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Rob Randall

04-10-2008, 04:20 AM

IIRC you used to only have BBC logos on BBC1 and 2 - as Tivo launched when 3 and 4 were called Choice and ... memory fails me.

Knowledge? or has my memory failed me too?

Pete77

04-10-2008, 05:33 AM

Knowledge? or has my memory failed me too?

Your memory serves you correctly. Its amazing what people will create Wikipedia entries for:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Knowledge

I must say that with ITV now running ITV1 to ITV4 24 hours a day and MM effectively amounting to another 24 hour ITV5 there must be a lot of peoople at the BBC who are rather unhappy that BBC Three and BBC Four are only on air for so few hours per day. On the other hand they do have BBC News 24 and BBC Parliament as other 24 hour stations.........

AMc

04-10-2008, 05:58 AM

there must be a lot of peoople at the BBC who are rather unhappy that BBC Three and BBC Four are only on air for so few hours per day. On the other hand there are lots of parents who are pleased to have advert free CBBC and CBeebies on during the day - and them stopping broadcasting at 7pm so they can get the kids off to bed without "one more programme, please...."
Its amazing how useful the 6.50pm CBeebies bedtime story is at convincing a 3 year old she has to go to bed now.

Pete77

04-10-2008, 06:41 AM

Its amazing how useful the 6.50pm CBeebies bedtime story is at convincing a 3 year old she has to go to bed now.

Never seemed to work with my nephew who never wanted to go to bed and was always reappearing for the next hour or two after his bedtime story. It does work with my 4 year old niece though who is very good about going to bed at 7pm just a her Mum would like her too. Mind you its another story if someone tells her off for doing something she wants to do during her waking hours (tantrums and tears then always ensue). My nephew was much better about being told he mustn't do certain things.

Also one must point out that ITV has CITV which at least used to finish at an even more parent friendly 6.30pm. Not sure what is happening since it stopped time sharing with ITV4 (I presume it now time shares with something else - MM perhaps?).

bobbymobile

04-11-2008, 06:21 PM

http://bp1.blogger.com/_YCJfTbme5Dc/RrefUx2J6FI/AAAAAAAAAAM/UMJTURwdv2U/s320/bet_logo_000.jpg

http://www.urbanuk.tv/images/Logo.gif

http://www.anime-ni.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/animecentral.thumbnail.png

Any chance of having these channels logos being made?

Bet 209
Urban TV 202
Anime central 199

Cheers :)

nickf

05-06-2008, 05:54 PM

Any chance of a logo for FIVER (replaced Five Life) ?

aerialplug

05-07-2008, 12:30 PM

The arrival of Fiver has prompted me to get some new logos drawn - watch this space - a new set will soon be available...

Pete77

05-07-2008, 12:50 PM

The arrival of Fiver has prompted me to get some new logos drawn - watch this space - a new set will soon be available...

FIVER is such a terrible name for a channel that I thought you might ignore it like the new BBC Three pink monstrosity.

I didn't think a worse channel name than Dave was possible but now I have decided that it is.:eek:

speedyrite

05-07-2008, 01:19 PM

The arrival of Fiver has prompted me to get some new logos drawn - watch this space - a new set will soon be available...

Yay! Mmmmm, new logos...

aerialplug

05-12-2008, 02:00 PM

New logos. There are numerous changes and tweaks in this release and I didn't make any notes along the way. Lots of new ones, some changed ones and some deleted/deprecated.

This is release 9.4 - a sort of beta release if you like. Please provide feedback of any problems (call signs not matching, colour problems or any other logo requests).

Found in the usual place as linked to in the .sig

aerialplug

05-12-2008, 06:02 PM

One problem spotted - BBC News 24 is no longer branded as such so its call sign (and indeed logo) have changed. I'll get the new one associated with the new logo in the next release.

aerialplug

05-12-2008, 07:15 PM

One of the channels I felt deserved an improved logo despite the fact that their brand hasn't changed since day one was Hallmark. In the early days I wouldn't have come near this channel as it seemed to show mostly sentimental programmes that were completely opposite of what I found interesting but recently they're showing first run episodes of Monk, Jericho and a few other things I'd probably find interesting if I had time to watch them.

Personally, I like the new one with transparent background (these are the hardest to render, if you want them to look good - though the compromise is that they look a little worse on TiVoWeb).

dogsbody

05-12-2008, 08:11 PM

aerialplug

05-12-2008, 08:26 PM

Awesome aerialplug, I love these logo's and love the additions in this version too :cool:

You asked for feedback, I now only have two missing logo's...
- UKGARD : UKTV Gardens
- LFCEU : LFC TV
... although I don't really care about LCF :p

Oh and you already spotted BBC News although it will always be BBC News 24 to me :rolleyes:

Thanks again

Always BBC News 24 for me too - it sounds so clumsy how they refer it as "the news channel" on other BBC channels - I knew something weird was up. As always, the old logos will still live on in the deprecated folder.

UK Gardens - spotted that one a while back but forgot to get round to doing it.
[edit: UK Gardens (UKGARD) has been in the set for quite some time now... I'm not quite sure why it didn't appear on the latest install - it hasn't installed on mine either, yet the callsign looks correct - weird...]

dogsbody

05-12-2008, 09:34 PM

UK Gardens - spotted that one a while back but forgot to get round to doing it.
[edit: UK Gardens (UKGARD) has been in the set for quite some time now... I'm not quite sure why it didn't appear on the latest install - it hasn't installed on mine either, yet the callsign looks correct - weird...]I just tried re-importing just UK Gardens but got a strange error...

# ./loadlogos.tcl /var/hack/logos/tmp_ukgarden
Initialising logo list
Initialising channel list
Processing /var/hack/logos/wibble/UKGARD-s1-p1.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s1-p1' does not match detected type '2'ukgard-s1-p1.png
Processing /var/hack/logos/wibble/UKGARD-s2-p2.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s2-p2' does not match detected type '1'ukgard-s2-p2.png

... I can't see what's wrong with it!

aerialplug

05-12-2008, 09:57 PM

... I can't see what's wrong with it!

I can! Schoolboy error on my part! Saved a type 2 logo as a type 1 and vice versa. Very easy to fix - thanks for the feedback!

speedyrite

05-13-2008, 01:40 PM

Milhouse

05-13-2008, 04:29 PM

aerialplug

05-13-2008, 04:49 PM

Smashing job aerialplug!

Quick question though - should the Five logo have that odd green/yellow background in Now Playing and TiVoWeb (I'm using the Sky set)? Would this logo look better with yellow text on a transparent background, or white text on a transparent background?

LOL - do you know - exactly the same thing went through my mind this morning! The original colour scheme is based on that of when the new logo was first introduced.

I'll give the transparent background solution a go to see what it looks like.

aerialplug

05-13-2008, 06:13 PM

"five" with a transparent background rocks :)

Now that I've got a better idea on doing the antialiasing, I may have another go at re-doing the Sky logos - Sky Onc looks a little grubby as I used the wrong shade of blue for the antialiasing..

Milhouse

05-14-2008, 02:34 AM

"five" with a transparent background rocks :)

Excellent - thanks again! I'll try it tonight when I get home :)

aerialplug

05-14-2008, 06:07 PM

Sorry - the modifications haven't been put online yet - I've been waiting for any feedback about errors and additional requests to die down ;)

Hopefully in the next day or so, the first proper release 9.4.1 will go online with suggestions included.

atari_addict

05-15-2008, 05:28 AM

I can! Schoolboy error on my part! Saved a type 2 logo as a type 1 and vice versa. Very easy to fix - thanks for the feedback!

May I respectfully point you to my post of 10/10/2007 (913) in which I pointed this out. MTV Hits had a typo in the filename, plus a couple of other points?

Obviously, some channel names etc might have changed in the meantime.

bugmenever

05-17-2008, 06:14 AM

Hopefully in the next day or so, the first proper release 9.4.1 will go online with suggestions included.

Great, look forward to checking out the updated version soon!

SPR

05-24-2008, 09:20 AM

Could these sky digital channels be considered please?
253 SRELIV Sky Real Lives
254 SRELIVP Sky Real Lives Plus One Hour
255 SRELIV2 Sky Real Lives 2
http://style.sky.com/Sky_Real_Lives/

Made a request in #983, but think that was about the time of your house move. As additions are all a favour by you aerialplug to all of us, it didn't feel right requesting again before this new release was made. Many thanks.

ColinYounger

06-04-2008, 11:18 AM

aerialplug - Any news on the new set release? Appreciate you're probably working hard at the moment.

The Obo

06-10-2008, 08:58 AM

What about DMAX? (and Dmax + 1)?

are there icons for these anywhere?

aerialplug

06-10-2008, 03:42 PM

aerialplug - Any news on the new set release? Appreciate you're probably working hard at the moment.

Okey - I'm hoping to get the next release out in the next couple of days with the bug fixes (hopefully) and (possibly) the Freeview distro too.

Can anyone let me know (Ozsat, I think you're the best person for this...) if the call signs are different for Freesat for any channels? Hopefully not - and if this is the case the sat distribution will do for Freesat too.

Milhouse

08-15-2008, 05:12 PM

Okey - I'm hoping to get the next release out in the next couple of days with the bug fixes (hopefully) and (possibly) the Freeview distro too.

Any updates, pretty please? :) Need to reload my logos, may as well do it with the latest set if they're available...

TCM2007

08-15-2008, 06:24 PM

There's 4Music to add as of tonight too.

cwaring

08-18-2008, 11:31 AM

Okey - I'm hoping to get the next release out in the next couple of days with the bug fixes (hopefully) and (possibly) the Freeview distro too.
Nothing yet then? (Still 1.9.4, May 12th) on your site :D

Are you doing a new "BBC News" logo?

