Will the HR10-250 EVER get the 6.2 Update ??

[vdubuclet]

I like being cryptic... sometimes (it's how I can skirt around what I can and can't say.. :) )

Yes.... it may happen after all.
.

Alright so where are you getting this? We have all been down this road before.

[ebonovic]

They must be very sensual to wear. Just look at Earl's avatar. It's got "I'm wearing a skirt." written all over it. :eek: :D

I don't have the legs to wear a skirt at work.
After hours... different story.

As for where I am getting this information from.... Well..... It's kinda like a reporter. I can't give up the source, without losing the source....

And I definently don't want to lose the source.

I have absolutely no reason NOT to believe the person that I have been talking to. Those of you that follow me now over at www.dbstalk.com; it is the same source. (And it is not a particular online vendor of value electronics either).

I know they want to do it soon... but they are making sure that the version they push out is as good as it can be.

[codespy]

Thanks Earl for keeping us posted. You and your 'birdie' are the only ones keeping me from cancelling my HD package, which in turn, would cancel my Sunday Ticket package, which = less money for DTV per year from me.

[joetoronto]

Thanks Earl for keeping us posted. You and your 'birdie' are the only ones keeping me from cancelling my HD package, which in turn, would cancel my Sunday Ticket package, which = less money for DTV per year from me.

and no football for you. well...not much anyway. ;)

[joetoronto]

I don't have the legs to wear a skirt at work.
After hours... different story.

As for where I am getting this information from.... Well..... It's kinda like a reporter. I can't give up the source, without losing the source....

And I definently don't want to lose the source.

I have absolutely no reason NOT to believe the person that I have been talking to. Those of you that follow me now over at www.dbstalk.com; it is the same source. (And it is not a particular online vendor of value electronics either).

I know they want to do it soon... but they are making sure that the version they push out is as good as it can be.

could it be the one, the only, dan collins?

where's the drum roll?

[Paperboy2003]

I just don't understand why D* would bother pushing out an update if the HR20 was around the corner. Of course the HR20 will probably get pushed out and be delayed as much as the 6.2 has been.....oh whatever...

[ebonovic]

could it be the one, the only, dan collins?

where's the drum roll?


Actually.... no...

[ebonovic]

I just don't understand why D* would bother pushing out an update if the HR20 was around the corner. Of course the HR20 will probably get pushed out and be delayed as much as the 6.2 has been.....oh whatever...


Under the same arena on why they just pushed an update to the Series 1 DTivos

The HR10-250 has a very large user bases, and even with the HR20 around the corner the HR10-250 isn't going anywhere soon.

[newsposter]

Under the same arena on why they just pushed an update to the Series 1 DTivos
.

this is logical. Of course literally the week I disconnect the T60, they update it. Shall I disconnect the HDtivo so we get that upgrade this week?

However, being dtv, maybe logic doesn't apply and they only care about the cheap standard tivos and not the hdtivos :)

Nah, they do care about us and realize it's pretty stupid to update 3+ year old stuff and then not update the newer.

[kkluba]

I just don't understand why D* would bother pushing out an update if the HR20 was around the corner. Of course the HR20 will probably get pushed out and be delayed as much as the 6.2 has been.....oh whatever...

Around the corner would be 6 months at a minimum and 12 months more likely for the HR20. And when it comes how solid will it be?

The mpeg2 to mpeg4 conversion will take 2 years or more. Given those timelines it does make sense to do the 6.2 update and not jeopardize losing a contingent of their most profiatble customers.

[jhimmel]

Of course literally the week I disconnect the T60, they update it. Shall I disconnect the HDtivo so we get that upgrade this week?

Yes, if you don't mind.

We'll let you know when we have the update and it is okay for you to plug back in.

Thanks,

Jim H.

[MisterEd]

You really think it has a "very large userbase" ?? I'd love to know what % of rx's are 250's. I'd guess it's well under 1% of total rx's which would pretty much be what our stats are.

The HR10-250 has a very large user bases, and even with the HR20 around the corner the HR10-250 isn't going anywhere soon.

[ebonovic]

Percentage of all DirecTV customer?
Even 1% would be 150,000

Basically it may be small from a "percentage" point of view, but it is still a large number.

[AbMagFab]

150K+ of their highest-end, lowest churn customers as well. We are generally the ones they don't want to lose, as we're their highest profit margins.

Too bad probably 20%+ of us will be leaving the moment the S3 is available.

[tnedator]

150K+ of their highest-end, lowest churn customers as well. We are generally the ones they don't want to lose, as we're their highest profit margins.

Too bad probably 20%+ of us will be leaving the moment the S3 is available.

S3??

[ebonovic]

S3

TiVo Series 3

[Lee L]

150K+ of their highest-end, lowest churn customers as well. We are generally the ones they don't want to lose, as we're their highest profit margins.

Too bad probably 20%+ of us will be leaving the moment the S3 is available.

Of course, to play Devil's advocate, that is all the more reason to not upgrade the thing unless they are nearly 100% sure there will be no issues. The last thing they want is for some of their best customers to need to return units due to a botched upgrade.

I'm hoping they are close and we will get it, but I know some of the past rumors as to why we did not get the update is because it was way too buggy.

[kkluba]

Way too buggy? How many years has 6.2 been around? How long has it run on dual tuner S2's? And when is Tivo releasing the S3?

I just can't believe 6.2 for the HDtivo isn't ready for release.

[bidger]

Way too buggy? How many years has 6.2 been around? How long has it run on dual tuner S2's?
According to this (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=233747&highlight=6+2+software) thread, a little over a year. It's not mentioned that people actually received the update until page 3. Standalones would have a different time line.

[Lee L]

Way too buggy? How many years has 6.2 been around? How long has it run on dual tuner S2's? And when is Tivo releasing the S3?

I just can't believe 6.2 for the HDtivo isn't ready for release.
Well, some version of it was on an HR10-250 at CES 2005. It ran but was buggy and being 'worked on" according to rumors from reps at the booth. Since then, it has never been released and several rumors said it was due to showstopper bugs that could just not be fixed. While the SD TiVos are very similar, there is quite a bit of difference in the 2 so that it is not trivial to just bring the software over.

Now, I also think there may be some ulterior motives regarding MRV that has kept it under wraps and I would not be surprised to see that part of the code out of the HR10-250 if it ever does get upgraded, both from a bug perspective and to keep content more tightly controlled.

[newsposter]

Yes, if you don't mind.

We'll let you know when we have the update and it is okay for you to plug back in.

Thanks,

Jim H.

note to 6.2 software developers: I dont need the 6.2 update because I just unplugged the tivos and am trying to catch up on the almost 750 gigs of stuff i have saved. So please dont issue the update...we dont need it, ok?

[MichaelK]

hope that works!

[jhimmel]

That oughta do it.

Jim H.

[GalenMD]

Guys. 6.2 (or something like it) is coming. Only a new and major unexpected failure will make this not happen.

My connection is as solid as they will ever come. I didn't want to release my source by giving out too much info, but now I really don't care that much. I have nothing to lose. This guy is a chief supervisor in the software engineering department. This is one of his projects.

I will not release his actual name for fear of p***ing him off. Though I'm actually not sure if he cares at all, and I don't even care if he or my other source gets upset at me. I just don't want to take the chance that they'll delay it as a revenge tactic!

Anyway, they said 1-2 months before it hits our boxes and that was just less than one month ago. My guess is that we will have it by the end of June.

[bsgoren]

Guys. 6.2 (or something like it) is coming. Only a new and major unexpected failure will make this not happen.

My connection is as solid as they will ever come. I didn't want to release my source by giving out too much info, but now I really don't care that much. I have nothing to lose. This guy is a chief supervisor in the software engineering department. This is one of his projects.

I will not release his actual name for fear of p***ing him off. Though I'm actually not sure if he cares at all, and I don't even care if he or my other source gets upset at me. I just don't want to take the chance that they'll delay it as a revenge tactic!

Anyway, they said 1-2 months before it hits our boxes and that was just less than one month ago. My guess is that we will have it by the end of June.

I hope you're right. I'm not holding my breath, but I think it could happen only b/c the new D*TV HD DVR has offically been delayed until '07, and they've obviously rolled out the update to other (SD) boxes. I am, however, still a bit skeptical, especially since D*TV so proudly to displayed that supposed 6.2 update on their HR10-250 at the CES show way back in Jan., 2005, but then came the split with TIVO and the announcements of D*TV's own HD DVR...yada yada yada.

But, now, things have changed a bit, and delays on their new HD DVR have set them back, so why not try to retain most of us current HD D*TIVO owners/D*TV subscribers with this update. I know many friends and family that used to be D*TV customers and switched to DISH; they all have the new DISH HD DVR and like it and DISH's HD programming.

D*TV should do the right thing and give us the 6.2 update now, even if it's for only just months before they push us to switch to their new MPEG-4 HD DVR service.

If only pigs could fly... :D

[MarcusInMD]

This thread is like a bad 1980's B grade horror flick. The monster that keeps getting killed and coming back to life...

For the love of God....

