Read this if you want to use your Series2 DVR with a wireless adapter

[TiVoStephen]

[Note: This article is now very out of date -- it was written in 2003 and last updated in 2004.

For updated information; please visit http://www.tivo.com/adapters/ for the latest information about wireless adapter compatibility. Note that most boxes you purchase are now able to complete Guided Setup without having to use a phone line. We also now sell our own TiVo-branded adapter from http://store.tivo.com/ and in addition, the new Series2 DT units have built-in Ethernet.]

[Updated on 11/18/04 to add information about the D-Link DWL-120 ver. F adapter, and to restructure the article.]

If you'd like to set up your Series2 Standalone DVR to use a wired or wireless adapter, in order to allow you to make connections via broadband and to avoid the use of a phone line, and to allow use of the Home Media Features (http://www.tivo.com/1.2.13.asp), here's what you need to know.

First, please read this support article to learn about which adapters are compatible with your Series2 Standalone DVR:
http://www.tivo.com/adapters/
That article is always updated before this post, so that article may have more recent information then the information below.

(What's a Series2 Standalone DVR? Any TiVo-branded unit, any AT&T unit, the Sony SVR 3000, any Toshiba unit, any Pioneer unit, and any Humax unit. For all Philips HDR units and the Sony SVR2000: You have a Series1 unit, and this post doesn't apply. This post also doesn't apply to any DIRECTV with TiVo Receivers -- if you want support for broadband, you'll need to contact DIRECTV and tell them you'd like to request that they make networking support available as a feature.)

NOTE: You will NOT be able to use a wireless adapter to complete Guided Setup. Instead, you will need to use a phone line both during Guided Setup, and probably for the first call afterwards that will download the new software. If you don't have a phone line, you have two options: Take your unit to a friend or neighbor's house and borrow their phone line. Complete both Guided Setup AND the next call afterwards to download the latest software (see below).
If you have a wired (NOT wireless) adapter that you can borrow or use temporarily, there is one possible workaround to avoid a phone line, described in this thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=149653). (Also, please see this article about "Can I Use My Broadband Connection to Repeat Guided Setup?" (http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root/public/tv1164.htm?).)You will NOT see any networking options until after your adapter is recognized. In order for your adapter to be recognized, you MUST be running the software that supports your adapter.

Here are supported adapters and what version is required: Linksys WUSB11 v2.6 -- TiVo software version 4.0.1 or later required
Linksys WUSB11 v2.8 -- TiVo software version 4.0.1a or later required
Linksys WUSB11 v3.0 -- TiVo software version 4.0.1b or later required
Linksys WUSB11 v4.0 -- NOT compatible with any DVR
Netgear MA111 v1 -- TiVo software version 4.0.1b or later required
Netgear MA111 v2 -- NOT compatible with any DVR
Belkin F5D6050 v2000 -- TiVo software version 4.0.1b or later required
D-Link DWL-122 -- TiVo software version 4.01b or later required
D-Link DWL-120 ver. E -- TiVo software version 4.0.1b or later required
D-Link DWL-120 ver. F -- TiVo software version 4.0.1c or 5.3b required -- see below for how to get this special software
NOTE: If you have an older TiVo Series2 with a TiVo Service Number that begins with 110, 130 or 140, not all of the above adapters are compatible with your unit. Check the compatible adapters list (http://www.tivo.com/adapters/) for details.

If your adapter is NOT listed above, check the compatible adapters list (http://www.tivo.com/adapters/), because there are a few other adapters that are compatible. But, if your adapter is NOT listed in the article, it will most likely NOT work at all. Our apologies for any inconvenience.

You can find out what version of TiVo software you're running by going to the System Information screen, under Messages & Setup. (If you're in the middle of Guided Setup, you can get to the System Information screen by choosing "Other" or "None of the above" from some screens.)

You can find out what the latest software version is by reading this article (http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv2154.htm?).

With one exception (see below), you will always automatically receive the latest software when your DVR make its next connection AFTER you complete Guided Setup. So, after you finish Guided Setup, just force another connection to the TiVo service. To force a connection:
TiVo Central -> Messages & Setup -> Settings -> Phone & Network -> Connect to the TiVo service now

This connection must also be made via phone line. You must wait for the call to be fully successful (and note that this call will take up to an hour to complete). The connection status will be listed as "Pending restart" after the software is fully downloaded and ready to be installed. If the call fails for any reason (for example, you picked up the phone line and interrupted the call), just keep trying until the status says "Pending restart." (Note that at some point, you might return to live television automatically. That's okay, the call is still in process; you can go back to the Settings screens to check on the call's status.)

After your connection status says "Pending restart," you can either wait until 2 am for your unit to restart and install the new software automatically, or you can restart it yourself at any time (unplug it, wait a minute, then plug it back in). After the DVR finishes restarting, the latest software will be installed and your wireless adapter will be recognized. See this article (http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv2013.htm?) if you need help configuring your adapter.

If you'd like to use the D-Link DWL-120 ver. F adapter, you will need to request a special software version that supports that adapter. This software version is NOT delivered by default -- instead, you have to sign up your TiVo Service Number to receive it. Use this web page:
http://research.tivo.com/DLink120/

Follow the instructions on that page to request the software for your unit to support the D-Link DWL-120 ver. F adapter.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best regards,
Stephen

[LoadStar]

(bump - mods, care to make this sticky?)

[dig_duggler]

bee-ump
emailed tivo manager at 4:00
got reply at 4:05 that it was in the pipeline and would be 50 min
downloaded and installed by 6
up and running now
Thank you very much Tivo Manager!

[cman2000]

Just sent my TiVo info to estephen@tivo.com and hopeful to see a response when they can get to it.

[TiVoStephen]

[NOTE added on 5/25/04: When I first started this thread and wrote the below reply on 12-27-03, 4.0.1b had not been released and the only way to get it was to sign up on a priority form or e-mail me. Since 4.0.1b has now been released to all customers, there is no priority form, and there's no need to e-mail me to get 4.0.1b. My first post in the thread above is the latest and current information. Thanks, Stephen]

cman2000 is taken care of... :)

[matthewwhite]

Thanks Steve for sending the update. Steve must work 24/7. I contacted him late last night and the update was ready in less than an hour.

I got the Tivo from my wife for Christmas, (this was a major victory as she is reluctant to adopt "new" technology). When she saw the phone cord running across the living room she would alternate between fits of laughter and mockery. I'd like to thank Steve for sending the update promptly so I could regain my technological pride. Instead of sneering, she simply says "neat."

Now that I have the wireless in place (a D-Link DWL-122), I'm going to slowly plant the seed for the need of the HMO. I predict it will take just about six months. I just missed the free trial, I bet I could have her loving it in a month if she didn't have to agree to spend the $100 first.

Thanks again TiVoOpsMgr...

Matt

[mistereed]

Hi, just posted my service number to the email address. Thanks much!

[ufo4sale]

why isn't this a sticky yet?

[Dmtalon]

Hey everyone,

I just wanted to send out a public thanks to Stephen for quickly making the 4.0.1a update available to me today.

I emailed him and within 5 minutes received a response that said I could force an update in around 50 minutes. 50 minutes later I forced a phone update, and an hour later I had my updates. Restarted the Tivo and it recognized my v2.8 Linksys WUSB11. After a few minutes configuring the wifi / network, I was able to force a second call without the phoneline!! woohoo!!

Thanks again Stephen

Dallace

[ufo4sale]

Isn't technology great when it works.:)

[dig_duggler]

I wanted to re-emphasize my amazement and appreciation at the speed and convenience that Tivo Manager has presented in this instance, and just his overall presence here, which isn't required but is done (smartly) at cultivating good customer relationships. It reminds me why I love Tivo and always heartily recommend it, even to my non-techie parents.

[voorson]

I am headed to the store tomorrow to get a wireless adapter and a wireless router. I have read the above, does it matter what kind of router I get? I dont think it should. I want to get a Linksys 2.4GHz Wireless-G Access Point router and I will look for an adapter like you suggested. Do I need anything else at this point?
I have a brand new TiVo.

Thanks

[tomo_kun]

now mind you, when he mentiond sony branded, he means the SVR-3000, not the SAT-T60 or the SVR-2000

[TiVoStephen]

Absolutely right, tomo_kun, thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately only Series2 standalone units (TiVo 40, 60 and 80 hour, AT&T 40 hour, Sony SVR3000, Toshiba Digital Media Server with TiVo, and Pioneer TiVo-enabled DVD recorders) support broadband.

You'll know if you have the right model if your TiVo Service Number begins with either 110, 130, 140, 1F0, 230, 240, 2F0, 264, 2F4, 275 or 2F5.

[Edit: Oops, fixed my misspelling of tomo_kun's name.]

[Dmtalon]

Originally posted by voorson
Does it matter what kind of router I get? I dont think it should. I want to get a Linksys 2.4GHz Wireless-G Access Point router and I will look for an adapter like you suggested. Do I need anything else at this point?
I have a brand new TiVo. Thanks

I have a Linksys WRT54G (4 port wired router / wifi B/G AP) and I bought the WUSB11B (v2.8) today. I use the wifi router for my laptop(which I'm on now at 54g), my IPAQ5555 (802.11b) and now my Tivo (TCD24004A).

You will need to send an email to Stephen with your Tivo Serial Number so he can set you up to get your updates.

After setting up my Tivo and running through the "guide" I forced a call to Tivo by going to settings / phone settings. This got me version 4.0.1, and emailing Stephen got me 4.0.1a (which you need for the v2.8 adapter)

Hope this all makes sense.

Dallace

[timdaniels]

Stephen,

I fired off my email request before reading all of the posts. Sorry!

[futerfas]

Originally posted by ufo4sale
Isn't technology great when it works.:) Yep, espesally when you have a 2.6 version ;) :D

[TiVoStephen]

Note: I have updated my first post above to reflect that 4.0.1b (which was previously in beta) is now released as an on-demand release, and replaces 4.0.1a. If you previously requested 4.0.1a, we will be moving you to 4.0.1b over the next few days.

We will work to make getting 4.0.1b as easy as possible, so we are investigating some enhancements to the process. More details forthcoming.

Thanks!

--Stephen

[futerfas]

so i'm assuming that all the adapters in 4.0.1a also work in 4.0.1b, right?

[Dmtalon]

Originally posted by TiVoOpsMgr
If you previously requested 4.0.1a, we will be moving you to 4.0.1b over the next few days.

We will work to make getting 4.0.1b as easy as possible, so we are investigating some enhancements to the process. More details forthcoming.


This means that over the next couple of days / weeks on one of our call-ins we'll get the latest file? Should be a lot nicer being on wifi vs. a crappy phone line :D

[futerfas]

Originally posted by futerfas
so i'm assuming that all the adapters in 4.0.1a also work in 4.0.1b, right? nevermind, i reread tivoopsmgr's post and it does. So will these updates ever be forced onto tivo's, or remain on-demand.

[bedelman]

What's with the units that have TSN's that begin with 1F0, 2F0, 2F4, and 2F5 (as noted on the web form)? I don't recognize those prefixes and they don't match the prefixes listed on the rebate forms which lists the valid Series 2 prefixes as 110, 130, 140, 230, 240, 264, and 275.

[futerfas]

Mabye there the DVD combo units

[TiVoStephen]

"F" units are special units! :)

Dmtalon, yes, anyone who currently has 4.0.1a will be getting 4.0.1b on their next connection. You're correct that since you're now using broadband, it should be a very quick download.

Futerfas, you're right that the 4.0.1a supported adapters are also supported with 4.0.1b -- 4.0.1b just adds support for the Linksys WUSB11 v3.0. But now that 4.0.1b is no longer beta software, we'd rather ease confusion by only having one on-demand release (and we'd rather have customer support not have to deal with too many different software versions), so 4.0.1a is being replaced with 4.0.1b.

I'll post next week as to the status of whether or not we will release 4.0.1b to all Series2 customers.

Thanks,
Stephen

[bedelman]

Originally posted by futerfas
Mabye there the DVD combo units

Nope -- those are the 264 and 275 units.

The update is that these are "special" units. Hmmm....

[futerfas]

According to this (http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root/public/tv1080.htm?#Model) website from tivo.com, those model numbers dont even exist! Hmmm...

[TiVoStephen]

They exist all right.

[futerfas]

Something's fishy, whats so special about the "F" units?

[futerfas]

Mabye their "Free" units, or the "Favorite" of the tivos :)

[patriots2004]

Sent my request to upgrade to 4.0.1b. Please confirm that an update will occur @ noon Pacific on 1/1/04. many thanks

[futerfas]

Ok, enough about this TiVoOpsMgr, let's get back to the real problem here, the F units ;) . What's up with those things? :)

[rseligman]

I still don't understand why this is an "on-demand" release. Customers who buy off-the-shelf wireless adapters, including the "preferred" adapter recommended by TiVo, will face failure when installing them. They only way they'll know how to fix it is if they call TiVo support or find links to requesting the new software on TiVo's site.

I'm a tech- and TiVo-savvy customer, and I still wasn't aware of the on-demand software until I had to fly back home after the holidays, leaving an un-networked TiVo with a non-working adapter behind. :( If so many in this forum had these problems, just imagine how many "regular" customers also did.

Could the cost of updating the software really be more than the support load and frustration brought on by not updating the software? As I write this, there are probably still many customers out there who are not aware that they need to request a software update!

[TiVoStephen]

Rseligman, we are definitely working to make this a general release for all customers instead of an on-demand release. The QE requirements for a general release are much more strict, and require a longer period of testing time. I will update this thread when the release is made available for all customers (although just like any other release, it will take some time before it is rolled out to everyone, to avoid overloading our servers.)

The cost of releasing the software is not a factor in this case. As always, we need to be absolutely certain that there are no issues before releasing software to everyone. But I can promise you that the release will begin as soon as we can.