Also, "Blank type 2 Logo with purple mask" is missing from your 'DIY Logos' section ;)

ETA: Will these two do the job? I only pasted them onto the existing (old) NEWS24 logos.
ETA2: Damn! "Wrong File Format". Oh well. Never mind!

Pete77

08-18-2008, 12:22 PM

There's 4Music to add as of tonight too.

I note that its a pay channel and not even FTV. Surely this isn't in line with C4's long terms strategy on digital terrestrial, digital satellite and cable?:confused:

b166er

08-18-2008, 12:27 PM

I note that its a pay channel and not even FTV. Surely this isn't in line with C4's long terms strategy on digital terrestrial, digital satellite and cable?:confused:Shocked :eek: After seeing their ad for the upcoming channel probably half a dozen times, I had no idea at all it was a pay channel. They certainly keep that fact quiet in the ads.

Pete77

08-18-2008, 12:44 PM

Shocked :eek: After seeing their ad for the upcoming channel probably half a dozen times, I had no idea at all it was a pay channel. They certainly keep that fact quiet in the ads.

Well its pay at the moment on Sky/Astra but I can't see how that makes sense if one of their main likely target markets is Freesatters. I haven't tried rescanning the old OnDigital DTX 6370 to see if its free or even available at all on Freeview.

Obviously TMF and The Hits are free on Freeview and pay on Sky but that is for legacy related contractual reasons. I can's see why C4 would start a new music channel on satellite that is pay from the outset. That seems to go against the whole direction of their current corporate strategy. Especially when loads of other music channels at 28 degrees East are FTA.

cwaring

08-18-2008, 01:00 PM

Obviously TMF and The Hits are free on Freeview and pay on Sky but that is for legacy related contractual reasons.
Really? As far as I know, 4Music has replaced 'The Hits' on Sky and VM, so assume that's why it's 'pay' on those platforms and not on Freeview.

Pete77

08-18-2008, 01:31 PM

Really? As far as I know, 4Music has replaced 'The Hits' on Sky and VM, so assume that's why it's 'pay' on those platforms and not on Freeview.

What has that got to do with it?

The channel is now branded 4Music so therefore one would expect it to follow the corporate positioning of any other channel broadcast by the Channel 4 stable i.e. FTA/FTV.

Changing it from pay to FTA or FTV is the flick of a switch in technical terms (although not obviously in contractual terms) so if its still pay then it should have not been rebranded 4Music.

Pete77

08-18-2008, 01:40 PM

www.joinfreesat.co.uk/index.php/4music-launches-today-but-not-on-freesat has more discussion about this.

Benedict

08-18-2008, 02:19 PM

The channel is now branded 4Music so therefore one would expect it to follow the corporate positioning of any other channel broadcast by the Channel 4 stable i.e. FTA/FTV.4Music is not owned by Channel 4. It's owned by BoxTV, which these days is a 50:50 joint venture between Channel 4 and Bauer Media (my employer). As Carl rightly points out, it is a re-branded and re-launched version of The Hits. Any contracts with Sky will almost certainly pre-date Channel 4's invlovement in BoxTV.

....so if its still pay then it should have not been rebranded 4Music.Why not?

cwaring

08-18-2008, 03:00 PM

What has that got to do with it?

Well...

(although not obviously in contractual terms)
I guess it's a term of the contract that's stopping them going FTA.

As Carl rightly points out, it is a re-branded and re-launched version of The Hits.
Ahh. That bit I didn't realise. I wondered what had happened to TH :)

@Benedict. I assume then, that C4's buying of a 50% stake in "The Hits" came with the condition of a re-branding? Just my guess.

Benedict

08-18-2008, 03:44 PM

I assume then, that C4's buying of a 50% stake in "The Hits" came with the condition of a re-branding? Just my guess.I don't know the answer to that, although I imagine it would be unlikely. When Emap sold their 50% of BoxTV to C4 just over a year ago The Hits was the UK's most watched music TV channel and you don't rebrand something like that without serious consideration of the consequences.

The BoxTV joint venture is more than just The Hits though. It includes the Smash Hits, Kerrang!, Kiss, Magic, Q and The Box TV channels.

Pete77

08-18-2008, 04:15 PM

I don't know the answer to that, although I imagine it would be unlikely. When Emap sold their 50% of BoxTV to C4 just over a year ago The Hits was the UK's most watched music TV channel and you don't rebrand something like that without serious consideration of the consequences.

It was was the most watched surely purely because it was one of only two FTA music channels on Freeview. Probably it had the more viewers of the two only because it had a lower channel number than TMF.

But now with Freeview taking off one would have thought that being FTA on freesat.co.uk was also important, although having said that there are around one million Sky Freesatters compared to only around 200,000 BBC/ITV freesat.co.uk types at the present time. However obviously the freesat.co.uk brigade are likely to increase vastly once the Humax HD PVR is launched, presumably just in time for the xmas sales rush.

aerialplug

08-20-2008, 09:22 AM

I'll get something together asap

aerialplug

09-01-2008, 02:44 PM

Hmm new Sky 1 to replace Sky ONC - and 2 and 3. Really need to get my act together now...

atari_addict

09-02-2008, 04:07 AM

Hmm new Sky 1 to replace Sky ONC - and 2 and 3. Really need to get my act together now...
A Stone of Sisyphus job - but rewarding in the end!

aerialplug

09-11-2008, 05:24 PM

Life's been insanely busy these days with many other other priorities.

Still - I hope to get a proper logo distribution together soon. As a taster, here is my first draft of the three new Sky logos. They fit in well with the new re-brand - it took over an hour to get these done as logos with transparent backgrounds are incredibly fiddly to get right, and I'm not 100% happy with a couple of them still.

I hope you like them.

As usual, comments appreciated, positive or negative and I hope to get a proper full set uploaded soon.

Milhouse

10-16-2008, 05:30 PM

Any luck with an updated set? :)

aerialplug

10-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Soon... especially with so many new logos appearing recently.

aerialplug

10-25-2008, 10:55 AM

aerialplug

10-25-2008, 12:08 PM

Milhouse

10-25-2008, 12:32 PM

All looks good, just the following minor issues:

SKY1-s1-p1.png and BBCALBA-s1-p1.png seem to be missing from the Sky set.

MTVHITS-s1-p1.png is called "MTVHITSs1-p1.png" - looks like it's a typo (missing hyphen) in the filename as MTVHITS-s2-p2.png is correct.

ESPCLUK has an extra hyphen after the call sign (ie. ESPCLUK--s1-p1.png and ESPCLUK--s2-p2.png) - is this correct?

FIVEUP1 and DSCHDUK have no logo in the Sky set.

SKY1HD still has the old SKY1 logo - it just needs the new SKY1 logo (unless there is an HD variant?)

Many thanks for putting this together! :)

aerialplug

10-25-2008, 01:16 PM

Thanks - I'd already spotted Sky 1 and BBC Alba - both are missing an S1 logo

I've also spotted a pallette problem with Fiver and there's something not quite right with Five (though it's rendering correctly on the TiVo screen).

As to the HD logos - I don't bother with those as TiVo can't do HD...

nickf

10-25-2008, 01:52 PM

A couple of logos missing for Freeview - 4MUSIC (fairly new, don't think we've ever had one for this channel), and Absolute Radio / ABSOLRA (new name for Virgin Radio). Otherwise looks good!

Milhouse

10-25-2008, 02:17 PM

As to the HD logos - I don't bother with those as TiVo can't do HD...

Fair enough, although I use my TiVo to instruct my SkyHD box to record HD content so I still have content on my TiVo from HD channels, albeit in SD resolution.

Would it make sense to duplicate the SD logos for HD channels? I'm thinking Sky1HD in particular, and maybe the Sky HD sports channels as well. BBC HD would be nice.

Thanks again.

nickf

10-25-2008, 03:05 PM

Would it make sense to duplicate the SD logos for HD channels?

Can't you do this manually? eg before there was a separate C4+1 logo, I just copied C4-s1-p1.png to C4P1-s1-p1.png, and the same for s2-p2...

aerialplug

10-25-2008, 03:10 PM

I suggest you copy them yourself if you want them.

I can see a point for the BBC HD logo - try using the Sky EPG to search for anything firther than 3 days in the future - it's horrifically slow! I wonder if the for thcoming major upgrade to the EPG software will address this issue? Anything else, just clone the logo and give it a new callsign - it'll automatically be associated if you're using loadlogos.

Milhouse

10-25-2008, 03:10 PM

Can't you do this manually? eg before there was a separate C4+1 logo, I just copied C4-s1-p1.png to C4P1-s1-p1.png, and the same for s2-p2...

Of course, but if aerialplug can do it in the set it benefits everyone (or at least those that record "HD" content on their TiVos).

Milhouse

10-25-2008, 03:11 PM

Milhouse

10-25-2008, 04:01 PM

Just a little script to duplicate any missing logos. Copy it to a directory on your tivo, chmod +x fix_logos.sh then cd to the directory containing your logos and run the fix_logos script, finally load the logos into your TiVo.

As it stands it will create logos for the following channels/call signs:

Source Logo New Logo
=========== ========
SKY1 SKY1HD
DISCOV DSCHDUK
SKYSP1 SKYSPHD1
SKYSP2 SKYSPHD2
SKYSP3 SKYSPHD3
FIVER FIVERP1
SMOVPR SKYPRHD
HORROR HORROR1
TRUEMOV2 TRUMOV2
MOV4MEN MOV4MP1
DISSCI DISSCI1
WATCHUK WATCHP1
SKYARTS SKYART1
SKYARTS SKYART2
SKYARTS SKYARTHD
HALLMK HALLMP1
GEMSTV2 GEMSTV3
C4 C4HD

EDIT2:
Added SKYART1, SKYART2, SKYARTHD, HALLMP1 and GEMSTV3
Fixes TRUEMOV2 -> TRUMOV2
Fixes MTVHITS
Now uses sym-links instead of copying - will not overwrite existing logo files.

