TiVoToGo protocol and Info (or how to get stuff of the tivo w/o tivo desktop)

[WoodyL]

Just curious, but I noticed that when I put put a reference to my Tivo's IP address in my hosts files and used that address, I was unable to use the web download function, but it works ok if I explicitly use the IP address. Is there a reason for this? For example, this works:

http://192.168.123.2:80/download/Citizen%20Kane.TiVo?Container=%2FNowPlaying&id=1529292

but this doesn't work:

http://tivo_bob:80/download/Citizen%20Kane.TiVo?Container=%2FNowPlaying&id=1529292

Does the second version need some different coding?

[startblazer]

Try using secure (add the s) and droping the :80 (sorry I can't type it out the BBS says I'm not allowed yet)

I've had no problems referncing the tivo box this way.

[bitTraveler]

I found another 7.1a TiVo web page ("Your TiVo Home Page"), but it seems to be partially disabled. Hopefully, we'll see the log file links activated in a future release. It would be great to have the chance to detect failing hardware.

I really like the new direction TiVo seems to be going with the web server and HME development. Keep it coming! :)

Your TiVo Home Page
https://tivoip//index.html

*Don't forget the second double forward slashes and the "s" on http.

bit

[ThreeSoFar]

This one has XML-ized now playing list. Sweet!

https://your-tivo-ip/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying

I found another 7.1a TiVo web page ("Your TiVo Home Page"), but it seems to be partially disabled. Hopefully, we'll see the log file links activated in a future release. It would be great to have the chance to detect failing hardware.

I really like the new direction TiVo seems to be going with the web server and HME development. Keep it coming! :)

Your TiVo Home Page
https://tivoip//index.html

*Don't forget the second double forward slashes and the "s" on http.

bit

[gonzotek]

I found another 7.1a TiVo web page ("Your TiVo Home Page"), but it seems to be partially disabled. Hopefully, we'll see the log file links activated in a future release. It would be great to have the chance to detect failing hardware.
I really like the new direction TiVo seems to be going with the web server and HME development. Keep it coming! :)
Your TiVo Home Page
https://tivoip//index.html
*Don't forget the second double forward slashes and the "s" on http.
bit
Ugh....that would have helped me a lot when I was writing the php class and working out from scratch that this is a damn calypso protocol server. :) Oh well. Hindsight is 20/20.


Hmmm....I wonder if there's a debug-enabling backdoor code to turn those links into working resources.

[ThreeSoFar]

I tried an e-mail to the @tivo.com address on that page, but it bounced. My guess is it's a strictly internal e-mail address.

[rworne]

Can anyone answer this:

I am accessing TT2G via my web browser and I have parental controls enabled. It pops up a password screen and I tried the following:

tivo
PCP = parental control password

tivo
MAK

MAK
PCP

PCP
MAK

MAK only (in user field and password field)

PCP only (in user field and password field)

What's the magic formula?

[danieljanderson]

Disable parental controls (For restricted shows)
Not a problem for kiddie shows

tivo
MAK

[cejay]

The XML output page looks interesting, but hard to read.
What exactly is the XML outputted now playing page good for?
Can i be presented in a nice layout in a different browser?
My internet explorer shows it in a directory type tree look..
Maybe I am viewing it wrong?
thanks
cj

[rworne]

Disable parental controls (For restricted shows)
Not a problem for kiddie shows

tivo
MAK

Oh I can get to the main screens just fine. the password screen pops up when I want to downoad.

This new screen refuses to do anything no matter what I type in. I just posted here because someone might be more clever than me.

EDIT:
Oh, nevermind. I just tried it with the TiVo desktop and it fails too. Can't have parental controls and TT2G apparently. Nice one.

[rog]

The XML output page looks interesting, but hard to read.
What exactly is the XML outputted now playing page good for?
Can i be presented in a nice layout in a different browser?
My internet explorer shows it in a directory type tree look..
Maybe I am viewing it wrong?
thanks
cj

Yep, it's just raw XML, so it isn't going to look pretty in a browser. You'd need to add a style sheet or schema or such to make it look nice. It would be easy to do. You should check out the book "Learning XML" (O'Reilly). I just picked it up at the library and am going to play around with the HME a bit. I need to dust off the ol' Java books as well.

[ThreeSoFar]

And I'm sure someone will post some useful schema with an easy howto on how to use it.

(hint hint)

[maiknyc]

And I'm sure someone will post some useful schema with an easy howto on how to use it.

(hint hint)

Let me ask you - is this just to get the shows off your TIVO? Cause when I go to https://<my tivo ip>/nowplaying/index.html there IS a list of all the shows - BUT they all have a handy little "download" link on the right side which then lets me download the show as if it were a file.

Is this different for you guys? Or am I just not understanding this thread correctly?

[ThreeSoFar]

no that's the case.

But the xml output at https://ip//index.html (note extra slash) could be useful to re-format the output (similar to what you're seeing on the web page) into some other format you prefer.

[rworne]

Working with TT2G showed one of my recordings with a message that said something like "Download not permitted by content provider" with a red "X" next to the listing.

Funny thing was, it was on a 3 second recording on my "Now Playing list". After the 3 second version, was the rest of the recording in another entry. It was downloadable.

Anyone else seeing the message stating contents are not downloadable? Perhaps I should record some stuff of of HBO.

[davezatz]

Working with TT2G showed one of my recordings with a message that said something like "Download not permitted by content provider" with a red "X" next to the listing.
Man that was quick... I thought it would be months or longer before 'they' forced Tivo into shackling any content to the Tivo unit.

[Gnoswal]

Ok...noob question here...

But what is the actual address to access the tivo from outside your local network? (I have ports forwarded already)

I'd love to be able to view my own shows from on the road. :)

<<PS... Just read that the software ver 7.1 supports USB 2.0 the Tivos that have the hardware and that a list of compatible 'G' USB adapters will be published in a week or so! >>

[ThreeSoFar]

Ok...noob question here...

But what is the actual address to access the tivo from outside your local network? (I have ports forwarded already)

I'd love to be able to view my own shows from on the road. :)

<<PS... Just read that the software ver 7.1 supports USB 2.0 the Tivos that have the hardware and that a list of compatible 'G' USB adapters will be published in a week or so! >>
Transfers that way will likely be really slow.

You need to know your router's external IP address. Do a google on "dynamic DNS".

They don't change that often, so you can check from home by looking at your router's configuration (usually via a browser pointed at the router) to find it.

[Gnoswal]

Transfers that way will likely be really slow.

You need to know your router's external IP address. Do a google on "dynamic DNS".

They don't change that often, so you can check from home by looking at your router's configuration (usually via a browser pointed at the router) to find it.


Thanks for the reply Three...

I know my external IP...what I'm looking for is the syntax of the actual address..

such as httb://<my external ip>...<then what?>

Do I need the port?...my tivo's local ip?

Again for the quick reply :)

And yea.... I know it would be slow..but just to have the ability...

[rog]

Thanks for the reply Three...

I know my external IP...what I'm looking for is the syntax of the actual address..

such as httb://<my external ip>...<then what?>

Do I need the port?...my tivo's local ip?

Again for the quick reply :)

And yea.... I know it would be slow..but just to have the ability...

dude, read the thread! jeez...

[hint: read the first post ;)]

[Gnoswal]

I did..thought it was only for access locally...

But I got...thx

Like I said...noob question..

[lglenn73]

I've got a question. Isn't creating a web server like this going to enable Internet File Sharing on people with Static IP's?

I believe SonicBlue got sued for allowing this on their ReplayTVs (which doesn't have encrypted codec problems like T2G, BTW).

The only reason I bought a ReplayTV was to download MPEGs off my PVR. When I heard that TTG was released, I thought about going back to Tivo. But not with this encryption crap. And not with paying an additional $50.

Replay gave me this functionality for free and we also have DVArchive to facilitate downloading/scheduling without a remote. If Tivo allowed for this, I would come back in a heartbeat.

One thing I can say for Tivo is at least they stopped charging people $99 for Home Media Option. Now, stop charging for TTG!

Lauren

[davezatz]

I've got a question. Isn't creating a web server like this going to enable Internet File Sharing on people with Static IP's?

Tivo limits transfers to same subnet for exactly that reason. Of course it can be bypassed, but as designed Tivo I think has tried to protect themselves legally.

I agree DVArchive is great and has offered easy and clean transfers for years. We had to dump ReplayTV in my household because there was too much of a lag when changing channels for my girlfriend (fiance now) to tolerate. ReplayTV is a smaller target with less name recognition, which is why they've been able to keep their stuff as open as they have, though they did axe commercial skip.

[hawk4hire]

lglenn - Tivo isnt charging for T2G - You can xfer files from yr Tivo to yr PC anytime you want - for free.
If you want to write them to a DVD - you either pay $$$ or figure another way around it.

But Tivo has not charged for this update - Yet.

hawk

[ashu]

In addition, NO ONE can download your files from your TiVo "Web Server" without knowing your private, secret MAK (Media Access Key). And the instructions and all the fine print as well as some BOLD print warn against sharing this MAK. So you would do so at your own risk, and TiVo wouldn't be liable for any ensuing copyright infringements!

DVArchive is a 3rd Party application, not from ReplayTV. And in case you didn't notice, Commercial Advance and some other cool features that Replay/Sonic decided to be brave (but unwise) about were the reason they went bankrupt and were acquired, then dumped again (I think Marantz recently dumped them, right?) I'm not saying I'm happy about that. Heck, I wish they would have survived, and that TiVo would offer some of those cool 'feautures' - but that can't LEGALLY be done. Duh.

And TTG and HMO ARE free.

[Stevehweb]

After salivating the possibilities reading this thread from the start, I eagerly attempted to connect to my tivo's web server... but all I get is a refused connection.

Tried variations of the url with and without the 's' and single or double slashes, including all of the other url's listed in this thread - no juice.

I can ping the box just fine and the desktop s/w connects to the box fine, just no go on the web server.

I have a theory... my home network is in the 192.168.128 subnet. Perhaps tivo, in their quest to ensure only local access restricted ip's to those in the 255.255.255.0 mask?

Anyone able to refute or confirm that the higher subnet may be the issue (before I go through the huge effort of reassigning all the devices on my network)?

Thanks!

-Steve.

[Amnesia]

You are running 7.1x, right?

[Stevehweb]

You are running 7.1x, right?

Yep, running 7.1

[thehand]

I've got a question. Isn't creating a web server like this going to enable Internet File Sharing on people with Static IP's?

I believe SonicBlue got sued for allowing this on their ReplayTVs (which doesn't have encrypted codec problems like T2G, BTW).

The only reason I bought a ReplayTV was to download MPEGs off my PVR. When I heard that TTG was released, I thought about going back to Tivo. But not with this encryption crap. And not with paying an additional $50.

Replay gave me this functionality for free and we also have DVArchive to facilitate downloading/scheduling without a remote. If Tivo allowed for this, I would come back in a heartbeat.

One thing I can say for Tivo is at least they stopped charging people $99 for Home Media Option. Now, stop charging for TTG!

Lauren

I 've been thinking about going to Replay. Is there anything that Tivo has that Replay doesn't?

[juanian]

I noticed that the xml from https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying is fed in the 'grouped' format, so it doesn't show all shows. Is there a different URL that lists all of the shows?

Juan

[bitTraveler]

I noticed that the xml from https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying is fed in the 'grouped' format, so it doesn't show all shows. Is there a different URL that lists all of the shows?

