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Breezy

01-13-2005, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by toddvj
C'mon breezy, it's not like she's a couple pounds overweight, she's HUGE. She's at least as big now as when she was pregnant, if not bigger. The show just doesn't work like it used to. If Carrie gets hit on, I just think "yeah, right, THAT would happen." She's disgusting. The show's producers should've given her an ultimatum to lose the weight back. Or they should at least not pretend that she looks the same as before.

She's digusting????
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Because she's "fat", she's not attractive enough to get hit on?
And she should be fired because you think she's fat and disgusting?
How do you know she's not sick? How do you know that there isn't
something going on with her health that maybe is preventing her from losing weight?
Funny how we're not hearing how disgusting Kevin James is. Or how it is that Carrie finds him attractive.

5thcrewman

01-13-2005, 06:44 PM

What is it with these sitcoms that pair a fat, shlub with a woman who would never go out with them as their spouse? Are we talking REALLLY low self-esteem here?
I'm talking to you too, Courtney Thorne Smith!!

DevdogAZ

01-13-2005, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by breezy
She's digusting????
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Because she's "fat", she's not attractive enough to get hit on?
And she should be fired because you think she's fat and disgusting?
How do you know she's not sick? How do you know that there isn't
something going on with her health that maybe is preventing her from losing weight?
Funny how we're not hearing how disgusting Kevin James is. Or how it is that Carrie finds him attractive.
Face it breezy, lots of guys watch these shows only because of the hot wife. It's not like the quality of the comedy is that great. When the hot wife is no longer hot, well, that's got to be disappointing for some fans. And the simple fact is - SHE IS FAT. No one said there isn't a good reason for it. I'm sure there is. The truth is, she's probably still smaller than the average american woman, but that doesn't change the fact that she's FAT. If you want to get offended that the standards for men and women are different, go right ahead. But don't get offended when someone states a fact.

Snappa77

01-13-2005, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by laria
Well, she certainly does not look like this anymore :) (skimpy clothes picture, may not be safe for work)

http://www.leahremini.net/photogallery/Bold.jpg

Its not that bad.

http://www.leahremini.net/photogallery/Bold.jpg

toddvj

01-13-2005, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Breezy
She's digusting????
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
Because she's "fat", she's not attractive enough to get hit on?
And she should be fired because you think she's fat and disgusting?
How do you know she's not sick? How do you know that there isn't
something going on with her health that maybe is preventing her from losing weight?
Funny how we're not hearing how disgusting Kevin James is. Or how it is that Carrie finds him attractive.

Yes, it is unrealistic that anyone would hit on her.

She is an actress, and one of the expectations of an that is to be attractive. Sorry, but that's how it is. She gets paid millions of dollars to do what she does, but she isn't willing to excersise more or eat less? If someone paid me the kind of money she makes to play a one-dimensional character like she plays, I would make damn sure I had Six-Pack abs 365 days a year. And the fact is, she won't get any more acting jobs if she keeps looking like she does now.

There probably is something going on with her health, it's called sitting around on your @$$ instead of going to the gym, and stuffing your face instead of eating healthy.

Kevin James is fat, and always was, Leah Remini wasn't. That's why we're talking about it, if she was always fat this wouldn't be much of a topic. As for Carrie finding Doug attractive, I don't know. I mean, besides the fact that it is in the script. And in real life you see atractive women with fat guys a lot more often than the other way around. I guess a lot of women have different qualities they look for in a mate than men do.

Bernie

01-14-2005, 07:17 AM

To the men who posted that she's disgusting..or wouldn't get hit on..how about posting photos of yourselves?

pmyers

01-14-2005, 07:53 AM

I've been verbal about her weight gain on this board for quite a while. While she definately doesn't look near as good as she used to, she is definately not disgusting. I do think that it changes the show a little not having the hot wife and the fat husband.

I do think that considering her job, she should have been much more concerned with her weight gain as well as loosing it more quickly than she is (and she does look like she has lost some of it).

bigcb37

01-14-2005, 07:53 AM

Anyone have a "fat" picture of her or maybe a screen shot from the ep you are describing?

jschuman

01-14-2005, 08:00 AM

My wife and I love King of Queens and I have a few random thoughts on this topic:

- We watch the show because it is funny. We have noticed the weight gain and simply note each episode that she is still large. Not condemning her or anything, just a quick, passing 'oh look she's still fat'.
- The show is funny without her being hot. Yes, it would be nice if she were hot again, but until she is, the show still works.
- I find it interesting that people complain that some sitcom's are not realistic when there is a fat guy with a hot wife. Yet now that they are a 'matched pair', others complain!

So I guess I'm kinda in both camps - She IS still fat but I certainly don't watch the show to leer at a hot chick (there are plenty of better outlets for that ;)). I think the comedy of the show is in Doug's idiotic ideas and Carrie's reactions to them (while often focusing on each of their shallowness)

pmyers

01-14-2005, 08:03 AM

My wife and I love the show! The humor is just great. We related a lot to the show because that was us! I was the fat husband and she was the hot wife and got all the attention. Then, I lost 60 pounds and now we are more equal (except she still gets all the attention ;) ).....just like in that one episode they did where Doug lost all the weight. That is still my favorite episode, especially when she starts trying to feed him pancakes and stuff.

jschuman

01-14-2005, 08:08 AM

One of the best things this show has going for itself is its supporting cast. Pretty much all the 'regulars' are quirky and funny. Surprisingly enough one of our favorites is Kevin James' brother's character - even though there was some obvious nepotism in that casting.

pmyers

01-14-2005, 08:11 AM

Who is Kevin James' brother? Spence? Danny?

jschuman

01-14-2005, 08:14 AM

Danny

Different last names: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0884230/

Rkkeller

01-14-2005, 08:44 AM

I dont find her attractive at all anymore and YES it is because she is so fat. She lost all the features in her face due to bloat. Its a shame as she used to be so hot.

Also what about John Goodman on the show after it ? Now he packed on some pounds and some pounds and some more pounds.

Rich

DaveBogart

01-14-2005, 09:06 AM

Fat or thin, I'd still have to put a bag over her head before I'd do any hittin'. I think the woman is just plain ugly.

Bojangling

01-14-2005, 10:11 AM

Kevin James was on the Don and Mike radio show (106.7 in DC) earlier this year. Leah had been a good friend of the hosts, Don and Mike, until they had a fallout but they still track her career, if for no other reason than to mock her.

Anyways, they began to discuss her weightt gain and the weight loss Kevin James had recently undergone. Kevin said that the show producers actually asked him to put weight back on to try and hide some of the Leah weight gain!

Has anyone seen her do any appearances lately? I wonder if these episodes were taped and she has now lost some weight.

rberry88

01-14-2005, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Bernie
To the men who posted that she's disgusting..or wouldn't get hit on..how about posting photos of yourselves?

The only online photo I have is in my Avatar to the left.

I'm 5'10" 170 lbs, not fat and not stringy but I don't get how this relates to the topic.

The actress (Remini) was hot, yep I said it, hot before she had the kid. Now she is just another overweight actress playing the role of a wife to an overweight husband. This worked for Roseanne mostly because they worked it into the show. King of Queens, however, has always been about the chubby-hubby and the lean-hot wife, but sadly this is no more. Some might say this is the "jumping over the shark period" for this show.

Good case in point, the last episode about Doug buying the 'new' better smelling cologne at the mall/store and Carrie forbidding him to wear it because she didn't want him to smell good and possibly attract other women. With her being fat, this routine doesn't come off as funny, only frightening. If she was still lean and hot then this would come off as funny. IMHO.

mooseAndSquirrel

01-14-2005, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by DaveBogart
Fat or thin, I'd still have to put a bag over her head before I'd do any hittin'. I think the woman is just plain ugly.

And a ball gag. That voice!

Talon

01-14-2005, 10:58 AM

Men are visual creatures. Thats a fact. Physical attractiveness is not everything by a long shot, but if a woman is fat it lessens her physical attractiveness for the large majority of the opposite sex. Thats just the way it is. I don't find fat attractive. I would never be mean to someone who is fat, but sorry, I am not physically attracted to fat women for the most part. I should not have to try to convince myself otherwise.

I also agree that she was not that pretty thin either.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 11:05 AM

I think she was very attractive thin, but fat Carrie just doesn't do anything for me. They never address that she's gotten fat, they just pretend she isn't, which is part of the weirdness. If they want to go on like this, I think she needs to try a little harder to get back to her former body.

pmyers

01-14-2005, 11:10 AM

or at least write it into the story line....

ClutchBrake

01-14-2005, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by DLiquid
They never address that she's gotten fat, they just pretend she isn't, which is part of the weirdness.

Reminds me of when Daphne (Jane Leeves) on Frasier got big and Niles was in denial. Good stuff.

And speaking of John Goodman, I read an article yesterday where he said his doctors have told him to lose 100lbs this year and keep it off. He says in the past he has always dropped 60-70lbs between January and April and then put it back on over the rest of the year.

I mention him because he is amazingly agile for a big guy. Have you ever seen him dance? I've never seen someone so big so light on his feet.

aindik

01-14-2005, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Bojangling
Kevin James was on the Don and Mike radio show (106.7 in DC) earlier this year. Leah had been a good friend of the hosts, Don and Mike, until they had a fallout but they still track her career, if for no other reason than to mock her.

Anyways, they began to discuss her weightt gain and the weight loss Kevin James had recently undergone. Kevin said that the show producers actually asked him to put weight back on to try and hide some of the Leah weight gain!

Has anyone seen her do any appearances lately? I wonder if these episodes were taped and she has now lost some weight.

If you were listening to Don & Mike any time in the first two weeks of January, you were hearing "Best Of." They were on vacation and returned this past Monday, the 10th.

dr_mal

01-14-2005, 11:53 AM

Someone posted right after the KoQ season premiere that they'd seen Leah on a recent Oprah and she had in fact lost the weight between the time the KoQ episodes were filmed and the time Oprah taped.

Is Oprah broadcast close to the actual taping date? If so, we should see her back to her normal self in the not-too-distant future.

[edit: It was Ellen, not Oprah - link (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=2327091#post2327091)]

Bernie

01-14-2005, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by rberry88
The only online photo I have is in my Avatar to the left.

I'm 5'10" 170 lbs, not fat and not stringy but I don't get how this relates to the topic.

My point is that we seem to be a society where so much "weight" (no pun intended) is put on a woman's weight. It's okay for a guy to be fat, but not a woman. That leads in many cases to the extreme: women becoming too thin in order to be accepted. I am close to several people who've suffered with anorexia so it's strikes a nerve.

Now, having said that, let me also offer that I do believe we are an overweight society and it needs to be addressed, not for beauty but for health. There's a supersize-me restaurant on every corner, school systems continue to cut phys ed programs which is contributing to childhood obesity and childhood diabetes, etc. We're an unhealthy society and it's getting worse by the day. yet, the focus is not on health, but the fact that men won't "hit on her." I am not attracted to fat either, but I wouldn't make the kind of remarks that I've read here. Everybody is somebody's daughter.

I apologize for the speech, but I felt compelled to explain my thoughts behind that original post. I promise to let it go now and thanks for listening!

Bernie

DougF

01-14-2005, 12:37 PM

I don't watch King of Queens, but I am familiar with Leah (she was Sarafina on Cheers a couple of times) and she did have a very nice body. Google came up with some nice pics.

Maybe she hasn't lost the baby-weight, maybe she never will. Maybe she'll get fired from the show. Who knows. But, anyone who thinks it is that easy to lose weight after having a baby is kidding themselves. Some women can do it, others can't. Doesn't mean they don't try.

I'm a little sensitive to this as the husband of a new mother who thinks she now has the most wide hips on the planet. She doesn't, of course. But, she is trying very hard to take off baby weight and it's not coming off nearly as quickly as she would like.

rberry88

01-14-2005, 12:37 PM

No problem here.

McDonalds doesn't have supersize anymore though.

LoadStar

01-14-2005, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by toddvj
Yes, it is unrealistic that anyone would hit on her.

She is an actress, and one of the expectations of an that is to be attractive. Sorry, but that's how it is. She gets paid millions of dollars to do what she does, but she isn't willing to excersise more or eat less? If someone paid me the kind of money she makes to play a one-dimensional character like she plays, I would make damn sure I had Six-Pack abs 365 days a year. And the fact is, she won't get any more acting jobs if she keeps looking like she does now.

There probably is something going on with her health, it's called sitting around on your @$$ instead of going to the gym, and stuffing your face instead of eating healthy.

Kevin James is fat, and always was, Leah Remini wasn't. That's why we're talking about it, if she was always fat this wouldn't be much of a topic. As for Carrie finding Doug attractive, I don't know. I mean, besides the fact that it is in the script. And in real life you see atractive women with fat guys a lot more often than the other way around. I guess a lot of women have different qualities they look for in a mate than men do.

Wow. Just... wow.

First: it is NOT a requirement that actors/actresses be attractive. I don't know WHERE you got that idea. It might be your PREFERENCE that they be attractive, but there is nothing that prevents ugly or fat people from acting. The only requirement to acting is that they accurately and convincingly portray the character that they are playing. Now, if the character is described as "stunningly attractive, physically fit, a perfect specimen of humanity," then they would need to hire a actor/actress who matches that description. But face it - most of the characters on TV are normal people, and there's no requirement for someone to be attractive and fit to play a normal person - in fact, they probably SHOULDN'T be super attractive, because the "average" person isn't.

About the only actors/actresses whose jobs require them to be attractive are porn stars.

Also - while I haven't seen the subject of this thread, so I don't know what she looks like, I'd wager to guess that she's not "fat." She may have gained some weight and isn't as super physically fit as she once was, but there's a HUGE jump between that and "fat." TV has so totally distorted what people consider fat... if they're not a size zero or one, they're suddenly "fat" and "ugly." For example, Amber Benson on "Buffy" was ravaged by cruel and insensitive people as being "fat" too - and in reality, she was actually skinnier than most people you'd meet in real life. She just isn't a size 0 or 1.

I'd also second the suggestion that anyone who is critical of someone's weight or appearance should post their own picture, weight, and such... let's see just how attractive YOU are.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by LoadStar
Also - while I haven't seen the subject of this thread, so I don't know what she looks like, I'd wager to guess that she's not "fat."I think she's "fat." She looks almost double her previous size to my eyes, although she's probably not. I don't really understand why are people so uptight about this. It's not like someone is calling your mom or your wife fat, this is a TV star who probably got where she is largely ;) due to her looks. Her body used to be virtually perfect, and now she is quite overweight. As far as the scripts are concerned nothing has changed, which makes it seem like the writers think she'll quickly drop back down to her previous weight. This is made more obvious since Doug's weight is a constant subject of the show.

tem

01-14-2005, 12:59 PM

About the only actors/actresses whose jobs require them to be attractive are porn stars.

and even this is debatable in many instances.