EDIT1: Added DISSCI1 and WATCHP1

PhilG

10-25-2008, 04:39 PM

Based on the fact that TiVo wiped the logo database with an update yesterday, a new distribution is being worked on and will be available hopefully later today - keep your eye on this thread for more information.

I wish someone could work out how they do that - then perhaps we coudl reinstate logos without a reboot....?

Phil G

dogsbody

10-25-2008, 08:12 PM

A beta version of 9.5.0 can now be found here (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos).

Could you please download it and try it out - I'm sure I've made a couple of omissions or possibly forgotten to change a callsign, but it looks complete on my Now Showing screen.

Any feedback here would be appreciated and fed into 9.5.1 soon.aerialplug, thank you again for a great service!! :up: :cool:

Here is my feedback....

Missing logo's
WATCHP1 - Watch Plus One Hour (can be copied from WATCHUK)
HALLMP1 - The Hallmark Channel Plus One Hour (can be copied from HALLMK)
DMAXE - DMAX
DISKNOW - Discovery Knowledge
4MUSIC - 4Music
GEMSTV3 - Gems.tv 3 (can be copied from GEMSTV2)
ABSOLRA - Absolute Radio
ABSEXTRM - Absolute Xtreme
ABSCLSRK - Absolute Classic Rock
NMERAD - NME Radio

Logo errors
Processing ./UKGARD-s1-p1.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s1-p1' does not match detected type '2'ukgard-s1-p1.png
Processing ./UKGARD-s2-p2.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s2-p2' does not match detected type '1'ukgard-s2-p2.png

Purple logo's
five-tw-s2-p2.png

I hope this helps

atari_addict

10-26-2008, 06:20 AM

Logo errors
Processing ./UKGARD-s1-p1.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s1-p1' does not match detected type '2'ukgard-s1-p1.png
Processing ./UKGARD-s2-p2.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s2-p2' does not match detected type '1'ukgard-s2-p2.png

The two logos have their labels the wrong way around.

I see that the long-standing typo MTVHITSs1-p1.png is still present.

Please see my message 913.

mrtickle

10-26-2008, 12:04 PM

Hiya

Many thanks for this updated set! It's really great to have more filled in :D

I'm struggling to find something that hasn't already been commented on. I think the MTVHITS problem was highlighted previously in the thread a few weeks ago, and someone else has pointed out SKY1-s1-p1.png missing (also one of the BBC Alba ones).

Here's one
256 SKYART1 Sky Arts 1
257 SKYART2 Sky Arts 2
The callsigns are now SKYART1 and SKYART2 rather than SKYARTS. Please could you copy and rename the files in the zip?

Another one is:
DISSCI1 Discovery Science Plus One Hour
At the moment I'm copying and renaming my own from DISSCI, but if you could copy and rename in the zip as has been done previously with the others that would be great :-)

My personal votes for new logos would go to (some could be the same logo duplicated):
DMAXE - DMAX
DMAXP1 - DMax Plus One
DMAXP2 - DMAX Plus Two
REDTV - Red TV
DMAXP15 - DMAX Plus 1.5 Hours
FLAVA - Flava
OMUSIC - oMusic TV
DISKNOW - Discovery Knowledge
DISKNO1 - Discovery Knowledge Plus One Hour
MILHIST - Military History

mrtickle

10-26-2008, 12:09 PM

oops forgot
WATCHP1 Watch Plus One Hour
copy and rename the WATCHUK logos ;)

Milhouse

10-26-2008, 12:19 PM

oops forgot
WATCHP1 Watch Plus One Hour
copy and rename the WATCHUK logos ;)

I've added DISSCI1 and WATCHP1 to my "fix logos" script from post #1058 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6795707#post6795707).

This script isn't ideal, but it's perhaps easier to maintain than having aerialplug duplicate logos unecessarily (maybe it could be added to the zip? All the BBC and ITV regions could be added to it eliminating the task of duplicating those logos each time they change)

atari_addict

10-26-2008, 12:56 PM

I think the MTVHITS problem was highlighted previously in the thread a few weeks ago,
A whole year ago!

nickf

10-26-2008, 02:36 PM

This script isn't ideal
Does TiVo support soft links? Would they work better? ie distribute one copy of each distinct image, and have links from the other filenames.

Milhouse

10-26-2008, 02:43 PM

Does TiVo support soft links? Would they work better? ie distribute one copy of each distinct image, and have links from the other filenames.

Yes, I could change to softlinks instead of duplicating - I might do that in the next update if people find this script useful (although to be honest the overhead of duplicating images isn't significant at this time). Typos should be fixed in the set, but if they're not I might try and fix those also (not sure I can do anything with transposed images).

mrtickle

10-26-2008, 08:17 PM

I've added DISSCI1 and WATCHP1 to my "fix logos" script from post #1058 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6795707#post6795707).

Ta! But what about SkyArts? ;)

This script isn't ideal, but it's perhaps easier to maintain than having aerialplug duplicate logos unecessarily (maybe it could be added to the zip? All the BBC and ITV regions could be added to it eliminating the task of duplicating those logos each time they change)

My point was that aerialplug has already made copies for lots of other +1 channels and there's just a handful of extra ones to copy. C4+1 is I think a rare case where the +1 logo is actually a different image.

But with the BBC and ITV regions example you have a good point too. Perhaps a combination of the two ideas then - a script or batch file that aerialplug could run on his master set, when preparing the zip file for us all to use? There's hardly any filespace wasted in duplicating the files within the zip, and some people would forget to run it etc so my personal view is that it's simpler if they were copied and renamed by him. But he does enough work on this already so if it's a choice between no logos or having to rename a few myself of course I don't mind the latter :)

Milhouse

10-26-2008, 08:36 PM

Ta! But what about SkyArts? ;)

That's really an error in the set which should be addressed at source but I'll add it to the script anyway (the next version will use sym links and if the target files already exist they won't be replaced with sym links).

My point was that aerialplug has already made copies for lots of other +1 channels and there's just a handful of extra ones to copy. C4+1 is I think a rare case where the +1 logo is actually a different image.

But with the BBC and ITV regions example you have a good point too. Perhaps a combination of the two ideas then - a script or batch file that aerialplug could run on his master set, when preparing the zip file for us all to use? There's hardly any filespace wasted in duplicating the files within the zip, and some people would forget to run it etc so my personal view is that it's simpler if they were copied and renamed by him. But he does enough work on this already so if it's a choice between no logos or having to rename a few myself of course I don't mind the latter :)

I agree on all counts. The script I've created is really just to simplify the situation while "holes" still exist in the logo set produced by aerial - for me it's the HD channels and a few of the +1 logos that are missing and since I'm not the only one I thought I'd share my solution, particularly as the HD situation isn't going to be addressed (which is fair enough).

With the latest version of the "fix logos" script if aerial decides to fill in some of the missing logos himself then the script will automatically skip over those files.

Milhouse

10-26-2008, 08:50 PM

Ta! But what about SkyArts? ;)

SkyArts added - see post #1058 (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6795707#post6795707).

EDIT: Now also fixes TRUMOV2 and MTVHITS filename typos.

Milhouse

10-26-2008, 08:58 PM

I've just realised that the 9.5.0 Sky set contains a filename error for TRUMOV2 which is in the set as TRUEMOV2 (the E should be removed from the filename) - this call sign is in my fix_logo script copying the logo from TRUEMOV however I'm about to change it to copy TRUEMOV2 to TRUMOV2 in advance of aerial fixing the error.

Milhouse

10-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Missing logo's
WATCHP1 - Watch Plus One Hour (can be copied from WATCHUK)
HALLMP1 - The Hallmark Channel Plus One Hour (can be copied from HALLMK)
GEMSTV3 - Gems.tv 3 (can be copied from GEMSTV2)

Added to the fix logo script in post #1058 in case aerial doesn't want to maintain duplicated logos.

atari_addict

10-27-2008, 05:48 AM

Typos should be fixed in the set, but if they're not I might try and fix those also (not sure I can do anything with transposed images).
Best sorted out at source, a minute or two's work to have it fixed for good without the need for heroic script amendments :)

CarlWalters

10-27-2008, 06:07 AM

could the add logos .tcl script also copy any duplicate logos? Just a thought.

Many thanks to aerialplug for all the logo work - very much appreciated :)

Milhouse

10-27-2008, 07:05 AM

could the add logos .tcl script also copy any duplicate logos? Just a thought.

It could quite easily support such a feature, but does everyone use loadlogos.tcl (I'm sure most do!) and is it worth forking it right now when not everyone might want to fill in the blanks?

I'm not a TCL expert but I'm sure the duplicate logo functionality could be added quite easily to loadlogos.tcl and operate more efficiently than my shell script hack! :) I guess duplicating logos could be added as a non-default option if loadlogos.tcl is forked. If people are interested in such a fork I'll start learning TCL later this week...!

aerialplug

10-27-2008, 04:03 PM

Thanks for all the feedback - I'll get round to doing these mods as soon as I can. Time that I thought I had to do these over the next day or so has suddenly vanished, but hopefully soon.

for now, I'm going to avoid adding extra work in including radio stations and to be honest, I struggle to think why some of the lesser music stations need logos as TiVo can only record them blind as they don't have metadata. I realise some occasionally use TiVo to time shift these channels.