[GalenMD]

Besides, they have said, multiple times, in writing, that the HR10-250 will be getting the update. On top of that, they're still selling the units. At this point, I think it would be absurd if we don't get the update.

[ebonovic]

Anyway, they said 1-2 months before it hits our boxes and that was just less than one month ago. My guess is that we will have it by the end of June.

That would concur with what my source led me to believe as well....
Plus I had a second person contact me with similar information, that I have no reason not to believe....

It is is looking promising.

[ebonovic]

I hope you're right. I'm not holding my breath, but I think it could happen only b/c the new D*TV HD DVR has offically been delayed until '07,

.....

But, now, things have changed a bit, and delays on their new HD DVR have set them back, so why not try to retain most of us current HD D*TIVO owners/D*TV subscribers with this update.

.....



Where did they "officially" announce the HR20 was delayed to '07 ?
Did I miss a press-release or something?
or am I miss interpreting what you wrote...

All indications that I have seen and heard is that it could be as early as Q3

[Matt L]

I guess I don't get it. Most of you are salivating about getting 6.2, but I guess I'm the odd man out. I really don't care if I get it, and odds are will stop it from downloading. I've had my unit for years, hacked it and it works fine (hope I didn't jinx it...). I can live without folders, the speed issue is minor, the unit is rock solid so why mess with success?

I'll take a solid performer over a flaky speedy one any day. (Who wants to give me odds on there NOT being any bugs. :D )

[pdawg17]

I guess I don't get it. Most of you are salivating about getting 6.2, but I guess I'm the odd man out. I really don't care if I get it, and odds are will stop it from downloading. I've had my unit for years, hacked it and it works fine (hope I didn't jinx it...). I can live without folders, the speed issue is minor, the unit is rock solid so why mess with success?

I'll take a solid performer over a flaky speedy one any day. (Who wants to give me odds on there NOT being any bugs. :D )

With a hacked box, I get around the speed problems (season passes etc) by doing it from my PC...most people with HD10-250s however, don't have theirs hacked...for those people, speeding things up would be HUGE...I agree though that there will probably be some new issues with the 6.2 update...

[newsposter]

for a non hacked box, (disregarding bugs), is there any reason i wouldnt want the upgrade? I've been told i can turn off folders if it turns out i dont like them for some reason, but just wondering if there is anything else i may not like? or is it all a bowl of cherries?

[Anubys]

for a non hacked box, (disregarding bugs), is there any reason i wouldnt want the upgrade? I've been told i can turn off folders if it turns out i dont like them for some reason, but just wondering if there is anything else i may not like? or is it all a bowl of cherries?

I wouldn't call it a bowl of cherries...all we get is folders and improved speed...I'd say that's 5 cherries at most ;)

but I know my wife would kill for those 2 things...she had folders before I "forced" her to get HDTV and she really misses that feature...

[Mikey_C]

This thread is like a bad 1980's B grade horror flick. The monster that keeps getting killed and coming back to life...

For the love of God....


Agreed. All I have to say is
GET A LIFE!

[Wirelezz]

It's Like...

http://www.geocities.com/colorado.breeze/dead_horse.gif

[ebonovic]

Why is it a Dead Horse?

Recent "developments" have brought it back as a viable possibility that it may occur.

At least it is all in one thread.

[Lee L]

Well, based on the thread title, it is safe to assume that it is all speculation. If it does actually happen, iti s also safe to say that ther ewill be several threads here saying it is coming and many more than that saying it is here when peopel actualyl start to get it. Therefore, it is safe to say that if you do not want to read idle speculation and guessing that this thread can be ignored. Also, since about 10 people have complained that we are beating a dead horse here, it is beating a dead horse to say that too. ;)

Now, I will be the first to admit that I had my doubts we would ever see it and posted as much here in this thread, it does seem much more likely now, though we might also be deluding ourselves.

[newsposter]

I wouldn't call it a bowl of cherries...all we get is folders and improved speed...I'd say that's 5 cherries at most ;)

but I know my wife would kill for those 2 things...she had folders before I "forced" her to get HDTV and she really misses that feature...

never had folders so will either be a great bonus or i'll turn them off

speed...would....love ....speed! As long as they keep the same reliability or better of course. navigating while recording 2 Hd things can be painful.

[Wirelezz]

A little off topic, I know...

The one year anniversary of this thread was yesterday (5/17/06).

Question for you Tivo Community "old timers:"

Has there ever been a thead on the Tivo forums as long lived as this one @ 1 year with 789 posts (as of this post)?

Does this thread hold the record for longevity?

Just curious... :)

[joetoronto]

Well, based on the thread title, it is safe to assume that it is all speculation. If it does actually happen, iti s also safe to say that ther ewill be several threads here saying it is coming and many more than that saying it is here when peopel actualyl start to get it. Therefore, it is safe to say that if you do not want to read idle speculation and guessing that this thread can be ignored. Also, since about 10 people have complained that we are beating a dead horse here, it is beating a dead horse to say that too. ;)

Now, I will be the first to admit that I had my doubts we would ever see it and posted as much here in this thread, it does seem much more likely now, though we might also be deluding ourselves.

exactly. you guy's bitch and moan about this thread but where are you?

in this thread. :rolleyes:

anyway, folders and speed sound cool, as long as there's no f_ckups in the mix.

[Anubys]

A little off topic, I know...

The one year anniversary of this thread was yesterday (5/17/06).

Question for you Tivo Community "old timers:"

Has there ever been a thead on the Tivo forums as long lived as this one @ 1 year with 789 posts (as of this post)?

Does this thread hold the record for longevity?

Just curious... :)

dear God, yes...there are some pretty infamous threads...one of them ran so big that it had to be closed and a new one started in its place (it got a little out of hand with trolls)...the thread of people who pre-ordered the HR10-250 (aka HD Tivo) was -- and probably still is -- one of the funniest threads I've seen around here...easily over 10,000 posts, IIRC...

[cheer]

I didn't realize how much I would miss folders until I lost them. The NPL on my HR10-250 is a mess. At least the S0RT code works so I can find things, but...yikes.

And the speed issue is a real one. Not so bad that I'd stop using the box or change providers or anything, but it can be an annoyance.

To the poster who asked if 6.2 was a bowl of cherries...absolutely, in the sense that there were no downsides to it on unhacked boxes (and on hacked boxes the only downside was the loss of sendkey).

I would presume (though I could be wrong) that this won't exactly be 6.2, but some kind of 6.x release specifically for this piece of hardware (just as the R10 uses 6.1). Who knows how hackable it will be in terms of MRV, etc -- I very much doubt the standard MRV code knows how to handle videos that are only playable on certain boxes. But we shall see.

--chris

[newsposter]

well cheer brought me a whole bowl of cherries..thanks! Let's get that update NOW! Of course since i deactivated all my boxes ;) it's moot.........

[slocko]

I was part of that thread :) My HD-Tivo was number 23 in the country.

I remember original thread was closed, then a new one reopened, that one was threated to be closed, Value Electronics was praised and condemened, lawsuits threatened, V.E.'s bank wanted to stop processing credit card orders due to complaints from buyers, Doug created purchase list to give people an idea when they might receiver theirs, it was a ton of fun.

dear God, yes...there are some pretty infamous threads...one of

them ran so big that it had to be closed and a new one started in its place (it got a little out of hand with trolls)...the thread of people who pre-ordered the HR10-250 (aka HD Tivo) was -- and probably still is -- one of the funniest threads I've seen around here...easily over 10,000 posts, IIRC...

[JimSpence]

Side note: I gave up on getting any kind of update on my Series 1 DirecTV DVRs (T60 and DSR6000) a long time ago. Would really have liked folders at the very least. Well, they just pumped down version 3.5 for S1's. Alas, no folders. Don't get me wrong, the faster guide is great and whatever else they did under the cover. Some with hacked units aren't too happy.
Ther's a big thread on the SD TiVo fourm about this.

Anyway that update was on very old units, so I suspect that an update for the HR10-250 will be along at some point.

[rminsk]

Guys. 6.2 (or something like it) is coming. Only a new and major unexpected failure will make this not happen.

My connection is as solid as they will ever come. I didn't want to release my source by giving out too much info, but now I really don't care that much. I have nothing to lose. This guy is a chief supervisor in the software engineering department. This is one of his projects.

I will not release his actual name for fear of p***ing him off. Though I'm actually not sure if he cares at all, and I don't even care if he or my other source gets upset at me. I just don't want to take the chance that they'll delay it as a revenge tactic!

Anyway, they said 1-2 months before it hits our boxes and that was just less than one month ago. My guess is that we will have it by the end of June.So are you going to post something like this every month? "I know this big woopdee-doo mucky muck and they say...." If you post something like this every month then when (if) it does come out you can say I told you so...

[bbodin]

Agreed. All I have to say is
GET A LIFE!

said the man who's posting in a thread he has no interest in

[JaserLet]

Series 1 just got their update to 3.5, so I'm certain that the HR10-250 will get 6.2.

If my math is correct, we should get 6.2 sometime around September 2009.