Juan

Hadn't thought to try it before, but this seems to do it....

https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&Recurse=Yes


bit

[ThreeSoFar]

This seems to work. The HTML pages had this in them, and I tried it on the XML links ant it also works. (adding a "&Recurse=Yes" to the end of the existing URL)

https://192.168.0.4/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&Recurse=Yes

[morac]

Just a warning about using the "&Recurse=Yes" option.

If your TiVo has a lot of shows on it, all the shows may not be returned when that option is used. The more shows the TiVo has to put in the XML file the longer it seems to take. There seems to be a maximum amount of time that the TiVo will spend building the XML file and if it takes longer than this amount of time the TiVo will just return what it has built up until that point.

As an example, my TiVo has around 196 shows on it. If I use the "&Recurse=Yes" option, only 128 shows will be returned. This is why the TiVo Desktop software only retrieves 50 shows at a time.


Also for some reason, the "Classic view" webpage on my TiVo never loads. I have no idea why that is, but that uses the "&Recurse=Yes" options as well.

[jasonp019]

Finally! I should have checked for this info a *long* time ago.

Now I can get everything I need without having to rely on an unstable windows-based OS. I am ecstatic! Now I just need to get a working 802.11g adapter or make my own ethernet drop behind my TiVo and I'll be happy as a clam. :-)

[novis]

I've just recently gotten a new series 2 and while I could access the webserver, and could not get the password MAK to work. When I use user "tivo" and for the password my TivoToGo Media key I got through...

[ashu]

MAK = Media Access Key

HTH (Hope That Helps)

[bjones9942]

For those having problems accessing the web pages, but not other functions (ping, network connections, ...) - did you set the 'allow transfers' flag for your machine on the tivo website?

[bitTraveler]

Just a warning about using the "&Recurse=Yes" option.

If your TiVo has a lot of shows on it, all the shows may not be returned when that option is used. The more shows the TiVo has to put in the XML file the longer it seems to take. There seems to be a maximum amount of time that the TiVo will spend building the XML file and if it takes longer than this amount of time the TiVo will just return what it has built up until that point.

As an example, my TiVo has around 196 shows on it. If I use the "&Recurse=Yes" option, only 128 shows will be returned. This is why the TiVo Desktop software only retrieves 50 shows at a time.


Also for some reason, the "Classic view" webpage on my TiVo never loads. I have no idea why that is, but that uses the "&Recurse=Yes" options as well.

Ahh, My TiVo HD is too small(stock 60GB) to see this limitation. Sorry if it's stating the obvious (I'm not a developer.), but it seems you can run multiple recurse "on" calls with anchoroffsets and count limitations. Something like this...

<First 50 programs>
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&ItemCount=50&Recurse=Yes

Followed by...

<Programs 51 to 100>
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&ItemCount=50&AnchorOffset=50&Recurse=Yes

Etc... From your description, it sounds like that's what TiVo Desktop does? Or you could do it in chunks of 100, if that seems safe enough.

bit

[gonzotek]

Ahh, My TiVo HD is too small(stock 60GB) to see this limitation. Sorry if it's stating the obvious (I'm not a developer.), but it seems you can run multiple recurse "on" calls with anchoroffsets and count limitations. Something like this...

<First 50 programs>
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&ItemCount=50&Recurse=Yes

Followed by...

<Programs 51 to 100>
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&ItemCount=50&AnchorOffset=50&Recurse=Yes

Etc... From your description, it sounds like that's what TiVo Desktop does? Or you could do it in chunks of 100, if that seems safe enough.

bit
Yes, that's how it would be done. Morac posted something about that in one of the php threads, but it's buried in the middle of the thread somewhere. I'm working his various suggestions into the improvements I've made to the main parsing code, along with some new ways to pull the xml down (curl/libcurl vs. wget).

[rad1701]

Ahh you're right. Didn't think of that.

Go to

https://<tivo ip>/nowplaying/index.html

using user: tivo
pass: <MAK>

It gives u a nice web interface to every show on your Tivo!!!!

:)

Also, like your TiVo box, you can choose classic (sort by record time) or folders view.

At the bottom, there is a warning message

This doesn't seem to be owrking for me. I used TIVO as the user name and my MAK as the Password but it won't let me in. I am trying this from a PC that does have the TIVO desktop software installed. And I have transferred a couple programs using it. But I can't seem to get the direct web interface to work. Any suggestions?


LOL.....ignore most of the above. I was entering my play TIVO recordings password and not my MAK. I got in now with "TIVO" and my MAK.....cool!! :)

[Stevehweb]

For those having problems accessing the web pages, but not other functions (ping, network connections, ...) - did you set the 'allow transfers' flag for your machine on the tivo website?

Thanks for your reply BJ, but nope, the 'allow transfers' flag is not the problem - in my case anyway.

I think I'm resigned to the fact that I'm going to have to do some subnet remapping.

:(

[dshinnick]

I just transferred a show over to my PC using the web browser. As it copied over, it showed that it was a .tivo file. After it finished I looked at its properties and it said that it was an Mpeg. I double-clicked it and it played in WMP10. I have the Sonic codec and Tivo Desktop installed. It surprised me that it played, seemingly, outside of the Tivo Desktop software, though I may be wrong.

Dave S.

[jasonp019]

OK. Well, so far I am not very impressed and am quite jealous of those who have been able to play/convert their .tivo files. :-)

I had absolutely ZERO luck downloading files from my TiVo using the TiVo Desktop 2.0 software. Stupid software kept locking up and I kept having to kill it and reboot...to no avail. So, I got impatient and downloaded several .tivo files using the web interface. Now, they won't play. When WMP loads the file and asks for my MAK, I faithfully type it in straight from the TiVo's screen which shows it to me. WMP declares that that is not the right MAK, yet that's the MAK used to download it through the web interface!

Can anyone help?

Thanks!

--jasonp019

[CrispyCritter]

I had absolutely ZERO luck downloading files from my TiVo using the TiVo Desktop 2.0 software. Stupid software kept locking up and I kept having to kill it and reboot...to no avail. So, I got impatient and downloaded several .tivo files using the web interface. Now, they won't play. When WMP loads the file and asks for my MAK, I faithfully type it in straight from the TiVo's screen which shows it to me. WMP declares that that is not the right MAK, yet that's the MAK used to download it through the web interface!

But WMP does not ask for the MAK! It asks for the password, which is a separate bit of info that you set yourself when you installed TiVo Desktop. (The password, not the MAK, is also what the TiVo Desktop asks for.) Reset the password in TiVo Desktop (look under the "File" pulldown).

[rlcarr]

You don't type the MAK when you go to play the file. You type in the password you created when you installed TiVo Desktop 2.0. Behind the scenes the install mapped the password to the MAK.

[jasonp019]

Hrm. I suppose uninstalling TiVo Desktop didn't help then, eh? :-) I said to myself, "TiVo Desktop doesn't work for pulling the files from the unit, but I can do it over the web. Who needs TiVo Desktop? I'll remove it to save drive space."

Silly me. Does anyone else need further proof that DRM is useless and only serves to harm the law-abiding users? Sheesh.

Thanks for the help. I'm about to reinstall TD2.

--jasonp019

[jasonp019]

Welp, reinstalling it and setting the password worked like a charm.

Thanks!

--jasonp019

[Brish]

Hi all

Just got the tivo files to list on my compooter, and it works fast (500mps wired) but will only transfer 3.99 gigs and then stops!

If it is a smaller file, it works great using win XP file downloads.

There was an issue with nVidia but I am not that good with compooters...

/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=225406

Please help - I don't want to be stuck with only a 1 hour show....

[jaymst]

I am having the same problem..I posted this earlier on another thread....

I have a tivo 240 and a wired network with 3 computers (2 laps & 1 desktop) I am trying to transfer a 2 hour ppv which is 5.14 gigs to the D drive on the desktop (which I use to store all my mp3's & photo's). Every way I try it always stops at 3.99 gigs. When I use ttg it stops at 77% and when I use the other method (url) it stops at the 3.99 gigs transferred. I have done this from my XP laptop using ttg and url and I have also initiated from the desktop using the url method. The desktop is Win ME so I can't use ttg desktop to transfer. Any ideas....I really want a dvd of this ppv. I have transfered another show that was 3.56 gigs without a problem. Go figure????

[BobcatASL]

What is your operating system ... and what is the filesystem on the D drive ?

[CrispyCritter]

Hi all

Just got the tivo files to list on my compooter, and it works fast (500mps wired) but will only transfer 3.99 gigs and then stops!

If it is a smaller file, it works great using win XP file downloads.

There was an issue with nVidia but I am not that good with compooters...
Two often seen reasons for stopping at 3.99 GBytes:
1. Downloading via browser; many browsers have a 32 bit limit (4 GByte)
2. Downloading to a FAT32 filesystem (max 4 GBytes, even under XP). You have to convert (easy) to a NTFS file system. Click on the disk in "My Computer" to find the filesystem type.

[davezatz]

Two often seen reasons for stopping at 3.99 GBytes:
1. Downloading via browser; many browsers have a 32 bit limit (4 GByte)
2. Downloading to a FAT32 filesystem (max 4 GBytes, even under XP). You have to convert (easy) to a NTFS file system. Click on the disk in "My Computer" to find the filesystem type.

Good stuff. I wish Tivo would syphon info on these boards, (IPV4, file size, k-lite, etc) and improve their TTG FAQ to address these issues and/or even make a comprehensive manual. Not everyone who wants to use TTG is adept with PC networking, codecs, etc. Heck I consider myself adept, but would have never ever come up with the broken packet solution - sheesh!

FYI CuteFTP supports HTTPS.

[jaymst]

My operating sytem on the desktop is Windows ME and I am using Internet Explorer as the browser. The file system is Fat 32. Is there a downside to switching to NTSC on the file system. I am reluctant to make this change. The browser idea sounds better. should I use Firefox?

[tchwojko]

Sorry - forgot to mention I tried many different combinations of MAK, playback password, parental control password, and "tivo". Can't seem to find one that works.

I got it to work by tacking on the parental control code after the MAK. But that only worked by using the browser. I never get the option to put in the parental control password using Tivo Desktop.

[Kracko]

My operating sytem on the desktop is Windows ME and I am using Internet Explorer as the browser. The file system is Fat 32. Is there a downside to switching to NTSC on the file system. I am reluctant to make this change. The browser idea sounds better. should I use Firefox?

NTSC? I think you mean NTFS. You can't install NTFS on Windows ME. NTFS is only available for Windows NT, 2000 or XP.

[jaymst]

So I can't change the file system...so is there no way to copy a file larger than the 4 gig limit?

[Kracko]

The only way would be to upgrade to Windows 2000 or XP and convert your hard disk's file system to NTFS (easy to do).

[diddycj5]

rule42k states that u can convert the .tivo to a regular mpeg using TMGPEnc

. . . threadid=215842

Now we're getting somewhere...

:)

I just joined the forum and I have seen several people point to this thread, but I do not seem to have access. What is the deal? How do I get permissions to view all/this thread. Do I need to make a minimum number of posts? I cant even seem to post with the full quote with the URL to the thread.

I just just got TivoToGo yesterday and started transfering some files to my computer. I just want to be able to save off a few Episodes of my favorite show (Ed) to DVD to save them (saving to VCR doesn't cut it).

[gonzotek]

I just joined the forum and I have seen several people point to this thread, but I do not seem to have access. What is the deal? How do I get permissions to view all/this thread. Do I need to make a minimum number of posts? I cant even seem to post with the full quote with the URL to the thread.

