numbers". I understand wanting to ask the girl out first, but other than that, he should've been excited about his windfall. Unless there's more to his backstory that we haven't seen yet...

Yeah perhaps he has always been afraid of change. Many people truly are.

[JLWINE]

Chicken suit. Not duck suit. And I was just about to ask if anyone knew who it was.

Don't try to "duck" my question............................sorry :)

[MitchO]

I kinda wondered that too. And they strongly implied that Hurley's friend "broke up with him" afterwards. Why?

Hurley woulda hooked him up bigtime, and they seemed tight. I know things change and blah blah blah, but it still didn't jive with me.

Well, here's what I got out of that .. it "started" with the friend. Even before he knew Hurley hit, he jokingly asked him for 2 dollars for the drink (at that moment, I thought we were about to see another car crash, btw). My impression was that afterward the friend kept coming back for more. Afterall, just as he said, "That's how it starts ... one jar of peanut butter for the cute blonde and her ... island baby." :)

I figured Hurley saw how the friendship with the guy changed after the lottery because the guy ended up seeing Hurley more and more as a place for a loan and less and less of a friend. They were only good friends when they were both financial equals.

[JLWINE]

How exactly does the store owner remember who bought the winning ticket, anyway?

Surveillance cameras that are time coded could be match up to the same time the computer indicates the winning ticket was sold.

[jkeegan]

Wow my weeks really do now revolve around Wednesdays..

Liked how in Hurley's dream, every time his old manager in the chicken suit blinked, we heard one of the alarm beeps.

Great preview twist.. No, you're speaking Korean.. :)

I thought we should have seen a bit more of the flashback.. well, then again, I wouldn't want to have missed any of the island stuff.. Ugh..

When he first said "everyone is going to hate me", for a split second I thought he meant because people were going to figure out that he knew the numbers, and that he was the reason everyone was there.. Then it clicked that he meant because he was gatekeeper of the food, and that was a particularly neat thing to mirror between flashback and reality.. The only downside is that a) Charlie's anger was too abrupt, as has been stated, and b) we didn't get to see more of what happened with his friend (it's merely all implied, and if we do see it covered someday it will probably just be as a backdrop for some more interesting story line).

Loved seeing Jack/Sayid under the hatch, and liked Sayid's comment about the only time he heard of concrete poured like that was in Chernobyl..

"You owe the company for an 8-piece dark meat combo."

Totally wanted to see Sawyer clock Anna with that rock..

When Locke told Hurley that he'd worked at a whole bunch of places that he didn't want to, I thought "yeah, probably including HIS box factory!". Almost expected to have Locke leak something about that there, revealing that Locke knew who Hurley really was (even more than having been the first person I think we saw to call him Hugo).

$2 sale bin. :)

One of the first things I said outlod during the first flashback was "hey - he didn't know the numbers were bad yet here..."

"Misunderstanding is when you bring me lemonade instead of iced tea"

I really liked that Hurley never actually went to cash in the ticket.. it kind of descended upon him with the crowd..

So Desmond was only gonna have enough food for another 3 months, eh? If this is really an experiment and they weren't planning to sacrifice the participants, I wonder if we'll see a supply shipment arrive in 90 days.. Might as well round that up to 108 days. :)

Really liked the actor that played Bernard. Great scene..

Oh yeah, one last thing.. So now Shannon thinks Walt is probably dead - I wonder what she's thinking about that vision..

[uncdrew]

Well, here's what I got out of that .. it "started" with the friend. Even before he knew Hurley hit, he jokingly asked him for 2 dollars for the drink (at that moment, I thought we were about to see another car crash, btw). My impression was that afterward the friend kept coming back for more. Afterall, just as he said, "That's how it starts ... one jar of peanut butter for the cute blonde and her ... island baby." :)

I figured Hurley saw how the friendship with the guy changed after the lottery because the guy ended up seeing Hurley more and more as a place for a loan and less and less of a friend. They were only good friends when they were both financial equals.

Yeah, I'll buy that.

I was just struck by the looks the friend gave Hurley when he realized Hurley won. I woulda been jumping up and down and rushing over. Hurley's friend seemed upset and already dumping him.

[jeff125va]

Yeah perhaps he has always been afraid of change. Many people truly are.
Well, maybe, but I think it was amplified after winning the lottery. His resistance to his mom's nagging about his weight and his job didn't really seem to stem from fear so much as just being happy with his life the way it was. His resistance to his job on the island seemed to be related to not wanting to be in a position where he had, or had control of, that which everyone else wanted. That seems more related to what happened after winning the lottery, not necessarily always having been afraid of change.

[hefe]

Yeah, I'll buy that.

I was just struck by the looks the friend gave Hurley when he realized Hurley won. I woulda been jumping up and down and rushing over. Hurley's friend seemed upset and already dumping him.
I think the speed of the change was some dramatic license to tell the story, but I thought it was great getting more perspective on why Hurley feels the way he does.

We also know Hurley spent some time in a mental hospital, and that wasn't addressed tonight. He seems like a sensitive person.

[w1ngman]

I think Hurley's reluctance to change has everything to do with even waaay-more backstory on his life than the point of winning the lottery. First he was in a psych ward...okay, why? Something drove him there.

As for the friend being "pissed"...well, maybe it was "Hurley, you punk! You quit your job today because your a fokin' multi-millionaire! I quite cuz I thought I was just being cool with you. Today, you're rich. TOMORROW I'm looking for a job. Thanks for nothin'!"

As for Charlie's quick anger / poor acting... Not buying that as poor scripting. Remember, he has discovered a hunk of heroin from that downed drug smuggler plane. I don't even begin to pretend that he's over his BIG addiction yet.

Good episode. NEVER considered looking at the milk carton :smack:...and now I deleted the episode after viewing it twice. I'll now remember to keep it for the week to review against posts here ;).

[w1ngman]

Ooops! Sorry it took me longer to type & press send? :p

[Jeeters]

The sudden change in Charlie's behavior was lazy writing. The writers needed to parallel Hurley's life-changing lottery win with his new responsibility in the Hatch, but they didn't bother build Charlie's emotion. A transition scene would've been much less jarring for me.
And almost all the Charlie scenes felt wrong, with bad writing and some weak character motivation.
I think we're going to find out that Charlie is back on the drugs. And his behavior is going to get noticed by others. We're just the first to notice his change. Perhaps they coulda showed us him taking the drugs, but why make us privy to that when nobody else on the island knows about it?

[hefe]

I think we're going to find out that Charlie is back on the drugs. And his behavior is going to get noticed by others. We're just the first to notice his change. Perhaps they coulda showed us him taking the drugs, but why make us privy to that when nobody else on the island knows about it?
Yeah...you save that for a Charlie backstory epidsode...

[Fool Me Twice]

Song playing on record player during Hurley's dream-sequence: Up On The Roof - The Drifters (http://www.lyricsdownload.com/the-drifters-up-on-the-roof-lyrics.html).

Song playing on record player during the Hurley-Rose conversation: MY CONVERSATION (Slim Smith) (http://hjem.get2net.dk/sbn/slim_s/my_conve.txt).

I couldn't make out the song playing on the radio when Hurley and his friend were in the van...

[Test]

randy was lockes "boss/manager" in walkabout remember the nerd that was harassing him at lunch...and im pretty sure RANDY was hurleys manager again in this ep...

and the guy in the duck suit was the store owner....i think

bernard...wasnt he the principal in growing pains?

and yea it looks like they found another "hatch"

guessin the apollo bar is for bernards sweet tooth

[hc130radio]

...or were killed by the Others...

or they ate each other for food?

[DevdogAZ]

I think Hurley's reluctance to change has everything to do with even waaay-more backstory on his life than the point of winning the lottery. First he was in a psych ward...okay, why? Something drove him there.