[codespy]

Geez, if that's the case, how long will this thread be after another 3 1/2 years? :eek:


No need to respond Richierich- we know where you stand!

[GalenMD]

So are you going to post something like this every month? "I know this big woopdee-doo mucky muck and they say...." If you post something like this every month then when (if) it does come out you can say I told you so...
Yep. That's exactly why I do this. For my own personal self-gratification. :p

[DVRaholic]

I Cant believe its been a Year since I started this thread...

Too Bad I will NEVER see my HR10-250 get the 6.2 Update.
Im now using it as a OTA receiver along with My Cablevision SA-8300HD DVR
(cant even compare to Tivo)

I couldnt wait, with No 6.2 but most of all HD-Lite I went to cable a few months ago. I have not regretted it at all!!!

Once the Series 3 is released I will NEVER go back to D*, NEVER!

[sluciani]

Im now using it as a OTA receiver along with My Cablevision SA-8300HD DVR
(cant even compare to Tivo)

Assume you dropped your D* service completely? If so, what Tivo functionality remains on the HR10-250 when used as a standalone, if any? Can you still schedule manual recordings?

Thanks.

/steve

[stevel]

No. You can use it as an OTA tuner and use the "trick play" during live TV, but that's it.

[joetoronto]

No. You can use it as an OTA tuner and use the "trick play" during live TV, but that's it.


ok, i'll bite, "trick play"?

[jasch]

You've never read your manual? That what TiVo calls pausing, rewinding, etc recordings. LOL

[joetoronto]

You've never read your manual? That what TiVo calls pausing, rewinding, etc recordings. LOL

i don't read manuals, jasch. i'm a plug and play kind of guy.

[Anubys]

You've never read your manual? That what TiVo calls pausing, rewinding, etc recordings. LOL

real men don't read manuals!

[joetoronto]

real men don't read manuals!

or ask for directions. :up:

[Wirelezz]

I Cant believe its been a Year since I started this thread...

Too Bad I will NEVER see my HR10-250 get the 6.2 Update.

WOW, it's the man himself! DVRaholic, look what you started here... long live this thread!! :up: :D

[rsblaski]

real men don't read manuals!

But they DRIVE manual (transmissions). :p

[newsposter]

real men don't read manuals!

i keep the hdtivo manual in pdf on my work laptop so i can answer TCF questions for the newbies..what does that make me?

[Wirelezz]

i keep the hdtivo manual in pdf on my work laptop so i can answer TCF questions for the newbies..what does that make me?
Well let's see... I guess that would make you one who was heavily engaged in 'manual labor!!' :D

[MichaelK]

Besides, they have said, multiple times, in writing, that the HR10-250 will be getting the update. On top of that, they're still selling the units. At this point, I think it would be absurd if we don't get the update.

Not to be a thorn in your side, but are you saying directv has never done anything “absurd?”.

How ‘bout lunching mpeg4 content without an mpeg4 dvr ffor the first year or so? How ‘bout not providing HD RSN’s to LIL’s? How about not even providing the fox own HD channels? How about launching the 2 spaceway birds and planning to not even fill up one with programming for at least a year? How about leasing the HR10 for a larger down payment than buying it? How about doubling the cost of the HR10?

There are many decisions that they make that seem absurd on the face. Some may very well be stupid. Others their reasons might not be apparent.

They may very well release 6.x for the Tivo’s but don’t put your hat on it being absurd if they didn’t.

[Anubys]

Well let's see... I guess that would make you one who was heavily engaged in 'manual labor!!' :D

I was going to answer with something funny...but this answer is funnier :up: :up: :up:

[DVRaholic]

WOW, it's the man himself! DVRaholic, look what you started here... long live this thread!! :up: :D
Long live...
UNTIL 6.2 is finally released, then You can start the next thread...
"6.2 crashed my Hr10-250"

:D

[robgettier]

First let me apologize. I am new to HD and instead of reading this very long thread, I have a simple question.

Is the 6.2 upgrade available for HR10-250?
If not, is it ever expected?

Thank you,

Rob

[duanej]

> Is the 6.2 upgrade available for HR10-250?

No.

>If not, is it ever expected?

Maybe, maybe not. We really don't know. Of course, that's what this thread is all about.

[GalenMD]

First let me apologize. I am new to HD and instead of reading this very long thread, I have a simple question.

Is the 6.2 upgrade available for HR10-250?
If not, is it ever expected?

Thank you,

Rob
Where is that smilie that shows it hitting his head against a brick wall?

OK, I guess this thread is a bit long. 6.2 is NOT available. There are lots of rumours to suggest that it will be released very soon. The only official statement from D* is that it is not available, but will be sometime in the future. That has been the statement for the past year or longer.

[jcricket]

Stuff the 6.2 and MPG4 talk. I want to know when D* is upgrading the HR10 to receive MPG6 recordings :-)

[Mikey_C]

Stuff the 6.2 and MPG4 talk. I want to know when D* is upgrading the HR10 to receive MPG6 recordings :-)


Nahh...what we really want is full uncompressed 1080x1920 19MB/s on every channel (otherwise known as HDTV...what a concept! :eek: )

[BillyT2002]

This is the one time I find myself hoping that Earl (the eternal optimist) is right. ;)

[rminsk]

Nahh...what we really want is full uncompressed 1080x1920 19MB/s on every channel (otherwise known as HDTV...what a concept! :eek: )An uncompressed 1920*1080 4:2:2 signal is ~120 megabytes/second. Broadcast high definition is always compressed.

[newsposter]

Where is that smilie that shows it hitting his head against a brick wall?

.

i know david said he didn't wanna have to choose which to add and not add...but i really wish he did add a few dozen :) sat guys has a nice smattering of them

[IndyTom]

Sorry for the belated Hallmark card:

HAPPY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY TO THE 'STILL WAITING FOR THE 6.2 UPGRADE' PEOPLE!


::heading over to the 'OJ is still looking for the real killer' thread to congratulate them as well::

[TyroneShoes]

Who's waiting? I'm watching TV. Not having 6.2 doesn't affect that at all. Sure, I'd like it, but I don't want it before it's ready. But I'm not whining about not having it, either. Patience.

[ebonovic]

This is the one time I find myself hoping that Earl (the eternal optimist) is right. ;)

I am not an "eternal optimist".... just definently more optimistic then most.

[JaserLet]

I hope we get 6.2 soon, so we can quit bitching about the software version and start bitching about the compression artifacts.

[Adam1115]

6.2 will NEVER EVER be on the HR10

The R10 is 6.1, the rest are 6.2. This one would be 6.3? Something else, not 6.2.

[ebonovic]

So how about 6.x

Obviously we are using "6.2" to refer to the 6.x series of software features and performance.

[JimSpence]

It could be 7.x for all we know. :)

They updated the older S1 DVRs with 3.5 with no warning so why couldn't they do the same on the HR10? :)

Shall we now start a poll for when?

[DVRaholic]

It could be 7.x for all we know. :)

They updated the older S1 DVRs with 3.5 with no warning so why couldn't they do the same on the HR10? :)

Shall we now start a poll for when?

My Best guess would be when Tivo announces the release of the Series 3 cable HD-Tivo.
We will probably see the 6.X update within days after that.

[Budget_HT]

My Best guess would be when Tivo announces the release of the Series 3 cable HD-Tivo.
We will probably see the 6.X update within days after that.
Why do you think these two actions are related?

[EricG]

i keep the hdtivo manual in pdf on my work laptop so i can answer TCF questions for the newbies..what does that make me?

I've got the manual on my USB Thumb drive. You never know when you may need it !!
:D

[Mark Lopez]

Why do you think these two actions are related?

Perhaps under the assumption that everyone will jump ship from satellite when the Series 3 HD comes out.

[newsposter]

if they turn off my HDtivo i'll be sure to be leaving. I"ll leave that rumor to other threads though

[slocko]

I happen to know this guy who knows this guy who is related to a cousin who is dating this other guy that works at dunkin donuts where the engineers grab their breakfast sandwhiches. he overheard them saying that 6.2 will be released when the moderator closes this thread :D

[IndyTom]

I happen to know this guy who knows this guy who is related to a cousin who is dating this other guy that works at dunkin donuts where the engineers grab their breakfast sandwhiches. he overheard them saying that 6.2 will be released when the moderator closes this thread :D

::using my Ben Stein voice::

Frye? Frye? Frye? Frye?

[MarcusInMD]

I happen to know this guy who knows this guy who is related to a cousin who is dating this other guy that works at dunkin donuts where the engineers grab their breakfast sandwhiches. he overheard them saying that 6.2 will be released when the moderator closes this thread :D

Ive been to that same shop and heard the same thing.

[MNTivoGuy]

I happen to know this guy....... that works at dunkin donuts

Mmmmmm. Donuts.

[Guindalf]

Mmmmmm. Donuts.


Mmmmmmm, breakfast sandwiches!

[JStanton_boston]

Agreed. All I have to say is
GET A LIFE!

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[falstaffpac]

Sorry for the belated Hallmark card:

HAPPY ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY TO THE 'STILL WAITING FOR THE 6.2 UPGRADE' PEOPLE!


