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holee

03-02-2005, 08:44 PM

Okay last person who should be going on a rickety bridge is going on a bridge.

So Hurley is somehow lucky at the expense of others?

So it's Hurley's fault that the plane crashed?

But he doesn't have any answers, nor does he know how to break the curse. If he thinks he's cursed he should tell the others. Or he could stay silent and watch them die. :)

So the French team broadcast cursed numbers..... Oops, not the French team. The pre-pre castaways.

So does this mean that ABC will be responsible for the destruction of the world?

Good to see that French Chick is only partially deranged.

The mystery is borderline magic borderline coincidence. I hope this doesn't become another Rambaldi thing and start getting ludicrous.

Man ABC really wants us to watch Blind Justice.

GameGuru

03-02-2005, 09:04 PM

Awesome episode but ...

STOP WITH THE DAMN REPEATS!

This is driving me crazy. Two new episodes, repeat, two new episodes, repeat!

I need my Lost fix weekly and this is killing me!

GameGuru

03-02-2005, 09:10 PM

Are we to assume the box company Hurley owns alot of stock in is the same one Locke worked at?

holee

03-02-2005, 09:11 PM

Are we to assume the box company Hurley owns alot of stock in is the same one Locke worked at?

Ohhhh didn't even see that.

Ladd Morse

03-02-2005, 09:12 PM

Are we to assume the box company Hurley owns alot of stock in is the same one Locke worked at?Oh I love that one!

sushikitten

03-02-2005, 09:13 PM

So are we to assume that thing they showed at the end is another hatch (just not buried)?

tanstaafl

03-02-2005, 09:20 PM

Awesome episode but ...

STOP WITH THE DAMN REPEATS!

This is driving me crazy. Two new episodes, repeat, two new episodes, repeat!

I need my Lost fix weekly and this is killing me!
There were seven new episodes, starting with Whatever the Case May Be on January 5...

Now we just have to wait until May sweeps...

Mike20878

03-02-2005, 09:26 PM

Awesome episode but ...

STOP WITH THE DAMN REPEATS!

This is driving me crazy. Two new episodes, repeat, two new episodes, repeat!

I need my Lost fix weekly and this is killing me!

More than that... There isn't a new episode now until 4/13! What is ABC doing?

hefe

03-02-2005, 09:28 PM

6 weeks until the final 6 episodes start on April 13th.

OMG I love this show! How creepy!

The box company? You're right. All this stuff is coming together.

Ekims

03-02-2005, 09:31 PM

Okay guys. You have deciphered everything in this show to date. What do the numbers mean? I didn't see any pattern there, but everything in this show is significant.

hefe

03-02-2005, 09:32 PM

Time to start analyzing the numbers.... ;)

4-8-15-16-23-42

Keith_R90210

03-02-2005, 09:33 PM

Are we to assume the box company Hurley owns alot of stock in is the same one Locke worked at?

I didn't think of that but it would cause another tie-in between characters. I really liked this episode, it kept me on edge and it was interesting seeing Hurley's back-story. Charley and Hurley talking at the end was hysterical:

"Dude, back home I'm worth 156 million"
"Fine don't tell."
"Dude..."
"I open my heart to you and all I get is jokes!"

Priceless!:)

this whole thing about the numbers has me intrigued. I wonder who thought of them and what they represent, all these questions it drives me crazy!

are we approaching the end of the season?

alpacaboy

03-02-2005, 09:36 PM

this whole thing about the numbers has me intrigued. I wonder who thought of them and what they represent, all these questions it drives me crazy!
Well, 42... that should be an easy one to analyze. :)

Keith_R90210

03-02-2005, 09:40 PM

Well, 42... that should be an easy one to analyze.

ok, I apologize for my ignorance but this goes over my head, how is 42 easy to analyze in comparison to the other numbers?

GameGuru

03-02-2005, 09:40 PM

I am upset that we didn't get any explanation for Hurley's comment early in the season:

"Back home I am considered something of a warrior."

What did he mean by that?

Mike20878

03-02-2005, 09:41 PM

Well, 42... that should be an easy one to analyze. :)

:) J.J. and his numbers...

GameGuru

03-02-2005, 09:41 PM

Were there originally 42 survivors?

Mike20878

03-02-2005, 09:44 PM

Were there originally 42 survivors?

No, I think it was 47 or 48.

hefe

03-02-2005, 09:46 PM

ok, I apologize for my ignorance but this goes over my head, how is 42 easy to analyze in comparison to the other numbers?

It's a joke. A reference to The Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy.
If you haven't read it, you don't get it.
(Actually, 42 was in the 2nd book, right? Geez, it's been so long since I read that)

stagemaster

03-02-2005, 09:47 PM

Were there originally 42 survivors?That was my first thought, but further research revealed it to be 48.

Redux

03-02-2005, 09:53 PM

Time to start analyzing the numbers.... ;)

4-8-15-16-23-42

Ah, 815 again

Weren't the 8 1 5 marked with lines, arrows?

The other #s, at least to the right, may have also had lines but they weren't as distinct and may just have been folds or wrinkles in the paper.

Paperboy2003

03-02-2005, 09:55 PM

For those of you who also watch Curb your Enthusiasm, please recall this last season or the season before when the person who plays Hurley was on that show and portrayed a drug dealer who Larry bought drugs from. I found it funny that for all the things the cops could have arrested him for in California...it was for selling drugs.

alpacaboy

03-02-2005, 09:58 PM

It's a joke. A reference to The Hitchikers Guide To The Galaxy.
If you haven't read it, you don't get it.
(Actually, 42 was in the 2nd book, right? Geez, it's been so long since I read that)
I think it was established in the first book, but the third book was named "Life, the Universe, and Everything." It's been a long time since I've read those, but I still remember it as the series that redefines the word trilogy. :) (Though I think I've heard "Jersey Trilogy" or something in reference to Kevin Smith movies)

Anyway, yes, I was just making a joke about the significance of 42 there. Though now that I think about it, I don't think it would be a stretch for Hurley to have picked 42 for that reason. Though he might be a little young. (Though J.J. is about the right age.)

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:01 PM

Ah, 815 again

Weren't the 8 1 5 marked with lines, arrows?

The other #s, at least to the right, may have also had lines but they weren't as distinct and may just have been folds or wrinkles in the paper.

Here's the paper...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/hefe88/numbers1.jpg

trainman

03-02-2005, 10:05 PM

Channel 4 -- ABC affiliate in Pittsburgh, Seattle, Salt Lake City, et al.
Channel 8 -- ABC affiliate in Dallas, Richmond, New Haven, et al.
Channel 15 -- ABC affiliate in Phoenix, Florence/Myrtle Beach (SC).
Channel 16 -- ABC affiliate in Scranton, Jackson (MS).
Channel 23 -- ABC affiliate in Bakersfield, Missoula, Eugene (OR).
Channel 42 -- ABC affiliate in Palm Springs, Kennewick (WA).

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:07 PM

Pardon my memory if it is off, but weren't they on Oceanic Flight 815?

Kamakzie

03-02-2005, 10:08 PM

Are we to assume the box company Hurley owns alot of stock in is the same one Locke worked at?

I told my dad the same thing.

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:14 PM

Oh, and (I just checked to make sure) in the Kate flashback episode where she takes the contents of the safe deposit box, she asks for box 815.

Box 815. What kind of boxes did the company make???

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:16 PM

BTW, Locke is the man.

Again, he knows exactly what someone else needs, and provides it.

JadeWolf07

03-02-2005, 10:16 PM

Why would Hurley be on TV in another country for winning the lottery, unless it was an incredibly huge jackpot (which I don't think it was)??

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:20 PM

Why would Hurley be on TV in another country for winning the lottery, unless it was an incredibly huge jackpot (which I don't think it was)??

It was huge. The TV announcers said before Hurley passed out that whoever has the numbers "has won or will share in a near-record jackpot....this is the 16th week without a winner."

But then I would think he'd be worth more than 156 million, since his finance guy also said he had doubled his worth later.

Maybe he shared it with someone...?

Test

03-02-2005, 10:22 PM

Maybe he shared it with someone...?

his uncle....

SAM!

dun dun

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:23 PM

8 people died in the fire at Hurley's shoe factory in Canada.

dswallow

03-02-2005, 10:25 PM

It was huge. The TV announcers said before Hurley passed out that whoever has the numbers "has won or will share in a near-record jackpot....this is the 16th week without a winner."

But then I would think he'd be worth more than 156 million, since his finance guy also said he had doubled his worth later.

Maybe he shared it with someone...?
Undo the amortization to get the actual amount of cash won as a lump sum, subtract taxes, and allow for "near record" to mean "not the highest" and you're in the right ballpark. Then remember he probably spent some, so doubling what he started with may not mean doubling the jackpot.

Is it insider trading to use your mystical bad luck to trade stocks?

hefe

03-02-2005, 10:28 PM

I was hoping Sun's "escape time" from the airport would tie in, but that was 11:15. ;)

transpizzle

03-02-2005, 11:00 PM

I am upset that we didn't get any explanation for Hurley's comment early in the season:

"Back home I am considered something of a warrior."