[rseligman]

Originally posted by TiVoOpsMgr
Rseligman, we are definitely working to make this a general release for all customers instead of an on-demand release. Good to hear. Sorry, I thought I had read that the cost of releasing the update was a factor. I must have misinterpreted something.

I totally understand the quality requirements. It's just unfortunate that the update couldn't have been completed and released prior to the holiday rush, when it was most needed.

[futerfas]

What would be nice if when people complete guided setup or something, a message would pop up saying that if you have these adatpers, go to www.tivo.com for information on how to make them work with the tivo.

[TiVoStephen]

I think I implied that cost might have been a factor for not releasing 4.0.1a to everyone earlier on. That was one factor, plus at the time, v2.8 adapters were already being replaced by v3.0 adapters, and so we decided it would be better to keep 4.0.1a an on-demand release until 4.0.1b was ready, which would be on-demand until it could be released to all. That's now our plan! More concrete details next week.

Futerfas, good idea on the message to all. We'll discuss it next week. One factor, though, is that the vast majority of our customers don't have a home network and might be confused by such a message.

[futerfas]

Originally posted by TiVoOpsMgr
Futerfas, good idea on the message to all. We'll discuss it next week. One factor, though, is that the vast majority of our customers don't have a home network and might be confused by such a message.

Good point, if there was a way to tell if they plugged in an adapter, even though it might not work, then the message might pop up then, but that doesnt seam like it's possible.

So, who want's to guess how long until 3.2 comes out :D

[Timber]

Added a Linksys WUSB11 today, couldn't have been easier!

-=Tim=-

[jaquade]

Now that Linksys has USB Adapters that support Wireless G, any
ideas when Tivo will support G. The transfer time from one
unit to another is very slow.

[TiVoStephen]

Jaquade, we haven't announced a timeline yet for G support, but it is something we are working on.

Folks, we've processed the priority list submissions late last night, and again just now (so any submissions from yesterday are good to go, and any from this morning will be authorized for 4.0.1b as of 2:05pm today).

See this page for instructions: http://research.tivo.com/401bpriority/401binstructions.html on how to get 4.0.1b after you've been authorized.

We will process the forms again tonight around 8pm Pacific. Hope you're all enjoying your "new year" weekend!

Best regards,
Stephen

[kjack7]

Added the D-Link DWL-122 unit. No problems, everying came up and worked fine.

[rookie]

I've looked thru the TiVo website regarding Wireless connections and I'm looking for assistance confirming what I think I need. All I want to do at this point is use the HMO option to do multi-room viewing between my 2 TiVo units. I don't have a home network. 1) Am I correct that all I need is a Wireless USB adapter (leaning toward the Linksys WUSB12) for each TiVo unit, along with signing up for HMO...??? My assumption is that I would only need to add a wireless router from my PC if I wanted to take advantage of Photos, remote scheduling, etc... But I wouldn't need it for multi-room viewing. 2) Lastly...if I did add the wireless router and had my PC always connected to a network (DSL or even constant dial up) would my TiVo units be able to get their nightly program updates without calling in via phone line? This would be handy for one of my units that doesn't have easy access to a phone jack. Thanks...this forum is a great resource.

[Dmtalon]

Originally posted by rookie
My assumption is that I would only need to add a wireless router from my PC if I wanted to take advantage of Photos, remote scheduling, etc... But I wouldn't need it for multi-room viewing. 2) Lastly...if I did add the wireless router and had my PC always connected to a network (DSL or even constant dial up) would my TiVo units be able to get their nightly program updates without calling in via phone line? This would be handy for one of my units that doesn't have easy access to a phone jack. Thanks...this forum is a great resource.

As far as I know, The Tivo units can not do "adhoc" connections so you will need some sort of wireless adapter to put both Tivo's together. To answer your last question, yes the nightly calls would / could go through the wifi connection.

In fact, I'm still a pretty good Tivo n00b so, I'm not sure that the Tivo will still use the phone line if you have a wifi/network adapter plugged in or not, that would be a question someone else would have to answer.

[hurstonp]

I have the D-Link DWL-122 adapter and an 802.11b network at my house but no land line. I went to a friend's house to set up my new Tivo and went through the guided setup and realized I had to get 4.0.1b software to allow my adapter to work. I filled out the form last night to request the software, but since I couldn't leave my Tivo at my friend's house, how do I know when I have been "approved" to download it. I can use the phone line at work, but I don't really want to be toting it to work every day if I can help it.

TIA

[futerfas]

You can set up a P2P connection between two tivos with two Wireless USB adapters. They have to be on the same channel, which you can set up. You wont be able to use it as an alternative to getting guide data over the phone line, or be able to get music and photos. More information at http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root/public/tv2007.htm?

[TiVoStephen]

hurstonp, we're authorizing users to receive 4.0.1b at least twice a day currently, so if you submitted yesterday, then you'll definitely get the update on the next time you call today.

[Edit: Typo]

[rookie]

Thanks for the info futerfas.

[mherdeen]

I want to setup wireless connection for TIVO to replace phone line (and eventually use HMO) Reading all the posts here have confused the hell out of me. I have an 80 hour Tivo series 2 running version 4.0.1-01-2-240. Tivo service # begins with 240.

I currently have a wireless network in place at home supporting 5 computers (2 wired 3 wireless).

Can someone please tell me exaclty what wireless adapter will work with little to no tweaking and do I need to request an upgrade to my Tivo to support this?? Any help would be most appreciated. I'm sure the answers are here in this forum somewhere but after all the reading I've done I'm just too confused to sort it all out.

THANK YOU!! :(

Michael
herdeen@yahoo.com

[TiVoStephen]

Hi Michael,

I think this article will straighten things out:
http://www.tivo.com/adapters/

A lot of people in your situation would use the Linksys WUSB12 wireless adapter; that will work with your existing network and software version right away.

Hope that helps.

Best regards,
Stephen

[bedelman]

If you look through the list of adapters at http://www.tivo.com/adapters you will note that some of them have asterisks next to their entries which indicate that an update is required.

Based on your software version, I would suggest that you get either the Microsoft MN-510 adapter or the LinkSys WUSB12 adapter which should still be available and haven't been "revised" like the others (where you have to worry about the version number). Alternatively, I did see a number of the LinkSys WUSB11 version 2.6 adapters at my local Wal-Mart the other day. You may want to check those out as well (but you need to make sure that it says "Version 2.6" on the box.

[mherdeen]

You guys rock!! thanks for the quick response, heading to Best Buy now to pick up an adapter.

Michael

[hurstonp]

Thanks Stephen! I was able to connect at work, get the 4.0.1b update, and as soon as it restarted I was on the wireless network and it was very easy to get set up. I'm now adding season passes during my free time and it's addicting! Mark me down as a Tivo believer.

Thanks again.

[SciLogix]

My new HDVR2 from Hughes won't work with my Vonage service, but I did buy a Linksys WUSB11 v2.8 adapter and it's all setup to work. So, when I called DirecTV and asked them to force the software update, they said this wasn't going to work. Anyone know what gives?

[futerfas]

You can't use the Wireless adapters with a directivo without doing some serious hacking to the unit. If you want, check out the underground section and they can help you wou with that

[SciLogix]

I'll find an old external modem! :) thx

[Jim Wilke]

Well, I may have been too hasty. I emailed Stephen, had him send me the updated software. I have a NetGear 614 router which is G format only so I bought a LinkSys USB adapter that works either B or G. I ran guided setup again but Tivo doesn't see my adapter, presumably since it is seeing the network in G format. At this point, I am not going to change my router just to hook up my TiVo and now I have a $79 adapter I didn't need. I intend to buy a second laptop so I guess I'll plug this adapter into the laptop for now and wait until TiVo gets their act together and supports G.

[Jim Wilke]

Originally posted by bedelman
If you look through the list of adapters at http://www.tivo.com/adapters you will note that some of them have asterisks next to their entries which indicate that an update is required.

Based on your software version, I would suggest that you get either the Microsoft MN-510 adapter or the LinkSys WUSB12 adapter which should still be available and haven't been "revised" like the others (where you have to worry about the version number). Alternatively, I did see a number of the LinkSys WUSB11 version 2.6 adapters at my local Wal-Mart the other day. You may want to check those out as well (but you need to make sure that it says "Version 2.6" on the box.

This is the one I have but TiVo doesn't see it or at least I don't think so. In settings, it doesn't give me the option to choose to hook up via network/TCP/IP so I assume that is because it doesn't see the USB adapter and therefore figures my only option is to hook up via phone.

[Geraint]

I have a pioneer dvr 810H. It is connected to a samsung directtv box. I am having problems connecting to tivo by phone or wireless network.

When I connect by phone I can do the test connection and the initial set up call - both of them short calls. However, having now signed up for tivo plus the machine needs to do a larger download. I can dial connect and start downloading but about 5 minutes into the download the call fails every time. It always says that the call was interrupted. I have tried this about 25 times now. I have call waiting disabled through the menu. I must point out that my telephone service is VOIP thru cablevision.

Anyway, instead I have bought a D-Link DWL-122 which I have connected to the tivo. I have also set the dial prefix to ",#401" . I then restarted the tivo unit. The wireless adapter shows two green lights. I know that the wireless network reaches this spot in the house because I put my powerbook with airport extreme right next to it and it worked fine. (My wireless network is driven by a d-link non-extreme wireless router with DHCP) However I get no option in the setup menus to setup a network - wireless or wired.

I'm sure that I am doing SOMETHING wrong but I am stuck at this point. Any advice?

geraint

[futerfas]

When running guided setup, you can only use wired network adapters. Otherwise, you need to use the phone line to do guided setup.

[tpatch]

Thanks for all the info in this thread. I upgraded my software and then got a Netgear MA111 wireless USB adapter. Works great.

FYI, Netgear has a rebate right now so you can get the MA111 for under $40. It's nice not having the telephone cord going across the floor.

Does a broadband connection allow Tivo to download quicker? And/or more frequently? Just curious.

Andy

[bedelman]

Originally posted by Jim Wilke
This is the one I have but TiVo doesn't see it or at least I don't think so. In settings, it doesn't give me the option to choose to hook up via network/TCP/IP so I assume that is because it doesn't see the USB adapter and therefore figures my only option is to hook up via phone.

OK -- so you have the Linksys WUSB11 or WUSB12 adapter? If it's the WUSB11, which version?

What version of the TiVo software are you running? (it shows in the System Information screen)

You will have to put your Netgear router into mixed mode though (although the TiVo should see the USB adapter regardless of whether or not it can "see" your network)

[bedelman]

Originally posted by tpatch
Does a broadband connection allow Tivo to download quicker? And/or more frequently? Just curious.

Just faster -- not necessarily more frequently (unless you have HMO in which case it does a mini-check to see if there are any remotely schedule events it needs to handle.

[Geraint]

I got my tivo set up wirelessly! Hoorah. It tokk me 10 days but I'm there. I have a variety of left over bits if anyone is interested and maybe a few answers. Additional usb adapter, 100 feet of phone line, phone over power line adaptors.....

You need a phone for the initial setup. That gets you local dialing numbers and the first schedule. This allowed me to use the tivo and see tv.

I then signed up for the plus service and finally connected by phone again because I could not get the wireless c onnection recognised - no menu option revealed itself. The second phone connection was a 70 min download with new software which once it has installed itself saw the wireless adapter after which set up was a breeze.

So, you need two - 2 - initial phone set ups, not one.

Geraint

[dwichman]

Received my 40Hr Series2 in the mail yesterday. Hooked it up as per instructions. Sent a request last night at around 8pm to be updated to 4.0.1b software since I had a D-Link DWL-122 waiting to go. Woke up this morning to a message that said my software had been updated, to 4.0.1b indeed. Plugged in my D-Link DWL-122 and rebooted to be sure. TiVo said it had to update my Wireless adaptor's firmware, and it did, pretty slick. Then I completed the steps in the Network Settings and I was done.

No more phone line!

TiVoOps guy, thanks for making the process easy and sending out the update in such a timely fashion.

[TiVoStephen]

Hi folks! I'm updating my first post to reflect that we are now releasing 4.0.1b automatically to all new TiVo and Sony Series2 standalone customers.

If you set up a new Series2 DVR that has never called our servers previously, you don't need to do anything to get 4.0.1b -- no form submissions, no e-mails to me -- it's automatic! After you complete Guided Setup, your first connection will download 4.0.1b.

If you signed up for the Home Media Option free trial or for Home Media Option, you should already have received 4.0.1b.

Otherwise, for any other Series2 DVR that's already set up and connecting to the TiVo service: We are beginning the rollout process this week. It'll start slowly at first, and then eventually get to all of you. You can either wait to get 4.0.1b, or if you need it sooner, you can sign up for it using the priority form (http://research.tivo.com/401bpriority/401bpriority.html/).

Let me know if you have any questions or problems!

[Edit for clarification]

[futerfas]

So will it still be that extremely long software version number, or does this release shorten it? And for the people that allready have it, I'm assuming that nothing will happen to them.

[TiVoStephen]

Hi futerfas,

Since 4.0.1b is now released and being rolled out ("throwing the big switch" in the old parlance), it has a nice new short version string.

Anyone who had the old long version string will get the new short version string in a few days. It'll be another software download and reboot, but that will happen very quickly since you're on broadband now. The two versions are bit for bit identical except for the length of the version number string. :)

[gudac]

Hope I'm not off the track here, but I use the Apple Airport. I don't have broadband available at my home and for my TiVo to connect daily it is a Toll Call. With the broadband option I put a Belkin USB to WiFi 802.11b adapter on my TiVo and it communicates with my Apple Airport. The Airport is one of original ones. 802.11b with a modem that makes a Dial Up connection. Not the fastest, but now my TiVo updates via the Internet and i avoid the daily toll calls.