DougF

01-14-2005, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by DLiquid
...I don't really understand why are people so uptight about this...

I imagine it bothers some people because she gained weight from being pregnant. Although she may have intenionally gotten pregnant, she probably didn't intend to gain all that weight.

A lot of people get fat by sitting on their lazy @$$ and doing nothing but eating all day. There's a big difference between the two.

<edit>
Let me add that I'm not saying that anyone who is fat, but didn't have a child, got that way by sitting and eating all day. I'm just saying that is the case with a lot of people.
</edit>

DougF

01-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by tem
and even this is debatable in many instances.

No kidding. I've never seen a whole lot of porn, but most of the women are not very attractive. They me be naked and have decent bodies, but the pretty face is usually not there.

MLR930

01-14-2005, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Breezy
You guys are way too harsh! So, because she didn't lose all the weight right away after having a baby, there might be another one in there? And because she's not back down to a size 2, she's fat? You know what they say about people who live in glass houses?

AMEN I think she looks fine and I like the fact that someone on tv isn't a size 0. When and if she loses the weight is her business.

daperlman

01-14-2005, 01:11 PM

really they ought to just shoot her!

:rolleyes:

cheesesteak

01-14-2005, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by DougF
No kidding. I've never seen a whole lot of porn, but most of the women are not very attractive. They me be naked and have decent bodies, but the pretty face is usually not there.
I don't know what porn you've been watching or maybe we have different views of "attractive", but the majority of women in mainstream porn are good looking. They pretty much have to be with all the competition. Now, old porn like the 70s stuff had some seriously plain looking women.

Originally posted by toddvj
If someone paid me the kind of money she makes to play a one-dimensional character like she plays, I would make damn sure I had Six-Pack abs 365 days a year.
Quotes like this always make me laugh. People always say similar things about pro athletes: "If I was making all that money, I'd never drink, smoke, associate with women with loose morals, be lazy etc, etc, etc". You'd be the same person you are now, but with more money. Whatever your weaknesses are, they'll still be there.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 01:50 PM

Well it looks like she has slimmed down a bit from what we're seeing on KoQ right now, although she's still a ways from her former self.

Jan 9, 2005
The People's Choice Awards 2005 - Red Carpet (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2660/Events/2660/LeahRemini_Mazur_4152854_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Remini,%20Leah)

bigcb37

01-14-2005, 02:01 PM

Celebrities that make as much $$ as she does have no excuse to be fat. Get a personal chef to prepare your meals and a personal trainer to work out.

And YES, for the mostpart, it is a requirement for actors on and actresses on TV to be attractive. If I wanted to see ugly people I can hang out at the DMV. Whats wrong with people wanting to see attractive people on TV. Why do you think they choose hot roomattes to be on the Real World for instance? Thats what people want to see.

I am getting side tracked. Point is Leah needs to shed some. Everyone is too PC...

Sparty99

01-14-2005, 02:14 PM

This thread is appalling. The woman got fat from pregnancy. If it hasn't been written into the show or properly covered up, it's not her fault, it's the fault of the writers and directors of the show.

It's threads like this that lead to women like Calista Flockhart and Lara Flynn Boyle and Brittany Murphy and the Olson twins losing extreme amounts of weight to the point of being unhealthy, which, as an earlier poster indicated, leads to a false image for the young women and girls in this country.

A little meat on the bones isn't bad. Give it time guys.

pmyers

01-14-2005, 02:18 PM

How many babies did she have? ;)

DougF

01-14-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by cheesesteak
I don't know what porn you've been watching or maybe we have different views of "attractive", but the majority of women in mainstream porn are good looking. They pretty much have to be with all the competition. Now, old porn like the 70s stuff had some seriously plain looking women.

Like I said, I haven't seen much porn. But, at least now I have a good reason to - Research! :)

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by serumgard
It's threads like this that lead to women like Calista Flockhart and Lara Flynn Boyle and Brittany Murphy and the Olson twins losing extreme amounts of weight to the point of being unhealthy, which, as an earlier poster indicated, leads to a false image for the young women and girls in this country.Slender/athletic Leah Remini never looked unhealthy to me, and as we all know being overweight is unhealthy. I've never liked the underweight look of the women you mentioned, and Leah was never in that category as far as I know.

Do you really think threads like this are causing women to develop eating disorders? We're talking about a specific person gaining more than the average pregnant woman gains (I'm guessing) and losing it more slowly than the average actress does (definitely). Why is that so appalling?

Sparty99

01-14-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by DLiquid
Do you really think threads like this are causing women to develop eating disorders? We're talking about a specific person gaining more than the average pregnant woman gains (I'm guessing) and losing it more slowly than the average actress does (definitely). Why is that so appalling?
I think that threads like this and the pressure to be slender lead some girls and even some actresses toward weight loss that borders on unhealthy. Who's to say that Leah Remini wouldn't fall into that category. She may have been slender/healthy before the baby, but a legion of fans calling for her to lose weight - and fast! - could lead to unreasonable measures being taken. Not that I believe Leah Remini is sitting on a Tivo board reading our posts.

And I would refrain from guessing what the average pregnant woman gains during her pregnancy. If you've never gone through a pregnancy with a woman you really aren't an authority to speak on the subject.

The producers of the show have a choice: order Leah Remini to lose the weight more quickly, write it into the script, or fire her. All of these are entirely within their right. Since none of those appear to have happened, we need to let the woman move at her own pace.

rberry88

01-14-2005, 02:34 PM

I don't care if she's fat, chunky or obese. The show was funny when she was skinny and played the part of the skinny 'hot' wife of a chubby-hubby who gets himself into trouble. Take out one side of the equation in that comedy bit and its not funny anymore, especially when they ignore the weight issue altogether in the storyline of the show.

Another instance from the last episode that portrays this is when Carrie meets Doug for dinner on their anniversary and tries to show him up by wearing her 'hooker outfit' (thier words, not mine). Imagine the skinny (hot) version of Carrie (leah) in that outfit to what we actually saw on the show. Big difference in my opinion.

Sparty99

01-14-2005, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by rberry88
I don't care if she's fat, chunky or obese. The show was funny when she was skinny and played the part of the skinny 'hot' wife of a chubby-hubby who gets himself into trouble. Take out one side of the equation in that comedy bit and its not funny anymore, especially when they ignore the weight issue altogether in the storyline of the show.

Another instance from the last episode that portrays this is when Carrie meets Doug for dinner on their anniversary and tries to show him up by wearing her 'hooker outfit' (thier words, not mine). Imagine the skinny (hot) version of Carrie (leah) in that outfit to what we actually saw on the show. Big difference in my opinion.
Again, my question becomes, how is that Leah Remini's fault? Is she a writer for the show? Not to my knowledge. Has she gone to the writers and said, "Do not write the weight gain into the script"? Again, not to my knowledge. The writers for the show are responsible for writing the limitations of its actors into the script.

For example, Matt LeBlanc once dislocated his shoulder while working on Friends. The writers were forced to write this into the show, because you couldn't have Joey's arm in a sling without explaining the situation. Leah Remini's situation is very similar. It is a physical condition that is very noticable. The writers have a responsibility to write it into the script.

daperlman

01-14-2005, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by rberry88

Another instance from the last episode that portrays this is when Carrie meets Doug for dinner on their anniversary and tries to show him up by wearing her 'hooker outfit' (thier words, not mine). Imagine the skinny (hot) version of Carrie (leah) in that outfit to what we actually saw on the show. Big difference in my opinion. The writers meant to change that the "hiefer" outfit... and the dinner was supposed to be changed to a sausage eating contest.

:)

pmyers

01-14-2005, 02:45 PM

I'd hardly call a few of us commenting here "legions of fans".

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by serumgard
And I would refrain from guessing what the average pregnant woman gains during her pregnancy.
http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInfo/HealthLibrary/pregnant/wgtgain.html
Weight gain during pregnancy varies from woman-to-woman and depends on body type and severity of nausea and vomiting. Average weight gain for women is between 25 to 35 pounds, although slight deviations from this may also be considered normal.And of course some of that comes off during birth (baby, amniotic fluid, placenta, etc.). I don't know exactly how much Leah Remini gained, but it was a lot more than that.

Tabitha573

01-14-2005, 03:06 PM

Not only is it a weight loss issue after having a child -- a woman's entire body type changes. Skin that once was tight has been stretched to the brink for months. Fat clings to places that it never clung to before. I can't believe this is even an issue. Just makes me thankful that I have the husband that I have.

crowfan

01-14-2005, 03:09 PM

This is ridiculous. She's an attractive woman, and she gained weight while pregnant. While she isn't nearly as thin as she used to be, I would NEVER call her "disgusting." That is just way too extreme.

pmyers

01-14-2005, 03:09 PM

Just curious Tabitha if you watch the show at all, and if so, do you think her weight has affected the show in any way.

JYoung

01-14-2005, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by LoadStar
Wow. Just... wow.

First: it is NOT a requirement that actors/actresses be attractive. I don't know WHERE you got that idea. It might be your PREFERENCE that they be attractive, but there is nothing that prevents ugly or fat people from acting. The only requirement to acting is that they accurately and convincingly portray the character that they are playing. Now, if the character is described as "stunningly attractive, physically fit, a perfect specimen of humanity," then they would need to hire a actor/actress who matches that description. But face it - most of the characters on TV are normal people, and there's no requirement for someone to be attractive and fit to play a normal person - in fact, they probably SHOULDN'T be super attractive, because the "average" person isn't.

About the only actors/actresses whose jobs require them to be attractive are porn stars.

Come on Loadstar, you're not that naive.

How many lead actresses and actors currently on television are unattractive?
You can probably count the actresses on less than 1 hand and the actors on less then 2 hands.

Joe Sixpack doesn't want to see people who are less attractive then him.

Tabitha573

01-14-2005, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by pmyers
Just curious Tabitha if you watch the show at all, and if so, do you think her weight has affected the show in any way.

I do watch the show. No, I don't think the show has been affected by her weight. I am also in the camp who doesn't find it unbelievable that a woman as attractive as her would be married to man like Doug. I happen to find him very attractive.

pmyers

01-14-2005, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
I do watch the show. No, I don't think the show has been affected by her weight. I am also in the camp who doesn't find it unbelievable that a woman as attractive as her would be married to man like Doug. I happen to find him very attractive.

So you've never thought to yourself that it was strange that the show would not address her weight gain? I assume you would have to have noticed the weight gain....

I think they could and should have turned it into quite a funny storyline. That's what I'm most disappointed with.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
I can't believe this is even an issue. Just makes me thankful that I have the husband that I have. We are not Leah Remini's husband, we are viewers of a show that has historically made quite a big deal out of the fact that the husband was overweight and the wife was slender. Now the wife is overweight too, but it's not being written into the show. It is an issue. Maybe not the same issue you're talking about, but as a fan of the show that's the issue I'm interested in.

TAsunder

01-14-2005, 03:40 PM

25 to 35 pounds is quite a lot. I don't know how much she weighed before, but that's probably at least 20% more. This thread has renewed my interest in the show.

pmyers

01-14-2005, 03:42 PM

Here is a pretty good sight with a lot of "press" pictures of Leah. All safe for work:

http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=CLB&str=2563&styp=clbi&nm=Leah%20Remini&nbc1=1

Tabitha573

01-14-2005, 03:47 PM

I can certainly understand how some of you might have wanted the issue addressed in the show -- that's not really my issue. My issue is with those who are throwing around words like "disgusting" and "fat" as Leah Remini is neither. I, too, think the writers could have been amazingly funny with such a storyline, though I don't think the show has suffered because it wasn't addressed.

We are not Leah Remini's husband, we are viewers of a show that has historically made quite a big deal out of the fact that the husband was overweight and the wife was slender.

No, you aren't her husband, but if my husband ever made some of the comments that I've seen made in this thread, then I would feel at least a little bit disappointed in the man that I married.

DougF

01-14-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
...I am also in the camp who doesn't find it unbelievable that a woman as attractive as her would be married to man like Doug. I happen to find him very attractive.

I'm gonna pretend this is about me....

I may even make it my new .sig.

:D

doom1701

01-14-2005, 03:55 PM

I think some of you are analyzing a sitcom WAAAAY too much. Just go back to debating which Star Trek series is better. :rolleyes:

pmyers

01-14-2005, 03:58 PM

LOL...thanks for bringing us back down doom ;)

SparkleMotion

01-14-2005, 04:16 PM

Speaking of Star Trek...

Kirsty Alley really packed on the pounds since playing Saavik, eh?

:D

MLR930

01-14-2005, 04:20 PM

I hate this thread. Like any of you are perfect and if you even dare say you are I suggest you look in the mirror because your nose is growing.

and spare me the "she's a celebrity she's supposed to be thin etc" speech because I don't see anyone talking about the overweight male actors.

rberry88

01-14-2005, 04:28 PM

LOL. Why do we watch TV? For entertainment is my answer. Why do I care who asked the weight gain storyline not be written into the show, regardless of who wanted it in the storyline or not, it has affected the shows chemistry and comedic value, IMHO.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by MLR930
I hate this thread. Like any of you are perfect and if you even dare say you are I suggest you look in the mirror because your nose is growing.

and spare me the "she's a celebrity she's supposed to be thin etc" speech because I don't see anyone talking about the overweight male actors. What do Leah Remini's weight issues have to do with anyone here being perfect? If Brad Pitt got fat I'm sure there would be a thread about it.

nataylor

01-14-2005, 05:12 PM

http://www.nathantaylor.net/upload/leah.jpg
What a blimp! Also, her knees are too lumpy. I would definitely not hit it.

alpacaboy

01-14-2005, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
I can certainly understand how some of you might have wanted the issue addressed in the show -- that's not really my issue. My issue is with those who are throwing around words like "disgusting" and "fat" as Leah Remini is neither. I, too, think the writers could have been amazingly funny with such a storyline, though I don't think the show has suffered because it wasn't addressed.
I think Fraiser did something like that when Jane Leeves got pregnant - Daphne, her character, did not get pregnant, wasn't a surrogate, and wasn't hidden behind boxes and countertops. I think they just made it a storyline that Daphne gained a lot of weight... I think it was especially funny to the fans who all knew that JL was actually pregnant.

I've never actually seen King of Queens. I think I only saw Leah in "Cheers" and didn't really give her a second look Nothing bad, just seemed average in TV-universe. (I think the only one in Cheers who did make me look twice was Kelly. As in Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly Kelly...) But I would say in response to an earlier poster's not-safe-for-work image (http://www.leahremini.net/photogallery/Bold.jpg) - Yowza! Does she dress like that on KoQ? Maybe I should be watching this show...