I just just got TivoToGo yesterday and started transfering some files to my computer. I just want to be able to save off a few Episodes of my favorite show (Ed) to DVD to save them (saving to VCR doesn't cut it).
The thread was moved to an area of the forum that members can't access. Discussion of transcoding .tivo files is not allowed on this board. See here for the official announcement: Sticky: NOTICE: We do not allow for the talk of .tivo file conversion. (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=219538)

[zooeyglass]

Hi,

I received the 7 sw today and i cannot access my tivo from either tivo desktop or typing in the web server address of my tivo..any idea why? i have the MAK

[billb914]

Hi,

I received the 7 sw today and i cannot access my tivo from either tivo desktop or typing in the web server address of my tivo..any idea why? i have the MAK


go to www.tivo.com and make sure that "transfers are enabled" under "manage my account" or something like that - also reboot your tivo. I had to do that after the upgrade.

[ThAbtO]

go to www.tivo.com and make sure that "transfers are enabled" under "manage my account" or something like that - also reboot your tivo. I had to do that after the upgrade.

I did not have to reboot my tivo after getting the update 7.1a, I just need to make another connection to tivo to receive the MAK and my settings.

[menor59]

Hiyas guys.

Im running a Web site on my 192.168.1.100 Computer...and my tivo is on 192.168.1.102

how do i make this work...if my website is already on port 80 and tivo also uses post 80...Make sence :-)

Please explain or elaborate how to rectify this if you know how.

Regards,

Menor59

[xscorpion]

What is the username and password to use to use the web interface?

Tried..

Username: tivo
Password: <MAK>

it does not work. thanks.

[ThreeSoFar]

you type your Media Access Key for the password. Not "<MAK>" or "MAK" or some such.

[xscorpion]

thanks!! it works. :up:

[Rocketslc]

Hiyas guys.

Im running a Web site on my 192.168.1.100 Computer...and my tivo is on

how do i make this work...if my website is already on port 80 and tivo also uses post 80...Make sence :-)

Please explain or elaborate how to rectify this if you know how.

Regards,

Menor59

Menor59

I have had success using port 443 for my TiVos.
Remember it is a ttps

Rock

[palizzz]

darn. I get as far as pasting the show in the browser URL to download or save... then, Windows Media Player fires up and says it can't play it (one or more codecs could not be found). BUT, I've verfied I have the codec and Tivo Desktop plays programs just fine when launching shows from the Tivo Desktop software.

help?

:)

p.s. how do I set it to download vs. automatically trying to start playing after pasting the link?

e.g. <ip>/download/News%208%20at%205.TiVo?Container=%2FNowPlaying&id=947957

[menor59]

Im running a Web site on my 192.168.1.100 Computer...and my tivo is on

how do i make this work...if my website is already on port 80 and tivo also uses post 80...Make sence :-)

Please explain or elaborate how to rectify this if you know how.

Regards,

Menor59

rock https: port 443 dosent let me D/L shows outside my router...port 80 through tivo does...See my delimina

[hyachts]

So I've been trying this all afternoon and can't figure out what the story is. My router only allows for "simple" forwarding (the kind people with a stock wrt54g were alking about) but I have forwarded ports 80 and 443 to my Tivos IP. I understand that some ISPs block 80, but I should still be able to browse my Tivo using my external IP, no? I can access the web interface using my local LAN IP, but no luck using the external IP (that I retrieved with IPchicken). I'm trying to access it from within my network at the moment, but that shouldn't have any effect, should it? As an odd side note, my router reports its internet IP as 192.168.102.100 which (obviously) is not my external IP. Could this be a result of a Vonage adapter between my cable modem and my router? Any help is appreciated.

(Now that I think about it, this could be why my damned Tivo server was never available from the internet... hmmm)

[hyachts]

Never mind, that was it. I put the VoIP adapter behind the router, letting the router see the WAN ports it was supposed to be forwarding. Now if I could just figure out why my Vonage adapter can't seem to make a connection from behind the router... *sigh*

BTW, this is cool :D

[ThAbtO]

So I've been trying this all afternoon and can't figure out what the story is. My router only allows for "simple" forwarding (the kind people with a stock wrt54g were alking about) but I have forwarded ports 80 and 443 to my Tivos IP. I understand that some ISPs block 80, but I should still be able to browse my Tivo using my external IP, no? I can access the web interface using my local LAN IP, but no luck using the external IP (that I retrieved with IPchicken). I'm trying to access it from within my network at the moment, but that shouldn't have any effect, should it? As an odd side note, my router reports its internet IP as 192.168.102.100 which (obviously) is not my external IP. Could this be a result of a Vonage adapter between my cable modem and my router? Any help is appreciated.

(Now that I think about it, this could be why my damned Tivo server was never available from the internet... hmmm)

I believe the vonage should be plugged into 1 of the available ethernet ports beginning with port 1 and not between the modem and router, however, I don't think that port IP could be right, the router usually assign IP as 192.168.1.xxx...

Log into your router, 192.168.1.1 and Apps & gaming..... ports 2190 (both tcp and udp) and 8080-8089 tcp should be the ones forwarded.. And, don't forget to add these ports to XP firewall. The 8080-8089 tcp must be added individually.

[hyachts]

I believe the vonage should be plugged into 1 of the available ethernet ports beginning with port 1 and not between the modem and router, however, I don't think that port IP could be right, the router usually assign IP as 192.168.1.xxx...

Log into your router, 192.168.1.1 and Apps & gaming..... ports 2190 (both tcp and udp) and 8080-8089 tcp should be the ones forwarded.. And, don't forget to add these ports to XP firewall. The 8080-8089 tcp must be added individually.

Thanks for the response. As noted in my second post, I was able to fix the problem by moving my Vonage adapter behind the router. I had it between the modem and router initially because it is much more effective at managing call quality that way (and call quality was keeping my marriage more comfortable ;)). With higher upload bandwidth from Comcast now, I hope it will be just as good on the other side of the router. I did have to connect to my adapter to my PC to give it a static IP because it was trying to grab an IP in the wrong range for my network. Now everything is working just peachy.

BTW, I'm out of the house and getting sustained download speeds of 45-50 KB/s from my Tivo (connected to a campus network on this end). It ain't blazin', but it works.

[hyachts]

Okay, so I'm fairly certain this is getting beyond the scope of this thread and maybe this forum, but I'll give it a shot anyways. As stated above I was having trouble getting to my web interface from outside my network because I had a Motorola VoIP adapter between my cable modem and my router. I was able to fix the problem by moving the adapter behind my router, but my QoS (quality of service) went to crap because the adapter can't manage my internet traffic anymore. The Motorola adapter has the ability to forward ports, so I tried forwarding them to the router's IP and left the ports forwarded in the router as before. This did not work. Thoughts?

[Dargon]

A couple things to check:

Make sure you are forwarding from your VoIP adapter to your router's WAN IP address (I think you said it was 192.168.102.100) rather than the LAN IP address (192.168.1.1).

Check the netmasks on both sides of the router. Hopefully they will both be 255.255.255.0. If one or the other is 255.255.0.0, check to see if you can configure it to be 255.255.255.0. To configure the netmask, on the WAN side the VoIP adapter is in control and on the LAN side the router is in control.

Hope this helps,

Dargon

[danieljanderson]

Would listing the IP of your VoIP in the DMZ make it any cleaner?

[smyrna403]

Okay, so I'm fairly certain this is getting beyond the scope of this thread and maybe this forum, but I'll give it a shot anyways. As stated above I was having trouble getting to my web interface from outside my network because I had a Motorola VoIP adapter between my cable modem and my router. I was able to fix the problem by moving the adapter behind my router, but my QoS (quality of service) went to crap because the adapter can't manage my internet traffic anymore. The Motorola adapter has the ability to forward ports, so I tried forwarding them to the router's IP and left the ports forwarded in the router as before. This did not work. Thoughts?

What type of router do you have? reason i ask is i had vonage and this problem before my job got me a t-1 with 2 line VoIP. i had a linksys and you could set the QOS in the linksys to certian ip addresses. otherwise you will have to NAT NAT if that makes sence. if you do want to do it that way i can round up an old vonage box in a day or 2 and test the setup!

[hyachts]

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I talked to Vonage about this and their answer was that the vt1000 is flaky with port forwarding so they're sending me the Linksys router w/ adapter. It's not wireless, but I assume that I can put my router behind the adapter and configure the port forwarding through the two devices. We shall see.

In the meantime, however, I think I've confirmed that the port forwarding on the Motorola adapter is crap. I moved the LAN (PC) output of the adapter from the WAN port on the router to one of the PC ports (effectively making it a switch, I think). All my computers/devices got IP's on the IP range corresponding to the adapter, and I can access the adapters web interface page so it's clear that the adapter is doing the addressing and functioning as the router. I configured port forwarding in the adapter to the Tivo and got no joy. I suppose this still could be a result of the router mucking things up, but to me it indicates that the adapter isn't doing its job. I suppose I could try some other things, but I'm inclined to just wait for the new adapter.

[hyachts]

Furthermore, I checked (under this router-as-switch configuration) and saw that the subnet mask in the adapter was 255.255.252.0 The only way to configure it in the adapter is to set a static IP, which I did (set the IP and gateway to the IPs the adapter was automatically getting from the modem), and reconfigured the subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 to match the IP configuration of my attached devices. That made me lose all internet connectivity. Now that I think about it I suppose I could try setting the subnet masks on my Tivo and computers to match the one the adapter is getting automatically. (edit: tried this, setting the Tivo to the adapters subnet mask, no love)

I apologize for cluttering this thread with my thinking aloud, but I'm learning a lot, and hoping to learn more as people more experienced than I offer advice.

[bigair]

Let's get back on track with this thread...

Is the Tivo web interface still functioning? I was previously able to see my "now playing" recordings, but now I am unable to get anything other than "The page cannot be displayed" using the following:

**<tivo ip>/nowplaying/index.html**

I was previously able to download show via the internet from my Tivo. Has anything changed or is it a connection problem to my Tivo?

[danieljanderson]

Are you putting https:// at the begining?

[jazzy_james]

Let's get back on track with this thread...

Is the Tivo web interface still functioning? I was previously able to see my "now playing" recordings, but now I am unable to get anything other than "The page cannot be displayed" using the following:

**<tivo ip>/nowplaying/index.html**

I was previously able to download show via the internet from my Tivo. Has anything changed or is it a connection problem to my Tivo?

I faced the same problem. I was previously (last time I tried was a couple of weeks ago) able to access my "now playing" website but now I can't. Since the last time I accessed this website, I received the 7.01a update. Did this turn off this website feature???

[AnteL0pe]

Nope website feature still works for me. In fact, now if i just put in https://<tivo ip> it will auto forward me to https://<tivo ip>/nowplaying/

[ThAbtO]

Nope website feature still works for me. In fact, now if i just put in https://<tivo ip> it will auto forward me to https://<tivo ip>/nowplaying/

Note the "<tivo ip>" must be replaced by the ip address on the tivo.

[bigair]

Yes, I did format the address correctly. I was not allowed to post my thread with the h ** p s included.

Maybe my IP changed??
Any ideas?

BigAir

[ThAbtO]

Yes, I did format the address correctly. I was not allowed to post my thread with the h ** p s included.

Maybe my IP changed??
Any ideas?

BigAir


Look into the tivo, messages & setup / settings / phone & network

For example: my tivo address is https://192.168.1.102/nowplaying/index.html

At this moment, I am downloading a show, tivo is on a 801.11b, to the laptop on a 802.11g at 175k/s.

[ThreeSoFar]

Do you have port forwarding set up on a router to have external requests hit the TiVO? If so, maybe the router has a new external IP?

