Joe Schmo - Post-Show Discussion Thread

[Inundated]

It was suggested, and I was thinking about it...the farther we get away from the finale, the sillier it seems to talk about JS2 in the "Finale" thread.

So, here's our placeholder for whatever is left to talk about after the show... any news of a DVD or a JS3 (cross all those fingers!)...or anything else that appeals to Schmo-heads worldwide, here on the World HQ of Schmo-fandom!

:D

[wendiness]

Those ex-FORT posters here will take great delight in knowing the John is now using Ralph's photo when he posts. Sweet!

[Inundated]

Originally posted by wendiness
Those ex-FORT posters here will take great delight in knowing the John is now using Ralph's photo when he posts. Sweet!

It's Ralph in full Derek getup, with the tagline next to the picture and John's name... "Your Pompous British Host".

Now, last year, I'd have said John could get away with that tagline - without "British" - all on his own! ;)

[Fool Me Twice]

Will somebody please give me a brief synopsis of the FORT drama. I wasn't around then and it gets referenced here from time to time. Was there bloodshed involved or just hurt feelings?

[TIVOSciolist]

"Thanks to 'Joe Schmo 2,' Walsh has another chance at writing for television. He has signed a contract with Spike TV to discuss both writing and performing with the network. Meanwhile, in Washington, people in the street are asking him for autographs. "

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/life/2004/08/08fromdelawaretom.html

Fan Request No. 23 to Spike TV: If it hasn't already been done, sign up Amanda and Ingrid ASAP for future Spike TV appearances (preferably together).

Tim's the guy the Spike TV crowd would like as a pal. However, as apparent by the number of posts about Ingrid and Amanda on the various boards, there is a great demand to see more of these two intelligent and intriguing women.

[Fool Me Twice]

Some numbers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9835-2004Aug17.html "Joe Schmo 2." As with Fox's "Joe Millionaire," sometimes the joke just doesn't work twice. A paltry 703,000 viewers watched the wrap of "JS2" last week; 3.4 million had tuned in to the final episode of the first edition. Ouch!

[pmyers]

yikes!!! that is horrible!

[Graymalkin]

Oh, man, that BITES. Big time. Well, I can still hope for a DVD set.

[f44]

Meanwhile,

why can't the other shows using who ever cast "Joe Schmo" and "The Mole" for Stone Stanley? All of its people cast are fun to watch, and most importantly, seem to go on the shows for the experience rather than to boost their acting career.

[drumorgan]

I hate to admit it, but I still have 5 eps of JS2 on TiVo that I just can't bring myself to watch. For me, it just jumped the shark one day. I loved the first season, and was an active part of this thread for both shows. I thought the second season started out great and can't really pinpoint what made me lose interest. But, just being honest, I did. It seemed the more episodes that piled up on TiVo waiting for me to catch up, the harder it became to hit 'play'.

And, I love Stone Stanley productions, as some very good friends work there. I have not been let down by anything that has their name on it. Oh well. I'll try the next one.

[mrpayroll]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
Will somebody please give me a brief synopsis of the FORT drama. I wasn't around then and it gets referenced here from time to time. Was there bloodshed involved or just hurt feelings?

Well it started with muggum posting here and after awhile we all agreed he was the real thing. We then pointed him to The Fort, where there was one thread for the whole show. There wasn't a separate forum, but that original thread had over 5,000 posts by the end.

Well I started cross posting between the 2 forums, because sometimes muggum would post something at Tivo Community that he didn't at The Fort, that I thought the others would appreciate reading. And vice versa, he would post something at The Fort that people here didn't get to read, if they were not part of The Fort.

Well, John sent me a PM saying that I couldn't cross post messages from Tivo Community on The Fort and that he thought that the owners of Tivo Community wouldn't appreciate me cross posting The Fort messages here. Well no one ever cared over here. So I heeded his wishes, but I felt bad for the people over at The Fort.

We then had 3 or 4 of the cast members from Joe Schmo posting at both forums. But John rules his kingdom with a mighty hand and it rubbed some people the wrong way over there. Angie, Inundated, TIVOSciolist & wendiness (if I'm not mistaken), to name a few, didn't like his heavy handedness (sp??) and left there and exclusively posted here. Muggum also felt the same way and has only posted here for Joe Schmo II.

So there you have it, our little Joe Schmo drama! :)

Chris

[ruexp67]

I never saw JS1, and had it not been for TiVo I would never have caught all of the JS2 episodes.

I don't understand how SpikeTV can show NO support for a show. Some might even argue that SpikeTV actually went out of their way to NOT support the show. And then complain that it got no ratings. Seems like a self-fufilling prophesy to me.

I have to say that I have not laughed so hard at any TV show, possibly ever. JS2 was absolutly histerical and I could not afford to miss a second of it. I am very into cars, all things cars. Some might call me a gear-head. That said, JS2 was moved up on my season pass list so that it would supercede 'Rides' and 'Overhaulin' and any other car show on Tuesday nights.

The characters and actors did a great job, but I really liked Tim, Amanda, and Ingrid as they were not the typical idiot reality show morons. They are real people who seem like they would be fun to hang out with, but more than that they would be able to have intelligent conversation.

[wendiness]

Mr. Payroll is correct; John at the FORT got on my nerves, too. To add to the drama, John refused to give JSS its own forum on the grounds that it wasn't REALLY a reality show. He made it clear he didn't like the show one bit and was merely tolerating us. If I remember correctly, he even invited us to leave.

Well, finally, when JSS2 arrived, he actually WATCHED it. (Yes, his opinion had been based on, well, never having seen it.) Suddenly, he began posting comments like "pure genius!" and identified it as his favorite reality show. He actually took the time, I believe, to watch a DVD of JSS1. That's why his postings now including a photo of (Derek) Ralph, the Pompous British Host is so satisfying to those of us who lived the drama.

[pmyers]

Well....the Fort's loss and our gain. Glad to have you guys here. Now just don't forget that we do discuss other things than JS ;)

[pyhill]

I for one have discussed plenty of things besides JS but it really pisses me off that we keep hearing about poor ratings and such when the show aired at 11:00 at night on a channel that is not well known everywhere. Then "critics" try to give reasons other than the ones I just sited that it didn't do well when they probably didn't watch more than 20 minutes and are too dumb to understand the concept.

Until JS, I never even wrote on a TV message board!!! I don't watch much TV for that matter but I love this show. I think a lot of other people would have loved it too if 1.) they had known about it and 2.) it came on earlier. Spike really needs to rerun JS2 at a decent time with better advertising before biting the bullet on another run.

[YCantAngieRead]

Well, John sent me a PM saying that I couldn't cross post messages from Tivo Community on The Fort and that he thought that the owners of Tivo Community wouldn't appreciate me cross posting The Fort messages here.
Um...that part might be a tiny bit my fault. I'll explain if you like. Although if I am a little to blame, it means John totally misinterpreted something I said. Which irritates me.

John's got a good forum, if you feel like playing by his rules. I don't knock it because there are many people who do enjoy it. But after I complained a lot about not being given the chance to do separate threads for each JS episode (and various other things related to other shows), I started getting some nasty responses and such from various higher-up members. So that's why I left.

I am sorely disappointed in the numbers for JS2. I think I'm losing all my faith in either networks or the television watching public. I'd say more, but I probably would start cursing and flailing about, and that's just not pretty.

Edited for a note: Muggum, Ralph, Amanda, Ingrid, Moviemoose, whomever else might be reading-please don't consider this a failure. I know it must be somewhat painful to have gotten lower ratings. But remember-to those few who did watch it, this show was a resounding success, and we most certainly understand why this project was something to be immensely proud of because we're just as proud of you guys' work on it as you are about the show. Don't know if that helps, and you probably already know it, but it never hurts to say it aloud (or in print.)

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
Will somebody please give me a brief synopsis of the FORT drama. I wasn't around then and it gets referenced here from time to time. Was there bloodshed involved or just hurt feelings?

Each board has its own personality and rules. For example, Amanda was reprimanded on the Television Without Pity board last week because she ended one of her posts by signing it with her name. That's a big no-no there.

Some boards very strictly monitor each posting and will threaten anyone who might write something that is deemed off-topic or if (in the view of the moderator) there has been sufficient discussion on a particular sub-issue. FoRT was like that. The owner also made it very clear that the board was a dictatorship and that we were welcome to leave at any time.

You may notice that some of the Joe Schmo fans here, on occasion, go off on minor tangents (or as WHATISGOINGON?!? described in in the previous thread, engage in "ludicrous babblings"). I appreciate TiVo Community giving me the freedom to be a bit off-the-wall sometimes. That's the way I write.

TiVo Community's main rules that affect me are: (1) be nice and (2) your avatar, if you have one, must be a picture of you. I can live with these rules and I appreciate this board for being so welcoming.

The Internet has been a democratizing force. At the same time, it has allowed people lacking the means to put together their own army the ability to start their own virtual fiefdoms, establish their own laws, and set their own arbitrary standards for banishment. It has been a fascinating experiment because there is no cost to the participants to pull up roots and vote with their keyboards where they want to go.

I still visit the FoRT on occasion and am grateful for what it offers but prefer to post where the rules are more in line with how I prefer to live my life. (The Roman Empire also had strict rules but at least you were allowed to have blonde slaves from Gaul.)

[Graymalkin]

I wonder what the audience numbers are like for all those syndicated shows that air at 11 p.m. weeknights. I bet they can't be much higher than what JS2 got.

[YCantAngieRead]

TiVo Community's main rules that affect me are: (1) be nice and (2) your avatar, if you have one, must be a picture of you. I can live with these rules and I appreciate this board for being so welcoming.
And (3) Be careful about posting spoilers. Although, as I've mentioned, I think we've all tripped up on this one.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist
Each board has its own personality and rules. For example, Amanda was reprimanded on the Television Without Pity board last week because she ended one of her posts by signing it with her name. That's a big no-no there.

At the risk of veering off into more "ludicrous babblings"...

What IS it with the TWoP board? I can't, for the life of me, get an account there. Their "standards" seem a bit anal, frankly. I can certainly understand TWoP's desire to filter out the kiddiehackerz and other elements of the like. But someone like me, an adult who can reasonably write in the English language, isn't able to even get on the board. I don't know what the magic formula is. Some have speculated that perhaps someone else has had my username there, and has misbehaved, but I can't get other usernames, either.

Anyway, I appreciate the TiVo Community Forum, and its graciousness in hosting our little group, even when there's no direct show to talk about. TCF has a large and popular "Happy Hour" section where just about everything is discussed, and basically nothing is "off topic" (well, except for controversial stuff), so they wouldn't really have a lot to stand on if they told us to scatter to the winds. And I'm a regular participant in other TCF areas, not just Happy Hour...so please save the "go find out all the other stuff this board has to offer" speech if you're directing it at me...

(For about the 80th time...yes, I'm a TiVo owner, no, I didn't come here specifically to talk about JS, yes, I explore other sections of TCF, no, I'm not a newbie...I should put this in my signature file or something ;) )

[pmyers]

yikes...inudated. I sure hope you and everybody else wasn't thinking I was bashing you guys when I said that we do discuss other things here so check them out. All I meant was that surely you guys are passionate about other shows and I would love to have your insights to them as well. I definately didn't mean to russel up any feathers.

