** HD TiVo and HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ **

[bellbm]

So they dont still have that today? I had a house with C bad in the early 90s. Was wild watching the war stuff live. I had no idea that tv people swore so much off the air either. I'd catch the feeds from the news vans etc. Boy do they put on their smiley faces though when the red light goes on. I think people's image would be shattered if we ever / still got live feeds such as this.

This would be great stuff to post on You Tube!

[Valor55]

I would like to pose a question for the "remote" guru's......

I have been using Tivo for about a year and a half now... but have been to busy with "life" to really get into them any deeper than figuring out how to do the 30 second skip, & turn on the TV and audio receiver with the single green button on the Tivo remote..., which interestingly enough seemed to work fine on my 80gig SD-Tivo's, but does not seem to work on the remotes for my HD-Tivo (is there something different here)?

To whit... I had an SD-Tivo set up
with my wife's JVC television and Denon audio receiver running the
sound output. When I programmed the remote I went through the menu to
setup the TV and the Receiver and from then on when I pushed the green
button (with the switch in the satellite position) both the TV and the
Denon would power up (great)! However, I just upgraded my wife's Tivo
to the HR 10-250 in preparation for upgrading her TV to HD this
summer. However, when I was programming the new remote the green
button operates the TV only for power, not the receiver. The remote
does operate the receiver for sound control just fine... but will not
do the one-button power-up that I enjoyed with the old remote. So I
am just using the old remote which still operates the TV and the
receiver just fine and seems to have no issues interfacing with the
HD-Tivo... (although I would really prefer using the HD remote). Is
there something different about the HD remote that prevents them from
operating in the same fashion that my older remote from the SD-Tivo
does?

I am not the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to this A/V stuff so I am far from an expert. I recently moutned a plasma TV to the wall and put all my A/V equipment in a separate room and in a cabinet. I don't want to look at it. I got the Logitech Harmony 890 remote which sends an RF signal to an receiver in the cabinet that has IR blasters built in. The remote was a cinch to set up. It has "activities" that are just macros of signals. "Watch TV" will turn on the TV, wake up the HR10-250, turn on the receiver and set it to the proper inputs. When I hit "Off" on the remote it shuts all the devices off. It works the same way to "Watch DVD" --it turns on the DVD player and sets the TV and receiver to the correct inputs.

This may be way overkill for what you want to do but it does work. All my remotes are put away, the Harmony is the only one I need to use for anything in my system.

[MikeNorman]

I think this may be the correct place to ask this question. If not I am very sorry for causing a problem.

I am schedule Friday morning by Directv to replace my dish and install the MPEG4 dish and H20 MPEG4 receiver to be able to get local high definition channels coming to Oklahoma City early December.

Does my 5X8 power multiswitch I am currently using have to be replaced? I used it to connect my HR10-250 and other high definition receivers and standard TIVO PVR's.
Mike

[Budget_HT]

Mike,

DirecTV should be expected to replace your 5x8 multiswitch with one that is compatible with the new satellites.

The potential trap here might be the OTA input to your 5x8 multiswitch. If you are using that to diplex OTA signals with the satellite signals delivered to your receivers, you may need to come up with an alternative method, which DirecTV will likely NOT help you with. The 5-satellite system has downlink frequencies that conflict with OTA UHF frequencies, so diplexing OTA with satellite from DirecTV will not work.

That said, I have read here or on AVS Forum that some folks are still TEMPORARILY able to use their diplexing, since apparently the interfering frequencis don't come into play until the next satellite is launched. I may have this wrong, but folks have reported this or something similar.

One potential solution might be to leave your 5x8 multiswitch in place, feeding your current receivers as today. But the satellite inputs to the 5x8 would be fed by 4 outputs of a new multiswitch that supports all 5 satellites. The new HR20 would be fed directly from 2 ports of the new multiswitch.

This approach can work in part because none of your existing receivers are capable of receiving MPEG-4 signals from the new satellites.

Anyone, feel free to correct any erros here.

[Blademan007]

DirecTV HDTV programming at 110 (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/directvusa110.shtml):
ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, Discovery HD, HDNet Movies, Showtime HD

DirecTV HDTV programming at 119 (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/directvusa119.shtml):
HDNet, HBO HD, HD Pay-per-viewThe FAQ HD channel list needs to be updated. For example, according to Lyngsat, HBO is now on 110.

[amberbamber]

Has Tivo or anyone released TivoToGo or any similar software for the hr10-250's yet?
One post said it might be out the end of this year. It seems like a lot of trouble to muck around in my hr10-250 since I'm supposed to be upgraded to the mpeg4 unit when they come out. I have the 5lnb dish already.

I just watched a commercial tonight about Tivo allowing people to move recorded tivo shows to their laptop computers for portable viewing.

Is it better to get a stand alone Tivo with dtv to be able to watch shows on my laptop at my leisure?

Why does dtv have to limit things and screw everything up? :(

Thanks

[feldon23]

Has Tivo or anyone released TivoToGo or any similar software for the hr10-250's yet?
Not that I know of. Check the "other" website which I cannot give the URL for. You might find a great deal of info in their database about TiVo.

I just watched a commercial tonight about Tivo allowing people to move recorded tivo shows to their laptop computers for portable viewing.

Is it better to get a stand alone Tivo with dtv to be able to watch shows on my laptop at my leisure?
If you want to go back to the dark ages as far as picture and sound quality. If you must have MRV and/or transfer shows to your PC and you love DirecTV, get a DirecTV non-HD TiVo. There is software out there to enable HMO and MRV on the DirecTV non-HD TiVos.

But now is the wrong time to buy a DirecTV TiVo. They are switching to MPEG-4 as you are aware and Rupert Murdoch, the cause of DirecTV ditching TiVo, has sold DirecTV to another company. So off in the distance, there is now a slim chance of a series 3 DirecTV TiVo that does MPEG-4 and all the other goodies.

Why does dtv have to limit things and screw everything up? :(
Thank Rupert Murdoch for setting technology back with the lowest common denominator. Australia has been thanking him for years. He's gone out of his way to block High Definition in Australia because it costs too much. His philosophy is, if nobody has HD, nobody will miss it.

[feldon23]

The FAQ HD channel list needs to be updated. For example, according to Lyngsat, HBO is now on 110.
Pretty soon, the HR10-250 will be useless for HBO, Showtime, etc.

[bgshapiro]

Since the TIVO "Scrooge" has now parted with his interest in DTV, does this mean that DTV may get back on track with TIVO and stop making us use that horrible HD DVR?

[BizarroTerl]

Please, please, please. We have the DTV HD DVR and it rates a 10 on the 1-10 scale of suckiness.

[feldon23]

I really hope we see a TiVo Series 3 for DirecTV.

I tinkered with the $800 cable TiVo Series 3 at Best Buy. Too bad you can't do anything but watch the 120 second clip. I wanted to go through the menus and play back example shows.

Chatted up the Best Buy employee. He said they are selling at a decent clip. I asked him if the people who buy them are already very knowledgeable about them before they buy them and he said oh yes. I mentioned CableCard to him and that they require 2 cards from Time Warner, at which point the TiVo is actually functioning as its own cable box. He had no clue of course. ;)

[Silo24X]

Whole House Video Issue:

Well that seems to solve 95% of my initial whole house video issues.

With the limited drive size of the stock HD Tivo, our other DirecTiVos and our travel schedule - what we record on that Tivo will be "sit down and watch" programs rather than the "walk around the house" variety. With the exception of visiting the kitchen/bar which has the 2nd plasma.

I bought a component video and digital audio selector with two outputs so that took care of seeing HDTV programming on the two plasma screens via component.

Then on the few instances where one of us wanted to finish watching a program in another room, the one watching the plasma would just have to watch the 480 signal.

Not a perfect solution and one I hope gets addressed in the next version, but workable for now.

[slocko]

are you serious? when is this expected to happen?

Pretty soon, the HR10-250 will be useless for HBO, Showtime, etc.

[dswallow]

are you serious? when is this expected to happen?
It CAN'T happen before late 2007, when DirecTV's 2 satellites capable of national coverage in the Ka-band should be launched and operating. Once that milestone is reached, it probably WON'T happen for some time, probably at least another year, since it'll affect current HD subscribers who do not yet have a 5-LNB Ka-band dish or Ka-band/MPEG4 HD receivers; it'll simply take time for DirecTV to get those changed out whenever they decide to begin to force the issue.

So while it might happen as soon as early 2008, I doubt it'll happen until late 2008 or 2009 at the earliest.

And if anything happens to prevent both of the new satellites being launched in 2007 from operating fully, then expect a further delay on this timetable.

[Paul Wozniak]

Why would Direct move these signals? The space is already allocated where they are. They can add the mpeg 4 signal for HBO, etc... on the new birds without having to discontinue the old signals.

[dswallow]

Why would Direct move these signals? The space is already allocated where they are. They can add the mpeg 4 signal for HBO, etc... on the new birds without having to discontinue the old signals.
There will be a time when they want to reclaim that bandwidth for other uses, but they'll have to balance that with the need/desire for current customers with non-mpeg4 HD equipment to receive those channels as well as the logistics of ensuring everyone has ample time to upgrade their equipment and dish before turning it off.

[worc33]

I'm a DirecTV subscriber - looking to upgrade to HD. I'm a TiVO devotee and from this forum it's clear the new DirecTV HD DVR is a disaster. I'd like to get a HR10-250 in the secondary market but I need to clarify these two problems - this thread has been helpful but its a little bit above my technical understanding.

1) Will I be able to get my local affiliates in HD with the HR 10-250?
2) Will some HD channels (eg, HBO) not be available on the HR 10-250 in the future?

Can anyone clarify this? First is a much bigger issue for the time being. Any other recommendations for a TiVO user who wants to get DirecTV HD?

thank you.

[dswallow]

I'm a DirecTV subscriber - looking to upgrade to HD. I'm a TiVO devotee and from this forum it's clear the new DirecTV HD DVR is a disaster. I'd like to get a HR10-250 in the secondary market but I need to clarify these two problems - this thread has been helpful but its a little bit above my technical understanding.

1) Will I be able to get my local affiliates in HD with the HR 10-250?
2) Will some HD channels (eg, HBO) not be available on the HR 10-250 in the future?

Can anyone clarify this? First is a much bigger issue for the time being. Any other recommendations for a TiVO user who wants to get DirecTV HD?
1) Only NYC and LA major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) are available in HD over MPEG2/Ku-band satellites that the HR10-250 could receive; the HR10-250 can also tune digital ATSC broadcasts if you have an antenna, and that'd let you record all the stations you can receive, not just the major networks.

2) Sooner or later the HD MPEG-2 channels will be cut off and become MPEG-4/Ka-band only. Probably not for at least 1 to 2 years, but there will come a time. The HR10-250 will always work for SD Ku-band channels and OTA digital (HD and otherwise) broadcasts.

[worc33]

Would an antenna allow me to receive the Boston networks in HD? Would I be able to integrate that feed into the HR10-250 or would I have to switch to another Video input (eg, VIDEO 1 on my Sony TV) whenever I want to watch broadcasts in HD? I dont mind spending some $$ on equipment but I also dont want a hassle once its all installed.

Could you define what an ATSC broadcast is?

[A J Ricaud]

Would an antenna allow me to receive the Boston networks in HD? Would I be able to integrate that feed into the HR10-250 or would I have to switch to another Video input (eg, VIDEO 1 on my Sony TV) whenever I want to watch broadcasts in HD? I dont mind spending some $$ on equipment but I also dont want a hassle once its all installed.

Could you define what an ATSC broadcast is?