[startblazer]

I've been following this thread have been able to do everything on it (the web server, the nero stuff, even some of those things of which we are not allowed to speak ... but let me watch my shows on my linux laptop). However the transfer rate from my TiVo is disappointing. :(

My original config used 10MB wireless on TiVo and took an average of:
-- 1.5hrs to transfer .5hrs of show to an XP box with a 100MB wired connection
-- 1.25hrs to my 2003 box with a 10MB wired connection (old machine)
-- 1.25 hrs to my wireless Linux box with 10MB connection
Using the TiVo web server or the TiVo Desktop (jhmo for linux) made no difference in times.

I swaped out the TiVo wireless for a wired 100MB link
--the XP box now took 1hr per .5hr of transfer
--the 2003 and linux boxes now took .75hrs per .5hr
Switched the XP box to force 100MB Full on the NIC and got the time down to matching the other machines, so XP was doing too much auto negotiating.

Whew, all that said it still takes me 45 minutes to transfer 30 minutes of video! The 30 min show is at medium quality so roughly 670MB. Do the network math and it should not take 45min to transfer 670MB over a 100MB link!! Anyone else seeing this problem? :confused:

Also the TiVo seems to drop off the network after several hours of transfer. So bad that a ping has high packet loss, but the box is still alive. TiVo Desktop and the browser generally time out. The only apparent recovery is to reboot the TiVo. Anyone seen this one? :confused:

[bigair]

Do you have port forwarding set up on a router to have external requests hit the TiVO? If so, maybe the router has a new external IP?

Not familar with "port forwarding" on the router. Belkin router. How do I get started? How do I check the "new external IP"?

Any idea what the minimum signal strength required for web access? Mine varies from Marginal to Good...

[rog]

Whew, all that said it still takes me 45 minutes to transfer 30 minutes of video! The 30 min show is at medium quality so roughly 670MB. Do the network math and it should not take 45min to transfer 670MB over a 100MB link!! Anyone else seeing this problem? :confused:

Yes, pretty much everyone is seeing this problem. There is a lot of overhead coming out of the TiVo, which really has nothing to do with networking. Until TiVo figures out a way to optimize the TTG process, we will not be able to improve TTG transfers.

[makohund]

Hey folks! This is actually my first post here. Hello, thanks for all of the reading you've given me in the past, and... well... here goes. :p


I've got a bit of a puzzle that has me pretty frustrated...

Summary:

Some files successfully downloaded via web the interface (via FireFox) can be played. Others (via wget) cannot. Help! :(


Full Story:

I run linux pretty much full time, and was pleased to discover the web interface. At least I could download my stuff from the tivo to free up room on it without fussing around with windows. I could just stack them up to the side, and dump them to DVD in windows later. Sounded great!

Then I ran into similar issues that other have... downloads quitting before finished. They weren't filesystem issues or anything. But even using flashgot via FireFox didn't seem to work well. (I've got a couple of bowl games from my local college football team... one of them is over 11GB.)

So I fed the URL's (via "view source" looking at the webpage) into wget. Which worked BEAUTIFULLY. I stacked up all of the urls of the shows I wanted to grab into a file, and fed that to wget. (The username/passwd was passed on the command line, and worked fine.)

Every single download completed successfully, and said so. The file sizes matched. Looked great to me. Planning on viewing them in windows the next day, I made the terrible mistake of finally deleting the shows off of my Tivo.

Today, after much cursing and pulling of hair, I got a windows machine up. (Installed XP on a spare hard drive, fetched updates, installed software, and so on... I do this for a living but still can't stand the agony of bringing up windows from scratch. Especially after experiencing apt, and the equivalent tools for rpm. Anywho...)

Everything is good to go. I can download stuff via the tivo desktop, and they play fine. I can even jump through the taboo hoops to make a clean mpg out of them with no problem. (I resorted to that in an effort to work around my problem, with no luck.)

Two of the files I downloaded via the web interface will play just fine. Ironically, one of them is a file that didn't complete downloading properly in FireFox. It plays, but ends after the 1st quarter of the game (which makes sense, considering the file size.)

BUT... the rest will not play at all. :eek: The tivo directshow dll doesn't like them. (So workarounds do no good either.) Says: "This recording is not a valid TiVo recording, or the correct media access key has not been set. For help, see the application you used to transfer the TiVo recording from your TiVo DVR." It actually never even asks me for my MAK, or the tivo desktop "playback password". Just goes straight to error, and leaves me at that.

The difference between the ones that play and the ones that don't? The ones that don't are all of my prized old games/shows that I pulled with wget. There is no good reason for them to be any different, but apparently the tivo software thinks they are.

The only other thing I could think of is if they were different quality settings, and the mpeg decoder doesn't like some of them. But... I'm pretty sure all of these shows were recorded the same. So that shouldn't be it. (I plan on testing it though.)


Any thoughts, comments, or ideas? Apologies for length, but I wanted to be clear and thorough. Thanks!

[startblazer]

I've been using linux too. Sometimes via JHMO, sometimes via the web interface. (use XP to create clean mpgs as well for viewing on linux) The thing that caught my attention is you said some of the recordings were old. Have you made any updates to your account with TiVo?

I originally had one Series-2 box. I had the MAK installed on my machines. I had a second Series-2 at a relative house (turns out they didn't quite get the whole TiVo thing so I have that box back) but it had a seperate account - all nice an legal - with its own MAK. When I calle dTiVo to tell them I had two accounts, the merged the second box into my first. The net result was that a new MAK was generated. I had to update my desktop software. Of course anything that was pulled over prior (some old stuff) no longer played and gave me tha MAK error you describe. If I had written it down I could still make it work (I had) by resetting the password on TiVo Desktop (long enough to get clean mpgs).

Anyway, just a thought.

[makohund]

Interesting... but shouldn't be anything like that.

I've only had one Tivo, and have had it for a couple years now. Only one MAK, the one I got just recently. Never made any changes to the account, other than the "please give me 7.0 ASAP" request, and telling it to allow transfers, etc. Nothing that should've messed with MAKs.

Also, many of the recordings that work and the ones that don't work are of roughly the same age. (While over a year old, they were within a few weeks of each other.)

Thanks, though. :)

I've since pulled a bunch over via the Tivo Desktop, and every single one works fine.

Just the ones I used wget for seem to be broken. The ones I've been saving for over a year, and now the original is deleted cuz I thought I'd pulled good copies of them off. :(

[rahjr42]

For giggles, try renaming it with a .mpg extension and see if it plays. Perhaps your method of pulling it off didn't let TiVo encode it with the MAK?

Just a silly hypothesis. . .

[bigair]

[QUOTE=bigair]Regarding "port forwarding" on a Belkin router: How do I check the "new external IP"?QUOTE]

Having trouble connecting to the Tivo server from outside my network. I set the vitural port on my Belkin to my Tivo's IP address and Port 80. No Joy.

I tried putting my Tivo's IP address outside in the DMZ. No Joy.

I tried to disable the firewall at the router. Still No Joy.

Any thoughts ??

[Rocketslc]

Try also forwarding port 443 to the Tivo's ip. Remember to use https: to connect to the Tivo

[jljocson]

I have seen your thread about directly downloading shows off of the tivo directly to the pc but everytime i attempt...the user id= tivo doesn't work or my MAK doesn't work. do you think it has been corrected? please help these download times are killing me!!!

[jljocson]

I have seen your thread about directly downloading shows off of the tivo directly to the pc but everytime i attempt...the user id= tivo doesn't work or my MAK doesn't work. do you think it has been corrected? please help these download times are killing me!!!

[thehand]

I have seen your thread about directly downloading shows off of the tivo directly to the pc but everytime i attempt...the user id= tivo doesn't work or my MAK doesn't work. do you think it has been corrected? please help these download times are killing me!!!

is the error message something to the effect that your user account password isn't the same that you used to transfer ....?

I think that's just the only error message the program has, so any kind of interruption in the download is ( I believe, because of lazy programming) is going to generate that message.

you only have one password that you should know by heart and one MAK that you see in your daydreams, so the error is in the downloading where there is a lot of opportunity for error if they're going to thwart a Mac user from doing unspeakable things to this pc world tivo file by encrypting on the fly (one of the reasons for less than efficient downloand that is physically connected to your computer and which should be transferred at a speed equal to the transfer speed of your network).

I use javaHMO because there is no limit size limit to how many shows I choose to transfer download. this method has been the most successful and least painfulbut when I use graphedit I'm limited to one file at a time which isn't so painful since the filtereing occurs in about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of realtime but still it's not a standard mpeg so I still have to ffmpegx or whatever to do further processing on a mac if I want to keep the file.

I'm resolved to just watch and trash using mplayer(more forgiving of these non standard tivo mpegs) to watch the filtered (graphedited) file with mplayer unless I really need to keep it.

but I'm not going to waste my time with those lame command line pc programs that will fail half the time and confine myself to a noisy pc. so what if they're free or a couple dollars. you get what you pay for.

the mac is so much more elegant and more close to fun than fighting a modal program in a pc

even if there's more steps to go through the path of least resistance to me is they way to go. I never in my life saw a penny pincher get rich unless they already are so what's the point?

[jsnyder2k]

I've gotten into the tivo through the links posted above, and I can see all of the recordings on my tivo, but when I click on the "download" button, I get a webpage with "Server Busy, too many transfers in progress". Anyone know what is going on here?

Thanks!

Jim

UPDATE: I found the problem. I went into task manager and shut down anything that had "tivo" running. I can transfer files now but the speed is still anemic at 2.15 kb/sec. This is killing me. Any ideas on the speed?

[stephen15c]

I got the web server fully functioning. Got my ports forwarding, im trying to download eps from over the net and it works thru internet explorer ... my internet conection (server side) keeps resetting. I want to use a download manager so i can resume the downloads (or have multiple threads to download faster), i am using DAP (Download Accelerator Plus) and when i try to download with it and it prompts for a password the normal Usr: Tivo PW: MAK does NOT work.
Any ideas?

[rahjr42]

I got the web server fully functioning. Got my ports forwarding, im trying to download eps from over the net and it works thru internet explorer ... my internet conection (server side) keeps resetting. I want to use a download manager so i can resume the downloads (or have multiple threads to download faster), i am using DAP (Download Accelerator Plus) and when i try to download with it and it prompts for a password the normal Usr: Tivo PW: MAK does NOT work.
Any ideas?

Perhaps try https://tivo:MAK@tivoIP/etc

[ThAbtO]

I got the web server fully functioning. Got my ports forwarding, im trying to download eps from over the net and it works thru internet explorer ... my internet conection (server side) keeps resetting. I want to use a download manager so i can resume the downloads (or have multiple threads to download faster), i am using DAP (Download Accelerator Plus) and when i try to download with it and it prompts for a password the normal Usr: Tivo PW: MAK does NOT work.
Any ideas?

Are you using the MAK number listed on your tivo for the password? You cannot use 'MAK' for the password.

[Jolest]

Just the ones I used wget for seem to be broken. The ones I've been saving for over a year, and now the original is deleted cuz I thought I'd pulled good copies of them off. :(
Do you have any file-editor tools that can handle HUGE binary files?

You might want to take a peek at a COPY of a file that works and one that doesn't and see if there's anything obvious that wget might have left at the beginning of the file that the .tivo decoder doesn't like. (I say "COPY" because some editors do bad things to binary files and you don't want to munge your only copies of two of the files...)

Good luck.

[jmemmott]

Do you have any file-editor tools that can handle HUGE binary files?

You might want to take a peek at a COPY of a file that works and one that doesn't and see if there's anything obvious that wget might have left at the beginning of the file that the .tivo decoder doesn't like. (I say "COPY" because some editors do bad things to binary files and you don't want to munge your only copies of two of the files...)