As for the friend being "pissed"...well, maybe it was "Hurley, you punk! You quit your job today because your a fokin' multi-millionaire! I quite cuz I thought I was just being cool with you. Today, you're rich. TOMORROW I'm looking for a job. Thanks for nothin'!"

As for Charlie's quick anger / poor acting... Not buying that as poor scripting. Remember, he has discovered a hunk of heroin from that downed drug smuggler plane. I don't even begin to pretend that he's over his BIG addiction yet.

Good episode. NEVER considered looking at the milk carton :smack:...and now I deleted the episode after viewing it twice. I'll now remember to keep it for the week to review against posts here ;).
Totally agree with your take on why the friend was pissed at Hurley. They had just spent a whole day together and Hurley hadn't told him this gigantic secret. It was probably pretty shocking for him to find out his best friend had won the lottery, had let him quit his job and hadn't mentioned a word about it. I'm sure Hurley's life became crazy after it became public that he won. Tons of people wanting things from him, charities calling for donations, long-lost friends showing up out of nowhere, crackpot inventors showing up at his door wanting him to fund their crazy inventions, etc. It was probably very stressful for someone who appeared very content working at a chicken place and watching TV. Island Hurley saw the same thing about to happen again and he was willing to blow all the food up to avoid having to go through it again.

I loved that Jack trusted him to dole it out the way he did and I love that Hurley got to play Santa Claus.

[jubrand]

As far as I am concerned--this was another great episode.

I couldn't make out who was in the duck suit, does anyone know?


I think it was the convenience store owner.

After Sayeed's Chernobyl comment, anyone think it's maybe radiation poisoning killing people on the island and the Swan bunker is somehow shielding that side of the island?

The Dharma symbol in the tail section bunker looks pretty similar to the shark one, or at least more like the shark one than the Swan version.

[Test]

ive been smeeked already and its only the 3rd page...ha jk

http://bigspaceship1.com/

[zobetron]

Bigspaceship1's new morse code is:

NARVIK FOR LIFE

[lpamelaa]

Now....didn't someone previously mention that they thought some of the plot mirrored M. Night S's The Villiage? Well, also, in his 6th Sense, he used the color red as a cue/clue, but you would never really know that until you watch the extras after the fact. Who knows........

HeeHee...that was me. I don't post a lot so it's cool to see some one reference my idea.

Something from the orientation film last week made me think of The Village. The professors coming up with a utopian idea. I'm starting to think that the island is a bunch of abandonded experiements colliding with one another and perpetuated by a "mythology" that's a mixture of passed down messages and dreamt-up explanations by stranded survivors (both Flight 815 and previous).

[hefe]

Is it me, or did the actress playing Rose look different than last season... ?

[jubrand]

ive been smeeked already and its only the 3rd page...ha jk

http://bigspaceship1.com/


Smeeking shouldn't even count on the Lost threads! :D

Count my convenience store owner in the chicken suit as a vote rather than a smeek! :rolleyes:

[Fool Me Twice]

Another reference to Narvik. Last week, as many will remember, the City Hall of Narvik, Norway was shown in the "Orientation" film. I thought it might have been just some generic "Scandinavian" archive footage. But, I guess not.

Narvik was occupied by Nazi Germany during WWII and THF's projects have a vaguely Nazi flavor. On the other hand, "Narvik for life" sounds like a resistance slogan. So, who knows which side Hanso favoured. Maybe he played both sides? He would have been a very young man at the time.

[Fool Me Twice]

Is it me, or did the actress playing Rose look different than last season... ?
The original actress died and she was replaced by the woman who played the oracle in "The Matrix". (kidding)

[brott]

Definitely the Convienence store clerk in the chicken suit.

[hefe]

OK, the website stuff is really getting out of hand now!

http://mrclucks.com/

[getbak]

Is it me, or did the actress playing Rose look different than last season... ?

I thought so too, but according to IMDB, it's the same actress.


I looked through Lost-Media's screen captures from the episode...

Chicken suit guy. (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/1/hugo-cap031.jpg)

Convenience store guy. (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/6a/hugo-cap557.jpg)

Probably the same guy.



Chicken restaurant manager. (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/2a/hugo-cap196.jpg)

Locke's office bully. (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x04-walkabout/walkabout292.jpg)

He looks different, but he's possibly the same guy.



This was bugging through the show...Cynthia Watros (Erin from Titus) is the blonde tail section survivor (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/5/hugo-cap427.jpg).



This is the best grab of the milk carton (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/1/hugo-cap024.jpg) that I could find. It does look like Walt's forehead.

[IndyTom]

OK, the website stuff is really getting out of hand now!

http://mrclucks.com/


Nice catch!

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[Ba Boop]

Definitely the Convienence store clerk in the chicken suit.

Yes it was, and it was Walt on the Milk carton. I haven't read the Earl thread yet, but they had a couple of people both last named Stalker or something on Milk cartons in their show this week. Last week they did an HD only gag, could you make out it was Walt in SD?

[hefe]

Nice catch!

Registrant:
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212-555-5555


Domain Name: MRCLUCKS.COM

Administrative Contact:
One, Mystery mysteryone@aol.com
123 Main St
New York, NY 20001
US
212-555-5555


Technical Contact:
One, Mystery mysteryone@aol.com
123 Main St
New York, NY 20001
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212-555-5555


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OK, this site appears to be related to these guys...
http://www.deltaparkproject.com/index.cfm?page=shows

[getbak]

I tried to clean up the Dharma logo from the tail section's bunker. This is the best I could do.

It definitely doesn't look like a swan.

[Peter000]

I tried to clean up the Dharma logo from the tail section's bunker. This is the best I could do.

It definitely doesn't look like a swan.
To me, the center of the logo looks like an arrow pointed straight up (with "dharma" written across it like in the swan logo). There's an excellent HD shot of it on the right side of the screen as they enter the main room of the bunker. Unfortunately, I don't have the means of getting a grab of it.

Edit: I took a pic of the screen with my camera phone... it doesn't look much better than getbak's pic, but maybe a bit clearer.

http://prospectpost.com/Pics/tailbunkerlogo.jpg

[Mike Farrington]

Nice shot of the logo. Is this the same one as on the shark, except without the word "dharma"? We frequently see the logos without the word Dharma right?

I wonder if its an arrow in the traditional sense of the word, or if its more like a needle of a compass facing north. That might be the Dharma project responsible for the magnetism experiments.

[Jeeters]

Is it me, or did the actress playing Rose look different than last season... ?Yes, she definitely looked different: looks like she lost some weight. Same actress, though.

[Lee L]

On the Mr Clucks site, there is a paragraph symbol on the bottom right. It links to this page. http://www.mrclucks.com/links.html

There is a link there to the MT ST Helems live webcam as well as links to teh ABC page for Alias, Dhrama Industries and some podcast recaps of shows.

Ok, the first podcast says something about the Delta Park Project.

[mask2343]

Where is the monster? Where is the smoke thingie? Why doesn't anyone go explore the island! They are too busy doing laundry? The other door to the hatch was WAY to easy to find. How big is this island anyway.

When Sayid mentioned Chernoble, I thought the sickness could be radiation poisoning. But would that cause a magnetic field? And does anyone know how a geothermal generator works?

[MikeMar]

I def was a fan of the parrallel of Hurley winning the lotto and everyone wanting everything w/ the food, thought that was a great move by the writers.

[Big_Daddy]

Really loved this episode. After the fast pace of reveals over the last 3 episodes (albeit with more questions raised...) it was nice to slow things down a bit with a more character-focused show. I really enjoyed the Hurley flashbacks - this season the flashbacks are more integrated to show why people do what they do on the island, instead of the big "gotcha".