[Jim Wilke]

Originally posted by bedelman
OK -- so you have the Linksys WUSB11 or WUSB12 adapter? If it's the WUSB11, which version?

What version of the TiVo software are you running? (it shows in the System Information screen)

You will have to put your Netgear router into mixed mode though (although the TiVo should see the USB adapter regardless of whether or not it can "see" your network)

I have several problems that probably can't be solved:

1. My adapter is a Linksys WUSB54G which is not on the approved list.
2. My software is 4.0.1 - 01 - 2 - 240. I ran guided setup again a week ago after I supposedly was sent the update but it didn't seem to 'take.' When I go to 'Phone and Network Setup' there is no option to select 'Wireless Network.'
3. My wireless network router is a NetGear WGR614 which runs in 'G' mode only; I don't believe it will go to mixed mode. The adapter will run in B or G but the router won't so I am, in a word, screwed. For now.

Actually, this is no big deal to me. I have a separate phone line that is rarely used and my TiVo uses this line through a wireless modem hookup. It probably connects 85-90% of the time. What I think I'll do is.....wait. In a few months, TiVo will roll out full G support and I'll switch over then.

[Michael Becker]

I have had a series 2 for little over a year. It has the latest software on it. I have been on digital cable. I just went down and bought a directtv with a tivo. Will I be able to connect the two tivos with a wireless or wire ethernet adapter so that I will be able to view what I recorded on the other tivo? I have heard that you do not have to be part of the home media option to do this. I was just concerned if the 2 tivos are compatible, series 2 and a directtv tivo. Also, will my older tivo be able to record two programs at once or is that what the directtv tivo does exclusively. What difference are there between the two? Do they both offer the exact same options? I know the directtv tivo is a 35 hour model only.
Thanks for the help.
Mike

[bedelman]

Originally posted by Jim Wilke
I have several problems that probably can't be solved:

1. My adapter is a Linksys WUSB54G which is not on the approved list.You are right, but perhaps it will in the future2. My software is 4.0.1 - 01 - 2 - 240. I ran guided setup again a week ago after I supposedly was sent the update but it didn't seem to 'take.' When I go to 'Phone and Network Setup' there is no option to select 'Wireless Network.'You won't see the option until a supported adapter is attached3. My wireless network router is a NetGear WGR614 which runs in 'G' mode only; I don't believe it will go to mixed mode. The adapter will run in B or G but the router won't so I am, in a word, screwed. For now.As far as I know, most 802.11g routers will run in mixed-mode. In some cases, it's necessary to update the firmware in the router. Although you'd still have to change out your USB adapter since it's not currently supported. I just checked Netgear's site and it is indicated that it will support both modes -- http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGR614.asp?view=

[dk_dynamite]

I have the Linksys WUSB11 (ver. 2.6) and a Tivo Series2 DVR running version 4.0.1b.2003.12.02-1731-01-2-240.

For some reason, my Tivo unit is unable to maintain a connection with my wireless network. The connection is established initially (IP is issued in my router logs and the Tivo software on my PC shows my unit).

But then the connection fails with the following error: "Warning: Local gateway unreachable."

I did try connecting the WUSB11 to my laptop and it worked fine...

Any thoughts?

[Dr_Zoidberg]

FYI, COMP USA is selling the Netgear MA111 wireless USB plugin (can sit right on the back of the unit) for $29.99, after a rebate.

My brand-new Tivo downloaded the 4.0.1b update, and just now I plugged in the MA111. It was immediately recognized, and I was able to enter in my 128 bit WEP key on my hidden network (I don't broadcast its' name) , and everything went well on the first try.

Thank you TiVo people! Now, about wireless G... :) :)

[tivofanatic]

I have the Pioneer 810H, Linksys USB and updated the software to 5.2.1. For some reason I do not have the option to edit the network. I have the option of Phone and Network, then the next option is Phone - there is no choice of changing the Network. I have unplugged the TIVO and the system has reset on it's own, but still no option to set up the network. Please help!

[dk_dynamite]

Originally posted by dk_dynamite
I have the Linksys WUSB11 (ver. 2.6) and a Tivo Series2 DVR running version 4.0.1b.2003.12.02-1731-01-2-240.

For some reason, my Tivo unit is unable to maintain a connection with my wireless network. The connection is established initially (IP is issued in my router logs and the Tivo software on my PC shows my unit).

But then the connection fails with the following error: "Warning: Local gateway unreachable."

I did try connecting the WUSB11 to my laptop and it worked fine...

Any thoughts?

I actually resolved my own issue. Initially, I had WEP (40-bit) enabled. Once I disabled it, everything worked fine. I was then able to re-enable WEP at 128-bit and everything continued to work fine. Not sure why the initial encryption did not work, but it's all good now.

[bedelman]

I have the Pioneer 810H, Linksys USB and updated the software to 5.2.1. For some reason I do not have the option to edit the network. I have the option of Phone and Network, then the next option is Phone - there is no choice of changing the Network. I have unplugged the TIVO and the system has reset on it's own, but still no option to set up the network. Please help!Which LinkSys USB? WUSB11 or WUSB12? If it's the WUSB11, which version (look under the black velcro strip on the bottom)? If it's a different LinkSys adapter (the 802.11g one for example), the WUSB11 and WUSB12 are the only ones that work.

(Note -- this assumes that you're referring to the wireless LinkSys adapters. They also make ethernet USB adapters, some which work with TiVo)

FYI -- the official list of supported adapters can be found at http://www.tivo.com/adapters

[tivofanatic]

I have Linksys WUSB11g 802.54g wireless.

[bedelman]

Originally posted by tivofanatic
I have Linksys WUSB11g 802.54g wireless. That adapter is currently not supported, which is why you're not getting the network options.

[futerfas]

You need a 802.11b adapter. Check out www.tivo.com/adapters for currentlty supported adapters

[spelcheker]

Heads up everyone. Best buy is now selling the WUSB11 for 40 bucks after rebate, so I picked one up. However, there is no way to tell from the box what version it is. Linksys has changed the packaging.


WAIT! There it is! In exTREMEly small print under the UPC.

WUSB v2.8-pkg-30610A


Neeeeverrrr Mind...:rolleyes:


(This phenomenon seems to be related to the one where I ask "Where are the green peas?" at the grocery store and the guy says, "Right next to you, Sir.")

[jedgolf]

little disapointed, purchased the recommended adapter from Tivo website; received linksys 3.0 which apparently doen't work with Pioneer product (even though I assumed I was being directed to the 3.0 version because of my service number prefix of 275). Now I have to wait 2 more days for the system upgrade to 5.2.1a to determine if this HMO is of any value.

[antalo]

Originally posted by Jim Wilke
I have several problems that probably can't be solved:

1. My adapter is a Linksys WUSB54G which is not on the approved list.
2. My software is 4.0.1 - 01 - 2 - 240. I ran guided setup again a week ago after I supposedly was sent the update but it didn't seem to 'take.' When I go to 'Phone and Network Setup' there is no option to select 'Wireless Network.'
3. My wireless network router is a NetGear WGR614 which runs in 'G' mode only; I don't believe it will go to mixed mode. The adapter will run in B or G but the router won't so I am, in a word, screwed. For now.

Actually, this is no big deal to me. I have a separate phone line that is rarely used and my TiVo uses this line through a wireless modem hookup. It probably connects 85-90% of the time. What I think I'll do is.....wait. In a few months, TiVo will roll out full G support and I'll switch over then.

I have the same set up this young man has. I don't have any problems using the Linksys WUSB11, but it wont recognize the WUSB54g. My TIVO software version is still 4.0.1-01 etc.... I don't have 4.0.1a or b .
How do I get the ...b version ? I have lifetime the whole nine yards.

I have another question, not related here, but I am sure some of you guys can help me out. I have 4 TIVOs, 2 series 1 and 2 series 2. The series ones are modified for airnet, so everything is going through my network (wireless) The big question is, is there a way to set up the TIVO remotes for 4 different modes ? I can't find any setup to change remote settings. There are only two even if I find the set up procedures. I have to cover up the receivers in the TIVO to make sure I don't delete programs. I already did so and I am afraid one of these days it will happen again.
So please save my sanity.
antalo

[tomo_kun]

Stupid question, but if i enter my TiVo Service Number from my DirecTV DVR with TiVo, will i get the update?

[futerfas]

You can put it in, but nothings gonna happen ;)

[TiVoStephen]

FYI, pretty soon I'll be updating the top post and we'll be pulling down the priority request form, since almost all Series2 standalone units now have 4.0.1b.

[kupe]

Originally posted by Jim Wilke
I have several problems that probably can't be solved:
1. My adapter is a Linksys WUSB54G which is not on the approved list.


I simply can't believe the the lack of 802.11g adapter support can continue much longer. 802.11b hardware is starting to turn up in the store cutout bins. This is NOT a technology that Tivo can hang it's hat on much longer- and by that I mean a couple months at most.

Not to mention that 802.11b is hobbling the potential of HMO, particularly in regard to Multi-room viewing.

PLEASE Tivo- we need this yesterday!

Dave

[DZeckhausen]

Originally posted by kupe
I simply can't believe the the lack of 802.11g adapter support can continue much longer. 802.11b hardware is starting to turn up in the store cutout bins. This is NOT a technology that Tivo can hang it's hat on much longer- and by that I mean a couple months at most.

Not to mention that 802.11b is hobbling the potential of HMO, particularly in regard to Multi-room viewing.

PLEASE Tivo- we need this yesterday! You got that right!! I received my Tivo last week and immediately ordered a Linksys wireless-G access point and a WUSB54G adapter. Of course it didn't work and it was only after I came here that I discovered why. So I ran out and bought a hobbled WUSB11B adapter and, thankfully, was able to set the Linksys access point to mixed mode (802.11g & 802.11b).

I suppose I should be thankful that there's such a thing as eBay to buy up our mistakes! :) I even made a plug for Tivo in my eBay ad for the WUSB54G.
See eBay item: 3077369177

I can't wait for the new 802.11g and USB 2.0 software drivers. I'm also looking forward to a much better user interface for managing our music collection with Tivo. I'm bummed that it doesn't work with the songs I've purchased via iTunes. But it's a huge leap over what I had a week ago.

[drusoicy]

Hi all,

I am trying to help myself here, but so many different options and conversations are making my head spin! :D

I need a little help, hopefully not asking too much.

I am expecting my Pioneer 810H to arrive on Thursday. I have a WRT54G Linksys router, and wireless network at home. Currently it is G-Only, but I realize I need to change it to B/G Mixed. All is well there.

Aside from that, what do I need to do to get the Tivo on the network, and at what step can I do it? What adapters work with the 810H?

Thanks so much for any help.

Andru

[beecherc]

Originally posted by TiVoOpsMgr
FYI, pretty soon I'll be updating the top post and we'll be pulling down the priority request form, since almost all Series2 standalone units now have 4.0.1b.

I love my Tivo, run NT, XP and Linux at home, am wireless but . .

I'm unfortunately one of the Directv people (w/ Samsung 4040R running 3.1.1b and service = 381) who, as near as I can tell, are some sort of outcast subgroup. Is this true? How can I upgrade my system? It successfully made the connection as recently as yesterday. What is the deal? Why are we not getting the upgrade?

[futerfas]

Originally posted by drusoicy
Hi all,

I am trying to help myself here, but so many different options and conversations are making my head spin! :D

I need a little help, hopefully not asking too much.

I am expecting my Pioneer 810H to arrive on Thursday. I have a WRT54G Linksys router, and wireless network at home. Currently it is G-Only, but I realize I need to change it to B/G Mixed. All is well there.

Aside from that, what do I need to do to get the Tivo on the network, and at what step can I do it? What adapters work with the 810H?

Thanks so much for any help.

Andru Check out www.tivo.com/adapters they have all the listed working adapters that you can use

[futerfas]

Originally posted by beecherc
I love my Tivo, run NT, XP and Linux at home, am wireless but . .

I'm unfortunately one of the Directv people (w/ Samsung 4040R running 3.1.1b and service = 381) who, as near as I can tell, are some sort of outcast subgroup. Is this true? How can I upgrade my system? It successfully made the connection as recently as yesterday. What is the deal? Why are we not getting the upgrade? DirecTiVo units aren't getting the upgrade. This was DirecTV's decision, not TiVo's.

[BigW]

Hi, I just hooked up my Toshiba SD-H400 yesterday. It is currently still hooked up to the phone line, but I have purchased a Linksys WUSB11 v3 for hookup to my wireless network. Now according to the top post, I need software version 5.1.1b. So I looked at the system information on my unit and the software version is listed as 5.1-01-2-264. It is not obvious to me if this version is correct for use with the aforementioned wireless adapter. If it is not, I assume I can just submit a request for the right version via the link in the top post? Thanks.

[beecherc]

Originally posted by futerfas
DirecTiVo units aren't getting the upgrade. This was DirecTV's decision, not TiVo's.

Is there a work around for 3.1.1b? I have seen work arounds for everything up to 3.0 and now see that 4.0 and up is officially supported(?).

[drusoicy]

So apprently I can use the WUSB12 with my 810H...but I will need a software upgrade, correct?

If I am using TiVo BASIC, will I still get the upgrade, or is it only for TiVo Plus? If that is the case, does that mean I cant use wireless?

Also, at what step in the setup process can I go wireless?

[bedelman]

I believe the WUSB12 will work without any upgrade for the Pioneer since it comes with version 5.2 of the TiVo software. Check out the official supported adapter page at http://www.tivo.com/adapters . You should get any software upgrades regardless of whether or not you're running TiVo Plus. Wireless works with TiVo Basic.