Good luck.
If you don't have an editor that works, you can get XVI32 from the following address, http://www.chmaas.handshake.de. I have used it on a number of .tivo files without ill effects. However, these files are simply a Tivo designed header followed by a 13818-2 program stream with encrypted frames so they are not easy to understand unless you have the MPEG2 spec setting next to you...

[bigair]

Originally Posted by stephen15c
I got the web server fully functioning. Got my ports forwarding, im trying to download eps from over the net and it works thru internet explorer ... my internet conection (server side) keeps resetting. I want to use a download manager so i can resume the downloads (or have multiple threads to download faster), i am using DAP (Download Accelerator Plus) and when i try to download with it and it prompts for a password the normal Usr: Tivo PW: MAK does NOT work.
Any ideas?

Perhaps try h-t-t-p-s / / tivo:MAK@tivoIP/etc

Could you please clairify?
I understand that in place of "MAK" I am to use my 10-digit Media Access Key.
But do I use the numeric portion of my tivoIP in place of "tivoIP"?
And what about the "/ect" ?

Thanks

[ThAbtO]

"MAK" stands for Media Access Key, and yes, you use the IP listed on the tivo for the 'TiVoIP" representation.

[bigair]

[QUOTE=ThAbtO]I want to use a download manager so i can resume the downloads (or have multiple threads to download faster), i am using DAP (Download Accelerator Plus) and when i try to download with it and it prompts for a password the normal Usr: Tivo PW: 10-digit MAK does NOT work.
Any ideas?
QUOTE]

In simple terms, when using DAP, what do I use for "username" and "password" ?

Username: Tivo
PW: 10-digit MAK

does NOT work.

[ThreeSoFar]

When I do it I use "tivo". All lower case.

[juanian]

Ahh, My TiVo HD is too small(stock 60GB) to see this limitation. Sorry if it's stating the obvious (I'm not a developer.), but it seems you can run multiple recurse "on" calls with anchoroffsets and count limitations. Something like this...

<First 50 programs>
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&ItemCount=50&Recurse=Yes

Followed by...

<Programs 51 to 100>
https://<tivoip>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/NowPlaying&ItemCount=50&AnchorOffset=50&Recurse=Yes

Etc... From your description, it sounds like that's what TiVo Desktop does? Or you could do it in chunks of 100, if that seems safe enough.

bitGreat info -- sorry about the late thanks; somehow, I skipped a chunk of messages in this thread, and didn't see your reply.

Oddly, the ItemCount and AnchorOffset don't seem to work when retrieving the HTML Now Playing list. I have had a subset of items occasionally returned with the HTML list (the bottom might show "27 items, (out of 51 total items)"), but it occurs rarely and randomly. (Now that I can access the program info using XML, I can stop dealing with the HTML stuff.)

Thanks again

[dwsea375]

I have tried to access my tivo via web ports 80 & 443, but those ports appear to be blocked. The only ports that appear to be accessible are tcp/2190 and tcp/2191.

Any idea what the problem might be?

I have a Humax Series 2 DVR with s/w version 7.1a-02-2-590.
The System Information page shows a line for TiVoToGo that has the value: 'a,a,i'.

[ThreeSoFar]

are you doing 443 via just a regular https:// URL? You don't want :443 at end....

but 80 should be there too

[quarque]

I have the fopllowing: 2 Tivos linked ad-hoc using wireless-b adapters and a PC added later to that network. TTG works fine, as does multi-room. I can pull up the DVR web server from the PC browser using its IP address and get my list of shows in Now Playing. When I click a 'download' link or try any other method to transfer files I get a long pause and then an error message saying the browser can't connect to that page, or something like that. I have looked at firewall settings and everything I can think of. What is blocking my transfers?

[gonzotek]

I have the fopllowing: 2 Tivos linked ad-hoc using wireless-b adapters and a PC added later to that network. TTG works fine, as does multi-room. I can pull up the DVR web server from the PC browser using its IP address and get my list of shows in Now Playing. When I click a 'download' link or try any other method to transfer files I get a long pause and then an error message saying the browser can't connect to that page, or something like that. I have looked at firewall settings and everything I can think of. What is blocking my transfers?
Do you have parental controls turned on? They must be disabled to allow transfers.

[gonzotek]

I have tried to access my tivo via web ports 80 & 443, but those ports appear to be blocked. The only ports that appear to be accessible are tcp/2190 and tcp/2191.

Any idea what the problem might be?

I have a Humax Series 2 DVR with s/w version 7.1a-02-2-590.
The System Information page shows a line for TiVoToGo that has the value: 'a,a,i'.
That value should be 'a,a,a'; that is probably your problem. Try disabling transfers from your account page at TiVo.com, then forcing a connection from the TiVo to pick up the change, then re-enabling transfers, and finally forcing another connection. It also might help to wait a little while between each step to allow time for both the server and the TiVo coordinate everything.

[quarque]

Do you have parental controls turned on? They must be disabled to allow transfers.
nope, no parental controls ever. transfers fine using Desktop 2.1 - just not using the web browser.

[Rory P]

how do I know my username/password?

[ashu]

username: tivo
Password: your MAK (go online, log into manage account, its on the top right, or it should be in your TiVo just before the System Information detail page). Don't share your MAK!

[Rory P]

OH! Alright. I got it. Thanks.

[slolife]

Has anyone figured out if any other TivoConnect commands exist than just the NowPlaying list? Something along the lines of To Do, Season Pass, Messages, etc.?

I'd love to know the list or where to find a reference of commands. Or anyone have any ideas on how to go about figuring it out?

TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/????

[cinthia]

Wow, this is a great thread. I can't believe TiVo activated a web server on its boxes in the 7.1 software... talk about making the boxes easy to hack! Not to mention the fact that TiVo has made it EASY for people to transfer their videos via the internet by opening the correct ports on their router and forwarding them to TiVo. (Yes, yes, I know... TiVo strongly discourages such things and considers doing so a violation of the TiVo license agreement… but it is still worth discussing)


The word "may" above seems to suggest that TiVo's lawyers are not sure whether or not internet transfers would constitute a "copyright infringement," and I'm guessing that they will keep that opinion until the "copyright holders" start complaining about internet transfers and threatening legal action. So, if anyone attempts internet transfers they may be committing a "copyright infringement" and will definitely be violating the TiVo license agreement. But, the question remains... WILL TiVo enforce the 'No Internet Transfers’ rule, and if so, HOW will TiVo know you are making internet transfers? Anyone care to speculate?

It seems that TiVo--whether intentionally or not--has made internet transfers possible through a backdoor. Imagine the possibilities.... you are on vacation or on a business trip somewhere your favorite shows are not broadcasted.... you plug your notebook computer into your room's high-speed internet connection, open your favorite web browser, and connect to your TiVo's webserver via your home network's IP Address.... now you can download the episodes you missed and watch them later in the day. (Talk about pissing off your home ISP by using too much upstream bandwidth!)

Before the flaming starts, please don't think I'm suggesting or recommending that anyone go out and violate their TiVo license agreements, or (for that matter) risk committing a "copyright infringement." I'm just speculating about new possibilities and wondering why TiVo would allow such access. If 7.1 was rushed into service like many believe, then maybe this is one of many 'mistakes' we will find.... then again, maybe this was done on purpose (they certainly took time to write the above disclaimer).

WTG TiVo... this was a VERY "user friendly" thing to do. ;)

We all get it. but can't you drop it? Why reiterate over and over the very issues that - by calling so much attention to - we be eliminated. They've mentioned SEVERAL times it's unsupported. Be glad we can finally use what we paid for and stop going on about it.

[azitnay]

Has anyone figured out if any other TivoConnect commands exist than just the NowPlaying list? Something along the lines of To Do, Season Pass, Messages, etc.?

I'd love to know the list or where to find a reference of commands. Or anyone have any ideas on how to go about figuring it out?

TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=/????

None are known at this time. Feel free to try some URL's, though :).

Drew

[ashu]

TiVoConnect?Command=QueryContainer&Container=LaundryBasketLoad_and_WasherStart
still doesn't work :(

[Peach]

Be gentle with me- I am no technowizard and need simple instruction- I have 2 home networks so can easily log off one and onto the other to see if I can acess TTG via the web from outside the network the Tivos are on. I cannot. If I am logged onto the network my Tivos are on, I can put in the ip address using the link supplied and get my nowplaying list, download shows, watch them. If I log off that network and am working on my other one I cannot. Make sense? The main thrill of the web access in my mind is to get shows to watch when I am traveling with my laptop, and since I will not be on that network then, I will be unable to access. Help?

Network one is WPA encrypted Netgear wireless that desktop and laptop are only on. Network two is Microsoft wireless router WEP encrypted and MAC address filtered that is plugged into the Netgear router. Both kids computers and all four Tivos are on that network. I have that 2nd network because I wanted WPA protection for my work computers but the Tivos cannot do WPA, and since I needed another network for them I put the kids on it too. All four Tivos and all four computers MAC addresses are configured to network 2.

While it may sound like I know what I am talking about, I assure you that mainly I only can follow directions, which is how I ended up with this network configuration.

If you are still with me, can you help? Thanks! :confused:

[ThreeSoFar]

Does the address you're using inside the network start with 192.168? That's a private network, accessible only within the network itself.

What you need to do when you're on the road is access your router's external IP address. But first you have to log onto that router (from your home network) and open up a "hole" in your router's firewall. Basically, you configure your router so when you hit it on a particular port, it knows to forward that onto the inside IP address of the TiVo (the 192.168 one).

Your router probably has a web interface to configure things. You need it's IP address to connect to it. It's likely 192.168.0.1, as that seems to be the default IP for a lot of routers. So http://192.168.0.1 might work. (Keep in mind this is an internal address--folks outside your router cannot access that IP, or if they do it's some node inside their own private network, like maybe their router.) The router will probably ask for a password, and it probably came with a default one enabled. You want to change that to something else, though. Default passwords are a bad thing.

This is a little dangerous. Normally, external IP addresses (including your laptop in the hotel room, but any old bad guy on the Internet, as well) cannot access anything but your router itself. And your router knows that the bad guys have no business going inside your network, so it doesn't let them.

If some vulnerability is ever found on the web server software on the TiVo that you're connecting to, there's the potential that a hacker on the outside can gain full control of your TiVo from the Internet. It could even then launch attacks against other hosts inside your private network.

If you open that hole in your router only when you're on the road (before you leave), and then plug it up again when you return, you'll be much better off.

Your router manual (likely available as a .pdf on the 'net someplace) might help you.

Hope this helps.

PS: I kept this pretty generic, brand name of router-wise. Also pretty basic, per your statement to that effect. A lot of this you may have had to do to configure other stuff on your router.

PPS: Oh, and by the way, YAMM.

[azitnay]

Your router probably has a web interface to configure things. You need it's IP address to connect to it. It's likely 192.168.0.1, as that seems to be the default IP for a lot of routers. So http://192.168.0.1 might work.

Good explanation... I just wanted to point out that many routers nowadays are using 192.168.1.1 instead. To find out for sure, you can drop to a command prompt and type ipconfig. That'll tell you what your computer's IP is; typically, your router will have a similar IP, just with a .1 as the last octet. So, if you're 192.168.1.101, your router is most likely 192.168.1.1.

Drew

[davezatz]

Good explanation... I just wanted to point out that many routers nowadays are using 192.168.1.1 instead. To find out for sure, you can drop to a command prompt and type ipconfig. That'll tell you what your computer's IP is; typically, your router will have a similar IP, just with a .1 as the last octet. So, if you're 192.168.1.101, your router is most likely 192.168.1.1.