What did he mean by that?
Seems to me he may have a mental illness from something happening to him. To get over something like that could be why people called him a warrior.

DevdogAZ

03-02-2005, 11:02 PM

What an awesome episode!!! I caught the reference to the box company in Tustin, but it seemed like there were a couple more tie-ins that I recognized and now I can't remember what they were.

MMG

03-02-2005, 11:09 PM

4-8-15-16-23-42= -100

spot1x

03-02-2005, 11:26 PM

What was that concrete/metal thing at the very end with the number etched on it? Anybody know?

whitson77

03-02-2005, 11:37 PM

What was that concrete/metal thing at the very end with the number etched on it? Anybody know?

The hatch where boone and Locke are working.

spot1x

03-02-2005, 11:39 PM

What was that concrete/metal thing at the very end with the number etched on it? Anybody know?

Ahhh cool missed that...

thanks

tanstaafl

03-02-2005, 11:39 PM

Just to add more things to discuss, Sawyer's latest book is A Wrinkle in Time.

Now that should stir up some speculation!

hefe

03-02-2005, 11:47 PM

A few more items...

I quoted it before, but it didn't hit me until now...How many weeks had the lottery gone without a winner? 16

What game was the crazy guy, Lenny, playing in the mental hospital? Connect 4.

hefe

03-02-2005, 11:59 PM

I am thinking Hurley may have been a mental patient at one time. Twice he asserted "I'm not crazy," and he glared at Charlie when he said he was acting like a lunatic.

And the crazy French chick saw something in him that made her open up. Crazy likes crazy. :D

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:13 AM

No, I think it was 47 or 48.

It was 48, but at the time they said that, they hadn't discovered the pilot yet.

Hey, now we've met 2 folks in Australia with fake limbs. The woman tonight, and the rancher that Kate worked for.

niea_7

03-03-2005, 12:15 AM

I am thinking Hurley may have been a mental patient at one time.

I agree. How would the doctor there have recognized him and commented that he didn't think he was that close to Lenny? I thought that maybe Hurley volunteered there, but now I don't think so. I think Hurley was a patient there, which is how he got to know everyone and why he's so sensitive to being called "crazy".

lpamelaa

03-03-2005, 12:16 AM

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:29 AM

I loved this episode. More answers, more questions and more tie-ins.

I'm sure the box company HUGO (ahahaha) owned in Houston was the one Locke worked at.

Haven't heard this mentioned yet....Lenny & Sam heard the broadcast numbers 16 years ago. Sayid calculated that the transmission began looping 16 years ago. Rousseau confirmed this by revealing why her ship went off course. So Rousseau and Sam/Lenny must have heard the same transmission. Can't remember...where were Sam/Lenny monitoring signals from?

New questions:
1) Why did HUGO (ahahahaha) spend time in a mental ward. I assume this is what he was referring to when saying he'd put his family through a lot.

2) How exactly did Rousseau's crewmates become "sick"?

3)

ok, forget it, my fingers will fall off if I type all my questions!

Answers:

The box company was in Tustin. When Hurley took a census several episodes ago, Locke revealed that he lived most of his life in Tustin, California.

Forgot the 16 years part, another 16 to add to the number coincidences...
Sam and Lenny were in the Navy in the Pacific scanning for transmisisons somewhere in the Pacific.

We never got much more than that about the sickness, except that it happened after they returned from "black rock."

And another thing...
When Hurley took the census, Ethan Rom said he was from Ontario, and Hurley said, "Right on. Love Canada." His overinsured sneaker factory was in Canada.

And another, another thing...Hurley's financial guy said that his orange futures did very well when the storm hit Florida...Locke made a creepy smile at Kate in the first episode with an orange peel in his mouth. I remembered that because it reminded me of the symbolism of oranges in the Godfather.
http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x01-pilot/normal_normal-1x01-437.jpg

transpizzle

03-03-2005, 12:40 AM

I am thinking Hurley may have been a mental patient at one time. D

I agree, I posted a little while ago I thought he may have had some mental illness.

A.C.

03-03-2005, 12:51 AM

I agree. How would the doctor there have recognized him and commented that he didn't think he was that close to Lenny? I thought that maybe Hurley volunteered there, but now I don't think so. I think Hurley was a patient there, which is how he got to know everyone and why he's so sensitive to being called "crazy".

He also mentioned how he had "put his family through a lot lately" at the press conference.....

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:57 AM

Man there's a lot of stuff intersecting...Recap...

Numbers:
Lottery: 4-8-15-16-23-42
Lenny's game at the hospital, Connect 4
Years since Sam killed himself...4
Years since grandpa's pacemaker was installed...4
Number of people that died in the sneaker factory fire...8
Number of weeks without a lottery winner...16
Number of years the French transmission was playing...16
Flight number of the plane...815
Safe Deposit box number...815

Let me guess...Claire will give birth in her 42nd week. :D

Boxes:
Jack's father (casket)
Kate's safe deposit box
Rousseau's music box
The box that Michael's letters to Walt were kept in.
Locke working in the box factory
Hurley owning the box factory
Lenny shouting when he heard that Hugo used the numbers, "You've opened the box!"

jami

03-03-2005, 12:58 AM

I loved Hurley's comment to Sayid. "She says 'hey'". That line had me laughing out loud. His delivery is just priceless!

So he bonded enough with Frenchie to get her to give him a battery. Yet, they part ways and no more mention (on camera, at least) is made of her. I would think that there would be many more questions from the others.

spot1x

03-03-2005, 01:03 AM

was lock building the crib in clairs dream or am i remembering incorrectly?

hefe

03-03-2005, 01:12 AM

was lock building the crib in clairs dream or am i remembering incorrectly?

In the dream, Locke is sitting at a table turning over cards. Claire runs into the jungle where there is an empty white crib with a mobile hanging above it with Oceanic airplanes on it. She reaches into the white blanket and comes out with blood on her hands.

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x10-raised/normal_raised031.jpg

lpamelaa

03-03-2005, 01:26 AM

We've interpretted several people as being possibly "responsible" for the plane crash.

1) Walt -- did he "wish" it to crash?
2) Claire -- her baby CANNOT be raised by another
3) Hurley -- unlucky lottery numbers

Yet it's benefitted some of the survivors

1) Locke -- returned use of his legs
2) Charlie -- unhooked from heroin

And it's in the possible process of redeeming others (Sawyer, Sayid, Boone, Shannon, Jin, Jack and Kate). I'm not sure where I'm going with this...just typing out loud.

lpamelaa

03-03-2005, 01:34 AM

One more thought...this was the second time a survivor talked about his past life and wasn't believed.

1) Locke told some one (Boone?) he worked at a box company and got the response "Yeah, right."
2) Hurley told Charlie about his net worth of $156 million and wasnt believed.

Did this happen to anyone else?

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 01:47 AM

Time to start analyzing the numbers....
4-8-15-16-23-42
Well, JJ seems to have a thing for 47 and
(8-4) = 4 and (15-8) = 7

Sinuralan

03-03-2005, 01:49 AM

Hurley's luck doesn't seem to have been particularly bad on the island. Or rather, the luck of those around him. Not to the degree they were showing in his before life. Perhaps he finally found a way to rid himself of the money (being stranded), and thus is free?

GadgetFreak

03-03-2005, 01:49 AM

What was that concrete/metal thing at the very end with the number etched on it? Anybody know?

More of it was uncovered... it looked almost like a capsule. The number on the hatch matching the number being broadcast might make sense?

If it were some kind of experiment with multiple capsules, and one crashes, would it (or it's crew) broadcast which one went down?

brott

03-03-2005, 01:52 AM

Are we to assume the box company Hurley owns alot of stock in is the same one Locke worked at?

That's what clicked .. I heard Box Company and thought to myself ... "Why do I remember that?" .. You hit the nail on the head .. I missed by a bloody mile.

jerobi

03-03-2005, 01:54 AM

How about seat #s on the plane - do we know any of those? Perhaps people that are connected, rows that died, etc...

I LOVE the numbers game. Best wrinkle in a few episodes now. Lots of possibilities. Somehow, I just don't see this working out as a mathematical equation, so it must be something else. Regardless, all of these subtle in-joke clues that were interwoven into the background of past episodes - that's some great writing.

jerobi

03-03-2005, 01:57 AM

If it were some kind of experiment with multiple capsules, and one crashes, would it (or it's crew) broadcast which one went down?

I like that reasoning for the broadcast source.

But if the French Woman has been to the radio tower to change the transmission, I'm thinking your theory would have to be built around having a crew (vs. just an automatic beacon going off).

getbak

03-03-2005, 02:02 AM

pyhill

03-03-2005, 02:06 AM

I an very interested in getting this metal thing out of the ground since it has the numbers etched in it. I am assuming it belonged to the first set of people who landed on the island and they sent the original transmission of the numbers (maybe to identify their boat/plane?). Everything about the numbers seems to have started from this point.

jasonander

03-03-2005, 02:28 AM

TIVOSciolist

03-03-2005, 02:41 AM

What happened during minutes 32 and 33? Between when Lenny was being dragged out of the room in the psych ward and Hurley was walking on the suspension bridge? The cable company decided to inform us about a kid that was kidnapped over 100 miles away then. They could have at least done it on a commercial or done it with some scrolling text at the top of the screen, not interrupt LOST!