TiVo does indeed to soft linking - but Windows (on which I draw the logos) doesn't support them in the same way that TiVo does - nor does .zip . At the end of the day though, it won't affect the space used in the final logo database as each logo would still be copied for each instance.

I could at some point move over to a final stage on Linux, but at this stage that would be a lot of work.

aerialplug

10-27-2008, 04:09 PM

Would it make sense to duplicate the SD logos for HD channels? I'm thinking Sky1HD in particular, and maybe the Sky HD sports channels as well. BBC HD would be nice.

As there's a demand for these, it seems, I'll duplicate the logos for the ones that are simulcast, and I'll see what I can do about new ones for the few that are different (BBC HD, Discovery, FX HD and possibly even Channe 4 HD as I rather like the straightened paper clips they use to make the "hd" bit :)

Let's get the original set sound first though with the fixes and mods suggested.

ColinYounger

11-02-2008, 05:03 AM

Am I missing something here? I seem to have a lot of channels without logos on my VM lineup:

116 ITV3 ITV3
119 VMIC {VirginMedia Information Channel}
123 VIRGP1 {Virgin 1 Plus One Hour}
126 GOLDE Gold
127 GOLDP1 {Gold Plus 1 Hour}
128 DAVE {UKTV's Dave}
129 DAVEP1 {UKTV's Dave Plus 1 Hour}
130 ALIBI Alibi
139 BRAVO2 {Bravo 2}
185 FIVEUS {Five US}
186 FIVER FIVER
221 DITURBO {Discovery Turbo}
228 NGWILD {Nat Geo Wild}
237 CRINVN {Crime & Investigation Network}
267 UKGARD {UKTV Gardens}
279 GODEUR {God Europe}
311 MTVONE {MTV One}
312 MTV1P1 {MTV One Plus One Hour}
325 MTVTWO {MTV Two}
330 4MUSIC 4Music
424 MOVIE24 {movies 24}
444 FILM4 Film4
601 BBCNEWS {BBC News}
703 BABYTV {Baby TV}
716 NICKJR2 {Nick Junior 2}
731 BOOMRP1 {Boomerang (Plus 1 Hour)}
732 CNTOO {Cartoon Network Too}
742 BDIRECT {Best Direct}
755 GEMSTV3 {Gems.tv 3}
756 GEMSTV2 {Gems.tv 2}
909 BBC6 {BBC6 Music}
915 ABSOLRA {Absolute Radio}
922 CLASSFM {Classic FM}
924 PLROCK {Planet Rock}
928 MAGICFM {Magic 105.4 FM}
929 QRAD {Q Radio}
930 BBCRSMW {BBC Radio Scotland (MW)}
959 GOLD Gold
961 THEJAZZ theJazz
962 HITSRAD {The Hits Radio}

Now, I know that ITV3 and a few others are there, but why aren't they associating?

Sorry to be thick. Got man-flu and brain has stopped working.

dogsbody

11-02-2008, 07:10 AM

Am I missing something here? I seem to have a lot of channels without logos on my VM lineup:

Sorry to be thick. Got man-flu and brain has stopped working.I had the same thing but realised I was pointing loadlogos to the wrong directory. How are you loading the logo's in? Have you rebooted TiVo?

cwaring

11-02-2008, 10:33 AM

I have a very different problem.

I have one programme, right at the bottom of NP that I saved from before BM existed and TW has Sky One. Of course, that channel is not currently available on VM.

So, given that I can't just import it, is there any way to change the old Sky One logo to the new one?

rondun

11-04-2008, 02:43 AM

My logos had disappeared so I did an automatically associate logos in tivoweb.

But then my HD usage (250gb) jumped from about 74% up to 94%?

Would the logos cause that?

mrtickle

11-04-2008, 01:30 PM

No sorry, the logos take up a miniscule amount of disc space.
What you could do is check the disc space usage reported by the Info module, and compare against the total size of all your recordings from the "Now Playing" and "Deleted" pages. Those two totals should roughly match the corresponding numbers on the Info page (add everything except "Live Cache", "Total", "Free Space" and "Deleted" on the Info module page to get the "Now Playing" total).

rondun

11-05-2008, 08:03 AM

Thanks - I didn't think that was the case.

I'm using the hack which shows the usage bar at the top of the now playing screen (can't remember what its called).
I only noticed it because it had been going down and down since the suggestions stopped working. Only after I had fixed the logos did it go from 74% to 94% and the red coloured bit (system files?) jumped from next to nothing to about 20% of the total. No recordings had been made, and I didn't work with any other hacks.
Maybe just coincidence.

Total of files in now showing is about 217GB yet free space in info page is only 3011MB, no deleted files. I know you don't get the full 250GB from the drive but would there be that much difference?

It never really bothered me before since it was always almost full due to suggestions - I'm just trying to figure out why the recent jump.

cwaring

11-13-2008, 07:07 AM

Is it me or is there only a "NP" logo for Sky1? Where's t'other one? :confused:

aerialplug

11-14-2008, 03:30 PM

There are a few problems with the current distro, which was only meant to be an interim test release, but time is currently short. I'll try to fix these problems this weekend.

cwaring

11-14-2008, 03:44 PM

I'd happily give you a hand, but every time I try to make one it doesn't work :(

aerialplug

11-20-2008, 07:33 PM

Sorry guys - I really hope to give this the attention it deserves really soon, but things have gone nuts again for me at the moment and finding spare time is tricky!

I'm now increasingly using TiVo as a tool to find programmes to record on Sky+/HD as trying to do any forward planning on the Sky user interface is comparable to something I stepped in yesterday afternoon on a street corner that smelt awful, left as a message by a dog. I know this is bad news in the long run for TVo in general, but when there are now (allegedly) more Sky+ users in the UK than TiVo users in the U.S...

Also still holding out for the "autumn" release of the brand new Sky+/HD user interface... :(

This weekend I hope for a new logo distro, but weekend looking a bit dicey at the moment I'll try to get something out that meets the requests since the last release.

Milhouse

01-25-2009, 05:34 PM

Things still nuts? :)

I noticed that the Sky2 logo in Now Playing isn't very attractive - looks like a mustard coloured "Sky2" on a solid white background...

aerialplug

01-27-2009, 12:18 PM

Pretty much, which is a good thing these days I guess.

Also, TiVo is a lower priority as I now pretty much watch all my TV on SkyHD, using TiVo as a backup for important programmes and when there are clashes.

Will try to get round to fixing things soon.

The whole Sky suite was a rush job to be honest and are even inconsistent among themselves - I need to re-think it before issuing another release.

Pete77

01-27-2009, 12:33 PM

Also, TiVo is a lower priority as I now pretty much watch all my TV on SkyHD, using TiVo as a backup for important programmes and when there are clashes.

Do you need to line up a worthy successor as logo making King aerialplug?

I expect mikerr would be ready and willing to take over with a suitable amount of initial training.

Milhouse

01-27-2009, 06:01 PM

I expect mikerr would be ready and willing to take over with a suitable amount of initial training.

Not sure it's very polite of you to go proposing *someone else* to take on what is no doubt a time consuming and PITA job. :rolleyes:

Why don't you give it a shot, Pete? You get my vote! And judging by the amount of time you spend on here, you've got plenty of time on your hands. ;-)

Pete77

01-27-2009, 06:07 PM

Not sure it's very polite of you to go proposing *someone else* to take on what is no doubt a time consuming and PITA job. :rolleyes:

I thought it was more of a vote of confidence myself. Mike seems to have shown himself to have rather a propensity for taking on Tivo feature enhancement work.

mikerr

01-27-2009, 06:38 PM

Well you obviously haven't seen my attempts at drawing ;)
I'm no artist ...

I'll stick to coding, thanks!

aerialplug

02-03-2009, 08:35 AM

I'll try to get some fixes out later on today.

aerialplug

02-04-2009, 08:38 AM

I've fixed (hopefully) most if not all of the problems that have been outlined in previous posts.

I've also rendered some new logos as requested - I'm hoping to have these online later on today after I get the chance to test them.

RichardJH

02-04-2009, 05:48 PM

Not really wishing to put more work on you but wondered if you could sort out the folders logo that is used by Mikerr's sortnp hack see:- http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=367247&highlight=sortnp

I have attached the logo as is. Hope you can sort it and perhaps add it to your latest efforts :):)

aerialplug

02-05-2009, 07:17 PM

Problems problems. Lots of silly hard drive failure problems at the moment. Waiting for last night's backup to reload onto a fresh hard drive at the moment - nothing lost but will have to put a hold on the upload of logos until after the weekend unfortunately as I'm out of network reach from tomorrow morning on until very late on Sunday.

All fixes are safe once recovered - minus my second attempt at the Sky 1 2 3 family - which I never got round to doing, sorry. Will do so soon.

Sadly, I'm looking to possibly banish TiVo in the foreseeable future as the hardware real estate underneath the TV is becoming too cluttered (not to mention TiVo's harsh power drain compared to modern products) and there are other products coming on-line now that, while don't even now match TiVo's original specifications, the loss of season passes has seriously made me rethink what I now need to use to record Freeview programmes (after the horrible debacle of the Tevion 801 I bought from Aldi a couple of years ago which became worse and worse each new download that was provided until they just gave up on the software downloads after the last one that made the DVR about as useful as a paper weight with "NO SIGNAL" being displayed after almost any menu operation).

ColinYounger

02-06-2009, 05:13 AM

the loss of season passes No wishing to be picky, but it was suggestions that went, and they're back again. Your TiVo is as it was...

Mostin

02-06-2009, 05:35 AM

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere in this thread but i don't have time to read through all the posts.

My brothers tivo has channel logos but mine doesn't. Iremember seeing them years ago but maybe after a software update, they have gone.