ClutchBrake

01-14-2005, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by alpacaboy
I think Fraiser did something like that when Jane Leeves got pregnant - Daphne, her character, did not get pregnant, wasn't a surrogate, and wasn't hidden behind boxes and countertops. I think they just made it a storyline that Daphne gained a lot of weight... I think it was especially funny to the fans who all knew that JL was actually pregnant.

I've been smeeked! ;)

Agatha Mystery

01-14-2005, 06:19 PM

I'm with Tabitha on this. This thread is a huge reason why women seem to have the self-esteem issues that we have.

How many times have you seen an actress who was more 'normal-sized' and has lost a lot of weight? Many of them. I can name several. Courtney Thorne-Smith left "Ally" because of the show's desire to have her lose more weight. Remember the movie "Birdcage"? Calista Flockhart was heavier there, and still tiny, yet she turned into a twig for Ally. Alyssa Milano had more weight on her when Charmed started. Now, she's nothing but bones. Helen Hunt got much thinner after "Mad About You". Even daytime television has this problem. Take a look at Kelly Ripa. She weighs less than she did before she got pregnant. I can bring up more examples if you like.

Those of you who are turned off by how a woman looks post-baby are in for a world of disappointment when you get married and have children. That's assuming you ever can find a woman willing to put up with your attitude.

It takes a while, even with a trainer and a personal chef to lose weight. When your skin stretches to accomodate a baby and all of that fluid and tissue that supports it, it takes a while for it to go back, IF it ever does. If you look around you, most women who have had children have a belly 'pooch' that never goes away without surgery. Mine won't. I have excess skin. My mother, who is a size 6, has excess skin. Hips spread to birth that child, and frequently never go back to where they were. Nothing can fix that.

If you're disgusted enough by a woman who is a mother, you shouldn't go out in public, because they're all over the place. If she bothers you that much, don't watch the show. However, to insult her and call her disgusting for being human just implies that you aren't.

MLR930

01-14-2005, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery
I'm with Tabitha on this. This thread is a huge reason why women seem to have the self-esteem issues that we have.

How many times have you seen an actress who was more 'normal-sized' and has lost a lot of weight? Many of them. I can name several. Courtney Thorne-Smith left "Ally" because of the show's desire to have her lose more weight. Remember the movie "Birdcage"? Calista Flockhart was heavier there, and still tiny, yet she turned into a twig for Ally. Alyssa Milano had more weight on her when Charmed started. Now, she's nothing but bones. Helen Hunt got much thinner after "Mad About You". Even daytime television has this problem. Take a look at Kelly Ripa. She weighs less than she did before she got pregnant. I can bring up more examples if you like.

Those of you who are turned off by how a woman looks post-baby are in for a world of disappointment when you get married and have children. That's assuming you ever can find a woman willing to put up with your attitude.

It takes a while, even with a trainer and a personal chef to lose weight. When your skin stretches to accomodate a baby and all of that fluid and tissue that supports it, it takes a while for it to go back, IF it ever does. If you look around you, most women who have had children have a belly 'pooch' that never goes away without surgery. Mine won't. I have excess skin. My mother, who is a size 6, has excess skin. Hips spread to birth that child, and frequently never go back to where they were. Nothing can fix that.

If you're disgusted enough by a woman who is a mother, you shouldn't go out in public, because they're all over the place. If she bothers you that much, don't watch the show. However, to insult her and call her disgusting for being human just implies that you aren't.

:up: :up:

rberry88

01-14-2005, 06:38 PM

Woah, woah. I never said I didn't like her because she just became a mother or she is disgusting to look at now because she just became a mother. I am commenting on how she looked before and how she looks now as it ties in with the show. All this talk about how normal non-tv-actress women have to put up with society calling them fat or disgusting has blown the whole topic of this thread out of proportion.

This forum is for TV Show Talk, correct me if I'm wrong, and the OP commented on a show on TV and an actress on TV. Why we have to blow this up and try to associate it with the real world is beyond me. I'm married (going on 5 years), have no kids (mutual decision) and don't care what women look like before or after having a baby. HOWEVER, since we are talking about TV and actors/actresses AND Leah Remini is in a show my wife and I watch on a regular basis then I feel I can post my opinion on this matter.

If you want to talk about real life pregnancies then take it to the Happy Hour forum.

PS: Alyssa Milano is hot, whether its Pre-Melrose or Post-Melrose, IMHO. :P

Inundated

01-14-2005, 06:43 PM

I'm not losing a lot of sleep on this either way, but...

THAT'S a "blimp"?

I never really found Leah attractive...mostly it's a facial thing, not really the kind of facial features I find attractive in a woman. But the way some were talking here, you'd think she'd weighed 400 pounds after the pregnancy.

IMHO, since we are talking about a TV show here, it's well within bounds to discuss her weight and how that plays off her male co-star's weight and how the show's set up. I don't know much about the show, but discussion along the realm of "she's not as thin as she used to be, and the premise of the show is the 'hot woman married to lumpy schlub'" is within reason for me.

But...some of the comments in here have been incredibly insensitive. (If you're reading this and going "what do you mean?", you probably haven't been in my eyes.)

daperlman

01-14-2005, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery

It takes a while, even with a trainer and a personal chef to lose weight. When your skin stretches to accomodate a baby and all of that fluid and tissue that supports it, it takes a while for it to go back, IF it ever does. If you look around you, most women who have had children have a belly 'pooch' that never goes away without surgery. Mine won't. I have excess skin. My mother, who is a size 6, has excess skin. Hips spread to birth that child, and frequently never go back to where they were. Nothing can fix that.

And what is up with the line of bull re: personal trainers and chefs. As if that discounts someones dedication and hard work.

Fact: with chef and trainer a person works 100% as hard to improve their health/appearance. With the exception of when I fought, I have never had a trainer... but heck if that is what someone needs, more power to them. Let's face it. Dieting and exercising plain sucks... whatever people do to help themselves stick with it, good for them.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 07:02 PM

rberry88 said a lot of what I was going to say. As far as I can tell, no one is making negative generalizations about all pregnant women. We are talking about a specific actress who has gained quite a bit of weight and how that relates to the show she is on, where being overweight and losing weight is a recurring topic.

This is a woman who has done photo spreads in both FHM and Stuff, putting herself out there as a sex symbol. It seems perfectly natural to discuss her new look ;). And although I agree there have been some crude comments in this thread, it kind of surprises me that people are so offended by them.

Ruth

01-14-2005, 07:10 PM

Geez. What Agatha, Tabitha, Mandie, and Inundated said.

Some of you guys are just insensitive jerks. And do you know any actual women? Like normal weight women, mothers or not? I don't watch this show but I've looked at the screenshots and links, and that actress is just not fat. Maybe she's not as skinny as she was before, but she's not fat or overweight and she's certainly not disgusting.

And guess what? The whole premise that some of you guys are working from is 100% wrong. You can be a hottie and not be stick thin. Remember Marilyn Monroe? You don't think she could pull off the role of the hottie on some sitcom? Well, she was way curvier than this woman is. Try expanding your criteria for attractiveness to include more than one thing, why don't you? Sheesh.

DLiquid

01-14-2005, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Ruth
You can be a hottie and not be stick thin.Yeah, like Leah Remini a couple of years ago. ;)

http://users.zoominternet.net/~kmputrwz/remini.jpg

midas

01-14-2005, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Ruth
Try expanding your criteria for attractiveness to include more than one thing, why don't you? Sheesh.

This is the real problem. I am only talking about the character, not the actress, because I don't really know her. But her character is not attractive at all. The fact that she was hot mitigated the circumstances. But if you have a personality like that and look like that, you're living alone with your 10 cats.

DevdogAZ

01-14-2005, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
My issue is with those who are throwing around words like "disgusting" and "fat" as Leah Remini is neither.
While I do not think Leah Remini is disgusting, and I wish that description had never been brought up in this thread, there is no denying that she IS fat. There's nothing wrong with it, I don't think less of her and no, I'm not perfect either. I totally understand the physiological issues associated with pregnancy and don't fault her for not being able to take the weight off. Some women never can after having children. My only issue is with those who are trying to claim that she's not fat. She may not be fat relative to you, or relative to the average American woman, but that doesn't change the fact that she's fat. I don't understand why making a statement of fact like that gets people so bent out of shape.

IJustLikeTivo

01-14-2005, 08:56 PM

I'm not in the crowd that finds her attractive for some reason but the show works when I watch it. I do think part of the edge does come from how she looks compared to him. I think they should have dealt with it in some fashion as some of the jokes they make are not quite the same now. IT would be different had she been this weight all along, but the dynamic is different now.

dansee

01-14-2005, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by midas
This is the real problem. I am only talking about the character, not the actress, because I don't really know her. But her character is not attractive at all. The fact that she was hot mitigated the circumstances. But if you have a personality like that and look like that, you're living alone with your 10 cats. God help me, I know I should not have laughed at this, but....

As far as Leah's weight? I've got no problem with it. Leah can look however she damn well pleases, and if they keep paying her? Well, more power to the lady.

However, the writers and producers really should have dealt with this in some way. I completely understand those posters here who are saying, essentially, "The joke isn't working anymore, and it's hurting the show."

Since I only catch it a couple times a season, I couldn't care less -- but I can see why it would bother a dedicated fan.

Agatha Mystery

01-14-2005, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by devdogaz
While I do not think Leah Remini is disgusting, and I wish that description had never been brought up in this thread, there is no denying that she IS fat. There's nothing wrong with it, I don't think less of her and no, I'm not perfect either. I totally understand the physiological issues associated with pregnancy and don't fault her for not being able to take the weight off. Some women never can after having children. My only issue is with those who are trying to claim that she's not fat. She may not be fat relative to you, or relative to the average American woman, but that doesn't change the fact that she's fat. I don't understand why making a statement of fact like that gets people so bent out of shape.
She is not fat. I'm not talking relative to me or the average woman. She is not fat. If you think she is, then the only people whom you think ISN'T fat is Calista Flockhart and Twiggy.

I can guarantee that any doctor she goes to is going to put her in the healthy, normal range. Not fat, not overweight. Healthy.

toddvj

01-14-2005, 11:01 PM

Oh, my Goodness. You can honestly look at her and say she's not fat??? She is huge. And Calista Flockhart and Twiggy (whoever that is, wasn't she from, like, 40 years ago?) aren't the only women who aren't fat, that is a ridiculous statement. Granted, she's not 300 pounds, but her height and weight are definitely not proportionate. Any doctor that says she's in the healthy, normal range is a quack.

bigcb37

01-15-2005, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by daperlman
And what is up with the line of bull re: personal trainers and chefs. As if that discounts someones dedication and hard work.

Fact: with chef and trainer a person works 100% as hard to improve their health/appearance. With the exception of when I fought, I have never had a trainer... but heck if that is what someone needs, more power to them. Let's face it. Dieting and exercising plain sucks... whatever people do to help themselves stick with it, good for them.

It doesnt discount someones work ethic and dedication at all. But you cant argue that its easier to lose weight when someone is cooking heathy meals for you on a daily basis and another to motivate you to work out X-times a week with a specific well rounded workout regimen.

One of the biggest reasons people are overweight in this country is because of easy access to fatty foods (McDonalds) so its just as easy to eat healthy via personal chef then its easier to choose the healthy food vs mcD's...

Agatha Mystery

01-15-2005, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by toddvj
Oh, my Goodness. You can honestly look at her and say she's not fat??? She is huge. And Calista Flockhart and Twiggy (whoever that is, wasn't she from, like, 40 years ago?) aren't the only women who aren't fat, that is a ridiculous statement. Granted, she's not 300 pounds, but her height and weight are definitely not proportionate. Any doctor that says she's in the healthy, normal range is a quack.

How could you possibly know what she weighs? Yes, she no longer has 15% body fat (or however low it was). Yes, she is carrying more weight at her tummy. Still, she is by no means fat. And if you can't see that, you've got too much fat behind your eyebrows.

Keep in mind that the cameras make you look heavier than you are. I guarantee if you saw her in person, you wouldn't think she's fat.

So, are you married? Girlfriend? Or is Rosie your only gal-pal these days?

smak

01-15-2005, 01:11 AM

I have always thought she was attractive, ever since I saw her on Saved By The Bell :D.

And I don't think she's "fat" or "disgusting" now, not by a long shot.

But, the point that some people have made, maybe a little too harshly, is that her appearance now might be messing up the dynamic of the show.

Let me put it differently. What if Kevin James LOST 80 pounds, and they never mentioned it.

That would be weird wouldn't it?. And also would not help the dynamic of the show, which has a lot to do with, overweight schlub marries "hot wife"

This TV we're talking about, the rules of the world don't apply.

What if the 4 female leads of Las Vegas all cut their hair, and gained weight. Would they be "fat" or "disgusting" I don't think so, but they have to know that their looks are one of the biggest aspects of the show, and why people watch.

-smak-

dswallow

01-15-2005, 02:16 AM

Darlene Cates is fat. And I don't think anyone, even Darlene, is going to disagree.

Leah Rimini is anything but fat. Not even close to fat. Just completely not fat.
Put her back in the 50's or 60's before the obsession with morbid skin & bones thinness, and she'd probably be among the ideal that men (straight men) would be lusting for.

Fool Me Twice

01-15-2005, 03:26 AM

I thought she was wearing a fat suit.

I saw her while flipping channels and just assumed it was a comedy bit. I stopped on the channel for a bit to see if I could see the prosthetic lines. I couldn't find any. I thought the makeup and costume people did a fantastic job of making her less attractive.

Oh, well.

By the way: I don't know any men who like skinny women. But, I know a lot of fat women who think they look kind of like Marilyn Monroe.

JYoung

01-15-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice

By the way: I don't know any men who like skinny women. But, I know a lot of fat women who think they look kind of like Marilyn Monroe.

Most straight men don't like stick figure women.
However, most straight men don't like obese women (ala Roseanne) either.

But then I never found Leah attractive before or after.
Perhaps Leah has been getting her dieting advice from L. Ron Hubbard.

toddvj

01-15-2005, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery
So, are you married? Girlfriend? Or is Rosie your only gal-pal these days?

Happily married for nearly 10 years. And for the record, my wife, who never has an unkind word to say about anyone, agrees that she is as big as a house. Anyone who says different either needs to get their eyes checked, or is watching reruns of the show and mistaking it for the current episodes. It's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact, she is gigantic.

She doesn't need you to defend her, I'm sure she doesn't care what a bunch of Tivo forum geeks think about her. If you are bigger than her, and are saying she isn't fat to make yourself feel better, it's not working.