[WarEagle]

My setup is the same as BigW. I have the Toshiba SD-H400 with the Linksys WUSB11 v3.0 adapter. I have had the Tivo for just over a week, and this week I tried to connect it to my network. The lights on the adapter come on, so it is getting power, however, I cannot find the wireless setup. I am at work right now, so I don't know the exact tivo software version number, but it does start with 5.1. Anyway, after hooking up the adapter, I went to settings->phone and network->edit phone or network settings, but in here, there are only phone settings, I cannot find any way to get to the network settings. So it sounds to me like the Tivo is not recognizing my adapter.:( Any ideas?:confused:

[BigW]

OK, for lack of any new information here, I just tried hooking up the wireless adapter to see if it would work. Worked just fine! The setup menus recognized that the adapter had been hooked up and found my network without any problem. The test connection also came back with good status. I did not force a connection with the TiVo service, but I will check when the last successful connection was found tomorrow.

[thatgirlsab]

I too have a Toshiba SD-H400. From what I can tell, I need to connect to the TiVo service once more, which means I need to drag the box to my boyfriend's house to use his land line again. I am hoping that during this second phone call I will get the updated software for the Toshiba box and then see the network options in the Phone Settings menu...?

:confused:

[BigW]

Thatgirlsab, I am no expert, but I do not *think* you have to connect to a land line to do this. From your post, it looks like you have already done the guided setup. Before you drag your box over to your friends house, just try hooking up the wireless adapter. When I did this, a new message appeared in the messages area indicating a wireless adapter was detected and I was able to do my setup. After that I did a test connection which indicated all was well. As far as I can tell, there was no land line call made (I did still have my phone line hooked up during this setup).

[Jcooper93]

I have a Linksys WUSB12 hooked up to my Series2 Tivo (service number begins with 240) so it should work. But it isn't. My software version is 4.0.1b. My router works fine. Am I missing something?

J

[thatgirlsab]

Originally posted by BigW
Thatgirlsab, I am no expert, but I do not *think* you have to connect to a land line to do this. From your post, it looks like you have already done the guided setup. Before you drag your box over to your friends house, just try hooking up the wireless adapter. When I did this, a new message appeared in the messages area indicating a wireless adapter was detected and I was able to do my setup. After that I did a test connection which indicated all was well. As far as I can tell, there was no land line call made (I did still have my phone line hooked up during this setup).

That's the problem though...even after I did Guided Setup, I plugged in my wireless adapter and it was not found. And there was no "edit phone or network settings" option in the menu...just "edit phone settings." I'm using the Netgear MA111 which is supposed to be supported in Toshiba TiVo software version 5.1.1b, so I think I need to call in and download that one. However, I haven't signed up for service yet as I'm using the TiVo Basic service that came with the box, so I don't know if my box will even be recognized. I want to sign up for the TiVo Plus trial but at this point have to do that with a phone line too...aargh. :p

Thanks for your reply...I am hoping that after I try another call or two I get the latest software for my box and also am able to get the magic message indicating a wireless adapter was detected!

I found this message (h t t p://research.tivo.com/401bpriority/401binstructions.html) that I assume was the page you got after you submitted a priority upgrade request, which looks like is no longer needed.

I guess the most frustrating part is that I called Toshiba tech support and they weren't helpful at all. I called TiVo tech support and got a maze of automated options that eventually instructed me to call Toshiba.

Oh well...I'm not one to give up too easily!

[thatgirlsab]

Okay...I've got an update.

To recap, I have a Toshiba SD-H400 and a Netgear MA111. I do not have a land line, so I unpacked the new box and dialed into guided setup from my boyfriend's house. After completing guided setup, I went home and plugged it in, only to find that it would not recognize my wireless adapter -- I didn't get the "edit phone and network settings" option, only "edit phone settings."

So tonight, I brought the box back over the my boyfriend's place and dialed in again. I signed up for the TiVo Plus free trial so that my box's info would be in TiVo's system. In the same phone call, it downloaded the new software, version 5.1.1b. I restarted the machine and it now sees my wireless adapter! Success!

A few things to know: when the box is calling in, after a few minutes it will go to Live TV. You can still press the TiVo button and go into System Information to see what the status of your call is. It will say something like "Downloading...phone in use" while it's connected and then go to "Loading data" when it disconnects. Then it will say "pending restart."

Once you restart, you should hopefully see the new software version in your system info. If you do not, force a call to TiVo and try it again...I think I may have gotten lucky...I was expecting to have to make two separate phone calls to get it to work.

Good luck, everyone! Now I can enjoy my first TiVo...I can't wait!

[WarEagle]

I got my wireless connection working Saturday, but I had some problems along the way. As I said in my previous post, first it did not see that I had an adapter. It took a couple of days and a few restarts before some magic happened and it saw it. Then I set up the connection, and it said it had the wireless connection. But when I tried to actually connect, it did not work. Then, when changing some settings, the system rebooted. The next few times I tried setting up the network, I kept having a problem with the system rebooting. And it would also reboot in the middle of a reboot. Usually, I didn't have time to sit there and count the reboots, but many times it booted at least twice. Anyway, I eventually got all my settings set correctly, and IT WORKED!! I have not had any problems since.:D

[TiVoStephen]

Folks, sorry to not answer all of the questions here sooner. I just wanted to post here to say that the first post in this thread has been updated since 4.0.1b (and similarly 5.1.1b and 5.2.1a for Toshiba and Pioneer respectively) are now released to all customers. You will receive the latest software version on your first call to the TiVo service after completing Guided Setup.

Bottom line, you must complete Guided Setup with a phone line, and probably use a phone line for one more call to get the latest software. If you don't see the network setup options, that means your adapter isn't recognized. Check to make sure it's a supported adapter, and then check to see that you have the latest software. Let me know if you have questions.

Best regards,
Stephen

[faztcobra]

Boy, where was this thread a few days ago? Better yet, where was I? :) It detailed everything that I've been through on my own. This thread would have saved me some frustration and several trips to a friend's house for use of a telephone if I had found it sooner. Anyway, it took 3 days, but I got everything working!

[John Wilson]

I have a chance to buy a WUSB111 v2.5 from someone. I had him confirm that it is v2.5. It isn't mentioned in any threads about compatibility so I'm asking here if anyone has had sucess using it in their wireless network.

Thanks for any and all replies.

John

[musictoo]

Has anyone found a wired USB network adapter connected to a wireless bridge to be any faster than a wireless USB adapter? Just wondering. Gettin' itchy for that G stuff to come down the pike. In the meantime I've set the quality setting to the lowest to speed up the transfers. Waaayyy to slow at the moment. Also I can confirm that both my 2 day old and my 4 month old S2's are at 4.01b without any intervention on my part.

[futerfas]

there is a thread about someone who used a wired adapter to a wireless-g bridge.

[musictoo]

Thanks! Found it.

[bkeith]

I don't understand why support wasn't implemented for the Prism chipset, which would have automatically enabled a wide range of adapters. Netstumbler, Knoppix and PHLAK did so, albeit for different reasons, but it seems like one way to go that would get a lot of people up and running, without having to hunt around for a few specific models.

Is this likely to come any time soon?

[bbbronks]

I guess this is a dumb question, but could someone explain to me simply what the benefit of using a wireless adapter is?
I'm not sure I even understand the basic setup---is the idea that my broadband modem signal goes through a router that allows me to connect my PC to the internet, and also go to this wireless thing that then gives my TiVo the ability to download program guide data without using the phone? I get that, but are there any other benefits?
Thanks.

[bkeith]

Isn't that enough?

Oh, and "Sure. Correct, with an appropriate wireless router. Not much".

[antalo]

Originally posted by faztcobra
Boy, where was this thread a few days ago? Better yet, where was I? :) It detailed everything that I've been through on my own. This thread would have saved me some frustration and several trips to a friend's house for use of a telephone if I had found it sooner. Anyway, it took 3 days, but I got everything working!

If You have a S2 TIVO, you don't need a phone. Simply plug in the USB adapter and you may have to unplug and plug the TIVO in or do a "restart" on it. It will recognise the adapter and will provide you with the setup screen.

I didn't use a phone. Of course if you plug in a phone line, it will reconise it.
antalo:D

[BlueXanaX]

Thanks, this is what I was going to do next with my 2 Direct Tivo SD DVR 40's. I have one upgraded to 243 hours, the other I am working on, and had a question, but it is not related to networking. I have upgraded my second Direct Tivo, (Tivo 2), Hughes SD-DVR 40, which has a 40gig ata 133 maxtor in it, by simply adding a B drive, a 120 gig maxtor, then by using the mfsadd command to marry/expand the drives. I now want to upgrade this unit, with 2 160 gig drives, like I did my first one. I want to keep the movies that I have already recorded. Should I just use the dd command, and copy each hard drive, the 40 gig to the 160 gig, then the 120gig to the 160 gig. Then use the Mfsadd command to expand them, I think that by copying them, they will stay married???

I know that it will take a very long time to copy the 120gig drive. The 40 gig, which I keep a backup hard drive of, with no movies, only the software for the SD-DVR 40 on, took about 10 hours to copy, and this was on a 2 ghz celeron pc. I don't see a problem doing this, except for the swap file, copying the drives with the dd command will only image them, then using the mfsadd to expand/marry the drives would only see the extra space. Will I run into problems, as I will be over the 180 gig threshold for this tivo unit, as far as with the swap file space. If so, how do I increase it.??

Thanks,
BlueXanaX

[Dowsie]

I can confirm that having carefully examined the Linksys packaging, documentation and hardware, there is no indication of the version#!

I'm guessing that as a newly stocked item from Best Buy its probably a most recent version......

[ruc2827]

Originally posted by Dowsie
I can confirm that having carefully examined the Linksys packaging, documentation and hardware, there is no indication of the version#!

I'm guessing that as a newly stocked item from Best Buy its probably a most recent version...... Instructions (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?postid=1407693#post1407693) on finding the version number for WUSB11 2.6 and 2.8 adapaters. The version is in very small cryptic letters next to the UPC code. The same should apply for version 3.0 unless they changed packaging again.

[SYED]

I have a series 2 tivo dvr, linksys wsub11 ver 2.8

Per instructions, I made a tivo phone cord connection using the phone line. After the download was successful, I Disconnected power chord from dvr. I connected the wireless adapted and connected the power to dvr.

I still have swr version 4.0.1-01-2.240

Why is it not updating? I am following all the instructions. This Tivo should be hassle free. I hate this.

[antalo]

Originally posted by SYED
I have a series 2 tivo dvr, linksys wsub11 ver 2.8

Per instructions, I made a tivo phone cord connection using the phone line. After the download was successful, I Disconnected power chord from dvr. I connected the wireless adapted and connected the power to dvr.

I still have swr version 4.0.1-01-2.240

Why is it not updating? I am following all the instructions. This Tivo should be hassle free. I hate this.
Restart TIVO, manually make daily call, do this until it updates, or just hang in there, eventually it will update.

[nwbills]

The same exact thing is happening to me. I initially set my old PowerBook up a wireless bridge and now I have a the preferred wireless adapter...

But my TiVo won't update to the newest rev B software so I can use my new wireless adapter! What's going on? I've manually run the darn updater over 25 times. It just won't work.

I've emailed TiVo via the site and received the same instructions. Attempted to call, but got stuck in automated loops.

So I'm pretty frustrated. Anyone know if they can force me an update and how I get in touch with a live person? :confused:

[TiVoStephen]

NWbills, sorry that you're having trouble. Please e-mail me at estephen@tivo.com.

[dkonarska]

I have 2 series 2 TiVo dvr'S with 2 Linksys wsub11 ver 3.0 adapters.
1 TiVo begins with 130 and the other 140.
Both TiVo's are running 4.0.1b
My Linksys 55g router is running g with a disabled.

Here is my problem.
After about 10 or 20 minutes of use either one or both DVR's claim there is no adapter attached. In order for it to recognize the adapter again I have to unplug the adapter at the base and plug it back in again.

Now I know the TiVo website states that I have to use a 2.6 or 2.8 adapter with my 130 and 140 DVR's, however I'm hopping someone could tell me if there's another solution. I got both of these adapters for ~$40 a piece. I don't want to spend ~$70 a piece at the TiVo store just to get an older version of hardware.

Shouldn't TiVo work with the latest and greatest (and cheaper) hardware?

Please help.

[antalo]

Originally posted by nwbills
The same exact thing is happening to me. I initially set my old PowerBook up a wireless bridge and now I have a the preferred wireless adapter...

But my TiVo won't update to the newest rev B software so I can use my new wireless adapter! What's going on? I've manually run the darn updater over 25 times. It just won't work.

I've emailed TiVo via the site and received the same instructions. Attempted to call, but got stuck in automated loops.

So I'm pretty frustrated. Anyone know if they can force me an update and how I get in touch with a live person? :confused:

Go to the page where you would restart the TIVO and highlight and select where it says Delete everything- to this effect. I guess it will wipe out everything on the drive. Mine made recordings I didn't ask for, the red recording light didn't come on when it was recording.
Anyway do this and it wil take you about a whole day to reprogam everything. It will call in over the phone, and justr follow instructions. You will have to setup everything, first the phone connection, than how you receive programming and select the channels you receive, andIt will tell you you can watch, but you can't record for 4 to 8 hrs. After all that, mine is working oK.
I am reprogramming the 2 nd TIVO now. I guess there were residual stuff left on the drive and it adversaly affected the entire system. Just like when you delete something on the peecee, yopu only delete the indexing, the info is still on the drive.
Eventually it will recognize the network adapter and you have to set it up. TC/PI etc.. From then on, it will use the network to make calls. After that make daily calls every few hrs, until it doesn't download anything anymore.
It wouldn't hurt if you restart the TIVO before you make a "Daily Call"
Let us know how it works out.