We both have lifetime subs

I don't have any access to hacks(wouldn't know where to start either) so is there anything that can be done?
Thanks

Pete77

02-06-2009, 06:05 AM

No wishing to be picky, but it was suggestions that went, and they're back again. Your TiVo is as it was...

And higher end Freeview + boxes do also support their own version of a Series Link.

Although its vastly inferior to a Tivo Season Pass of course.

dogsbody

02-07-2009, 10:42 AM

I don't have any access to hacks(wouldn't know where to start either) so is there anything that can be done?
ThanksI believe it can only be done with a hack! They aren't as scary as they sound :-)

AMc

02-10-2009, 05:50 AM

Iremember seeing them years ago but maybe after a software update, they have gone.There were a few logos with the standard software, if you want almost all channels you need a network/serial connection.
If you've lost BBC1, BBC2, ITV and C4 (IIRC) then it might be worth trying a restart of the Tivo recorder.

Pete77

02-10-2009, 04:18 PM

Hi aerialplug,

I just wondered how your new set of logos was coming along. It sounds like work has postponed things again, at least until this weekend.

No particular hurry other than that I have just completed a full Tivoweb reinstall (including installing TivoWebPlus 2.1 as well as reinstalling Tivoweb 1.9.4 and am finding that TivoWebPlus 2.1 is now finally beginning to look like a more stable and superior beast compared to TivoWeb 1.9.4 than any of its predecessors) and the last stage of this would be to update my logos to your latest set.

As you haven't come out with the new logo sets yet can I make a couple of last minute requests for the Sky set as follows:-

Sky Channel No Channel Name

201 Paranormal Channel
270 SA Direct
280 Horse & Country
331 World Movies Tv
515 Press Tv
516 NHK World
626 Pop Girl
627 Kix!

The most important one to me by far is World Movies, a channel on which I find I am now scheduling quite a few Manual recordings on my Tivo, despite the stubborn refusal of Tribune to add this channel to their UK Tivo EPG listings.

If you can do anything on any of the above and especially on World Movies in your upcoming new logo set it would really be appreciated.

You can find a logo for World Movies at http://library.digiguide.com/lib/channel/World+Movies+TV-50736 and http://uk-tv-guide.com/list/World+Movies+TV

The Sky World Movies channel (331) is not to be confused wth www.worldmovies.net, which is a completely different channel with a different station logo from the World Movies Channel on Sky/Astra.

Pete77

02-16-2009, 08:14 PM

In a clearly desperate bid to increase viewer numbers Five has now renamed Five US as FiveUSA and has also given the station a suitable new logo. I just thought I would mention this aerialplug in the relatively unlikely event that you should find yourself with any time on your hands in the near future to create a suitable new logo.;)

See www.thinkbox.tv/server/show/ConWebDoc.1651 for more information on the new station identity and its logo.

Pete77

02-20-2009, 03:48 PM

Hi aerialplug,

I just happened to notice it was a Friday evening and so wondered if there was any chance of you posting up the revised logo set on your website this weekend.

We do of course appreciate the sterling work you have always done in developing and maintaining these logos for all of us other Tivo users.:up:

bigwold

02-20-2009, 04:38 PM

Pete77, perhaps aerialplug has a life outside of TiVos? If you are so desperate for new logos perhaps you would like to take on the task yourself?

Whether or not you 'appreciate the sterling work' I don't consider it acceptable to pressurise any supplier of free hacks etc to deliver in timescales to meet your preferences.

aerialplug

02-21-2009, 05:33 AM

I'll give it a try - I was all set to release a set last weekend.

I'll try to include the new Five ones if I get a chance - later on this weekend I hope.

nickf

03-06-2009, 11:44 AM

Pete77

03-06-2009, 11:50 AM

Hi folks

I've tried to design a logo for "Yesterday". I'm using GIMP, and I've got the type 2 logo all drawn, using only colours from the s2mask, taken from aerialplug's instructions page here (http://hywel.underground-history.co.uk/tivo/logos/rollyourown.html). But when I try to import the image to TiVo, it tells me "Error: Invalid file format yesdyfv-s2-p2.png".

Looks like this means it's not using the correct palette. Does anyone know how to save the TiVo palette in the .png file in GIMP? Using Colors | Map | Palette Map just colours the whole thing pink - I think that's recolouring, rather than just re-applying the map. I think I want Colors | Map | Set Colormap, but that's greyed out...

I don't suppose I can get you to take an interest in also creating a logo for World Movies (links listed a few posts above - Sky Channel 331) while you are on the case here.

Aerialplug seems to be in urgent need of passing on the Logos King mantle to a worthy successor. Are you by any chance the right man to apply for the job? If not you then perhaps Johala_Reewi who I see is mentioned on Hywel's logo design info web page and already has established form as an active Tivo hacker (but one of the few who still seem to be actively using their Tivo).

I know, I know why don't I do it myself but I'm afraid that art and design are my absolute weakest suits. If you want somebody to do something with ordering some data sets and analysing them then I am far more likely to be the right man.

Pete77

03-06-2009, 12:00 PM

P.S. I didn't initially realise Yesterday was a rebrand of UK History. I can't imagine why this is necessary. Has UKTV gone bust or something or has The History Channel threatened to sue UKTV for infringement of their trademark?

I guess UKTV are trying to earn some kind of record for stupid rebranding having already got established form in this area with Dave.

Perhaps I should arrange for them to meet the people at Scottish Life who once called their range of investment funds, MarcoPolo, Columbus etc before having to rebrand as International Growth etc when they found that nobody understood what they were on about.

nickf

03-06-2009, 12:00 PM

Wow that was quick! Sadly I'm probably not the man - I don't have Sky, only Freeview. If I can work out how to get GIMP to behave, I may well get Freeview up to date though (eg 4Music is still missing). I have no art skills either though! My background is in banking - last job was at RBS... oops...

Pete77

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

no art skills either though! My background is in banking - last job was at RBS... oops...

Did you get one of those nice big pension payoffs that means you will have all the free time you need to play with Tivo for the rest of your days.;):D

nickf

03-06-2009, 12:13 PM

Did you get one of those nice big pension payoffs that means you will have all the free time you need to play with Tivo for the rest of your days.;):D

Sort of... I was contracting.

Anyway I think I might have cracked GIMP - image needs to be in Indexed mode, not RGB. I will continue to test and report back.

mutant_matt2

03-06-2009, 12:19 PM

If he's posting on this board, I'm gonna guess he's not part of the problem, therefore, won't get the inversely proportional rewards available currently for exiting banking... ;)

Matt :D

Pete77

03-06-2009, 12:32 PM

If he's posting on this board, I'm gonna guess he's not part of the problem, therefore, won't get the inversely proportional rewards available currently for exiting banking... ;)

Surely you are overlooking the clearly large income required by those able to afford a £600 purchase tag for a television recording device back in September 2000.;)

...coolstream

03-06-2009, 04:40 PM

nickf, thanks for pointing me to aerialplug's guide. I knew it existed but was too lazy to do a search. Now that I have it, I'll take look and try to fix my attempts that, like yours, failed with the same error message.

I'm making no promises, and it won't be a priority as I'm in the middle of upgrading my machines to quadcores snd I'm also building a FreeNAS server.

For anyone, come on Pete77, have a try instead of just making requests(!), there's a good starting point for graphics at http://uktv.co.uk/

Pete77

03-06-2009, 05:08 PM

For anyone, come on Pete77, have a try instead of just making requests(!), there's a good starting point for graphics at http://uktv.co.uk/

Anyone want a bet as to when they will rename UKtv Gardens as Daffodil:D

nickf

03-06-2009, 05:52 PM

Surely you are overlooking the clearly large income required by those able to afford a £600 purchase tag for a television recording device back in September 2000.;)

I won't tell you what I spent on a 42" plasma in summer 2002 then...

Where does 600 come from anyway? 300 for the box, 200 for the lifetime listings... I guess I had already spent quite a bit on an original onDigital box with a subscription...

Pete77

03-06-2009, 06:03 PM

Where does 600 come from anyway? 300 for the box, 200 for the lifetime listings... I guess I had already spent quite a bit on an original onDigital box with a subscription...

It was £400 for the Tivo box in September 2000. As that was too large a sum for me to want to pay I remember it clearly.

It seems that to a man in your position it was clearly only a small drop in the ocean..............:p

...coolstream

03-06-2009, 06:18 PM

Pete, that's almost an hour since you posted your reply to my post. Have you finished your first logo yet? ;)

aerialplug

03-07-2009, 03:58 AM

To be honest, I no longer use TiVo much these days. I now use SkyHD and PlayTV (mostly for radio and when Sky's tuners are both recording something)

However, a couple of new channels have appeared recently (or rebranded) - if someone could list these and their callsigns I'll try to get a new distribution done in the next day or so. I know I've said this before... but each time I'm about to put a new zip file online, new channels / rebrands happen!

martink0646

03-07-2009, 06:05 AM

I won't tell you what I spent on a 42" plasma in summer 2002 then...

Where does 600 come from anyway? 300 for the box, 200 for the lifetime listings... I guess I had already spent quite a bit on an original onDigital box with a subscription...

Nick,

Oh, memories. When I bought 42" plasma in 2001, the wall bracket cost almost as much (within £100) of the replacement plasma purchased in mid 2007!!!!

Martin

nickf

03-07-2009, 08:30 AM

Missing logos on my Freeview TiVo are: Yesterday (YESDYFV), 4Music (4MUSIC), Five USA (FIVEUSA), Discovery Quest (QUEST - not yet broadcasting though), CNN (CNNFV), and Absolute Radio (ABSOLRA).