::heading over to the 'OJ is still looking for the real killer' thread to congratulate them as well::


Yeah, I hear the 'We almost found Jimmy Hoffa' thread is a good read.

[mulscully]

breath.....holding...........................aaaaah

damn, couldn't do it....

[dave3]

any day now, any day.

[slocko]

anyone know what the vegas lines are on the update?

[Lee L]

6.2 to one?

[sjberra]

Yeah, I hear the 'We almost found Jimmy Hoffa' thread is a good read.

funny you should post this one

Jimmy Hoffa Search (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5415837)

[PJO1966]

funny you should post this one

Jimmy Hoffa Search (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5415837)


Why aren't they looking under Giants Stadium?

[Spin]

Why aren't they looking under Giants Stadium?


They already did years ago. But that was for Hoffa, they should search for the 6.2 update there.

[newsposter]

I say look under mile post 99 of the PA turnpike. Until just recently, there was a hoffa sticker on the mile marker in the middle of the highway. When i was rounding that corner, couldn't help but notice it. Perhaps he's there?

[mattdb]

I have been emailing back and forth about 6.2 on the HR10-250, finally I asked for a manager to call me and I just got off the phone with one.

She said they had slated it for march of this year but had some issues, didn't say what, but that they were working on it. She said the new MPEG4 HDVR might come out before 6.2 for the HR10-250, but that 6.2 should come some time. She wouldn't give me a time frame as she wasn't sure when.

I informed her that I was in no way interested in the new MPEG4 HDVR, that if they dropped the TiVo and didn't do 6.2 I was out here. She said that they were working on it......

So, we are still in limbo.

I sure do want HMO, MRV and my HDTiVo's.

Matt

[newsposter]

I guess it's more of a poll question...but while others and myself have gotten both verbal and written confirmation of update 'some day', i wonder why they wont go out on a limb and say 'in the next year' or something like that? Not that they can't go back on their word but i bet it would placate a few people to hear it on the investor page or something.

wouldn't that make 'us' happy?

[Anubys]

wouldn't that make 'us' happy?

not really...I'm in the camp of "I'll get it when I get it"...it's just icing on the cake...I'd like the icing, but the cake is just fine...

[phox_mulder]

not really...I'm in the camp of "I'll get it when I get it"...it's just icing on the cake...I'd like the icing, but the cake is just fine...

I prefer pie.

Not a cake fan, not an icing fan.

It'd be nice to have, but not holding my breath.

It'll be interesting to see this discussion shift from "when are we getting 6.2"
to "6.2 broke my tivo, reboots all the time, stuck on powering up",
remeniscent of 7.2 on the standalones.


phox

[mattdb]

I really want to be able to have folders, a faster guide and really really would like to be able to watch what's on one TiVO on one of my other's, not to mention to be able to use the SDK to develop some Home Automation interface.

[mattdb]

I really want to be able to have folders, a faster guide and really really would like to be able to watch what's on one TiVO on one of my other's, not to mention to be able to use the SDK to develop some Home Automation interface.

Those of us with the power can always "down grade" and not allow upgrades if there are issues.

Matt

[ebonovic]

I really want to be able to have folders, a faster guide and really really would like to be able to watch what's on one TiVO on one of my other's, not to mention to be able to use the SDK to develop some Home Automation interface.

I would not expecting anything more then what we see with 6.2 on the SD units.
(Folder and faster performance)

Other then that..... you "may" be able to hack to get those features once 6.x is there, but 99.99999% it won't be there from DirecTV.

[tall1]

I would not expecting anything more then what we see with 6.2 on the SD units.
(Folder and faster performance)

Other then that..... you "may" be able to hack to get those features once 6.x is there, but 99.99999% it won't be there from DirecTV.I hope MRV is "there" like it is "there" on SD units. Hopefully D* doesn't remove MRV completely before launching 6.2. It would be awesome to be able to "unleash" MRV.

[drew2k]

not really...I'm in the camp of "I'll get it when I get it"...it's just icing on the cake...I'd like the icing, but the cake is just fine...Mmmm. Icing. I want the big sugary flower on top with the green leaves!

[cake=6.2] [icing=speed] [flower and leaves=folders]

[slocko]

6.2 release is going to be the perfect release. it will have zero bugs. that is why they are taking so long :D

I prefer pie.

Not a cake fan, not an icing fan.

It'd be nice to have, but not holding my breath.

It'll be interesting to see this discussion shift from "when are we getting 6.2"
to "6.2 broke my tivo, reboots all the time, stuck on powering up",
remeniscent of 7.2 on the standalones.


phox

[joetoronto]

i'll take some beaver pie over the update any day, twice on sundays. :)

[slocko]

yummmmmm, beaver pie, yummmmmmm. with my best homer impersonation ;)

[cheer]

I hope MRV is "there" like it is "there" on SD units. Hopefully D* doesn't remove MRV completely before launching 6.2. It would be awesome to be able to "unleash" MRV.
The rumor, of course, is that one component of the delay is that they are trying to remove the MRV code entirely. But there's no real evidence that that is the case.

MRV with the HR10-250 would be tricky. In particular, one wonders how the code would handle things if you tried to MRV an HD-resolution show to an SD Tivo.

I cannot confirm, due to forum rules, that I have ever tried to manually insert HD shows on an SD DTivo. I specifically cannot confirm that 480i and 480p shows from the HR10-250 insert just fine on an SD DTivo, nor can I specifically confirm that 720p and 1080i shows insert and play audio but no video.

[pendragn]

MRV with the HR10-250 would be tricky. In particular, one wonders how the code would handle things if you tried to MRV an HD-resolution show to an SD Tivo.

I think that code is already present. If you have a unit with a DVD burner and try to MRV stuff around you get an error about it not being the correct format. I'm not sure how the code determines that, but I'm pretty sure there's a mechanism already in place for it.

tk

[newsposter]

observation: last time a rebate period was up, we got leasing (3/1)...next rebate period ends 7/1.....so maybe we will get 6.2 or the new dvr... :)

[cheer]

I think that code is already present. If you have a unit with a DVD burner and try to MRV stuff around you get an error about it not being the correct format. I'm not sure how the code determines that, but I'm pretty sure there's a mechanism already in place for it.
Could well be. It's all speculation, of course. :) Meanwhile, there still is some underground-type activity trying to hack 6.2 onto the HR10-250.

Heck, if someone wanted to donate an HR10-250 to the cause, I'd happily put all sorts of hours into the effort. Can't risk the Spousal Wrath I might encounter if I took the main one offline... :)

[tall1]

The rumor, of course, is that one component of the delay is that they are trying to remove the MRV code entirely. But there's no real evidence that that is the case.Hopefully it is just that, a rumor. Not sure why they would bother investing so many R&D dollars to remove the MRV code just to thwart a few geeky hackers....(like me).

[MarcusInMD]

The speculation about them removing code is just that specualtion. I am going on the premise that they just don't give a darn about the HD-Tivo customers and simply are not going to release it to us. The track record already in place is obvious with DirecTV and I suspect that it will continue into the future.

Every rumor in this thread has turned out to be just that, a rumor. Here we are June 1st, 2006. So many "release" dates have come and gone for the HD-Tivo. Over a month ago we started hearing it will be here in a month or so from so-called reputable insiders. I am glad I have not fallen for the misinformation leaked out from DirecTV.

Comcast can't get here soon enough....<sigh>

[Aquatic]

People... it's been this long, they've strung it out long enough and with the MPeg4 stuff, there's no way that 1) they've been working diligently on it and 2) are willing to support it.

When your DMA comes up for HD LiL or perhaps this fall (for NFLST folks) you'll be "given" the opportunity to upgrade--trade in your current set up for a D* HD-DVR (commonly referred to at the HR20) or lease one. It's pretty simple strong arm tactics mind you--if you want the new tech, you pay the price--trade in or pony up at LEAST your current HR10, perhaps more for a "free" lease upgrade.

If D* happens to come up with some different model, I highly doubt it'll be advantageous to the people here--it's all about the stock price and revenues.

Yep, Doom and Gloom and I'm usually optimistic, but in this case, the writing is on the way methinks.

[mattdb]

I am a pessimist generally, but from the phone call I had I get the impression that they are going to eventually upgrade our units. I firmly told them that if they dropped my TiVo service, I would cancel my directv account. That seemed to have got some attention, at least I hope.

Matt

[tbh999]

..."Please Stand By" graphic for up to five minutes! I only have about 15 SPs, so I'm not sure why it should take soooooo long.I have about 45 season passes (SPs), it takes over an hour of "Please Stand By" to make a change.

The other night we were watching a movie, my wife got up to do something, so I made an adjustment to one of our SPs while the movie was paused...long story short, we ended up going to bed and not finishing the movie that night.

Also, if the HDirecTivo has recently rebooted, it only takes 5-10 minutes of "Please Stand By".

I really would like the performance increase from 6.2 (and folders)

[mattdb]

I would recommend that everyone here email or call and ask for this update to get it moved to a higher priority. Might be pointless, but it sure wont hurt.