I don't think Charlie's back on the drugs....yet. He was a "player" last season, involved in all the island secrets (the radio transmission, the trip to the cockpit, the Ethan storyline), but got sidetracked with Claire and the Island Baby but still wants to know! I think it was in character for him - but his behavior was still a bit surprising. I wonder if a scene was cut we'll ultimately see on the DVD...

I'm glad we're starting to see more of the "other" castaways like Claire, Shannon, Charlie, and Sun. It looks like Sun will have more to do in the next few episodes...

Why did she hide the bottle? I think it wasn't a "keep a secret" thing - like the hatch was - but more a not wanting to upset the larger group and have them lose hope. Even if you disagree with her hiding this from the others, in her mind she just lost her husband.

When (if?) everyone gets reunited, this will be a nice contrast with Rose, who never lost faith.

[MikeMar]

As much as I love the backstory, I find the island story so much more interesting, so I like the island heavy episodes the best

[JLWINE]

I think Hurley's reluctance to change has everything to do with even waaay-more backstory on his life than the point of winning the lottery. First he was in a psych ward...okay, why? Something drove him there.


Do we know that Hurley was a patient and not a staff member?

[jlb]

Last week they did an HD only gag, could you make out it was Walt in SD?

Yep. It wa sI who first posted this back in the beginning of the thread (around post #3 or #4. I was watching in SD live in a hotel room and when I saw the scene I immediately thought it was Walt. Of course I couldn't go back to check.........Now if I could only feed an output from the TV to my iPod..... ;)

[jeff125va]

I also don't think Charlie is back on the drugs. We know he's pretty religious, I think that's why he took the statue. I think he was just upset about being left out of the loop.

[MikeMar]

I was waiting for the Road Trip guy to bust out a line at the fast food place like 'it's good' ;)

[jlb]

I sort of thought we might get a rousing rendition of "Everything for a buck buck buck" out of Toy Story. I mean....with the new Apple/ABC/Disney/Pixar/iPod deal and all......and how soon until we find someone on the Island has an iPod?

[MikeMar]

Maybe they will make a Tivo out of a tree, then the others will come and break it because they hate apple :)

[snifred]

I don't remember seeing this mentioned, and I just noticed it yesterday. If you go to oceanic-air website (i can't put in the website, since i just joined, i'm blocked from that), there is some hidden text. You can see some words behind the yellow box on the right.


"If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And"

"I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents"

Seems pretty harmless. But one thing that I found yesterday when I first found the text, but can't seem to find today was the name of a scientist hidden there also, Dr. Orin Selenici.

I know there has been a lot of talk about bigspaceship1, but has anyone else gone to bigspaceship1, org? (Again, it won't let me put the site) It lists three scientists, including the guy from the video.

DIVISION STAFF
Dr. Sharon Alva, ORM, DLSM (Oslo, 1968)
Dr. Marvin Candle, MLSM (Berkeley, 1974)
Dr. Orin Selenici, ACA

The hidden name of Orin Selenici, and now that its on that site too is interesting. I know someone found something about the real DeGroot and nuclear research. Anything on the new names here?

[MikeMar]

I'm sure thats been posted before, but thats awesome!

[tecban]

Great episode overall. I loved the storyline with Hurley and the resolution, especially how Jack -- usually so pragmatic -- just said "OK" to the party. Charlie's behavior was plausible to me, feeling out of the loop and seriously smitten with Claire as he is. Considering he hadn't seen the bunker or even trusted that he knew the whole truth, it seemed believable to get really frustrated and angry about being told no by a friend.

I don't think Hurley's lottery moment at the store with his friend was meant to mean they didn't stay friends for a while or that he wasn't happy for him -- I think Hurley just recognizes it as the moment when their friendship changed forever, which he feared so much. Like mentioned above, I'm sure the requests for money and peanut butter sounded identical to Hurley. He fears change, why, we don't know, I expect there's more to come. I liked the scene with the girl at the music store too.

The pace is just right for a show that wants to last a few seasons -- things are revealed at the same time backstory sheds more light on both the interconnections between them and their motivations. Just really well done.

The militant attitude of the survivors from the rear of the plane, their cache of weapons, and their immediate hostility toward unknown people makes me think the rest of the 23 were lost to the Others. I don't think ordinary people would be that hostile without a good reason. Alternatively, maybe the rest of the 23 got sick and died or escaped, or had to be killed? Maybe the pit was dug to hold the sick ones in quarantine? (By the way, how many were in the bunker when they arrived -- I counted five?)

The reunion of Rose and Bernard will be great too, I expect. That was very well done and nicely contrasted against Sun's experience. She was the only one who lost someone close on the raft. She probably saw no reason to tell everyone the raft was lost, especially when they're celebrating. That will be a great reunion too.

Previews looked great, that's all I'll say. :) Counting down to next Wednesday already...

[Tivogre]

I also thought it was cool that Hugo asked out the record store girl BEFORE his lottery winning were public.

If he'd waited, he never would have known if she said "yes" just for the money or not.

[MikeMar]

I also thought it was cool that Hugo asked out the record store girl BEFORE his lottery winning were public.

If he'd waited, he never would have known if she said "yes" just for the money or not.

He knew he would have to tell people and wanted to cement in some people he knew that were his true friends.

I'd probably do the same.

[goblue97]

are we to assume that Hurley showed Rose the washer and dryer? I thought that's what he was bringing her down there for, not to help with the inventory...

[golfnut-n-nh]

This might have already been posted, but here is an excellent photo of Walt on the milk cartoon from Hurly's dream.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg

[Test]

after checking out the pics, that is def. the same actor in walkabout and this ep...and i checked back on walkabout his name was randy also...

[MikeMar]

This might have already been posted, but here is an excellent photo of Walt on the milk cartoon from Hurly's dream.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg

Besides that being cool, you don't really gain anything in that unless you think Hurley knows they are gone.

[ovr8ted]

Good Ep.

I really liked the exploration of underneath the bunker (and the Freckles shower scene didn't hurt any ;) ). After reading many of the posts regarding Charlie, I am in agreement, it is within his character to behave like that. Locke never wants to leave, period. Sun, not only buried a secret (to keep faith alive), but also her husband. I'm tired of peanut butter, it is silly :p

Good question about the pit! We see no bodies lying about, or graves.

Hugo observations seem to work as well, although, I thought the gas station scene would have played out a little differently - more happiness/surprise by his buddy.

Same island or not? That, my friends, may be the real question of the week.

[jami]

I sort of thought we might get a rousing rendition of "Everything for a buck buck buck" out of Toy Story. I mean....with the new Apple/ABC/Disney/Pixar/iPod deal and all......and how soon until we find someone on the Island has an iPod?

Shannon had a pink mini early in season 1.

[golfnut-n-nh]

Besides that being cool, you don't really gain anything in that unless you think Hurley knows they are gone.

The only things I take from all of this is that Hurley is dreaming and that the writers are playing with our minds! Jin speaking English!

[MikeMar]

For the sake of the show, i'm assuming it's the same island and they will eventually find each other. They both have bunkers so I'm assuming they are either connected by the bunker or something

[MikeMar]

No one has said this yet, but the biggest thing I took from this was I'm pretty sure Samir said "I have't heard of this much cement being poured like this since chernobal (sp?)" So maybe there was nuclear testing there?

I had to rewind like 5 times but pretty sure he said that.

[tecban]

No one has said this yet, but the biggest thing I took from this was I'm pretty sure Samir said "I have't heard of this much cement being poured like this since chernobal (sp?)" So maybe there was nuclear testing there?

I had to rewind like 5 times but pretty sure he said that.Yes, that's what he said. It might be nuclear or something else, but whatever is behind the cement they clearly wanted sealed off permanently.

[Collier]

And virtually everyone in the country now feels guilty, because we all assumed that it was the black guy who was Bernard. Thanks a lot, JJ~

I assumed the black guy was the black lady's husband. That's a pretty standard assumption.