Go to antennaweb.org and enter the info requested. It will tell you if you can receive HD OTA broadcasts and will recommend an antenna type.

Assuming you can receive them, the OTA HD channels will be integrated in the HR10-250's program guide. You will not have to change inputs on your TV. You will have to re-run guided setup to tell the HR10-250 to use both antenna and satellite.

ATSC means digital transmission.

[dswallow]

Would an antenna allow me to receive the Boston networks in HD? Would I be able to integrate that feed into the HR10-250 or would I have to switch to another Video input (eg, VIDEO 1 on my Sony TV) whenever I want to watch broadcasts in HD? I dont mind spending some $$ on equipment but I also dont want a hassle once its all installed.

Could you define what an ATSC broadcast is?
Local digital television stations received over an antenna are fully integrated with everything the HR10-250 does; they're part of the guide; they're part of all recording options; they're directly tunable by channel number; etc. It's just they are received via a local antenna instead of via a satellite dish. If there's no issues receiving the signal in your geographic location, they'll be just like any other DirecTV channel on the HR10-250.

[Anubys]

I'm a DirecTV subscriber - looking to upgrade to HD. I'm a TiVO devotee and from this forum it's clear the new DirecTV HD DVR is a disaster.

maybe you should try other forums...I would not call the new HD DVR a disaster...since it's not a Tivo unit, this is not the forum to use to do your research on it...try DBStalk (http://www.dbstalk.com/)

[aaafence rider]

Can anybody tell me how to check much recording capacity is left on my HR10-250

[jhays]

The only way with an unhacked unit is to activate Tivo Suggestions. If you have several pages of Suggestions, you have plenty of room. If Suggestions are down to less than a page, you are running out of space.

[aaafence rider]

I am considering buying another HR10-250 for a second HD hookup in the house in another room; currently I get the local cannels in HD on my other HR10-250. (I live in NY); Considering I will have to pay 4-5 hundred for a second HR10-250, does anybody have an opinion on whether I should lay out the cash or wait for the MPeg-4 equipment to come around (I have read posts that the HR10-250 will be rendered disabled from a local channel HD standpoint); Also, is the Series 3 the equivalent to the HR10-250? (sorry if this last part of the question is dumb)..thanks for input

[A J Ricaud]

Considering I will have to pay 4-5 hundred for a second HR10-250, does anybody have an opinion on whether I should lay out the cash or wait for the MPeg-4 equipment to come around (I have read posts that the HR10-250 will be rendered disabled from a local channel HD standpoint); Also, is the Series 3 the equivalent to the HR10-250? (sorry if this last part of the question is dumb)..thanks for input

If you are receiving your locals via satellite, then, yes, locals will eventually be broadcast only in MPEG-4 format, which the HR10-250 cannot receive. Some posts indicate that this will happen sometime in 2007. Others say later, but no official word yet.

If you can receive locals OTA with an external antenna, then you can continue to do so with the HR10-250.

The Series 3 Tivo is for cable/OTA only.

[hfhlt004]

I am considering buying another HR10-250 for a second HD hookup in the house in another room; currently I get the local cannels in HD on my other HR10-250. (I live in NY); Considering I will have to pay 4-5 hundred for a second HR10-250, does anybody have an opinion on whether I should lay out the cash or wait for the MPeg-4 equipment to come around (I have read posts that the HR10-250 will be rendered disabled from a local channel HD standpoint); Also, is the Series 3 the equivalent to the HR10-250? (sorry if this last part of the question is dumb)..thanks for input

I was one who initially regretted getting the Directv HR20, but after about 3 months, this box is improving almost up to the standards for DirecTIVO. I figured if I were to stay with Directv, I would have to adapt. I also like the greater recording capacity of the new box.

[kenferm]

1) Only NYC and LA major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) are available in HD over MPEG2/Ku-band satellites that the HR10-250 could receive; the HR10-250 can also tune digital ATSC broadcasts if you have an antenna, and that'd let you record all the stations you can receive, not just the major networks.

2) Sooner or later the HD MPEG-2 channels will be cut off and become MPEG-4/Ka-band only. Probably not for at least 1 to 2 years, but there will come a time. The HR10-250 will always work for SD Ku-band channels and OTA digital (HD and otherwise) broadcasts.



Just to clarify - regarding the ability in the NYC/NJ area (i live 25 miles outside of NYC), if I bought the HR10-250, I would be able to get local channels in HD using MPEG2/KU-band satellites - the question I have is whether that utitlizes the 3LNB dish or do I have to get the 5LNB dish for this? Also, am I buying this service through Tivo or through Direct TV??

[stevel]

If you qualify for NYC locals, theoretically you can get the four major networks in HD with an HR10 and a 3-LNB dish. Whether or not DirecTV will let you do so is another question. All of your service is through DirecTV. TiVo is a service contractor to DirecTV and you do not have any direct dealings with them. There are other HD locals you will not be able to receive with the HR10.

[dswallow]

Just to clarify - regarding the ability in the NYC/NJ area (i live 25 miles outside of NYC), if I bought the HR10-250, I would be able to get local channels in HD using MPEG2/KU-band satellites - the question I have is whether that utitlizes the 3LNB dish or do I have to get the 5LNB dish for this?
The 3-LNB dish is all you'll need. "Local channels in HD" is just ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC. No PBS, CW, MTN or anything else in HD.

But at 25 miles from NYC, you'd probably do rather well with an antenna, too... even an indoor one.

[kenferm]

The 3-LNB dish is all you'll need. "Local channels in HD" is just ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC. No PBS, CW, MTN or anything else in HD.

But at 25 miles from NYC, you'd probably do rather well with an antenna, too... even an indoor one.




Am I missing something or does it seem that right now, there's no great way to do this. I just checked out the Direct TV site and over there, they are all upset w/ the Direct TV HD DVR box (HR20 700) and apparently even CNET has written to DIrect TV because of all of the customer complaints on their site about that box. But Tivo is limited in its abilities with Direct TV because they don't do business anymore and effectively, if you buy the HR 250 unit, its a ticking time bomb because ultimately, you won't be able to get the HD Local channels when they switch to MPEG 4?

Am I getting this right? All I want is the great software of Tivo in HD for all HD channels through Direct TV, is that too much to ask for?

[dswallow]

Am I missing something or does it seem that right now, there's no great way to do this. I just checked out the Direct TV site and over there, they are all upset w/ the Direct TV HD DVR box (HR20 700) and apparently even CNET has written to DIrect TV because of all of the customer complaints on their site about that box. But Tivo is limited in its abilities with Direct TV because they don't do business anymore and effectively, if you buy the HR 250 unit, its a ticking time bomb because ultimately, you won't be able to get the HD Local channels when they switch to MPEG 4?

Am I getting this right? All I want is the great software of Tivo in HD for all HD channels through Direct TV, is that too much to ask for?
Sooner or later NYC locals will probably move to be MPEG4/Ka-band only, and that'll require one of the newer receivers and a 5-LNB dish. But as to exactly when that'll happen...

a) Not until both national-footprint Ka-band satellites are launched in mid- and late-2007 and become operational.

b) Not until DirecTV has had a chance to inform all those who receive the NYC local HD channels they're going away and need new equipment and have the opportunity to get such new equipment and have it installed.

They'll probably be around at least through a good portion of 2008.

But no matter what, the HR10-250 can record local HD channels via antenna, too. So as long as it stays an active receiver on your DirecTV account, you'll always be able to record local HD channels that way since they're unaffected by DirecTV moving to MPEG4. So if you can receive your locals via antenna, the HR10-250 is, at worst, always going to be able to record your local HD and all the DirecTV SD (and HD) channels available via Ku-band in MPEG2.

Finally, when (and if) the time comes where you need something in MPEG4/Ka-band, you'll probably still be able to get a mostly free replacement DVR from DirecTV, or you could just add a DirecTV receiver to your account that can record those channels. You don't have to give up your HR10-250, you can just supplement it. :)

[kenferm]

Sooner or later NYC locals will probably move to be MPEG4/Ka-band only, and that'll require one of the newer receivers and a 5-LNB dish. But as to exactly when that'll happen...

a) Not until both national-footprint Ka-band satellites are launched in mid- and late-2007 and become operational.

b) Not until DirecTV has had a chance to inform all those who receive the NYC local HD channels they're going away and need new equipment and have the opportunity to get such new equipment and have it installed.

They'll probably be around at least through a good portion of 2008.

But no matter what, the HR10-250 can record local HD channels via antenna, too. So as long as it stays an active receiver on your DirecTV account, you'll always be able to record local HD channels that way since they're unaffected by DirecTV moving to MPEG4. So if you can receive your locals via antenna, the HR10-250 is, at worst, always going to be able to record your local HD and all the DirecTV SD (and HD) channels available via Ku-band in MPEG2.

Finally, when (and if) the time comes where you need something in MPEG4/Ka-band, you'll probably still be able to get a mostly free replacement DVR from DirecTV, or you could just add a DirecTV receiver to your account that can record those channels. You don't have to give up your HR10-250, you can just supplement it. :)



Regarding the antenna that you refer to, while I know this isn't the antenna forum, can you suggest a model for this? Is this an antenna I would put on the roof next to the dish itself??

[dswallow]

Regarding the antenna that you refer to, while I know this isn't the antenna forum, can you suggest a model for this? Is this an antenna I would put on the roof next to the dish itself??
If you can put one out by the dish, I'd suggest the Winegard SquareShooter (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/Antennas/squareshooter.htm). If you want to try one inside first, find a Zenith Silver Sensor (http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-ZHDTV1-HDTV-UHF-Digital-Antenna/dp/B00006FXR9).

Outside is always better than inside. But at only 25 miles from NYC, unless you're in some deep valley and line-of-sight to the Empire State Building is blocked by a massive amount of earth and rock, you should do pretty well with either.

[Aragorn]

Unit went down hard last night, only thing I got for days is Direct TV logo and said installing nothing happen. Then I got the grey screen said starting up nothing... Most likely hard drive failure. Fixed the Hard Drive with some Utilities, so now I can use that via a external drive now for my computers. My question is where can I find the software to re-install on to this hard drive? I have used Weeknees and PTV Upgrades, but there 200 plus bucks, and now I just saw the 250's going for $250 at CompUSA... The good news is Direct TV is sending me there newest DVR but there goes Tivo :(

[stahta01]

Unit went down hard last night, only thing I got for days is Direct TV logo and said installing nothing happen. Then I got the grey screen said starting up nothing... Most likely hard drive failure. Fixed the Hard Drive with some Utilities, so now I can use that via a external drive now for my computers. My question is where can I find the software to re-install on to this hard drive? I have used Weeknees and PTV Upgrades, but there 200 plus bucks, and now I just saw the 250's going for $250 at CompUSA... The good news is Direct TV is sending me there newest DVR but there goes Tivo :(

I would suggest posting in the upgrade forum.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=25
Also, for twenty you can try instantcake.
I have not used instantcake so no idea if it is a good value or not.
Tim S
http://www.dvrupgrade.com/dvr/stores/1/instantcake.cfm

[nidan69]

I had planned to switch my DirecTV service to HD in the near future and have been looking for some HD DirecTiVos (used or new) to buy. Reading this, I am however beginning to think that it may be a waste of my money if DirecTV switches their format to MPEG4. Being that the Series 3 Standalone HD TiVo is not compatible with DirecTV, what other options does one have (I don't want to switch to the DirecTV DVR)? Any ideas anybody?

[Arcady]

Get cable?

[nidan69]

I thought about that, but I would need to buy several stand alone TiVo's and that could become very pricy to say the least. Any word if TiVo has any plans for satellite users?