[antalo]

Originally posted by dkonarska
I have 2 series 2 TiVo dvr'S with 2 Linksys wsub11 ver 3.0 adapters.
1 TiVo begins with 130 and the other 140.
Both TiVo's are running 4.0.1b
My Linksys 55g router is running g with a disabled.

Here is my problem.
After about 10 or 20 minutes of use either one or both DVR's claim there is no adapter attached. In order for it to recognize the adapter again I have to unplug the adapter at the base and plug it back in again.

Now I know the TiVo website states that I have to use a 2.6 or 2.8 adapter with my 130 and 140 DVR's, however I'm hopping someone could tell me if there's another solution. I got both of these adapters for ~$40 a piece. I don't want to spend ~$70 a piece at the TiVo store just to get an older version of hardware.

Shouldn't TiVo work with the latest and greatest (and cheaper) hardware?

Please help.

Please read the instructios camw with the adapters. I am sure it will tell you it will not work with the TIVO. Call Linksys. and confirm it if you don't believe. Well, now I see, you already know that. Takes those back for a refund or exchange and find the ones work with the TIVO. There is NO SHORTCUT here.
Good luck,
antalo

[drewbenson]

Thank you! :)

[NPBeacher]

Originally posted by drewbenson
Thank you! :)

Ditto :)

TR

[madthio]

I am attempting to get my Linksys WUSB11 v2.8 working. I have connected several times to the TiVo service, and each time I am told: "Succeeded, pending restart". I then force a restart, wait for the screen that informs me that an update is taking place, and then go to system information. The Software Version is still reporting 4.0.1-01-2-240. I have run the update about 6 times over the last few days, with no luck. Any ideas?

[b3genom]

Just want to thank everyone for the instructions scattered through the thread!

We picked up a new 80-hour Series 2 "240" model last night, along with the recommended WUSB11 wireless adapter. Got it home, hooked everything up, and activated online. Then, of course, I tried to configure networking, only to find it had no networking options. Feh!

Ran the phone cord across the floor, out of the living room, into the kitchen, and plugged in. While Guided Setup downloaded its fill over the slow phone line, I hit the forums to see what the problem was. Didn't take too long to find, although it *really* should be covered in the in-box "quick-start" guide:

The WUSB11 was v2.8, which requires v4.0.1a or later. Given there are now 2 more recent revisions now than the out-of-the-box supported v2.6, it's a good bet most folks picking up one of these are going to get the v2.8 or v3.0 WUSB11 if they buy retail. Would be *really* nice if something on the box mentioned that. In defense of Tivo, they *do* mention the versions on the Recommended Adapters webpage, but Linksys seems to have changed their packaging, making the version numbers quite hard to find.

The Series 2 we bought came with 4.0.1. From various sources, this seems to be fairly standard, so no real foul there - software gets updated post-shipping - these things happen ^^

Guided Setup needs a phone line anyway. A bit annoying, considering how our room layout is. Alleviated a bit by the fact that after the initial Guided Setup and update calls the adapter did work.

A second call must be placed *after* Guided Setup finishes, in order to download the software update. This call will tie up the phone for roughly an hour. The need for a second call wasn't mentioned at all in the docs. Were it not for the forums, I'd still be at v4.0.1 until tomorrow night, wondering in the meantime why my adapter wasn't working! Ideally, though, this would be taken care of during the Guided Setup process.

After the call, the Tivo will go into "Pending restart" mode, and can either be restarted manually, or will automatically do so at 2am. Another bit of wisdom from the forums. Great stuff.

Once the restart finishes - the WUSB11 v2.8 gets detected, networking options are available, and the rest, as they say, is history!

The rocky start was unexpected and annoying, but the fact that after a bit of manual prodding everything works is a testament to the usefulness of the forums. Thanks again!

[madthio]

Just responding to my own post...
It turns out that the dial-up location that I was using did not offer the 4.0.1b update. Changing to a different dial-up number resolved the problem immediatly. So, if for some reason anyone else runs into a similar problem, try a different dial-up number.

[davidallen]

Linksys WET54G bridge

A call to Linksys elicits the recommendation to use their G bridge - the WET54G (rather than the WUSB54G network adapter, which does not yet work). They indicate the bridge will work with series 2 TiVo's. It has the advantage of also supporting USB 2, a good bit faster than USB 1.1. Do we know for sure, one way or the other, whether it will be recognized?

Thanks, David

[bedelman]

Originally posted by davidallen
Linksys WET54G bridge

A call to Linksys elicits the recommendation to use their G bridge - the WET54G (rather than the WUSB54G network adapter, which does not yet work). They indicate the bridge will work with series 2 TiVo's. It has the advantage of also supporting USB 2, a good bit faster than USB 1.1. Do we know for sure, one way or the other, whether it will be recognized?

Thanks, David Using a bridge will work (others have done it). As far as the TiVo knows, it connected to a wired ethernet connection -- because the USB adapter plugged into the TiVo is a USB to ethernet adapter -- which then goes to the bridge

The TiVo units do not yet support USB 2.0 yet. TiVo units that have a TSN that begins with a "2" have USB 2.0 hardware, but the drivers are still at USB 1.1

[davidallen]

Thanks, Bob.

So even a wired Ethernet connection is effectively bottlenecked at the USB 1.1 speed of 1.5 MBs? That would argue against the trouble of a wired connection. And put front and center - when will USB 2, and WUSB54G, be enabled ...

[bedelman]

USB 1.1 has an upper limit of 12Mb/sec

Even so, people with wired (and 802.11g bridged) connections report much better transfer speeds. With 802.11b it takes 20-25 minutes to transfer a 30-minute show recorded in Basic Quality. On a wired connection, it's something like 5 minutes or so.

[davidallen]

Originally posted by bedelman
USB 1.1 has an upper limit of 12Mb/sec

The difference between your little b and my big B - 12Mbits/sec is 1.5 MBytes/sec of course. Though the speeds are usually quoted in bits, it's true ...

Even so, people with wired (and 802.11g bridged) connections report much better transfer speeds. With 802.11b it takes 20-25 minutes to transfer a 30-minute show recorded in Basic Quality. On a wired connection, it's something like 5 minutes or so.

This is key stuff, and I'm still not on board: There is only one port in (my) Series 2 box, the USB. If it only works at 1.1 speeds, whether wired or wireless the connection speed is limited to that USB's 12 Mb/sec. And both wired and wireless are (almost) capable of that. How is a four to five times factor of speed difference possible?

Thanks in advance for the enlightenment! Determines what I get to connect to the net. David

[steelio]

Great stuff I finally plunged in and got my s2 tivo. Have a S1 and hate the dialing up (Stringing phone cord across the kitchen and living room 1 a week or so). I just bought the dwl-122 that is supposed to work right? According to this post earlier.
I love to see these posts grow like this. The reason I bought this one was I could not find the linksys. Or very many of the other ones here locally. Really sucks.
<dire straights> I want my wireless G </dire Straights>

[mrtim]

Originally posted by davidallen
This is key stuff, and I'm still not on board: There is only one port in (my) Series 2 box, the USB. If it only works at 1.1 speeds, whether wired or wireless the connection speed is limited to that USB's 12 Mb/sec. And both wired and wireless are (almost) capable of that. How is a four to five times factor of speed difference possible?

It's a matter of how much bandwidth these networks provide in the real world.

In theory you get 54Mbps from wireless G and 11Mbps from wireless B. In theory you get 12Mbps from USB 1 and 480Mbps from USB 2. In theory then, with a USB 1 port in the way, you see 12 from G and 11 from B. Not a big difference.

But in the real world, bandwidth won't reach these maximum speeds, and for the most part the percentage of maximum bandwidth is comparable between B and G networks. In other words an environment that gives you 50% of maximum for a B network will also give you around 50% of a G.

So forget about USB 2 for the moment. How fast is a wireless network in your house likely to be? Let's assume that in your environment you are getting 50% of of the maximum bandwidth, which is a reasonable guess. 50% comes out to 5.1Mbps on B and 27Mbps on G. The G will max out the USB1, so you're really only getting 12Mbps with G. So what? 12Mbps is still more than double our real world B speed of 5.1Mbps.

Now suppose you are only getting 25% of max. Now you've got 2.75 Mbps with a B, but your effective G speed is 13.5 Mbps; still beyond the 12 Mbps that the USB1 is capable of. Now you're beyond a factor of four.

I'd be a little disappointed if 25% was the best my wireless lan could provide, but it's not unusual. I see about 60% of max from my TV to my access point, so I would expect bandwidth to my Tivo to be about 6.6Mbps with B vs 12Mbps with G. I'll still take the G, thanks.

Bottom line: if you live in a real house, with any real distance (or things like walls) between your TiVo and your wireless access point, G is likely to make a noticable difference. The lower your wireless network efficiency, the more you want G.

[bedelman]

I'm by no means an authority on this but with 802.11b/g and a wireless access point/router, I understand that the data first has to go from the TiVo to the wireless access point and then the wireless access point needs to turn around and send it to the other TiVo. So, right away your throughput is cut by one half (from 11Mb/sec to 5.5Mb/sec). In the real world of my house, I can do no better than 2.2Mb/sec with 802.11b (in a wireless to wireless connection). If I'm really far away from the access point, it goes down to 1.1Mb/sec for a wireless to wireless connection.

If you do peer-to-peer wireless with the TiVo units (with no access point), the throughput is faster but I don't think you can have a network in this mode (necessary for Music/Photos and Internet connectivity)

[davidallen]

Thanks, Bob, and thanks, mrtim. Nice analysis, mrtim, and nice corroboration, Bob.

Nonetheless if there is some consistency in differentials between b adaptors versus g adaptors or wired Ethernet, I'm wondering if there isn't more here than meets the eye at the moment. It wouldn't seem that everyone would have a degraded b signal, certainly to the extent of a four or five times difference. As you point out mrtim, your own experience, just for example, indicates more in the range of a two times difference.

Think this calls for more poking around, so here we go to poke around ...

Again thanks, David

[gps]

Is the home media option required in order to use a wireless adaptor on a series 2 tivo (so that no phone line need be run to the tivo)?

[futerfas]

nope, it will work fine without it

[aero_22]

Q: I have a Tivo Series 2 unit, and will purchase shortly the HMO.
My current wireless network in my home uses the Netgear MR814 802.11b router.

This is a popular router, so hoping someone else out there with this router has decided to get HMO, and wanted to know if it works best with the Tivo recommended adaptor (Linksys WUSB11) or better to get the NETGEAR MA101 V.B to keep all the 802.11b items from the same manufacturer?

[bluestringsoup]

Originally posted by drewbenson
Thank you! :)


I tried a WUSB54G - its power light came on but the tivo wouldnt aknowledge its existence. When I plugged in a WUSB11 it worked straight away. I'm happy I just want to dump my phone line :-)

[aero_22]

Greatly appreciate it ff someone could revert on the question below - TIA!


Netgear MR814 802.11b compatibility
Q: I have a Tivo Series 2 unit, and will purchase shortly the HMO.
My current wireless network in my home uses the Netgear MR814 802.11b router.

This is a popular router, so hoping someone else out there with this router has decided to get HMO, and wanted to know if it works best with the Tivo recommended adaptor (Linksys WUSB11) or better to get the NETGEAR MA101 V.B to keep all the 802.11b items from the same manufacturer?

[TiVoStephen]

Aero wrote me privately as well. As far as I'm aware, if you use a compatible network adapter (as listed at http://www.tivo.com/adapters/) and your router is compatible with your apapter and with 802.11b, then everything should work fine. It shouldn't matter if they're from the same manufacturer or not.

Personally, for example, at home I use the recommended Linksys adapter but my router is from Netgear.

[aero_22]

TiVoOpsMgr,

Thanks for prompt reply on PM and the above posting! My confidence is WAY up about mixing the recommended Linksys adapter with my Netgear router, considering that you have the same in your house.

THANKS

[aero_22]

I purchased the Linksys WUSB11 adapter tonight, and it works great so far with my Netgear MR814 802.11b router. Nice, easy setup!

[pluevano]

Hello-

After getting my first S2, I thought it was so good, I got a second for my folks (S2, 80hr). I wanted to get all the setup done for them, so all they had to do is plug it in. I cleared all the data from the previous owner, went through the setup call, and all seemed fine. I plugged in the Linksys USB wireless adapter I'm using on my TiVo so I could set up the wireless networking for them. It didn't recognize the adapter. I read these forums, and saw that I need to upgrade the software version to 4.0.1b. I forced the update through the phone update and got the message that I needed to power cycle the TiVo. I do this.

I now get the "Powering Up" screen for about a minute. Then the green LED on the front of the TiVo goes out, then all I get is a black screen. I have tried power cycling it several times, same result. I let it sit, powered off overnight and restarted. Same result.

What are my options at this point?

Thanks, and please let me know if more information is needed!

Paul.

[TiVoStephen]

Paul, sorry that you had this issue. Please contact customer support; they can guide you through some troubleshooting that might revive your folks' unit.

Best regards,
Stephen

[pluevano]

Stephen-

I called them last night, and after plugging the unit into a different outlet at their request, same results. The best that support could offer after that was "We have an exchange program for $149."

I'm going to create a backup of my (healthy) TiVo and use it to boot the new (unhealthy) one up. Hopefully that will do the trick. Will update with results next week.

Thanks,
Paul.

[ccwf]

Sorry to thread hijack, but a newbie posted in another thread that it's not clear from this thread whether or not it's possible to perform initial guided setup without a landline.

The answer to that question is that TiVo only officially supports using a phone line for initial guided setup.