I don't feel guilty for making that assumption and would imagine most folks don't feel guilty either.

You shouldn't.

[Frank_M]

Hurley's story is like so many others you hear about lottery winners, or people who suddenly come into money. At first it can be great, but it does change relationships. I mean, he and his buddy both quit their jobs... but the fact is, Hugo is now worth $156 million dollars. So things won't be the same.

And no matter how much money he gave to his friends, it was never enough. I'm sure we'll see that soon. And that's what he was afraid of with the food.

And I'm guessing that since Jack is the only one who knows about his lottery win... that might have led to his acceptance of Hurley's plan to be Santa Claus. I think Hurley got to do with the food what he couldn't do with the money - make everyone happy.

Lastly, I haven't gone back to the season one ep's to check this out.... but does Locke call him "Hugo" because he recognizes him as the owner of his company, or did at one point they have a conversation where he told him his real name?

I do remember in the ep where Hurley was doing the census he said that "Hurley" wasn't even his real name... but I don't remember him mention that it was Hugo.

[JETarpon]

No one has said this yet, but the biggest thing I took from this was I'm pretty sure Samir said "I have't heard of this much cement being poured like this since chernobal (sp?)" So maybe there was nuclear testing there?

I had to rewind like 5 times but pretty sure he said that.

Sayid

[jubrand]

Where is the monster? Where is the smoke thingie? Why doesn't anyone go explore the island! They are too busy doing laundry? The other door to the hatch was WAY to easy to find. How big is this island anyway.

When Sayid mentioned Chernoble, I thought the sickness could be radiation poisoning. But would that cause a magnetic field? And does anyone know how a geothermal generator works?


Sweet, now I'm getting smeeked! :D

[MikeMar]

I'm blanking out, when does Jack know that Hurley is worth $156 mill?

[MikeMar]

Sayid


Woops, went into office space there. Samir, na, na, notgonnaworkhereanymore

[mrpantstm]

good episode. not suprised how they got around Jin talking with Hurley's surreal dream.

[JETarpon]

I'm blanking out, when does Jack know that Hurley is worth $156 mill?

Last week, or the week before. "Why were you running screaming 'the numbers are bad, the numbers are bad'." Explanation follows.

[ogden2k]

I sort of wish that I would stop watching lost when it's aired on TV because the quality is so poor and the commercials interupt my thinking.

If it were me in charge, I would not tell anyone about the computer or food storage. I would keep the food stored as a means of emergency since the island has it's own source of food. Everything else would be fine for people to know about, but there should be control over parts of the hatch. I think that they should start working on repairing the hatch door they blew off as well... They are going to be on the island for awhile, they need to start setting up some sort of leadership / government.

[canonelan2]

I sort of thought we might get a rousing rendition of "Everything for a buck buck buck" out of Toy Story. I mean....with the new Apple/ABC/Disney/Pixar/iPod deal and all......and how soon until we find someone on the Island has an iPod?

Funny that you mention that. I found this image yesterday....

http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=729&pos=2

Might take a while to load... it's getting its normal Thursday morning slam

[pallendo]

Woops, went into office space there. Samir, na, na, notgonnaworkhereanymore

PC Load letter? What the hell does PC Load Letter mean??

I'm going to need those TPS reports by Friday, OK?

If you wanted me to wear 17 pieces of Flair why didn't you just tell me...

I'm gonna show her my "O" face...

I love office space.

-Peter

[Big_Daddy]

I do remember in the ep where Hurley was doing the census he said that "Hurley" wasn't even his real name... but I don't remember him mention that it was Hugo.

He did. I just saw the ep on DVD two nights ago. The dialogue went something like....

"Hurley isn't even my real name. My real name is Hugo Reyes, Hurley is just a nickname. Why? I'm not telling!"

I still chuckle at that....

[Tsiehta]

If it hasn't been said, when Michael and Sawyer fisrt encounter Jin on the beach, in the group pursuing him is Anna. she's in the background, but you can see her vest. Also, she's one of the people dragging the nets to the pit.

[kettledrum]

Anyone else recognize the record store clerk as Miss Young from the short lived 2004 ABC series life as we know it?

In other news.....

I must suck. I was specifically looking for clues in the new bunker, and I didn’t see the logo.

[skweaz]

Long time reader first time poster.
At the mrclucks site did anyone notice that the Mr. Clucks logo is an animated gif with text that flashes behind the chicken head and closure notice? It says:
Behind the head: The number sequence with various words, "Jack will Di", "Jin", "Polar Bear", "Dharma", "Hanso" and "Hurley. Behind the closure notice: "Don't push the button. The button is bad!" .

[kettledrum]

I noticed it.

Timed it right and got a screenshot for the colleciton of clues too.

[MerlinMacuser]

Found a new wrinkle at the Oceanic-air site. If you click on the flight tracker button it shows a list of OA flights and their status. Our 815 shows ALERT at both Syd and LAX but look at the second one down (flight 572)....it reads Giveus The Boy! Could there have been another crash on the island?

[MikeMar]

Here is the lost chicken from the website w/ the #'s

[chavez]

I like the idea posted earlier that there might be a 2nd island involved.

[mmilton80]

Have we ruled out canibalism?

You read my mind. I thought they were going to be eaten. I guess they could still.

[MerlinMacuser]

OK, the website stuff is really getting out of hand now!

http://mrclucks.com/

Very cool! click on the ^p (paragraph marker) on the lower right corner of the page for some links that the web designer likes including one to some podcast summaries of the show.

[danieljanderson]

Here is the lost chicken from the website w/ the #'s

Doesn't the outline of the chicken resemble an island?

[dtle]

I sort of wish that I would stop watching lost when it's aired on TV because the quality is so poor and the commercials interupt my thinking.

If it were me in charge, I would not tell anyone about the computer or food storage. I would keep the food stored as a means of emergency since the island has it's own source of food. Everything else would be fine for people to know about, but there should be control over parts of the hatch. I think that they should start working on repairing the hatch door they blew off as well... They are going to be on the island for awhile, they need to start setting up some sort of leadership / government.

They aren't thinking they are going to be there for a while. Your mentality is that they've been there for a year. It's only been 40-something days. And then there's the hope of Mike's raft. They probably still be thinking they're going to be rescued soon. So why not live it up and enjoy the spoils?

[LordKronos]

I was looking at the 3 logos. The swan appears to point to the northeast (if we treat it like a compas), the shark toward the east(or maybe west...the logo isn't clear enough to tell), and now the arrow towards the north. Could this signify something maybe they indicate direction to go from the hatch and the dashed pattern is binary and indicates the distance to go (so maybe the swan logo means go 7 km northeast from the hatch). Could these point to significant locations...maybe even other bunkers?

[mitchb2]

Totally unacceptable to put something from a dream sequence in a preview. Prick job.

[headytiger]

my random thoughts:

Inside the food room, the camera shot of the Apollo bars seems to take a slight dramatic pause, as if to indicate its importance later in the season.

Something was done, or happended to Walt and Jin after being pulled from the hole. They looked like zombies after Sawyer was pulled out.

[philw1776]

When Sayid mentioned Chernoble, I thought the sickness could be radiation poisoning. But would that cause a magnetic field? And does anyone know how a geothermal generator works?

A Geothermal generator would use the volcanic thermal energy to run a steam engine which rotates a magnet to generate electricity. A very plausable energy source if an island were volcanic like many Pacific islands.

I think the Chernoble reference is a typical LOST red herring.

I thought the new blond 'tail section' babe was a hottie. Can't ever have too many of them.

[MasterCephus]

I think Hurley is the kind of person who, even though we think his life sucks, pretty much likes things the way they are. He has family, friends, a goal to get the girl, etc. Hurley just enjoys the good times.