[TIVOSciolist]

Fan Request No. 28 to Spike TV: During Ingrid's last on-line chat, she made reference to Friedrich Nietzsche. Unfortunately, the typist misspelled the name (now corrected on the transcript) and made Ingrid look like, well, a (lower case) schmo. For any future on-line chats with Ingrid, we would request a typist conversant with 19th Century atheist Prussian philosophers.

[Supfreak26]

Looks like the last of the Schmo blogs...

http://schmoblog.spiketv.com/

[Fool Me Twice]

I finally read the chat with Tim and Amanda. Mr__Schmo: This question if for Tim, We all know that you despised Bryce,or as you nicknamed him "Cruiser", so did you feel relieved when you found out it was all just a character? Or was there still something inside you that wanted to punch him?
SpikeTV Guest: Tim: After I found out he was an actor I did not want to punch him. I thought he did a great job acting. When he said he was an actor it was my final piece in figuring it out. So, he figured it out...when they told him. :D

Nice job pal!

[For the record: I've been a big fan of Tim all along, but that's just funny!]

[Inundated]

Originally posted by pmyers
yikes...inudated. I sure hope you and everybody else wasn't thinking I was bashing you guys when I said that we do discuss other things here so check them out. All I meant was that surely you guys are passionate about other shows and I would love to have your insights to them as well. I definately didn't mean to russel up any feathers.

No problem...we're a bit sensitive about that around here, as it seems once every few weeks or so, someone calls notice to us "camped out" in these JS threads ;)

BTW, for what it's worth for my part, I've gotten into shows like "The Amazing Race" and "Monk", and you'll see me as a regular participant in those threads...along with some Happy Hour stuff, too.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by Supfreak26
Looks like the last of the Schmo blogs...

Sigh. It looks like "Joe" in any form...is dead. I almost feel like holding a wake or something!

Rest assured, Muggum, that I'll be around here to start the opening thread on your new show next month.

[pyhill]

Originally posted by pmyers
yikes...inudated. I sure hope you and everybody else wasn't thinking I was bashing you guys when I said that we do discuss other things here so check them out. All I meant was that surely you guys are passionate about other shows and I would love to have your insights to them as well. I definately didn't mean to russel up any feathers.

Not at all!!!!!! No bashing thoughts!!!!!

And No! I am not passionate enough about any other shows to post about them including JS1. JS2 is the only show I have ever posted about. I am pretty chatty in Happy Hour but this is the ONLY show on ANY site. This is only the second site that I have posted on (I lurk at many but quickly get bored) and the other site is sports dedicated. Don't get me wrong I liked JS1 but JS2 had me screeching with laughter. I am so pissed at Spikes nonpromotion of the show.

[YCantAngieRead]

But someone like me, an adult who can reasonably write in the English language, isn't able to even get on the board. I don't know what the magic formula is. Some have speculated that perhaps someone else has had my username there, and has misbehaved, but I can't get other usernames, either.
Don't worry-me too. I've been turned down a number of times. So it's not just you. :D

By the way, when I encouraged folks to venture out of the thread, I wasn't suggesting you leave this thread, by any means-and I don't think pmyers did, either. Viva La Schmo! My point, at least, was that I started out over here as a non-Tivo owner, and ventured forth into the other forums and found a great home on the internet. Plus, in the Now Playing section, we can use all the participants we can get on all types of shows-Tivo or not! Sometimes I think it's a little sparse in there. I'm pretty sure that's what we all meant when suggesting venturing out. Not to sound goofy and infomercial-ish, me looking around the rest of the website (all the while, still visiting the Schmo thread!) really kind of changed me when the members were so kind and generous to me.

I'm too sad to go read the Schmo Blog. :(

[RTOlson]

I know everyone's bummed that JS2 didn't do as well as everyone hoped. But sometimes these things are for the best. Muggum and everyone else will be able to move on and do more exciting and innovative things.

Also, somethings are best in small doses. I get more pleasure from a six-episode season of a BBC show than I would from a 26-episode season of most American sitcoms. In my opinion, the two series of Joe Schmo will stand apart from their reality counterparts.

One thing that's been bemoaned by many TV network is that realty programming can't be repeated often. I don't know if that's the case for JS, but I know that Schmo is a series that I would enjoy watching over and over again.

Although, I'm sure many of us will stay around the TCF, I want to say right now that it's been great speaking with everyone out there. Hopefully, there will be a little bit of that schmo spirit inside all of us as we move forward.

[Section426]

Even if it was just to make the point of the big ratings drop from Season 1 to Season 2, it is insulting for the writer of the TV article referenced earlier in this thread to have mentioned JS and Joe Millionaire in the same sentence.

Muggum said that Joe Schmo has probably run its course. As long as he didn't say it has DEFINITELY run its course, then there is still some hope. Maybe the new all-reality channel that's supposedly coming out will need some original, high-quality programming.

[YCantAngieRead]

Just read the Schmo Blog. I hate the fact that this television gem was so grossly underappreciated. I think I'm going to cry myself to sleep. Or at least curse the majority of American television viewers and their poor taste. One or the other.

[JYoung]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
I've wandered around a bit too. I do feel guilty about not owning a Tivo though and I'm grateful to the TCF for welcoming the refugees of the Schmo diaspora.

That's easily solved. Just go down to Besy Buy and get one of those orange boxes.....

[muggum]

Here, here, Angie! =)

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by Inundated
What IS it with the TWoP board? I can't, for the life of me, get an account there.
Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Don't worry-me too. I've been turned down a number of times. So it's not just you. :D
I'm now getting a little paranoid about being seen around you two for fear that my TWoP account will get canceled. :)

[jdp932]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Just read the Schmo Blog. I hate the fact that this television gem was so grossly underappreciated. I think I'm going to cry myself to sleep. Or at least curse the majority of American television viewers and their poor taste. One or the other.

Working on the latter... already sort of did the first. *Doesn't want to admit that he cries for fear of losing his manlihood* ;)

The Blog was depressing. I think I've dropped into an even further PSD. :(

[DiMiT]

PSD

...:(
I have some thoughts but will write em laters

'psd

[Dear Prudence]

Everyone was speculating a relationship between Amanda and Tim, but what about Muggum and Ingrid? I don't know why I have that feeling, and maybe it was touched on before...

[moviemoose]

An interesting article in Television Week regarding Spike TV. It discusses a marketing study commissioned by Spike "after Stripperella and before Joe Schmo 2" to determine male attitudes toward what they want to watch. Apparently, it is influencing many of their current and future decisions.

Now, I can go into a lengthy speech about the wisdom of ratings, marketing surveys, focus groups and other "tools" of the industry. I will simply state that a good gut instinct seems to be just as accurate in predicting a TV series success as any of these tools.

I sincerely hope that someone will see past the numbers to make a third series, perhaps even seeing far enough past them to move the show to another Viacom owned network where it might find the audience that did not even know it existed on Spike.

You learn to develop a thick skin in this business. I have worked on many shows that have been universally praised and were ratings bombs, as well as total trash that ended up becoming a huge hit (that horrible woman that bugged her eyes out on Guinness World Records... that was one of mine..) And I have managed to combine both critical and ratings failure (my current show has been called "pointless and virtually unwatchable").

I sometimes wonder if quality and success are mutually exclusive. But I do see shows that manage to combine both, and that seems to be the holy grail in this industry.

For me, until I find that magic combination, I can take comfort in two things. Working with good people, like Muggum, Paul and the rest of the JS2 team, and hearing praises from those people that do like the work, regardless of what the critics and ratings say.

[pmyers]

Originally posted by moviemoose
...(my current show has been called "pointless and virtually unwatchable")...

I didn't realize you were working on The Casino ;)

[SparkleMotion]

Didn't Spike! rerun JS1 a time or two?

Maybe a decent word of mouth could still save the second go-round's numbers?

I dunno...I'm just trying to be hopeful I guess. :(

[warrenn]

Originally posted by Section426
Even if it was just to make the point of the big ratings drop from Season 1 to Season 2, it is insulting for the writer of the TV article referenced earlier in this thread to have mentioned JS and Joe Millionaire in the same sentence.



I completely agree. I actually watched the whole JM2 series and it stunk! The enjoyment came from seeing how bad it was. You could tell people didn't care about JM2 because it had almost no forum activity. No one felt like discussing the show.

Contrast that with JS2. The weekly show discussion thread would usually have over 50 posts to it before the episode even aired! We watched the show because we loved it and it was great entertainment.

Did you know that the final episode for My Big, Fat, Obnoxious Fiance had like 20 million viewers? That show was pretty bad, but it was on Fox, so it could generate an audience. If it was on Spike, would anyone have watched it?

I can't be too mad at Spike because they did give us two Joe Schmo series, but it's sad that we won't get any more series because it was on Spike.

[mrpayroll]

Originally posted by Dear Prudence
Everyone was speculating a relationship between Amanda and Tim, but what about Muggum and Ingrid? I don't know why I have that feeling, and maybe it was touched on before...

I believe Rhett is married or has a girlfriend. :)

Chris

[moviemoose]

Originally posted by pmyers
I didn't realize you were working on The Casino ;)

No...worse.. "The Player"... so bad there is not even a forum for it here..

[warrenn]

Originally posted by moviemoose
No...worse.. "The Player"... so bad there is not even a forum for it here..

Are you kidding? That's a great show! The editing blows me away every week! :)

Seriously, though, it's not too bad. Sometimes the players remind me of the people on Blind Date, so it kind of has that feel to it. Needs more clips of frogs and falcons, though :)

[pmyers]

Originally posted by moviemoose
No...worse.. "The Player"... so bad there is not even a forum for it here..

ugh...now I'll have to at least watch one episode just because I know your working on it ;)

[moviemoose]

Originally posted by warrenn
. Needs more clips of frogs and falcons, though :)

My sentiments exactly... If it helps, there will be crocodiles next week...

[YCantAngieRead]

You learn to develop a thick skin in this business. I have worked on many shows that have been universally praised and were ratings bombs, as well as total trash that ended up becoming a huge hit (that horrible woman that bugged her eyes out on Guinness World Records... that was one of mine..)
Holy crap. I think I've had nightmares about that. Good going! :D ;)
No...worse.. "The Player"... so bad there is not even a forum for it here..
Here's the problem with "The Player" for me-it comes right after Amish In The City. I mean, it's an interesting study in contrasts, but geez. You could get moral whiplash watching those two shows in a row.

It's not *that* unwatchable. I've watched a bit of it, myself. But I'll catch another episode, just because.

(By the way, just because there isn't a forum for it here doesn't mean it sucks. I've watched a couple of shows that were pretty good that I barely got one or two responses to when I started threads. )

And I too have wondered about the Ingrid/Muggum thing. Talk about a story you could tell your grandkids. Geez!

[Dear Prudence]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead

And I too have wondered about the Ingrid/Muggum thing. Talk about a story you could tell your grandkids. Geez!

So I'm not crazy!!!! If they're not a couple, maybe they should think about it!!