Kevin James is actually the better looking of the two right now.

tem

01-15-2005, 09:32 PM

So the IMDb says she's 5'3". Even after giving birth, my guess is that she's still somewhere in the neighborhood of 135lbs. I'd hardly call that "disgusting", and I'm one of those guys who prefers skinny girls.

5thcrewman

01-16-2005, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery
If you're disgusted enough by a woman who is a mother, you shouldn't go out in public, because they're all over the place. If she bothers you that much, don't watch the show. However, to insult her and call her disgusting for being human just implies that you aren't.

I think everyone is getting worked up about nothing.

REMEMBER- The term MILF was not coined by a woman!
-Nuff Sed.

mystmaiden

01-16-2005, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by daperlman
The writers meant to change that the "hiefer" outfit... and the dinner was supposed to be changed to a sausage eating contest.
:)

Wow.... you're just a "Pig" aren't you?.... I don't care what you look like, your attitude makes you incredibly unattractive.
That pretty much goes for most of the men that have posted here.

Inundated

01-16-2005, 07:13 AM

I'm trying to figure out which world I've stumbled into...where this actress is:

A) "A blimp"
B) "Big as a house"
C) "Obese"

Maybe I had the wrong definitions all of these years, because if that picture is accurate, she is none of the three.

jennifer

01-16-2005, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
I do watch the show. No, I don't think the show has been affected by her weight. I am also in the camp who doesn't find it unbelievable that a woman as attractive as her would be married to man like Doug. I happen to find him very attractive.

Me too, me too!

I was holding off on that statement until I'd read all the threads. Glad to see that another TC female finds Doug attractive. I'd be all over Jim Belushi too. :D

Call me crazy, but I rank a great sense of humor over body shape. ;)

cheesesteak

01-16-2005, 07:46 AM

If you watch/don't watch a show based on the "hotness" of an actor or actress, then your opinion isn't worth that much anyway. That's about as superficial as you can get.

mooseAndSquirrel

01-16-2005, 08:51 AM

Since this thread won't die, I'll just add...

I've started watching Alias, the season 1 DVDs. And as I was watching, this thread came to mind. Jennifer Garner is very fit and athletic (I wouldn't call her Twiggy). If she gained weight out of that classification (still not fat, as big as a house, etc.) then they would quickly write her death into the show! Her character demands a body type.

I haven't watched KoQ, but apparently the sight gag of huge guy (and he is morbidly obese) with a thin, attractive wife is a big part of the show. Maybe not as big a part of the show as Alias, but her body is apparently part of the dynamics of the show.

Doug is right - her new body type has been the ideal at certain points in history. But since advertisers aren't shooting for the Victorian male, 18-36 demographic, so what? It's all advertising driven.

Men also have a problem living up to modern entertainment ideals of beauty. The arms and abs of Brad Pitt etc. make us feel inadequate. Women seem to get all swoony at the sight of one of these studs in gladiator drag. If Brad adds 40 pounds due to the breakup with Jen, then I'm quite certain lots of people will be talking about it and lots of headlines will cruelly but accurately call him fat.

doom1701

01-16-2005, 09:04 AM

Mike Lang

01-16-2005, 09:43 AM

For reference :) :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/mlang2000/KoQ3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/mlang2000/KoQ2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/mlang2000/KoQ1.jpg

mooseAndSquirrel

01-16-2005, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by doom1701
Wow, I've never come so close to ignoring someone as after reading this. .

Really? I've read so many obnoxious things on the internet, toddvj's comment just seemed like a pretty simple statement of fact.

She's 5'3" according to another poster. The BMI charts that doctors would refer to say she's overweight at 141 pounds and obese at 169. Judging from appearance and comparison with my 5'3" wife, I would guess that Leah is in between 141 and 169 pounds.

I fall into the "who cares" camp myself. I don't watch the show and I find her voice too unbearable. But since it's being discussed, I think it's really just a statement of fact that by modern medical standards, she's overweight. With childbirth, she certainly has a reasonable explanation. But in order to be considered in the healthy range of weight, she should lose some pounds.

Societallly, we are very shallow and it's unfortunate that overweight has such a stigma attached to it. That's a separate discussion, though. It'll be interesting to see how our ideals of beauty may change given the obesity problems in America today.

Agatha Mystery

01-16-2005, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by toddvj
Happily married for nearly 10 years. And for the record, my wife, who never has an unkind word to say about anyone, agrees that she is as big as a house. Anyone who says different either needs to get their eyes checked, or is watching reruns of the show and mistaking it for the current episodes. It's not a matter of opinion, it is a fact, she is gigantic.

Obviously, the two of you are made for each other. Both completely superficial people. Apparently, it's true that there's someone for everyone.

She doesn't need you to defend her, I'm sure she doesn't care what a bunch of Tivo forum geeks think about her. If you are bigger than her, and are saying she isn't fat to make yourself feel better, it's not working.

Kevin James is actually the better looking of the two right now.
No, I'm not saying that she isn't fat to make myself feel better. Actually, losing 70 pounds made me feel better. So I'm pretty sure that I know what the definition of FAT is. As another poster posted, she's 5'3". I'm 5'2". I've got a pretty good idea of what she weighs. She's nowhere NEAR 169. She may be at 130, probably a little less. I'd bet that before the baby, on that show, she was about 110. Besides, even if she gets back to 110, she's still going to have a belly pooch. That's the nature of having a baby.

She doesn't need me to defend her. However, apparently you need me to point out the fact that you're an idiot. :D

daperlman

01-16-2005, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by mystmaiden
Wow.... you're just a "Pig" aren't you?.... I don't care what you look like, your attitude makes you incredibly unattractive.
That pretty much goes for most of the men that have posted here. No not really... I was just making a joke about how silly it would be to incorporate her weight gain into the script.

I don't even find her fat, although I can tell she gained weight based on the pictures posted. Then again I wouldn't know who they were talking about w/out the pics.

But consider your complaint officially noted.

Lori

01-16-2005, 03:41 PM

My husband's question everytime this topic comes up is why the ideal female body frequently resembles the body of a teenage boy.

tspatrick

01-16-2005, 04:05 PM

...Both completely superficial people...
Of course people are judging her superficially. Hollywood is all about superficiality. She got the job because of her looks, not because of her writing abilities or her SAT scores or her contributions to society. None of us know her. We have nothing else to judge her on other than how she looks and how well she recites the lines that someone else wrote.

mystmaiden

01-16-2005, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by daperlman
No not really... I was just making a joke about how silly it would be to incorporate her weight gain into the script.

I don't even find her fat, although I can tell she gained weight based on the pictures posted. Then again I wouldn't know who they were talking about w/out the pics.

But consider your complaint officially noted.

Thanks for clarifying. I agree that they should have written it into the script. It looks like they are trying to pretend that she is the same as before. Her cloths are much too tight fitting, and that makes her weight gain more pronounced. IMO

toddvj

01-16-2005, 05:44 PM

I don't understand how someone with a different opinion that yours is superficial. My wife and I haven't stopped watching the show because we hate fat people or anything.

There is no way she is 130.

aindik

01-16-2005, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery
Obviously, the two of you are made for each other. Both completely superficial people.

With all due respect, there's a difference between thinking ill of a person because she's fat, and simply thinking the person is fat. The former would be superficial, the latter simply observant. You can truly believe "it's what's on the inside that counts," and still observe that, on the outside, the person is fat.

The_Real_Trebor

01-16-2005, 06:38 PM

I know Leah Remini does'nt care for the "Hollywood" focus on weight. She once said she can't wait to be labeled as no longer a hottie so she can stop following her weight.

One thing though, no offense, but she is a Scientologist. Scientologist's who follow L. Ron Hubbard are suppose to use "Dianetics". Mind over matter. Nothing is suppose to stop a Scientologist's ambition, goal, or determination for him/herself.

L. Ron Hubbard must be spinning in his grave.......if he has that goal of course. ;) :D

Trebor.:cool:

JYoung

01-16-2005, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by The_Real_Trebor

One thing though, no offense, but she is a Scientologist. Scientologist's who follow L. Ron Hubbard are suppose to use "Dianetics". Mind over matter. Nothing is suppose to stop a Scientologist's ambition, goal, or determination for him/herself.

L. Ron Hubbard must be spinning in his grave.......if he has that goal of course. ;) :D

Come to think of it, isn't Kirstie (Fat Actress) Alley a Scientologist?

DaveBogart

01-17-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery
Keep in mind that the cameras make you look heavier than you are.They sure must use a lot of cameras on that show!

Talon

01-17-2005, 11:25 AM

I don't think she is huge, but she has put on a lot of weight. I don't agree with some of the remarks about her like "big as a house".

Its just funny how people who don't find that attractive get trashed for not expanding thier horizons to include overweight women. Maybe they don't find overweight attractive. Are some in here saying that is wrong?

Are some women in here saying that no matter how fat and unhealthy a woman may be, a guy should just ignore it and also force himself to find that person attractive?

Breezy

01-17-2005, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Talon
[B
Are some women in here saying that no matter how fat and unhealthy a woman may be, a guy should just ignore it and also force himself to find that person attractive? [/B]

Define attractive. In your world, are only 120 pd women attractive?
Is her body the only thing Leah has to contribute?
I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay to be unhealthy. If we lived in a perfect world, we would all be within our healthy weight guidelines. I just think there is a right way to say it. Calling someone fat and disgusting is shameful. Makes me wonder what's going on in their lives to have to resort to saying something so hurtful. I guess because they hide behind a keyboard it doesn't matter.

I happen to think there is more to her weight gain than just her letting herself go. She just had a baby, is she having problems with her thyroid? Is she on meds that is causing the weight gain? Maybe her metabolism is out of whack. Or maybe she's doing it the right way and losing the weight slowly? If you were a true fan of hers or the show, you would show your support and give her a minute to deal with it.
After reading all this I have to wonder: What would those who have been saying all these hurtful and shameful things do if their daughter, their young daughter started to gain weight? I think I now know why anorexia and bulimia are at all time high. It's because of people like those here who have no patience with anyone who is less than perfect. And they let them know it.

DLiquid

01-17-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Agatha Mystery
Besides, even if she gets back to 110, she's still going to have a belly pooch. That's the nature of having a baby.You are stating this as if it is a fact, but this is not true for all women.

For the record, I do think big women can be very attractive, but for me it depends on how the weight is distributed. Leah does not at all have the hour glass type thing that Marilyn Monroe had going on. Leah looks more pear shaped. Her face is also showing the weight gain, which maybe makes her seem a bit bigger than she really is. Is she "fat?" I would tend to say yes, but I am comparing her to her former self (healthy, not too skinny), so the standards are pretty high.

The conversations in this thread are straying way off topic. As far as I know, Leah Remini has never looked anything like Calista Flockhart. She probably had the body she had by eating healthy and exercising, which any doctor would recommend. On KoQ, her body never looked anything like that of a "teenage boy." She had curves. Pregnancy wasn't very kind to her and she seems to be having a hard time shedding the weight, assuming she is even trying. IMO, she does not carry the extra weight well, and she's gone from very attractive to average (for TV) as a result. I don't find it shallow to point this out. She is a television actress who has posed for at least two skin magazines. She has put herself out there as a sex symbol. She is fair game for observations like those in this thread. But some of you seem to treat the discussions in this thread as if they are about you, or someone you know. They aren't.

DLiquid

01-17-2005, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Breezy
After reading all this I have to wonder: What would those who have been saying all these hurtful and shameful things do if their daughter, their young daughter started to gain weight? I think I now know why anorexia and bulimia are at all time high. It's because of people like those here who have no patience with anyone who is less than perfect. And they let them know it.This is a perfect example of what I was getting at with my last post. I would never say anything hurtful to someone I know (or even didn't know) in person. But guess what, those little people on my TV can't hear me when I talk, so I can make whatever silly comments I want about them. This is a message board where instead of talking at our TV or to those we watch TV with, we say those things in posts. Kind of like watching TV with 100 other people in your living room. Leah Remini is not reading this message board.

You can't equate a message board discussion about someone in the public eye to a private conversation between a father and a daughter. Say Leah Remini got a bad haircut that we were all making fun of. If our wife, mother, or daughter got a bad hair cut would we make fun of them? Of course not. Comedians like Leno and Letterman have made a career out of making fun of people in the public eye. Do you think they make fun of and insult their friends and family when they go home at night?

YCantAngieRead

01-17-2005, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Bernie
To the men who posted that she's disgusting..or wouldn't get hit on..how about posting photos of yourselves?
I've only read a few posts in this thread, because even the title is offensive, but I couldn't agree with this sentiment more than I do right now.

Plus, if you're going to slam someone for their weight, at least spell her name right. :rolleyes:

DaveBogart

01-17-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Bernie
To the men who posted that she's disgusting..or wouldn't get hit on..how about posting photos of yourselves? Right over there to the left. I wouldn't hit on her because she's (to me) ugly. Neither she nor the character she plays, skinny or not, appeal to me.

nataylor

01-17-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Bernie
To the men who posted that she's disgusting..or wouldn't get hit on..how about posting photos of yourselves? Dude, she's way below my standards. For the record:
http://www.emusing.com/imgs/page_imgs/images/ugly_man.jpg

Mahlon

01-17-2005, 02:49 PM

Wow. I can't believe I'm the one who started this thread! Hey, would any of you ladies like to go out with me sometime? :D :D :D

DevdogAZ

01-17-2005, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by breezy
After reading all this I have to wonder: What would those who have been saying all these hurtful and shameful things...
Like DLiquid said, I don't understand the fanatical need to stick up for someone you don't know just because she has been called fat. Why is it "hurtful and shameful" to make the statement that someone is fat? As I said earlier, I wish opinions like "disgusting" and comparisons like "big as a house" had not been introduced into this thread, because they tend to incite feelings and get people on the defensive.

But to those of you who are sticking up for her, I have a question. If you take away the opinions that I quoted above and just look objectively at whether she is overweight or not, can you honestly say she's not fat? Why must everyone get up in arms over a statement of fact like this? Would you all rush to make the same arguments in a thread titled "John Goodman Fat!" or "Tyne Daly Fat!" or "Kirstie Allie Fat!?"

LoadStar

01-17-2005, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by devdogaz
Like DLiquid said, I don't understand the fanatical need to stick up for someone you don't know just because she has been called fat. Why is it "hurtful and shameful" to make the statement that someone is fat? As I said earlier, I wish opinions like "disgusting" and comparisons like "big as a house" had not been introduced into this thread, because they tend to incite feelings and get people on the defensive.