CNN can be lifted from the existing Sky logos. I've made logos for the others, including Quest. They're not brilliant, but they're better than nothing. I can't seem to get the transparency to work properly though; they seem to work OK on TiVo, but viewing the images on the PC or in TiVoWeb, the magenta / green background colour still shows as magenta or green, not transparent. I think it's my unfamiliarity with GIMP that is the problem...

Happy to pass these logos on if you want to sort the transparency and include them in the next set?

Pete77

03-07-2009, 09:19 AM

However, a couple of new channels have appeared recently (or rebranded) - if someone could list these and their callsigns I'll try to get a new distribution done in the next day or so.

Having now been through the thread the following seem to have been requested or need doing and/or are mainstream new/renamed Sky Knowledge pack channels. I have split these between channels for which Tribune provides EPG data for Tivo and then between those channels for which Tribune does not currently provide EPG data in terms of whether Digiguide provides EPG listings for them or Digiguide does not.

Not in Aerialplug's Logo Set But EPG Data Also Provided On Tivo ByTribune

Sky Ch No Channel Name Tivo Db Channel Identifier

144 "DMAX" DMAX
145 "DMAX +1" DMAXP1
206 "DMAX +1.5" DMAXP15
256 "Sky Arts 1" SKYART1 (Channel Split In Two)
257 "Sky Arts 2" SKYART2 (Channel Split in Two)
366 "4Music" 4MUSIC
531 "Military History" MILHIST
532 "Eden" EDEN
533 "Eden +1" EDENP1
534 "Blighty" BLIGHTY
537 "Yesterday" YESTDAY
538 "Yesterday + One Hour" YESDYP1
551 "Investigation Discovery" INVDISC
553 "Crime" CRINVN
554 "Crime +1" CINP1
557 "Discovery Knowledge +1" DISKNO1
623 "Baby Tv" BABYTV
624 "Baby First" BFIRST

Not in AerialPlug's Logos and Also No Tribune EPG Data But EPG Data Provided By Digiguide (Hence Scheduling Manual Recordings with The Digiguide Tivoweb Module on Tivo is Easily possible)

Sky Ch No Channel Name Tivo Db Channel Identifier

201 "Paranormal Channel" PARANRM
269 "Diva" DIVA
277 "Diva +1" DIVAP1
270 "SA Direct" SADIRCT
280 "Horse & Country" HORSECT
331 "World Movies" WLDMOV
367 "Flava" FLAVA
382 "NME TV" NMETV
626 "Pop Girl" POPGIRL
627 "Kix!" KIX

Not in AerialPlug's Logos and No Tribune EPG Data and Also No Digiguide EPG Data But Nonetheless Serious FTA News Channels That Are Right Next to News Channels With Logos on the Sky EPG.

Sky Ch No Channel Name Tivo Db Channel Identifier

515 "Press Tv" PRESSTV
516 "NHK World" NHKWLD

Logo File Name Errors or Logo Content Errors For Existing Logos Listed By Other Forum Members in Previous Posts In This Thread

Logo errors
Processing ./UKGARD-s1-p1.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s1-p1' does not match detected type '2'ukgard-s1-p1.png
Processing ./UKGARD-s2-p2.png
Error: Filename suffix '-s2-p2' does not match detected type '1'ukgard-s2-p2.png
Purple logo's
five-tw-s2-p2.png

I realise that this unfortunately amounts to quite a lot of work but I think it is a fairly comprehensive list viz Sky so may be helpful to aerialplug. Those with Freeview listings on their Tivos may also wish to list the relevant Tivo Channel IDs for any new or changed name stations where the Tivo Station ID differs from those used on Sky.

nickf

03-07-2009, 10:24 AM

In addition to the channels I've listed above, I have the following symbolic links on my TiVo (for renamed channels, +1s etc) - these should be tidied up, or logos duplicated.

HITSRAD -> THEHITS (rename THEHITS to HITSRAD - THEHITS channel no longer exists, it became 4music)
FIVERDT -> FIVER (copy FIVER to FIVERDT - Freeview Fiver has a different ID to Sky Fiver)
BBCNEWS -> BBC24 (rename BBC24 to BBCNEWS - channel changed name)
DAVEJVF -> DAVE (should create a Dave Ja Vu logo)

We also need a logo for Russia Today (RUSTOFV).

nickf

03-07-2009, 01:08 PM

Purple logo's
five-tw-s2-p2.png

Is it the purple background in TiVoWeb that bothers you? It should look fine on the Now Playing screen in TiVo itself. The purple in the .png file just needs to be made transparent. I can do it at some point... I'm now using MS Photo Editor to make the backgrounds transparent for TiVoWeb.

nickf

03-08-2009, 05:49 AM

Pete77

03-08-2009, 06:17 AM

Sorry for the multiple posts - but I now have logos for the following channels:
4Music
Absolute Radio
CNN Freeview
Dave Ja Vu
Five (with purple background made transparent)
Five USA
Quest
Russia Today
Yesterday

Who wants 'em?

I imagine that Hywel/aerialplug would be grateful for them (assuming they come up to his usual high standard) so that he can incorporate them in his current logo set. How about posting a zip file containing the logos here in this thread?

So far as CNN and Russia Today go they both had logos in aerialplug's last full released set for Sky so I'm not quite clear why further logo design would be necessary? All that is needed for CNN on Freeview is to rename the logo Hywel created for Sky appropriately so that the file name matches the different Freeview Tivo channel identifier.

How straightforward is the process of logo creation and how long would it take me to learn the required skills needed to make one for World Movies (see www.lyngsat-logo.com/tvpack/skyuk.html)

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 07:20 AM

I second Pete's suggestion to post your logos in this thread.

I'd certainly welcome anything to fill the gaps in my NP!

nickf

03-08-2009, 12:31 PM

They are on their way - just got a couple of oddities to iron out!

nickf

03-08-2009, 01:54 PM

Right! File is attached. This contains logos for the following channels:

4Music (new)
Absolute Radio (new)
CNN (aerialplug's logo - renamed CNNFV to work out-of-the-box with Freeview)
Dave Ja Vu (new)
Fiver (replacement design, plus renamed FIVERDT to work out-of-the-box with Freeview)
Five (transparent surround)
Five USA (new - replaces Five US)
Quest (new)
Russia Today (aerialplug's logo - filename RUSTOFV to work out-of-the-box with Freeview)
Yesterday (new)

Pete - it was pretty easy to create them, once I got my head around GIMP. I'll put together some notes on how to do it.

Please feed back any comments in this thread.

Cheers, Nick

Pete77

03-08-2009, 01:59 PM

Russia Today (aerialplug's logo - filename RUSTOFV to work out-of-the-box with Freeview)

How many hours per day is Russia Today on Freeview then and what does it time share with? Unfortunately in my marginal signal area I can no longer get a Freeview signal at all on two thirds of the Freeview Muxes so have no way of telling.

The Freeview website page at www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/Channels makes no mention of Russia Today. Whereas CNN is now listed under News channels. Talkabout a propaganda exercise though! This is clearly entirely funded by Russian government money, whereas Bloomberg or Euronews would have been likely to have had genuine audience demand or at least significantly more than Russia Today's likely 5 viewers.

The subtlety of DaveJaVu is I fear unfortunately likely to be lost on 90%+ of the likely viewing audience. Any bets anyone on how many months it will be before it is renamed as Dave+1?

RichardJH

03-08-2009, 02:18 PM

Pete surely a thanks would have been more helpful

nickf

03-08-2009, 02:20 PM

How many hours per day is Russia Today on Freeview then and what does it time share with?
My pleasure. :) According to DigiGuide, it's on from 6am to 8am. A good site for up-to-date Mux info is this one (http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk/dtt/dtt.cgi).

The subtlety of DaveJaVu is I fear unfortunately likely to be lost on 90%+ of the likely viewing audience. Any bets anyone on how many months it will be before it is renamed as Dave+1?
It was Dave+1 until recently. I think people can understand it.

Pete77

03-08-2009, 02:25 PM

It was Dave+1 until recently. I think people can understand it.

Are you sure that Jade Goodie or Vinnie Jones and their ilk will understand it though?

Actually I couldn't resist the temptation to rescan the Freeview box and currently can get four of the six Muxes (or at least get enough signal to get them in to the EPG, even if they pixellate or break up at certain times) and Russia Today was on 29 (frequency wise) on the Crystal Palace transmitter on what was one of Crown Castle's and then National Grid Wireless's Muxes. For all I know someone else owns that company by now (EDIT its now known as www.arqiva.com it appears). Russia Today is at channel 85 in the Freeview EPG.

Given the absurd times of day of broadcast (6am to 8am) I would assume it is in fact being used to update some kind of encrypted data stream to Russian Spies without the risks clearly inherent in having their IP address tracked if they were to try to access the relevant data stream over the internet.;)

The only news station likely to have had serious numbers of viewers for just those two hours per day would have been Bloomberg.

I see it does bring up a text screen though during its broadcasting down time that promotes its 24/7 availability on Sky Freesat and ITV/BBC Freesat. So kind of an own goal as far as Freeview are concerned I would have thought.

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 03:05 PM

Excellent job, nickf. They look good to me on the PC.

I've uploaded them to downstairs TiVo and will check them on the TV soon!

Thanks again :up:

nickf

03-08-2009, 03:13 PM

Don't forget to associate them and reboot TiVo afterwards (at least, I have to every time...)

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 03:22 PM

Are you sure that Jade Goodie or Vinnie Jones and their ilk will understand it though?
An unfortunate example to choose if ever there was one. I'm quite sure she has far more germaine things to worry about, but I'm sure that she can at least spell her name!