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by mrpayroll
I believe Rhett is married or has a girlfriend. :)

Chris
Muggum: "My ex-girlfriend and I watched every single 'Bachelor' and 'Bachelorette' in history, plus 'For Love or Money,' even 'Mr. Personality.'"

http://schmoblog.spiketv.com/2004/06/welcome_to_the_.html

Ingrid: In addition, I feel as if Rhett has been really good about reaching out to us Schmos at the end of the show and I hope that friendship will continue after the end of the show. Does that sound like I'm hitting on Rhett? Cuz I am..

http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/joeschmo/transcripts/week4.jhtml

Now that we've concluded that Inundated and muggum are probably not dating, we can start other rumors for amusement.

By the way, muggum's movie, "Cruel Intentions 3," was released in Hungary last week.

[Dear Prudence]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist

Now that we've concluded that Inundated and muggum are probably not dating, we can start other rumors for amusement.

By the way, muggum's movie, "Cruel Intentions 3," was released in Hungary last week. [/B]

It's not really a rumor, I was just wondering.
Also, didn't Muggum only say that Inundated wasn't the problem between him and his ex-girlfriend. I don't think he ever denied they were dating!

[YCantAngieRead]

Just a thought:
Perhaps the weeks after a project that was toiled, sweat and bled over only to be poo-pooed by a majority of Americans (who are morons, if I haven't already said that) isn't the optimal time to bring up someone's former relationships.

:D

Edited for a note: 32 years-old with two different degrees in communication and language and the best I could come up with was "poo-pooed." :)

[Inundated]

And to note, for whomever is curious, I am very much a heterosexual male. I don't believe anything else is worth discussing or getting too personal about. All the other stuff above was a joke in someone's mind. Move on, nothing to see here! :)

[melsbud]

Chin up, moviemoose, The Player's not that bad. I mean, from an editor's point of view, at least you had reels and reels of that "pajama party" to sift through!

But be honest with us: How much input do the producers have in influencing Dawn's decision? As pompous as that lawyer was, JJ was unbearable. Is it a pleasure to paint every single person in such a bad light? It can't be that hard. (I don't mean that as a slight to you - it's the best part of the show. It makes me embrace my single-hood.) :)

[wendiness]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Just a thought:
Perhaps the weeks after a project that was toiled, sweat and bled over only to be poo-pooed by a majority of Americans (who are morons, if I haven't already said that) isn't the optimal time to bring up someone's former relationships.



I get your point and share your pain. But I wouldn't characterize this as a project that was poo-pooed by a majority of Americans since that seems to the problem itself - not enough Americans knew about it. Of the ones who did, it was a rip-roaring success.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by wendiness
I get your point and share your pain. But I wouldn't characterize this as a project that was poo-pooed by a majority of Americans since that seems to the problem itself - not enough Americans knew about it. Of the ones who did, it was a rip-roaring success.

Indeed. And it's hard to underestimate how little people knew about this show. It didn't get nearly the curiosity press coverage the first show got, for one. Compared to the relatively wide net cast in the first show's pre-airing time, where I believe there was even an AP article about the "new concept"...the coverage was much thinner this time around. About the only major national outlet to give ANY press to the show - pre-airing - was TV Guide, and even that was relatively minor.

There was a minor wave of press after the Ingrid reveal, but not much. A few diehard TV writers continued pushing the show - like the KC Star's Aaron Barnhart, and the guy up in Seattle - but it was a trickle this time.

America didn't know JS2 existed, basically.

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by moviemoose
An interesting article in Television Week regarding Spike TV. It discusses a marketing study commissioned by Spike "after Stripperella and before Joe Schmo 2" to determine male attitudes toward what they want to watch. Apparently, it is influencing many of their current and future decisions.

Now, I can go into a lengthy speech about the wisdom of ratings, marketing surveys, focus groups and other "tools" of the industry. I will simply state that a good gut instinct seems to be just as accurate in predicting a TV series success as any of these tools.
http://www.tvweek.com/article.cms?articleId=25835 (registration required)

They do seem rather clueless. Did they really need a marketing study to point out that "men have tremendous anxiety about their work," and "only 4 percent of the respondents have ever had a facial" (thus debunking the modern myth of the meterosexual)? Well, no.

It's rather well known in the business world that executives use consultants and marketing research to support their own predetermined decisions. That way, when the newly implemented strategy fails they can fire the consultants for making such a huge error, thus deflecting the blame that deserves to be placed squarely on their own shoulders.

At any rate, I never bought into the whole 'Network for Men' idea. Star Trek, for example, is not the manliest of shows. It seems to appeal to men and women equally. Yet, you won't see Spike dumping that from their lineup. It's been far too successful.

If JS2 had done as well as JS1 it would most certainly be around for a third installment. Money talks. Which makes the constant schedule reshuffling all the more confusing. Why try to force Joe Schmo onto the WWE audience. Isn't it possible (obvious?) that Spike has viewers who don't watch wrestling? Positioning Joe Schmo after Raw did seem to help at first, but those extra viewers quickly disappeared. Can the typical WWE fan understand or appreciate parody?

It all makes conspiratorial musings seem reasonable.

[DiMiT]

It all makes conspiratorial musings seem reasonable.

agreed ...

wholeheartedly!

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
http://www.tvweek.com/article.cms?articleId=25835 (registration required)

They do seem rather clueless. Did they really need a marketing study to point out that "men have tremendous anxiety about their work," and "only 4 percent of the respondents have ever had a facial" (thus debunking the modern myth of the meterosexual)? Well, no.

Thanks for the link. There's also an interesting article on the TV Week site about the changing economics for reality programming.

http://www.tvweek.com/article.cms?articleId=25813

Try ID: bug@menot.com, Password: bugmenot, if you don't want to register. (From www.bugmenot.com)

P.S. I love going to the aesthetician.

[YCantAngieRead]

I get your point and share your pain. But I wouldn't characterize this as a project that was poo-pooed by a majority of Americans since that seems to the problem itself - not enough Americans knew about it. Of the ones who did, it was a rip-roaring success.
I hate the internet. Most of that was tongue-in-cheek, y'know, for comic effect (while still trying to gently make a point.) I wasn't making any kind of statement. I'm misunderstood like that a lot. :D

[Inundated]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
If JS2 had done as well as JS1 it would most certainly be around for a third installment. Money talks. Which makes the constant schedule reshuffling all the more confusing. Why try to force Joe Schmo onto the WWE audience. Isn't it possible (obvious?) that Spike has viewers who don't watch wrestling? Positioning Joe Schmo after Raw did seem to help at first, but those extra viewers quickly disappeared. Can the typical WWE fan understand or appreciate parody?

While it seemed almost necessary to move the first airing to post-WWE, due to the lackluster ratings the first couple of weeks...this has been bothering me, too.

I get the idea that of the million-ish or so viewers who ended up sticking with our favorite show after the wrasslers wrapped up, a small fraction were there for any other reason besides the fact that there were some attractive women on the show. Heck, Jana Speaker herself is probably responsible for most of the WWE carryover. ;)

And we get back to the main point many of us have made...while we appreciate Spike TV for allowing this thing to happen in the first place, the show is mostly horribly out of place on that network...a network non-wrestling-watching Americans may have major trouble even finding.

[Graymalkin]

BTW, the word is spelled "pooh-poohed". From dictionary.com:

pooh-pooh tr.v. Informal pooh-·poohed, pooh-·pooh·ing, pooh-·poohs

To express contempt for or impatience about; make light of: “British actors have long pooh-poohed the Method” (Stephen Schiff).

[YCantAngieRead]

From both articles, first on Spike:
The results, which the network will release Aug. 16, have been frequently used by Spike TV executives in recent months to make programming and marketing decisions.
To play endless reruns of Overdramatic Man and his World's Biggest Morons Get Into Police Chases? I have trouble with a network that thinks reruns of anything is better than original programming. But maybe that's more of a money issue. But still.

(By the way, I'm wondering if any of the shows described in this article would be the one Muggum referred to. And I know he can't comment on it. So I'm just idly wondering. :D)

In 2000 the MTV reality pioneer "Real World," according to Nielsen Media Research, eked out an 0.7 average in households for two seasons. Sister program "Road Rules" entered the market in 2002-03, garnering a 1.1 household season average.

For the 2003-04 season, "Road Rules" household number shrank to 0.6.
So why aren't these shows being compared to Joe Millionaire (other than the obvious crappy sequel theory)? Why are they still on the air, for that matter?

Edited for a note: Can I buy a couple of H's? :D

[mrpayroll]

Originally posted by Graymalkin
BTW, the word is spelled "pooh-poohed". From dictionary.com:

pooh-pooh tr.v. Informal pooh-·poohed, pooh-·pooh·ing, pooh-·poohs

To express contempt for or impatience about; make light of: “British actors have long pooh-poohed the Method” (Stephen Schiff).


I'm sorry, but as an employee of Disney, I am going to have to ask you to refrain from using the word 'Pooh' since it is copywrited!:mad:

Chris ;)

[Graymalkin]

Copyrighted. ;)

If I'm appearing to be unusually prissy today, I used to be a copy editor. Old habits die hard.

[SparkleMotion]

Originally posted by Graymalkin
Copyrighted. ;)

If I'm appearing to be unusually prissy today, I used to be a copy editor. Old habits die hard. I'm sorry, but as an employee of 20th Century Fox, I am going to have to ask you to refrain from using the phrase "Die Hard" since it is...uh...trademarked.


:D

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
Why try to force Joe Schmo onto the WWE audience. Isn't it possible (obvious?) that Spike has viewers who don't watch wrestling? Positioning Joe Schmo after Raw did seem to help at first, but those extra viewers quickly disappeared. Can the typical WWE fan understand or appreciate parody?

We now know that counting on a bunch of sleepy WWE wrestling fans who are too tired to change the channel at 11:05 p.m. may result in a temporary jump in the ratings but will not create any meaningful brand loyalty.

I still think that my idea of giving Tim a costume and putting him into the WWE ring had some merit. Once you become a character in the WWE universe, the fans will follow you anywhere. (A bunch of them even drove hours and braved crossing an international border to get to a WWE show in Toronto.) Certainly they would have tuned into the Tuesday finale to watch Tim-the-Caped-Bartender (or Amanda-the-Kickball-Killer).

A few years ago, someone at my office was stealing people's lunches from the refrigerators. I suggested to management that, if they simply repealed the section in the employee manual barring people from bringing firearms to work, the problem would take care of itself.

Everyone ignored me back then also.

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist
www.bugmenot.com Cool! Life just got a little easier.

[pyhill]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
At any rate, I never bought into the whole 'Network for Men' idea.

You got that right! My husband will not watch Spike and I watch it all the time. He on the other hand will turn on the Lifetime channel to watch a movie. To look at us, you would never believe it.

[mrpayroll]

Originally posted by Graymalkin
Copyrighted. ;)

If I'm appearing to be unusually prissy today, I used to be a copy editor. Old habits die hard.

Damn it! I knew it looked wrong and I even put it thru Word to check the spelling, but I still got it wrong! :(

Chris

[Inundated]

Re: "First Network for Men"...in addition to many addicted female JS fans (many of whom are right here :)), I also laugh at that line. It might be the "Network for Men" if you are aiming at the 18-30 beer swilling and burping demographic...and I'm definitely out of that category. And I wasn't even there when I WAS under 30!