Even easier with no guessing, do an 'ipconfig /all' and your router will most likely be the IP address listed under Default Gateway and/or DHCP Server.

[Peach]

Yes my ip address is of the 192.168 variety. I guess I need to read up on opening a port, but if I hear you correct even if I open before leaving and close upon return, this is dangerous and could allow outside access? Not sure I can take that risk, then again we are only talking the Tivos and the kid's computers which aren't exactly classified infomation- my WPA network would remain secured, right?

I do know how to log onto my routers and I have of course changed both default passwords. Where I am losing you is how to open a port for outside access to accomplish my goal of accessing Tivo programming from the road and how to access that port from another network. Anyone want to go there, or are you gonna tell me to read my manual? I hate reading the manual... :(

[azitnay]

Opening external ports to internal devices is only dangerous when the internal device has some kind of vulnerability. There is no known vulnerability with webserver running on the TiVo at the present time, but to be absolutely safe, you have to assume that there could one day be a vulnerability found.

If some crazy vulnerability was found that allowed a hacker shell access to your TiVo, then they could theoretically access anything else on your network as well (unsecured Windows SMB shares, etc). Assuming your WPA router is connected to the same network, any devices on there would be fair game, too -- WPA protects the data during its transmission between the wireless device and the router, but after that, WPA's job is done.

All that being said, I don't expect there to be any vulnerabilities found in the webserver on the TiVo. I have all three of my TiVos set up for external access. Of course, I'm not using external ports 80 and 443 for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which being the bit of extra security having the port forward on a "nonstandard" external port provides.

As for setting up the port forwarding on your router, I'm afraid every router has its own method. It shouldn't be too hard to find via your router's web interface, but if you find yourself unable to find it, you may indeed have to RT (router's) FM.

Drew

[robertsjj]

Ah! This is just what I needed! I am so thankful that you posted your solution!

username: tivo
password: MAK0000 (the MAK plus the parental-controls password)

Just absolutely WONDERFUL!

Thanks.

[holidayidol]

Before I experiment with this method, can you let me know if this will even work on the Toshiba RS-TX20 yet?

I'm already networked successfully on a wireless router. My Toshiba IP is 192.168.0.108, my PC is 192.168.0.101 and my default gateway is 192.168.0.1. My MAK is.....just kidding :) But I have it ready and written down.

I don't know if it matters, but I'm on TiVo Basic right now, although using the TiVo Plus free trial.

[azitnay]

Well, first of all, Plus is required for TiVoToGo.

However, does TiVoToGo even work during the Plus trial? I know MRV, M&P, etc. don't, so I would assume TTG doesn't as well.

Drew

[holidayidol]

Well, first of all, Plus is required for TiVoToGo.

However, does TiVoToGo even work during the Plus trial? I know MRV, M&P, etc. don't, so I would assume TTG doesn't as well.

Drew

Well, I think you are correct. I know that the M&P is not activated with my free plus trial.

But this really puts me in a no win situation right now, with the RS-TX20. I would only subscribe to Plus for the TiVoToGo feature. Yet the 7.1 upgrade and TiVoToGo has not been rolled out for these boxes yet, and there is no firm date in site to expect this either.

So, even if I did subscribe to TiVo Plus, am I correct in my understanding that the method discussed here (https://user:MAK@tivoip) and/or TiVoToGo would STILL not work ?? :(

[azitnay]

Well, then TiVo's motivation for getting 7.x rolled out to the RS-TX boxes should come from people like you :). Until then, you can enjoy TiVo Basic, and save up recordings on the box to presumably TTG when you have it available to you.

Hopefully TiVo will get it out within their previous timeframe, which was this summer (still almost two months to go).

Drew

[holidayidol]

I was afraid of that answer....but expecting it none-the-less.

Well, then TiVo's motivation for getting 7.x rolled out to the RS-TX boxes should come from people like you :).

Ok, what can I do to continue motivating them?

Hopefully TiVo will get it out within their previous timeframe, which was this summer

It's that "hopefully" that discourages me. But I suppose I can stick it out a little longer if indeed I can get this functionality soon enough. That really sucks though if you think about it.

[ThreeSoFar]

What type of service would you get in the end? If you're planning on lifetime anyway, and you've got the $299 in the bank ready to go, no reason not to get it now, right?

But if you're doing monthly (don't! first of all, but if you plan on it), it might make sense to wait.

[ml98133]

I'm also having trouble with wget on Linux to download Tivo files.

I'd be so happy if I could use wget to download from TiVo and even happier if I could clean up files I already downloaded with wget.

Looking at the good vs wget files, it looked like there were 6 extra bytes at the start of the wget files that were not right.

(You can compare by doing a head on files that work vs files that don't. It looks like 1440 is at the start of the wget files for some reason....)

I notices a bunch of other lines that looked like: ####\r with a four digit hex number.

So I tried:
"cat "Wget File.TiVo" | sed '/[0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F]\r$/d' > testing123.TiVo"

It seemed to get rid of those lines, but didn't make the files viewable. :(

I'm guessing something with the chunked encoding from TiVo and wget is causing some problem. I bet someone who really understands wget and hyperttp could figure out what went wrong and maybe find a way to clean up the files.

It's really difficult to compare since TiVo seems to use different "salt" each time so that the actual mpeg is encrypted differently each time. So, it's not possible to compare the mpeg data and see where it differs between good and bad files.

I'm using wget 1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified).

[ml98133]

Yay!
I found a way to fix files that I had downloaded with wget with broken chunk encoding.

Here's a script...it is too slow and uses too much processor time:
sed -e :a -e '$!N;$!N;s/\r\n[0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F]\r\n//;ta' -e 'P;D'"$1" > temp.file
sed '/[0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F]\r$/d' temp.file > "$1.fix.TiVo"

I also have a perl script, which is much faster (reasonable). If anyone needs it, send me a message. (I doubt this is a common problem, so I won't bother posting the script.)

[Vandy04]

I read the entire thread but apparently I am completely missing something. i went into the tivo network settings and copied what it said my ip addr: 192.168.0.118 and when i try the site with my <tivo ip> inserted properly and it says cannot find server. Do i have to access with my laptop attached to that same network or can i do this from a different network like my school wireless if my tivo is set up in my apartment?

thanks for any suggestions.

[grapeape]

I read the entire thread but apparently I am completely missing something. i went into the tivo network settings and copied what it said my ip addr: 192.168.0.118 and when i try the site with my <tivo ip> inserted properly and it says cannot find server. Do i have to access with my laptop attached to that same network or can i do this from a different network like my school wireless if my tivo is set up in my apartment?

thanks for any suggestions.

Yes, the "192.xxx" address is a local network address. You can only access it from the same network. In order to access it from the internet or another network, you will need to configure your router to forward the public IP address to this local address. e.g. you type in 67.133.1.1:88 and the router reroutes to 192.168.0.118:80.

[Vandy04]

Ok, i understand what you've set and i set up my router to open port 443 to the ip address of my tivo, and so now if i type in the address from another network with the public wan:443 it prompts my password then takes me to the now playing page but it doesn't download the pictures, and then it will let me follow a link to a folder, but again does not show the images and then when i click download it says page not available. I've messed around with this for 2hours and still can't get it to work. Any suggestions would be extremely helpful. Thanks all.

[Vandy04]

this has to be the most frustrating thing ever. I go to my router "68.169.42.35:443" and still it takes me to the now playing page without the images and then when i click the link of "download" it takes me to the standard "the page cannot be displayed" page... any suggestions or help would be appreciated. My guess is that the router must go to the tivo because i can connect, but can't see the images and can't download the shows. Like i keep saying any suggestions would be helpful since i'm officially out of ideas.

[azitnay]

All the images, and the show download links themselves, are served up over standard HTTP (port 80) rather than HTTPS (port 443). Thus, you also have to forward port 80.

Drew

[Vandy04]

I must not be understanding still, because according to D-Link's help page "Because our routers use NAT (Network Address Translation), you can only open a specific port to one computer at a time." I don't understand how i can open both ports on the tivo? any suggestions would be appreciated.

[rahjr42]

"you can only open a specific port to one computer at a time."

True. Port 80 can only be forwarded to one address/machine. It is impossible to send it to multiple machines. But you can send multiple PORTS to a single address/machine.

[Vandy04]

ok, how can i do that? i swear i've read this discussion 20 times over and i've read the manual to my d-link 254 and still don't know how to open the ports or forward the ports the way i need to do. If anyone can help me figure this out it i'd love you for life. This is the most frustrating thing posible, it's like a puzzle i can't figure out. Thanks again to everyone that's responded.

[Vandy04]

I've got D-Link 524 and i went to the router page and went to the virtual server page and set the advanced options, virtual server, named it and typed my tivo ip in the private ip, set the private port at 80 and public port at 80 and schedule for always on, then did the same for public port 443 and private port 443. Then when i go to the nowplaying page from another network the page prompts me to log in but then the images don't work and i can't download the episodes. Like i said, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I've been working on this all day. Thanks again.

[ThAbtO]

You don't forward ports 80 or 443, use 2190 (tcp & udp) and 8080 to 8089 (tcp).

[Vandy04]

I did 2190 private port to 8089 public port under both, and 8080 private to 8089 public tcp and again it did not allow me to get images when i connect via another network...any ideas anyone?
thanks again for the effort

[gonzotek]

I've got D-Link 524 and i went to the router page and went to the virtual server page and set the advanced options, virtual server, named it and typed my tivo ip in the private ip, set the private port at 80 and public port at 80 and schedule for always on, then did the same for public port 443 and private port 443. Then when i go to the nowplaying page from another network the page prompts me to log in but then the images don't work and i can't download the episodes. Like i said, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I've been working on this all day. Thanks again.
It's possible then that your ISP blocks port 80.

[azitnay]

You definitely won't need the 2190 and 8080-8089 ports forwarded to get this web interface working externally.

Gonzo is probably on the nose... Who's your ISP? Verizon DSL in the DC area (my ISP) blocks port 80 inbound. I, instead, forward external ports 180, 280, and 380 (for each my my three TiVos) to port 80 on the corresponding internal TiVo IP (incidentally, I do the same with 1443, 2443, and 3443).

If your router allows you to redirect ports in this manner (not all routers do, though there are sometimes firmware hacks you can put in place to achieve it), images still won't work (big deal), but you'll be able to copy and paste the download URL's into your browser's address bar, and manually append the :180 to get it to go to the right port.

Drew

[Vandy04]

I have adelphia cable down in charlottesville, and according to them there are no firewalls so i have no idea why port 80 appears to be blocked because i've followed every step i've heard from this post or anywhere else.

[azitnay]

Someone who claims to be having trouble with inbound port 80, even though Adelphia claims to not block anything:

http://www.apache-httpd.com/msg/12568.html

Someone who claims Adelphia blocks their inbound port 80:

http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-February/036113.html

I'd say there's a good chance your port 80 is blocked. If you can, try my 180 -> 80 method.

Drew

[ashu]

Port 80 in Loudoun county (VA) IS blocked by Adolfia.

[Vandy04]

azitnay, are you saying on the routers virtual server page set the public port to 180 and the private port to 80 for the ip address of my tivo, then just change the download link to the public ip:180 instead of the link to the public ip:80 that the page uses? because i've tried that and it doesn't work. I'm not quite sure how that would because when i checked via an open port checking website, port 80 is indeed blocked. I've been working on this for so long i don't want to give up because i spend most of my time away from my house and hence away from my home network. If anyone can help me, the situation is as follows, i have adelphia cable with a d-link 524 router and for whatever reason adelphia blocks port 80 so i am unable to simply forward that port on my routers virtual server advanced option. My im name is BestImNameEver22 if anyone has an idea how to fix this that can't be answered in a simple reply. Thanks again for everyone that's offered advice.