Hurley shows up next in Australia in the middle of nowhere and meets the widow of the man whose name the mental patient was screaming.

Can anyone tell me what the Australian woman and Hurley said after she showed off her missing leg? Here in Oakland, a lot of the stations went blank for an Amber Alert. However, the ABC station turned to snow with no sound. Strange.

emandbri

03-03-2005, 02:50 AM

Another number that was mentioned during the episode...Claire told Locke that she is "almost nine months pregnant."

Although there has been plenty of speculation, I don't know if she has ever said how far along she is before.

I think in the first episode she said she was 7 1/2 months which would be 33 weeks. She couldn't have been more then 35 weeks when the plane crashed because the airlines won't let women fly international flights after 35 weeks.

Emily

getbak

03-03-2005, 03:04 AM

Hurley shows up next in Australia in the middle of nowhere and meets the widow of the man whose name the mental patient was screaming.

Can anyone tell me what the Australian woman and Hurley said after she showed off her missing leg? Here in Oakland, a lot of the stations went blank for an Amber Alert. However, the ABC station turned to snow with no sound. Strange.

She said that after the accident, she lost her leg and her husband was unharmed. Then, bad things started happening to their friends and family, and her husband started to believe that the numbers were bad luck, so they moved to the middle of nowhere to get away from it, but the bad things kept happening.

Hurley asked if her husband had found any way to stop the curse and she said that he stopped it by putting a gun in his mouth.

Hurley then asked if there was no way to stop the curse, and she said that she didn't believe in any curses, that bad things just happen and a few numbers couldn't cause bad things to happen, just as not using the numbers wouldn't have prevented the bad things. Hurley disagreed and said that he believed the numbers are cursed.

FauxPas

03-03-2005, 03:14 AM

Just found something "coming soon" here
http://www.4815162342.com/

smak

03-03-2005, 03:24 AM

It's a little late now, who wants to try calling that number in the morning?

-smak-

dagojr

03-03-2005, 04:16 AM

Ohhhh didn't even see that.

i would think so, they seem to drop a small clue each episode.

makes you think all the survivors are connected somehow.

firerose818

03-03-2005, 06:12 AM

I think that the fact that Jack and Sayid didn't die in the explosion and Charlie made it across the bridge shows that Hurley's "luck" has changed on the island, with people around him no longer getting hurt and dying. I think Hurley is getting the same fresh start on the island that the other survivors have been granted.

-Rose

Vendikarr

03-03-2005, 07:14 AM

Isn't the fourth book of the Bible called Numbers, like this episode.

And the book of number is basically about a group of lost people (the Israelites) finding their spiritual redemption before entering into the promised land.

Interesting parallel.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 07:27 AM

More questions than answers once again. Must...resist...looking...at...the...final espisode thread on this board. Just someone tell me if there is a nice pay-off at the end of this season...yes or no? It's buggin me because I think Alias was ruined by this kind of stuff.

shaunrose

03-03-2005, 07:37 AM

4-8-15-16-23-42= -100

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

4+8+15+16+23=66 4+2=6 -- 666 (and there are 6 numbers)

f0gax

03-03-2005, 07:57 AM

Just found something "coming soon" here
http://www.4815162342.com/

Looks like that domain was registered very recently. It doesn't show up in any whois search and the ones I searched were updated yesterday.

As for calling 481-516-2342; that does not appear (via a quick Google) to be a US area code. Though one Google search I did seemed to come up with an Australian area code (or whatever their equivalent is). But in Australia, don't they have a different phone number format and length as well?

Bierboy

03-03-2005, 08:00 AM

I loved Hurley's comment to Sayid. "She says 'hey'". That line had me laughing out loud.... That reminded me of Goober in Andy Griffith.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 08:06 AM

Smak stole my thought. I also thought that it could be a US phone number.

I didn't initially catch that Locke could work in HUGOs box company. People on this board are sharp. Also how was it that Locke knew it was Claire's birthday. It is not coincidental that he just happened to be making a cradle.....

My biggest contribution to this thread will be this. Up until this point all we have seen was the small metal hatch. That last shot of it showed the hatch plus some extra metal with the numbers etched in. Now, we don't yet know if all that time Locke and Boone spent in the woods they were diging it up. From what they showed us I don't think it is a bunker but maybe the hatch to a submarine or other kind of boat. Since Boone and Locke never told anyone hatch and nobody else knows about the numbers (or their significance by being cursed) it will be interesting to see how these two lines intersect.

pmyers

03-03-2005, 08:48 AM

Why didn't Hurley ask the French lady if she new Sam?

MassD

03-03-2005, 08:49 AM

ok, I apologize for my ignorance but this goes over my head, how is 42 easy to analyze in comparison to the other numbers?

Read Douglas Adams' "Hitchhickers' Guide to the Galaxy"..... its all explained there.

:)

miscellaneous

03-03-2005, 08:56 AM

I didn't initially catch that Locke could work in HUGOs box company. People on this board are sharp. Also how was it that Locke knew it was Claire's birthday. It is not coincidental that he just happened to be making a cradle.....

Don't think I agree - that's what you do if you're a thoughtful person and you are sharing a remote island with a pregnant woman. No coincidence there.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 09:00 AM

Why didn't Hurley ask the French lady if she new Sam?
Why didn't Hurley tie the woman up and beat lots more information out of her!! Like who was Ethan, what is the monster, when is JJ Abrams gonna let us in on a secret! That whole scene made me mad. Oh, there is a radio tower...great. HOW DID IT GET THERE?!

brott

03-03-2005, 09:02 AM

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Maybe totally off the wall, but when I see these numbers, I keep getting the phrase:

for 815, 16 .. Then I lose it on the 23, 42 .. I want to say "years" in this spot, but I cannot make it work.

The other thing that these numbers gave us was our first true link to the outside world. We now know that these numbers were heard from the island 16 years ago .. In addition, we know that Roussou(sp?) changed the message (and probably reset the counter) at that time. So, the message has been running for longer than the original 16 years that we suspected.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 09:04 AM

Can someone post a pic of the capsule with the numbers shown at the end?

hefe

03-03-2005, 09:07 AM

Can someone post a pic of the capsule with the numbers shown at the end?

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers700.jpg

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers701.jpg

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 09:09 AM

Can someone post a pic of the capsule with the numbers shown at the end?
I would have called it a bunker, not a capsule...

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 09:13 AM

I would have called it a bunker, not a capsule...

So the real question is does this capsule/bunker hold the key to the island and how do we get in it.

dswallow

03-03-2005, 09:14 AM

Why didn't Hurley tie the woman up and beat lots more information out of her!! Like who was Ethan, what is the monster, when is JJ Abrams gonna let us in on a secret! That whole scene made me mad. Oh, there is a radio tower...great. HOW DID IT GET THERE?!
Well, we don't know what else he might've asked or been told. We don't know he didn't feel he could come back anytime. We don't know she's any more clued in even after 16 years than the more recent survivors.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 09:17 AM

Well, we don't know what else he might've asked or been told. We don't know he didn't feel he could come back anytime. We don't know she's any more clued in even after 16 years than the more recent survivors.

We also know that she moved her camp so where is her new camp?

Oh the other thing I keep on forgetting to mention.....they found the power cable. They have twice followed it into the woods but never gone to the sea. there might be something out there just offshore. Plus when they found where it went into the ground I would have started digging right there.....

MassD

03-03-2005, 09:17 AM

jwjody

03-03-2005, 09:19 AM

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 09:21 AM

I assumed that the listening post that Sam and Lenny were at is the island. But that would have put them there during the time of the French Lady (she's been there for 16 years, and it was 4 years ago that the guys left the island right?). But that would explain why a radio tower is on the island and perhaps why there is a bunker.

Weren't a lot of nuclear bombs tested on Pacific atolls?

Is that Lost season finale thread real spoilers? Or possible spoilers?

J

ya we do test a lot on pacific islands. We dont do nuclear stuff but we test the reentry vehicles (A nuclear delivery system) and their accuracy. Think the bomb minus the bomb.

pmyers

03-03-2005, 09:22 AM

...Oh the other thing I keep on forgetting to mention.....they found the power cable. They have twice followed it into the woods but never gone to the sea. there might be something out there just offshore. Plus when they found where it went into the ground I would have started digging right there.....

Don't even get me started on that power cable! I swear, the people just have no curiosity!

Rob Helmerichs

03-03-2005, 09:23 AM

The way I see it, Hurley was overcome with relief. He just realized that there was some kind of external force driving his fortune... The biggest question in his life was answered and he now knows that it wasn't his fault. I can see how he might not have pushed the French Lady for more information.
And as has been noted, we don't know what happened between them after the camera cut away. He may have beaten her to within an inch or her life. He may have murdered her. They may have played D&D. Or, more likely, she recognized him as somebody who's as nuts as she is, and spilled her guts gladly.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 09:26 AM

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers700.jpg

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers701.jpg
Darn, I was hoping they were situated in a manner that meant something, like a date. Just another mystery.