[melsbud]

Hey, TIVOSciolist, you've got your avatar up! Good stuff! I'll get around to mine soon...after a few more weeks of Atkins. Followed by a few more weeks of carb binging. And so the cycle goes. :rolleyes:

[pyhill]

Originally posted by melsbud
Hey, TIVOSciolist, you've got your avatar up! Good stuff! I'll get around to mine soon...after a few more weeks of Atkins. Followed by a few more weeks of carb binging. And so the cycle goes. :rolleyes:

Totally no fair!!! The picture of me is a fat picture, presurgury (breast reduction) and my hair is all frizzy because it was incredibly humid in Hawaii. My hair was twice that length strait. Now my hair is light brown with blond highlights and much straiter these days...and I was a strawberry blond in between. Give up the pic!!

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by pyhill
Totally no fair!!! The picture of me is a fat picture, presurgury (breast reduction) and my hair is all frizzy because it was incredibly humid in Hawaii. My hair was twice that length strait. Now my hair is light brown with blond highlights and much straiter these days...and I was a strawberry blond in between. Give up the pic!! I've always thought that your avatar makes you look like an escapee from Madame Tussaud's. :D

[pyhill]

Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
I've always thought that your avatar makes you look like an escapee from Madame Tussaud's. :D

LOL!! I knew there was something I like about you.

Now put up you d--m avatar :p :p :p

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by pyhill
LOL!! I knew there was something I like about you.

Now put up you d--m avatar :p :p :p I meant that in the best possible way!

I started to put up my avatar, but I looked too much like a cross between Steve Irwin and the Brawny paper towel guy. :D

[pyhill]

So you will better than me - I'm ok with that.

[Cjt90]

Just thought Id let you know that Kip from JS1 was on Monk last night he was the Car Salesman

[YCantAngieRead]

Are you kidding me??? I so TOTALLY didn't catch that.

Good episode of Monk, though.

That's actually very cool, and a testament to Lance's abilities-this is his third appearance on the show (although the only other big [sorta] role he had, he was dressed in full clown garb, so not very recognizable.) They must like him.

[Inundated]

I didn't recognize Lance the first time around, and am now watching it again...

And it's weird.

I'm watching Tony Shalhoub, playing Adrian Monk, in an altered state from his usual character self, across the table from Lance Krall, playing a car salesman, in a much different role than not only "Kip" in JS1, but his OTHER character appearances on that show.

Hang on, my mind is reeling!

[MitchO]

I recognized him right away. My wife just cocked her head and said "Who is that?" :) I chuckled~

[Astro7x]

Muggum SERIOUSLY needs to update us on Season 2 DVD info. It will be a shame if we don't get a DVD, so many things could be done with it...

Maybe if it sells well it will get revived like Family Guy ;)

[Inundated]

I'm sure Muggum will check in here if he knows anything about a JS2 DVD.

Something related to JS1, on my end... I just got a new cell phone. Among its many strengths, it can play MP3 files as ringtones and other tones...and guess what I moved over to it? You guessed it, MKG's official "WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!?!". ;)

For now, I'm going slow, and have that assigned to the notification for incoming voicemail.

[TIVOSciolist]

I've been going over and over in my head what muggum and others have theorized were the reasons why JS2 did not do as well as hoped. I remain frustrated over the things that were controllable (at little cost) or foreseeable. However, I've also come away thinking that, in some respects, JS2 actually did pretty well considering the obstacles thrown in its way.

1. There was very little pre-show promotion. In over two months, I've seen only one JS2 press kit (with a tape of episode #1 and an informational CD) for sale on eBay. Considering the large numbers of DVDs of the JS1 finale (distributed for Emmy consideration) that have been for sale on eBay, I am led to conclude that very few press kits were sent out.

There were some outdoor ads in New York City--but nothing that anyone noticed in the D.C. area, where our three Schmos live.

2. There were very few pre-show news articles. I found only one feature article about Ingrid by her hometown paper and a few articles about Jonathan Torrens by the Canadian press.

For Joe Millionaire II, there were quite a few articles about the new series before it started. Journalists love to opine on whether a sequel to a prior hit will succeed. JS2 didn't even get much of that, possibly because of Item #1 above.

3. Basketball. The premiere of JS2 coincided with the NBA basketball finals. We lost much of the male audience as well as the people who don't like to jump into a series that's already started. (I sometimes wonder if even professional sports-mad Amanda watched the JS2 premiere live.)

4. Scheduling. Spike TV decided to move the show to 10 p.m. on Tuesday, which lost people who can't stay up that late. In doing so, Spike TV put JS2 up against hits "Nip/Tuck"; the sanitized version of "Sex in the City"; and its sister Viacom program, "The Amazing Race 5." Because of excellent casting this season, TAR5 (which I also love) finally consistently breaks into the top 10 each week in ratings. To add insult to injury, Spike TV shows TAR5 commercials during JS2.

At 9 p.m., the JS2 premiere would have had a one-week head start on "Outback Jack." JS2 probably could have held its own against "Blow Out," which started a week earlier to 645,000 viewers and was considered a success for Bravo. At 8 p.m., JS2's main competition would have been "Queer Eye."

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=2621

5. Poor planning by Viacom, Spike TV, and/or MTV. A cross-promotion of Episode #1 of JS2 is shown on MTV on a Saturday night with almost no publicity. (TV Guide had the showing listed as "To be Announced" on its TV grid.) For weeks, TV Guide fails to list JS2 in its "What's New this Week" section or even to add the word "New" next to the JS2 listing. For Survivor, TV Guide usually includes a basic description such as "A 5th contestant is voted out." For the printed version of TV Guide, there is nothing for JS2. JS2 is afforded the same status as a "Three's Company" rerun.

6. Inconsistent repeat showings of JS2. There were many people who missed the finale because they had gotten used to there being repeats. There was no repeat of the finale. A JS2 marathon, instead of being shown on a weekend (as with JS1), is shown the same day as the finale and with little prior promotion. A week before, the start time is changed from 1 p.m. to 9 a.m. (which meant that the lead-in would now be an infomercial). The same people who cannot stay up late on Monday nights to watch JS2 are the same people who cannot watch a JS2 marathon shown during the middle of a work day. By the time these people got home, the marathon was over. Had the marathon stayed at 1 p.m., people tuning in after getting home would have had a strong lead-in to the finale.

I don't know the ratings for the premiere. However, the ratings for Episode #2 were 418,000 people. One happy way to look at this is to say that JS2's ratings went up over 67% in time for the finale.

Ratings for 6/22/04: http://www.tvrules.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5109

A famous movie director in the Soviet Union once commented on the difficulties of making films and noted that there was actually one great benefit to the totalitarian bureaucracy. Namely, once you got your project approved (which was admittedly difficult to do), all of the doors opened and everyone did his or her best to help you.

Watching what happened to JS2, I feel as though there were two parts of the Spike TV bureaucracy (possibly even within the body of a single executive) working against each other: a good Spike (which approved doing JS2) and a somewhat clueless Spike (which handled the logistics of putting it on the air).

At this point, I'm thinking that JS2 would have fared much better if we only had a few more communists working at Spike TV.

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist
I don't know the ratings for the premiere. http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=2666

Debuting Tuesday, June 15, Joe Schmo 2 drew only 596,000 overall viewers for its premiere, a figure that was not only below the numbers drawn by last fall's premiere of the original Joe Schmo, but far below the 3.4 million viewers who tuned in for the program's October 2003 finale. At the time, analysts attributed Schmo 2's disappointing opening to a poor performance in the network's core male demographics (0.6/2 in Men 18-34 and 0.4/1 in Men 18-49) due to ABC's broadcast of the NBA Finals fifth and final game.

The next week's episode failed to do any better however, with the June 22 second episode only drawing 418,000 viewers, a frustrating 30% decline from the premiere's already low numbers. http://www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA435160&display=Programming

The highly touted reality show debuted June 15 in the Tuesday 10 p.m. slot to a 0.5 household rating, followed the next week by a 0.4.

However, the skein’s June 28 original episode airing — the first at 11 p.m., after the WWE show — produced a 1.1 rating, according to Spike. In its July 5 airing, the series posted a 0.9 rating, according to the network.

“Joe Schmo 2 has been moved to Monday night after Raw, the number one show on cable. We have attracted on average one million viewers with this switch,” said a network spokesman.

[TIVOSciolist]

I walked into a Chinese restaurant in Oakland and saw a menu item written in Chinese posted on the wall for “field chicken.” “What the heck is a ‘field chicken’?,” I thought.

After some investigation, it turns that “field chicken” is another way in Southern China of saying “frog.” (A person from Northern China would have been as confused as I was.) The name came about because the farmers would also raise frogs for food in their flooded rice fields.

Apparently, the North American joke about all strange meats tasting like chicken is more universal than we thought.

I miss you, Everett.

[YCantAngieRead]

Which reminds me. I saw an obituary in our newspaper in the last week for Everett Reese Lastname.*

*A made up last name, of course. I can't actually remember the real one.

[pyhill]

My husband killed my beta, Oscar, a month ago (as he has done with all fish left in his custody) and I feel like I have morned long enough. I think Everett would be splendid name for the new one. I occasionally hold up a mirror for kicks and can name his reflection Montecore.

[Agent0042]

Stuck to ODB - I think this is the new show that Rhett mentioned in the blog that will premiere on September 14 at 10 P.M. More info here (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/08-12-2004/0002230623&EDATE=).

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by Agent0042
Stuck to ODB - I think this is the new show that Rhett mentioned in the blog that will premiere on September 14 at 10 P.M. More info here (http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/08-12-2004/0002230623&EDATE=). I don't believe that I could possibly express my excitement any better than this fan from the official 'Wu-Tang Clan' website (http://www.wutangcorp.com/news/getarticle/article/577/):hahahahahahhahaha!!!!!! yeah, u doin it nigga, keep yo head up Dirty. Scream on that cable sattelite sh-t, fr real kid! bout time those big dumbys reckongnize the god,word.If it's Rhett's, I guess I'll check it out. I guess.

[pyhill]

If it's Rhett's then it's great for me since I am fan of (good) Rap. ODB is certainly better than some of the new artists that have come out recently.

[muggum]

No comment on whether that's the show, but the release date has been postponed indefinitely. No longer middle of Sept. I'll let you you guys know as soon as I can say more!

R

[BrentTivo]

Originally posted by Inundated
Among its many strengths, it can play MP3 files as ringtones and other tones...and guess what I moved over to it? You guessed it, MKG's official "WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!?!". ;)


Hi Innundated, is there a place on the internet where that mp3 file can be downloaded? I'd love to have it as a sound on my PC. :)

[YCantAngieRead]

No comment on whether that's the show, but the release date has been postponed indefinitely. No longer middle of Sept. I'll let you you guys know as soon as I can say more!
Damn it! You guys can't catch a break these days, can you? That's rotten.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by BrentTivo
Hi Innundated, is there a place on the internet where that mp3 file can be downloaded? I'd love to have it as a sound on my PC. :)

Hi, Brennt! :)

I went searching and couldn't find a direct download...I thought it was in one of the other JS threads, but can't find it.