[ThAbtO]

Hope this helps everyone in setting the right ports.

[Vandy04]

I have those ports opened and still no images or ability to download shows from the links from outside of my home network. Additionally, when i click on a link for a download, then add :180 on the end of the ip address it still does not work despite having private port 80 forwarded to port 180.

[Vandy04]

Here is an attachment that shows my "virtual servers", i simply copied the info from that page on my router and pasted it into a word document. If someone can take a look at this page and give me any suggestions i'd appreciate it. Thanks again.

[Vandy04]

any ideas anyone??? Thanks.

[dick_pfister]

any ideas anyone??? Thanks.

Opening ports willy nilly isn't going to do much. You need simply to make sure that requests going to port 80 and 443 are forwarded to the TiVo via port forwarding. How to perform that task is outside the scope of this particular forum due mainly to the large variety of routers.

My TiVo has a reserved internal address of 192.168.0.5. I forward all requests to port 80 and 443 to 192.168.0.5 and it works quite well for downloading programs.

That business with opening 8080-8089 is the TiVo beacon stuff. You don't need that for simply using a remote computer to copy programs from your TiVo.

I tried that too, but there is some sort of firewall I cannot control in between the remote computer and my TiVo. I gave up on that.

[Vandy04]

I understand what you are saying and i believe i'm pasted that already. I have opened ports as suggested by anyone willing to offer advice with no luck. Apparently my cable internet provider, Adelphia, blocks attemts to access port 80. My question now is how to work around that if it is possible. I've tried having public port 180 forward to private port 80, and then manually copying the download link and changing the :80 to :180 but that does not work. At this point I'm looking for any ideas because i've tried everything i've told with no luck and i feel like i've spent so much time on this that i refuse to give up. I know i'm not nearly as computer literate as many people offering suggestions but I am more than familiar enough with a computer to follow any well laid out instructions. Thanks again to all those that have tried to help.

[ashu]

Well, then, make your request (externally) to another port - say 96521 (pick a random one!) and forward it to Port 80 on an internal device (Your TiVo's IP address). (Or has this mentioned before, and is your router incapable of this setting?)

[Vandy04]

Isn't that what i'm doing when i forward the public port 180 to the private port 80 or am i missing something? I have tried that and copied the download link and inserted :180 where the tivo download link has :80. Is this what your talking about?

[azitnay]

Vandy, I took a look at your Word document displaying your "Virtual Servers", and it does not appear that you've actually forwarded external port 180 to port 80 on your TiVo.

I assume the line in question is:


Tivo 3 192.168.0.118 TCP 80/180 always

Comparing with some of the other lines in your document, it appears to me that it's actually forwarding port range 80 - 180 (i.e. 80, 81, 82, ..., 179, 180) to your internal TiVo IP (192.168.0.118). Obviously, that won't give the desired 180 -> 80 forward; instead, it'll give 80 -> 80 and 180 -> 180.

What model router are you using? I can look up its manual online to be sure, but it's entirely possible it doesn't support the type of port redirection I'm describing. If that's the case, you're most likely out of luck with that particular router (but can always try another one).

I've also heard of firmware hacks you can install on your router to enable functionality like this, but I don't know anything about them.

Drew

[Vandy04]

Thanks azitnay, it's a D-Link 524, the manual can be found on the following link if you click on "download manual here" center top of the page: http://www.dlink.com/products/support.asp?pid=316&pv=64&sec=0

Thanks again.

[azitnay]

Ok... Page 76 of the manual makes it pretty clear that your router supports port redirection.

Just to clarify the settings, they should be:

Name: <whatever>
Private IP: 192.168.0.118
Protocol Type: TCP
Private Port: 80
Public Port: 180
Schedule: Always

Double-check that you didn't mix up the private and public ports... I'm sure you already have, but one of your posts above made it sound like you thought you were forwarding the private port to the public port, and that's not the case, so just double-check and make me happy :).

If this truly doesn't work, perhaps you should try a different port besides 180 (such as ashu's excellently-selected 96521). Who knows what else your ISP might be blocking.

BTW (just to satisfy my curiosity), going back to your Word document, if you truly have external port 180 forwarded to internal port 80, than that also means you have external port 8080 forwarded to internal port 8089. Might I ask why? :)

Drew

[Vandy04]

Okay, so I checked again and port 180 public is set to 80 private and it is still not working. I had 8080 forwarded to 8089 and 2190 forwarded to 2190 after this comment by "You don't forward ports 80 or 443, use 2190 (tcp & udp) and 8080 to 8089 (tcp)." (comment 397, then again 406). That seems to do nothing so i've deleted those port settings. I'll try the more random 96521 public to 80 private as soon as i'm back at my network. Thanks again.

[ThAbtO]

When I said "ports 8080 to 8089", that is ports 8080, 8081, 8082... 8089 to be forwarded to the Tivo IP.

[Vandy04]

ah, I've been away from my home network but i'll try both of those suggestions. Out of curiousity, why would you need to forward all of the ports 8080 through 8089?

[azitnay]

Once again, ports 8080 through 8089 have nothing to do with TiVoToGo. Try to forward them if you'd like, but it's not going to help you if your goal is to download .TiVo files remotely.

Drew

[Vandy04]

Wow...thanks for all your help azitnay. Turns out adelphia definitely blocks not only port 80 but apparently also 180, i entered a random number like 53252 and forwarded that to 80 and now i just have to insert that into the download link like you said and I can download shows. Only downside is that from two adelphia cable networks utilizing wireless both at the tivo and the computer on the seperate network I get a transfer speed of about 48 or 50 KB/Sec. Does anyone have examples of transfer times from other networks? Or suggestions on how this speed could be improved? i think my tivo has a decent signal at about 70%, maybe that is draining speed. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Vandy04]

30 minute show on high quality, 1.02 GB downloaded in 6 hr 18 minutes some how i don't think that will make this much of a usable function unless i can get that speed up from it's average of 47.5 KB/Sec

[azitnay]

Interesting that Adelphia blocks port 180... But whatever, glad other random ports work.

47.5KBps translates 380Kbps, which could very well be the upstream bandwidth cap on your cable modem (384Kbps is a common value). You'll have to ask your ISP to give you more upstream bandwidth, probably by paying them a lot more money per month (a business connection, perhaps).

You can also change your ISP, of course... My particular DSL connection gives me 768Kbps upstream; twice yours, so not blazingly fast, but adequate in a pinch. Depending on how far you are from your CO, though, there's no guarantee you'll be able to get that kind of DSL speed.

Personally, I actually use this functionality more to check NPL's remotely than to actually download anything.

Drew

[gonzotek]

30 minute show on high quality, 1.02 GB downloaded in 6 hr 18 minutes some how i don't think that will make this much of a usable function unless i can get that speed up from it's average of 47.5 KB/SecI agree with everything azitnay just said, but thought I'd offer another way to 'get around' the bandwidth limitation. It's not nearly a 'great solution' but would make downloads quicker. You could have a pc on your home network running Galleon and have Galleon auto-downloading shows. From there, they can be converted into smaller mpeg4 files. Then they would take less time to transfer. Other people have also had success installing Galleon at the remote location and having it connect to their TiVo and auto-download things overnight, but that, I think, would require you to have the standard port 80 open and to be allowed to install Galleon wherever it is that you're connecting from (work may have a policy against things like Galleon, since it's technically a server software).

[Vandy04]

Thanks for both replys. I'm happy to hear that my speeds are not just exceptionally low. I guess I won't be downloading shows everynight or anything like that, but i suppose it will work if i'm really away or there is something in particular i'd like to watch when i know i won't be near my house. Right now I don't have an extra computer that I could use as gonzotek explains but that definitely seems like something i'll do once i'm finally out of school or if i run into some money. Thanks for the advice!

[ashu]

Thanks for both replys. I'm happy to hear that my speeds are not just exceptionally low. I guess I won't be downloading shows everynight or anything like that, but i suppose it will work if i'm really away or there is something in particular i'd like to watch when i know i won't be near my house. Right now I don't have an extra computer that I could use as gonzotek explains but that definitely seems like something i'll do once i'm finally out of school or if i run into some money. Thanks for the advice!

Look into ORB! The best and only way to leverage upstream and downstream capabilities/bandwidth that I've come across yet, to enjoy your videos, shows, music and pictures. I can actually watch tolerable renditions of video/shows on my cellphone, and have heard more than one complete Podcast on it too!

Orb (http://www.orb.com)
Orb's new TiVoAnywhere add-on discussion (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=254407)

The orb forums are cool too - I asked and someone suggested a way to get multiple TiVo's working - haven't tried it yet, but they're active there!

[tivobaby]

I've successfully used the information posted here to access my Tivo from work and when I am travelling on business. I have been able to view the "Now Playing" page and download programs from the internet by forwarding my home router ports 80 and 443.

Here's my million dollar question: Has anyone figured out URLs or links for other Tivo commands, such as *deleting* programs from the Tivo, revising Season Passes, etc.

Thanks in advance.

[azitnay]

No, the Now Playing interface is the only known web interface at this time.

Drew

[kwkslva666]

Is there any way for me to make my TiVo available remotely so I can access and download the media outside my home network? I am working with the Humax DVD-RW 80 Hour and a Series2 40 Hour.

Thanks :up:

[morac]

Is there any way for me to make my TiVo available remotely so I can access and download the media outside my home network? I am working with the Humax DVD-RW 80 Hour and a Series2 40 Hour.

Thanks :up:
If you make the TiVo's http and https servers (ports 80 and 443) available to the Internet you can use TiVo's web interface to download shows. With most home connections this isn't very practical though since even a half hour show is around 800 MB which would take a long time to send even with 384 or 768 kbps upload speeds.

[wgary]

try http://DVREverywhere.com which is based on the Orb network -- http://orb.com
This doesn't download the files but does allow streaming from your Tivo Server to any Windows Media-enabled device.

[Lyme Greene]

I've got 2 tivos. I opened up 80 and 443 and set it to one and it works. How do I get to the other? I tried 180 and 1443, but it doesn't work. I'm using Comcast in NJ, router is Linksys WRT54GS firmware v4.70.6. Thanks in advance.

[morac]

I've got 2 tivos. I opened up 80 and 443 and set it to one and it works. How do I get to the other? I tried 180 and 1443, but it doesn't work. I'm using Comcast in NJ, router is Linksys WRT54GS firmware v4.70.6. Thanks in advance.What you would need to do is redirect a different set of inbound ports (say 180 and 1443) to ports 80 and 443 on your 2nd TiVo.

With the stock firmware in the Linksys WRT54GS there is no (practical) way to do this. You can use the UPNP setup in Windows XP to make a temporary mapping from a WAN port on the linksys to a LAN port on your network which will work, but these will go away if the router resets.

Some 3rd party firmware allows remapping of ports, but not the official firmware from Linksys.


Another option is to remote login to a PC on your local network and setup the transfer from there, but that requires a PC to be on at all times.

[kwkslva666]

I know I sound ignorant, but how exactly would I do so. I an relatively new this whole process and have much to learn. Could you walk me through the steps to make these ports available?

Much Obliged!

[ashu]

Read the rest of this thread :) Stop and try it when you think you've gotten it, or you'll encounter MUCH repetition.

[bouffoc]

If you've used Tivo Desktop and Parental controls together, you know that it's necessary to completely turn off parental controls AT THE TIVO before TD allows downloads.

With the web interface, as you know the now playing list requires the USER: tivo PASS: [MAK] then if Parental Controls are off TD allows downloads. However the first time I tried to download via web-server from my tivo with Parental Controls active, I received another login screen parenthetically mentioning Parental Controls.