[dswallow]

I had planned to switch my DirecTV service to HD in the near future and have been looking for some HD DirecTiVos (used or new) to buy. Reading this, I am however beginning to think that it may be a waste of my money if DirecTV switches their format to MPEG4. Being that the Series 3 Standalone HD TiVo is not compatible with DirecTV, what other options does one have (I don't want to switch to the DirecTV DVR)? Any ideas anybody?
Without the cooperation of the satellite provider, there's nothing TiVo or any other third party really can do with satellite signals.

Figure you've got a year or two of the current MPEG2 HD channels on DirecTV remaining around, at least. After that, your HR10-250 doesn't become useless/worthless, it'll just not be able to record the MPEG4 material; it'll still get all the MPEG2 material, including all over the air digital/HD stations you can receive by antenna, and all the DirecTV SD/Ku-band programming. Everyone's viewing habits are, of course, different, but excluding theatrical movies, it seems to me that for the average viewer, there's more HD over-the-air than via cable channels. There's nothing wrong with the idea of using the HR10-250 with DirecTV for the forseeable future and supplementing it with one HR20 for the MPEG4 material.

The TiVo Series 3 unit is the most flexible right now -- but limited to cable and over the air digital channels, not satellite. However there's at least the ability to use it most anywhere in the country since most areas are served by cable companies offering CableCard service. It's a shame the FCC hasn't seen fit to mandate the satellite companies also develop a way that third parties can create products around their video services. Maybe one day.

Don't worry too much about the future beyond a year or so -- you'll never feel safe making a decision -- things can change rather rapidly. And frankly I think the only real answer to your question is that you need to seriously look at cable now, because at least as things look now, that's about the only way you'll get the services/features that you want.

[Rottluver]

The 3-LNB dish is all you'll need. "Local channels in HD" is just ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC. No PBS, CW, MTN or anything else in HD.

But at 25 miles from NYC, you'd probably do rather well with an antenna, too... even an indoor one.
Just out of curiousity, how do you tell if you have a 3LNB dish or a ??????

I just got a smokin deal on a brand new HR10-250 and I am curious if I can hook it up & make it work before I get my HD TV (currently on order)

[dswallow]

Just out of curiousity, how do you tell if you have a 3LNB dish or a ??????

I just got a smokin deal on a brand new HR10-250 and I am curious if I can hook it up & make it work before I get my HD TV (currently on order)
Just look at the dish. If it's got 3 separate "cones" on the end of the arm pointed at the dish, it's the 3-LNB dish.

No matter what, you can certainly hook up your HR10-250 to whatever dish you have now. You just won't receive some of the HD channels if you only have a single LNB dish until such time as you replace the dish.

[Rottluver]

Just look at the dish. If it's got 3 separate "cones" on the end of the arm pointed at the dish, it's the 3-LNB dish.

No matter what, you can certainly hook up your HR10-250 to whatever dish you have now. You just won't receive some of the HD channels if you only have a single LNB dish until such time as you replace the dish.
Thanks. :cool:

[yoneltx]

I had a couple of questions about your equipment. I have a HR10-250 (which I really like - avoiding the term LOVE) and have it connected to an OTA antenna. I get great reception from local network HD channels. I am about to get a HR20-700 and want to know if I will be able to get HD local channels the same way my HR10 has. Also, and I don't know if you would know this but it is worth the try, I have Vonage and want to find out how compatible it is to hook it to the HR20, any ideas, suggestions, comments?

Sincerely,

Yonel

[wpafan]

you wont be able to use an off air antenna with the HR20 yet. the ATSC tuners are not active.. theres supposed to be a software upgrade later this year to activate them.

[dswallow]

you wont be able to use an off air antenna with the HR20 yet. the ATSC tuners are not active.. theres supposed to be a software upgrade later this year to activate them.
That happened in the beginning of December 2006.

[hkprakash7]

How would it be possible to measure the cross-polarization level for the DirecTV signals??? DirecTV claims that the cross-polarization level is -30 dB. Using a spectrum analyzer would it be possible to measure the level?

[dswallow]

How would it be possible to measure the cross-polarization level for the DirecTV signals??? DirecTV claims that the cross-polarization level is -30 dB. Using a spectrum analyzer would it be possible to measure the level?
Why would this be of any importance to you relative to receiving DirecTV? It's not something you can control and is related to the analog signal before demodulating the digital signal and decoding the content.

[hkprakash7]

well Its a part of my project. Hence I'm doing it!!! I know that its not of something which we can control. I've been asked to verify it.

[dealsmith]

Sorry to be a new forum member and not clear as to where to ask a question. This seems close but if I am off track, let me know. I also admit to being "techno-limited"

I have DTV with the HR10-250 at my home in California in order to have HDTV with TIVO. I have a remote vacation home where I used to be able to receive DTV signals but not now. DTVs relatively new satellite and focusing technology has eliminated all but a handful of channels. I have a Series 2 Tivo at the vacation home and it is connected to the internet. I know it will not handle HD but that is not a big problem. I am looking for guidance as to whether I could somehow use a Slingbox in California, then download its content to the Tivo at the vacation home. I have cable modem service at home and dsl at the vacation home. I know I could use a PC at the vacation home to watch the slingbox content but the idea of a 17" screen is not that exciting.

Any help someone can offer will be appreciated.

[bobinalaska]

Hello Listers,
I would like to ADD an HR20-700 with my hr10_250 to the same TV. Can I split the sat signal coming in or do need to run an extra set of inputs from the switch?
Thanks for all your help.
Bob

[dswallow]

Hello Listers,
I would like to ADD an HR20-700 with my hr10_250 to the same TV. Can I split the sat signal coming in or do need to run an extra set of inputs from the switch?
Thanks for all your help.
Bob
You need to run another set of cables from the multiswitch.

[bobinalaska]

I maxed out on the 10 way is there a way to split the satellite inputs to allow for another switch?

[bigpuma]

I maxed out on the 10 way is there a way to split the satellite inputs to allow for another switch?

What do you mean 10 way? Do you have a multiswitch with 10 outputs?

Anyway you can take 4 of the outputs from a multiswitch and input it into another multiswitch to get more outputs. This assumes your multiswitches are cascadable. You might want to detail your installation so we can help you.

[rld1015]

Would you guys see if I have this right for a change in my installation?

Currently I have a single LNB dish with one cable coming in at the back corner of my house. Also have a cable run from here for external antenna. This cable is not being used now. Both cables come from the back corner of the house to a distribution point in the attic just above the garage. From the distribution point I have I two cables run to each room, originally intended for 1 OTA and 1 sat/dvr feed. Currently have RS xx120 OTA antenna in the attic. Going to our main TV (on an inside wall) I use 1 cable for the attic antenna and 1 cable for the feed from the single LNB dish going to just 1 input of my 10-250, losing the ability to record two shows at once. I do not get locals from Direct. OTA analog signal are decent considering we are 13 and 36 miles (and slight difference in direction) from the transmitter, but I cannot turn the antenna to get digital from all stations. If I turn to get good digital from one I lose the other. If I try to compromise, I get drop outs from both directions. Have tried an amplifier, but no help. I suspect multipath issues but I can't move the antenna around in the attic enough to help.

What I think I want to do is throw in the towell on the local Digital and get local from Direct as well the new HD channels and be able to record two programs at once.

Am I correct that I would need four cables from the entry point to my distribution point and put the multiswitch at that location? And then use the two existing cables to each TV/DVR? If I wanted OTA then I would need to fish a third cable to each TV. Running 4 cables from the old entry point or a new entry point to my distribution point would be a real pain but doable. I think this would be easier than running new cables from the entry point to each room. The main tv is on an inside wall and fishing a new cable there would be more that a real pain but possible I guess. Not sure I would still need OTA if I get the locals from Direct.

Sorry this was so long. Any help would be appreciated.

[PortlandPaw]

You're on the right track, but be careful what kind of cable is already in place for your OTA...it may be RG59 which is not acceptable for satellite. It has to be at least RG6. They look almost the same and you may have to carefully examine the printing on the cable to identify.

Don't try to assume away the difference...I discovered that using a 3' length of RG59 between the wall and the TiVo (RG6 for the rest of the run) made the difference between receiving Bravo and other stations and not receiving them. Almost made the difference in our marriage!

Also, you don't need as many cables. Get 5 X 8 switch which has inputs for the four satellite cables and one OTA. Then run two cables to each TV. The OTA gets distributed along with the satellite signal. At each TV you use a diplexer (NOT a splitter!) on one of the lines to separate the OTA from satellite signals and run cables to the two appropriate inputs on your TiVo.

[rld1015]

Thanks !
All cable is RG 6. I put it in myself back before I had heard of multiple cables being required from the dish. I thought I was doing good at the time by running two cables from the entry point to the distribution point and two cables from distribution point to each tv location. Boy was I wrong!
I will be getting a 5 LNB dish I guess. Will Direct run the 4 cables in the attic to the distribution point for the multiswitch or will I have to do that? Also will the multiswitch be ok in the attic? It gets pretty hot up there. Sounds like if I use the diplexers as you mention I will be ok with the 2 existing cables to each tv.
Thanks a lot for the help !!!!

[Tivo_60]

From the first post in this thread:

You can also use the new 5LNB Ka/Ku 'superdish' from DirecTV with the HR10-250 HD TiVo, but you will not be able to record any high definition channels which are in MPEG-4 format (specifically local channels and eventually the entire lineup of HDTV channels on DirecTV).

Does this mean that you can view the new mpeg-4 channels ? If yes, then this seems to contradict another statement in the same post:

DirecTV TiVos and DirecTV HD TiVos will continue to function for an indefinite period but DirecTV HD TiVos will not be able to receive the HDTV programming DirecTV intends to roll out through 2006 and 2007, specifically local channels over satellite

So, what's the true status please ?

[newsposter]

From the first post in this thread:



Does this mean that you can view the new mpeg-4 channels ? If yes, then this seems to contradict another statement in the same post:



So, what's the true status please ?

no mpeg4 can be seen in any way whatsoever on the HDtivo.

[Tivo_60]

no mpeg4 can be seen in any way whatsoever on the HDtivo.

I had a feeling that would be the answer. So why are people buying the HR10-250's on Ebay, at any price?. Hardly seems worth it to receive only 10-15 HD channels now that 75, and counting, are available.

[dswallow]

I had a feeling that would be the answer. So why are people buying the HR10-250's on Ebay, at any price?. Hardly seems worth it to receive only 10-15 HD channels now that 75, and counting, are available.

For one, many people view most content from over-the-air channels, especially the major networks, and that's not going away no matter what DirecTV shuffles around on their satellites.

While it might be necessary to have an HR20 or HR21 for some channels, they can certainly supplement rather than replace HR10's.

[newsposter]

personally i use OTA a lot and it's well worth it for 4 tuners on my 2 units. Then i use HR20 for all the new HD exclusively. Plus it fits a heck of a lot of SD on it. I never even had an HD pack until i got my hr20 last month. Didnt miss the mpeg2 HD stuff at all from satellite.

[Tivo_60]

Ok, thanks to both of you. I have been on the fence now that Verizon Fios cables have been on our street since July, but not yet activated.
I've been looking for a short terrm solution for hd content (I do have OTA) without a commitment and or lease obligation and was considering the low investment HR10-250 alternative. May do it now it spite of the limited ch availability.

[newsposter]

well 2 yr commit is not a short term solution with HDtivo. you cant get out of that.

[tfederov]

Check out my sig for a high level comparison between the HR10 and the HR2x. It also has DISH ViP 622 and 722 in there as well. Hope it's helpful.