Fish Man

03-03-2005, 09:28 AM

Best. Episode. Yet. ??

Maybe, I dunno?

There are so many that are awesome!

I caught the "Box company in Tustin" as being the one Locke worked for immediately. The wording and voice inflection of the way the financial advisor described the company was identical to how Locke described it to boone.

Locke: "I worked for a box company [pause], yeah, we made boxes..."

Financial advisor: "Your box company in Tustin is way up. [pause], yeah, they make boxes... people need boxes..."

I'm still not sure that cable is a power cable. It seems to have only one "conductor" for one thing. I think it may be some kind of tether. Of course, that still doesn't explain where the power comes from.

"She says 'hey'". Yep, absolutely priceless line, beautifully delivered.

pmyers

03-03-2005, 09:30 AM

...I'm still not sure that cable is a power cable. It seems to have only one "conductor" for one thing. I think it may be some kind of tether. Of course, that still doesn't explain where the power comes from...

Well, it definately has some type of rubberized coating on it which makes me think it's not some kind of tether cable which I would assume would just look like twisted steel.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 09:36 AM

Well, it definately has some type of rubberized coating on it which makes me think it's not some kind of tether cable which I would assume would just look like twisted steel.

I use stuff like that all the time at work. Its just a big outer shell with multiple conductors inside. If you're thinking that it is like your average roadside powerline......well lets just say you wouldn't want to touch it like they were if it were live.

Cboath

03-03-2005, 09:37 AM

We also know that she moved her camp so where is her new camp?

Oh the other thing I keep on forgetting to mention.....they found the power cable. They have twice followed it into the woods but never gone to the sea. there might be something out there just offshore. Plus when they found where it went into the ground I would have started digging right there.....

I was wondering why nobody followed it into the water too. Hurley was on a mission this time, but they could have come back to it any time before this.

I also think that Locke somehow knew it was Claires birthday. Of course it is the nice thing to do, but why not yesterday or tomorrow. He knew.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 09:37 AM

Geez guys, even castaways need cable. They don't want to miss Ameican Idol.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 09:41 AM

Ha ha.

I hope they're getting better rates than I am!!! Comcast Sucks!!!

Jim__Clark

03-03-2005, 09:49 AM

chewbaccad

03-03-2005, 09:56 AM

Definitely a candidate for best episode yet...

So nice of ABC to give us a number puzzle and then several weeks to figure it out!! I want more now!

Claire is not the sharpest knife in the drawer... ;)

bdlucas

03-03-2005, 10:00 AM

I caught the "Box company in Tustin" as being the one Locke worked for immediately. The wording and voice inflection of the way the financial advisor described the company was identical to how Locke described it to boone.

Locke: "I worked for a box company [pause], yeah, we made boxes..."

Financial advisor: "Your box company in Tustin is way up. [pause], yeah, they make boxes... people need boxes..."

OK, it's a long shot - but could the "boxes" be coffins? As in "people need coffins", eventually? This would tie them both in some way to the empty coffin...

hefe

03-03-2005, 10:05 AM

...The wording and voice inflection of the way the financial advisor described the company was identical to how Locke described it to boone.

Locke: "I worked for a box company [pause], yeah, we made boxes..."

Financial advisor: "Your box company in Tustin is way up. [pause], yeah, they make boxes... people need boxes..."

Well, not exactly..Did he make an explanation to another person?
BOONE: What do you do in the real world, Mr. Locke?

LOCKE: I was a ... regional collections supervisor for a box company.

BOONE: (scoffs) Yeah, right.

CUT TO:

LOCKE: You should turn around, Boone, and head back.

BOONE: What about you?

LOCKE: I can take care of myself.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 10:06 AM

It's funny how Hurley was considered "crazy" in the states. He is the most sane one on the island now. His line about the monster and how it is strange that nobody is looking for it (or any other answers) was great. It is what most of us viewers are asking too.

And Claire mentioned her pregnancy length. I'm tellin you, the writers read this message board! :)

hefe

03-03-2005, 10:09 AM

OK, it's a long shot - but could the "boxes" be coffins? As in "people need coffins", eventually? This would tie them both in some way to the empty coffin...
Sure, could be...I posted a "box list" a bit a few pages back...linked for those just joining...http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=2661079&&#post2661079

mask2343

03-03-2005, 10:13 AM

Boxes:
Jack's father (casket)
Kate's safe deposit box
Rousseau's music box
The box that Michael's letters to Walt were kept in.
Locke working in the box factory
Hurley owning the box factory
Lenny shouting when he heard that Hugo used the numbers, "You've opened the box!"
You forgot the briefcase with the guns and the capsule/bunker. Maybe even backgammon box. Stretches, but maybe relevant.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 10:15 AM

Where is the "black box" from the aircraft? :)

pmyers

03-03-2005, 10:16 AM

You forgot the briefcase with the guns and the capsule/bunker...

And apparently so did Jack! Why wouldn't he have brought a gun or two with them on their trip?

hefe

03-03-2005, 10:16 AM

You forgot the briefcase with the guns and the capsule/bunker. Maybe even backgammon box. Stretches, but maybe relevant.
I did consider the first two, I wasn't sure that fit the theme, but they may.
And the black box is a good one!

Paperboy2003

03-03-2005, 10:17 AM

Hate to nitpick, but people who are worth 156 mil don't fly commercial.

Just thought I'd throw that out there....Loved the episode though

pmyers

03-03-2005, 10:18 AM

Hate to nitpick, but people who are worth 156 mil don't fly commercial.

Just thought I'd throw that out there....Loved the episode though

well he was new to money...plus he could have been in first class

mask2343

03-03-2005, 10:21 AM

Or he couldn't fit into a Learjet. G-5 should have been good though.

TAsunder

03-03-2005, 10:23 AM

I assumed that the listening post that Sam and Lenny were at is the island. But that would have put them there during the time of the French Lady (she's been there for 16 years, and it was 4 years ago that the guys left the island right?). But that would explain why a radio tower is on the island and perhaps why there is a bunker.

Weren't a lot of nuclear bombs tested on Pacific atolls?

Is that Lost season finale thread real spoilers? Or possible spoilers?

J

I don't think so... it seemed apparent to me that they were on the mainland and had picked up the transmission from the island. They said it was very faint. The lady also mentioned the reason why they were at the post which indicated to me that it was not in the middle of nowhere.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 10:27 AM

Or he couldn't fit into a Learjet. G-5 should have been good though.

Thats priceless!!!!!!

I didn't think about the fact the he might not be flying commercial. There could be many reasons he was flying commercial.

I think you usually have to be worth slightly more than him to have your own plane and crew. Think of how much of his money is tied up in investments and stocks. He doesn't have $156 million in fluid cash....

getbak

03-03-2005, 10:38 AM

He may be worth $156 million, but I don't think he had embraced his "good fortune" enough to think about not flying a commercial flight.

The thing I wondered about though, if he thinks the numbers are cursed, why would he have flown on Flight #815? Surely there must have been other flights available.

I wonder if he was hoping for the plane to go down?

Fish Man

03-03-2005, 10:41 AM

Well, not exactly..Did he make an explanation to another person?

The entire line was, in fact:

LOCKE: I was a ... regional collections supervisor for a box company [pause] yeah, we made boxes. (The part after the pause delivered very much like the financial advisor saying, "yeah, they make boxes.")

BOONE: (scoffs) Yeah, right.

OK, it's a long shot - but could the "boxes" be coffins? As in "people need coffins", eventually? This would tie them both in some way to the empty coffin...

That thought crossed my mind to as I watched the episode.

Who knows?

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 10:47 AM

OK, it's a long shot - but could the "boxes" be coffins? As in "people need coffins", eventually? This would tie them both in some way to the empty coffin...
You're suggesting that Locke and the broker were both talking about the same company and that they both referred to it as a "box company" instead of a "coffin company"?

Sounds unlikely.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 10:50 AM

I don't think the boxes are coffins. I mean not everyone get s a coffin. Some are creamated....

cl44

03-03-2005, 10:57 AM

4-8-15-16-23-42
15+16+23=54
54-8-4=42

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 10:59 AM

Where is John Nash when you need him.....

mask2343

03-03-2005, 11:01 AM

4-8-15-16-23-42
15+16+23=54
54-8-4=42
If we're going down the "Hichhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Route" the capsule show us that white mice run the island and are using it to build other islands and find the meaning of life.

DevdogAZ

03-03-2005, 11:02 AM

Hate to nitpick, but people who are worth 156 mil don't fly commercial.

Just thought I'd throw that out there....Loved the episode though
They do if they want to continue to be worth $156 mil for very long.

Seriously though, it probably cost him $1000 or less to fly round trip to Australia on Oceanic. I would probably cost tens or hundreds of thousands to fly a private jet. Not really any reason to do that for one person. However, I do question why he was in coach. Isn't the section of the plane that all the survivors were sitting in the middle? Didn't we see Hurley in one of the crash flashbacks sitting by the other characters? Would he even fit in a coach seat?