But to those of you who are sticking up for her, I have a question. If you take away the opinions that I quoted above and just look objectively at whether she is overweight or not, can you honestly say she's not fat? Why must everyone get up in arms over a statement of fact like this? Would you all rush to make the same arguments in a thread titled "John Goodman Fat!" or "Tyne Daly Fat!" or "Kirstie Allie Fat!?"

"Fat" is a pejorative term.... and has a connotation that is roughly the same as "obese."

Has she gained weight? Definitely. Is she overweight? Probably. Is she obese? No. Is she "fat"? I would say no.

And while you may feel perfectly comfortable using a pejorative term like "fat" at will because the person isn't likely to be reading this particular forum, there are probably people who ARE reading the forum, see themselves as being in the same position as Leah, and have the term "fat" - and worse, "disgusting" and "big as a house" thrown around, and it hurts _them._

And honestly - it's not a very nice thing to say about someone, whether or not they're reading what you say or not.

Breezy

01-17-2005, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by DLiquid
This is a perfect example of what I was getting at with my last post. I would never say anything hurtful to someone I know (or even didn't know) in person. But guess what, those little people on my TV can't hear me when I talk, so I can make whatever silly comments I want about them. This is a message board where instead of talking at our TV or to those we watch TV with, we say those things in posts. Kind of like watching TV with 100 other people in your living room. Leah Remini is not reading this message board.

You can't equate a message board discussion about someone in the public eye to a private conversation between a father and a daughter. Say Leah Remini got a bad haircut that we were all making fun of. If our wife, mother, or daughter got a bad hair cut would we make fun of them? Of course not. Comedians like Leno and Letterman have made a career out of making fun of people in the public eye. Do you think they make fun of and insult their friends and family when they go home at night?

So, you're saying that it's okay to call someone fat and disgusting because they can't hear you? It's okay because you don't know them?
Are there children in the room learning from all this wisdom? Or are you careful and only make fun of people when you think they're not listening?
There is a very fine line between commenting on something and making fun of someone. To use your example: If Leah got a haircut that I didn't care for, I would say "I don't care for her new haircut" where some here, based on what they've written in this thread might say "Her new haircut makes her look disgusting". See the difference?
It's okay to make fun of Leah because she's on tv, but with your family and friends you're more careful? Is that what you're saying?
As for Leno and Letterman. I'm not a faithful viewer of either one of them, but when I do watch I never hear any name calling about a persons appearance. And that is what is going on here. Name calling.
And are you 100% sure that she's not reading this board? Or someone who may know her may not be reading this board? And if she's not, then that makes it okay?
Take her name out of it and we could be discussing many people. But, because it's an actress we're talking about, we're not really making fun of her. Hear that, any over weight person that may be reading this. We're not making fun of you, we're making fun of some actress that just happens to be struggling like you are.
We call her names but we would never do that to you.
Isn't this the basis of this entire thread?

Edit: I just checked the IMDb and see that she gave birth in June 2004,
I'm guessing that we're watching episodes that they've taped in, what? October? So, she's expected to be back at pre-birth weight in 4 months?

DevdogAZ

01-17-2005, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by LoadStar
And while you may feel perfectly comfortable using a pejorative term like "fat" at will because the person isn't likely to be reading this particular forum, there are probably people who ARE reading the forum, see themselves as being in the same position as Leah, and have the term "fat" - and worse, "disgusting" and "big as a house" thrown around, and it hurts _them._
This is what I have been suspecting all along. People are getting defensive about the use of the term "fat" because they see themselves as similar to or bigger than Leah Remini and if she's fat, then they are too and they don't want to admit that they are fat.

To those suggesting she's not fat: I don't think any less of her because she's fat. However, I don't find her as attractive as she used to be. It shouldn't be a hit to her self-esteem as she has a perfectly reasonable expalantion for her weight gain and it shouldn't be a blow to your self-esteem either. However, you should realize that there are some people in this would who do look at someone the size of Leah Remini and think of her as "disgusting" and "big as a house." It would be in your best interest to ignore these things and realize that these opinions will always be out there. Getting defensive and trying to change these opinions is a waste of your time. If you are the same size as Leah Remini and it bothers you to be called fat, you have two options: 1) Do something about your weight, or 2) Stop worrying about what others think about you. I would recommend both, but especially the latter, as it will make your life a lot better when you gain some self-esteem and stop caring how others view you.

LoadStar

01-17-2005, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by devdogaz
This is what I have been suspecting all along. People are getting defensive about the use of the term "fat" because they see themselves as similar to or bigger than Leah Remini and if she's fat, then they are too and they don't want to admit that they are fat.

Wow. Reading into my posts much? I said that OTHERS might see themselves as being at the same weight as Leah appears to be.

Myself, I'm 6'1", 160 lbs - not remotely overweight.

And I still say "fat" is a pejorative term. "Overweight" is more accurate and doesn't have the same connotations.

mooseAndSquirrel

01-17-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by LoadStar
"Fat" is a pejorative term.... and has a connotation that is roughly the same as "obese."
Yeah, I guess, but is being called obese any more acceptable or easier to hear? Because that's a term used commonly in medicine.

I remember when one of my kids was being born, the whiteboard out in the hall had a sort of game plan for the night. Next to one patient's name (no number, her name) it said "morbidly obese." I really hoped that she or her husband wouldn't see that.

It's funny the high horse some folks are on in this thread, when commenting in a negative way about things is a big part of internet boards. How many actors (on Smallville alone?) are called terrible actors who couldn't act their way out of of paper bag? If Leah was called (rightfully, as far as I'm concerned) a terrible actress, would there be the same level of upset? No - some might disagree, but they wouldn't call the original poster a closet masturbator or a crummy parent.

DLiquid

01-17-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Breezy
So, you're saying that it's okay to call someone fat and disgusting because they can't hear you? It's okay because you don't know them?No, it's okay because she's in the public eye and she's somewhat of a sex symbol due to her spreads in Stuff and FHM.

It's okay to make fun of Leah because she's on tv, but with your family and friends you're more careful? Is that what you're saying?Basically. I wouldn't write a letter to Leah Remini that said she was fat, but I think it's okay to say so on an internet message board.

As for Leno and Letterman. I'm not a faithful viewer of either one of them, but when I do watch I never hear any name calling about a persons appearance. And that is what is going on here. Name calling.You must not watch very closely. The size of J-Lo's rear end was the constant butt :D of jokes for quite a while. Janet Reno's homeliness was also a big joke subject a while back. And they both constantly make jokes about how dumb people are. Fat jokes are kind of retro, so they probably don't make too many of those.

And are you 100% sure that she's not reading this board? Or someone who may know her may not be reading this board? And if she's not, then that makes it okay?I'm 99.9% sure she's not reading this board, but even if she is I think it's okay for me to call her overweight and not as attractive as she used to be, which is all I ever did. She probably sees worse criticisms about herself just walking by a rack of tabloids.

Take her name out of it and we could be discussing many people.This is where I lose you. We aren't discussing many people, we're discussing a specific person.

Inundated

01-17-2005, 04:16 PM

I'm just scratching my head how the words "fat", "blimp" or "big as a house" could be applied to Ms. Remini. Those picture caps from the show, on this thread, are what she looks like now, right?

And I'm someone who didn't really find her attractive when she was "skinny". It had nothing to do with her weight, either before or after.

I think some folks are *rightfully* getting bent out of shape over pejoratives like this because they look at the pictures, and are just as dumbfounded as I am. She's clearly gained weight, but my definition of the word "fat" isn't anywhere near where she appears to be in these captures. And if you call THAT woman fat...what pejoratives would you use for someone who weighs more than her?

niea_7

01-17-2005, 04:25 PM

But to those of you who are sticking up for her, I have a question. If you take away the opinions that I quoted above and just look objectively at whether she is overweight or not, can you honestly say she's not fat?

I had no idea who she was before this thread, have never seen KoQ, and have only seen the pictures posted in this thread.

I honestly do not think she's fat. She's has gained some weight, but nowhere near "fat". In fact I think she looks much healthier now than she did when she was thinner.

Terms like underweight, overweight, obese, and morbidly obese are medical terms with a strict definition. If a person meets the established, medical criteria for one of those terms, being labeled as such would be "fact". Other terms, like fat, are subjective terms with no basis in medicine and their usage is only a matter of opinion. Unless you are her doctor and know her specifics (bodily fat %, weight, height, etc) there is no way anybody can call her overweight or obese and state so as fact.

DLiquid

01-17-2005, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Inundated
I'm just scratching my head how the words "fat", "blimp" or "big as a house" could be applied to Ms. Remini.I think people have been joking around a bit with the terms. She's not that big really, but she just doesn't fit the "hot wife" category anymore, IMO. Here are some before/after pics, with the after being quite recent, I think.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/tv_pix/emmys/53rd_emmy_awards_photos/leah_remini/emmy2.jpg

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/tv_pix/cbs/people_s_choice_awards_2005_arrivals_photos/leah_remini/peopleschoice04m.jpg

daperlman

01-17-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by niea_7
I had no idea who she was before this thread, have never seen KoQ, and have only seen the pictures posted in this thread.

I honestly do not think she's fat. She's has gained some weight, but nowhere near "fat". In fact I think she looks much healthier now than she did when she was thinner.

Terms like underweight, overweight, obese, and morbidly obese are medical terms with a strict definition. If a person meets the established, medical criteria for one of those terms, being labeled as such would be "fact". Other terms, like fat, are subjective terms with no basis in medicine and their usage is only a matter of opinion. Unless you are her doctor and know her specifics (bodily fat %, weight, height, etc) there is no way anybody can call her overweight or obese and state so as fact. Yeah you might be surprised who *IS* obese according to the medical threshold (29%). Many people that probably aren't thought of as fat.

niea_7

01-17-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by daperlman
Yeah you might be surprised who *IS* obese according to the medical threshold (29%). Many people that probably aren't thought of as fat.

Oh no surprise here. I personally just crossed the threshold from obese to merely overweight. She could overweight, according to the medical definition, but I sincerely doubt she's obese. But evenso, that's not our call to make - that's her doctor's.

YCantAngieRead

01-17-2005, 07:43 PM

I'm glad that there are still people out there who don't think it's okay to use pejorative terms with people who are overweight.

There's something really wrong in this country when people can logically come to the conclusion that calling people by racist terms, making fun of a disability or being a sexist is wrong, but that making fun of fat people is perfectly okay.

There are times when I think others think that when a person has extra weight, they lose their ability to hear (or in this case, read.)

Seriously-don't be an ass about weight. Be supportive and kind and encouraging of fitness. There'd be a lot fewer overweight people if others were more this way.

Hank

01-18-2005, 10:06 AM

I can just see it already....

Happy Hour - General Chit-Chat (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=5)
Sit on a stool and discuss 'Off Topic' matters. From Humor and News, to how-to's and how do you do's.
Please note: Controversial posts such as religion, politics, race, sex, weight, body image, hotness, etc. may be removed without notice.

Now I see where all that pent-up energy from banned politics and religion talk has gone. ;)

For the record, I think she's hot thin or otherwise not-so-thin.

edit: geeze- I thought I was in Happy Hour.. not TV talk. Carry on.

fmowry

01-18-2005, 10:57 AM

If anyone watched her VH-1 special documenting her life through her pregnancy you would see she was shoveling pints of ice cream into her trap.

Bottom line, there's a "healthy" weight gain when pregnant and there's out of control junk consumption. Unfortunately, in fat America, we raise the bar of what healthy is whenever too many people reach the "unhealthy" stage.

The pics of porky Leah in this thread don't even show her at her fattest. I watch the show and my wife and I are always waiting to see if she's gone up or down from the previous episode. She has been at least up to 170.

Frank

DevdogAZ

01-18-2005, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by LoadStar
Wow. Reading into my posts much? I said that OTHERS might see themselves as being at the same weight as Leah appears to be.
I gathered from your avatar that you are not fat. My comments did not assume that because you made a statement, you were talking about yourself. I was simply saying that you confirmed what I suspected about many of the comments in this thread, i.e. some are reluctant to declare Ms. Remini as fat for fear that it will place them in the same category.
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
There's something really wrong in this country when people can logically come to the conclusion that calling people by racist terms, making fun of a disability or being a sexist is wrong, but that making fun of fat people is perfectly okay.
So making the statement that someone is African-American is making fun of them? Stating that you are a woman is making fun of you? How are those any different from stating that Leah is fat? It is simply a statement of fact, despite the attempts by some in this thread to incorporate medical definitions of obesity into the discussion of what is fat.

MacThor

01-18-2005, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by serumgard
It's threads like this that lead to women like Calista Flockhart and Lara Flynn Boyle and Brittany Murphy and the Olson twins losing extreme amounts of weight to the point of being unhealthy

Really? Calista, Lara, Brittany...you lurking on the TC Forum?

They're not consulting these threads, and I doubt there was ever an "Ally McBeal is fat" thread, anyway....

I dropped my SP, and not for the reasons in this thread -- conflicts and time constraints. But it seems to me the writers should make an adjustment if the actress no longer looks like the character she's supposed to portray. It's like they are so worried about a show-baby being a "jump the shark" moment (which it often is) that they tried to ignore the actress-baby, and accompanying weight.

NatasNJ

01-18-2005, 12:22 PM

You can not compare race and disabilities to weight. Weight is something that can be controlled (in 99% of cases) where race, gender and disabilities are something that you can not control. So I don't see how you can even remotely label them as the same thing.

Leah is probably Fat. If she got naked you would see flesh hanging over. That is fat. Overweight is when you can't the persons ribs. Obese is a tough one since I can see it be used to describe someone who is REALLY FAT or if used in a medical sense someone who is just fat. Now she did just have a kid so there is some leay way there. But I am in the group of not my type of girl.

Who cares if people are fat? I do. Why? Cause the constant weight gain by people in this country is a major problem facing our healthcare system. Then add in the fact when fat people have kids, in most cases (that I have witnessed) their kids are fat. So they burden the kid with being unhealthy and unfortunate ridicule. And I consider that child abuse.

YCantAngieRead

01-18-2005, 12:33 PM

So making the statement that someone is African-American is making fun of them? Stating that you are a woman is making fun of you? How are those any different from stating that Leah is fat? It is simply a statement of fact, despite the attempts by some in this thread to incorporate medical definitions of obesity into the discussion of what is fat.
You TOTALLY missed my point. There are obvious terms used towards African Americans or women that are derrogatory. I doubt you'd walk up to someone who is black and call them the N word. It's common sense these days.

Bottom line-calling someone fat, or saying that someone who is 170 pounds is fat makes other people who might be struggling with weight issues feel like crap.