Matt

DTV Email Feedback Form (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/glb/Form_Feedback.jsp)

By phone:

For existing DIRECTV® service:
For an account at your home:
1-800-494-4388

[Barryrod]

People... it's been this long, they've strung it out long enough and with the MPeg4 stuff, there's no way that 1) they've been working diligently on it and 2) are willing to support it.

When your DMA comes up for HD LiL or perhaps this fall (for NFLST folks) you'll be "given" the opportunity to upgrade--trade in your current set up for a D* HD-DVR (commonly referred to at the HR20) or lease one. It's pretty simple strong arm tactics mind you--if you want the new tech, you pay the price--trade in or pony up at LEAST your current HR10, perhaps more for a "free" lease upgrade.

If D* happens to come up with some different model, I highly doubt it'll be advantageous to the people here--it's all about the stock price and revenues.

Yep, Doom and Gloom and I'm usually optimistic, but in this case, the writing is on the way methinks.



They did update the older S1 SD Dtivos...http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=297224&highlight=update

Could still happen for the HD Dtivos

[newsposter]

I have about 45 season passes (SPs), it takes over an hour of "Please Stand By" to make a change.


something is very wrong there...even when i had almost 80 SP and a full NP list, changing priorities has taken maybe 10 minutes tops.

[clorox]

I would recommend that everyone here email or call and ask for this update to get it moved to a higher priority. Might be pointless, but it sure wont hurt.

Matt

DTV Email Feedback Form (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/glb/Form_Feedback.jsp)

By phone:

For existing DIRECTV® service:
For an account at your home:
1-800-494-4388

Done.

Here's what I posted:

Please make the software update to v6.2 on the HR10-250 a priority. I know you guys are close, but the upgrade planning needs to be accelerated. The more season passes I have, the slower the unit gets, which means I can't enjoy my DirecTV programming. Plus, it would be nice to have folders considering the capacity of this unit.

Thanks!

[PixelFreak]

Went to form, copied and pasted most of what you said, added my own little flair, and hope it has somel little impact. Honestly, with Comcast now having Tivo available on their HD recorders and HD locals being carried (Tucson is WAY down on Mpeg4 local rollout), I will make the change if necessary.

PixelFreak

PS - Yes, I get locals in HD OTA as well, but DTV doesn't need to know that. I wouldn't mind getting rid of the antenna anyway...

[STL]

I would recommend that everyone here email or call and ask for this update to get it moved to a higher priority. Might be pointless, but it sure wont hurt.

Matt

DTV Email Feedback Form (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/glb/Form_Feedback.jsp)

By phone:

For existing DIRECTV® service:
For an account at your home:
1-800-494-4388I agree it worth a shot

And while you at it also email DISH Network (via this link (http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/aboutus/contact_us/index.asp?Show=1) ) to make it clear that you would switch to them if they partnered with TiVo. If enough DirecTiVo owners did the same maybe that might have have an effect.

[zalusky]

Especially if Dish would support the latest Tivo features.

[MisterEd]

If it took over an hour you some other problems with your box. Sometimes 3 minutes seems like 15. :)I have about 45 season passes (SPs), it takes over an hour of "Please Stand By" to make a change.

[DDayDawg]

I sent a very nice message to Dish and a not-so-nice message to DirecTV. I'm leaving as soon as I can't have TiVo anymore anyway so no reason to beat around the bush. :)

[georgemoe]

I would recommend that everyone here email or call and ask for this update to get it moved to a higher priority. Might be pointless, but it sure wont hurt.

Matt

DTV Email Feedback Form (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/glb/Form_Feedback.jsp)

By phone:

For existing DIRECTV® service:
For an account at your home:
1-800-494-4388

Sent today and got a response in about three hours. Probably canned.

Dear Mr. Xxxxxxx,

Thanks for writing. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. The HD-DVR (DIRECTV HR10-250) will get upgrade but the date has yet to be determined. Just be sure to have a continuous land based phone line connected to your system.

Thanks again for writing and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Gary
DIRECTV Customer Service

[clorox]

Sent today and got a response in about three hours. Probably canned.

Got the same exact response (from "Gary" no less). "Gary" is probably in India.

Did I say India? I meant, Gary, Indiana

[cheer]

Got the same exact response (from "Gary" no less). "Gary" is probably in India.

Did I say India? I meant, Gary, Indiana
You'd have better luck if he was in India.

--chris, who never misses an opportunity to take a shot at Indiana

[Anubys]

You'd have better luck if he was in India.



can't be...people in India know how to spell :p

[STL]

Got the same exact response (from "Gary" no less). "Gary" is probably in India.

Did I say India? I meant, Gary, IndianaI got a very differenent response:
Dear Mr. STL,

Thanks for writing. I understand your concern about HR10-250 receiver. Our new MPEG-4-capable DIRECTV HD DVR is expected to be available sometime later this year. We're always looking for ways to enhance our services, and customer feedback is very important to us. While I don’t have any information today about adding folders, I have forwarded your comments on to DIRECTV management.

We’re committed to enhancing our services with new equipment and new features like home networking, interactive TV and MPEG-4 transmission technology just to name a few. Visit our Media Center at http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/aboutus/headlines.dsp to learn more about these and other new equipment

You are important to us and we certainly want to keep you as a customer. We know you have a choice in providers, and we must continually earn your business. A service specialist will call you in the next few days to discuss what we can do to meet your needs.

Thanks again for your suggestion, and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Mary Ivy
DIRECTV Customer Service

[Arcady]

I had that exact email almost 2 years ago, minus the part about MPEG-4. They did call me. I said I wanted MRV on Dtivo and they said they were working on it. A couple months later I went ahead and hacked my boxes. I'm glad I didn't wait for them.

[Mikey_C]

Regarding the email responses you get from DirecTV...no one actually writes these...they are responses that are sent by a computer progam that scans your email for specific keywords and tries to find the appropriate "canned" response.

[STL]

Regarding the email responses you get from DirecTV...no one actually writes these...they are responses that are sent by a computer progam that scans your email for specific keywords and tries to find the appropriate "canned" response.That kind of what I thought, but D* most likely does keep track of the numbers of emails they get about different complaints (based on the email scans). So if everyone would complain "early and often" they maybe we'd get the numbers up high enough that D* would actually take notice.

[ebonovic]

That kind of what I thought, but D* most likely does keep track of the numbers of emails they get about different complaints (based on the email scans). So if everyone would complain "early and often" they maybe we'd get the numbers up high enough that D* would actually take notice.

D* has already taken notice... the 6.x version is in the works for the HR10
They can't give us a release date, as they don't have one to give.

From what I have been told from several different people (and they all are pretty much on the same page).... is that we are going to see the 6.x variant for the HR10.... much much sooner then later

[mattdb]

I replied to one of these "canned" emails and that is how I got into a discussion with DTV.

Atleast I got as far as having some one call me.

Matt

[rttrek]

I have about 45 season passes (SPs), it takes over an hour of "Please Stand By" to make a change.
As many have said, change the channels on both tuners to unused channels (like 0 and 1) before messing with the database. Things then go *much* faster.

If you are recording something on each tuner, wait until later.

[carguy84]

This is the response I JUST got from them, has anyone else been given a URL to check up on as they provided here?

"Thanks for asking about the new software upgrade to your DIRECTV DVR. The DIRECTV DVR 6.2 upgrade will enhance your DVR experience by making the navigation faster and giving you new ways to organize and search for programs.

The new software will be automatically downloaded to your DIRECTV DVR receiver during its nightly phone call, so all you need to do to receive it is to have a land based phone line connected to your DVR (Please Note: some older DVR models may not be able to utilize the new features). To find out more, including if your DVR will be getting the new features, visit our web site at ' directv - com / dvr62upgrade'."

Seems I can't post a URL, is this website unmoderated or something? Anyway, if some one who has more then 5 posts can make that into a working URL, that'd be great.

Chip-

PS: 5 posts before being able to post a URL is just plain annoying :(.

[Arcady]

That's the email they sent out last year for the standard definition units. If you read the web page, it says the HR10-250 is not included.

[MisterEd]

Old News from CSR Robots .... From that link you posted:
Are all DIRECTV DVRs receiving this upgrade?
No. DIRECTV DVR models SONY SAT-T60, PHILIPS DSR6000R, HUGHES GXCEBOT and HR10-250 will not receive the 6.2 software upgrade at this time.

This is the response I JUST got from them, has anyone else been given a URL to check up on as they provided here?

"Thanks for asking about the new software upgrade to your DIRECTV DVR. The DIRECTV DVR 6.2 upgrade will enhance your DVR experience by making the navigation faster and giving you new ways to organize and search for programs.

The new software will be automatically downloaded to your DIRECTV DVR receiver during its nightly phone call, so all you need to do to receive it is to have a land based phone line connected to your DVR (Please Note: some older DVR models may not be able to utilize the new features). To find out more, including if your DVR will be getting the new features, visit our web site at ' directv - com / dvr62upgrade'."

Seems I can't post a URL, is this website unmoderated or something? Anyway, if some one who has more then 5 posts can make that into a working URL, that'd be great.