Fish Man

03-03-2005, 11:05 AM

You're suggesting that Locke and the broker were both talking about the same company and that they both referred to it as a "box company" instead of a "coffin company"?

Sounds unlikely.

I agree. Why would either Locke of the Financial adviser be using a euphemism, they'd have just said "casket company".

However, "boxes" of whatever type appear to be a recurring theme on the show.

And to bring the issue completely down to earth:

I've actually seen articles about how the production of cardboard shipping boxes has increased by many times over the last 10 years or so as internet shopping becomes more and more popular. Locke probably worked for (and Hurley owned majority share in) a company that made cardboard shipping boxes. As "unsexy" as this business sounds, it is indeed very lucrative and profitable.

5thcrewman

03-03-2005, 11:15 AM

...Seriously though, it probably cost him $1000 or less to fly round trip to Australia on Oceanic. I would probably cost tens or hundreds of thousands to fly a private jet. Not really any reason to do that for one person. However, I do question why he was in coach. Isn't the section of the plane that all the survivors were sitting in the middle? Didn't we see Hurley in one of the crash flashbacks sitting by the other characters? Would he even fit in a coach seat?
Even 2 Coach seats would be cheaper than First Class and who thinks Oceanic wouldn't have charged Hurley for 2 seats?

BIG QUESTION FOR SCREEN CAPPERS:
When Hurley was driving his H2 he was wearing some bling around his neck. 2 necklaces of what appeared to be Chinese symbols- anyone with a translation?

hefe

03-03-2005, 11:17 AM

You're suggesting that Locke and the broker were both talking about the same company and that they both referred to it as a "box company" instead of a "coffin company"?

Sounds unlikely.

True, we're throwing out all kinds of possible links, but the one sure thing is that they are talking about the same company. Both are box companies, both are in Tustin...

chipsndip

03-03-2005, 11:18 AM

The numbers website is up now, and it is definitely alias related. Not too much there yet, and the page source doesn't reveal anything interesting, except that the image name is 4815162342pi.jpg . Is that PI, the magic number? Or does it stand for something? Hmm.

Hurley is a great scene stealer - it was great to see his whole episode. My favorite line (after a three second pause)... "Dude - is someone shooting at us?". :)

-Sean

hefe

03-03-2005, 11:18 AM

[QUOTE=Fish Man]The entire line was, in fact:

Well shame on me for assuming that the transcript I've got bookmarked is complete! ;) Now I'll have to watch that again.

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 11:22 AM

Is that PI, the magic number? Or does it stand for something? Hmm.

No that is not the mathematical PI.

pi = 3.1415........this goes on for a long time..........

chipsndip

03-03-2005, 11:25 AM

Maybe that sequence in contained within the PI sequence somewhere...

Also, forgot to mention - with all the numbers symbolism - Locke has theoretically been paralyzed for 4 years - in Walkabout he says "I've been living with it for four years".

-Sean

hefe

03-03-2005, 11:31 AM

Even 2
BIG QUESTION FOR SCREEN CAPPERS:
When Hurley was driving his H2 he was wearing some bling around his neck. 2 necklaces of what appeared to be Chinese symbols- anyone with a translation?

Or Korean??? Holee, where are you?!
Click to enlarge
http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers210.jpg (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=32350&fullsize=1)

He also had a nice watch that Jin would be jealous of.. :)

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers177.jpg

pmyers

03-03-2005, 11:32 AM

Damn you guys are good! I bet that symbol turns out to have some meaning.

hefe

03-03-2005, 11:32 AM

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 11:33 AM

pi = 3.1415........this goes on for a long time..........
A very, very long time...

chipsndip

03-03-2005, 11:33 AM

Update: page source now reveals meta keywords, including

spoiler?? I don't know how to do spoiler tags... :

Number stations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station). Quote from Wiki: "Numbers stations appear and disappear continuously, although some stick to regular schedules, and their overall activity has increased slightly since the early 1990s. It has been speculated that these stations operate as a simple and foolproof method for government agencies to communicate with spies "in the field", using the transmitted codes as a one-time pad cryptosystem. "

-Sean

JoeBarbs

03-03-2005, 11:34 AM

jerobi

03-03-2005, 11:36 AM

I don't think pi is involved. Here's the url of that image:

http://img181.exs.cx:81/img181/3195/48151623423pi.jpg

Some quick Google scans show that exs.cx is a generic image hosting site. The subdirectories seem normal for the other images it hosts, so no clues there. I noticed a lot of images seem to have a random 2-character ending. Not all of them as a rule, but a lot.

5thcrewman

03-03-2005, 11:38 AM

Or Korean??? Holee, where are you?!
Click to enlarge
http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers210.jpg (http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimagepopup&pid=32350&fullsize=1)

He also had a nice watch that Jin would be jealous of.. :)

http://www.lost-media.com/modules/coppermine/albums/ep-caps/season1/1x18-numbers/normal_numbers177.jpg
There was a second medallion below the one seen here. I think you can see both of them better as he's helping his mom out of the Hummer.

NEXT QUESTIONS:
Number on Hurley's jersey? Any significance to the letter 'G' on the collar of the shirt worn under the jersey?

pmyers

03-03-2005, 11:38 AM

The one thing that I really don't understand is how is Hurley not losing any weight?!?!?!?! Its been a month now that they have been on this island, no? If the guy playing Hurley was truly a good actor, he would be sheding the pounds.

Can we just please let this go.....I guess if the girl who plays Claire was truly a good actress she would be gaining weight instead of looking like a 95 pound stick with a bowling ball under her shirt?

jerobi

03-03-2005, 11:38 AM

Some Whois info. Looks like this was reg'd late last night and someone is protecting the registration info. So late and presumably after the time the show airedin fact, that it makes me wonder if this is just a quick-thinking fan that likes to mess with people.

Domain name: 4815162342.COM

Registrant Contact:
RegisterFly.com - Ref# 16209516
Whois Protection Service - ProtectFly.com (16209516.fly@spamfly.com)
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Fax: +1.2122952153
230 Park Avenue
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Administrative Contact:
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RegisterFly.com - Ref# 16209516
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Billing Contact:
RegisterFly.com - Ref# 16209516
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Status: Active

Name Servers:
NS.PRO-DNS.NET
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Creation date: 02 Mar 2005 21:28:27
Expiration date: 02 Mar 2006 21:28:27

chipsndip

03-03-2005, 11:41 AM

New update ... I think they're spying on us!! Source code now reads...

"<! --
There are no secrets hidden in the source code. Feel free to look, but, anything you find will only be a coincidence.
-->"

-Sean :eek:

mask2343

03-03-2005, 11:44 AM

Pi not involved

http://www.angio.net/pi/bigpi.cgi?UsrQuery=4815162342

jerobi

03-03-2005, 11:44 AM

I don't think pi is involved. Here's the url of that image:

http://img181.exs.cx:81/img181/3195/48151623423pi.jpg

hey, I just noticed that there is an extra 3 at the end. There wasn't when someone mentioned it earlier. Maybe this guy is messing with the images?

JoeBarbs

03-03-2005, 11:45 AM

Can we just please let this go.....I guess if the girl who plays Claire was truly a good actress she would be gaining weight instead of looking like a 95 pound stick with a bowling ball under her shirt?

Now why would she be gaining weight? other than in her belly? Oh thats right, because of all those late night urges for pickles and ice cream. She keeps running out to that Ben & Jerry's open 24 hrs a day on the north side of the island :rolleyes:

jerobi

03-03-2005, 11:49 AM

Rangers4me

03-03-2005, 11:51 AM

The chinese character around his neck is "fu," meaning fortune, happiness.

mqpickles

03-03-2005, 11:52 AM

mqpickles

03-03-2005, 11:57 AM

Okay, now my gripe about recent episodes: the raft. Why are some of the survivors so worried about who will get to be on the raft? In particular, why would Sawyer buy a place on the raft? I don't see the benefit.

Assuming the raft makes it to civilization, I would expect the rafters to tell the authorities that there are other survivors on the island, and a rescue party would be sent out to the right location.

For that matter, it has bothered me that Michael would put Walt's life at more jeopardy taking him out on the ocean, when if Michael could successfully get to civilization, he could send someoen back for his son. And if the raft trip failed, well, then at least he hasn't killed his kid too.

mqpickles

03-03-2005, 11:59 AM

Now why would she be gaining weight? other than in her belly? Oh thats right, because of all those late night urges for pickles and ice cream. She keeps running out to that Ben & Jerry's open 24 hrs a day on the north side of the island :rolleyes:
Then we'd have the whole endless "Emilie DeRaven -- Fat!" thread to contend with for weeks on end.

JoeBarbs

03-03-2005, 12:01 PM

mqpickles

03-03-2005, 12:06 PM

There best bet is to put Hurley on the raft alone. We all know that good things happen to him, while bad things happen to those around him. Good idea!
We know he is safe on rickety, not-up-to code structures.
And maybe he'd lose some weight on the trip.

pmyers

03-03-2005, 12:08 PM

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:10 PM

I totally agree. Unless that "monster" starts killing lots of people, I'd rather stay on the island and hope that the people who go in the raft find help and send it back. I'd say your chances for survival are much better on the island than on the raft.