Unofficially and unsupported, a number of people have also managed to perform initial guided setup with some types of wired Ethernet adapters. For more details, see the TiVo Help Center (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=4) sticky thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/glossary.php?s=&ltr=S) “Before you ask—please check these top answers for TiVo questions! (http://www.web-i18n.net/~ccwf/TiVo/top_answers/post)”

[pluevano]

Just a quick followup on the dead TiVo. I wiped the parents hard drive clean, then created a copy of mine onto it. Since then, everything seems to be happy. I guess there was just a 0 where TiVo wanted a 1 or something.

[pluevano]

I take it back. The parents TiVo is back in powerup loop. Powers up, and just before the TiVo movie, starts thepowerup routine again. Lather, rinse.

Going to take the original drive out of my TiVo, and swap it in. If that works I know I have a bum drive. If that doesn't work, I know there are more serious issues. In which case I think I'm SOL and will have to bite the bullet and get a new unit.

Will keep updated.

[TiVoStephen]

Paul, good luck with your unit.

Charles, thanks for your feedback about Guided Setup. I've moved my first post around a little bit and tried to make it more clear. Let me know if anyone has any feedback.

Best regards,
Stephen

[bobquin]

Okay, I purchased a Linksys WUSB11 yesterday. Plugged it in, and all the right lights came on. "Link" light starts to blink, so I get all excited.

Then the nightmares began. Although the Adapter "sees" my network (i.e., it listed my network name as a connection option), once I put in my WEP key and tell it to use 128-bit encryption, the screen looks for the network and says "This network could not be located." Even though it listed my network by name on the setup screen!

After several minutes with a Linksys tech support person, I was told the adapter is defective and should be exchanged. Off I go to CompUSA, where I exchange the adapter. Just got home....same results.

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

Can anybody out there help me? Is there a configuration setting that I'm missing? I've never had this kind of grief with any wireless equipment before. Here are my network and TiVo Stats:

1) Base station is a Microsoft MN-700
2) Linksys WUSB11, version 2.8
3) TiVo Software version 4.0.1b-01-2-240 (Service number begins with 240)

Also, FYI, in Phone and Network Setup, no IP address is listed, but I do get a MAC address. (MY ISP uses DHCP, so I shouldn't have to enter an IP.) Under "Network," it lists the name of my wireless network, but under "Signal" is says "none."

::sigh:: Any and all tips are appreciated! Thanks in advance!

[antalo]

Originally posted by bobquin

1) Base station is a Microsoft MN-700
2) Linksys WUSB11, version 2.8
3) TiVo Software version 4.0.1b-01-2-240 (Service number begins with 240)


The WUSB should work out of the box. Did you install the software in your PC ? I know nothing about the MS router, but you should turn the WEP off until you get it to work. Does the TIVO recognise the adapter ? Did you set it for broadband ? You should turn WEP off until you get it working. Until you get a URL for the adapter, it wont work. First you have to get the adater working with the TIVO. You wont get A URL until it connects to the router. Is the router working ? Do you have anything else connected to the router ? Is it working ? Call Linksys again. These guys are in the Phillippines, or India (HP has the cust service on one of the places) and another person may be able to help, or not.
Good Luck.
Antal

[ccwf]

Just a note for those stumbling upon this thread in the future: the WUSB 11 v2.8 requires 4.0.1a, which is not pre-installed on boxes at this time. Hence, those adapters will not work until the TiVo software has been upgraded. See the first/main post in this thread for more details.

[TiVoStephen]

To clarify what Charles says -- 4.0.1a or LATER. We don't send out 4.0.1a any more -- we're sending out 4.0.1b automatically on the first call after you complete Guided Setup. And 4.0.1b will support the Linksys WUSB11 wireless adapter v2.6, or v2.8, or v3.0.

See http://www.tivo.com/adapters/ for the full list of supported adapters that work with 4.0.1b.

If your adapter is NOT listed in the above article, it is NOT supported. Sorry.

Best regards,
Stephen

[tweekerz]

So if an adapter is not supported, does that mean it will not work????
Are all of the adapters that are on tivo.com/adapters running the same chipset???

Thanks

I have a belkin v2000 wireless B adapter running on one ATTivo and a
Gigafast Wireless USB B adapter running on a SA Series 2 refurb.... both work well with my SMC wireless B router
Matt


Originally posted by TiVoOpsMgr


If your adapter is NOT listed in the above article, it is NOT supported. Sorry.

Best regards,
Stephen

[rambo47]

Just chiming in with my success story.

My computers are almost all Apple. My home network uses 2 AirPort Extreme Base Stations (802.11b/g) and has always worked with both Macs and Windows-based computers. I do keep an IBM ThinkPad around for the odd applications that require Windows, but I'm really a Mac guy to the core.

I bought the Linksys WUSB11 (v.2.8) wireless adapter and it recognized my home wireless network immediately. I had to enter my WEP key in hex form rather than simple password like on all the Macs, but that was the only wrinkle in what was an otherwise flawless plug-and-play experience. Connections are made over the network and everything seems speedier.

I'm looking to add one or two more TiVos to our house and the HMO will make the process easier and far more enjoyable.

To recap: Apple's AirPort Extreme and Linksys WUSB11 are out-of-the-box compatible. Just enter your WEP key in hexidecimal form.

[mdbill2001]

I have a new RCA DVR40. I have connected by phone a few times for updates.. So far I still have the original software 3.1.1-01-2--- I have connected several times today.. how do I force the upgraded software.

[futerfas]

You have the lastest software for your hardware. Directivos dont get 4.0

[ccwf]

This thread on using wireless adapters with Series2 “standalone” TiVo DVRs does not apply to DIRECTV® DVRs with TiVo® (often informally called DirecTiVos here or DTiVos).

DirecTiVos get guide data over the satellite, and HMO is not available for them. Furthermore, putting them on a network does not help with calls to DirecTV for DirecTV things (PPVs, premium sports packages, …). Thus, most DirecTiVo owners see little need to network their DVRs.

[mdbill2001]

How do I connect the Linksys USB wireless adapter? According to the instructions on another site this should work

[mdbill2001]

Can I point out that at
http://customersupport.tivo.com/tivoknowbase/root/public/tv2006.htm#wireless
it states I can hook up a USB wireless for the Tivo updates and ftp access.

[ccwf]

First, I believe TiVo, the company, uses the term Series2 only for the standalone models and not for any DirecTV models. USB drivers are not included with the software on DirecTiVos.

Nevertheless, it is true that USB drivers can be installed yourself and USB network adapters then used if you want to get TiVo software updates over the Internet (not that these are a frequent occurrence) or turn your TiVo into an FTP server. However, installing USB drivers constitutes modifying the unit, so you will need to look elsewhere for help with installing USB drivers and FTP server software.

[finman]

Has there been any movement by TiVo toward support of 802.11G yet? It is ridiculous that it still isn't supported.

[bedelman]

Now that it's getting tougher to even find an 802.11b adapter, I have a feeling it will be showing up...

[allthaidup]

Shortly after I bought my 80 hour TIVO Series 2 for Christmas, I bought another Microsoft MN-510 to hook it up to my wireless network. At first, I didn't have any difficulties. Now, it will connect to the TIVO service, but returns the message "Error Processing Data." This error doesn't happen connecting via phone line. Any suggestions? Signal strength is usually reported in the 50-60% range. Too weak?

Also, I've been trying out the HMO free trial using the wireless connection. I don't have any problems accessing pictures, but mp3s have difficulty playing (most times not at all). Could this be related the the problem above?

Thanks!

[mumpower]

Originally posted by finman
Has there been any movement by TiVo toward support of 802.11G yet?

This is what I was wondering as well. I've got Turbo G hooked up, and everything I've read indicates it destroys performance to throw a 802.11B adapter on the system. I would hook up our series 2 TiVo (and buy another one while they're on sale) if I could communicate across the network at something less than a snail's pace. I read at the start of this thread that in early January, there was progress being made on G support. It's been 6 months, so I am wondering where this situation stands.

[ZeoTiVo]

if you buy a Linksys router you should be aware of this security issue with them
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16298

(I only have a Netgear 314 wired only Router so have no experience with other WiFI equipment)

[BobinGR]

Originally posted by ZeoTiVo
if you buy a Linksys router you should be aware of this security issue with them
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16298

(I only have a Netgear 314 wired only Router so have no experience with other WiFI equipment)

I asked ZeoTiVo to post this here to let anyone with a Linksys BEFW11S4 802.11b wireless router know about a security vulnerability. I just checked the Linksys web site and Linksys has posted a firmware update which fixes the problem. The new firmware is version 1.50.14 dated May 27, 2004.

[funnyesq]

Any recommendations (without having to read this entire thread) for a novice?

I want wireless because it's too difficult to wire the house.

What do I do about my 2.4GHZ cordless phone? I don't want interference but I don't want to give up the phone. Help?

[funnyesq]

Tivo doesn't support wireless "g" does that mean I should not buy the Router "g"??? Help?

[ccwf]

802.11b and 802.11g devices can talk to each other. So, if you have an 802.11b adapter for TiVo and an 802.11g wireless router, they will work together. However, you will be limited to 802.11b speeds.

[funnyesq]

But can I only put a "b" adapter on my Series 2 tivo? I got the tivo last year.

[ccwf]

Originally posted by funnyesq
But can I only put a "b" adapter on my Series 2 tivo? I got the tivo last year. http://www.tivo.com/adapters lists the supported adapters. For now, that's 802.11b and wired adapters.

[mrtim]

Originally posted by funnyesq
Tivo doesn't support wireless "g" does that mean I should not buy the Router "g"??? Help?

If you want to use the wireless network for more than just TiVo, then I for one would hate to buy a "b" router. The difference in performance is substantial. Most posters here notice a substantial difference even from TiVo, which is limited by it's 1.0 USB driver.

Unfortunately to connect your TiVo to a "g" network you need to buy two pieces of equipment at the moment, not just one. You need a USB network adapter (e.g. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=30&prid=497 ) and then a wireless adapter (e.g. http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?prid=558&scid=38 )

You'll find several discussions of the pros and cons of this approach in this thread.

Your 2.4GHz phone, by the way, may cause a significant reduction in wireless performance. Either "b" or "g" uses these frequencies. 5.8GHz phones do a little better.

[funnyesq]

Originally posted by mrtim
If you want to use the wireless network for more than just TiVo, then I for one would hate to buy a "b" router. The difference in performance is substantial. Most posters here notice a substantial difference even from TiVo, which is limited by it's 1.0 USB driver.

Unfortunately to connect your TiVo to a "g" network you need to buy two pieces of equipment at the moment, not just one. You need a USB network adapter (e.g. http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=30&prid=497 ) and then a wireless adapter (e.g. http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?prid=558&scid=38 )

You'll find several discussions of the pros and cons of this approach in this thread.

Your 2.4GHz phone, by the way, may cause a significant reduction in wireless performance. Either "b" or "g" uses these frequencies. 5.8GHz phones do a little better.

--Okay I'm an idiot. I can get the "g" router which is better because it is faster. But because tivo somehow isn't up to speed, so to speak, I can't have a "g" wireless adapter plugged into the unit (I assume it just plugs in). I need another gizmo called a "USB network adapter"??? Does this plug into the tivo and then the "g" adapter plug into the USB network adapter? ...Listen, I said I was an idiot..so yes I need it explained in simple idiot proof language. Thanks.:)

[finman]

"-Okay I'm an idiot. I can get the "g" router which is better because it is faster. But because tivo somehow isn't up to speed, so to speak, I can't have a "g" wireless adapter plugged into the unit (I assume it just plugs in). I need another gizmo called a "USB network adapter"??? Does this plug into the tivo and then the "g" adapter plug into the USB network adapter? ...Listen, I said I was an idiot..so yes I need it explained in simp"le idiot proof language. Thanks."

Your TiVo does not have a built-in network adapter, but it does have a USB port. You have several options:

1. Buy a wired USB network adapter - that is a device which connects to the USB on one end and a Cat-5 ethernet cable on the other.
2. Buy an 802.11b wireless USB network adapter - that has a USB connector and talks to a "b" wireless network. You can use this with a Linksys (for example) "g" wireless router, as long as it is configured for both "b" and "g" protocols.
3. Buy a wired USB network adapter and an 802.11g wireless access point. This combines option 1 with a device that can talk to a "g" wireless network. This would provide the highest wireless speeds.

Option 4 would be for TiVo to get off their collective tushes and support 802.11g. Then you could use a wireless "g" USB network adapter.

[bdtivo]

Originally posted by bobquin
Okay, I purchased a Linksys WUSB11 yesterday. Plugged it in, and all the right lights came on. "Link" light starts to blink, so I get all excited.

Then the nightmares began. Although the Adapter "sees" my network (i.e., it listed my network name as a connection option), once I put in my WEP key and tell it to use 128-bit encryption, the screen looks for the network and says "This network could not be located." Even though it listed my network by name on the setup screen!

After several minutes with a Linksys tech support person, I was told the adapter is defective and should be exchanged. Off I go to CompUSA, where I exchange the adapter. Just got home....same results.

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

Can anybody out there help me? Is there a configuration setting that I'm missing? I've never had this kind of grief with any wireless equipment before. Here are my network and TiVo Stats:

1) Base station is a Microsoft MN-700
2) Linksys WUSB11, version 2.8
3) TiVo Software version 4.0.1b-01-2-240 (Service number begins with 240)

Also, FYI, in Phone and Network Setup, no IP address is listed, but I do get a MAC address. (MY ISP uses DHCP, so I shouldn't have to enter an IP.) Under "Network," it lists the name of my wireless network, but under "Signal" is says "none."

::sigh:: Any and all tips are appreciated! Thanks in advance!