Want to know whose feelings you hurt? Mine. I've struggled with weight my entire life, and been to the point of wanting to kill myself over it. And I am very much not alone in that. Do you think you can sleep at night knowing your words have that kind of an effect on people?

thevargasgrl

01-18-2005, 12:40 PM

NatasNJ

01-18-2005, 12:44 PM

I am not trying to offend anyone. I realize people who are overweight are in most cases struggling with it. And I do apologize if I offended you in anyway.

The reason I would comment on Leah is because she is a celebrity. Being in the spotlight (unfortunately) comes along with constant scrutinizing from their weight to the wrinkles in their face, etc... Is this wrong? Probably. But it is the world we live in today.

I agree. I would not walk up to a black person and use a rude comment like that. Nor would I walk up to a overweight (fat) person and say it either. And if you are YCantAngieRead overweight/fat/etc... I would never call you that either. (well unless you became a celebrity :) ) or asked someone for their honest opinion on your weight.

Like I said I apologize if I offended you. May I ask you a personal question, YCantAngieRead? Were your parents overweight people?

And on a sidenote.. People really shouldn't worry about what other people say about them. If someone said I had a big nose or was too short or too tall I could careless. They are simply making a comment on their perception of me. THat is fine. I don't lose sleep over those type of comments. Actually I think it is funny... And I would hope someone like Leah would not care about 10 guys in a forum online calling her fat. I guess it is easier said then done, but people need to focus their attention on more important things than comments by other people, especially strangers...

rberry88

01-18-2005, 01:19 PM

Let's review what we've learned in this thread so far:

1. The "Now Playing - TV Show Talk" forum isn't limited to talk about TV shows or even actors/actresses on these TV shows we watch.

2. You cannot, under any circumstance, call someone who has just had a baby "fat" or "disgusting", no matter what your opinion on this may be. And irregardless (sp?) is you think it is true or not, it is still not accepted.

3. Nataylor does not look better with pigtails. ;P

4. An actor/actress in a TV show cannot be talked about in regards to their weight or atractive-ness, no matter what the hell you think.

5. Any opinions you have regarding any actor/actress should be kept to yourself because it will upset someone personally in this forum.

6. Please don't think about taking this to the Happy Hour General Chit-Chat forum where it would be more appropriate because we all know celebrities "do" read these forums. LOL

7. A pooch belly is sexy and gorgeous. :)

8. Don't add anymore to this list because it will surely get everyone mad at you and then you will have to be on my side of the fence. :)

**disclaimer** Not one of these points in this post are meant to offend any member of this forum or the general population of Earth as a whole.

frombhto323

01-18-2005, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by toddvj
Oh, my Goodness. You can honestly look at her and say she's not fat??? She is huge. And Calista Flockhart and Twiggy (whoever that is, wasn't she from, like, 40 years ago?) aren't the only women who aren't fat, that is a ridiculous statement. Granted, she's not 300 pounds, but her height and weight are definitely not proportionate. Any doctor that says she's in the healthy, normal range is a quack.

I guess you think Calista Flockart is normal sized? Keep in mind that Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12-14 dress and Jayne Mansfield was even bigger than her. Maybe its a matter of personal taste. I'd much rather go out with Leau as she is now than Laura Flynn Boyle in her Practice heyday. Man, what a skeleton, and a pale one at that!

YCantAngieRead

01-18-2005, 01:51 PM

I guess I should back off a little since she is in the public eye. But my point is this is what causes people to have unrealistic expectations about their own body image. But it's a free country, and you can say whatever you want-and I have the right to say what I want, too.

Like I said I apologize if I offended you. May I ask you a personal question, YCantAngieRead? Were your parents overweight people?
No, and that's part of my anger on the issue. People look at my family-who are all very, very thin-and say that I'm just lazy, and that it couldn't be a family issue. But it is-further down the line than my immediate family, my grandparents on my father's side all had serious issues.

There are lots of things you can't tell about people just by looking and making a snap judgement. Maybe Calista Flockhart really does have problems putting on weight. It's a lesson I learned in junior high when one of my good friends was always made fun of because she couldn't put on weight. We bonded because weight was an issue for both of us, in other ways. (She's a model now, by the way, and looks good and healthy. Those guys who made fun of her are really biting their tongues.)

MacThor

01-18-2005, 02:00 PM

Ummm......once again, the not-blown-out-of-proportion, real issue is:

Leah Remini does not look like Carrie Heffernan, as written.

If Kevin James lost 100 pounds, and they kept writing Doug Heffernan the same way, it would also be an issue.

pmyers

01-18-2005, 02:06 PM

I think somebody else said it best when they equated it to when Matt Leblanc hurt his arm in real life so they had to write it into Friends....that's really the point and was my original question.

Bryanmc

01-18-2005, 02:22 PM

I think she looks fine as a person. Still very pretty.

I *don't* think she looks like the character she's supposed to be playing.

And FWIW, my wife weighs less now than she did before her two kids and has no 'pooch'. She's super hot. :D We are exactly what Doug and Carrie should be like.

DougF

01-18-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Bryanmc
...And FWIW, my wife weighs less now than she did before her two kids and has no 'pooch'. She's super hot. :D...

Dude, where are the pics?

:D

toddvj

01-18-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by frombhto323
I guess you think Calista Flockart is normal sized? Keep in mind that Marilyn Monroe wore a size 12-14 dress and Jayne Mansfield was even bigger than her. Maybe its a matter of personal taste. I'd much rather go out with Leau as she is now than Laura Flynn Boyle in her Practice heyday. Man, what a skeleton, and a pale one at that!

Sorry, I was going to stay out of this from now on, but where did I say that Calista Flockhart is normal sized?

Marilyn Monroe was from 50 years ago. She's been dead over 40 years. Would she be thought as beautiful/glamorous if she was around today? Maybe, maybe not. The point is, that's a ridiculous comparison. You really have to go back 50 years to find someone who was thought of as Beautiful even though she "wore a size 12-14 dress?" Besides, even if she was big, she never had a fat face, like Leah. Oops sorry, you were talking about Leau, nevermind.

I didn't grow up watching Marilyn Monroe , I've never seen a movie of either of hers (in it's entirety), so all I have to go by is what grandma and grampa say about her. She's nothing to me. Same goes for Jayne Mansfield, but even more so.

Why is it okay to talk about Calista Flockhart, Laura Flynn Boyle, the Olson Twin (whichever one) being too skinny, and even calling someone a Pale Skeleton okay, but as soon as someone is fat, lets all go Richard Simmons and defend them?

Bryanmc

01-18-2005, 03:15 PM

That Jayne Mansfield had some big breasts.

MacThor

01-18-2005, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Bryanmc
That Jayne Mansfield had some big breasts.

By the way....they're real...and they're spectacular.

ClutchBrake

01-18-2005, 04:26 PM

You may not be familiar with Jayne Mansfield but you may be familiar with her daughter. Mariska Hargitay (Det. Olivia Benson) of Law & Order: SVU.

toddvj

01-18-2005, 04:51 PM

Yeah, I just found that out because of the Golden Globe Awards.

Speaking of Marishka Hargitay, do you remember that she Mark Greene's girlfriend on ER for a short time.

I just looked it up and confirmed it, she was on for 13 episodes. So I edited my post.

ClutchBrake

01-18-2005, 04:58 PM

Yes, she was on ER. It was right before she began SVU.

jami

01-18-2005, 07:16 PM

I think most of the major points have been made on both sides of the argument here - not much I could add. However, those that are saying that the show is written about a fat guy and his hot wife, where are you getting that description?

From the website's "About the show" - here is the generic description of the show:

THE KING OF QUEENS revolves around Doug and Carrie Heffernan (Kevin James and Leah Remini), a loving blue-collar couple from Queens, N.Y., who share their humble home with her eccentric father, Arthur (Jerry Stiller). After a long day's work as a parcel deliveryman, Doug retreats to his home for some peace and quiet, which is often interrupted by Carrie's father, for whom they have hired a dog-walker, Holly (Nicole Sullivan), to take him on walks. Doug's only refuges are the little time he spends alone with Carrie and the company of his buddy Spence (Patton Oswalt), and his brother, Danny (Gary Valentine), whom he turns to for advice that just might make his life better, if he only bothered to follow it.

Where is the "fat guy" and "hot wife" description? And how should this description be re-written to accommodate the changes in Leah's appearrance that you find offensive?

DLiquid

01-18-2005, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by jamijc
THE KING OF QUEENS revolves around Doug and Carrie Heffernan (Kevin James and Leah Remini), a loving blue-collar couple from Queens, N.Y., who share their humble home with her eccentric father, Arthur (Jerry Stiller). After a long day's work as a parcel deliveryman, Doug retreats to his home for some peace and quiet, which is often interrupted by Carrie's father, for whom they have hired a dog-walker, Holly (Nicole Sullivan), to take him on walks. Doug's only refuges are the little time he spends alone with Carrie and the company of his buddy Spence (Patton Oswalt), and his brother, Danny (Gary Valentine), whom he turns to for advice that just might make his life better, if he only bothered to follow it.Danny is his cousin, not his brother. The description doesn't even mention Deacon, his best friend. Whoever wrote it obviously doesn't watch the show. The "hot wife" with out of shape guy dynamic has been a subject of MANY episodes of KoQ.

aindik

01-18-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by DLiquid
Danny is his cousin, not his brother. The description doesn't even mention Deacon, his best friend. Whoever wrote it obviously doesn't watch the show. The "hot wife" with out of shape guy dynamic has been a subject of MANY episodes of KoQ.

Gary Valentine is Kevin James' real life brother, though.

cptodd

01-18-2005, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by daperlman
really they ought to just shoot her!

:rolleyes:

and draw and quarter her (which for those who don't know is tying each appendage to a horse and making them run in four different directions). Then put her head on a spike as an example to all other errant fat women.

I can understand that people might not feel disposed to her or any fat person (and expressing it in a less venomous way) but I find it quite interesting the way men (and I do believe that this is a male phenomenon) feel absolutely justified and empowered to express any and all feeling that they have no matter how distasteful. It is like verbal vomit. Comments such as putting a bag on her before f_____g her and others are rather shocking in their level of solipsism and just sheer rudeness!

daperlman

01-18-2005, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Bryanmc

And FWIW, my wife weighs less now than she did before her two kids and has no 'pooch'. I always called that a moose knuckle.

YCantAngieRead

01-18-2005, 08:31 PM

Wait. Marishka Hargitay is the daughter of someone else...maybe granddaughter? Now I have to go look....

Edit: Well I'll be darned. She was photographed with someone recently who I thought was her mother for breast cancer awareness. I'll have to look that up again.

midas

01-18-2005, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Lori
My husband's question everytime this topic comes up is why the ideal female body frequently resembles the body of a teenage boy.

Hmm, I think teenage girl would be more the point. :D

I can't honestly say that appeals to me either though. I met my wife when she was still a teenager, but she wasn't exactly tiny then. She was 5'5" and about 130 at the time. 32 years later, she weighs a lot more (A LOT MORE). And we've never had any kids, so she doesn't even have that excuse.

pmyers

01-19-2005, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by jamijc
I think most of the major points have been made on both sides of the argument here - not much I could add. However, those that are saying that the show is written about a fat guy and his hot wife, where are you getting that description?

From the website's "About the show" - here is the generic description of the show:

THE KING OF QUEENS revolves around Doug and Carrie Heffernan (Kevin James and Leah Remini), a loving blue-collar couple from Queens, N.Y., who share their humble home with her eccentric father, Arthur (Jerry Stiller). After a long day's work as a parcel deliveryman, Doug retreats to his home for some peace and quiet, which is often interrupted by Carrie's father, for whom they have hired a dog-walker, Holly (Nicole Sullivan), to take him on walks. Doug's only refuges are the little time he spends alone with Carrie and the company of his buddy Spence (Patton Oswalt), and his brother, Danny (Gary Valentine), whom he turns to for advice that just might make his life better, if he only bothered to follow it.

Where is the "fat guy" and "hot wife" description? And how should this description be re-written to accommodate the changes in Leah's appearrance that you find offensive?

Obviously you don't watch the show if you don't get how the show is about a fat husband and hot wife. Go participate in a thread about a show you do actually watch and can contribute something.

thevargasgrl

01-19-2005, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by pmyers
Obviously you don't watch the show if you don't get how the show is about a fat husband and hot wife. Go participate in a thread about a show you do actually watch and can contribute something.
I watch this show and I think the dynamic more lies in the husband/wife relationship not in the fat/thin one. It has not affected the show in my opinion. She was freaking PREGNANT on the show and they didn't write that in and no one thought twice.
Now for those of you that said she sits on her ass all day and eats, screw you. You have NO idea what her life is like. I have gained weight over the past 6 months steadily and I do not sit on my ass. I quit smoking and started taking birth control pills. I walk about a half hour a day (to work) and do an hour of cardio 4 days a week and usually pilates 3 times a week. You cannot say why she has kept her baby weight (perhaps lack of sleep, studies correlate lack of sleep to being overweight) or because she is having complications from pregnancy. If you think the show has changed, don't watch it. But saying things like that hurt other people. I am not that sensitive but I did want to let you know that is is possible to be overweight and healthy.

pmyers

01-19-2005, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by thevargasgrl
I watch this show and I think the dynamic more lies in the husband/wife relationship not in the fat/thin one. It has not affected the show in my opinion. She was freaking PREGNANT on the show and they didn't write that in and no one thought twice...

Actually your totally wrong. Myself, and others were vocal here complaining about them not writing in her pregnancy/weight gain...before and after her birth.

thevargasgrl

01-19-2005, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by pmyers
Actually your totally wrong. Myself, and others were vocal here complaining about them not writing in her pregnancy/weight gain...before and after her birth.
Well, I must have missed that post.

John McKee

01-19-2005, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I guess I should back off a little since she is in the public eye. But my point is this is what causes people to have unrealistic expectations about their own body image. But it's a free country, and you can say whatever you want-and I have the right to say what I want, too.

No, and that's part of my anger on the issue. People look at my family-who are all very, very thin-and say that I'm just lazy, and that it couldn't be a family issue. But it is-further down the line than my immediate family, my grandparents on my father's side all had serious issues.

There are lots of things you can't tell about people just by looking and making a snap judgement. Maybe Calista Flockhart really does have problems putting on weight. It's a lesson I learned in junior high when one of my good friends was always made fun of because she couldn't put on weight. We bonded because weight was an issue for both of us, in other ways. (She's a model now, by the way, and looks good and healthy. Those guys who made fun of her are really biting their tongues.)

And now you have found a pet-peeve of mine. With a few extremely rare and for the most part treatable conditions, no one really has a metabolism so extreme on either end of the scale that they lose or gain weight, as much as people like to think that they do. It's amazing what subtle differences in our eating habits can make the difference between eating too few calories and eating too many. Some people are genetically lucky and have a keener sense of what their caloric needs really are, and some people need to pay more attention to what they are eating, however there has been study after study showing that there is a huge gap in perception of how much and how healthily people think they eat, and what they do eat.