[Tivo_60]

well 2 yr commit is not a short term solution with HDtivo. you cant get out of that.
How does activating a used/owned receiver add a commitment to an existing 4yr account ?

tfederov:yes, that comparison is very helpful. The one thing I've heard, but can't confirm, is that the 20 can only pause (90 min) on one tuner. Is that true?

[newsposter]

How does activating a used/owned receiver add a commitment to an existing 4yr account ?




I'm pretty sure activation of any Advanced receiver adds 2 years starting today. In other words, restarts the clock on any other commitments you have. Call to be sure.

[Tivo_60]

I'm pretty sure activation of any Advanced receiver adds 2 years starting today. In other words, restarts the clock on any other commitments you have. Call to be sure.
I called and there is no additional commitment in activating a receiver as described.

[newsposter]

I called and there is no additional commitment in activating a receiver as described.


did i read you correctly that you want to buy an HDtivo off ebay then activate it? If so, then i stand by my 1st answer that there is a commitment for 2 years. If not, then retract my statement :)

Id email directv and ask them so you have this in print. I'd hate to see you screwed by an uninformed CSR.

[dswallow]

did i read you correctly that you want to buy an HDtivo off ebay then activate it? If so, then i stand by my 1st answer that there is a commitment for 2 years. If not, then retract my statement :)

They will let you get away with no commitment extension when activating an owned HR10-250.

[newsposter]

They will let you get away with no commitment extension when activating an owned HR10-250.

1st hand experience or from someone on the forum? In all my readings I've never come across it. I thought any advanced receiver gets it.

great news though, that's for sure.

keywords so maybe someone picks this up on a search: hr10-250 commitment none needed activated used owned receiver Hdtivo

[Tivo_60]

They will let you get away with no commitment extension when activating an owned HR10-250.
Since my post, I searched the forum and found numerous posts mentioning no problems in activating these units, as long as they weren't previously leased, of course.

[newsposter]

Then i sure got ripped when i got an owned unit from newegg and was told 2 year commitment.

[Rottluver]

I bought an HR10-250 on ebay and activated it in October. No contract, no extension, nothing (though I have been a subscriber since 2000). The only issue they gave me was over the $4.99/mo fee because it had been previously listed as leased (even though it was purchased at Best Buy or somewhere like that by the original owner).

One call to a CSR (and then being bumped to their manager) got that wiped off and I am golden. They even list it as owned on my account now. :D

[Tivo_60]

Then i sure got ripped when i got an owned unit from newegg and was told 2 year commitment.
Not really. That was a "retail" purchase and thus the price was subsidized by D*. That kind of subsidy requires a commitment. Different than a used one from Ebay, as in the above post.They'll also let you reactivate a card from an old receiver you have laying around ( I have a p4 in my old RCA that was deactivated 3 yrs ago.

[newsposter]

Not really. That was a "retail" purchase and thus the price was subsidized by D*. That kind of subsidy requires a commitment. Different than a used one from Ebay, as in the above post.They'll also let you reactivate a card from an old receiver you have laying around ( I have a p4 in my old RCA that was deactivated 3 yrs ago.

even reactivate an old (football?) card lol

How would they know i got the receiver at newegg unless I told them? Which i probably did to get it listed as owned vs leased. Point being I guess you could have been dishonest and told them you got it from ebay to avoid commitment.

[bigpuma]

even reactivate an old (football?) card lol

How would they know i got the receiver at newegg unless I told them? Which i probably did to get it listed as owned vs leased. Point being I guess you could have been dishonest and told them you got it from ebay to avoid commitment.

They would know based on the number on the receiver you have to give them when you activate it.

[Tivo_60]

even reactivate an old (football?) card lol

.
The P4(intro 2002) and newer can be activated.
Coincidentaly, Verizon was on our street today making the final connections so Fios will be available in about 10 days.
So it looks like the D* issues are now a moot point.

[azsarge]

Called DTV today and spoke with the CSR. Said 'Cancel' twice at the automated voice prompts, but not sure if I was truly dealing with the Customer Retention department. Not important, I guess

I've been DTV customer for over six years, and own both of my Tivo boxes.

Here's the deal they cut with me:

$0 New 5LNB dish delivered/installed
$0 Leased HD HR20 or HD HR21 delivered/installed
HR20 or HR21 will be replacing my DirecTV Tivo HD HR10-250 - Tivo will be sadly missed. Sniff.

-$120 Credit of $10/mo for 12 months off my basic package
-$120 Credit of $10/mo for 12 months off my HD package (which costs $10/mo so basically HD package for free for one year)

Install scheduled for 12/26 - pretty fast if you ask me, though I may refuse the install and reschedule if they show up with the HD HR21 because I want to keep my OTA antenna (and need HR20 to do so). BTW, this is per DTV instructions. Apparently, they can't simply tell the installer what model to bring. I have to refuse install, request different HD HR20, and reschedule. Ridiculous IMHO.

Additional notes:

$299 IF I wanted to upgrade my second DirecTV NON HD HR10-250 to HD HR20. Passed on this for now as I do not have 2nd HD TV and apparently this deal is available anytime I want it.

OR

$99 IF I wanted to upgrade my second DirecTV NON HD HR10-250 to NON HD HR20. Not sure why I would want to do this?? I asked the CSR and she told me MPEG2 for standard channels would NOT be going away, and thus my older Tivo would continue to function for years to come. Is this accurate? I thought I read that ALL DTV programming would be moving to MPEG4?? Also, she said there is no firm date for the cutoff of HD channels via MPEG2.

Sadly, I still got stuck with the 2-year commitment :^( . However, I could NOT justify going back to Cox Communications for cable. Hope this info helps.

[headscratcher]

Here's the deal they cut with me:

$0 New 5LNB dish delivered/installed
$0 Leased HD HR20 or HD HR21 delivered/installed
HR20 or HR21 will be replacing my DirecTV Tivo HD HR10-250 - Tivo will be sadly missed. Sniff.

-$120 Credit of $10/mo for 12 months off my basic package
-$120 Credit of $10/mo for 12 months off my HD package (which costs $10/mo so basically HD package for free for one year)


Very nice. I went from one CSR to another to a super, and finally ended up with:
$99 lease on an HR21 (I guess) and the install (S&H is on me)
$120 credit on the HD package

For my bounty, I spent 54 minutes in varying states of "on hold." As ammo, I repeated a few times that Dish was giving away the HD DVR and 6 months of free HD programming. And to think, I was this close to upgrading at Costco for $170.

[danielhart]

Here is the deal I got:

Switched out 4 HR10-250's for 4 new HR21s. Free install including new 5lnb dish. Ran 4 new pairs of grounded coax from new dish about 50 feet to new multiswich under my house.

Cost: zero

plus 12 months HDTV credit and six months "appreciation" credit at 10 bucks per so total equals $180.00 credit.

btw - I switched out my own equip inside of the house - I never let installers touch my components...

[rbaron]

I purchased a HR-21 from CostCo. Called D* and set up an appointment for the installers to come in and hook it up.

They put a new antenna, ran a few lines into a new splitter and hooked it all up to a HD TV. I signed the paper and said bye.

Later I looked on line at my bill and saw that they charged me $69.00 for the install. I emailed them and in a few day's a guy called and after explaining that there never was a discussion regarding the installation fee, they took off the $69.00.
Pretty nice I'd say!

[leftheaded]

what are the current tivo models that work with directv? specifically, HD and DVR functionality

[slocko]

depends what you mean by work. if by work you mean get all the channels, the answer is none.

there is only one Tivo with HD capabilities that works with Direct, the HR10-250. This model is old and not available from Direct anymore. It only works with the old satellites that are mpeg2. All the new HD channels from Direct are on new satellites that are mpeg4. This means you can't get them on the 250.

what are the current tivo models that work with directv? specifically, HD and DVR functionality

[bukzin]

depends what you mean by work. if by work you mean get all the channels, the answer is none.

there is only one Tivo with HD capabilities that works with Direct, the HR10-250. This model is old and not available from Direct anymore. It only works with the old satellites that are mpeg2. All the new HD channels from Direct are on new satellites that are mpeg4. This means you can't get them on the 250.
I too would like some thoughts on upgrading to get the mpeg4
HD channels.
I really like my HR10-250 with 'real Tivo'.

I also have an R15 and am not impressed with the DVR program guide. I am thinking the HR-20 is very much the same in terms
of the on-screen guide, is that correct?

What are some of the more popular options for a DVR that can handle the new HD channels?

(is there a better forum for this info?)


Thanks,
Bukzin

[bigpuma]

What are some of the more popular options for a DVR that can handle the new HD channels?

What do you mean the more popular options? There really is only one choice for the new DirecTV HD channels. The HR20 or HR21 which are basically the same except the 21 doesn't have OTA.


(is there a better forum for this info?)


Thanks,
Bukzin

www.dbstalk.com

[airwaves]

Will Tivo ever put out a new HD unit for DirecTV users? I have the DirecTV HD HR21 and it's just not as user-friendly. It also freezes up and restarts from time to time. I just really like Tivo's interface. I'm bummed that the new Tivo HD units are made only for cable.

[Anubys]

Will Tivo ever put out a new HD unit for DirecTV users? I have the DirecTV HD HR21 and it's just not as user-friendly. It also freezes up and restarts from time to time. I just really like Tivo's interface. I'm bummed that the new Tivo HD units are made only for cable.

it's very doubtful...

the HR20 and HR21 have a lot of features that make them better than the current HD-Tivo...you get used to the interface after a while...the HD-Tivo is also prone to freezing and re-booting...just ask for a replacement if yours is giving you trouble...

welcome to the forum!

[Rottluver]

it's very doubtful...

the HR20 and HR21 have a lot of features that make them better than the current HD-Tivo...you get used to the interface after a while...the HD-Tivo is also prone to freezing and re-booting...just ask for a replacement if yours is giving you trouble...

welcome to the forum!

So DTV called me the other day and "offered me a deal". They would give me the new DTV HD DVR, upgrade my satelitte dish and give me access to HD channels (I don't get them currently) but they said I had to give them my HR10-250 in exchange. I did NOT get it from them, nor is it any kind of "lease" so I told them no thanks. They did say that if I didn't want to return my Tivo DVR then it would cost me $99 for the new HD DVR and $25 or 50 for the service call to install the new dish and what not.

Anyone having any luck getting the free upgrade without having to give up your old equipment? :(

[Anubys]

Anyone having any luck getting the free upgrade without having to give up your old equipment? :(

if you can wait, I'm having the installer coming in on Friday...I'll let you know if he took the HR10s with him...

[Joe Q]

I too would like some thoughts on upgrading to get the mpeg4
HD channels.
I really like my HR10-250 with 'real Tivo'.




Your post has me curious.

I switched to Verizon FIOS a YEAR ago.

Due to the mpeg4 switch, I figured that the HR 10-250 was worthless so it is simply sitting in my closet.
I have the original , 'virgin' disk in a static bag and the cloned 250 disk that is in the TIVO has all the cool stuff like TivoWEebPlus,etc.

Your post makes me think that maybe my HR 10-250 might be worth something and I don't mean a '$5 'type amount.

Comments please?

[Anubys]

Your post has me curious.

I switched to Verizon FIOS a YEAR ago.

Due to the mpeg4 switch, I figured that the HR 10-250 was worthless so it is simply sitting in my closet.
I have the original , 'virgin' disk in a static bag and the cloned 250 disk that is in the TIVO has all the cool stuff like TivoWEebPlus,etc.

Your post makes me think that maybe my HR 10-250 might be worth something and I don't mean a '$5 'type amount.