He automatically knows that once people find out about his money, everything will change.
----
What I am trying to figure out is the goal of the season. Last season the goal was to find out what was in the hatch, and maybe sending off the boat. This season, I am finding it hard to figure out.

Automatically, I want to say is that the goal is to unite everyone from the plane crash. But I just don't see that as a goal. Another goal would be finding more about the Dharma project, but I believe that this will be revealed as we go...not something to achieve...

Maybe the goal will be get Walt back....

Anyone have any ideas?

[LordKronos]

What I am trying to figure out is the goal of the season. Last season the goal was to find out what was in the hatch, and maybe sending off the boat.
Remember, those ideas didn't surface until halfway through the season.

[speedcouch]

The sudden change in Charlie's behavior was lazy writing.

Now I thought the sudden change in his behavior was when Locke "tempted" him by saying "there's a record player in there..." and something else. To suck him into wanting to do a shift in there manning the button. I know if I was stuck on an island without music (even as just a listener, I'd be unable to resist that temptation). Locke knew just what to appeal to where Charlie is concerned...

Cheryl

[MikeMar]

about Michael and Jin being brainwashed

next week spoilers (pretty sure

michael goes running off to look for Walt

[MikeMar]

So the ideas of what happened to the other survivors so far are

Sick from something
Ate each other
Died just trying to survive
the 'others' killed them

Anything else to add to the list of ideas?

[maggsm82]

I wish they would do less back story and more island story

I like the back story, it shows us what from their past is driving their actions/reactions. Plus it helps ignore the frustration that I still haven't a clue about what's really going on on the island.

[Tsiehta]

Totally unacceptable to put something from a dream sequence in a preview. Prick job.

agreed. Honestly, this show is beginning to bug me all the way around. It's one thing if a show can continue to be well written and acted. it's another to just continue to stumble forwayd, adding layer upon layer of plot, without ever really answering anything that has happened.

[jlb]

So the ideas of what happened to the other survivors so far are

Sick from something
Ate each other
Died just trying to survive
the 'others' killed them

Anything else to add to the list of ideas?

Died while waiting for arrival of new Video iPod ;)

Seriously, I think you have it all. Clearly each of your options will have sub options that may or may not be revealed as time progresses.

[MikeMar]

Maybe got bored due to lack of entertainment and they just started killing each other

[scottykempf]

About the Lottery. I have always had the idea that if I won the lottery, I would use a lawyer or intermediary to claim the money. It just seems really stupid to walk into the Lottery office, say "I have the winning ticket", and let the lotto commission plaster your face all over the news and advertising. It is like saying, "Here I am, come rob me, I am worth millions of dollars." I know that it is in the rules that you have to sign off on your likeness being used in ads and whatever, but I think that you could challenge that. And yes, people do come out of the woodwork when something like this happens. Everyone knows that you won, and will sent you mail, phone calls, and solicitations asking for your donation. No thanks, just let me enjoy my windfall in private, thanks.

[nataylor]

So the ideas of what happened to the other survivors so far are

Sick from something
Ate each other
Died just trying to survive
the 'others' killed them

Anything else to add to the list of ideas?
I thought they went "Lord of the Flies" and killed each other.

[chipsndip]

OK, the polar bears are still there on the bigspaceship1 site, but the morse code has changed again... It reads :

Chocolate Asclepius

I had to look up that word at dictionary.com... thought my morse code translater had screwed up... but Asclepius was : Apollo's son, the god of medicine.



I really wonder if bigspaceship1 is a real connected LOST site, or just a fan-created red herring.

[jubrand]

OK, the polar bears are still there on the bigspaceship1 site, but the morse code has changed again... It reads :

Chocolate Asclepius

I had to look up that word at dictionary.com... thought my morse code translater had screwed up... but Asclepius was : Apollo's son, the god of medicine.



I really wonder if bigspaceship1 is a real connected LOST site, or just a fan-created red herring.

There's no ABC disclaimer on that site, I'm about 99% sure that it's just a fake site that someone set up to mess with people, just like Mr. Clucks.

[hefe]

Totally unacceptable to put something from a dream sequence in a preview. Prick job.
I learned that last year when they re-edited audio in a preview clip to say something different than what was in the episode. I had a feeling the Jin thing was going to go this way too. I have given up on previews, and from here on out will do my best to avoid them completely.

[MikeMar]

There's no ABC disclaimer on that site, I'm about 99% sure that it's just a fake site that someone set up to mess with people, just like Mr. Clucks.

Mr. Clucks is a fake site? Ok no more links for me

[mojomom]

Found a new wrinkle at the Oceanic-air site. If you click on the flight tracker button it shows a list of OA flights and their status. Our 815 shows ALERT at both Syd and LAX but look at the second one down (flight 572)....it reads Giveus The Boy! Could there have been another crash on the island?


Could you post (re-post) the URL for the page you're referring to? I couldn't find it.

Thanks.

[MikeMar]

it's just oceanic-air.com

[hefe]

Mr. Clucks is a fake site? Ok no more links for me

No, it's really there. ;)

But we believe it's more or less a fan site related to a blog where they also do TV podcasts.

[Lee L]

About the Lottery. I have always had the idea that if I won the lottery, I would use a lawyer or intermediary to claim the money. It just seems really stupid to walk into the Lottery office, say "I have the winning ticket", and let the lotto commission plaster your face all over the news and advertising. It is like saying, "Here I am, come rob me, I am worth millions of dollars." I know that it is in the rules that you have to sign off on your likeness being used in ads and whatever, but I think that you could challenge that. And yes, people do come out of the woodwork when something like this happens. Everyone knows that you won, and will sent you mail, phone calls, and solicitations asking for your donation. No thanks, just let me enjoy my windfall in private, thanks.

Most lotteries have something that says you have to allow them the use of your likeness to get the money.

It is a realy good Idea to talk to a alwyer or financial advisor before picking up the check though as they can set up trusts and whatnot to help with taxes as much as possible.

[ethos42]

the morse code on bigspaceship1 says:

-.-. .... --- -.-. --- .-.. .- - . / .- ... -.-. .-.. . .--. .. ..- ...

CHOCOLATE ASCLEPIUS

Wikipedia has this to say about Asclepius:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepius

Also, if you step through the frames in the flash file (right click on it and click on forward) until the red dot appears it has some text in it:
2FENO6

[mojomom]

Somebody, please slap Ana! (Rambina, as poor Sawyer called her.)


Remember what a jerk (to put it mildly) Sawyer was when they first crashed? I'm glad to see him meet his match.

[MikeMar]

2FENO6


2 seats at Fenway in 06, comeon, those are hard to get!

[barrettd]

Song playing on record player during Hurley's dream-sequence: Up On The Roof - The Drifters (http://www.lyricsdownload.com/the-drifters-up-on-the-roof-lyrics.html).

Song playing on record player during the Hurley-Rose conversation: MY CONVERSATION (Slim Smith) (http://hjem.get2net.dk/sbn/slim_s/my_conve.txt).

I couldn't make out the song playing on the radio when Hurley and his friend were in the van...
The song in the van was Easy Money - Billy Joel from Innocent Man album, I believe.

[Chandler Mike]

Not sure if this has been posted, but didn't have time to go look...from Entertainment Weekly:

"And then there's the matter of Randy. Y'all remember Randy, right? Locke's jackass coworker at the box company? Well, that's Randy running Mr. Cluck. Yup. Same dude, same character name, same actor (Billy Ray Gallion). Liz went back through her homemade VHS — VHS! — tapes of season 1, and she confirms it: same dude, same name, different hair. Now we know Mr. Cluck was hit by a meteorite after Hurley collected his winnings. And we know Hurley came to acquire a box company with said winnings. Connection? Of course there is, dummkopf! It's Lost!"