I'm not calling you lazy, I don't doubt for a second that it is harder for you to naturally eat closer to your caloric needs than most "thin" people, but to imply you can't do it because of some genetic reason is simply impossible.

TheDewAddict

01-19-2005, 07:49 AM

For those who say Marilyn Monroe would be considered fat by today's standards, check this out.

Marilyn Monroe's measurements (range based on the fact that every woman gains/loses weight over her lifetime):
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D

Elizabeth Hurley's measurements:
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 125 pounds
Bust: 36 inches
Waist: 25 inches
Hips: 35 inches
Bra Size: 36C

As you can see, Elizabeth is about 3 1/2 inches taller than Marilyn, but at various times in her life, Marilyn weighed less than Elizabeth, and had a similar bust and hips size, with a smaller waist.

Marilyn's info taken from Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/mmdress.htm)

Elizabeth's info taken from Some fan site (http://www.allstarz.org/~hurley/Facts.html)

jami

01-19-2005, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by pmyers
Obviously you don't watch the show if you don't get how the show is about a fat husband and hot wife. Go participate in a thread about a show you do actually watch and can contribute something.

I've seen every episode since it began. My contribution was a question that obviously you had no answer for, so you resort to an ad hominem attack instead of answering. Nice.

Besides the season opener of 2003 when Doug did lose weight and Carrie didn't like the change in the dynamic of their relationship, what other episodes dealt with what you describe?

pmyers

01-19-2005, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by jamijc
I've seen every episode since it began. My contribution was a question that obviously you had no answer for, so you resort to an ad hominem attack instead of answering. Nice.

Besides the season opener of 2003 when Doug did lose weight and Carrie didn't like the change in the dynamic of their relationship, what other episodes dealt with what you describe?

maybe because the "description" you quoted isn't even an accurate description of the show, or at least not anymore (how they could leave out Deacon is beyond me). Furthermore, by you asking your silly question it's obvious you don't watch the show (or at least haven't watched it for very long) so I didn't feel the need to analyze every episode for you.

*edit* I see now that you say you've seen every episode...if that is the case I don't see how you can possibly say this show isn't based of the underlying principle of "fat guy has hot wife". I would bet you that 99% of their viewers would agree with me.

jami

01-19-2005, 08:09 AM

It was from CBS' page for the show. Similar to those generic descriptions the TiVo guide displays when there is no episode description.

My point was, your assertion about the premise is based on your interpretation of the show. I have a different one. Neither of our positions is wrong nor right. It's our viewing experience based on our life experiences. That's why I asked for how it should be re-written. I did not attack your position or say you (or others) were wrong - I just asked for examples to prove your point.

99% would agree with you, huh? Well, if that's important to you, I won't try to argue with you. It's not that important to me. But to admonish me to go away is really poor form.

Now I see you are just like my husband. He would argue in extremes like "99%" and "I didn't feel the need to analyze every episode for you". I didn't ask for that. I'd be happy with one or two.

But I love him anyway. I won't make that claim with you. :D

pmyers

01-19-2005, 08:31 AM

That's cool....we can agree to disagree over the premise of the show and don't loose sleep as I already have enough love in my life ;)

ClutchBrake

01-19-2005, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Wait. Marishka Hargitay is the daughter of someone else...maybe granddaughter? Now I have to go look....

Edit: Well I'll be darned. She was photographed with someone recently who I thought was her mother for breast cancer awareness. I'll have to look that up again.

I've been smeeked again! ;) Like I said earlier (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=2530095#post2530095), Mariska Hargitay is the daughter of Jayne Mansfield.

YCantAngieRead

01-19-2005, 10:50 AM

In her IMDb information, it says she is sometimes credited as Marishka.

ClutchBrake

01-19-2005, 11:32 AM

It is pronounced Marishka but properly spelled it is Mariska. I'm betting she is not fond of being credited with her name spelled wrong! :D

MacThor

01-19-2005, 12:30 PM

Deacon has, on more than one occasion, remarked to Doug that (because of her sometimes attitude) "it's a good thing Carrie's hot."

And -- stop me if I'm wrong -- Doug being fat has been brought up at least once, right?

daperlman

01-19-2005, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by thevargasgrl
Now for those of you that said she sits on her ass all day and eats, screw you. You have NO idea what her life is like. I have gained weight over the past 6 months steadily and I do not sit on my ass. I quit smoking and started taking birth control pills. I walk about a half hour a day (to work) and do an hour of cardio 4 days a week and usually pilates 3 times a week. I heard those pills make women really defensive

thevargasgrl

01-19-2005, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by daperlman
I heard those pills make women really defensive
After my sweetie, you are my favorite person on this board!

pmyers

01-19-2005, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by MacThor
Deacon has, on more than one occasion, remarked to Doug that (because of her sometimes attitude) "it's a good thing Carrie's hot."

And -- stop me if I'm wrong -- Doug being fat has been brought up at least once, right?

yeah...I just watched "Fattie McButterpants" the other night. Carrie's weight was also an issue in that episode.

TheDewAddict

01-19-2005, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by MacThor
And -- stop me if I'm wrong -- Doug being fat has been brought up at least once, right?

I remember the episode from last year?? Where Carrie sends Doug to an "Overeaters Anonymous" group, but Doug winds up in a group for men who are abused by their wives (he sees they have much better food so he wanders in).

daperlman

01-19-2005, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by mystmaiden
Wow.... you're just a "Pig" aren't you?.... I don't care what you look like, your attitude makes you incredibly unattractive.
That pretty much goes for most of the men that have posted here. Originally posted by thevargasgrl
After my sweetie, you are my favorite person on this board! This thread has been a real emotional rollercoaster for me... :)
and to think I have never watched king of queens

*vargasgrl, Thanks for the kind words

mystmaiden

01-19-2005, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by daperlman
This thread has been a real emotional rollercoaster for me... :)

And yet somehow I think you'll survive.....Yes there is a world beyond this absurd thread....lol...;)

5thcrewman

01-19-2005, 01:23 PM

All this arguing is making me hungry!

Berry Dow

01-19-2005, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by 5thcrewman
All this arguing is making me hungry!

I could go for a Rimini Sandwich.

Does she have a sister?

DougF

01-19-2005, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by daperlman
This thread has been a real emotional rollercoaster for me... :)
and to think I have never watched king of queens

No rollercoaster for me, but I also have never watched it.

But, this thread has me curious and I did schedule a recording for tonight.

Tabitha573

01-19-2005, 02:38 PM

Whoever asked if I can honestly say she isn't fat, I can. She isn't fat. She's fatTER than she once was, but she isn't fat. And Agatha is probably right on with her weight assumption -- I'd assume 130, too. Keep in mind that men's body mass generally makes a man weigh more than a woman, even if he has a slight build.

Perhaps I got defensive when I shouldn't have, but I don't feel as if I did. Some of the comments in this thread were repulsive.

I'm 6 months pregnant, and I've had a lot of worries about weight gain. My doctor got onto me because I wasn't gaining enough weight (as of 20 weeks, I'd gained 5 pounds). I'm now up a total of 14 pounds (I'm 24 weeks). My doctor was elated. I'm 5'8", and 150 lbs is where I look and feel my healthiest. I wish I could start dieting now, but I can't. Any time I start to feel hungry, I have to eat or I puke. I try to eat healthy (fruits and veggies), but chocolate has been a big-time craving of mine. Luckily, hubby has been very supportive (as he should be -- he weighs 250 lbs himself, and he knows I think he's beautiful at any weight).

I guess it can be hurtful to know that women are much more accepting of a man's physical flaws than men seem to be of a woman's physical flaws (this is a generalization and is not meant to encompass the entire male population). Many, many overweight men are just downright sexy -- how many men can say the same for overweight women?

Tab

NatasNJ

01-19-2005, 02:52 PM

Just because women can find men sexy even if they are overweight doesn't mean the same can be said of men.

This reminds of the saying that if A man sleeps with 50 girls he is a stud, if a woman sleeps with 50 guys she is a s lut. For some reason there is not a two way street in all facets of life.

And Leah is fat. Not fatter. But Fat. I don't care if it is because of a pregnacy or overeating or whatever. She is fat. It is not a big deal if she is fat. But just a general observation that was made and for some reason many girls feel the need to defend/argue.

And for the record I tend to like smaller girls versus larger girls, but that is not saying I would never date a larger girl. Just a preference.
:)

mystmaiden

01-19-2005, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by NatasNJ
Just because women can find men sexy even if they are overweight doesn't mean the same can be said of men.

This reminds of the saying that if A man sleeps with 50 girls he is a stud, if a woman sleeps with 50 guys she is a s lut. For some reason there is not a two way street in all facets of life.
:)
Whatever body type you may find attractive is a personal choice, male or female, and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.... And FYI, only the delusional guy (and others like him) thinks he's a stud. He's really just a pig.

Inundated

01-19-2005, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573

I guess it can be hurtful to know that women are much more accepting of a man's physical flaws than men seem to be of a woman's physical flaws (this is a generalization and is not meant to encompass the entire male population). Many, many overweight men are just downright sexy -- how many men can say the same for overweight women?

Two of the sexiest women I've met would certainly be considered overweight, more so than Ms. Remini appears to be in the pictures posted here.

Of course, in this thread, they'd be "BIG AS A HOUSE!" or "A BLIMP!". ;)

NatasNJ

01-19-2005, 03:48 PM

I agree with you mystmaiden but I think you can catch the point of the saying. It simply holds women and men to different standards. Do I agree with that? Not a little. I think men and women (though different) should be held up to the same standards. Now I realize there are a TON of gray areas to do this across the board but in the general sense I agree with it.

But I also think that since men and women are different that also should be acknowledged. And I have seen several situations where it is not up. (boy scouts, things as such)

mystmaiden

01-19-2005, 03:58 PM

you can only be held to a certain standard if you acknowledge it as being true...I set my own standards, I don't let society set them for me. I just don't accept that.

Supfreak26

01-20-2005, 10:36 AM

Just read this entire thread and I can't help but put my 2 cents in...

I'll never understand people who get upset when people they will NEVER know are talked about in ways they don't agree with. Lighten up.

I never watch the show but even I understand the dynamic of it. It's a fat guy with a hot wife. I thought Leah was ok before. She had a nice body and all but I just happened to see a commercial for the show and was like WOW... what happened to her??

Regardless of the reasons she gained weight, she obviously has gained a lot of weight. Whether she is fat or not is a matter of personal opinion. Some people here think she looks fine. That's your OPINION. Personally, I think she looks fat and unhealthy. That's my OPINION.

Respect my opinion, and I'll respect yours. But please get off your high horse and stop telling us we should think she's hot regardless of her weight. Stop with the PC stuff already.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 10:42 AM

Supfreak26......the voice of reason. Well said.

5thcrewman

01-20-2005, 10:48 AM

Whoa!
I am SO flashing back to the Delta Burke- "Digesting Women" thread!:D

The more things change...

Supfreak26

01-20-2005, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by pmyers
Supfreak26......the voice of reason. Well said.

Alright! My first quote for the sig! :) Thanks, pmyers!

DevdogAZ

01-20-2005, 10:51 AM

Don't change your sig Supfreak. I love the Steve Martin quote.

Supfreak26

01-20-2005, 10:53 AM

oh it's still there. Sums up my married life too well. :)

DLiquid

01-20-2005, 10:55 AM

Last night I watched the two most recent episodes, and Carrie made lots of fat jokes at Doug's expense in both episodes. This is what we are talking about. If you think fat jokes are offensive, I can't imagine that you could even stomach ;) this show. Based on some of the defensive posts in this thread, I'd think some of you would consider these jokes verbal abuse of the Doug character. As a watcher of this show, I think the fat jokes don't work quite as well when the character making the jokes is also overweight, but I'm probably over thinking it due to this thread.

This show is still funny though. I loved this bit last night:
When Doug said they should spend their extra money on a speed boat. Carrie said no, then he said how about a speed boat with a male stripper, pointed to himself, and started doing some hilarious dance moves. Kevin James can be so funny.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 10:57 AM

Last night's episode had me laughting a lot. I loved the maids.

cptodd

01-20-2005, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Supfreak26
Just read this entire thread and I can't help but put my 2 cents in...

I'll never understand people who get upset when people they will NEVER know are talked about in ways they don't agree with. Lighten up.

So SF if I work within the confines of your logic I could then speak ill about your mother? TO MY MIND if it is crass it is just crass and people should be called on it! It really speaks to who some of these people are!

I agree that folks should have their opinions and be able to express them. But don't tell me that I can't call them on their funky behaivor. And for the record I too think she looks a bit overweight. I believe that she is still a fairly attractive woman though. But I objected to the crass way this conversation started. I also find it interesting that the underlying premise of many of the comments proceed from the notion that Ms. Rimini gives a crap about what they think. Finally, I think THERE ARE ways to talk about her weight gain that are respectful. We CAN debate wether or not her health is in jeopardy. We CAN debate whether or not this is a show based on the hot wife with unattractive husband narrative. We CAN debate a lot of things. But the folks who chimed in were not interesting in debating or talking about these issues. They were interested in denigrating her.

Supfreak26

01-20-2005, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by cptodd
So SF if I work within the confines of your logic I could then speak ill about your mother? TO MY MIND if it is crass it is just crass and people should be called on it! It really speaks to who some of these people are!

I agree that folks should have their opinions and be able to express them. But don't tell me that I can't call them on their funky behaivor. And for the record I too think she looks a bit overweight. I believe that she is still a fairly attractive woman though. But I objected to the crass way this conversation started. I also find it interesting that the underlying premise of many of the comments proceed from the notion that Ms. Rimini gives a crap about what they think. Finally, I think THERE ARE ways to talk about her weight gain that are respectful. We CAN debate wether or not her health is in jeopardy. We CAN debate whether or not this is a show based on the hot wife with unattractive husband narrative. We CAN debate a lot of things. But the folks who chimed in were not interesting in debating or talking about these issues. They were interested in denigrating her.

If my mother was a hot actress that was on a show based on the "hot girl-fat guy" premise and then she got fat, then sure. Say what you want. She is a public figure. Like it or not, she is subject to this kind of thing.

What I don't get is why do you care so much about her feelings? Are you president of her fan club or a family member or something? Nobody is shooting darts at you or any of the other folks offended by the "fat" comments. So why are people taking it so personally? It's ridiculous.