I'm in exactly the same boat as bobquin, with slightly different gear. I've gone through the pain of a RMA through Linksys on the adapter, just to get the exact same results:

MAC address but no IP address
sees my network by name but then says 'network could not be located'

...all told, i've spent about 8 hours messing around with this, including searching for any response to bobquin's post. like him, i've never had this much trouble with any wireless device before.

can anyone offer help??

thanks in advance;
bd

[bedelman]

If you're using WEP (WAP isn't supported yet) and your wireless router is from a different manufacturer from the adapter you have plugged into the TiVo, do not use the human-readable WEP passphrase. You must use the HEX equivalent key which should be shown on the router configuration screen where the passphrase is keyed in.

Different manufacturers use different algorithms to convert the human-readable passphrase into the actual encryption key. So the same passphrase will yield different encryption keys. This is why you need to use the HEX equivalent key instead.

[bdtivo]

Originally posted by bedelman
If you're using WEP (WAP isn't supported yet) and your wireless router is from a different manufacturer from the adapter you have plugged into the TiVo, do not use the human-readable WEP passphrase. You must use the HEX equivalent key which should be shown on the router configuration screen where the passphrase is keyed in.

Different manufacturers use different algorithms to convert the human-readable passphrase into the actual encryption key. So the same passphrase will yield different encryption keys. This is why you need to use the HEX equivalent key instead.

thanks Bob -- hopefully that'll help bobquin.

any ideas out there if you're router and adapter are the same?

[bedelman]

Have you tried re-booting your LinkSys wireless router? I've seen some odd behavior with them and this helps sometimes.

When you mention that you get "no IP address", do you really get no IP address or are you getting a self-assigned IP address (they begin with "169."...)?

Is your wireless network still named "linksys"? If it is, you should change it on your wireless router because someone else near to you might also have a LinkSys wireless network.

[bdtivo]

Thanks again, Bob. I've rebooted everything, including the router.

I really get no IP address.

And the Network is renamed -- and again, the network name is 'seen' by the unit.

grrr.

[bedelman]

It's really odd that you're getting the MAC address for the adapter but not any IP address. I would suspect that something is not quite right with the adapter.

I think you've tried re-seating the cable (the LinkSys WUSB11 version 2.6 needed a firm push until a "click" could be heard -- and the newer versions might be the same).

Also it has helped some folks with this adapter to "flip" the cable around. Both ends appear to be identical but they're apparently not.

Have you tried disabling the security settings on your wireless router? Also make sure you do not have any entries in the access list section of the wireless router. If you do, you need to add the MAC address for this adapter.

[bdtivo]

it is VERY weird. and getting pretty old!

again, been there and done these things...reseated the cable, swapped it (thanks for the suggestion!), disabled all security, and nuked all entries in the access list. still nothing.

TivoOpsMgr, helllp!

[randyf]

I went over to a friends house the other day to set up his TiVo with his wireless network, and I am experiencing something similar.

The TiVo sees the adapter, and reports the MAC address of it, BUT I CANNOT get a DHCP address from the router. (it assigns the 169... private addy)

Originally was using a Belkin USB adapter, but then switched out with a Junksys that was already working on another TiVo.

The Belkin now works okay at my house, and the Junksys does the same thing at his.

He has the latest firmware on his TiVo. The common thing seems to be that he is using a Junksys router with a Junksys WAP11 access point.

His laptop works fine, and will get / release addresses through the same connection.

The SSID was changed, and everything has been rebooted many times. The firmware on both Junksys units has been updated.

For some odd reason there *seems* to be a glitch between TiVo and Junksys. ???

We are going to try to buy a different brand router and see if that cures the problem. Kinda strange though!

[Your User Name:]

So I am brand new to wi-fi. I just purchased a MS Wireless Base Station (MN-700). Will I be able to use the recommended Linksys WUSB11 with this base station? Also, I read elsewhere that people have had more success with the Netgear MA101 Wireless USB Adapter than the recommended Linksys WUSB11. Anyone care to share their thoughts on which apater I should go with? I have a Tivo branded Series2 standalone.

Thanks in advance!

[steelio]

I would use what is the cheapest. Either should work.
I think what you guys are seeing is a router problem.
Make sure you have the router open so that you can connect more than 1 device. I have seen that problem.
I have a dlink g router and a dlink b nic and didnt have much of a problem.

[danielsan]

Ah HA! A petition... That's SO adorable...

Don't get me wrong, I love the romantic notion that a corporation is a democracy. The people here from Tivo read your messages with all the due diligence they can muster, but (and I'll need to read through the messages again to be sure), you're not likely to see a "we will be delivering a solution to this in X days/weeks/months/years."

You cannot petition a company. Period. If you do, and something happens, it is a coincidence, trust me. Tivo is now presumably in a position where the opinions of current users don't hold a candle to the needs of potential users. It's just that simple kids.

Here's an idea... Start shopping around for another DVR. Yes, that's right. I don't know which one, I don't care which one, but the ultimate signature on any petition is canceling your subscription and moving on to another device.

That will UNDENIABLY get their attention. I'm about 2 months away from canceling mine. This thing is aging at a glacial pace and I'm tired of it. (Either the Tivo remote needs a keyboard or I need to be able to access EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION of that thing with a web browser.)

Shopping Around...

D.

[davidallen]

Ah HA! A petition... That's SO adorable...

Don't get me wrong, I love the romantic notion that a corporation is a democracy. The people here from Tivo read your messages with all the due diligence they can muster, but (and I'll need to read through the messages again to be sure), you're not likely to see a "we will be delivering a solution to this in X days/weeks/months/years."

You cannot petition a company. Period. If you do, and something happens, it is a coincidence, trust me. Tivo is now presumably in a position where the opinions of current users don't hold a candle to the needs of potential users. It's just that simple kids.

Here's an idea... Start shopping around for another DVR. Yes, that's right. I don't know which one, I don't care which one, but the ultimate signature on any petition is canceling your subscription and moving on to another device.

That will UNDENIABLY get their attention. I'm about 2 months away from canceling mine. This thing is aging at a glacial pace and I'm tired of it. (Either the Tivo remote needs a keyboard or I need to be able to access EVERY SINGLE FUNCTION of that thing with a web browser.)

Shopping Around...


danielsan,

Some of us have a _much_ different opinion of TiVo's efforts.

We notice that they do diligently attend to the forums and that they do respond with results. We notice that there is a community around this space and that it very much includes the company and its personnel. Rather than some organizations - where voting with your feet is the only possibility - an enormous amount of listening, and responding to user interests, goes on.

Aging at a glacial pace? - isn't that the idea after all, to age gracefully. And many of us think TiVo, and the company, are growing better - quickly - as we might hope.

Good luck to you,
David Allen

[FTLBrad]

I'm using sony svr-3000 and can not get the ip # to work, i'm using an gireless g Linksys router and a wireless - G USB Network Adapter WUSB54G. can someone help me with this.

[bedelman]

No 802.11g USB adapter is currently supported. The list of supported adapters can be found at http://tivo.com/adapters

[jimdp]

Am I reading this thread correctly --- that Direct Tv/Tivo Combo units cannot support the Home Media Option? Why then, does my Hughes HDVR2 have USB ports on it?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide!

[bedelman]

They presumably could support the Home Media Features -- it's just that DirecTV hasn't licensed the software from TiVo to do it.

[bma]

FYI, I just hooked up a Belkin F5D6050 v2011 to an S2 TiVo I bought for my dad, and it works flawlessly after the update to 4.0.1b.

[DebnTexas]

FYI:

I have my TiVo connection and HMO working with a Microsoft MN 700 wireless router (does b and g speed), and a Microsoft b-speed USB adaptor. I was able to use the regular WEP key when typing in to TiVo.

The only problem I had with the HMO software is that upon the first restart I got a dll error and then it wouldn't run. I uninstalled, and reinstalled the program, then didn't restart...instead I went into the properties and unchecked load upon Windows login. I do have to launch it manually after a restart, but I don't get the error anymore.

[lostinspace]

problem with Wireless setup. I have a D-link DI-614+ router and DWL-122 wireless adapter and unable to setup DHCP. Keeps asking me for the Router name. My router do not have a name. If I try to manually put the
address in, it keeps asking for the DNS server address?
I have a SD-H400 Toshiba will not talk to you unless your have a Netgear wireless card


Thanks
Gary

[beaglesd]

just a data point on wireless usb adapters. have a toshiba sd-h400 starts with 264

used a siemens speedstream 1022 worked fine....

[upilogue]

Originally posted by TiVoOpsMgr
[Updated again on 5/13/04 to clarify that Guided Setup must be done via a phone line.]

To avoid discouraging VoIP users or those with cellphone only, "Guided Setup must be done via a phone line" is not the case.

For the initial setup, you will be able to complete Guided Setup successfully using your broadband connection if you either:

1. Use a DSL filter (RadioShack, Best Buy, etc.) in reverse on your VoIP line. Attach the pigtail to Tivo and attach the other end to the phone line using a phone cable. This works for some people, though it didn't work for me.

2. Get Tivo to connect via PPP to your computer. If you have Windows XP, here's the instruction: tivohelp.com/archive/tivohelp.swiki.net/45.html. This worked great for me. The null modem cable or adapter is only $3 or up from your local electronic supply store. RadioShack sells a null modem adapter for $6.49 and a gender changer for the same price. You'll need female jacks on both ends of your setup if you are using the Tivo serial cable.

I know the above has been posted elsewhere on the forum, but I just wanted to provide a quick summary since I spent hours trying get past Guided Setup before I could get my Toshiba SDH-400 to use the Belkin F5D6050 Wireless USB to work.

[morphax]

DWL-122 worked flawlessly with my SD-H400 from Toshiba.

[Carioca_FL]

Are the new (or refurb) Tivo units being sold now (especially under the refurb pricing) include already the newest firmware update?

I have a DWL-122, and I wanted to be sure that it works on my 40-hr unit, to be delivered by Wednesday...

[ashu]

Originally posted by Carioca_FL
Are the new (or refurb) Tivo units being sold now (especially under the refurb pricing) include already the newest firmware update?

I have a DWL-122, and I wanted to be sure that it works on my 40-hr unit, to be delivered by Wednesday...

Carioca - I responded to your thread with a potential solution to avoid buying the wireless device - and using just the 810 (or better - a 900AP+) combined with a hub and a wired USB/ethernet adapter.

[Carioca_FL]

Thanks mate! And I replied to your post as well. Basically, it looks like the DWL-122 (at $20) still looks like the best route, as the cost of the ethernet to USB adapter PLUS a hub would be higher than $20.

Unless there's an issue w/ having two 802.11b devices close-by (the 122 for the Tivo and the 810 for the Xbox), I will go w/ the 122 for the Tivo.

[twelliott]

Just set-up a refurb Series 2 to replace my 4 year old TiVo and bought the D-Link DWL-122 (on sale at Best Buy last week). Everything set up fine, but I am only getting 40% signal strength. The adapter is at the end of an extension cable that is placed away from the rest of my components. The daily calls are going fine and I can stream MP3’s from my computer, but I am wondering if I would get better signal strength with either the Linksys or Netgear adaptors? No, I can’t move the wireless router closer and my laptop signal right next to the TiVo is significantly better. Any experience with the other adapters would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[twelliott]

Originally posted by Carioca_FL
Are the new (or refurb) Tivo units being sold now (especially under the refurb pricing) include already the newest firmware update?

I have a DWL-122, and I wanted to be sure that it works on my 40-hr unit, to be delivered by Wednesday...

Yes, it works after you get the software update. Run guided setup and when complete force another connection, then unplug and restart. Plug in the DWL-122 and it will get the flash update and work. Very slick...

[M'sInducedUlcer]

EDIT: It looks like you can run a B client adapter, but your router has to be in B only mode or B & G mode. I would post a link to the FAQ but I can't until I have three or more posts.

I am using a SMC G router in mixed B+G mode. If I buy the Tivo recommended Linksys 802.11b adapter, should I be able to connect ok? Or will I have to run my router in B mode only?

Thanks!

PS: I did do some searching on this, but could not find a clear answer very quick.

[ashu]

As far as I understand this issue, running a router in mixed mode merely *allows* B OR G clients to connect to it. However, if even a single device on the network is capable ONLY of B mode, the router does drop ALL operations to B mode, possibly also dropping ALL other devices to b compatibility - whether they're B or G. I'd love to be wrong :) I've been holding off on upgrading the rest of my network!

[ccwf]

Originally posted by ashutoshsm
However, if even a single device on the network is capable ONLY of B mode, the router does drop ALL operations to B mode This is incorrect (well, it might have been correct with some of the earlist, buggy firmware revisions—update to current firmware if you think you are affected). Some routers' mixed mode speeds are not much better than B speeds, but that's certainly not true of all routers. Mixed mode performance varies widely, so people looking to buy routers should look up some mixed mode benchmarks for the routers in which they're interested.

[74opus]

M'sInducedUlcer :

Well, FWIW, I'm using my SMC router in B & G mode and my little SMC 2662W....works like a charm on the TIVO.

SMC equipment has always done well for me.(knocking on wood....)

[M'sInducedUlcer]

I purchased the DLink 122 from Fry's today for $19.99 after rebate. I plugged it in, and after the firmware automagically updated, it works great. I am connecting it to an SMC Barricade G router running in mixed mode. Tomorrow I will buy another one of these DLinks for my $49.99 refurb Tivo that is on the way.

Two questions:

1) How do you view the wireless signal strength on the Tivo?

2) How is the multiroom viewing over wireless? Is it "laggy" or usually smooth given a decent signal strength?

Thanks!

[matguy]

Originally posted by twelliott
Just set-up a refurb Series 2 to replace my 4 year old TiVo and bought the D-Link DWL-122 (on sale at Best Buy last week). Everything set up fine, but I am only getting 40% signal strength. The adapter is at the end of an extension cable that is placed away from the rest of my components. The daily calls are going fine and I can stream MP3’s from my computer, but I am wondering if I would get better signal strength with either the Linksys or Netgear adaptors? No, I can’t move the wireless router closer and my laptop signal right next to the TiVo is significantly better. Any experience with the other adapters would be appreciated.