Comments please?

someone posted in another thread (I didn't research it myself) that they go for $50 to $100 on e-bay...

[scbauer]

Looks like it's time to revive this thread...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/03/hell-freezes-over-new-directv-hd-tivo-on-the-way/

I am thinking about getting rid of my Cox cable in favor of DirecTV. Thoughts?

-Scott

[Anubys]

Looks like it's time to revive this thread...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/03/hell-freezes-over-new-directv-hd-tivo-on-the-way/

I am thinking about getting rid of my Cox cable in favor of DirecTV. Thoughts?

-Scott

wow...I'll believe it when I see it...but wow...

as to your question: I got rid of cable a long time ago and never looked back...DirecTV -- despite all the quirks -- is the best out there (service, offerings, and price) as far as I'm concerned...

[Langree]

I will find a way to get HD through D* if this happens!

[mp11]

Looks like it's time to revive this thread...

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/03/hell-freezes-over-new-directv-hd-tivo-on-the-way/

I am thinking about getting rid of my Cox cable in favor of DirecTV. Thoughts?

-Scott

I was considering leaving D* for cable just for Tivo.

[in2psy]

depends what you mean by work. if by work you mean get all the channels, the answer is none.

there is only one Tivo with HD capabilities that works with Direct, the HR10-250. This model is old and not available from Direct anymore. It only works with the old satellites that are mpeg2. All the new HD channels from Direct are on new satellites that are mpeg4. This means you can't get them on the 250.

When Dtv was introducing their new DVR's the HR10-250's could get some small number of HD channels, have those been taken away? And if you have an outdoor antenna you can pick up the local channels in HD. Please advise because my wife has Dtv's latest version of the DVR and it is very frustrating compared to her experience with the HR10-250's. Can we activate the HR10-250's that we own?????:rolleyes:

[Iceblade]

in2psy,

1.) Yes, the limited HD channels broadcast in MPEG2 are still available for the time being. This is supposedly going away in the near future.

2.) Yes, you can still receive OTA HD via an antenna and record it with the HR10-250

3.) Yes, you should be able to re-activate your old HR10-250 and get the same functionality you've always had. That is, until they turn off the MPEG2 HD stations on DirecTV. In which case, you'll only get HD via OTA and an antenna.

Clear as mud?

Regards,
Jeff

[Rottluver]

Will Tivo ever put out a new HD unit for DirecTV users? I have the DirecTV HD HR21 and it's just not as user-friendly. It also freezes up and restarts from time to time. I just really like Tivo's interface. I'm bummed that the new Tivo HD units are made only for cable.

http://www.tivo.com/mytivo/directv-signup.html

[Wild Wild West]

Has anyone got to keep their 250 and still get a good deal on a new HR 20?
Does anyone know how long the TiVo250 will continue to get get TiVo programing updates? I would like to keep my 250 to use for recording OTA programs but it would lose much of its appeal if the TiVo programing goes away.
Thanks for the help
:)

[Eben]

Has anyone got to keep their 250 and still get a good deal on a new HR 20?
Does anyone know how long the TiVo250 will continue to get get TiVo programing updates? I would like to keep my 250 to use for recording OTA programs but it would lose much of its appeal if the TiVo programing goes away.
Thanks for the help
:)

When talking with the D* CSR to get my free HR21+AM21 and dish install, I was told I'd have to hand in my (owned) 10-250. On the day of install, I disconnected my 10-250 before the installer arrived and put it out of sight. After the install, he said nothing about it. After the install, I went online and moved the 10-250's location to another room, then called D* and deactivated the receiver that had been in that room. Still have my 10-250.

[ashleypier]

Good info, thanks for the helphttp://wCs5tWd13003.sharetemple.tv/img/523/w08s1023qitl/icon14.gif

[Wild Wild West]

Originally Posted by Wild Wild West View Post
Has anyone got to keep their 250 and still get a good deal on a new HR 20?
Does anyone know how long the TiVo250 will continue to get get TiVo programing updates? I would like to keep my 250 to use for recording OTA programs but it would lose much of its appeal if the TiVo programing goes away.
Thanks for the help

Response to above question

When talking with the D* CSR to get my free HR21+AM21 and dish install, I was told I'd have to hand in my 10-250. On the day of install, I disconnected my 10-250 before the installer arrived and put it out of sight. After the install, he said nothing about it. After the install, I went online and moved the 10-250's location to another room, then called D* and deactivated the receiver that had been in that room. Still have my 10-250.

Additional question
I still don't know how long the programing updates will be fed to to the 250. What I mean is what shows are on what channel at what time and how long would D continue to provide that info?
Thanks

[Wild Wild West]

Can I keep my 250 and wait until the new HD direct tivo comes out. I know I lose Sat. HD soon but how about reg definition Sat. and HD OTA. Again will D continue to provide TiVo programing info to carry me over until the new TiVo comes out?
Thanks

[shibby191]

Can I keep my 250 and wait until the new HD direct tivo comes out. I know I lose Sat. HD soon but how about reg definition Sat. and HD OTA. Again will D continue to provide TiVo programing info to carry me over until the new TiVo comes out?
Thanks

Sure. Since they still provide guide data to receivers 15 years old and old DVRs like the Ultimate TV that haven't been made in over 5 I think you'll be just fine with the HR10-250. ;)

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by Wild Wild West View Post
Has anyone got to keep their 250 and still get a good deal on a new HR 20?
Does anyone know how long the TiVo250 will continue to get get TiVo programing updates? I would like to keep my 250 to use for recording OTA programs but it would lose much of its appeal if the TiVo programing goes away.
Thanks for the help

Response to above question

When talking with the D* CSR to get my free HR21+AM21 and dish install, I was told I'd have to hand in my 10-250. On the day of install, I disconnected my 10-250 before the installer arrived and put it out of sight. After the install, he said nothing about it. After the install, I went online and moved the 10-250's location to another room, then called D* and deactivated the receiver that had been in that room. Still have my 10-250.

Additional question
I still don't know how long the programing updates will be fed to to the 250. What I mean is what shows are on what channel at what time and how long would D continue to provide that info?
Thanks

I own my two HR10-250's so I got to keep them without question when I leased two HR20-700's about 2 years ago. If you don't own yours, I don't know why you should get to keep them.

Chris

[joed32]

I own my two HR10-250's so I got to keep them without question when I leased two HR20-700's about 2 years ago. If you don't own yours, I don't know why you should get to keep them.

Chris

If he's keeping it active and paying them the $4.99 per month, why not.

[Eben]

Originally Posted by Wild Wild West View Post
Additional question
I still don't know how long the programing updates will be fed to to the 250. What I mean is what shows are on what channel at what time and how long would D continue to provide that info?
Thanks

The 250 will work as long as D sends programming and guide info in MPEG2. It is possible that the little bit of D MPEG2 HD currently available (the channels in the 70s) could be dropped soon, but the rest of the SD channels and guide info should stay MPEG2 for a while.

[baypo]

does anyone know when tivo and dtv are coming out with the new hd dvr?

[Richly917]

does anyone know when tivo and dtv are coming out with the new hd dvr?

According to their Web site they will offer it in the second half of 2009. That's all they said about it. You can read it on their Web site.

[Tucker2]

My question concerning HR10-250’s is I’m currently using a dual LNB round dish with an SD DirecTV/Tivo PVR with a 120 MB hard drive. I’ve just ordered a Plasma HD 46” TV. What I think I want to do is buy a used DR10-250 and a new SL 5PIG-Z dish until DirecTV comes out with the new TiVo box at the end of 2009. My thinking is that since my current box only has S-Video, by going to the HR10-250 I will gain HDMI to the TV. This should, in my thinking make the SD picture better and integrate Off Air HD signals from the locals. I am aware of the lack of MPG4 reception of the unit and will probably not pay the extra for Direct’s HD service and will just receive SD via the satellite like I do now.

So what do you guys think? Is this worth doing? I’ve tried DirecTV box without TiVo and do not think I want to go that route. I live in a rural area and satellite is my only option.

[Anubys]

My question concerning HR10-250’s is I’m currently using a dual LNB round dish with an SD DirecTV/Tivo PVR with a 120 MB hard drive. I’ve just ordered a Plasma HD 46” TV. What I think I want to do is buy a used DR10-250 and a new SL 5PIG-Z dish until DirecTV comes out with the new TiVo box at the end of 2009. My thinking is that since my current box only has S-Video, by going to the HR10-250 I will gain HDMI to the TV. This should, in my thinking make the SD picture better and integrate Off Air HD signals from the locals. I am aware of the lack of MPG4 reception of the unit and will probably not pay the extra for Direct’s HD service and will just receive SD via the satellite like I do now.

So what do you guys think? Is this worth doing? I’ve tried DirecTV box without TiVo and do not think I want to go that route. I live in a rural area and satellite is my only option.

I don't think there's anything wrong with what you're doing...the cost would be minimal ($50, maybe?) to get an HR10-250 since many people have no use for them anymore...and you get to watch OTA in HD...

seems like a waste, in my opinion, of a 46" plasma to not get the HD service...I don't know your reasons for not wanting the non-tivo HD DVR (I hated the idea at first as well) but you need to keep in mind that if history is any indication, the new Tivo DVR will probably be delayed...hey, it could come out early for all I know, but that's not what has happened in the past...on top of that, you'll be dealing with a new machine and software, with all the bugs that come with that...

long story short: what you propose will work but I recommend that you reconsider your decision :D

[newsposter]

My question concerning HR10-250’s is I’m currently using a dual LNB round dish with an SD DirecTV/Tivo PVR with a 120 MB hard drive. I’ve just ordered a Plasma HD 46” TV. What I think I want to do is buy a used DR10-250 and a new SL 5PIG-Z dish until DirecTV comes out with the new TiVo box at the end of 2009. My thinking is that since my current box only has S-Video, by going to the HR10-250 I will gain HDMI to the TV. This should, in my thinking make the SD picture better and integrate Off Air HD signals from the locals. I am aware of the lack of MPG4 reception of the unit and will probably not pay the extra for Direct’s HD service and will just receive SD via the satellite like I do now.



If you watch a lot of OTA, then i'd say you will do just fine. I use my HDtivo for SD and OTA and put all the mpeg4 stuff on the HR20..no SD stuff goes on the HR20 (the real reason is tuner 2 doesnt work well but that's another story)

on CRT RPTV i know hdmi did make a big difference but on plasma, i dont know if hdmi will improve the pic or not. I ran my T60 S vid vs HDtivo with hdmi side by side for a while and the hdtivo was definitely better.

[Anubys]

My question concerning HR10-250’s is I’m currently using a dual LNB round dish with an SD DirecTV/Tivo PVR with a 120 MB hard drive. I’ve just ordered a Plasma HD 46” TV. What I think I want to do is buy a used DR10-250 and a new SL 5PIG-Z dish until DirecTV comes out with the new TiVo box at the end of 2009. My thinking is that since my current box only has S-Video, by going to the HR10-250 I will gain HDMI to the TV. This should, in my thinking make the SD picture better and integrate Off Air HD signals from the locals. I am aware of the lack of MPG4 reception of the unit and will probably not pay the extra for Direct’s HD service and will just receive SD via the satellite like I do now.

So what do you guys think? Is this worth doing? I’ve tried DirecTV box without TiVo and do not think I want to go that route. I live in a rural area and satellite is my only option.

just saw this post on dbstalk (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1961049&postcount=1706)...looks like the new HD Tivo is delayed till 2010 with some speculation that there are problems...

my advice is to take what is currently available and upgrade if the new stuff is all that great...life is too short to wait for the "next best thing"...