For the record, I'm a fat guy. 5'11" and 256lbs as of last Monday. It is the "fat" comments made towards me by friends and family that has prompted me to do something about it and I use that as motivation to keep me going on my weight loss program. So it's not always a negative thing to be called fat and obese. It can be a positive thing if you choose it to be.

cptodd

01-20-2005, 11:34 AM

And perhaps my wonder is why everyone is not taking it personally. For the record I am not taking it personally. I just find the whole thing crass, juvenile, puerile and solipsistic. AND I am calling folks on it!

I also don't care if you are fat or not. I am glad that you have chosen to work on your weight but i don't think that your masochistic tendencies should be used as the template for healthy weight management.

Fool Me Twice

01-20-2005, 11:38 AM

I typed these phrases into Google:

"Leah Rimini" - This thread was the fourth result.
"Rimini fat" - This thread was the first result.
"Rimini overweight" - This thread was the first result.

There's a good chance she or someone close to her has seen this thread. I'm sure they're curious about how her weight gain has affected people's opinion of her and the show.

So in that case: Hey, Leah!

Edit: I misspelled her name. However, using the correct spelling brings up the same results.

DLiquid

01-20-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
I typed these phrases into Google:

"Leah Rimini" - This thread was the fourth result.
"Rimini fat" - This thread was the first result.
"Rimini overweight" - This thread was the first result.

There's a good chance she or someone close to her has seen this thread.Why would someone close to her purposefully misspell her name in Google?

:D :D :p :p :p :D :D

heySkippy

01-20-2005, 11:45 AM

Man, there are some pathetic people in this world and more than a couple of them have posted in this thread.

cptodd

01-20-2005, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by DLiquid
Why would someone close to her purposefully misspell her name in Google?

:D :D :p :p :p :D :D

WOW! I am glad to know it was misspelled. I was a bit shocked to see that we were the 4th site. (And not necessarily because she would see it but just a bit shocked that this little discussion ranked 4th on google.)

DevdogAZ

01-20-2005, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by DLiquid
Why would someone close to her purposefully misspell her name in Google?
Exactly. The reason this thread came up so early is because her name is misspelled in the thread title. Try your experiment again with the spelling "Remini" and see where this thread ranks.

daperlman

01-20-2005, 11:50 AM

We are 1st when searching
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Leah+Remini+fat
Leah Remini fat

DevdogAZ

01-20-2005, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by cptodd
And perhaps my wonder is why everyone is not taking it personally.
I think that is one of the problems that plagues this politically-correct society. Too many people take too many things personally. Everyone thinks they should be offended by statements that were not directed at them. I am glad to see there are many in this thread that are able to seperate the remarks about someone in the public eye from their personal feelings about themselves, their mothers, and their bodies. I wish everyone else would take a more detached view of the world and step back a little before automatically getting defensive about something you have no stake in.

DevdogAZ

01-20-2005, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by daperlman
We are 1st when searching
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...Leah+Remini+fat
Leah Remini fat
Wow, interesting. I'm surprised one of the tabloids didn't come up before us.

cptodd

01-20-2005, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by devdogaz
I wish everyone else would take a more detached view of the world and step back a little before automatically getting defensive about something you have no stake in.

I live in the world! I do have a stake in this! Perhaps if more people took the attitude that I do we would not have as much suffering and tragedy in this world!

EDITED TO ADD:

Politically correct my ass! Some folks just simply want to indulge in the ability to say and do whatever the hell suits them and expect that no one will call them on that privilege! You are out of luck with me my friend! Perhaps we should then go back to the good old days when black people were niggers, women were wenches and Jews were kikes (please insert your own example--fags, waps (sp?) papists, etc) all without those niggers, wenches and kikes being able to say or do a thing about it? Believe it or not these sorts of things CAN AND DO have consequences. Radicalized slavery (though this is not such a good example because the relationship between slavery and 'race' equivalent if not reversed), gas chambers, Mathew Sheppard, etc.

YCantAngieRead

01-20-2005, 12:00 PM

It's like I never posted to this thread at all. Oh well. I hope it dies. And soon.

DevdogAZ

01-20-2005, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by cptodd
I live in the world! I do have a stake in this! Perhaps if more people took the attitude that I do we would not have as much suffering and tragedy in this world!
You have a stake in whether Leah Remini is considered fat by a bunch of losers on an internet forum? Is this type of thread causing suffering and tragedy? :rolleyes:
I would take the opposite approach and say that it is people who have the attitude like yours that get up in arms about "everything" that cause a lot of the suffering. Many hurt feelings, broken families and even wars could be averted if people would take a step back and not get so defensive about what other people say.

Edit to respond to your edit:
That is simply ignorant for you to say that. If I were to call someone a word that they were offended by, why would they not be "able to say or do a thing about it?" Are you equating me stating my honest opinion about someone's weight with slavery? Please! :rolleyes:

cptodd

01-20-2005, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by devdogaz
You have a stake in whether Leah Remini is considered fat by a bunch of losers on an internet forum? Is this type of thread causing suffering and tragedy? :rolleyes:
I would take the opposite approach and say that it is people who have the attitude like yours that get up in arms about "everything" that cause a lot of the suffering. Many hurt feelings, broken families and even wars could be averted if people would take a step back and not get so defensive about what other people say.

I edited my last comment. Please read. That will be the last comment I make on this subject. Thank you much!

YCantAngieRead

01-20-2005, 12:06 PM

Okay, I lied to myself. I am going to respond. Here's why making fun of Leah Remini is, even though she's famous, will never read this forum, and puts herself out there for this kind of thing can be hurtful.

I'm bigger than Leah Remini. Down to my smallest weight, I'd be Jayne Mansfield. I would never be a skinny person.

Put me in this forum ten, or even five years ago, I would have felt totally and completely undone by this thread. I probably would have considered doing something drastic because here are six pages of people saying I'll never be attractive.

Now, while it still bothers me, I can say "I'm better off without you guys." But there are some who can't.

And maybe someone will understand that.

Agatha Mystery

01-20-2005, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
It's like I never posted to this thread at all. Oh well. I hope it dies. And soon.
Apparently, people take this stuff way too seriously. I ended up getting a 3 day suspensioin for calling some guy superficial and an idiot. I didn't really consider that "name calling", but apparently, someone did, so I was gone.

I guess we can't debate anything that might possibly cause someone hurt feelings (even if they responded negatively as well). People need to grow up.

DLiquid

01-20-2005, 12:13 PM

Doesn't anyone find it ironic that people are so offended by the crude comments in this thread, when the TV show we are discussing makes heavy use of fat jokes? If I understand some of you correctly, you would think Carrie's (Leah's character) constant fat jokes about Doug are a form of verbal abuse, not only to the Doug character but to all people in the world who are struggling with their weight and self image. I'd think you'd be more offended that so many millions of people find this show funny, rather than by the few insensitive comments made here.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Okay, I lied to myself. I am going to respond. Here's why making fun of Leah Remini is, even though she's famous, will never read this forum, and puts herself out there for this kind of thing can be hurtful.

I'm bigger than Leah Remini. Down to my smallest weight, I'd be Jayne Mansfield. I would never be a skinny person.

Put me in this forum ten, or even five years ago, I would have felt totally and completely undone by this thread. I probably would have considered doing something drastic because here are six pages of people saying I'll never be attractive.

Now, while it still bothers me, I can say "I'm better off without you guys." But there are some who can't.

And maybe someone will understand that.

No offense....but perhaps the interent is not the place for you then.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by DLiquid
Doesn't anyone find it ironic that people are so offended by the crude comments in this thread, when the TV show we are discussing makes heavy use of fat jokes? If I understand some of you correctly, you would think Carrie's (Leah's character) constant fat jokes about Doug are a form of verbal abuse, not only to the Doug character but to all people in the world who are struggling with their weight and self image. I'd think you'd be more offended that so many millions of people find this show funny, rather than by the few insensitive comments made here.

Ironic indeed....how many fat jokes did she make last night? Poor Doug!

rberry88

01-20-2005, 12:41 PM

We all live in a Yellow Submarine....We all live in a Yellow Submarine

Come on, sing along.... We all...

Oh well. I like the show last night but it could have been better.

DougF

01-20-2005, 01:02 PM

I recorded this last night and watched just long enough to see how she looks now. Some of you people must be on something. I saw someone heavier than they used to be, but certainly not fat and disgusting.

I really don't care either way, although my posting in this thread would seem to indicate otherwise. My only point was and still is, that losing weight after having a baby is not as easy as some people seem to be saying it should be.

YCantAngieRead

01-20-2005, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by pmyers
No offense....but perhaps the interent is not the place for you then.
No, the world is not the place for me. The internet is just a small reflection of what a person goes through when they are overweight.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 01:04 PM

I think the funniest thing about this thread is that the OP has only made 2 post in this entire thread: The original post and another to say "wow, I can't believe I'm the one who started this thread".

DLiquid

01-20-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by DougF
I recorded this last night and watched just long enough to see how she looks now. Some of you people must be on something. I saw someone heavier than they used to be, but certainly not fat and disgusting.I don't think she's disgusting in the least, but I wanted to point out that they do a pretty good job of hiding her weight gain with all of the baggy sweatshirts and coats they're dressing her in. They don't want you to notice.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
No, the world is not the place for me. The internet is just a small reflection of what a person goes through when they are overweight.

While I know hardly anything about you and am not about to get involved in any kind of "intervention" dialogue, I will just say that I have always enjoyed your posts regarding JS.

We can agree to disagree that the very premise of the show is hot chick with fat husband.

YCantAngieRead

01-20-2005, 01:09 PM

Which is why I don't watch the show any more. Any fat jokes-regardless of who they're directed towards, get very old after one or two.

SparkleMotion

01-20-2005, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by cptodd
I live in the world! I do have a stake in this! Perhaps if more people took the attitude that I do we would not have as much suffering and tragedy in this world! Wow. I mean, just...wow.

I'm just glad to know you don't have a skewed perception of your place in reality. It would be too bad if you were sanctimonious and overly judgmental of others...in fact, it would be almost as bad as people who think someone who gained weight was "fat" or not.

:rolleyes:

Someone seriously needs to get over themself.

pmyers

01-20-2005, 01:16 PM

please be careful not to make personnel insults at each other or else we won't be able to talk about anything here.

alpacaboy

01-20-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
It's like I never posted to this thread at all. Oh well. I hope it dies. And soon.
Yes. Thank you. Amen.

I know I'm guilty of adding to this thread and keeping it alive by posting this now, but Oh. My. Gawd. I think this thread is lasting longer (wall clock, not number of pages) than any Lost thread and all-but-one Joe Schmoe thread. While that's just pretty darned impressive, Die, thread, die!

keirgrey

01-20-2005, 01:25 PM

If my comment offended anyone, I'm most sincerely sorry.

DLiquid

01-20-2005, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by alpacaboy
Yes. Thank you. Amen.

I know I'm guilty of adding to this thread and keeping it alive by posting this now, but Oh. My. Gawd. I think this thread is lasting longer (wall clock, not number of pages) than any Lost thread and all-but-one Joe Schmoe thread. While that's just pretty darned impressive, Die, thread, die! It's only been a week, that's not very long at all. I've been enjoying the debate, since we rarely get controversial threads in TV Show Talk, but I hope no one has actually gotten their feelings hurt.

LlamaLarry

01-20-2005, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Tabitha573
...snip... Many, many overweight men are just downright sexy -- how many men can say the same for overweight women?
I've been meaning to throw in one of my answers here, but worried that it will be met with a flurry of "You bastard, no way is she 'overweight'!" coupled with "You are one sick llama dude, she is as big as a tent!" ;) In any event, the peep show lady/Stumpy's wife on "Carnivale" is pretty darn sexy to me. "Sexy" has a v e r y loose correlation with "physically attractive".

BTW, I have to hope that Elizabeth Hurley's posted stats of 5'9"/125# are incorrect... I am 5'9"/160# (5 more than I would prefer) but I weighed ~142# through HS and college, 29" waist and was pretty darned lean. If you needed me to get down to 125 I would have had to cut off a limb.

Kind of on the original topic, KoQ is not alone in posts noting the weight gain of a principle female character, CSI: Miami's Emily Procter for example. Hey, did anyone else think that Patricia Arquette looked pregnant in the most recent "Medium"? :)

DougF

01-20-2005, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by LlamaLarry
...BTW, I have to hope that Elizabeth Hurley's posted stats of 5'9"/125# are incorrect...

I don't care what Liz's posted stats are, she's still at #1 on my top five list!

DLiquid

01-20-2005, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by LlamaLarry
In any event, the peep show lady/Stumpy's wife on "Carnivale" is pretty darn sexy to me.OMG, I must be a sick llama too, because I was almost going to post the same thing earlier in the thread. Rita Sue is pretty hot, IMO.

JYoung

01-20-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by DLiquid
Doesn't anyone find it ironic that people are so offended by the crude comments in this thread, when the TV show we are discussing makes heavy use of fat jokes? If I understand some of you correctly, you would think Carrie's (Leah's character) constant fat jokes about Doug are a form of verbal abuse, not only to the Doug character but to all people in the world who are struggling with their weight and self image. I'd think you'd be more offended that so many millions of people find this show funny, rather than by the few insensitive comments made here.

That's because it's directed at a man and therefore gets a pass.

No double standard there.....

YCantAngieRead

01-20-2005, 01:42 PM

Once again, I find all the fat jokes-directed towards Kevin James, or Calista Flockhart or whom the hell ever, offensive. So I'm at least one.

I think this thread has proven who is laughing at it and who is not.

Supfreak26

01-20-2005, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by cptodd
And perhaps my wonder is why everyone is not taking it personally. For the record I am not taking it personally. I just find the whole thing crass, juvenile, puerile and solipsistic. AND I am calling folks on it!

I also don't care if you are fat or not. I am glad that you have chosen to work on your weight but i don't think that your masochistic tendencies should be used as the template for healthy weight management.

Hmm... I was confused by your usage of the word "masochistic" in this case so I had to look it up:

mas·och·ism

1. The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.

Well this certainly doesn't apply.

2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.

Ditto here. I got no pleasure out of being called fat. I just got sick of hearing it so I decided to do something about it.

3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

Again. This doesn't apply to my reasons for wanting to lose weight either.

Grab a dictionary before you start throwing insults.

The only reason I brought up my "fat" story was just to describe how I handled the situation that everyone is crying about. I try to be optimistic and turn negativity into positivity. If that's even a word. :) I would suggest others try the same. As our favorite woman inmate would say, "it's a good thing."

I don't expect the world to sanitize itself for me just so I'm not offended and I certainly don't try and censor anyone's opinion. If you notice in this thread, it's the PC police people that are name-calling and being very rude to the others that are just stating their opinions on a TV STAR.

I think someone already said it but "Get over yourself."