Mike

[scottykempf]

Billy Ray Gallion (from IMDB):

Lost
Hawaii
North Shore
Charmed
X-Files

[pendragn]

This was bugging through the show...Cynthia Watros (Erin from Titus) is the blonde tail section survivor (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/5/hugo-cap427.jpg).

I had such a crush on her when she was on Titus. She's yummy. :D

tk

[Paperboy2003]

good episode. not suprised how they got around Jin talking with Hurley's surreal dream.

I thought that was quite lame and shouldn't have been included in the preview last week

[MikeMar]

I thought that was quite lame and shouldn't have been included in the preview last week

Glad I don't watch the previews.

Unless in the future Jinw ill speak English, which would be very odd.

[jubrand]

No, it's really there. ;)

But we believe it's more or less a fan site related to a blog where they also to TV podcasts.

What hefe said. ;)

[scheckeNYK]

A few link observations...

www.dharmaindustries.com
The top link, "DHARMA INDUSTRIES" points to http://www.kraftkost.se, but is masked to look like the plain www.dharmaindustries.com . I think its safe to say this is a total fan site and has no bearing whatsoever. What country code uses ".se" though?

www.mrclucks.com
the .gif is interesting, but I think its safe to say that this site too has been defrauded. neither of these have the ABC disclaimer.

www.bigspaceship1.com
Personally, I missed where this URL was even leaked. This has also got to be a fake fan site. The flash file itself is named "lost.swf" which is too generic to be done by the producers. And it also lacks the disclaimer.

[cherry ghost]

Not sure if this has been posted, but didn't have time to go look...from Entertainment Weekly:

Now we know Mr. Cluck was hit by a meteorite after Hurley collected his winnings.

Mike



What episode was that?

[jlb]

I did a google search on 2fen06 (using a zero). The only notable result was something related to Oxallic (sp?) acid.

Now, a way out there thought is this....2fen....made me think of fen-phen, the diet drugs that caused all sorts of problems before being pulled off the market. Could this have any connection to Hurley? Or someone else?

I anagrammed both CHOCOLATE and ASCLEPIUS. You get some interesting results when doing each seperately. Too many to list. Probably nothing there though......

[cheesesteak]

I like Lost a lot but I'm not that invested in it to get pissed off that they included a dream sequence in last week's preview.

I know you're not supposed to hit women, but Ana would have had my size 10 shoe up her butt the first time she was weaponless.

[tanstaafl]

What I am trying to figure out is the goal of the season. Last season the goal was to find out what was in the hatch, and maybe sending off the boat. This season, I am finding it hard to figure out.

Anyone have any ideas?
According to the producers, the big reveal this season will be discovering what caused the crash and why. They have said the fact that these specific people crashed here was *not* an accident.

[Philly Bill]

That's definitely Walt on the milk carton. Hilarious! Perfect for a Hurley dream sequence. Just his sense of humour.

WHO'S sense of humor? Hurley has no idea Walt is missing. He thinks he's out on the raft somewhere.

[desulliv]

Originally posted by mojomom
Remember what a jerk (to put it mildly) Sawyer was when they first crashed? I'm glad to see him meet his match.
Maybe he's met his match, but after hearing Sawyer say the next time she hit him he would kill her, I'll bet she doesn't hit him again.

They're going to make a great couple.

[Philly Bill]

The bottle was given to the guys trying to escape the raft. Since it isn't on the raft anymore, they may assume the raft guys didn't make it.


WHY?

I don't get it. If I were them the first thing I'd assume is that the thing fell off.

[spartanstew]

This is the best grab of the milk carton (http://lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x04-hugo/1/hugo-cap024.jpg) that I could find. It does look like Walt's forehead.


It looks like a cow.

[desulliv]

BTW, I can't wait to see Ana's backstory. She's got to have some martial arts history.

[ovr8ted]

Maybe he's met his match, but after hearing Sawyer say the next time she hit him he would kill her, I'll bet she doesn't hit him again.

They're going to make a great couple.
I don't see her being shaken by Sawyer, sh1t, she rules that place! Besides, its only a matter of time until Sawyer needs to cut his arm off due to infection ;)

[Keith_R90210]

I liked this episode and how it progressed.

One thing that caught my eye was the hidden entrances that are being found around the island. I guess this could explain how Ethan was able to manuever so easily around the island and how he could make his trail disappear. I think this lends credence to the idea that Ethan and the "Others" could be scientests from the original project, since they would know where the hidden labs are located and how to access them.

Good catch on Locke's Randy and Hurley's Randy. I wouldn't have noticed that so easily

Am I reading into this too much or does it seem as though Rose may have had contact with her husband already, since the crash? she seemed really confident that he was alive and well like she had already seen him, but I guess this could just mean that she fits into the "faith" camp.

Does anyone else think that the two guys who were with Ana Lucia may not be 815 survivors and rather people who were already on the island?

the two guys with Ana Lucia just seemed out of place. I'm begining to wonder if they may have been there before 815 crashed and stumbled across the 815 group. I don't have anything to back this up, just speculation on my part.

I can't wait till next week.

[MikeMar]

Yeah Sawyer's arm is not in good shape

[jubrand]

Not the opening shot, but in the first minute or 2 when we see Hurley, he's turned so you can only see his right eye. Not a close up shot, but a right eye instead of left eye nonetheless. Who else is in the right eye camp again?

[w1ngman]

It looks like a cow.

Okay...now look at the left side of the carton (left of the facing/cow side). Walt's forehead? :up:

[cherry ghost]

Okay...now look at the left side of the carton (left of the facing/cow side). Walt's forehead? :up:

Or look at the other link that was posted.

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/waltMissing.jpg

[w1ngman]

But I do agree...as a dream sequence, there is no reason for Hurley to have subliminally put this milk carton Walt missing thing in his own dream. As alluded to already, Hurley has no reason to be aware that Walt is missing presently.

Then again, there's always the Dharma Initiative's study of para-psychology that may have something to do with his subliminal dream sequence including Walt on the milk carton...

[hefe]

Well, there's clearly a mix of real clues and inside jokes. The writers are having fun with us, and we enjoy the challenge of the search.

[cherry ghost]

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/entertainment/5093787/detail.html

[DLiquid]

A few link observations...

www.dharmaindustries.com
The top link, "DHARMA INDUSTRIES" points to http://www.kraftkost.se, but is masked to look like the plain www.dharmaindustries.com . I think its safe to say this is a total fan site and has no bearing whatsoever. What country code uses ".se" though?Sweden (Sverige)

I haven't checked that site, but remember that Hanso is Danish and is pictured in Norway.

[spartanstew]

But I do agree...as a dream sequence, there is no reason for Hurley to have subliminally put this milk carton Walt missing thing in his own dream. As alluded to already, Hurley has no reason to be aware that Walt is missing presently.

Then again, there's always the Dharma Initiative's study of para-psychology that may have something to do with his subliminal dream sequence including Walt on the milk carton...


Plus your subconscious often knows things that you don't.

It also could just refer to the fact that they're all (those on the raft) missing - nobody knows how they're doing or where they currently are, but Walt's the only child (hence, the one to go on a milk carton).

[Philly Bill]

I thought that was quite lame and shouldn't have been included in the preview last week

Personally I thought it was a RIOT!

I was totally blown away... I don't watch the previews so I had no idea Jin was seen speaking English in it.

Previews suck.

[Philly Bill]

I know you're not supposed to hit women, but Ana would have had my size 10 shoe up her butt the first time she was weaponless.

"The next time you hit me? I'm gonna kill you."



Lighten up Francis.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/KG___/Cluck.jpg

[TRD_Dan]

. . . so here it goes.

We already know they pause the shot on things of importance, did anyone else notice the slight attention paid to Sun's left hand when digging? Me thinks they may be setting up to show how she lost her ring. Then if there is a search for it will someone stumble upon the "Message(s) in a bottle"?

And I'm spent.