Thanks!

If you're running just a single Series 2 Tivo and all operations are working fine, theres no reason to wory about any speed you may be missing out on, because the only real thing that is speed dependant is transfering shows from one Tivo to another. Plus, the percentage is a little missleading. You're not missing over half of the potential data speed, just half of the signal strengh, which should still be capable of plenty of data transfer, possibly the full 11mb depending on how much noise you're encountering, but it doesn't measure and tell you that. Think of it like a cell phone, sometimes you can talk and listen just fine with a single bar of signal, sometimes you get choppy and noisy transmission with 4 bars.

Basically, if you're real worried about checking in to it, temporarily physically move your Tivo closer to your access point/router and see if it makes a performance difference to see if the effort would be worth it. But I really doubt you'd notice any performance difference unless you were falling down in to the poor signal areas, and even then you may not notice any differences being you're not transfering shows to another Tivo (unless you are.)

[twelliott]

Originally posted by matguy
But I really doubt you'd notice any performance difference unless you were falling down in to the poor signal areas, and even then you may not notice any differences being you're not transfering shows to another Tivo (unless you are.)

Thanks, matguy! No, I am not planning on streaming video and I have had no problems connecting via network for guide updates or for streaming mp3's from my server. I was just wondering if other adapters might have a better antenna than the D-Link DWL-122.

[twelliott]

Originally posted by M'sInducedUlcer


1) How do you view the wireless signal strength on the Tivo?

2) How is the multiroom viewing over wireless? Is it "laggy" or usually smooth given a decent signal strength?

Thanks!

For #1, from TiVo Central choose "TiVo Messages & Setup", then "Settings", then "Phone & Network setup. From this screen you can see a lot of useful information including your wireless signal strength.

I can't comment on #2 as I don't have two Series 2's to stream to. I would guess that the quality would be marginal until TiVo supports 802.11g adapters.

[ashu]

Over wireless - things seem to progress faster than medium Quality for real-time viewing when sending from a wired TiVo to a wireless one, and just about at realtime for medium quality when moving from the wireless one to the wired one. Essentially, I can watch Live recordings/transfers with almost no angst.

My signal strength screen indicates 60% or more - and this is termed 'Excellent' by the TiVo.

I don't have two wireless devices to test two TiVo's with.

[ks-man]

I'm sure this has been addressed but I don't have time to go through the whole thread so either an answer or a direction to link/page number would be great.

Can I use my Tivo with my wireless linksys 54g router (wrt54g)? I know they originally only said it would work with 11b but I didn't know if it has been updated or if people got 54g to work. If I can what do I need to buy and a quick description on how to get it to work would be great. Thanks.

[ashu]

No G support for Tivo yet. Your G router will operate in B mode (perhaps only partially, if yo're lucky - for this device - and G for rest)

[upilogue]

You can get a 802.11G bridge (or a router in bridge mode), then a USB Ethernet to connect the Tivo. It's more expensive solution, but it will keep your WLAN in G mode.

Otherwise, you can use any of the supported 802.11B USB adapters (e.g, Belkin F5D6050), configure Tivo for wireless as usual and make sure your router is configured to operate in both B and G modes.

[oodie]

There seems to be some conflicting information regarding Series 2 with TSN's starting with 140 and the Linksys WUSB11 ver. 3.0. The first post in this thread alludes to the fact that this should work, while www.tivo.com/adapters seems to say that it won't. Anyone have any advice? Maybe the disrepancy was corrected via a software update.

Thanks

[vodtech]

I have the same question as oodie. I have a Series 2, 140 service number, with the latest firmware. Getting the older Linksys adapters is now an eBay-or-die proposition. Meanwhile, Staples has the WUSB11, presumably a 3.0, going on sale tomorrow for $39.94, minus an additional $10 mail-in rebate. Can I buy it? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[nbussch]

Does anyone with wireless adapters installed on their TiVos have experience installing Windows Service Pack 2 on their computer? Some people have reported networking problems after installing the service pack since it installs a firewall...
(same question also posted in separate thread)

[AGray34]

What do you do if you are up to date with software (meaning it was been on a landline) and now you want to use wireless ethernet and you accidentally went into guided setup;?

[dsturgeon]

I realize that the USB WIreless G adapter will not function at G speeds, but will it function at all in the series 2 boxes? I just got my refurb today and I am curious if the WUSB54G would indeed function but just at 11b speeds? I didn't see this specific question answered so I thought I would throw it out there.

[bedelman]

The only adapters that currently work can be found at http://www.tivo.com/adapters

Right now, there are no 802.11g adapters on the list

[retired_guy]

I installed XP release 2 with no problems on either my PC which is hooked to my home's wireless network via a Linksys B/G router as well as either TiVo which are both linked with Linksys USB B mode adapters.

[rneal]

I am trying to access the internet with my TIVO via a wireless network through a Direcway (Satallite) DW6000 modem. The network is fine but the TIVO connection fails everytime. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Rneal

[ccwf]

Search the archives for Direcway. A number of Direcway users have posted that the older model Direcway modems work fine but that the newer ones cause problems.

[dubpower1]

help from anyone appreciated!!!!! Tried the search and just go more confused. I'm going to hookup my new tivo to my wireless network since I have no home phone. I have a d-link wireless(both b&g) router currently for my laptop and if I understand everyone correctly I either have to use a phone line(not avail.) or use a wired usb adapter for the initail setup, then i could use a dwl122 wireless usb adapter. does this sound correct to those familiar with this issue? again any help would be appreciated.

[wizofnet]

Hey I am looking for information on putting in a adapter in a Series 1 directtv tivo box. I can not find anything on the forum but I know it must exist. Please help

[ccwf]

Originally posted by wizofnet
Hey I am looking for information on putting in a adapter in a Series 1 directtv tivo box. I can not find anything on the forum but I know it must exist. Please help See the Upgrade forum or elsewhere.

[duncan7]

I just set up a new Series 2 with a Linksys WUSB11 v2.8. Worked great, out of the box, and connected at 55-60% signal strength to my Linksys WRT54G. A day later, it wouldn't connect, at all. My laptop, inches away from the Linksys antenna, pulls about 55% on a Netgear WAB501. I'm using HyperWRT firmware, and I was able to get the TiVo to see the network by ramping up the tranmit power on the router, but it's still only showing 10-12% and, though it's getting updates, JavaHMO's gotten flaky. I'm wondering if the WUSB11's gotten fried, somehow...
[EDIT] Swapped out the USB11, for another v2.8, and this one works perfectly.

Originally posted by twelliott
Just set-up a refurb Series 2 to replace my 4 year old TiVo and bought the D-Link DWL-122 (on sale at Best Buy last week). Everything set up fine, but I am only getting 40% signal strength. The adapter is at the end of an extension cable that is placed away from the rest of my components. The daily calls are going fine and I can stream MP3’s from my computer, but I am wondering if I would get better signal strength with either the Linksys or Netgear adaptors? No, I can’t move the wireless router closer and my laptop signal right next to the TiVo is significantly better. Any experience with the other adapters would be appreciated.

Thanks!

[DZeckhausen]

Does the new silver Series II Tivo support USB 2.0 and 802.11g? Or is it still limited to 802.11b? I am about to order my second Tivo, the TCD540080.

If this new unit DOES support 802.11g, then I will be interested in upgrading the transfer speed of my other Tivo, a model TCD24008A. Will there EVER be a way to hook up an 802.11g adapter to this model so I can share programs between the two Tivos in real time? Or will I be stuck buying another TCD540080 just so I can stick a faster wireless adapter on it?

[DZeckhausen]

Originally posted by nbussch
Does anyone with wireless adapters installed on their TiVos have experience installing Windows Service Pack 2 on their computer? Some people have reported networking problems after installing the service pack since it installs a firewall...
(same question also posted in separate thread) Right after installing Service Pack 2, the firewall screen popped up on my PC, asking if I wanted to block or allow the Tivo Desktop Server. I selected "allow" and that was it. No problems.

[ashu]

USB 2.0 and Wireless G networking: Much desired features, and TiVo has been promising to do something about those for a while - but no *official* word yet.

[DZeckhausen]

Then what is the advantage of the new silver TCD540080 over the "old" black TCD24008A? Faster processor? Upgradeable to HDTV? I couldn't find any explanation on Tivo's web site that compares the two models.

[ashu]

- Night light
- Different processor (with combined featureset eliminating *some* other motherboard chip)
- Comes standard with a kernel that supports LBA48 addressing (layperson translation - easier to hack to use a hard drive > 137GB, or to use more than 137GB of an installed larger drive)

- The first is merely cosmetic (the new TiVo DOES look HOT!)

- The second has been considered by many to lead to slower performance, and by many - it is seen as an advancement. Toss-up.

- The third one MAY also be moot - it has been insinuated, implied, alleged and sheepishly admitted that this support will gradually roll out for black TiVos too - but NOT guaranteed ;)

If you plan to add a gigantic disk immediately, get the Silver. Or if you want it to NOT make a long first phone call (if ,#401 doesn't work) - seeing as it comes preloaded with the newest iteration of the TiVo OS. OR if you hate Black and like Silver.

Of course, the most important reason to buy the Silver - Mars is in its third phase and the moon is in its second. And sunspot activity is at exactly 47% of the 2004 peak.

[MitchNY]

I have a Toshiba 80 hour SD-H400 with DVD player with 5.1.1b software. I went to the tivo web site to see what usb wireless adapters I can use. I purchased the netgear MA111 since it was $9.99 with rebates. It did not work. I call Toshiba and they said that they only support on wireless adapter the Linksys wusb11. Does any one know if the MA 111 is compatable...

[bedelman]

The MA111 should work -- what happened to make you think that it did not work? What software version is running on your SD-H400? You can find this in the System Information screen.

[dbpaddler]

I just picked up a SH-H400 too. Wish I would've read something first about the adaptors because I picked up the Netgear WG111. Going back to CompUSA to get the MA111 (only 9.99 after rebate). It better work. Don't feel like putting out for the Linksys one. Already peeved that it didn't work and it's after hours. Wanted to have it all done as a surprise for the g/f so she can record ER and West Wing.

[mychen66]

I read the instruction for how to setup wirelss adapter with Tivo box many
times, but I still can not get it to work.

I just purchased a Toshiba SD-H400 and USB wireless adaptor dwl-122. I have the software version 5.1-01-2-264 on my box. I tried "To force a connection" based on the instruction many time, but the update always finished very quickly, and software version never changed. And the the "last status" just show "succeded".

What do I need to do to upgrade the software and get the wireless dapter work?

[dbpaddler]

you have to have your adapter connected then dial in to tivo via your phone line. You'll then get upgraded to the 5.1b...... version of the firmware that will allow the SDH400 to recognize the wireless adapter. Then go through the isp/mac adr assigning and you'll be on your way.

I was frustrated too as I didn't understand why it would take two firmware upgrades to get to that point. It's stupid. It should ask you how you want to connect to tivo then install the appropriate firmware or just install the latest firmware (the b version) from the get go.

[mychen66]

I connected the wireless adapter, restart the system, force to dial couple times, it is still not update the software.
The phone call went through without any problem, it is just not update the software. Do I need to wait for couple days before I can update my software? This is very frustrating.

[dbpaddler]

I wonder if you can call up Tivo tech support and have them flag your service number for an upgrade to the b firmware.

[mychen66]

I got it work after many tries of "Connect to the TiVo service now". I guess it just takes time for the system to realize it needs to update software. It is working now. I am very happy.

[frugalbrutus]

Originally posted by dbpaddler
you have to have your adapter connected then dial in to tivo via your phone line. You'll then get upgraded to the 5.1b...... version of the firmware that will allow the SDH400 to recognize the wireless adapter. Then go through the isp/mac adr assigning and you'll be on your way.

This tip is important enough to deserve another mention. I got lucky and randomly connected mine while waiting for my "forcing" connections to get me 5.1.1b, then after I connected it, I got 511b. That was the ticket, and it didn't even click for me until you mentioned this.
GOOD TIP!
(PS - I have the WUSB11 and it works great.)

[jsandler]

I currently have 2 Tivo units, both connect to my wireless network with LinkSys USB11. Transfering shows b/w units is painfully slow. Has anyone tried the USB54g units?

[ashu]

802.11G USB adapters are *currently* not supported and there's no *official* word on when, or even if, they will be.

Try to connect at least one of your tivos by an ethernet cable and a USB-ethernet adapter. My numerous one-wireless, one-wired TiVos work great for realtime or quicker Medium Qulity show transfer (Best and High quality are slower), even with barely marginal signal quality/strength.

[jsandler]

Wish I could, but location prohibits it.

[ashu]

(I can't find the thread now, but) Consider the solution some people have used to use G networking ...

1. Ethernet (wired) USB adapters on each TiVo
2. Wireless G bridges (like the D-Link DWL-810 G) connected to the ethernet 'port' on the USB-ethernet adapter
3. Modes of function ...
a. No home network, just TiVos in ad-hoc mode - use them as Bridges in Bridge Mode
b. Home network, 802.11G wireless outer available - use them both as wireless clients.

Of course, the other assumption here is that your budget isn't limited (wired adapters 20 each, G bridge/client devices, 80+ each, total 200 in networking gear)

OR - live with it for a while, and join the long list of people pestering TiVo to (speed up) release (of) their alleged G driver updates :)

[jsandler]

Thanks... never been known for my patience... but the budget dictates waiting... I already emailed TiVo...

[DZeckhausen]

Originally posted by jsandler
Thanks... never been known for my patience... but the budget dictates waiting... I already emailed TiVo... Specifically how do we contact TiVo to pester them about drivers for the 802.11g network devices?