Chip-

PS: 5 posts before being able to post a URL is just plain annoying :(.

[ebonovic]

PS: 5 posts before being able to post a URL is just plain annoying :(.

But... you can't imagine how annoying it would be if new users could post links with their first post....

Talk about SPAM city...

[Mikey_C]

As many have said, change the channels on both tuners to unused channels (like 0 and 1) before messing with the database. Things then go *much* faster.

If you are recording something on each tuner, wait until later.

The best way to improve the speed of re-organizing SP's is to hack your Tivo and use TivoWeb. I do all my SP's now through my PC and it's really fast.

http://www.geocities.com/yankeefan159/tivoweb-1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/yankeefan159/tivoweb-2.jpg

[MarcusInMD]

D* has already taken notice... the 6.x version is in the works for the HR10
They can't give us a release date, as they don't have one to give.

From what I have been told from several different people (and they all are pretty much on the same page).... is that we are going to see the 6.x variant for the HR10.... much much sooner then later

Not to beat a dead horse, but you said that you believed sooner rather than later over a month ago now. I am not attacking you so please don't take it that way but "soon, rather than later" to DirecTV might be 100 years from now. We all were supposed to get 6.2 "SOON" after they completed upgrades on the SD Tivo boxes over a year ago now..

My OPINION is that many will be waiting until they are old and gray for this so called upgrade. :D

[ebonovic]

I know.... it's my "phrase".... They are working on it though... I have gotten way to many PM and emails telling me nearly identical things...

Just the common thing amongst them is a lack of a date... :(
My bet with AbMagFab was till the end of Q2... I got a few weeks left on that.

[DDayDawg]

Best... reply... ever!

Dear Mr. X,

Thank you for writing. I apologize for any inconvenience caused by not receiving a software upgrade. Unfortunately, I have no information if or when we will be upgrading these receivers.

Thanks again.

Sincerely,

Jim S
DIRECTV Customer Service

It made me laugh, it made me cry. Brilliant writing!

[chris_h]

I know.... it's my "phrase".... They are working on it though... I have gotten way to many PM and emails telling me nearly identical things...

Just the common thing amongst them is a lack of a date... :(
My bet with AbMagFab was till the end of Q2... I got a few weeks left on that.

And are you betting that you will win that bet?

[ebonovic]

Let's put it this way.....

I have a can of C2 sitting on the counter, just in case.....

[chris_h]

What is C2?

[ebonovic]

That was a type of "Coke" with a new sweetner that came out about two years ago.

[brannicj]

Here is what I got from Directv yesterday

"Dear Mr. Smith,

Thanks for writing. At this point there are no set plans for a software upgrade for the HR10-250. We will generally send out the software updates if there is a known issue with the receiver that needs our attention. As of yet, we have not received any complaints about the HR10-250 that would call for a software upgrade. Also, as you may know, we will very shortly be coming our with the new MPEG 4 HD DVR which will have the most cutting edge technology available. This is expected to be available sometime this summer.

I hope this answers your questions. Thanks again for writing, and stay tuned to D**** for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Mindy
DIRECTV Customer Service"

I guess they don't think the rebooting and the slowness is anything out of the ordinary.

[ebonovic]

They really need to keep their canned-email messages in sync...

[codespy]

As of yet, we have not received any complaints about the HR10-250 that would call for a software upgrade.

Sincerely,

Mindy
DIRECTV Customer Service"


OOOOKKKKK, Mindy. And some on this site attack others for lying about multiple receivers on an account......I have personally sent in 18+ complaints about the HR10-250......I think Mindy should go to jail with the rest of the violators for such an outright lie.....

OK I'm done now.

[hiker]

Here is what I got from Directv yesterday

"Dear Mr. Smith,

Thanks for writing. At this point there are no set plans for a software upgrade for the HR10-250. We will generally send out the software updates if there is a known issue with the receiver that needs our attention. As of yet, we have not received any complaints about the HR10-250 that would call for a software upgrade. Also, as you may know, we will very shortly be coming our with the new MPEG 4 HD DVR which will have the most cutting edge technology available. This is expected to be available sometime this summer.

I hope this answers your questions. Thanks again for writing, and stay tuned to D**** for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Mindy
DIRECTV Customer Service"

I guess they don't think the rebooting and the slowness is anything out of the ordinary.
Sounds like D*'s update plan for the HR10 is to replace them all with the HR20. :rolleyes:

[Adam1115]

I think I've got it now.

YES, DirecTV WILL be updating the HR10-250 to 6.x, which happens to be the code name for the HR20. :)

[richierich]

I told all of you a year ago that it won't happen because they are not going to invest any more resources in a unit that they are going to replace with their own DVR, the HR20-250!! But so many were blind and just don't understand the corporate mentality & strategy!!!

[Arcady]

Then please explain why the series 1 D* boxes (not made in years) were given an update a few months ago. Nobody has explained why they would bother to update those ancient units.

[BigBearf]

Here is the response that I got yesterday

Thanks for writing. I'm sorry but we don't have the exact date yet when the DIRECTV HR10-250 will get the upgrade. However I have forwarded your comments to the DIRECTV management.

Thanks again for writing and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Kristoffer
DIRECTV Customer Service

[codespy]

At this point, on DirecTV.com, the only 2 valid/working URL's are for the 3.5 on series 1 and 6.2 for Series 2 units......scanned all the way to 7.5 and nothing in the system.......if that means anything to anyone......yes we know richierich what it means to you.

[Worth]

Best... reply... ever!



It made me laugh, it made me cry. Brilliant writing!

Awesome post. I too emailed DTV using that form that was pasted a few posts ago. Rise up my brothers!

[smimi10]

Here's the reply I got back last night:

"Dear Mr. Smith,

Thank you for writing and inquiring on the v6.2 software upgrade. After researching, I do not have any information on the HR10-250 receivers getting the upgrade. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Please stay tuned to directv.***/dvr62upgrade for information on upgrades and features.

Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,

Tia
DIRECTV Customer Service"

Gosh, "Tia" sounds sweet.

[zalusky]

Why do you guys contact customer service??? Call management! Show up at their trade booths!

[MikeCC]

I just got an email reply to my concern:

Thanks for writing. I understand your frustration on this matter and I know how this can affect how you feel about DIRECTV.

While DIRECTV has introduced a new DVRs, we will continue to support the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo and standalone TiVo service. If you are using the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo or a TiVo stand alone you can continue using your existing equipment.

Additionally, the HD-DVR (DIRECTV HR10-250) will get the 6.2 upgrade. But the date has yet to be determined.

Should you have other concerns, feel free to write us back or call us at 1-800-531-5000 and a Customer Service Representative will be happy to assist you.

If you reply to this email, be sure to include original messages.

Thanks again for writing and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our service.

Sincerely,

Marilou
DIRECTV Customer Service

I choose to take some comfort in the reply that our 10250 is supposed to get 6.2. If that means I am foolish or naive, then so be it. My delusions give me comfort.

[cheer]

I choose to take some comfort in the reply that our 10250 is supposed to get 6.2. If that means I am foolish or naive, then so be it. My delusions give me comfort.
Glad to hear it, 'cos they've been saying this for a long, long time.

[Redux]

Why do you guys contact customer service??? Call management! Show up at their trade booths! ... ask ebonovic

[ebonovic]

Ask me what?

[cheer]

Ask me what?
What's the fastest land mammal?

[AstroDad]

What's the fastest land mammal?

my wife at a half off sale

[zalusky]

Ask me what?

I was referring to the fact that everybody asks customer service when are we getting the update! We really should start finding/asking other kinds of DTV people.

So they brought up you as the mole.

[100Tbps]

my wife at a half off sale

Without a doubt this is the funniest post in this entire thread so far!
:up: :up: :up:

[cheer]

my wife at a half off sale
He's here all week, folks.

[ebonovic]

I was referring to the fact that everybody asks customer service when are we getting the update! We really should start finding/asking other kinds of DTV people.

So they brought up you as the mole.

Got cha..... Once I hear something I will let you all know.

[Wilhite]

Anyway, they said 1-2 months before it hits our boxes and that was just less than one month ago. My guess is that we will have it by the end of June.
That would concur with what my source led me to believe as well....
Plus I had a second person contact me with similar information, that I have no reason not to believe....

It is is looking promising.

Well... with June coming rapidly to an end, I'm wondering if GalenMD and/or Ebonovic have any updates on the status of this project. Have your well placed sources given you any additional information?

[bsgoren]

Well... with June coming rapidly to an end, I'm wondering if GalenMD and/or Ebonovic have any updates on the status of this project. Have your well placed sources given you any additional information?

At this point, it's got to be a lost cause. I'm sure their working much harder on rolling out their new D*TV HD-DVR. :rolleyes:

[ebonovic]

I had a conversation with my contact late last week.
Specifically asking for an update.

It looks like I am going to be paying out another Can of Coke, as it isn't going to be the end of June.

As for the update it self...
It's testing has been going very well, and they are simply waiting to do their last round of testing. And setup for the rollout.

Part of our discussion included that they are working on the "release notes" for the software update.