USER: tivo (obviously)

PASS:...
I tried the MAK.- NO GO
I tried my Parental Controls 4-digit code - NO GO
Then it dawned on me: MAK + PC Code - voila!

Now for the advantage I mentioned: the parental controls at the television remain active!

I don't know yet whether I'll need my PC code to view on my computer, though I'm guessing I will.

[leducjjr]

Just used this new feature to log into my Tivo and d/l a couple of shows. Transfer took roughly same amount of time, no surprise, but the really nice thing is I didn't have to fiddle with the Tivo Desktop software. Sometimes it takes awhile for this software to load up and I often have to maually clear the cache in orfer to see all the shows.

I did have some trouble with the d/l "hanging" and needed to restart one of them a couple of times. The Tivo was being used for recording and viewing while the d/l ran and my kids were playing an online game at the time (different pc, same network) so there are a number of factors to consider in my experience here.

This is cool idea, ignoring the "hung d/l" issue. Now with the html and xml interface I can start coding automated, scheduled runs to pick up shows before they roll off (40 hr drive, small I know but I bought the small Tivo option with the intent of using my network HD as the long-term media storage anyways).

I used the directshow dump utility taken from a well-known site to convert the tivo to mpg and can play the show I d/l from the web interface. No need to enter MAK for the conversion or playback.

[juanian]

I'm all for writing things myself, but I use the free app Galleon (http://galleon.sourceforge.net/) to do my automated downloads. You can configure Galleon ToGo (http://galleon.tv/content/view/14/29/) with rules that determine what programs are automatically downloaded to whatever drive location you specify. Here is a link to the short Galleon ToGo Tutorial (http://galleon.sourceforge.net/tutorials/togo.htm) which gives a very quick overview of the downloading options. (FYI: Part of the support website has recently moved to http://galleon.tv .)

I have been using Galleon 1.9.2 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=272201), but the current version is now Galleon 2.0.1 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=279664).

There is an automatic transcoding option with the Galleon GoBack (http://galleon.tv/content/view/89/49/) feature, but I haven't used it.

As for your "hanging" problem, I'm not sure exactly what the cause is. Are you using a wireless network? Is it hanging at the end, or at different times in the middle? (Depending on caching issues, the download status might display at the end of the status line, but completing the write of the cached file to your hard drive might take a while.)

Good luck, and welcome to the wonderful world of saving TiVo programs!

[leducjjr]

Ah many thanks for the info. I'll look into this now.

Regarding the hanging issue it turns out I was being greedy and selected more than one show to download at a time. Once I scaled it down to one show at a time the transfer completed with no issue.

[shalom]

When I used Desktop 2.2 I couldn't get the DVD's to burn - I was told that some are having problems with 2.2 and I should go back to 2.0 which I did.
That worked until Friday, now I start a download and it downloads about 7 kb and generates an error. I have reinstalled the software, tried it on a different computer and reset the TIVO all with the same results.

TIVO said to try Desktop 2.1, but I have no way of getting that version.

I tried the web version - the now playing list displays and I click on the download link. It acts like it is going to download, but just sits there.

I am getting desperate, I have several show I need to download.

I am using Win XP home.

Parental controls are off.

Any ideas?

[leducjjr]

To be perfectly honest, once I d/l and set up the Galleon app juanian suggested earlier in this thread I never went back to Desktop. Galleon is really just that good.

I use a freeware Directshow Dump app to convert the offloaded .tivo file to .mpg then I either burn to DVD using my fav DVD proggie. Actually I take it one step further and run DivX's converter to make a DivX-compatible file, then burn to disk. That way the files are smaller than the .tivo and .mpg files, and they play nicely on my DivX-enabled DVD player.

An internet search for the phrase "Directshow Dump" will yield some good results regarding which program to use to convert a .tivo file to a mpg file. (HINT: ignore the "watched folders" option that can be enabled in the freewre app - it doesn't work and Galleon does this for you anyway)

My suggestion is to d/l and install and configure the Galleon app - the nicest thing about it is its ability to accept "download rules" whereby I can download my "Futurama"s or shows with the word "monkey" in the title or description automagically.

Hope this helps. I can't assist on support for either the DSD or the Galleon app, but the online help for both programs is very good.

[Visitor_email]

Yay!
I found a way to fix files that I had downloaded with wget with broken chunk encoding.

Here's a script...it is too slow and uses too much processor time:
sed -e :a -e '$!N;$!N;s/\r\n[0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F]\r\n//;ta' -e 'P;D'"$1" > temp.file
sed '/[0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F][0-9A-F]\r$/d' temp.file > "$1.fix.TiVo"

I also have a perl script, which is much faster (reasonable). If anyone needs it, send me a message. (I doubt this is a common problem, so I won't bother posting the script.)
Hi:

I did a little bit more research after looking at ml98133's post about the wget problems. Here are my findings:

Basically as you probably all know, Tivo will send the files using chunk encoding and to my surprise only very new versions of wget will support chunk encoding, none of these are included in most of the latest distributions of linux, needless to say they are not on cygwin either. So basically if you use wget, chances are you will use a version that does not support chunk encoding which means that it will ignore the chunk encoding header and will leave the meta data for chunks in the file itself creating files that Tivo does not recognize. The chunk encoding is easy to parse, basically it has the length of the chunk as an hexadecimal number followed by CR/LF and then the actual data followed by CR/LF also. You just need to write a program that does that and in a few seconds (even if they are 800Mb or larger) you should be able to fix your files (reading chunks once you have the size is quite fast in any language) I am assuming that is what ml98133 is doing with his perl script. Anyway, there is one easier solution, just use CURL :) curl actually supports chunk encoding and it is pretty similar to wget. Using curl you don't have to do any file manipulation, your files end up ready to go.

Hope this info is useful.

Of course, I have to thank ml98133 for his post; I thought that using wget was not going to be possible :)

Thanks!

[azitnay]

Hmm... It's my understanding that wget still sends HTTP/1.0 requests, and Content-Transfer-Encoding: chunked wasn't introduced until HTTP/1.1.

So, I'd blame the TiVo, not wget, for the problem you're seeing, if it is indeed chunking the response to an HTTP/1.0 request.

Drew

[JacksTiVo]

Thanks for the referral to the Direct Show Dump Utility. The latest version of the utility is at: http://prish.com/etivo/downloads/DSD0.1.1424/Dsd0.1.1424.0.msi . Since there have been many complaints about Sonic, I was reluctant to purchase it. I use WinDVD Creator for editing and burning DVD's and have been very happy with it.

[Capn Jack]

I just searched this whole thread to see if someone had found how to see Season's Passes or Wishlists. It will be useful as more and more upgrade to S3 but still no ideas. Hmmm.

[hyachts]

Just an interesting sidenote: it appears that Comcast is blocking ports 180 and 280 in my service area (Nashua, NH). I had to go with 8080 mapped to 80 to get to my second Tivo from outside my network. I couldn't find any useful info on those ports, anyone else know anything about them or why they'd be blocked? It took me a little bit to figure out what was going on because the https interface was working fine forwarded from 1443 - it wasn't until I tried adding the :180 to the download URL that I had problems.

[azitnay]

They leave port 80 open, but block 180 and 280? That's pretty random.

IANA lists port 180 as ris (Intergraph), and port 280 as http-mgmt. I doubt either one gets used for its intended purpose too often.

Drew

[ashu]

All this reminds me - I've been trying to find a VPN-capable router I can use to occasionally telecommute, picked up two Linksys units in a row (WRV54G and BEFSX41) only to discover they lack PAT+NAT capabilities! That even my ANCIENT (3+ years old) DLink has!

eg: Public port 1234 to private IP 192.168.0.21:5678 is not allowed - I MUST use port 1234 on the local system. Sheesh! I guess they moved all the real worthwhile features up to Cisco products! Too bad, I rturned them and went with a cheaper, nicer, faster (hardware VPN) DLink 804-HSV (pity the SMCBR14VPN has been discontinued! :( )

[hyachts]

I had to flash my Linksys with DD-WRT firmware to manage the "advanced" forwarding required. I have that router (w/ wireless) behind a Linksys VoIP router (no wireless) so I have to forward twice. Weird that the Linksys w/ phone adapter had forwarding, the wireless did not.

[ashu]

I had to flash my Linksys with DD-WRT firmware to manage the "advanced" forwarding required. I have that router (w/ wireless) behind a Linksys VoIP router (no wireless) so I have to forward twice. Weird that the Linksys w/ phone adapter had forwarding, the wireless did not.

Agreed, 3rd Party firmwares support a vastly improved/competitive feature-set. Unfortunately, my sysadmin at work is uncomfortable with letting us do that to VPN gateways - so I decided to get a router that supported VPN & the NAT/PAT capabilities I wanted, out of the box, or with an approved, factory firmware upgrade! The DLink and SMCs definitely do - Linksys' loss :)

[azitnay]

I had to flash my Linksys with DD-WRT firmware to manage the "advanced" forwarding required. I have that router (w/ wireless) behind a Linksys VoIP router (no wireless) so I have to forward twice. Weird that the Linksys w/ phone adapter had forwarding, the wireless did not.

FYI, you can probably simplify your network configuration by switching the wireless router to operate in "access point only" mode (or if it doesn't support it automatically like my Belkin does, simulate it by turning off DHCP and NAT and using one of the LAN ports instead of the WAN port to connect to the VoIP rouer). That's what I do, since I use the Verizon-supplied Westell 2200 as our router (it doubles as the DSL modem, so it has to be involved no matter what).

Of course, if it ain't broke don't fix it... I just find it's much easier to only have to worry about one layer between me and the internet.

Drew

[ashu]

Excellent suggestion (if it isn't already that way) for hyachts, and applicable in most situations!

Although I plan to keep my for-work PC on the outer (VPN) router, and my home network unchanged 'behind' it, with my nice & robust wireless bridging setup unmodified. I'm moving the Vonage device to the outside to test & play with QoS (only the new DLink supports it), although I have enough bandwidth that it is usually a non-issue.

[hyachts]

I haven't tried using the wireless as a switch since I got the new(er) Vonage router (the old one had spotty port forwarding - see my troubles over a year ago in this same thread). I expect it would work just fine, but I think I'm going to stick with this configuration as long as it doesn't give me trouble.

I haven't had to monkey with my Vonage quality since I moved it outside my router, but I think the DD-WRT firmware supports QoS so I suppose I could also get back to one "layer" by putting the phone adapter behind the router again.

[mrlopez8]

It sure would be nice if we could a web browser to access the files on the series 3 TiVos. :)

[classicsat]

It sure would be nice if we could a web browser to access the files on the series 3 TiVos. :)
It should come when T2G is enabled on that DMR.

[morac]

It should come if T2G is enabled on that DMR.
fixed ;)

[nirmelamoud]

for some reason, the web access (nowplaying) is not working any more, it worked in the past, I'm using the username tivo, and my MAK, and it fail to authenticate,
I'm sure my MAK is the right one, since I looked in the site, and tivo desktop work with it,
do you have an idea how to solve it?

is some tivo SW upgrade cause this?

[windracer]

Try rebooting your TiVo (although if TiVo Desktop is working like you say, the web interface should work as well).

The web-based access still works for me ...

[morac]

That can happen if you set a parental code (or possible Kid Zone). Then the password changes to the MAK plus the 4 digit code.

[TokyoShoe]

It should come when T2G is enabled on that DMR.

Man I wish they would actually enable T2G on the Series 3's. It is actually a labelled feature on the box that they advertise, and it isn't even turned ON yet!