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 03:26 PM

Don't forget to associate them and reboot TiVo afterwards (at least, I have to every time...)
sending a telnetted 'reboot' command after checking whether TiVo is recording is second nature to me now. :)

Pete77

03-08-2009, 05:02 PM

I have also just added Diva (which does not have Tivo EPG data but does have listings on Digiguide) and Diva+1 to my above list of all the new Sky stations/rebrands for which new logos are required.

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 05:48 PM

nickf, now that I've seen them on the TV, I'm not so sure about the YeSTERDAY logo. I don't know if others see it, but for me, it's as if the letters are alive. Is this what aerialplug referred to as 'ringing'?

I don't know if it would be easier on the eye if the official logo were used instead http://uktv.co.uk/yesterday/homepage/sid/5008.

I'll try to look at Gimp as soon as these three machines I am working on are finished to my satisfaction.

nickf

03-08-2009, 06:05 PM

Pete77

03-08-2009, 06:22 PM

I know what you mean, but I didn't think it was too bad. I didn't see that logo - I lifted mine from Wikipedia. I'll have a go with the logo from the UKTV website - although I might leave out the "where the past is always present" - you won't be able to read it!

The logo that appears on the Five USA channel has a white border with hollow transparent letters for the USA part but what I get when I press the right arrow on my 4 way Tivo remote cursor key is a USA that is filled in and looks like it is in a very pale shade of yellow.

nickf

03-08-2009, 06:42 PM

The logo that appears on the Five USA channel has a white border with hollow transparent letters for the USA part but what I get when I press the right arrow on my 4 way Tivo remote cursor key is a USA that is filled in and looks like it is in a very pale shade of yellow.

Again - taken from Wikipedia. The logo on the five website has a green border! Choices choices (limited by the TiVo palette also). I'll see if I can improve it.

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 07:15 PM

YeSTERDAY logo
I agree, no need for the words underneath :)

Five USA
I really like the one you created and wouldn't change it even if you made another :)

nickf

03-08-2009, 07:45 PM

Revised set of logos attached.

Yesterday is now much easier on the eye.

I've changed FiveUSA to match their logo on the website - the USA is now green-edged, and transparent. Also the alignment of the letters is much neater than before. I'll leave it up to you whether you use these new ones or not!

Others are unchanged but included anyway.

...coolstream

03-08-2009, 11:53 PM

Nice job with the revised YeSTERDAY logo! I have a column of them in NP and the screen doesn't look so busy now :)

verses

03-09-2009, 04:51 AM

Thanks for doing these nickf, your efforts are much appreciated :)

Pete77

03-09-2009, 08:57 AM

nickf

03-09-2009, 09:02 AM

These seem a very good effort indeed for a first try at Logo production from someone with no previous background in this area, but even so I did I'm afraid that I did notice the rather jaggedy edges to the new Five logo (especially in Now Playing) compared to one that aerialplug had turned out no doubt using a much more expensive range of paid professional graphics image software management tools...........

Glad to hear the first part! The only difference between the FIVE logo on Now Playing (ie FIVE-s2-p2.png) is the pink background which I made transparent - you never did confirm if that was what was bothering you though?

Pete77

03-09-2009, 09:07 AM

The only difference between the FIVE logo on Now Playing (ie FIVE-s2-p2.png) is the pink background which I made transparent - you never did confirm if that was what was bothering you though?

I think I was previously using an older Five logo that was just the word Five in a Greeny/Brown. I think that was because I hadn't updated to the current one then as I just change my logos on as needed basis rather than using deletelogos.tcl and loadlogos.tcl every time aerialplug comes up with a new logo set.

If all you did was change the colour scheme on aerialplug's Five logo design then I may be being quite unfairly critical. I expect a perfect oval is a rather hard shape to design with Tivo's fairly low res graphics.:o

RichardJH

03-09-2009, 09:11 AM

then I may be being quite unfairly critical.

How unusual for you Pete :rolleyes::rolleyes:

...coolstream

03-09-2009, 09:15 AM

To be honest, Pete, 100% accuracy isn't going to bother me. As long as the logo doesn't create problems onscreen, I couldn't care less if the colours weren't perfect. That's why I am very happy with nickf's first FiveUSA logo.

If someone, for example, attempted the Watch logo (which if truly accurate would have the a graduation from purple to blue) were to make it all blue to solve potential clashes with the purples in the palette, I wouldn't be upset.

My understanding was that the finished logos would always be an approximation at best, and this would be totally acceptable to me. These are only logos after all and not works of art! (Although I consider some of the work that has been done to be so considered the limited resources available on TiVo).

To refer to nickf's work as an 'effort', whether you qualify that statement or not, is in my opinion rather patronising and a bit like biting the hand that feeds you.

Let us see what you can produce first then we'll judge which is the better 'effort'.

ericd121

03-09-2009, 12:08 PM

To refer to nickf's work as an 'effort', whether you qualify that statement or not, is in my opinion rather patronising and a bit like biting the hand that feeds you.

Let us see what you can produce first then we'll judge which is the better 'effort'.I find myself in the unusual position of defending Pete. :eek:

I think his use of the word "effort" is perfectly normal and acceptable.

Tone is, of course, largely absent in text, and so sometimes it is attributed where it was not intended: I do not see the first clause of that sentence as patronising; indeed, I think Pete was making an effort to be complimentary.

Maybe we're so used to Pete's combative style that we see a transgression that isn't there.

On the other hand, maybe Pete doesn't pay that many compliments and therefore he's a little out of practice! ;):p

nickf

03-09-2009, 01:13 PM

Don't worry I'm not offended!

I now see the "watch" logo as a challenge. I might try the rebranded UKTV channels next, for Sky. No promises when though.

Pete77

03-09-2009, 03:03 PM

I think his use of the word "effort" is perfectly normal and acceptable.

Maybe we're so used to Pete's combative style that we see a transgression that isn't there.

Eric I think if I was a schoolteacher I would have been commended for my friendly and non combative approach. However the view of some forum members seems to be that no comment on any hack or other such items must be anything other than totally praiseworthy in nature because their creators have given their time free of charge. You will encounter this culture even more stongly over in the TivoWebPlus 2.1 development thread over at the databaseofdeals. Never criticise anything at all regarding the features of that product or the wrath of BtUx9 (the lead developer on TivoWebPlus) will rain down on you from the heavens.

On the other hand, maybe Pete doesn't pay that many compliments and therefore he's a little out of practice! ;):p

I thought I paid a complement only last night to Rob Randall in the Digiguide thread for his brilliant work in completely updating the digiguide.itcl module to acommodate various changes in the www.mydigiguide.com website and also the change to Episode ID titles made by mikerr's SortNP tcl program.

nickf

03-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Attached are logos for the following Sky channels. These correspond to Pete's list "Not in Aerialplug's Logo Set But EPG Data Also Provided On Tivo By Tribune".

DMAX, DMAX+1, DMAX+1.5
Sky Arts 1
Sky Arts 2
4Music (same as Freeview file previously posted)
Military History
Eden, Eden+1
Blighty
Yesterday, Yesterday+1 (same as Freeview file previously posted - just different name)
Investigation Discovery
Crime, Crime+1
Discovery Knowledge +1 (Disc Knowledge wasn't listed, but I couldn't see an icon for that in aerialplug's latest zip?)
Baby TV
Baby First

A couple of notes.

I haven't created distinct logos for the +1, +1.5 etc channels; I have just duplicated the logo for the main channel. My reasoning is - since these logos are for a PVR, you don't really care if what you are watching was recorded from a live channel, or a +1 channel.

I have checked these logos can be loaded onto TiVo using the loadlogos.tcl script, but since I don't have Sky, I haven't actually checked how they appear on screen (apart from Yesterday and 4Music which are also on Freeview). So if you have any comments on their appearance, please let me know here.

Enjoy!

Nick

...coolstream

03-10-2009, 08:28 AM

I have checked DMAX,Sky Arts 1, Sky Arts 2, 4Music, Eden, Blighty and Yesterday and they all seem to work.

DMAX on a black background looks a bit harsh, but since it's such an ugly logo anyway, I wouldn't really bother to change it.

Thanks again for your work :)

nickf

03-10-2009, 08:53 AM

Great thanks for checking. I could make DMAX white-on-transparent, might put that on the list of improvements once all the new ones are created.

nickf

03-11-2009, 09:59 AM

...coolstream

03-11-2009, 01:25 PM

You're right, DMAX does look less harsh with a transparent background. I'm almost tempted to suggest that Dave could do with the same treatment, but that might offend some who prefer to have logos as near as possible to the originals.

You certainly appear to have mastered the art of logo making. I certainly appreciate the effort you have gone to do create logos that you don't even use yourself! :cheers:

P.S. I see on the BBC site, that they appear to have tweaked the BBC3 logo again to now have a purpleish background http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/

nickf

03-11-2009, 05:11 PM

Yes I think I'd prefer Dave to be transparent - in fact in general a lot of channels would look better that way, rather than a harsh white (or black, or dark green...) rectangle. eg BBC Three is normally transparent when it's overlaid on the broadcast - personally I think TiVo should reflect the DOG if possible.

In this initial cut I was just looking at plugging the gaps though. But I quite enjoyed making them - and I've messaged aerialplug to see if he wants me to take on the Freeview logos at least - I don't want to tread on his toes, but if he rarely uses TiVo, it makes sense to hand it on. Not heard back yet though.

Nick

PS Pete - have I missed any?

nickf

03-13-2009, 02:55 PM

I have now put together a full* Freeview logo set, based on aerialplug's Sky one (with his blessing), and with the additional logos I've posted over the last few days, plus some modified BBC TV logos. This can be found here (http://www.novemberfox.co.uk/TiVo/logos).

There are a couple of things I need people to check, if possible.