[magicsquid]

This may be a silly question, but is it possible to use a "regular" TiVo HD (with two cable card slots in the front) with DirecTV?

I currently am on Time Warner cable using a single multi-stream cable card, but am looking to switch to something else. Is it possible to continue using my existing TiVo HD if I switch to DirecTV?

[classicsat]

Nope. That box has no inputs or control for satellite receivers. It has only RF inputs. The TiVo HD only works with antenna or a QAM cable service with cablecards.

For DirecTV, your choice is their non-TiVo HD DVR or new DirecTV TiVo when it is released, existing DirecTV TiVos which practically are SD only, or a direcTV with a Standalone TiVo, also will be SD, and single tuner also.

[annoyed99]

Sorry for not reading this whole thread, (this is probably old news) but I wanted to share something I heard today. I got an email from directv a couple days ago thanking me for being a loyal customer since 1998 and asking for my feedback. I sent them a note saying I wanted them to bring back Tivo and that I don't like my hr20 dvr interface.

They replied and said they expect to have a new HD tivo receiver in the second half of this year.

I can't wait. I sure hope they don't cripple it.

-K

[robpickles]

Wow! This hasn't been updated in some time. The new Tivo HD reciever is not coming out until 2010 now.

Rob :)

[Sandlapper]

Wow! This hasn't been updated in some time. The new Tivo HD reciever is not coming out until 2010 now.

Rob :)

2010? Do you have a press release about this?

[sjberra]

2010? Do you have a press release about this?

it was reported in the otehr thread concerning this - and over on dbstalk in their thread

[shibby191]

2010? Do you have a press release about this?

Yea, what sjberra said. Tivo announced the delay to 2010 6 months ago now. No further details other then Tivo said in their latest quarterly call that they still planned on the new DirecTV box as soon as they could in 2010...whatever that means.

DirecTV still barely acknowledges Tivo at all in their financial and quarterly calls.

So who really knows other then Tivo says sometime in 2010.

[HiDefGator]

www.solidsignal.com

just buy one big enough and you won't need to cascade them.

[jhrain]

I spoke to DTV today to complain about another failed HR21 box.. the Account Retention rep I spoke to say her boss said TIVO documentation is being printed now and expect customers to place pre-orders soon. Because I was speaking to someone here in the U.S. and she was a TIVO Devotee.. I am inclined to listen. I hope she's right. I can't wait to sink these DTV DVR's..

[bigpuma]

I spoke to DTV today to complain about another failed HR21 box.. the Account Retention rep I spoke to say her boss said TIVO documentation is being printed now and expect customers to place pre-orders soon. Because I was speaking to someone here in the U.S. and she was a TIVO Devotee.. I am inclined to listen. I hope she's right. I can't wait to sink these DTV DVR's..

Never listen to a CSR.

[joed32]

Never listen to a CSR.

You got that right!

[Joey303]

When I asked last week, the CSR said that the new DirecTivo would be out in "a couple of weeks." I hope so.

[whitepelican]

When I asked last week, the CSR said that the new DirecTivo would be out in "a couple of weeks." I hope so.

Look two posts above yours.

[sjberra]

When I asked last week, the CSR said that the new DirecTivo would be out in "a couple of weeks." I hope so.

sorry, a level 1 csr will not have any accurate information, if the unit would be out in "a couple of weeks" the boards would be awash with speculation and FUD posts.

[sluciani]

When I asked last week, the CSR said that the new DirecTivo would be out in "a couple of weeks." I hope so.In the Q&A following yesterday's earnings conference call, Tom Rogers said "latter part" of this year. In previous calls, he's said "2009", "late 2009" and "2010".

[dswallow]

In the Q&A following yesterday's earnings conference call, Tom Rogers said "latter part" of this year. In previous calls, he's said "2009", "late 2009" and "2010".

In other words it's been on schedule for the last 4 quarters, due: "6 months from now." :p

[plazman30]

sorry, a level 1 csr will not have any accurate information, if the unit would be out in "a couple of weeks" the boards would be awash with speculation and FUD posts.

When I called a few weeks ago, I was told that there was "no information" on Tivo availability.

Andy

[sjberra]

When I called a few weeks ago, I was told that there was "no information" on Tivo availability.

Andy

which is the only accurate/truthful statement a level 1 tsr can give you, doubt everything else concerning when and how much when speaking to them.

[shibby191]

which is the only accurate/truthful statement a level 1 tsr can give you, doubt everything else concerning when and how much when speaking to them.

Especially when the Tivo CEO is saying nothing more specific then "later in 2010", what kind of specific dates or info do people expect from a CSR barely making minumum wage and will be burnt out and off to another job in less then 6 months? I think people expect waaaaaay to much from CSRs in companies these days. You will get *accurate* and timely information on forums like this and DBSTalk well before CSRs have the information in hand.

[ibmman69]

I'm really discouraged with the DTV HD Tivo delay. I just bought my first HDTV and am ready to upgrade from my DSR6000, but don't want the crap DTV DVR. SDTV looks really crappy on my nice new TV.

I know as soon as I order the new HD Tivo will come out the next month and I'll be stuck in a 2yr contract. I think I will at least wait for the HR24 DTV DVR because it should be out very soon.

I love Tivo and prefer to support the originators, not imitators, of revolutionary ideas.

[sjberra]

Especially when the Tivo CEO is saying nothing more specific then "later in 2010", what kind of specific dates or info do people expect from a CSR barely making minumum wage and will be burnt out and off to another job in less then 6 months? I think people expect waaaaaay to much from CSRs in companies these days. You will get *accurate* and timely information on forums like this and DBSTalk well before CSRs have the information in hand.

bottom line is and will always be until it is in pipleline in quantity and in use by more then a few people any speculation or "unsurpased informtion" is nothing but blue smoke and mirrors.

[id2.1k]

I'm really discouraged with the DTV HD Tivo delay. I just bought my first HDTV and am ready to upgrade from my DSR6000, but don't want the crap DTV DVR. SDTV looks really crappy on my nice new TV.

I know as soon as I order the new HD Tivo will come out the next month and I'll be stuck in a 2yr contract. I think I will at least wait for the HR24 DTV DVR because it should be out very soon.

I love Tivo and prefer to support the originators, not imitators, of revolutionary ideas.

ok, so how does the DirecTV contract work with equipment?

if i sign up as a new customer and lease from Directv, do i get a choice of equipment? or do i just get whatever equipment the guy has in his truck that will do what i signed up for?

if i lease equipment, and i get, say, an HR23, and then later a new DTV Tivo device comes out, is there any way to upgrade to that DTV Tivo device under the lease terms?

i realize anything regarding this phantom new DTV HD Tivo is conjecture at this point, but, how did it work with the previous DTV Tivo units, and, for that matter, successive equipment upgrades from DTV itself?

[stevel]

1. You get what is on the truck, no matter what the CSR promises you.

2. Whether an upgrade will be possible is unknown. Most likely it will be treated as a new box triggering a new 2-year commitment and a new "lease upgrade" fee.

[id2.1k]

1. You get what is on the truck, no matter what the CSR promises you.

2. Whether an upgrade will be possible is unknown. Most likely it will be treated as a new box triggering a new 2-year commitment and a new "lease upgrade" fee.

yeah, ok, that makes sense (from a DTV point of view anyway).

when they came out with the old DTV Tivo, could you just buy it and move your service onto it?

[TonyD79]

yeah, ok, that makes sense (from a DTV point of view anyway).

when they came out with the old DTV Tivo, could you just buy it and move your service onto it?

Probably. And probably reup your 2 year commitment from that date.

(You said buy. Although you can buy DirecTV boxes, that is quite pricey. Typically you are actually paying up front on a lease, even when you walk into Costco or Best Buy.)

The only way to control what box you get unless you are in an MRV test area and therefore get the HR24, is to "buy" one from a third party that is affiliated with DirecTV such as Costco or Best Buy.

[smcpartlin]

Well we have an OFfice package with several units. 3 of the older HD tivo's and DirecTV is pestering us to replace the units with their mpeg-4 units...

Replace the dishes and the units for free. I told them no. I want the HD Tivo unit that should have been out last year.

Or I would accept DirecTV cable Cards if they would come out with that.

So far nothing.

Our installer for the Chicagoland area claims they spoke to DirecTV upper management and there are no plans to release Tivio units any time in the near future.

[shibby191]

there are no plans to release Tivio units any time in the near future.

Well what they say is true. There is no date for any new unit, only "later this year" from the Tivo CEO. Obviously DirecTV can't give you a release date when Tivo themselves don't even know. :)

[sjberra]

yeah, ok, that makes sense (from a DTV point of view anyway).

when they came out with the old DTV Tivo, could you just buy it and move your service onto it?

there is a HR2X that can be purchased outright - theHR21-Pro, last time I looked the sale price was right arounf 499.00, adding this box will not trigger a commitment - although you may have to get to the access card department to get it straightened out, it seems no tier 1 csr can add a unit without triggering the commitment.

Keep in mind you will probably have to pay for a dish and installation if you go the HR21-Pro route

[id2.1k]

there is a HR2X that can be purchased outright - theHR21-Pro, last time I looked the sale price was right arounf 499.00, adding this box will not trigger a commitment - although you may have to get to the access card department to get it straightened out, it seems no tier 1 csr can add a unit without triggering the commitment.

Keep in mind you will probably have to pay for a dish and installation if you go the HR21-Pro route


so how do the directv "buy" options from DVRupgrade and weaknees (both sponsors of this site, above) work? what kind of relationship are you getting into with directv using one of those options? do you own whatever box you "buy"?

obviously they don't have the new directv hd tivo for sale, but if/when they do, would it be possible to then "buy" the directv hd tivo unit and move service to it? (triggering a new lease shouldn't be an issue, presumably if you buy a directv hd tivo unit, you're planning on sticking with directv).

[vurbano]

Well what they say is true. There is no date for any new unit, only "later this year" from the Tivo CEO. Obviously DirecTV can't give you a release date when Tivo themselves don't even know. :)

Tivo has a contract with Directv and I can guarantee you it doesnt say "whenever" and I can guarantee you they both know the date.

[shibby191]

Tivo has a contract with Directv and I can guarantee you it doesnt say "whenever" and I can guarantee you they both know the date.

Come on now, be real. It's already been delayed twice so whatever "date" is in the contract has already been passed twice. And of course whatever date is in the contract isn't going to be shared to the public.

[shibby191]

so how do the directv "buy" options from DVRupgrade and weaknees (both sponsors of this site, above) work? what kind of relationship are you getting into with directv using one of those options? do you own whatever box you "buy"?

obviously they don't have the new directv hd tivo for sale, but if/when they do, would it be possible to then "buy" the directv hd tivo unit and move service to it? (triggering a new lease shouldn't be an issue, presumably if you buy a directv hd tivo unit, you're planning on sticking with directv).

Not sure why you'd want to actually buy it. You end up paying less by leasing even with the commitment.

Lease - Pay $99 for upgrade (many get it free). Early termination fee is $20 per month left on the 24 month commitment.

Buy/Own - $499.

Both charge the same $4.99 monthly fee if it's not your only receiver, if it is your only receiver then there is no monthly fee for either.

So let's say you stay with DirecTV at least 6 more months (why would you quit it right away?) your ETF would be $360. So couple that with your up front you're at $460. I guess you could eBay the owned receiver and you might get $40-50 for it. So the cost end up being about the same. Every month you stay over and above 6 months you save money by leasing over owning.

I never have understood the big deal people make about the commitment or trying to actually own it. Unless you leave the very next month it's almost always cheaper to actually lease. Plus if you lease and it breaks they will replace it at their cost. If you own and it breaks you're SOL, you will pay for a replacement.