[ember]

Things to ponder....
Danielle told Sayid that she had to kill the other shipwreck survivors because they became sick/infected. Could the same thing be happening to the survivors of the tail section? Could this so called infection cause a person to become aggressive? Could Ana be infected? Have the tail section survivors been killing each other off?

[kettledrum]

I did a google search on 2fen06 (using a zero). The only notable result was something related to Oxallic (sp?) acid.

Now, a way out there thought is this....2fen....made me think of fen-phen, the diet drugs that caused all sorts of problems before being pulled off the market. Could this have any connection to Hurley? Or someone else?

I anagrammed both CHOCOLATE and ASCLEPIUS. You get some interesting results when doing each seperately. Too many to list. Probably nothing there though......


FEN is the airposrt code for Fernando De Noronha, Brazil. I doubt that really leads anywhere, but I'll put it out there.


Now doing the anagram together you can get this....

CASUAL TELESCOPIC HO

Shannon?

[Deekeryu]

The ending of this episode wasn't very suspenseful. It was too happy. I was hoping for more of a cliffhanger. Though, I guess the other Survivors found another hatch, and I guess that's a thing we can all wonder about. Could it be possible that the other Survivors went exploring, then they went missing?

I loved the dream sequence thing, and where Jin says Cluckity, cluck, cluck, cluck. Haha.

We got to see the entrance to the hatch, but it doesn't look very hidden at all. It's like a big door out in the open. I wonder why they hadn't seen it before, and it looks really easy to get into. Why is it one side has an entrance you have to blow open to get into, while the other you just turn the wheel, and you get inside?

Also, it looks like they found Walt's dog. Yay.

[Mike Farrington]

Plus your subconscious often knows things that you don't.
Like Jin having a wound/bruise on his upper left cheek?

[DLiquid]

I love all of Sawyer's nicknames for people. "Hot lips." :D Maybe there's some web page out there that lists all of the nicknames he's used so far.

[TRD_Dan]

"The next time you hit me? I'm gonna kill you."



Lighten up Francis.




Love the Stripes quote

[jeff125va]

after checking out the pics, that is def. the same actor in walkabout and this ep...and i checked back on walkabout his name was randy also...
Interesting. Certainly more coincidences there than the Lotto drawing girl and the wife who Sawyer was scamming, but I still think it's a red herring. They frequently hire actors to play multiple roles and Randy is certainly a common name. I mean, I'm sure there have been way more than 40-some extras playing the other survivors over the course of the show, I don't think that means there are as many survivors as unique actors who have appeared.

Btw, how many people are left from the main group at this point? So far they've lost the marshal, the chick who drowned, Boone and Arntz, and gained Aaron. Am I forgetting anyone?

[jeff125va]

But I do agree...as a dream sequence, there is no reason for Hurley to have subliminally put this milk carton Walt missing thing in his own dream. As alluded to already, Hurley has no reason to be aware that Walt is missing presently.

Then again, there's always the Dharma Initiative's study of para-psychology that may have something to do with his subliminal dream sequence including Walt on the milk carton...
Well, Locke had the dream about Boone's nanny's accidental death; he certainly had no way of knowing about that. Although, I wouldn't say Hurley's dream indicated actual knowledge, per se, of Walt being missing. It certainly didn't contain the kind of detail that Locke's dream did, and could be just a coincidence.

[Donbadabon]

Why is it one side has an entrance you have to blow open to get into, while the other you just turn the wheel, and you get inside?

Because one side was an exit only, not an entrance.

[jubrand]

I love all of Sawyer's nicknames for people. "Hot lips." :D Maybe there's some web page out there that lists all of the nicknames he's used so far.


Oh, there's a Lost website for everything.

www.losthatch.com/nicknames.aspx :cool:

[jeff125va]

Totally unacceptable to put something from a dream sequence in a preview. Prick job.
The first thing I thought was that it was a dream, and I was certain it was. I can understand thinking it wasn't, but didn't it at least occur to you that it might be? I thought that was obvious. He didn't really even have much of an accent, did he? Certainly not as much as Sun's.

[DLiquid]

Interesting. Certainly more coincidences there than the Lotto drawing girl and the wife who Sawyer was scamming, but I still think it's a red herring. They frequently hire actors to play multiple roles and Randy is certainly a common name.Right, they hired the same actor to play two different obnoxious co-worker guys named Randy. I don't think so. It's the same character, no doubt about it.

[jeff125va]

WHY?

I don't get it. If I were them the first thing I'd assume is that the thing fell off.
It's certainly reason to worry. I wouldn't be convinced of anything one way or the other, but it's definitely a sign that something bad might have happened.

[Granny]

I see no reason not to assume that Charlie is back on drugs. He only took the statue because he saw the broken ones with the dugs inside. Isn't he obsessing a little over the baby? Though his behavior has always been a little manic.

I thought Hurley was in the mental institution as an employee.

If the picture on the milk carton was really Walt - not just a dream Walt - wouldn't the rest of the people have noticed it when they were passing around the food?

In a never ending search for relevancy in the symbols, I found this site http://www.astrobiologi.se/index.html for the Swedish Astrobiology Network, or SWAN. " ...a non-profit association of Swedish scientists, who share an interest in astrobiology. " Could the Swan station be a testing/training pod for life in space? Thus justifying the "quarantine". Really digging here, huh?

[Test]

had to be the same randy, they are just tying it together...would only make sense that hurley would higher the guy to run his box company...haha hes got great middle management/people skills....

and maybe that was walt projecting himself in hurleys dream, but not very successfully...HA

[jeff125va]

Right, they hired the same actor to play two different obnoxious co-worker guys named Randy. I don't think so. It's the same character, no doubt about it.
That's exactly what they want you to think.

[MikeMar]

Shows like this, you can def read way too much into.

[jeff125va]

had to be the same randy, they are just tying it together...would only make sense that hurley would higher the guy to run his box company...haha hes got great middle management/people skills....

and maybe that was walt projecting himself in hurleys dream, but not very successfully...HA
Hurley didn't even know he owned a box company until his accountant told him about it, IIRC.

[DLiquid]

I thought Hurley was in the mental institution as an employee.That could be, but I'm leaning toward Hurley as a patient there.

Paging script-master hefe, what was the context when Hurley told Jack he had spent time in a mental institution? I think it was in the first episode of this season. I thought he said it in a way that implied he was a patient there.

[BrettStah]

I recall Hurley telling Jack that he (Hurley) was in a mental hospital for a little while. Not an exact quote, but if he had worded it in such a way that he worked there, I think it would have stuck out more for me...

[DLiquid]

That's exactly what they want you to think.LOL, I don't get into that line of thinking. If I did, I could counter:

Thinking "that's exactly what they want you to think" is in fact what they want you to think. :D

[mooseAndSquirrel]

We got to see the entrance to the hatch, but it doesn't look very hidden at all. It's like a big door out in the open. I wonder why they hadn't seen it before, and it looks really easy to get into. Why is it one side has an entrance you have to blow open to get into, while the other you just turn the wheel, and you get inside?
Plus all of the excavation and trebuchet building. Too bad Locke didn't explore a little bit more!

[MikeMar]

Plus all of the excavation and trebuchet building. Too bad Locke didn't explore a little bit more!

Well it wouldn't have killed 1/3 of the season if they just found a door :)

[Lee L]

Well, I will be very dissapointed if they just hired the same guy to play 2 different people. This show is all about connections. Anything that muddles that gets a big :down: from me.