Like Hurley said, maybe it's just a pissed off giraffe. :)

But would you really want Hurley's bad luck on the rescue raft? Everyone needs that to succeed.

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 12:15 PM

The one thing that I really don't understand is how is Hurley not losing any weight?!?!?!?! Its been a month now that they have been on this island, no? If the guy playing Hurley was truly a good actor, he would be sheding the pounds.

Hurley had a conversation with someone early on. They asked why he wasn't losing weight. He said he was. It was 20 lbs. or something like that. He said it was tough to notice because he was so big to begin with. 20 lbs. on somebody that big would be nothing. 20 lbs. on someone like me (155 lbs) would be very noticable.

JoeBarbs

03-03-2005, 12:18 PM

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 12:19 PM

Assuming the raft makes it to civilization, I would expect the rafters to tell the authorities that there are other survivors on the island, and a rescue party would be sent out to the right location.
You make it sound as if they knew where the island was.

Lets say the raft travels for a week before running into a ship. The people on the raft are saved, but now the authorities have to try to figure out where the island is.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 12:20 PM

You make it sound as if they knew where the island was.

Lets say the raft travels for a week before running into a ship. The people on the raft are saved, but now the authorities have to try to figure out where the island is.
When they KNOW there are survivors out there, they will search until they find them. There is only so much land on earth...if they ARE on earth.

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 12:20 PM

The chinese character around his neck is "fu," meaning fortune, happiness.
You mean "fortune" as in "luck"? What about bad luck? Is that the same character?

Amnesia

03-03-2005, 12:21 PM

When they KNOW there are survivors out there, they will search until they find them.
Sure, but look how long it took for the survivors of The Minnow to be rescued...

JoeBarbs

03-03-2005, 12:22 PM

You make it sound as if they knew where the island was.

Lets say the raft travels for a week before running into a ship. The people on the raft are saved, but now the authorities have to try to figure out where the island is.

I thought of that also. But at least they would then know that there are survivors on a island. up to this point for all they know is that the plane went down in the middle of the ocean.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 12:22 PM

Sure, but look how long it took for the survivors of The Minnow to be rescued...
Ah, but they WERE rescued! :D

mqpickles

03-03-2005, 12:23 PM

You make it sound as if they knew where the island was.

Lets say the raft travels for a week before running into a ship. The people on the raft are saved, but now the authorities have to try to figure out where the island is. Well, from the earliest episodes, we know they were 1000 miles off course when they crashed. That's what the pilot said. I don't remember if they said 1000 miles in which direction, but even if not, it narrows things down.

Paperboy2003

03-03-2005, 12:24 PM

My favorite thing about this episode is that Walt has repeatedly talked about how much money Hurley owes him from backgammon. Last week, Walt told Locke Hurley owed $83,000.

I'd always assumed it was just a number pulled from the air because no way would Hurley be good for it. Now we know that's pocket change to him.

From last weeks thread:

A slight lead (I thought) into next week's episode is when Walt says he's been playing backgammon and that Hurley owes him $83,000. With his lottery (or whatever) winnings, I bet we find out he can pay that debt easily.

great minds think alike....

mqpickles

03-03-2005, 12:25 PM

Good call, Paperboy.

dswallow

03-03-2005, 12:26 PM

So are you saying his weight loss is equivalent to throwing a chair off the Titanic?

Also, how the hell would he possibly know if he lost 20 pounds? I haven't seen any scales on the island.
Back then chairs probably weighed more than 20 pounds; things were built with real solid stuff, ya know. ;)

mask2343

03-03-2005, 12:27 PM

Back then chairs probably weighed more than 20 pounds; things were built with real solid stuff, ya know. ;)
Yeah, that Titanic was REAL solid. :)

dswallow

03-03-2005, 12:27 PM

Yeah, that Titanic was REAL solid. :)
Even solid things can break. ;)

TAsunder

03-03-2005, 12:29 PM

Based on the wikipedia site, I'm going to guess that the finding nemo song preceded each broadcast.

20 lbs a month is amazing weight loss. I doubt many people here could lose that weight legitimately (i.e. not sweating out all your water or taking laxatives). I thought he said he lost inches, not specific weight. He also is likely building muscle which tends to offset fat loss early on.

So maybe the station was originally an encoded spy broadcast but the numbers ala Pi (the movie, not the number) had some secret power that the original broadcasters were not aware of. As a result, things are going wrong now. The hatch will thus reveal some sort of spy type stuff and they will discover that the spies who manned the station had some fortune or misfortune.

I hope there is no alias tie in. That would be unbelievably lame unless executed flawlessly.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 12:32 PM

I hope there is no alias tie in. That would be unbelievably lame unless executed flawlessly.
Do you mean like the capsule being the Rimbaldi device? That would be lame. :down:

emandbri

03-03-2005, 12:33 PM

Hate to nitpick, but people who are worth 156 mil don't fly commercial.

Just thought I'd throw that out there....Loved the episode though

He also could afford more then a $40 cd player (I have the same one)! lol

Emily

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 12:33 PM

You make it sound as if they knew where the island was.

Lets say the raft travels for a week before running into a ship. The people on the raft are saved, but now the authorities have to try to figure out where the island is.

There's also the French woman's transmission. If they know what frequency it's on, they should be able to zero in on it.

goman

03-03-2005, 12:35 PM

I agree. Why would either Locke of the Financial adviser be using a euphemism, they'd have just said "casket company".

However, "boxes" of whatever type appear to be a recurring theme on the show.

And to bring the issue completely down to earth:

I've actually seen articles about how the production of cardboard shipping boxes has increased by many times over the last 10 years or so as internet shopping becomes more and more popular. Locke probably worked for (and Hurley owned majority share in) a company that made cardboard shipping boxes. As "unsexy" as this business sounds, it is indeed very lucrative and profitable.
Actually I watched a PBS program on Walmart and while this point is not specifically about Walmart, they were interviewing someone from the shipping yards in Long Beach/San Pedro and the US #1 export to China is guess what.. recycled cardboard boxes. We send China empty cardboard boxes and they fill them up with Tivos! :)

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 12:39 PM

20 lbs a month is amazing weight loss. I doubt many people here could lose that weight legitimately (i.e. not sweating out all your water or taking laxatives).

Last year I lost 25 lbs. in 2 months (thank you Dr. Atkins) and I wasn't that big to begin with. Living on a high protein diet (lots of fish and boar meat), no processed sugar (fresh fruit and veggies) is very Atkins. 20 lbs. in one month for someone his size is not unheard of.

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:40 PM

Hurley had a conversation with someone early on. They asked why he wasn't losing weight. He said he was. It was 20 lbs. or something like that. He said it was tough to notice because he was so big to begin with. 20 lbs. on somebody that big would be nothing. 20 lbs. on someone like me (155 lbs) would be very noticable.

He never gave an actual weight. Here is the converastion with Charlie:

(Charlie and Hurley walk through the jungle. Hurley's carrying some luggage
back to the caves.)
HURLEY: Food from the plane's been gone over a week, Dude.
CHARLIE: What, no secret stash for emergencies? You and jack have got a bunch of stuff in that cave.
HURLEY: Sorry, man. No peanut butter, no peanuts, no nothing.
CHALRIE: Yeah, but there's got to be something. I mean, look at you.
(Hurley stops walking. He's just been insulted. He turns and looks at
Charlie.)
HURLEY: Look at what?
CHARLIE: No, no, listen --
HURLEY: Fat guy hoarding the food? Is that what you think?
CHARLIE: No! It's just we've been here for two weeks, you know, and you've not
really -
HURLEY: (interrupts) Slimmed down much?
CHARLIE: (whispers) All I need's a bag of peanuts.
HURLEY: (shouts) I have no food, all right? And for the record, I'm down a notch on my belt.
CHARLIE: Oh.
HURLEY: I'm a big guy. It's gonna be a while before you're gonna wanna give me
a piggy-back ride, okay?
(Hurley starts walking back to the caves.)
CHALRIE: Sorry. Sorry. That was bad form.
HURLEY: Yeah, I'm used to it.
CHARLIE: So, not even a bag of --
HURLEY: Dude!
CHARLIE: Okay. All right, I'm sorry.

Kamakzie

03-03-2005, 12:43 PM

Would you guys say Hurley is somewhere between 350-400 pounds?

TAsunder

03-03-2005, 12:44 PM

Last year I lost 25 lbs. in 2 months (thank you Dr. Atkins) and I wasn't that big to begin with. Living on a high protein diet (lots of fish and boar meat), no processed sugar (fresh fruit and veggies) is very Atkins. 20 lbs. in one month for someone his size is not unheard of.

I agree but people seem to be expecting him to be a twig. 20lbs is at the high end of what could be expected in a month. I said amazing not unbelievable. 100lbs would be outrageous and unhealthy.

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 12:44 PM

Thanks for the clarification... I remembered the gist of that conversation. I knew I could count on someone here for details!

dswallow

03-03-2005, 12:48 PM

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 12:49 PM

I imagine if the survivors managed to make it back to the US our government could use satellite imagery to help in the search (if they can use satellites to track to warm bodies in a building's basement like on 24 surely they could do this).