You are correct, they do have some other things higher in the que... the R15, the HD MPEG-4 Rollouts, some RSN-HD rollouts, some other software updates. The HR20 is not really effecting the 6.x software for the HR10

I hopefully will have a more definitive time frame in July.

I have had no less then three other very credible sources, confirm that it does exists. it is comming... One of them has actually seen it on an HR10...

Still no hard date tough...
Looks like I'll get it just in time to turn the unit off... :)

[rminsk]

Part of our discussion included that they are working on the "release notes" for the software update.That is the proof that DirecTV is not rolling it out. When was the last time DirecTV had release notes? :p

[100Tbps]

I had a conversation with my contact late last week.
Specifically asking for an update.

It looks like I am going to be paying out another Can of Coke, as it isn't going to be the end of June.

As for the update it self...
It's testing has been going very well, and they are simply waiting to do their last round of testing. And setup for the rollout.

Part of our discussion included that they are working on the "release notes" for the software update.

You are correct, they do have some other things higher in the que... the R15, the HD MPEG-4 Rollouts, some RSN-HD rollouts, some other software updates. The HR20 is not really effecting the 6.x software for the HR10

I hopefully will have a more definitive time frame in July.

I have had no less then three other very credible sources, confirm that it does exists. it is comming... One of them has actually seen it on an HR10...

Still no hard date tough...
Looks like I'll get it just in time to turn the unit off... :)

This may not be a fair question since no one in the wild has seen this update - but maybe your sources can share some information if they know or came across it during testing.

Any idea what will happen if to hacked units? I installed the Zipper and have the unit on my local LAN. I haven't done much with it other than add the channel logos but using the web GUI is nice to edit Season Passes. I didn't read the part about "MRV between 3.1 and 6.2 isn't supported" until after I hacked my SD and HD units, but I didn't see any point in unhacking them - until now that is - if it might cause a problem with an incoming 6.2. Obviously, I'd have time to resolve this when I see others here post they've started to see 6.2, but any thoughts on this? Wasn't there an even older unit (not HD) that just went to 3.1? Maybe their experiences can predict ours?

Thanks in advance and sorry if this is dumb^H^H^H^H rookie post. The Zipper was made for people like me! ;)

[rminsk]

The DirecTiVo installs new software on a different partition and reboots from the different partition. The upgrade will go fine but you will loose all your hacks and you will have to reinstall them. There are ways to block the new install, go to the underground forum and check. There are also ways to manual install a software upgrade. Again check the undergorund forum.

[ebonovic]

That is the proof that DirecTV is not rolling it out. When was the last time DirecTV had release notes? :p

Actually the last R15 release, I was provided with "official" release notes.

We set up a forum over at DBSTalk specifically for them...

:)

(Note there has only been one so far)

[Markman07]

Earl thanks for the info! I just got my first HR10-250 last week. So I don't have an HD TV yet ! The ducks are almost in a row in my part of Minnesota! Now if 6.2 is coming by summer/fall that is excellent news.

[jimmyk]

I had that exact email almost 2 years ago, minus the part about MPEG-4. They did call me. I said I wanted MRV on Dtivo and they said they were working on it. A couple months later I went ahead and hacked my boxes. I'm glad I didn't wait for them.

Hey Arcady,

You hacked the HR10-250? Do you have folders, etc. on there now?

[Adam1115]

Any idea what will happen if to hacked units? I installed the Zipper and have the unit on my local LAN. I haven't done much with it other than add the channel logos but using the web GUI is nice to edit Season Passes. I didn't read the part about "MRV between 3.1 and 6.2 isn't supported" until after I hacked my SD and HD units, but I didn't see any point in unhacking them - until now that is - if it might cause a problem with an incoming 6.2. Obviously, I'd have time to resolve this when I see others here post they've started to see 6.2, but any thoughts on this? Wasn't there an even older unit (not HD) that just went to 3.1? Maybe their experiences can predict ours?

YEAH RIGHT, try to get Beta testers to hack their units for MRV and see how fast the update disappears.

If you want the update, you DON'T want directv to think it can be hacked easily.

[rminsk]

Hey Arcady,

You hacked the HR10-250? Do you have folders, etc. on there now?The hacks do not give you folders. Only the 6.2 software update does that.

[Arcady]

I should have said that I hacked my SD units. I never bothered with the HR10-250 since there's no MRV for it, and I have a phone line plugged into it. If they ever release 6.2 for the HR10, I'll buy at least two more of them and hack/zipper them.

[vernsh]

Without a doubt this is the funniest post in this entire thread so far!
:up: :up: :up:

No, the one about "beating a dead horse" was the funniest. Pretty much sums up this thread.

[Lee L]

As for the update it self...
It's testing has been going very well, and they are simply waiting to do their last round of testing. And setup for the rollout.



Earl, lets hope you atre right in that it comes soon and is relatively bug-free. Pretty much everything DirecTv does now reminds me of my years with Dish when the next release was just around the corner and always was going to fix everything. They always reported the testing was going well etc, etc. Then the update would come and major bugs would be discovered within 24 hours of release. Things so basic it would seem impossible to ignore in testing. Hopefully this is not the case this time. (though the R-15 does not make me hopeful)

[codespy]

Earl, would the release notes perhaps include the web page created at DirecTV dot com similar to that of the 3.5 and 6.2 for SD upgrades which occured?

No big deal, just curious.

[ebonovic]

Earl, would the release notes perhaps include the web page created at DirecTV dot com similar to that of the 3.5 and 6.2 for SD upgrades which occured?

No big deal, just curious.

I don't know what the contents are going to be...
And I am sure they will do something similar on DirecTV.Com

The Release notes I have been given (the officinal and non-official ones) where basically PM's containing the contents of the release.

[MichaelK]

I... One of them has actually seen it on an HR10...

:)


hundreds- maybe thousands so it on an HR10 at CES...

[BillyT2002]

Earl, lets hope you atre right in that it comes soon and is relatively bug-free. Pretty much everything DirecTv does now reminds me of my years with Dish when the next release was just around the corner and always was going to fix everything. They always reported the testing was going well etc, etc. Then the update would come and major bugs would be discovered within 24 hours of release. Things so basic it would seem impossible to ignore in testing. Hopefully this is not the case this time. (though the R-15 does not make me hopeful)


You have just accurately described the chaos that results when a company writes software using the waterfall software development method. This is why I have no faith that DirecTV will succeed in writing good software. They are in business to distribute entertainment media, and not to write software. They should leave the software development to companies that are in business to write good software and have a track record of writing good software.

If DirecTV really wants to do this right, they should hire good software developers and QA people and adopt the agile and test-driven software development methods which I have described within this thread:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4148485&&#post4148485

[drew2k]

You have just accurately described the chaos that results when a company writes software using the waterfall software development method. This is why I have no faith that DirecTV will succeed in writing good software. They are in business to distribute entertainment media, and not to write software. They should leave the software development to companies that are in business to write good software and have a track record of writing good software.DirecTV isn't writing the software - NDS is. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

[litzdog911]

DirecTV isn't writing the software - NDS is. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

NDS provides DirecTV's new non-Tivo DVRs. I'm not sure if DirecTV has kept a different team for the Tivo-based software.

[BillyT2002]

DirecTV, NDS - it really doesn't matter which it is as NDS owns DirecTV and neither one of them is a software company whose principle business it is to write good software. So, everything I stated above still applies. ;)

[pintnight]

I thought DirecTV is going to use Microsoft Vista Media Center? :confused:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/directv-inks-deal-with-microsoft/
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/jan06/01-05WMDIRECTVPR.mspx
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060105-5913.html

Why I don't think DirecTV is going to release the new HD DVR with MPEG4 until 2007 when MS releases it's Vista Media Center.

[wmcbrine]

Surely Tivo is responsible for any updates to the HR10-250 software? With DirecTV just specifying features and approving/disapproving the result?

[rminsk]

I thought DirecTV is going to use Microsoft Vista Media Center? :confused:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/directv-inks-deal-with-microsoft/
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2006/jan06/01-05WMDIRECTVPR.mspx
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060105-5913.html

Why I don't think DirecTV is going to release the new HD DVR with MPEG4 until 2007 when MS releases it's Vista Media Center.That is for adding functionality like TiVo2Go on there own DVR. Microsoft is not suppling the DVR for DirecTV.

[drew2k]

Of course, TiVo is writing the software for 6.1 or whatever equivalent version we end up getting, and of course TiVo is following DirecTV's direction about what to implement.

Sorry for my earlier post about NDS writing the software - I had a few tabs of TCF open in Firefox and thought I was responding in a thread about the R15. :o

[kbohip]

I had a conversation with my contact late last week.
Specifically asking for an update.

It looks like I am going to be paying out another Can of Coke, as it isn't going to be the end of June.

As for the update it self...
It's testing has been going very well, and they are simply waiting to do their last round of testing. And setup for the rollout.

Part of our discussion included that they are working on the "release notes" for the software update.

You are correct, they do have some other things higher in the que... the R15, the HD MPEG-4 Rollouts, some RSN-HD rollouts, some other software updates. The HR20 is not really effecting the 6.x software for the HR10

I hopefully will have a more definitive time frame in July.