I did find this link, which features a large picture of MKG, and a loop of the sound in some format...not sure if it can be downloadable somehow.

http://whatisgoingon.ytmnd.com

If I recall correctly, the downloadable version (actually a simple WAV file) was sitting somewhere on Angela Dodson's Web site...Angela, of course, played Molly in JS1. Perhaps someone who has her site bookmarked could chime in with the rest!

I got mine directly, by pulling it off the TiVo with an audio cable.

[scooterboy]

Well I watched the finale one more time before deleting it, and I still teared up at the end. Damn that waiflike Valerie and her tears of concern for Tim!

If this doesn't come out on DVD we'll sue, I tell ya! Sue! :)

[BrentTivo]

Thanks, Innundated. I found Angela's site (interested to read that she is signing copies of the Schmo DVD at stores!), but didn't see the wav file. I will probably record it once I get the Schmo DVD, which will be any day now. Thanks for your kelp :)

[Agent0042]

Hmm, so Stuck to ODB may or may not be Rhett's new show and may or may not be airing on September 14th? I'm confused.

I'm the one who created the WAV that was posted at the Angela Dodson site. Unfortunately, it seems like most of the content was removed from that site: adodson.50megs.com

I still have the file on my hard drive if anyone wants it though. I can even up it my personal site if you guys like.


P.S.: I just saw the newest post. That's the official site. The WAV was posted on the unofficial site I mentioned, which seems to be defunct.

[BrentTivo]

Hi Agent. Like your TVTome site. If you could figure out a way to post the wav file, I would like that very much. Save me a lot of work getting it from the DVD. Thanks!

[boywaja]

if you want the wav see this thread:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2159618#post2159618

There is a link directly to the wav file on the addodson site as well as the same file which ytmnd is calling from another server.

Both links work as of right now.

[DLiquid]

Originally posted by Agent0042
Hmm, so Stuck to ODB may or may not be Rhett's new show and may or may not be airing on September 14th? I'm confused.Maybe ODB protested when he found out about the Joe Schmo connection. Didn't he once so eloquently say: "Shame on a n*gga that tries to run game on a n*gga"? ;)

What a bizarre concept for a show. :D

[TIVOSciolist]

I was checking my recording of the eight-hour JS2 marathon to make sure there was no screw-up in the taping. (Sorry, I don't own a TIVo yet). I noticed quite a few commercials for Enzyte, the alleged (and intentionally vaguely promoted) "male enhancement" pill. This reminded me of a couple of questions I've been meaning to ask:

Amanda and Ingrid:

During your JS2 lie detector examinations, when you were asked if you would still accept Austin if he became seriously injured in a gardening accident and was no longer able to perform his manly duties,

1. What did you say?
2. Were you lying?

[Agent0042]

Sounds like things are okay with the WAV then.

About the lie detector test: I thought that Ingrid and Amanda didn't do one. Did I miss something somewhere that said that they did and they just didn't show it?

[Inundated]

Our Man Muggum(tm) mentioned that they did indeed do the lie detector test for the women, and said they cut it...he said the only thing that might have been good was the aforementioned "gardening accident" line TS posted above...

[TIVOSciolist]

Probably the best way to increase the odds of there being a Joe Schmo 2 DVD is to buy The Joe Schmo Show DVD now out there. If any of you are planning to buy the DVD and want to support Angela Dodson, who played "Molly the Virgin" in the first season, here is the message board for her website:

http://p078.ezboard.com/bangelaslounge

The link at the top of the page, "Buy Your Own DVD Copy of The Joe Schmo Show Today," will take you to Amazon.com to buy the DVD plus anything else you want, either now or in the future.

I'm a little late, but I finally placed my Joe Schmo DVD order this morning. While I was at it, I also threw in a wireless broadband router, a CD, and book with my order.

[BrentTivo]

Thanks, Boywaja!

[Inundated]

I've seen signs the first season DVD is actually selling...at least somewhere. Each time I go into a video section of a store, or a video store, I check it out and see if A) the store has it and B) if it seems to have sold any. The last time was at a local Circuit City, I believe it was, where there was only a "Display Only" box of the JS1 DVD left. I'd have to assume that means that people bought the ones that were there...

I just signed up for Netflix, and they do have the JS1 DVD, in case you're a member and looking to rent it.

Buy it...buy it soon, buy it often! You don't have to buy two like I did (one for a gift for a friend, one for keeps)...but spreading the Schmo-love is likely to win you new friends.

This message was not sponsored by Reese Wernick Productions.

;)

[Fool Me Twice]

Did I just see Franklin Dennis Jones (Earl, JS1) in a U.S. Cellular commercial? If I had a TiVo...Oh well.

[BrentTivo]

There's a website where you can go to vote for a TV show that you would like to see released on DVD. I don't know how influential it is, but the site has been around for close to three years, as far as I can tell from the FAQ. So, it might be a valuable tool for trying to get Paramount Home Video (who owns the rights, according to the site) to release JS2 on DVD. The url is

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/

[Inundated]

Just added my vote. Voted for all possible versions, just to cover myself ;) There have been 66 votes for a JS2 DVD so far...

Hey, a guy can hope!

[BrentTivo]

And it's currently ranked 1916th among unreleased TV shows getting votes on their list. We can do better!

[Agent0042]

Hmm, maybe it's time to repost the link in the News section of my guide. I'll do it later today.

Thanks for the info on the womens' lie-detector. Maybe another cut scene to add to the DVD.

[drumorgan]

I'm getting rid of my Lap of Luxury robe from the first season. It was never my style. I took it to one of those ebay seller stores near my house. Not sure what it is worth, though. As fans here, what would you suggest I start the price at?

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by drumorgan
I'm getting rid of my Lap of Luxury robe from the first season. It was never my style. I took it to one of those ebay seller stores near my house. Not sure what it is worth, though. As fans here, what would you suggest I start the price at?

From the first season thread:

Originally posted by drumorgan
I just got my Lap of Luxury bathrobe. I'll scan the picture of me in it when I get this roll developed. It's just a robe from the show. But, I want to know what happened to the pimp robe of immunity? That is the one I want. Anyone?

Does this mean we'll have to look at your eBay listing to finally see the promised pictures of you in the LoL bathrobe?

[YCantAngieRead]

All the ups and downs we've been having in my family this month with my Grandfather's health just reminded me-I'm not sure she checks in here, but Ingrid, DID your Grandfather make it through to the end? :D

[Graymalkin]

I just voted for Joe Schmo 2 DVD at that Web site, BrentTiVo. Thanks for the tip!

[Fool Me Twice]

For what it's worth: Ralph Garmin is on Family Guy tonight doing the voice of Paul Simon. The episode is called, "I Am Peter, Hear Me Roar". Fox, 8pm Central Time.

[drumorgan]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist
From the first season thread:



Does this mean we'll have to look at your eBay listing to finally see the promised pictures of you in the LoL bathrobe?

Ha ha, too funny. I didn't realize people were actually waiting to see me in that robe. Well, I never got around to wearing it, so that is probably why I'm getting rid of it.

[SparkleMotion]

Originally posted by drumorgan
Well, I never got around to wearing it, so that is probably why I'm getting rid of it. So you were...'fibbing'...when you suggested the pic was taken and merely waiting to be developed? :eek:

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

You just can't believe people anymore.

;)

[Joey303]

Regarding a DVD of Joe Schmo 2:

Do shows like this become less valuable in the repeat/repurpose/syndication markets if they've been released on DVD to the public? I would think so, but I don't know for sure. If that's the case, then I doubt we'll see a JS2 DVD because, with two new Reality TV networks on the horizon, the Joe Schmo series might have more value to the producers/owners if it's sold to one of those new networks.

[Agent0042]

Well, I certainly hope something like that wouldn't prevent a DVD from coming out. Which reminds me to get myself over to my guide and post that link to the TV Shows on DVD in the News section, since I never did get around to it yesterday.

Speaking of DVDs, today I watched my DVD that I got of "Clifford's Really Big Movie," which just so happens to be co-written by none other than Rhett Reese / muggum. I've been a fan of the show for some time now and I can definitely say that I quite enjoyed it. (And, of course, there were all the other emotions attached as well, with Clifford being voiced by John Ritter.)

[YCantAngieRead]

(And, of course, there were all the other emotions attached as well, with Clifford being voiced by John Ritter.)
My niece got her first lessons in "cartoons aren't real" when that happened. She was pretty sad. She loves Clifford. I've always meant to ask her to watch it with me when I'm over there but I keep forgetting.

[TIVOSciolist]

Don't tell Ingrid but Madeleine Albright failed to make the Forbes list of the 100 Most Powerful Women in the World. On the other hand, the retired and ailing (but still brilliant) Margaret Thatcher is up there at No. 21.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=11&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%2Bnumberfield1%2C%2Bstringfield2&resultsSortCategoryName=Name&fromColumnClick=&bktDisplayField=&bktDisplayFieldLength=&category1=category&category2=category&passKeyword=&resultsStart=1

[pyhill]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist
Don't tell Ingrid but Madeleine Albright failed to make the Forbes list of the 100 Most Powerful Women in the World. On the other hand, the retired and ailing (but still brilliant) Margaret Thatcher is up there at No. 21.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/results.jhtml?passListId=11&passYear=2004&passListType=Person&searchParameter1=unset&searchParameter2=unset&resultsHowMany=25&resultsSortProperties=%2Bnumberfield1%2C%2Bstringfield2&resultsSortCategoryName=Name&fromColumnClick=&bktDisplayField=&bktDisplayFieldLength=&category1=category&category2=category&passKeyword=&resultsStart=1

Where did I place this year?

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by pyhill
Where did I place this year?

No. 1 for political power: Condoleeza Rice, National Security Advisor

No. 1 for business acumen: Carly Fiorina, CEO, Hewlett Packard

No. 1 for creative use of duct tape on male friends: pyhill, TiVo Community poster

[pyhill]

Originally posted by TIVOSciolist
No. 1 for political power: Condoleeza Rice, National Security Advisor

No. 1 for business acumen: Carly Fiorina, CEO, Hewlett Packard

No. 1 for creative use of duct tape on male friends: pyhill, TiVo Community poster

LOL. Awesome! But I have other talents too... In my thirties, man handling is down to just one man and I not going to quit climbing the corporate ladder until I make one of those magazines.

P.S. My number 1 is Condoleeza. I just love her!! Elizabeth Dole (or Lizzie as I call her) is not bad either!

[BrentTivo]

Guess what I just got for an anniversary present from my wife :)

I'm going to watch one episode a week, heh heh.

[Graymalkin]

Originally posted by BrentTivo
Guess what I just got for an anniversary present from my wife :)

I'm going to watch one episode a week, heh heh.

Good luck with that. Can you eat only one potato chip at a time, too?

I wound up spending an entire Sunday watching all the episodes and bonus material in a single session.

[Fool Me Twice]

Originally posted by BrentTivo
Guess what I just got for an anniversary present from my wife :)

I'm going to watch one episode a week, heh heh.
Originally posted by Fool Me Twice
I went out and bought the JS1 DVD...
I think I'll watch one episode a week...