Only reason I can see to not be in a commitment is if you're one that "chases the deal" every year and switches providers. If that's the case good luck finding one that doesn't make you commit to something for the new sub deals, heck even FIOS and many cable companies put you 1-2 year commitments now for the best deals. Charter around here puts you in a 2 yr commitment to get their triple play pack deal.

Choice is yours, there is no "right" answer.

[id2.1k]

Not sure why you'd want to actually buy it. You end up paying less by leasing even with the commitment.
...
Choice is yours, there is no "right" answer.

i guess i'm trying to do a couple of things, but my understanding of the basic situation may be incorrect. i'm trying to:

1. "own" a directv tivo hd outright (when it appears), and not lease the physical unit.
2. "own" the tivo service on that tivo, and not have to pay monthly for that service.
3. pay only the monthly fee for the directv *programming* (and maybe the dish fee, though that one is maybe debatable too.)

i have no idea how directv and tivo would work out their arrangement though, and what fees would be wrapped up in whatever other fees. i just know that i've gotten tremendous mileage and value out of my series *one* tivo with lifetime service over the past 9 years. i'd like to see if i can replicate that with HD and directv.

[samo]

i guess i'm trying to do a couple of things, but my understanding of the basic situation may be incorrect. i'm trying to:

1. "own" a directv tivo hd outright (when it appears), and not lease the physical unit.
2. "own" the tivo service on that tivo, and not have to pay monthly for that service.
3. pay only the monthly fee for the directv *programming* (and maybe the dish fee, though that one is maybe debatable too.)

i have no idea how directv and tivo would work out their arrangement though, and what fees would be wrapped up in whatever other fees. i just know that i've gotten tremendous mileage and value out of my series *one* tivo with lifetime service over the past 9 years. i'd like to see if i can replicate that with HD and directv.
Not possible.
1. New unit will be available for lease only.
2. You will be paying monthly sub fees to DirecTV. Lifetime option will not be available.
3. You will be paying for programming, HD fees, additional receiver fees and whatever additional fees DirecTV will charge for TiVo.

[id2.1k]

Not possible.
1. New unit will be available for lease only.
2. You will be paying monthly sub fees to DirecTV. Lifetime option will not be available.
3. You will be paying for programming, HD fees, additional receiver fees and whatever additional fees DirecTV will charge for TiVo.

any educated guesses out there as to $ amount for premiums that will be associated with the new dtv tivo hd?

[shibby191]

any educated guesses out there as to $ amount for premiums that will be associated with the new dtv tivo hd?

Nobody knows and there have been no hints. Many think it might be in the $3-$5 a month range but who knows, could be 2 bucks, could be 10.

But it's no different then a stand alone Tivo, you *will* be paying a monthly fee no matter what. Only difference is no lifetime option. With this new box Tivo feels that people will pay more for it and DirecTV is happy to pass that extra cost on.

But counting on anything is really setting yourself up for disappointment. Right now the new DirecTivo doesn't exist, it's basically vaporware that has been delayed twice already. It's getting to the point it will be surprising to see it out by the end of the year. So I personally wouldn't make any decisions on the hope this box comes out this year, if ever.

[smcpartlin]

OK so we will have to lease it... how is that going to effect people that hack the tivo box to enable features that have been turned off.

Most noteably is the ethernet port and the ability to access stored programming on the HD so you can drag the video off of the Tivo and play on a laptop/ computer whatever.... We have the 10-250 HD Tivo and I know there are plenty of hacks that let you do this. We never did it because it wasn't worth the trouble.

If we don't own the boxes then they could come and swap out the box any time they wanted. (they may even have the right to fine you for messing with their hardware) Thus I hope there is a way to just buy the box through someone at some "full" price allowing you to mess with the software to a certain degree.

Personally I would just say this:

If DirecTV just made a cable card adapter so a Windows Media Center PC could become the DVR for HD SAT content I think the Tivio might go the way of the dodo. I would just set up 2 to 4 Media Center "servers" and start recording all the content that my viewer would want... then archive everything on huge data stores... purging when we get over 20-40 TB the oldest/least desired content. Allowing realtime streaming of "live" programming for x number of users and your done. This would also be the cheaper method for bars to show programming accross multiple TV's. and far simpler. (maybe not cheap for the ave home user but cheaper then what places like BW3's does now)

But as it seems there is no option for Cable Cards for DirecTV (would call em' something diffrent I guess if they did)

We have no idea when a new DirecTV unit with Tivio will ship, we only can assume we can't buy it, and we have no idea but assume adv features will be crippled on the units. Slingbox is trying to get time-shifting built right into the boxes for DISH network (some may already have the feature) and they are trying to really get it going.... It's a very nice function if you have good internet connections. I doubt we can expect something similar from DirecTV.

I'm more than fed up with DirecTV. We don't want to switch to cable. Plus we don't a crap DVR. If it's not a Tivio it's most likely crap.

[stevel]

I fully expect that the new TiVo box will not be hackable.

[id2.1k]

I fully expect that the new TiVo box will not be hackable.

then that would be an electronics industry first then, wouldn't it?:)

[shibby191]

then that would be an electronics industry first then, wouldn't it?:)

Eh? None of the DirecTV DVRs are "hackable" and the DirecTV had a huge issue with the old DirecTivo's being hackable, thus why the last DirecTivo model was only hackable with a hardware chip hack (if I remember correctly). You can bet good money that DirecTV won't let this new DirecTivo on the market if it is hackable, especially in terms of taking content off the hard drive. It was announced to "run on the DirecTV network platform". Thus you can also bet that if it has MRV it will be DirecTV's version of MRV, not Tivo's. It will most certainly not have Tivo 2 Go on it. If you're expecting anything beyond the Tivo UI and what comes with that (wishlists, suggestions, etc) then you're going to be disappointed. Certainly we don't know for sure but in taking what is publicly known along with the SEC filings, the past DirecTivo units and what DirecTV is trying to build, these are good bets to make.

[id2.1k]

Eh? None of the DirecTV DVRs are "hackable" and the DirecTV had a huge issue with the old DirecTivo's being hackable, thus why ...

hey, ok, i'll take your word for it. but i suspect directv dvr's "aren't hackable" because there's no real incentive to do so. if there were a payoff, i'd bet it could be hacked.

[stevel]

There's as much an incentive as there is for TiVos. People have tried.

[biarmafterb]

mdgm wrote:Well you should follow chirpas advice and contact tech support.

[toobleu]

For what it is worth, I talked to a field technician the other day, and he claimed to have actually seen the new DirecTV HD Tivo at some tech forum. He had no idea when it would be released, but felt that if they are showing it to techs, it might be in the next few months.

[litzdog911]

For what it is worth, I talked to a field technician the other day, and he claimed to have actually seen the new DirecTV HD Tivo at some tech forum. He had no idea when it would be released, but felt that if they are showing it to techs, it might be in the next few months.

Current rumors are this summer.

[mtgranny]

I have tried to stay loyal to TiVo for 8+years. I moved 5 years ago. I have no antenna service. I have no Cable service. I have 3 TiVos unusable except for Tivo games and podcast, streaming, etc. I am stuck with Direct TV. I am stuck with promises that a DTV-TiVo HD unit will be out "next year". I am beginning to lose faith. Being without TiVo TV programming for 5 years has about weaned me off the desire to return. The only winner in all this is DTV and TiVo. Both are getting money from me and neither seem interested in providing me with DTV-TiVo HD service. It is time for me to set a deadline of my own and move on. Perhaps by June 1st. If nothing then, I need to get over my grieving and find a way to enjoy HD program capture on my home networked computers.

[litzdog911]

I have tried to stay loyal to TiVo for 8+years. I moved 5 years ago. I have no antenna service. I have no Cable service. I have 3 TiVos unusable except for Tivo games and podcast, streaming, etc. I am stuck with Direct TV. I am stuck with promises that a DTV-TiVo HD unit will be out "next year". I am beginning to lose faith. Being without TiVo TV programming for 5 years has about weaned me off the desire to return. The only winner in all this is DTV and TiVo. Both are getting money from me and neither seem interested in providing me with DTV-TiVo HD service. It is time for me to set a deadline of my own and move on. Perhaps by June 1st. If nothing then, I need to get over my grieving and find a way to enjoy HD program capture on my home networked computers.

Set your deadline a couple months later and I think you'll be happy. Latest rumors are that the new HD DirecTivo should appear this summer.

[Rainy Dave]

What is "TiVo TV programming"?

[Stoystown]

I have DirecTv. Until about 6 months ago, I had a DirecTv SD Tivo. Then it died, and they sent out a new direcTv SD dvr.

It's ok.

My in-laws have an DirecTv HD dvr.

It's ok too.

The day I can get an HD Tivo on DirecTV, I will order it. I would pay the box fee, plus $5 a month for the Tivo software, above the DVR fee. No question. I have been waiting to do so for more than a year.

If I could get baseball games and ESPN over the air, I would get a stand alone Tivo with lifetime and cancel my DirecTv. But I can't. I pay my DirecTv bill every month for the sports programming. I get a bunch of shopping channels, a few movie channels (the free ones) and HGTV tossed in on top. I know that's not what the contract says, but that's how I perceive it.

[Rcrew]

Set your deadline a couple months later and I think you'll be happy. Latest rumors are that the new HD DirecTivo should appear this summer.

Hey Dog! 3 months later, any rumor updates? I'm happily sitting here 10 years with my SD TiVos, but planning the switch to HD. Had occasion to actually talk to DirecTV this morning, and they offered me free HD hardward, but of course not TiVoHD.

Sometime between now and 12 month I will have a new HD TV ready for inputs of some kind! Still hope it will be TiVo software.

TIA for any updates you know of.

[litzdog911]

Nothing good. Looks like it's still a few months away. Crazy, huh?

[bajabingo]

wow this thread is old

[bukzin]

OK, today is Dec 4th.

Any new thoughts on Tivo programming?

[litzdog911]

OK, today is Dec 4th.

Any new thoughts on Tivo programming?

Rumors are that the new DirecTV/Tivo will be released this month.

[bukzin]

Is that the HR-34 that I heard about?

Any details?

[stevel]

No, it is not the HR34.

[bukzin]

Could you give us more detail?

features, model number, when we can buy/rent it?


Thanks!

[stevel]

Nobody knows yet. When (if) it makes its appearance I am sure you will read about it here.

[Rainy Dave]

Could you give us more detail?

features, model number, when we can buy/rent it?


Thanks!
THR22. You currently can't get it. Should be available from DirecTv, Solidsignal.com when it is released.

[vader88]

I just got off the phone with DirecTv complaining about my HR21 and it's slowness. Was asking about getting a HR24 and while talking I asked about the Tivo. She looked it up and said it launches Dec 8, 2011. The price is 199.00 and if I renew my contract it would be 99.00. The Tivo service is 5.00 additional, I don't know if this is in addition to the DVR charge we already paid. I'm supposed to call back and get the deal, but not sure which way I'm going to go yet, I do miss my Tivo though.

[litzdog911]

I just got off the phone with DirecTv complaining about my HR21 and it's slowness. Was asking about getting a HR24 and while talking I asked about the Tivo. She looked it up and said it launches Dec 8, 2011. The price is 199.00 and if I renew my contract it would be 99.00. The Tivo service is 5.00 additional, I don't know if this is in addition to the DVR charge we already paid. I'm supposed to call back and get the deal, but not sure which way I'm going to go yet, I do miss my Tivo though.