If/when they actually get this raft off the island they better have a great plan in place to either navigate or coordinate with a search....

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:50 PM

mask2343

03-03-2005, 12:54 PM

Here's another thought that just popped into my head...

The box factory that Hurley acquired...could Locke have been injured at the factory when Hurley and his luck came along? But wait, Locke said he had been dealing with his condition for 4 years. (Another 4) I don't think Hurley had the money that long ago, especially since there was what seemed like such a recent story on Hurley on Korean TV.

Oh, well...my brain is working overtime...
The story on TV wasn't too recent. Wasn't that on at the time that Jin got the puppy. And we know that the puppy grew up into a full sized dog before the crash. How fast do dogs grow...1-2 years?

Bierboy

03-03-2005, 12:55 PM

Would you guys say Hurley is somewhere between 350-400 pounds? He's 6-1 and 350 pounds.

TiVoSoFine

03-03-2005, 12:58 PM

You mean "fortune" as in "luck"? What about bad luck? Is that the same character?

It means "good" fortune or luck.

MacThor

03-03-2005, 12:58 PM

Here's another thought that just popped into my head...

The box factory that Hurley acquired...could Locke have been injured at the factory when Hurley and his luck came along? But wait, Locke said he had been dealing with his condition for 4 years. (Another 4) I don't think Hurley had the money that long ago, especially since there was what seemed like such a recent story on Hurley on Korean TV.

Oh, well...my brain is working overtime...

I thought the same thing.....Locke's condition happened when Hurley bought the company. The timeline did seem too short in the flashbacks, though. Specifically, driving the H2 in what seemed to be the first year after winning the lotto.

Hurley couldn't hit up Rousseau for some AAA's for his CD player? :)

DevdogAZ

03-03-2005, 12:58 PM

He also could afford more then a $40 cd player (I have the same one)! lol

Emily
We don't know that it's his CD player though. My guess is it's just something he found in the wreckage.

hefe

03-03-2005, 12:59 PM

The story on TV wasn't too recent. Wasn't that on at the time that Jin got the puppy. And we know that the puppy grew up into a full sized dog before the crash. How fast do dogs grow...1-2 years?

Perhaps, but the time between the accountant telling him he had acquired a box factory, to the time he went to the mental hospital and then to Australia would have been less than 4 years. Probably more like a couple weeks.
(What's it come to? Now I'm debunking my own theories...)

jimborst

03-03-2005, 12:59 PM

Here's another thought that just popped into my head...

The box factory that Hurley acquired...could Locke have been injured at the factory when Hurley and his luck came along? But wait, Locke said he had been dealing with his condition for 4 years. (Another 4) I don't think Hurley had the money that long ago, especially since there was what seemed like such a recent story on Hurley on Korean TV.

Oh, well...my brain is working overtime...

Hurley did have time to double his money, so the win must have been a while ago. Have we decided if Hurley was a patient with the guy that said the numbers over and over, or a worker?

DevdogAZ

03-03-2005, 01:00 PM

Here's another thought that just popped into my head...

The box factory that Hurley acquired...could Locke have been injured at the factory when Hurley and his luck came along? But wait, Locke said he had been dealing with his condition for 4 years. (Another 4) I don't think Hurley had the money that long ago, especially since there was what seemed like such a recent story on Hurley on Korean TV.

Oh, well...my brain is working overtime...
When Hurley was about to tell Charlie his secret, just before they started getting shot at, Hurley said, "About a year ago..."

So I assume the lottery win happened about a year ago. That's enough time for Jin and Sun's puppy to grow and for her to learn english.

MitchO

03-03-2005, 01:01 PM

Would you guys say Hurley is somewhere between 350-400 pounds?

I have a friend who is 6'5" and 320, and he probably looks in a bit worse shape than Hurley.

I'd guess in the 310 range.

pmyers

03-03-2005, 01:01 PM

Dogs grow fast....I put about 6 months to a year between Hurley winning the lottery and the plane crash. Same time frame for Sun and Jin

ovr8ted

03-03-2005, 01:02 PM

Can we please stop obsessing about Hurley's weight? What about Jack's hair or Sayid's trimmed beard? C'mon people! (Leyton Hewett's voice there ;) )

Now, it seems to me that in order for the "Curse" to end, the tower must be destroyed, and no new people may come to the island. This, of course, means our castaways must end their days there. Are humans willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of everyone else? Sounds like a question an alien might ask.

dreamst8

03-03-2005, 01:03 PM

4+15+23 = 42

8+16.......= 24

Hmmmm

Ever notice the 2 scratches on Jack's face are on only 1 side, his right side, but there are plenty of scenes where it is on the left side?? (The Premier Episode reveals this flaw...or does it)

MacThor

03-03-2005, 01:03 PM

Oh, I totally loved the "in-joke" when the accountant said "How could the Police Department mistake you for a drug dealer?" Kind of like the "paper company in Slough."

JJ said he saw Jorge playing the drug dealer in "Curb Your Enthusiasm" and wanted him for the part.

MacThor

03-03-2005, 01:06 PM

Can we please stop obsessing about Hurley's weight? What about Jack's hair or Sayid's trimmed beard? C'mon people! (Leyton Hewett's voice there ;) )

NO. Matthew Fox must be a terrible actor because Jack's hair hasn't grown.

:)

mwhip

03-03-2005, 01:09 PM

"I can make it. I'm spry".

I can actually relate for being a big guy I can move around pretty well.

digdug

03-03-2005, 01:10 PM

The numbers on the bunker, capsule, hatch, look like the registration numbers on the aft of a boat hull. I don' think so but could be a buried hull with a entrance hatch.

The repeating radio transmission with numbers is a take off on the numbers stations that abound on HF radio. Here is a link to numbers station information.

http://home.freeuk.com/spook007/

Jim

Very interesting. I did some digging and came up with a site where you can download and listen to Mp3 files of actual Numbers Station recordings from the last 20 years.

http://www.archive.org/audio/audio-details-db.php?collection=irdial&collectionid=ird059&from=mostViewed&PHPSESSID=adc7edd0a9905cf40aa7de434a3203ee

JETarpon

03-03-2005, 01:19 PM

So I assume the lottery win happened about a year ago. That's enough time for Jin and Sun's puppy to grow and for her to learn english.

II think it would take a heck of a lot longer than a year for a puppy to learn english.

TivoDaddy

03-03-2005, 01:22 PM

He also could afford more then a $40 cd player (I have the same one)! lol

Emily
Has it been revealed that it was actually his CD player and not just one that he found amongst the scattered belongings?

Edit: to add that devdogaz already answered that. :)

mask2343

03-03-2005, 01:22 PM

II think it would take a heck of a lot longer than a year for a puppy to learn english.

:D :D Boy I needed that laugh today. :)

danplaysbass

03-03-2005, 01:28 PM

JoeBarbs

03-03-2005, 01:48 PM

Would you guys say Hurley is somewhere between 350-400 pounds?

He's north of 400. My guess is 425

MitchO

03-03-2005, 01:50 PM

Just a note: the numbers' site has added a forum.

swinca

03-03-2005, 01:54 PM

There was a second medallion below the one seen here. I think you can see both of them better as he's helping his mom out of the Hummer.

NEXT QUESTIONS:
Number on Hurley's jersey? Any significance to the letter 'G' on the collar of the shirt worn under the jersey?

The Jersey appears to be the Sean John label. The shirt under it could be G-Unit or another hip-hop clothing label.

jeff125va

03-03-2005, 01:56 PM

I think we are looking too hard at the numbers. I assume that whoever originally broadcast those numbers knew or had seen the capsule/bunker with the numbers on it. It could just be a serial number of some sort. Our government uses all kinds of numeric codes which represent various things...
I agree. When we saw them at the end, I just figured that was the origin of the numbers. Obviously there are still some gaps to be filled in, but as far as where they came from or their ultimate significance, I don't think it goes beyond some sort of serial number on that capsule or whatever it is. Which, btw, it appears they've made some progress on digging around it... I think?

And I remembered right away about Locke working for a box company, but it amazes me that some of you guys caught the whole Tustin thing, pretty much confirming it was the same company.

LostMommy

03-03-2005, 01:57 PM

Okay, this is my first post here but I've been reading along for several weeks now. My observations (keeping in mind I missed 2-3 episodes in the beginning, but not the pilot):

About the hatch/bunker: Why doesn't Locke and Boone dig around it to see how extensive it is? If they can't open it, they could at least try and see if it is indeed a submarine, boat, or just a long, thin capsule/missile. I think perhaps the contents of this thing has some evil force/vibe, hence, the numbers carrying the badness with it?

About Hurley: Bad things only happen to those he CARES about. He may like his fellow castaways but I don't think they're too tight yet, not like a family member would be. And in an earlier episode didn't he say something like he was like a super hero, that nothing bad ever happened to him?

Okay, no one has asked yet, but what was the song Hurley was jamming to in his Hummer when his mom slugged him?