Originally posted by SparkleMotion
I think you're fooling yourself there. ;)

Turns out I was fooling myself. It took me two days to get through the whole DVD. Oh well, good luck to you.

[YCantAngieRead]

Sigh. I think I'm going to sell my kidney on ebay so I can go purchase the DVDs. I feel so left out. :D

[Inundated]

For what it's worth, Angie...wal-mart.com has it for $34.38, and "Deep Discount DVD" has it for $36. I don't know if it can be found lower...

[Fool Me Twice]

Try here: http://www.google.com/froogle?q=%22joe+schmo%22&scoring=p

[pyhill]

Originally posted by Inundated
For what it's worth, Angie...wal-mart.com has it for $34.38, and "Deep Discount DVD" has it for $36. I don't know if it can be found lower...

Kidneys??? oh...you probably meant the DVD.

[BrentTivo]

Originally posted by Graymalkin
Good luck with that. Can you eat only one potato chip at a time, too?


Heheh, my rule is to stop eating a bag of chips once it's empty. Looks like I'm doing about one DVD disk a night.

[YCantAngieRead]

Kidneys??? oh...you probably meant the DVD.
:D

Tuesday nights are so empty without a Schmo.

[Graymalkin]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
:D

Tuesday nights are so empty without a Schmo.

Well, there's always drugs, alcohol, and meaningless sex to fill the void. :)

[TampaThunder]

Originally posted by Graymalkin
Well, there's always drugs, alcohol, and meaningless sex to fill the void. :)
I'm just so damned tired of meaningless sex. :(

[Joey303]

I'm just so damned tired of meaningless sex.

If you're a man, then I'm guessing your must now be reaching your 70's or so . . . ;)

[pyhill]

what if the sex means something, does that count?

[TampaThunder]

Originally posted by pyhill
what if the sex means something, does that count? You mean to say that there is such a thing as meaningful sex? Where do I sign up? :D

[pyhill]

Originally posted by TampaThunder
You mean to say that there is such a thing as meaningful sex? Where do I sign up? :D

For women it always means something - haven't you figured that out yet? I am married now (10 1/2 months - woo!) so I would think it is somewhat meaningful. Especially when were both there at the same time. ;)

[YCantAngieRead]

*snort* :D

[drumorgan]

OK, it finally showed up. I tried one of those ebay drop off sites near my house. If you are interested in my Lap of Luxury robe from the first season, you can see it here...
Lap of Luxury (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32995&item=4036009052&rd=1)

I thought I priced it cheap enough that someone might find it worth it. Let me know what you think.

Anyone affiliated with the show interested in signing the robe? If so, I'll donate all the money to charity.

Any word on a third season???

[TampaThunder]

Originally posted by drumorgan
I thought I priced it cheap enough that someone might find it worth it. Let me know what you think. I've placed my bid already. :D Everybody else hands off!!! LOL If you all let me win this I promise not to post racy pictures of myself. (That ought to do it. :) )

[YCantAngieRead]

I'm a bit puzzled-probably because I haven't watched season one in a while. When did they wear the white robes? I'm only remembering blue ones. I think.

[Fool Me Twice]

The revival of this thread today reminded me to check again for updates on the New Zealand version of Joe Schmo called Living The Dream. I'd love to get my hands on it. It seems that Sam Chambers (the Schmo) is a regular MKG. A great guy.

I've only found two web boards discussing the show and the posts are very sparse, but people seem to be warming to it.

You might want to check out the show's website here (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tv2_story_skin/437684%3fformat=html).
Or an article on Sam here (http://www.mytown.co.nz/story/mytstorydisplay.cfm?thecity=hawkesbay&thepage=news&storyID=3582699&type=nzh).
Or this (http://www.idolblog.com/forum/threads.php?id=5159_0_6_0) forum.
Or this (http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?threadid=233579&perpage=25&pagenumber=2) one.


Some interesting tidbits:

As TivoSciolist mentioned earlier somone did get hurt in the Sumo Slam game, but it was scripted. They got rid of the guy because he was such a terrible actor. Seriously!
This one's a little spooky. Remember the talent competition in JS1 when Hutch the A**hole blew everyone away with his rendition of America The Beautiful? Well, they wouldn't sing America The Beautiful in New Zealand of course, so what does Mick the Prick (Hutch's counterpart) sing? Ready for this? He sings O' Danny Boy! Seriously!

[Hapa]

Hi everyone!

I just had a chance to catch up (well almost,...).
I had to catch up on some of the episodes because I missed them the first time around and was waiting for the repeats but *sigh*, and re: the news of no JS3 *bigger sigh*.

I had a great time reading all your posts and wished that I had been there in person. JS2 came at a really bad time in my life. This summer will be remembered for the time that I got really good at planning memorials.

For those of you who remember the F*RT... Have any of you noticed John's current avatar? Has he been converted to a JS fan?

WHAT IS GOING ON?????

[mrpayroll]

Yes, John starting watching season 2 and he absolutely fell in love with Derek. He's had that avatar up pretty much from the beginning of the 2nd season.

Good to have you back and sorry for the rough summer! :)

Chris

[YCantAngieRead]

Yeah, sorry for the rough summer-mine was more surreal but still in the same vein as yours-we'd plan the memorial thinking someone was dying within hours and they'd pull through. Very odd summer.

Good to see you, though. I was wondering what had happened to you for the second series!

[mrpayroll]

Just a heads up. Ralph Garman mentioned on KROQ this morning that he has been cast in a big budget motion picture. His role will start shooting soon.

And guess who is in it?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417217/combined

Two for the Money (2005)

Cast (in credits order)
Matthew McConaughey
Al Pacino
rest of cast listed alphabetically
Kevin Chapman
Jeremy Piven
Rene Russo
Veena Sood .... Gambling Member #1
April Telek .... Young Woman/Toni's Client


He's not listed in cast yet, but I'm going to try and get his name on there.

Congrats to Ralph. We are going to miss him for about a month on KROQ, but this could be the start of big things for him! :up:

Chris

[YCantAngieRead]

Wow. Pretty great cast, there. I'd love to work with Pacino.

I think I'm getting JS1 on DVD for my birthday here in a couple of weeks. I'm stoked. :D

[SparkleMotion]

Did you finally hook up a DVD player? Or is it gonna sit there in its shrink-wrap, mocking you? :)

[YCantAngieRead]

Well, yes, sort of. It's not the best hook-up job in the world, but it does the trick. Unless someone walks in the room, then the connections tend to break and i have to adjust it. :D

[YCantAngieRead]

Here's something weird. I was up early this morning for no good reason, and had the TV on. Out of the corner of my eye I caught a photo of Peter Berg, who I realize now was the famous person I was trying to think of that looks like Kevin Kirkpatrick. He's the guy on the left in this photo.

Peter Berg (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/2023/Events/2023/EstellaWar_Grays_1200393_400.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Berg,%20Peter%20(I))

For a second there, I thought it WAS Kevin Kirkpatrick.

[Fool Me Twice]

Hey! Were you watching, The Last Seduction on AMC? I saw him in that very early yesterday morning. Not a great movie.

And now that you mention it, I can see the resemblance.

[YCantAngieRead]

Actually, no. He was on plugging his new movie, Friday Night Lights.

[mrpayroll]

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|91066|1|,00.html

Over on FOX, Valerie Azlynn has been added to the cast of the comedy pilot "Spellbound," playing the sister of Dave Annable's male witch. Although she appeared on an episode of ABC's "10-8" last season, Azlynn is best known as bachelorette Piper on Spike TV's "Joe Schmo 2." The actress has also signed on for a recurring role on FOX's midseason "Related By Family" (occasionally known as "Life on a Stick").


Congrats, it looks like her career is taking off. :up:

Chris

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by mrpayroll
Over on FOX, Valerie Azlynn has been added to the cast of the comedy pilot "Spellbound," playing the sister of Dave Annable's male witch. Although she appeared on an episode of ABC's "10-8" last season, Azlynn is best known as bachelorette Piper on Spike TV's "Joe Schmo 2." The actress has also signed on for a recurring role on FOX's midseason "Related By Family" (occasionally known as "Life on a Stick").

Thanks. I know that I'll tune in.

The only question is: Will Tim be watching?

[ghettoblaster]

Geez, people. The show's over. Give it up.

[mrpayroll]

Originally posted by ghettoblaster
Geez, people. The show's over. Give it up.


You know.... he's right! Thanx Mr. Blaster for showing me the error of my ways.

I can't believe I've wasted the last 2 years of my life on this program. :rolleyes:

Chris

[Joey303]

Originally posted by ghettoblaster
Geez, people. The show's over. Give it up.

We Won't!!!!

















Er, . . . We Can't!

[YCantAngieRead]

I just don't get thread crappers. Never have, never will.

[pmyers]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
I just don't get thread crappers. Never have, never will.

what's funny is the same guy then went and posted in the newer Schmo thread....

[pyhill]

Originally posted by ghettoblaster
Geez, people. The show's over. Give it up.

Thank god you pointed this out. I have been sitting in front of Spike at 11:00 at night on Tuesdays wondering why I couldn't following the plot and was just too embarrassed to say anything.

When it is time to "to give it up", don't call us - we'll call you. :)

[Inundated]

The show's over? Damn! No wonder my TiVo hasn't been picking up new episodes!

;)

Hey, "ghettoblaster" (what a name), if you really wanna dump on a thread, go find a Star Trek Web site - with apologies to Rhett Reese's latest helper, Star Trek icon William Shatner. Some of them are still talking about tribbles and warp factors in 2004!

[YCantAngieRead]

I was watching "Reality Secrets Revealed 2" last night, and if you want to catch a LOT of Joe Schmo 2 clips, watch that show. Joe Schmo clips must come cheap. ;) :D

[Inundated]

Angie - what channel is that on?

[YCantAngieRead]

Oh, oops. That would have been helpful information, no? It's on VH1. Premiered last night, so there should be at least 1,998 showings remaining. Maybe Viacom owns rights to the clips, and that's why they used them so much? I dunno.

[gregbennett]

Anyone heard anything yet on a season 2 DVD?? Need to free up some space on the TiVo and dont really want to transfer them to tape.

-Greg

[Inundated]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Oh, oops. That would have been helpful information, no? It's on VH1. Premiered last night, so there should be at least 1,998 showings remaining. Maybe Viacom owns rights to the clips, and that's why they used them so much? I dunno.

Just after I posted my message, I put my TiVo to work and am recording an episode of this show tomorrow afternoon.

For those asking - nothing new on a JS2 DVD. If it's ever going to happen...I'll be sure to rush to the board when I find out.

[Hapa]

Originally posted by mrpayroll
Yes, John starting watching season 2 and he absolutely fell in love with Derek. He's had that avatar up pretty much from the beginning of the 2nd season.

Chris

I bet if John had even bothered to watch JS1 that he would have loved it too. The spoof's on other reality shows are too good for any reality show fan.

Thanks for the insight. I feel redeemed to have been there from the beginning =)

I finally hooked up my DVD player and Media PC that have been sitting in the box for months. I feel like I'm catching up a bit with all you technofiles.

[Hapa]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Yeah, sorry for the rough summer-mine was more surreal but still in the same vein as yours-we'd plan the memorial thinking someone was dying within hours and they'd pull through. Very odd summer.