[thenightfly42]

The militant attitude of the survivors from the rear of the plane, their cache of weapons, and their immediate hostility toward unknown people makes me think the rest of the 23 were lost to the Others. I don't think ordinary people would be that hostile without a good reason. Alternatively, maybe the rest of the 23 got sick and died or escaped, or had to be killed? Maybe the pit was dug to hold the sick ones in quarantine? (By the way, how many were in the bunker when they arrived -- I counted five?)
When we saw the Tail Section survivors first, it appeared that they were hunting for Others. Also, they already had a handy pit for storing anybody that they caught. I believe that the Tailers and the Others have been fighting for the past 40 days, which is why the Tailers are down to 5 or so people. However, I also think that the Tailers managed to steal the Dharma bunker from the Others. The Tailers are winning, at least against that group of Others. The Others on the boat, however, are still around somewhere else.

Something I didn't understand: just before the commercial, when Michael, Jin, and Sawyer first entered the Dharma bunker, they (and especially Michael) had looks of absolute shock on their faces. Why?

[canyonero!]

Maybe especially Michael as he was expecting nearly 23 people? Also, the idea of an underground bunker would seem pretty amazing to those 3. Or, just the fact that there are more people. A stark contrast to the same old 40 some people you've seen over the past month and a half.

[MikeMar]

My Tv was pretty dark at the end I couldn't really make out much of the bunker, Anyone have any good screen shots of it or a good descripition of how many were there or what they had?

[jeff125va]

LOL, I don't get into that line of thinking. If I did, I could counter:

Thinking "that's exactly what they want you to think" is in fact what they want you to think. :D
:D Great response, LOL! I'm certainly not ruling out that they're the same dude, but I really don't see how one could have "no doubt" about either possibility.

[DLiquid]

:D Great response, LOL! I'm certainly not ruling out that they're the same dude, but I really don't see how one could have "no doubt" about either possibility.Faith. :D

[jschuur]

I didn't quite get how Hurley resolved the food distribution problem. He told Locke that he should let him do things his way, and then he walked through the camp at night and gave everybody one item. It didn't look like he ended up blowing the pantry up. How was he going to explain where he found the food to everyone? Or did he expect he could keep gradually distributing the food without anyone asking questions?

Very touching moment with Rose pocketing the candy bar for Bernard.

[DLiquid]

I didn't quite get how Hurley resolved the food distribution problem. He told Locke that he should let him do things his way, and then he walked through the camp at night and gave everybody one item. It didn't look like he ended up blowing the pantry up. How was he going to explain where he found the food to everyone? Or did he expect he could keep gradually distributing the food without anyone asking questions?If it was enough food for one person for three months, it would last ~40 people about two days. I think he gave out all the food at once.

[MikeMar]

If it was enough food for one person for three months, it would last ~40 people about two days. I think he gave out all the food at once.

So what, Desmond was going to only eat for 3 more months?? I think he said something different.

[DLiquid]

So what, Desmond was going to only eat for 3 more months??The food supply seems to be getting re-stocked, which explains how many of the food items seem relatively new. In a past thread someone even pointed out that the expiration date on the candy bar indicated that the candy bar was manufactured fairly recently.

Three more months of food could mean the next re-stock date is two or more seasons away.

[MikeMar]

The food supply seems to be getting re-stocked, which explains how many of the food items seem relatively new. In a past thread someone even pointed out that the expiration date on the candy bar indicated that the candy bar was manufactured fairly recently.

Three more months of food could mean the next re-stock date is two seasons or more away.


Hmm never saw/heard that, so if they realize that, all they have to do is wait out their time on the island and just wait for someone to come get them.

[Philly Bill]

My Tv was pretty dark at the end I couldn't really make out much of the bunker, Anyone have any good screen shots of it or a good descripition of how many were there or what they had?


Didn't look nearly as homey as the Swan. No washer, dryer, stereo, computer, food locker, weight bench, shower, blender.. that *I* could see.. :D

[scottykempf]

'Lost' Actor, Wife Robbed at Gunpoint
Thursday October 13 7:36 AM ET

Josh Holloway and his wife reportedly were robbed at gunpoint in their home. There was no indication that the robber recognized the 36-year-old actor, who plays hunky con man Sawyer on the ABC castaway drama "Lost," television station KHON reported.

The robber rousted the couple from bed early Wednesday, took cash and credit cards and drove off in Holloway's Mercedes-Benz, which was found abandoned a short time later, the station said.

[desulliv]

Originally posted by MikeMar
Yeah Sawyer's arm is not in good shape
Don't discount the healing powers of the island. :cool:

[desulliv]

Orginally posted by scottykempf
'Lost' Actor, Wife Robbed at Gunpoint
Thursday October 13 7:36 AM ET

Josh Holloway and his wife reportedly were robbed at gunpoint in their home. There was no indication that the robber recognized the 36-year-old actor, who plays hunky con man Sawyer on the ABC castaway drama "Lost," television station KHON reported.

The robber rousted the couple from bed early Wednesday, took cash and credit cards and drove off in Holloway's Mercedes-Benz, which was found abandoned a short time later, the station said.

Ana-Lucia :D

[dengel]

Everybody beats Sawyer.

d.

[cherry ghost]

Didn't look nearly as homey as the Swan. No washer, dryer, stereo, computer, food locker, weight bench, shower, blender.. that *I* could see.. :D



It looked like it could be a very similar bunker but with a much larger portion cemented off.

[thenightfly42]

Maybe especially Michael as he was expecting nearly 23 people? Also, the idea of an underground bunker would seem pretty amazing to those 3. Or, just the fact that there are more people. A stark contrast to the same old 40 some people you've seen over the past month and a half.
1. - They hadn't said "this is all of us" yet, had they?
2. - Yes, but they'd already been in there for a few minutes.
3. - They are over that shock already; they've already met Ana and crew.

I'm leaning towards the first thought, but it still doesn't seem to match the expressions on their faces.

[hefe]

That could be, but I'm leaning toward Hurley as a patient there.

Paging script-master hefe, what was the context when Hurley told Jack he had spent time in a mental institution? I think it was in the first episode of this season. I thought he said it in a way that implied he was a patient there.

Hey... I was at lunch... a guy's gotta eat.:D

Conversation from "Numbers"

Dr. Curtis: Hugo?
Hurley: Oh, hey Doc.
Dr. Curtis: It's good to see you. What are you doing back here?
Hurley: Uh. . .
[Shot of inside a common room in the mental hospital.]
Dr. Curtis: I don't remember you and Leonard being that close, Hugo.
Hurley: Yeah, well, we hung.
Dr. Curtis: I'll leave you gentleman to it then. Good luck, Hugo.

From "Man of Science, Man of Faith"

JACK: "The numbers are bad" -- that's what you were yelling right when I tackled you.
HURLEY: Yeah, that's kind of a long story.
JACK: I've got time.
HURLEY: You'll think I'm crazy.
JACK: Try me.
HURLEY: Awhile ago I was in this kind of psych ward, and there was this guy, Leonard -- and all the time I knew him all he ever said were these numbers -- 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 -- over and over and over again. And they kind of got stuck in my head. So, when I got out -- well, actually a couple of months after I got out -- I was buying a frozen burrito and I thought, hey, I should play the lottery. And I guess those numbers were still stuck in my head so I played them. And I won 114 million dollars. That's when it started happening -- my grandpa died, my house caught on fire, the chicken joint that I worked at got hit by a meteor -- well, actually meteorite. Okay, so tonight I see the same freaking numbers on the hatch thing -- just written on the side -- and that's why I tried to stop it -- because that thing is cursed, man.
JACK: You were in a psych ward?
HURLEY: I'm not crazy.
JACK: I'm not saying you are.
HURLEY: So, what? That's it? That's all?
JACK: What do you want me to say?
HURLEY: How about you believe me, man?
JACK: Hurley, they're numbers.
HURLEY: What's that thing where doctors make you feel better just by talking to you?
JACK: Bedside manner.
HURLEY: Yeah, that. Yours sucks, dude.

[lexsar]

my random thoughts:

Inside the food room, the camera shot of the Apollo bars seems to take a slight dramatic pause, as if to indicate its importance l