Why do children tend to go missing on Wednesday nights btwn 8-9? We missed the part between when Hurley sat down w/Lenny and asked about the numbers, then it jumped to him just getting across the bridge.

This was our first episode in HD (recorded, too busy putting the chitlins down during airing) and it was magnificent!

Hope you guys are still out there!
Sarah

mask2343

03-03-2005, 01:58 PM

I have never read "A Wrinkle in Time". Anyone care to tell us the significance of Sawyer reading that book?

pmyers

03-03-2005, 02:00 PM

...About Hurley: Bad things only happen to those he CARES about. He may like his fellow castaways but I don't think they're too tight yet, not like a family member would be. And in an earlier episode didn't he say something like he was like a super hero, that nothing bad ever happened to him?...

I don't believe that's true. Remember the guy falling/jumping off the building, or what we assume was going to happen to the guy changing the lightbulb?

Blackwolf

03-03-2005, 02:02 PM

Just a note: the numbers' site has added a forum.

This is exactly why I'm not convinced that this is by ABC. They already have an official board at The Fuselage.

I'm not going to "look for clues" on the site, since it's getting to be even more obvious that it's a fanmade site trying to capitalize on the Lost phenomenon.

Wish I had thought of that. :/

Talsin

03-03-2005, 02:03 PM

Not in the first 100 million digits at least...

Kevdog

03-03-2005, 02:04 PM

Last year I lost 25 lbs. in 2 months (thank you Dr. Atkins) and I wasn't that big to begin with. Living on a high protein diet (lots of fish and boar meat), no processed sugar (fresh fruit and veggies) is very Atkins. 20 lbs. in one month for someone his size is not unheard of.

Actually, Hurley in an earlier episode said he was eating mostly fruit. That's a very un-Atkins hi-carb diet. (Though probably healthier than the buckets of fried chicken he was eating before he won the lottery.) :)

Kevdog

03-03-2005, 02:11 PM

ya we do test a lot on pacific islands. We dont do nuclear stuff but we test the reentry vehicles (A nuclear delivery system) and their accuracy. Think the bomb minus the bomb.

Not to be too nit-picky, but we don't do nuclear tests in the Pacific *any more*. But from from 1946 to 1963 (when the atmospheric test ban treat took effect), the. U.S. conducted 106 atmospheric nuclear tests (think mushroom clound) on the Bikini, Enewetak and Johnston Atolls, all of which are in the rough vicinity of where Lost is set. We conducted below ground tests there more recently (through the early 1970s, I believe.) The British conducted a number of nuclear test explosions at Kiritimati and Malden islands in Kiribati from 1957 to 1958. France conducted below ground tests on the Mururoa Atoll from 1966 to 1974.

Sorry, can't help it. I'm a geek and a former history major. :D

tigger

03-03-2005, 02:12 PM

Except for the initial peanut butter scenes and Hurley's reluctance to eat food Jin had gathered, I don't really recall anyone moaning about being hungry; seems like they aren't eating too poorly so far.

Although at the end of this episode, when Charlie came up to Hurley at the fire, he made a joke that even though food was "scarce" (don't remember the exact wording, but that was the impression I remember), Hurley didn't have to eat his shirt....[because he was drying his shirt over the fire]. :D

TAsunder

03-03-2005, 02:13 PM

It's good carbs though... complex carbs.

I agree that it's not just people he cares about. 8 people he didn't know at all died in that fire, for example.

TAsunder

03-03-2005, 02:14 PM

Not to be too nit-picky, but we don't do nuclear tests in the Pacific *any more*. But from from 1946 to 1963 (when the atmospheric test ban treat took effect), the. U.S. conducted 106 atmospheric nuclear tests (think mushroom clound) on the Bikini, Enewetak and Johnston Atolls, all of which are in the rough vicinity of where Lost is set. We conducted below ground tests there more recently (through the early 1970s, I believe.) The British conducted a number of nuclear test explosions at Kiritimati and Malden islands in Kiribati from 1957 to 1958. France conducted below ground tests on the Mururoa Atoll from 1966 to 1974.

Sorry, can't help it. I'm a geek and a former history major. :D

Thanks for the update but the person you quoted also said we don't do them any more. :D

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 02:18 PM

Actually, Hurley in an earlier episode said he was eating mostly fruit. That's a very un-Atkins hi-carb diet. (Though probably healthier than the buckets of fried chicken he was eating before he won the lottery.) :)

That's a pretty common misconception about Atkins. fresh fruit plays a big part of Atkins. It's processed sugar that's to be avoided. With Atkins, most of your carbs come from fruit and vegetables.

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 02:21 PM

Now, it seems to me that in order for the "Curse" to end, the tower must be destroyed, and no new people may come to the island. This, of course, means our castaways must end their days there. Are humans willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of everyone else? Sounds like a question an alien might ask.

There's no need for the tower to be destroyed. The French woman changed the broadcast 16 years ago. The numbers are lo longer being broadcast, it's now her distress call.

mask2343

03-03-2005, 02:29 PM

There's no need for the tower to be destroyed. The French woman changed the broadcast 16 years ago. The numbers are lo longer being broadcast, it's now her distress call.
But it's drawing people to the island...where bad things happen to them.

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 02:32 PM

But it's drawing people to the island...where bad things happen to them.

Who did her message draw to the island? The survivors of the plane crash didn't pick it up until after the crash.

chipsndip

03-03-2005, 02:36 PM

I have never read "A Wrinkle in Time". Anyone care to tell us the significance of Sawyer reading that book?

In "A Wrinkle In Time" a teen girl meets a trio of eccentric women who take her, her boyfriend, and her brother on an adventure to rescue her missing father. Her father worked for an un-named and un-known branch of the government as a physicist, and has been missing for quite some time. The "wrinkle" the title refers to is the ability to bend space/time like a wrinkle in a piece of paper - then you are able to travel from point A to point B via a very short distance, instead of the standard "long" route. The story also involves "the force of darkness" spreading and trying to consume the universe... Those are the things that immediately stand out as potentially relating to the current story.

-Sean

Kevdog

03-03-2005, 02:38 PM

That's a pretty common misconception about Atkins. fresh fruit plays a big part of Atkins. It's processed sugar that's to be avoided. With Atkins, most of your carbs come from fruit and vegetables.

Wasn't dissing Atkins, just pointing out that Hurley wasn't getting a lot of protein. Remember, he couldn't fish til Jin taught him how and Locke and Boone weren't catching any boar. An all fruit diet, despite being "good" sugar, is still a mostly sugar diet. Not the best thing for weight loss. Just sayin'...

mask2343

03-03-2005, 02:40 PM

Who did her message draw to the island? The survivors of the plane crash didn't pick it up until after the crash.
Well nobody yet (that we know). But the radio tower DID bring her group there. Not sure about Ethan's group (if it is a different group). I imagine if someone heard the numbers call, then someone can hear the distress signal. Just throwin ideas out there.

Donbadabon

03-03-2005, 02:40 PM

You mean "fortune" as in "luck"? What about bad luck? Is that the same character?

I sent the photo to a Chinese co-worker, who doesn't know anything about the show, and they replied:

"It means good fortune, blessing"

Similar to what others have stated, but of course maybe the translation is slightly different

Redux

03-03-2005, 02:54 PM

I think it would take a heck of a lot longer than a year for a puppy to learn english.

Leaving the court, having promised to teach the emperor's dog to speak within the year or have his previously-imposed death sentence immediately enforced, the scholar listened to his friend's lament: "But sir, you cannot teach a dog to speak, and so you will surely die."

The wise man replied "Ah, but for now, I live. And a year is a long time; who knows. The dog may die. The emperor may die. I may die. The dog may speak."

KRS

03-03-2005, 02:56 PM

I guess it was just me, but I thought that this episode of Lost was a bit over the top and had a different jokey tone than the rest. His mother breaks her ankle, then the house catches on fire, _and then_ the cops falsely arrest him. <----a little over the top.

Maybe Hurley was on TV in Korea thanks to the odd press conference where his grandfather keeled over.

With $156,000,000+, wouldn't Hurley have gone ahead and gotten some liposuction?

So if Michael needs that lawnmower battery to create a signal*, then I guess all of their flares are used? Hindsight would say that they should have saved them for a passing ship or plane - that would be more valuable than triangulating a radio transmission.

* He will also need a good deal of engineering help creating a device to make the signal

PJO1966

03-03-2005, 03:00 PM

Wasn't dissing Atkins, just pointing out that Hurley wasn't getting a lot of protein. Remember, he couldn't fish til Jin taught him how and Locke and Boone weren't catching any boar. An all fruit diet, despite being "good" sugar, is still a mostly sugar diet. Not the best thing for weight loss. Just sayin'...

Sorry... I forgot he hadn't been eating fish. I was counting that as his primary source of food.

jwjody

03-03-2005, 03:02 PM

So if Michael needs that lawnmower battery to create a signal*, then I guess all of their flares are used? Hindsight would say that they should have saved them for a passing ship or plane - that would be more valuable than triangulating a radio transmission.

Hindsight yeah. At the time they thought it was a way off the island. It wasn't until Sayid went looking did they find out it was fruitless. I think at that time they still expected to be rescued though.

J