Yes, the extra $5/mo is a Tivo fee that's in addition to your current DVR fee.

[BlackBetty]

http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/forums/displaypost?postID=10979789

[feldon23]

Backup of the original FAQ:

http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDFAQ_OpenCable.gif
CableLabs/OTA HD TiVo -- Fall 2006 release

http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDFAQ_CCTiVo.jpg

At the CES 2006 show, TiVo announced a standalone HD TiVo prototype with two CableCard tuners and Over-the-Air (OTA 8VSB) ATSC tuners. The unit was capable of receiving, recording, and performing all TiVo functions on local analog Cable and digital Cable and digital HDTV Cable broadcasts as well as digital HDTV over-the-air broadcasts. More information on this Series 3 TiVo, which will be released in mid-to-late 2006, will be made available in a companion FAQ.

In 2003, TiVo demoed a standalone HD TiVo prototype with two Over-the-Air (OTA 8VSB) ATSC tuners. The unit was capable of receiving, recording and performing all TiVo functions on local digital/HDTV broadcasts received through an antenna. Lack of market interest stalled further development.



http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDFAQ_DirecTV.gif
DirecTV HD TiVo -- April 21st, 2004

http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDFAQ_DTiVo.jpg (http://www.cesweb.org/shared_files/innovations/innovations_2004/2787/mainphoto2787.jpg) Back of HDTiVo (http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/hdtivoDTVback.jpg)

In April 2004, DirecTV launched the DirecTV HR10-250 DirecTV with TiVo with 250GB capacity offering ~30 hours of high definition, ~200 hours of standard definition recording, or any combination of the two. *Actual recording time will vary depending on the type of programming being recorded. [Press Release...] (http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/aboutus/headline.dsp?id=12_18_2003A)
[ Specifications Front ] (http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDTivo_Flyer2a.jpg) [ Specifications Back ] (http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDTivo_Flyer1a.jpg)

DirecTV HD TiVos contain 2 DirecTV SD/HD/OTA tuners (a total of 3 coax inputs) which can receive/record standard definition and high definition programming from DirecTV as well as local digital/HDTV broadcasts brought in by an antenna. 2 tuners means 2 different shows can be recorded simultaneously.

DirecTV HD TiVos were introduced with an MSRP of $999 but can now be found for $400 or less.


What is the future of the DirecTV HD TiVo?

After the acquisition of DirecTV by Rupert Murdoch, DirecTV announced the dissolution of their partnership with TiVo and introduced their own competing DVRs developed by Murdoch's partner company NDS. The NDS-designed standard definition DirecTV DVR was released in October 2005 and the High Definition NDS DVR is slated for a mid-2006 release. In light of this news, TiVo has introduced a standalone OTA/CableCard TiVo and is also developing a DVR with Comcast.

DirecTV TiVos and DirecTV HD TiVos will continue to function for an indefinite period but DirecTV HD TiVos will not be able to receive the HDTV programming DirecTV intends to roll out through 2006 and 2007, specifically local channels over satellite. This is because this new programming is in MPEG-4 and will be broadcast from different satellite orbital locations, neither of which the TiVo models recognize.


What ports and cables does the DirecTV HD TiVo include?

DirecTV HD TiVo ports include two USB2.0 ports (reserved for future use), 1 Component (RGB) video output, 1 HDMI output, 1 S-Video output, 1 Composite video output, 1 Stereo audio output, 1 SPD/IF Optical output, and 1 Modem jack.

DirecTV HD TiVos ship with these cables: Coax F-type (for satellite), RCA (Yellow/red/white), S-Video, Component (red-green-blue cable which is PbPrY standard), HDMI-DVI adapter, HDMI-HDMI cable, Optical (Dolby Digital), Power.


The High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) connector with High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) is the only digital video output on the HD TiVo. Component video is high definition but not actually digital. An HDMI cable is included, as is a DVI-to-HDMI adapter.

NOTE: HDTVs with HDMI or DVI ports that are not running HDCP may not receive a picture through the HDMI port for certain PPV and sports programming at the broadcaster's discretion.



What output formats/resizing does this DirecTV HD TiVo support?

The DirecTV HD TiVo always displays programming at the selected output resolution. If the TiVo is set to output 1080i, then 720p shows (from ABC or ESPN) will be converted to 1080i prior to display. If you wish, and your HDTV does a better job natively displaying 720p, then you may change the output resolution to 720p when watching 720p material (there is, unfortunately, no on-screen indication of the source material's format).

NOTE: There is no "native" mode where the output format is automatically switched to match the source material.

You can change the output format the TiVo is using through a Setup menu or by simply pressing the UP arrow on the remote while watching a program. The output resolutions the TiVo will toggle between are 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i.


NOTE: DirecTV HD TiVos WILL NOT output a composite (S-Video/yellow RCA) signal simultaneously with an HD signal (Downconversion). Don't throw away that standard DirecTV TiVo just yet!

DirecTV HDTiVos can only display a standard definition picture (over S-Video or Composite video outputs) if the TiVo is set to 480i display.


DirecTV HDTiVos have Stretch Modes allowing you to display 16:9 or 4:3 material stretched to fit 16:9 Widescreen HDTVs or 4:3 digital TVs. There are no zoom/crop/justify (aka "coke bottle") modes but these may be added later in software upgrades.


Will the DirecTV HD TiVos support Home Media Option and Networking?

DirecTV HD TiVos run a variant of the same 3.1 software seen on the current DirecTV TiVos. Neither version 4.0 of the software nor Home Media Option networked media features are expected.


Where can I see a demo of the DirecTV HR10-250 with TiVo?

http://zdnet.com.com/1601-2-5141247.html


What hardware do I need from DirecTV?

Most DirecTV customers have a round dish with a single dual LNBF 'head'. This enables them to receive programming from DirecTV's main satellite positioned at the 101 degrees.

HDTV, Spanish, and Chinese programming all require an elliptical (oval) dish with 2 or 3 LNBF 'heads'. This adds the ability to receive programming from DirecTV's three MPEG-2 satellites at 101, 110, and 119 degrees. Older DirecTV elliptical dishes come with 2 LNBFs 'heads' (101 and 119) and a space in between. A 'Sat C Kit' will give your older dish the ability to see 110.

Phase III DirecTV elliptical dishes have the circuitry necessary to receive all 3 satellites sealed inside the 'arm' of the dish. DirecTV enthusiasts have also been known to use 3 separate round dishes, each pointed at 101, 110, and 119 degree positions!

You can also use the new 5LNB Ka/Ku 'superdish' from DirecTV with the HR10-250 HD TiVo, but you will not be able to record any high definition channels which are in MPEG-4 format (specifically local channels and eventually the entire lineup of HDTV channels on DirecTV).

DirecTV HDTV programming at 110 (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/directvusa110.shtml):
ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, Discovery HD, HDNet Movies, Showtime HD

DirecTV HDTV programming at 119 (http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/directvusa119.shtml):
HDNet, HBO HD, HD Pay-per-view


http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/dishtypes.jpg

All elliptical dishes either have a 4x4 multiswitch bolted onto the back of the dish (101/119), or integrated into the arm of the dish (Phase III).

The FOUR wires that come out of the dish are all "switched" outputs which means that any of the 4 wires can see either side of any of the 3 satellites.

This is why you cannot use a splitter, because signal tones and voltages are sent up the wire FROM the DirecTV receiver TO the dish (or multiswitch) asking for the satellite feed they need to display the requested channel.

To take full advantage of a DirecTV with TiVo or DirecTV HD TiVo receiver/recorder, you must have TWO wires from the dish/multiswitch connected to them. Ordinary DirecTV receivers each require ONE wire from the dish/multiswitch.


1 room wired for HD (http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/direcTVmultiswitchHDTiVo2x4.gif) (less trouble, more economical)
Using a 2xX multiswitch to provide the 101 satellite to certain receivers and still having 2 outputs which can see all 3 satellites (101/110/119).


All rooms wired for HD (http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/direcTVmultiswitchHDTiVo.gif) (future proof)
Using a cascading 4x8 multiswitch to provide 8 outputs which can see all 3 satellites (101/110/119).


A DirecTV with TiVo HDTV receiver and the appropriate dish are the only equipment you need to receive and record the HDTV programming offered by DirecTV.


What DirecTV HDTV packages are available?

http://feldoncentral.com/TiVo/HDFAQ_Logos.gif
plus ESPN 2!

DirecTV customers with the HBO and Showtime packages can (with an HDTV receiver and the right dish) also receive the corresponding HBO HD and/or Showtime HD channel.

DirecTV also offers a premium package of HDTV channels for $9.99. This presently includes HDNet, HDNet Movies, Discovery HD, ESPN HD, and ESPN 2 HD. Subscribers to NFL Sunday Ticket and/or NBA HDTV will get to see selected games in HD on those channels but may need to purchase the exhorbitant NFL Sunday Ticket SUPERFAN add-on package. And finally, Spice TV now presents selected adult video entertainment in High Definition on DirecTV's PPV channel.

DirecTV offers local networks in High Definition using the new MPEG-4 format which cannot be viewed or recorded on any TiVo device.

DirecTV offers CBS HD New York and Los Angeles to certain customers who qualify. If you currently receive CBS as a 'Distant Local' from New York or Los Angeles, then you qualify for CBS-HD NY/LA from DirecTV.

Also, if you live in one of the following markets, you may also qualify for CBS-HD NY/LA from DirecTV: Austin, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Los Angeles, Marquette, Miami, Minneapolis, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Green Bay.

Also, if you live in one of the following markets, you may also qualify for Fox-ED NY/LA from DirecTV: Atlanta, Austin, Birmingham, Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Greensboro, Houston, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Memphis, Milwaukee, New York, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, St. Louis, Tampa, and Washington DC.

[ More Info... ] (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347953)

[feldon23]

Coming out of extreme lurking just to update this old FAQ.

Hopefully a moderator can rename the thread to:
** DirecTV HD TiVo HR10-250 Legacy FAQ **

and then someone can create a new FAQ about the DirecTV HD TiVo THR22.

[timth30]

what is HD TiVo And HD DirecTV TiVo FAQ TiVo Community

[sk33t3r]

I called DTV the other day to replace a standard receiver and inquired about the THR22 and was told I could get it, and I am NOT in one of the testing markets. Problem is I just ordered my son a hd receiver non dvr and havent activated it yet, so im thinking about returning it to upgrade to a THR22

[picardone]

Hi
If I have 2 direct tv tivo units would I be able to watch something off of the play list on the other tivo unit. I also have a series 2 tivo will that share the playlist to the direct tv tivos and visa versa.
Thanks
Mike

[litzdog911]

Hi
If I have 2 direct tv tivo units would I be able to watch something off of the play list on the other tivo unit. I also have a series 2 tivo will that share the playlist to the direct tv tivos and visa versa.
Thanks
Mike

No. DirecTV/Tivo DVRs do not have the "Whole Home DVR" feature.

[sjberra]

give me a link please

http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=194

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=199680

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=199334

Like those that show it does not work with the Directv feature?

[higcom]

Can anyone provide the code to remove the parental password on the Philips Direct Tv with Tivo DSR 708? Thanks, Frank

[stevel]

My understanding is that there is no code. Instead, you call DirecTV, verify that you are the subscriber and they can cause a signal to be sent to remove the password. You may have to push this through various CSRs until you find one that understands the issue (and that it is a TiVo.)

[litzdog911]

Can anyone provide the code to remove the parental password on the Philips Direct Tv with Tivo DSR 708? Thanks, Frank

Steve's correct. There's no "code". You must call DirecTV and request that they reset the password. And you'll need to prove that you're the account holder.