Good to see you, though. I was wondering what had happened to you for the second series!

Thanks for the good thoughts Angie & Chris. (That's an incredibly surreal story, Angie.)
The losses to our family/friends doesn't seem to stop this year, so keep the love coming.

To keep on topic, does anyone have a clue as to how I might get a copy of the JS1 DVD signed by Matt, Muggum, Brian, ... other cast members? This may be hard if they are scattered to the wind but it would certainly brighten my year.

[wendiness]

Anybody know when Rhett's next series will begin airing? You know, the one about the fake film crew.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by wendiness
Anybody know when Rhett's next series will begin airing? You know, the one about the fake film crew.

::waving::

I believe I read that "Invasion Iowa" will air on Spike TV in February of next year...

[YCantAngieRead]

February??? FEBRUARY??? Gaaah.

All this waiting is killing me. Cable networks hate me.

[mrpayroll]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
February??? FEBRUARY??? Gaaah.

All this waiting is killing me. Cable networks hate me.

Well it looks like you're busy posting on the Tivo Forum. 4000+ posts in less than a year? :eek:

Chris

[YCantAngieRead]

Yeah. I'm not proud of that. But I have to do something while I wait!

[TIVOSciolist]

"The New Schmo" - Amanda

Amanda Naughton is 25 (her birthday is Christmas Eve). She was born and raised in Pittsburgh, PA. She is the youngest of three - she has an older sister and brother.

Just in case you're still dropping by on occasion: Happy Birthday, Amanda!!! We've so missed you and the rest of the Joe Schmo gang!

[YCantAngieRead]

I was just thinking about this thread when I randomly looked at Orkut for people who said Joe Schmo was a favorite show. There were A LOT.

[BrentTivo]

I'm surprised that no one posted here when Joe Schmo was listed in Entertainment Weekly's Top 50 DVD Boxed Sets of TV Shows about 1-2 months ago. I was going to rush to the boards to post this info but figured that someone would have beaten me to it already, given how rabid we JS fans are for info about our show :)

Oh, and I saw Piper in a commercial last week (not sure what I was doing watching commercials with Tivo!).

[YCantAngieRead]

Wow...I didn't know about either of those! Excellent on both counts! (What was the commercial for, do you remember?)

[getbak]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
(What was the commercial for, do you remember?)


If it's the same commercial I saw, it was for an electric razor (Panasonic, I think). She's in a convertable with some guy. They drive into a car wash, and shave themselves while going through the suds. By the end of the ad, she's wet, smooth, and happy.

I believe it aired during the Apprentice each of the last two weeks.

[BrentTivo]

Right, it was the car wash one. She looked great!

[MitchO]

And Ashleigh from Season I stars in that disturbing commercial about the medication that gives women less periods a year. You'll have to forgive me for not remembering the name =P

[YCantAngieRead]

Which reminds me. I *think* I might be getting season one for Christmas. Finally. :D

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by getbak
If it's the same commercial I saw, it was for an electric razor (Panasonic, I think). She's in a convertable with some guy. They drive into a car wash, and shave themselves while going through the suds. By the end of the ad, she's wet, smooth, and happy.

I thought that was a stupid commercial but did not really notice the actress in it. I'll now have to give it another look.

[pyhill]

Originally posted by MitchO
And Ashleigh from Season I stars in that disturbing commercial about the medication that gives women less periods a year. You'll have to forgive me for not remembering the name =P

Seasonale - I take it - 4 periods a years!!!

[Graymalkin]

Originally posted by pyhill
Seasonale - I take it - 4 periods a years!!!

How do you feel during the eight times a year when you used to have a period but don't anymore? Does this cut back PMS symptoms to four times a year, as well?

I was wondering how this actually works.

Yes, I'm a guy. I'm curious.

[pyhill]

Originally posted by Graymalkin
How do you feel during the eight times a year when you used to have a period but don't anymore? Does this cut back PMS symptoms to four times a year, as well?

I was wondering how this actually works.

Yes, I'm a guy. I'm curious.

It's a good question. You don't have any PMS during the other 8 times (it is as if nothing is happening) and it does cut down the PMS symptoms for the other 4 times. The periods themselves are much better as well.

[YCantAngieRead]

Wow, this is a really strange discussion for here...but I have none thanks to Depo Provera injections. I never have any symptoms. If you don't have 'em, you don't have the physical effects, either.

[Graymalkin]

I pick my discussions as I see 'em. :)

Thanks for the info.

[Inundated]

What I wanna know is...how'd we get from wishing Amanda a Happy Birthday...to this? ;)

(I know, I see it...it was just a weird turn! :D)

Gotta go, before someone yells at me that the show's been over for months...

::fleeing::!!! hehehe

[muggum]

And Ryan Raddatz (William, Joe Schmo 1) is in a new Cranium for kids commercial...

Invasion Iowa will probably air sometime in March.

Stuck to ODB has now been postponed indefinitely. I'll keep everyone posted.

I'm having between 4-8 periods a year.

Happy Birthday, Amanda!

M

[YCantAngieRead]

Heh-heh-heh. How funny. :D

I saw Ryan Raddatz on an old Buffy episode in the last couple months, so I've been wondering what he's up to lately. He's an awfully, awfully talented guy.

Given that JS1 did so well in the DVDs of the year, one has to hope that maybe JS2 will be a DVD. I mean, I doubt it, but one can hope, no?

[muggum]

DVD - we're doing our best to make that a reality...

M

[TIVOSciolist]

Originally posted by muggum
JS2 DVD? I can only say that we're doing our best to make that a reality...

M

Speaking for myself, I'm a bit disappointed that Tim, Amanda, and Ingrid have not done their part to bring about a Joe Schmo II DVD.

They all live in the Washington, D.C., area. All it would take is for one of them to get embroiled in a big juicy public scandal and BOOM, Spike TV would have that JSII DVD on the shelves in three weeks.

Ingrid should forget what her mother said about not embarrassing the family and think instead of her fans.

[YCantAngieRead]

Heh-heh. You should be a PR person, TS. :D

[sync]

Does Spike TV ever replay JS?

[YCantAngieRead]

Unfortunately, no. We wish they would, but no.

[fmowry]

Originally posted by muggum
And Ryan Raddatz (William, Joe Schmo 1) is in a new Cranium for kids commercial...

Invasion Iowa will probably air sometime in March.

Stuck to ODB has now been postponed indefinitely. I'll keep everyone posted.

I'm having between 4-8 periods a year.

Happy Birthday, Amanda!

M

I thought I heard that "Stuck on ODB" hasn't aired because there really wasn't much to see. He just sat around for most of the footage doing nothing. Can't remeber where I heard that though. Maybe on a radio show (Howard Stern maybe) when ODB bit the dust.

Frank

[Dear Prudence]

Piper is listed at playing a model in the new Bewitched movie

[Hapa]

Did anyone else notice that MKG and JSI was #6 in VH1's 50 most outrageous TV moments?

I was channel surfing and needless to say I stopped and backed up when I saw Matts face on the tellie.

Happy 2005 everyone!

[Inundated]

I just got a new DVD recorder for Christmas, and the very first thing I'm doing is saving off all those JS2 episodes I've been keeping on the TiVo. And I miss this show, dammit! I miss Tim and Ingrid and Amanda...I miss Ralph...I miss Montecore, even! Sigh. :D

I'm ever hopeful that there'll still be a JS2 DVD. Last time he posted about it, Our Man Muggum(tm) sounded like he was still working on it...somehow! Let's cross all our fingers and toes...once again, I'm first in line if it comes out.

[YCantAngieRead]

Hey, I didn't notice I made sig fodder. Please tell me that hasn't been there for like, a week. :D

Yeah, I'm still ever-hopeful for a DVD. Go, Joe! (Or something. :))

[pyhill]

I was just laughing about the fake Montecore and Tim's and Amanda's look when that thing was brought out. I want a new season and will not settle for anything less!!!!!!!

[getreal]

Have you all bought the JS1 DVDs?

[Inundated]

Originally posted by getreal
Have you all bought the JS1 DVDs?

You doubt...us? :o

Two sets. One for myself, one for a friend...

[pyhill]

Originally posted by getreal
Have you all bought the JS1 DVDs?

Oh please...we're professional JS obsessives.

[YCantAngieRead]

(I haven't yet. But don't tell anyone. Now that I have money coming in each month, though, it will be the first thing I purchase.)

[wendiness]

Originally posted by Inundated
You doubt...us? :o

Two sets. One for myself, one for a friend...

A grateful friend.

[BrentTivo]

What do you think I bought myself for my 40th birthday?:p

[muggum]

No Joe 3, so you must channel your obsessiveness into Invasion Iowa come March! =P

R

[Inundated]

Originally posted by muggum
No Joe 3, so you must channel your obsessiveness into Invasion Iowa come March! =P

Oh, you know it! I'm already gearing up! :D

And if you manage to get a JS2 DVD out, somehow...I'll be first in line. And I'll buy at least two copies. (You're welcome, wendiness :) )

[YCantAngieRead]

Originally posted by muggum
No Joe 3, so you must channel your obsessiveness into Invasion Iowa come March! =P

R
As a big fan who really knew there was not going to be any Joe 3, I can't pretend that seeing that in print again didn't make me a tad sad.

So, here we go, Invasion Iowa! Yeehaa! And stuff!

[Fool Me Twice]

I'm a little behind on this thread, but speaking of Schmo alumni in commercials, I keep seeing Austin from JS2 on a fitness infomercial (AB Scissor I think).

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/gofuton.cgi?action=newswire&id=6800action=newswire&id=6785
THE LANCE KRALL SHOW (Spike TV, New!) - The cable channel has committed to eight episodes of a new improv series featuring "The Joe Schmo Show" alum Lance Krall and his comedy troupe, the Whole World Theater. Krall played "Kip, the Gay Guy" on "Schmo's" first season. Production has been completed on all eight half-hours of the series, which features everything from man-on-the-street segments to crank calls, with Krall himself writing and directing each installment. Sarah Baker, Phil Cater, Annie Humphrey, Rob Poynter, Michael Sweeney, Loren Tarquinio and Anna Vocino also star in the project, which was executive produced by Krall and his manager Rory Rosegarten. "Krall" reportedly will be paired with Spike's signature Thursday series "MXC" beginning in the spring however no firm dates have been set.

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tv2_story_skin/461701%3fformat=html
I see that TV2 in New Zealand is now showing JS1. I wonder how well it's own version (Living The Dream) did?

[MitchO]

Grats Lance! I was watching the Monk marathon on New Years Day and I had forgotten about Lance's 2nd appearance as the car salesman in the "The Monk" episode. I chuckled just at the site of him :)

[YCantAngieRead]

Good for Lance! Although, I hate crank call shows, so...but anyway...good for him!

(And actually, it was his third appearance on Monk. And now I sound like an obsessed fan. :D)

[scooterboy]

Just wanted to mention that I saw Bryce in a really bad movie on Showtime last week. It was called "Winter Break" (essentially spring break on an Aspen mountain), and he played a gay coffee shop worker. His scenes were probably the most entertaining in the entire movie. :)

[YCantAngieRead]

When are they going to quit making spring break ski movies? They always suck.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by YCantAngieRead
Good for Lance! Although, I hate crank call shows, so...but anyway...good for him!