I have had no less then three other very credible sources, confirm that it does exists. it is comming... One of them has actually seen it on an HR10...

Still no hard date tough...
Looks like I'll get it just in time to turn the unit off... :)

If they ever did come out with the 6.2 update for the HR10-250, I'd never get rid of this thing! Seriously, this has been one of the best pieces of electronics I've ever owned, not for it's speed or features of course, but for it's reliability. An HR10-250 with increased menu speeds and folders is all I want. That's it. Nothing else. I

Unless of course the HR20 turns out to be even better, but after seeing the R15 fiasco, I know it won't. ;) Anyway, I guess I'll have to start plugging this into the phone line again.

[clorox]

Earl,

We're going to need another update pretty soon or I'm going to jump out my window.

[ebonovic]

:) I hear you...

Just don't jump... Think of the Streets and Sanitation workers that would have to clean up that mess...

:D

[newsposter]

notice his lack of confirming rumored dates :)

[joetoronto]

notice his lack of confirming rumored dates :)

i noticed. :D

[ebonovic]

notice his lack of confirming rumored dates :)

Who me?

All I know is that my End of June date, changed to....
"it is pending final testing, and it is looking good...."

but I wasn't given an updated time frame, hence I am not going to hazard a guess... other then "sooner then later" :D

If I get a date... I'll give a date...

[whitepelican]

If I get a date...

It might help if you put down that remote for a few hours. :)

[ebonovic]

It might help if you put down that remote for a few hours. :)

If I get that kind of Date.... I would be in some serious trouble with the wife... :D

[newsposter]

I hope you didn't copy and paste his reply (assuming he works for DTV) as they can scan their servers for the exact phrase and shut him down:)

[ebonovic]

It wasn't a email message...

And given the person I have been talking with.... I am not too worried about "the source" being shut down.

[codespy]

ALLRIGHT all you NAYSAYERS.........HERE COMES YOUR UPDATE.....HOOORRRAAAYYY!

I will not be committing suicide after all!!!!!!!

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006

[tase2]

ALLRIGHT all you NAYSAYERS.........HERE COMES YOUR UPDATE.....HOOORRRAAAYYY!

I will not be committing suicide after all!!!!!!!

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006
Holly Crap!!!

Is this really going to happen??? :up: :up:

[PJO1966]

Holy Crap!

[stevel]

I knew the HR10 would never get 6.2 - it would be called something else.

[Adam1115]

Here's kind of a problem... "Just make sure your receiver is continuously connected to a land-based phone line and we'll do the rest!"

Crap... I'm going to have to figure out a way to get this damn thing plugged into a phone line..

[whitepelican]

That's odd. It reads like they are sending this 6.3 upgrade to all Series 2 DTivos with the exception of the R10. But then further down the page it says "We're upgrading your DIRECTV HD DVR as part of your normal DIRECTV® DVR with TiVo® service at no additional cost." I'm wondering if they forgot to change the wording from the 6.2 upgrade notice. I sure hope this 6.3 upgrade isn't going to affect non-HD Tivos. But either way, it sounds like great news for the HR10-250.

[codespy]

Ok, just for the record.....AbMagFab, Richierich, MichaelK- you guys are not eligible to receive the upgrade ever for all your negativity throughout the course of this thread......the rest of us will be speeding thru the menus with our folders! LOL

[codespy]

I knew the HR10 would never get 6.2 - it would be called something else.


Should I start a new 6.3 thread?

[tase2]

Quick question

Will connecting the phone line and accepting the 6.3 undo any previous "modifications" that have been done to the HDTivo?

[tase2]

Ok, just for the record.....AbMagFab, Richierich, MichaelK- you guys are not eligible to receive the upgrade ever for all your negativity throughout the course of this thread......the rest of us will be speeding thru the menus with our folders! LOL
:D

[codespy]

More than likely.

[whitepelican]

Quick question

Will connecting the phone line and accepting the 6.3 undo any previous "modifications" that have been done to the HDTivo?

If you've done many modifications, one of them probably includes "UPGRADESOFTWARE=FALSE" in your bootpage, so the update won't happen automatically for anyone in that situation. But if you change the bootpage to allow the upgrade, then your hacks will be disabled. There was a pretty easy to follow process to do the upgrade and keep your hacks installed when 6.2 came out for the SD DTivos, so I would imagine the same could be done this time.

[ebonovic]

I still owe abMagFab a coke... I was off by a week (8 days actually)

[PJO1966]

Do we know when the rollout will start?

[ebonovic]

I am waiting for a reply from my contact, probably won't have it till Monday.

[bidger]

Should I start a new 6.3 thread?
I'd wait until it's actually deployed so people can post their experiences.

Fantastic! This is all I can ask for. Of course, it would be nice if 6.3 addresses the audio dropouts and freezing. But, the speed is my major complaint so it's good to know that's being addressed.

[RunnerFL]

Quick question

Will connecting the phone line and accepting the 6.3 undo any previous "modifications" that have been done to the HDTivo?

Not if one of the "modifications" you applied was the change to make it not install upgrades. :)

[joetoronto]

Here's kind of a problem... "Just make sure your receiver is continuously connected to a land-based phone line and we'll do the rest!"

Crap... I'm going to have to figure out a way to get this damn thing plugged into a phone line..


yup, if we knew exactly when the update was coming, it wouldn't be such a pain.

[stevel]

The usual recommendation if you have "modified" your TiVo is to set UPGRADESOFTWARE=FALSE, wait for the upgrade slices to appear on the system, and then hand-install the upgrade. I have never done this - but there are general instructions in "the forum that shall not be named here" where hacks are discussed and I'm sure that, when the time comes, details on installing 6.3 will be offered there.

[mr.unnatural]

yup, if we knew exactly when the update was coming, it wouldn't be such a pain. How's this? (http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006)

[PJO1966]

How's this? (http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006)


Looks the same as the link listed 20 posts ago. Has something been added?

[drew2k]

Maybe the discussion about the 6.3 upgrade should be moved to the new thread about it (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=306758) ?

By the way, it's pretty cool that we can answer the question posed in this thread title with a resounding, "No! The HR10-250 will never get the 6.2 update." And all I can say is, Woo Hoo!

[mr.unnatural]

Looks the same as the link listed 20 posts ago. Has something been added?
Nope. I just didn't look high enough up on the page to see that it had already been posted. I shoulda guessed someone already beat me to it.

[jhimmel]

Just to re-post the post that started this thread (on 05-17-2005!)

"Will the HR10-250 EVER get the 6.2 Update ??
CrazyFred, ,

You were right on the Money about the 6.2 upgrade starting may 16th. Thanks for letting us know this information.

The Only problem Im having now is with the Update to my SD-DVR40
and SD-DVR80 is Now my HR10-250 is Really Really SLOW!

I know they will start swapping out the HR10-250 near the end of this year for the new MPGE4 receivers, and I will be probably one of the first to get swapped out (NY is market #1)

But I need a Speed increase for the HR10-250 NOW!!!.
It has become "disgustingly" slow. It took me nearly 5 minutes
when scheduling a season pass for the "please wait" to clear the screen.

Since we paid so much for our HD-Tivos the least D* can do is let us ENJOY the next 6 months or so with a faster more Efficient HD-Tivo

From what Ive read on various forums its believed that D* has the Update for the HR10-250 ready to go but they are waiting out the SD update.

Is this true CrazyFred ??? If so are they still planning to send the update soon ???

Any Information will be Greatly Appreciated

Thank You. "
____________________________________________________________ _______


Notice the part about DTV swapping out the HR10-250 for the MPEG4 unit "towards the end of the year"?? (that was end of 2005!)

[bigrig]

Ok, just for the record.....AbMagFab, Richierich, MichaelK- you guys are not eligible to receive the upgrade ever for all your negativity throughout the course of this thread......the rest of us will be speeding thru the menus with our folders! LOL
:D WooooHooooo!

[PJO1966]

I'll go on record as saying that we will never see this update, or at best, months after they release their own HD DVR (so at best, the end of 2006). And even then, it won't be 6.2, it will be 3.2 with just the speed update - no folders, and no ability to hack HMO/MRV into it.

I'll have two Series 3 SA HD Tivo for OTA HD before DirecTV releases 6.x for the HD Tivo.

Another blast from the past (January of this year). :D

[ebonovic]

I guess technically...... I guess the answer to this thread is:

No..

The HR10-250 will never get the 6.2 update.

It is getting the 6.3

I make a request... please no gang piling on anyone... that is not good for the forum or the community. Everyone had their right to their opinion, based on their experience and the information they had.

Some people where right, some where wrong... And technically... I was wrong too... I did say the end of June 2006.

But regardless, between the official confirmation from DirecTV yesterday regarding the HR20-700 (Fall of 2006), and today's Official confirmation regarding 6.3 for the HR10-250...
And last weeks release of an update for the R15, and new locals in HD and some RSN in HD...

This has been one heck of a last 14 days for DirecTV.

So MODS... can this thread bee official closed, as the question has been officially answered.