The bit above makes it sounds like that'll be just one part of the show.

Anyone who saw Lance's demo reel - which he linked to here - knows it'll be a fun time. Congratulations, Lance, if you're still lurking around TCF!

I'm finally getting around to dumping the finale of JS2 to DVD (the personal, archival copy off of my TiVo, not the full-featured set I encourage everyone to buy if they manage to make it available!). Sigh. Between these two shows... there's more memorable TV than I've seen in the entire rest of my life.

[Inundated]

I went to the link FoolMeTwice posted, and didn't see Lance's show, but I DID see THIS JS related item...which includes Lance, David Hornsby and JS1 director Danny Salles, not to mention an appearance by Ralph Garman!

Link is the same as listed above...they must have moved the other story to a new link:

THE OTHER MALL (FOX, New!) - Director Danny Salles ("My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance") and actors David Hornsby ("Six Feet Under") and Lance Krall ("The Downer Channel") have scored a pilot presentation order for a new Christopher Guest-esque comedy set at an aging Midwest shopping mall. Said project will then track a young go-getter (Hornsby) who's put in charge of the mall after it's sold to a big corporation and must deal with its many wacky retailers. Krall's role wasn't specified in the pilot, which also featured Ralph Garman. The trio, all of whom worked on Spike TV's "The Joe Schmo Show," co-created the series and took the extra step of shooting a short presentation tape of their own to pitch the networks with. FOX has commissioned a new pilot presentation as well as a full pilot script which will feature a few minor changes as well as upgraded production values. Susan Dickes ("Just Shoot Me") has also been brought on as an executive producer of the project, which is set up at Regency Television.

[Inundated]

Ralph Garman is also being featured, by the way, in a multi-part series on the popular Los Angeles radio site LARadio.com. The site votes for the "10 Favorite LARPs" (Los Angeles Radio People) each year, and site founder Don Barrett notes that this year, Ralph was clearly "just" off the list. That prompted the multi-part bio/interview that's running this week.

Unfortunately, LARadio.com is a pay site, so I can't reproduce it here...but the story is very good so far. Tomorrow, they'll run the part where Ralph talks about JS...

[Inundated]

So, I'm up late, bored and Google is my friend.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432468/

Looks like the latest foreign adaptation of our favorite show was in France!


"Gloire et fortune" (2004)

French adaptation of "The Joe Schmo Show" (2003). Mathieu is the only real "candidate" among a group of actors.

TIVOSciolist? Did you ferret this out earlier, and I missed it? :o

[Fool Me Twice]

Nice! Check it out. Video Clips!

http://gloireetfortune.m6.fr

A lot of video clips! Wow!

[Fool Me Twice]

Watch the control room panic when Matthieu (honestly, that's the Schmo's name) starts to take things a bit too far with Sabrina la Bimbo (no translation required). :D :D

http://video.m6.fr/player/24/wmf_ASX.php?nomvid=b041028131533SARAA9220100

This next clip is called "Calliente".

http://video.m6.fr/player/24/wmf_ASX.php?nomvid=b041028112217SARAA9220100

Well, here's something familiar: "Combat de Sumo".

http://video.m6.fr/player/24/wmf_ASX.php?nomvid=b041028114703SARAA9220100

A buch of clips on that site.

Here's a Babelfish translation of a paragraph from an episode summary on another French site:

The hour of elimination sounded. Jean-Claude collects 3 votes against him and is eliminated. Everyone is in tears, surely the prospect to be more made awake at dawn by howls of soldier. Mathieu when to him leaves to insulate itself in its room to cry. And that cries, and that cries, with a small air of piano over. Hold it suddenly is true telereality and not parody!Unscripted, but still the same!

I wonder if Muggum has seen this.

[pyhill]

Love the house!!!

[Inundated]

The French mark gets as close to the veteran as Matt did to Earl. Priceless!!

There's a study in here somewhere...put together the same characters in a fake reality show, and compare how the "marks" respond in each situation. Did the guy in New Zealand cry over the departure of their version of "Earl"? :o

[Inundated]

And most importantly...

What's the French translation for...

"WHAT IS GOINNNNNG ONNNN?!?!?!?!"

:D

[Inundated]

Oh, in addition, it appears that the original show is airing on a French satellite channel called "FUN TV"...if I'm reading right...right now.

http://site.funtv.m6.fr/request.asp?bfcom=Emission/Concept/JoeSchmoShow

You can run this through Google to translate it:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsite.funtv.m6.fr%2Frequest.asp%3Fbf com%3DEmission%2FConcept%2FJoeSchmoShow&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

The machine translated description?


The greatest hoax of American television, The Joe Schmo Show , arrives of exclusiveness on FUN TV. Matt Kennedy Gould , a young American candidate, persuaded to take part in a new adaptation of famous Big Brother , is in fact the victim of a great hoax: all the other participants are actors who will do everything to make it crack! Will Matt Kennedy Gould realize that all is false? Response every Sunday to 10h00 on FUN TV.

[Inundated]

Long-time JS fan Aaron Barnhart (Kansas City Star) weighed in on the new CBS reality show "The Will", which has, I believe, already been cancelled after just one episode. And sure enough, there's a reference to you-know-what:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/10572510.htm?1c
(registration or Knight-Ridder newspapers login required, but here's the only part that matters to us)


“The Will” not only has a smarmy host but a whole McMansion full of reality-show stereotypes: the Ice Queen, the Belligerent Guy, Cute Young Thing I, Cute Young Thing II and so on. The very first challenge is that old “Survivor” chestnut Endurance, in which players must keep one hand on an enormous safe while holding a piggybank with their other arm … for as long as they can.

It looks as ridiculous as it sounds. Indeed, the program that “The Will” most resembles is “The Joe Schmo Show,” which wasn't even an actual reality show but a parody of the reality TV genre.

[muggum]

I didn't see those clips. Hilarious! I've seen the first episode of Living the Dream from New Zealand. It's eerily similar to Joe Schmo... the language, the editing, the content (host coming in on a horse, etc.). The show did so well in New Zealand that they're now airing the original.

[Fool Me Twice]

Unfortunately, TV2 hasn't provided video clips of Living the Dream on their website. But, it was interesting to follow the episode summaries.

Among other things, I found it interesting that they kept in the part where a player gets injured in the Sumo Slam game, even though it was accidental in the original. It seems that they were having trouble with one of their actors and needed to get rid of him before his chronic overacting made Sam (their Matt) too suspicious. So that's how they wrote him out.

Hopefully, I'll get a hold of an episode eventually. So far though, no luck.

[Inundated]

Originally posted by muggum
I didn't see those clips. Hilarious! I've seen the first episode of Living the Dream from New Zealand. It's eerily similar to Joe Schmo... the language, the editing, the content (host coming in on a horse, etc.). The show did so well in New Zealand that they're now airing the original.

The French version seems a little more tailored to the sensibilities of the French audience. And just the clips I've seen on the Web seem to indicate that it'd make the original show (or even JS2) look tame. Then again, the French don't go ape-you-know-what at the sight of a woman without a shirt on, on TV...

:D

Anyone who manages to get ahold of any video of "Living the Dream"...if you could direct me to same, I'd much appreciate it. Maybe there's some cable or satellite channel that specializes in overseas TV shows...or even overseas TV shows that were adapted from popular U.S. shows. ;)

[Rangers4me]

I just started watching the Joe Schmo DVD's that I bought 4 months ago. The first DVD is defective and the voices are out of synch. Does anyone know where to send the Disc for replacement?

[Inundated]

Originally posted by Rangers4me
I just started watching the Joe Schmo DVD's that I bought 4 months ago. The first DVD is defective and the voices are out of synch. Does anyone know where to send the Disc for replacement?

Hmm...I'd assume the retailer you bought it from, or Paramount Home Video?

[ahecht]

In a sort of "where are they now" update, Ralph Garmin just bought a $760 bowl of Apple Jacks (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20050204-0436-superbowl-cerealauction.html).

[YCantAngieRead]

Well, I suppose it's a good thing he's keeping busy.

:D

[pyhill]

and eating a nutritious breakfast. :D

[Inundated]

Ralph, if you were hungry, you should have let us know!

;)

Seriously...don'tcha just love radio publicity stunts? It helps that Ralph is, of course, a Philly native. But the cereal didn't appear to help the Eagles...

[SparkleMotion]

Just in case some folks missed it, Kevin "Bryce" Kirkpatrick had a (sadly miniscule) role in the last-aired episode of "Arrested Development".

[muggum]

Odds for a Joe 2 DVD looking better and better... I'll post about it here first.

M

[Inundated]

:: lining up to be a distributor in the eastern U.S. ::

We'll be watching!

[Amnesia]

That's great to hear! Just thinking about it makes me hungry for Pork and Beans...

[YCantAngieRead]

I also meant to note that I saw Melissa Lewis on a Miller Light (I think) ad talking about losing taste. She's getting to be a regular ad face.

[MitchO]

Hey Guys! Get this: Joe Schmo was a MAJOR influence on last night's new episode of "Drawn Together".

For those unaware, Drawn Together is a cartoon parody of reality television, with a handful of basic cartoon character types (the Super Hero, the Video Game Elf, the Internet Download Character, etc etc) live in a house a la Big Brother. The show's humor is very raw and South Park level crude, but extremely funny IMO.

Anyway, last night's episode revolved around the housemates getting tired of the show's constant invasion on their lives for little to no reward, and showed lots of "twists" and teases, much like various reality shows. And the one tease they continued to show before every commercial break is an outside view of the house, with a voice-over of one of the characters shouting the immortal:

"WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!" :) :) :)

Later, when they totally rebel and fight their way off the show, one of the characters gives a speech about how they should fight for all the people on reality shows who were given the shaft, like the two girls on Joe Millionaire who didn't know that Joe was "not really rich and basically retarded", the Average Joe girls, some people on Big Brother I never heard of ...

... "And Matt on Joe Schmo, who ended up finding out all his friends were a-hole actors". :)

The parody ... has been parodied. :)

[Inundated]

I really don't watch "Drawn Together", but I'll find and TiVo the next episode to see this.

And considering the very nature of the show...the producers would HAVE to be aware of JS!
:D

Perhaps that's their way of giving a nod to the master show of the genre.

[YCantAngieRead]

That's pretty cool. Do you know if the episode has a title?

[SparkleMotion]

Anyone notice I posted that about Kevin Kirkpatrick in this very thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=2595899&postcount=240) yesterday? :p

[MitchO]

RE: The Drawn Together ep. It's ep 108: "The One With a Big Twist"

[Inundated]

I went to look for this one, and it's on right now! Yipes, I missed the first half of it. Hope it wasn't the part with Joe Schmo mentioned. Or that it gets repeated...which it should, being Comedy Central.

[TIVOSciolist]

Anyone notice I posted that about Kevin Kirkpatrick in this very thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showpost.php?p=2595899&postcount=240) yesterday? :p

Unfortunately, he turned out to be on the only episode of "Arrested Development" that I forgot to record in the last few months.