In Wales, is the code for S4C2, S4C2?
In NI, is the code for U105, U105?
Also in NI, what is the code for BBC Radio Foyle? (I have used BBCRFOY)
In Scotland, is the code for TeleG, TELEG?

I've assumed the above codes, so if they are right, the logos will appear correctly.

Please post any comments, suggestions, errors etc here.

Thanks, Nick

* excluding the following channels: Smile / Smile2, Lottery Xtra, Super Casino, NetPlay TV. Any demand for these?!

...coolstream

03-13-2009, 06:00 PM

nickf

03-14-2009, 06:14 AM

Impressive!

I really like the new logos for BBC 1,2,3 & 4.

TELEG is the callsign for TeleG :)

I don't have those stations in my list, so I'd be happier to see you work on Sky/Virgin channels (if that is what you were planning to do)

As a personal favour, I'd welcome a logo for BBC HD if you find the time.

BBCHD now done - see the link in my sig. It's similar to the BBC ones. I will look at changing the other BBC channels (news / parliament) to be similar.

Thanks for the confirmation on TELEG.

I think aerialplug is going to pull together a definitive Sky distribution shortly. However I might have a crack at a Freesat one (if the wife lets me re-run guided setup...) - most of the logos now exist.

Milhouse

03-14-2009, 07:54 AM

A fix for the Sky1 error in Aerialplugs distribution would be great (SKY1-s1-p1.png is missing), also does anyone fancy trying their hand at the Sky HD logos (SKY1HD, Sky Sports etc.)? I don't think Aerialplug has plans for this as he doesn't have SkyHD.

:)

(You might think it perverse to care about the HD logos on TiVo, but the HD logo would tell me I have another copy of the programme sitting on my SkyHD box, available in HD!)

...coolstream

03-14-2009, 11:48 AM

Thanks again!

BBCHD-s2-p2 is OK Type 2 Palette
BBCHD-s1-p1 Invalid file format :(

nickf

03-14-2009, 01:13 PM

Serves me right for being lazy and not trying to load on my box! It was the wrong size... Now corrected in v0.32 on the link below.

I've also written some instructions for anyone wanting to have a go at creating their own logos with GIMP - also on my site.

...coolstream

03-14-2009, 11:29 PM

Thanks for the updated logo and for the detailed instructions.

I will definitely give them a serious read tomorrow :)

Pete77

03-16-2009, 10:34 PM

Attached is an expanded set of additional Sky logos. This contains what was posted before, plus the following. These should complete the gaps in Pete's lists a page back.

Paranormal Channel
Diva, Diva+1
SA Direct
Horse & Country
World Movies
Flava
NME TV
Pop Girl
Kix!
Press TV
NHK World

As before, I have checked these load onto TiVo using the loadlogos script, but haven't seen them on-screen. Please let me know if they look OK (especially the ones with transparent backgrounds - DMAX, Flava, NME, PopGirl and Kix)

Nick,

Many thanks for your post in a certain other thread reminding me I had not so far responded on your very impressive efforts with logo production in this one.

All your new logos seemed to load and work fine and I personally do not have any big issue about putting them on a white and/or at least a solid background of some kind. In fact we only have to look at how bizarre Five's red circle logo with letters inside it looks with no rectangular background as a case in point. Also how would would the blue writing in the travel channel work against a blue background without its surrounding white rectangle?

I also have a much bigger issue still with the suggestion made by some other forum members in this thread that the Logos designed for Now Playing and the on screen EPG should be precisely the same as the actual DOG shown on the actual channel since in several cases those DOGs have been purposefully reduced to a colourless white design (eg World Movies which originally used to show its DOG in glorious technicolour but changed to white after complaints it was messing up actual visual enhoyment of the movie) that would not look at all appealing in Now Playing. We only have to think of the rather soulless white or shades of grey only original default logos actually provided by Tivo on certain channels (eg BBC) to confirm just how dull an all white logo often is.

I think that using BBC FOUR's DOG for Now Playing or the Tivo station specific EPG would be a very retrograde step as it is more or less the same as the old very bland official Tivo BBC logos. Also BBC One and BBC Two, ITV1, C4 and Five have no DOG, even on dtt, cable or satellite so how does one emulate the DOG there? Clearly one can't and so we are left only with the official station logo as published on the BBC website. If we have to accept that for those channels then why should things be any different for the other channels. A DOG design is for use as part of the viewing picture and so should be low key so as to not upset the viewer's watching enjoyment (Controllers of BBC Three plus CBeebies please especially note this point), whereas a Now Playing or on screen EPG logo is for active station identification without having to worry about interfering with regular viewing, hence full technicolour as per the station website is quite permissible. I am sure this is a debate that will run and run, especially as Milhouse is sure to have a different point of view to my own.;)

Coming back to your commendable enthusiasm for developing an up to date Freesat logo set and even re-running Guided Setup on your Tivo to that end (but are you aware that this will reputedly wipe out your entire /var/hacks directory and sub-directories and necessitate their re-installation) I think either all or nearly all the Freeview channels that have Tivo or at least Digiguide EPG listings now have logos. Beyond that there are still some FTA channels in the Sky EPG that could be considered as proper channels with regular program content but that I have not bothered to mention in my earlier lists as I very much doubt most Tivo owners would ever record anything from them. Also most of them are fairly recent creations and their longevity cannot be guaranteed. Nonetheless as proper channels (rather than shopping channels, adult channels or completely foreign language channels with no subtitles of which these are many on Sky) Nick may still want to create and include them for the possible sake of completeness?

These include:-

Sky Ch No Channel Name Tivo Db Channel Identifier

187 "AIT Int" AITINT
188 "Showcase Tv" SHOWCSE
199 "Open Heaven Tv" OPHEAV
200 "Edge" EMTV
202 "NTA" NTAI
203 "Channel M Television" CHANMUK
204 HiTV - Has No Tivo Identified as Tribune thinks it is still Pulse
213 "Young At Heart" YOUNGHT
330 "AIT Movistar" AITMOV
331 "Nigeria Movies" NIMOVIE

However looking at the above list AIT Intl is a Nigerian oriented channel as is AIT Movistar and Nigeria Movies, Showcase is a weird amalgam of the output other Tivo channels, Open Heaven Tv is a God channel so ought not to be allowed in this part of the EPG and so on. Young At Heart looks as though it picks up where Bonanza Tv left off and went in to administration and probably promises to be equally short lived. None is covered by Digiguide and unless you are either Nigerian or very religious I doubt you will ever want to record any of them on your Tivo via your Netgem box so if I was Nick I would probably reckon it isn't worth designing them. That was why I omitted them all from my earlier list of required FTA logo additions.

So far as completeness of the logo set is concerned on the Freesat side there are a considerable number of new +1 channels or sibling channels where there is not a logo in the Tivo set that will match the Tivo EPG channel code name, even though no new logo design is required. Just a simple rename or duplication of existing logo files under a new file name is all that is needed to put these problems right. Perhaps once you and/or Aerialplug combined have completed the new logo set then I or another use can try using deletelogos.tcl and loadlogos.tcl and work out what further file names need to be amended and/or duplicated under another name to get us near to a complete fully Automatic Associating Freesat logo set.

Regarding the new pay tv channels I suspect that most of us still here don't watch them as the majority of those content to pay a Sky sub on a full time basis also seem to be the kind of people who feel they must have HD at any price, even if that price is to lose Tivo as we have known come to cherish it over the last eight and a half years.

RichardJH

03-17-2009, 05:22 AM

After that very long post it is obvious Pete does not need one of these :D:D

http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20090323.p.Waffle_Maker.ar2

The link has now expired.

nickf

03-17-2009, 06:14 AM

I've decided against re-running guided setup, since my Freeview digibox doesn't have an RF modulator, so I can't run Freesat AND Freeview into TiVo. If someone who has Freesat can publish a list of Channel IDs, I can try to assemble a logo set - as Pete says most of the channels already have logos so it should mostly just be a file renaming exercise.

Aerialplug is looking at assembling the Sky logo set though, so I'll leave those new channels Pete lists to him for now. If there is enough demand for them I can have a go.

Pete77

03-17-2009, 06:39 AM

Aerialplug is looking at assembling the Sky logo set though, so I'll leave those new channels Pete lists to him for now. If there is enough demand for them I can have a go.

I think the main issue with Freesat is that the number of marginal case channels that are not shopping channels or Adult channels is extensive and one person's never watched obscure foreign language channel may well be a loved channel watched everyday to anyone who owns a Tivo who either comes from or has ethnic links to say the Indian subcontinent.

Hence any list of channels for which logo construction is to be supported on Freesat has to be somewhat subjective unless Nick really feels like creating logos for a hundred or more shopping channels and 20 or so FTA night time adult channels and 50 or so foreign language channels (all of them FTA) and a number of other religion/God channels.

I can readily come up with a file with the channel numbers and station identifiers for all satellite channels in the Sky EPG (pay or free). However the module in Tivoweb that supports this will not put the full station names alongside but usually it is obvious from the combination of channel number and station identifier code combined what channel is involved.

Pete77

03-17-2009, 07:33 AM

In the attached Excel file is the full list of Sky Tivo station identifiers. As I don't have the Sky radio channels in my current EPG set up (dual Sky Freesat and Freeview) perhaps someone else with access to that part of the Tivo EPG can post up those station ids using the Channels module(s) in Tivoweb or TivoWebPlus and cutting and pasting the resulting data output in to a spreadsheet.

For anyone who does not have Excel on their PC can I point you in the direction of www.openoffice.org in which I actually produced the attached spreadsheet in Excel compatible format.

nickf

03-17-2009, 08:09 AM

Pete77

03-17-2009, 08:35 AM

Just to be clear - when I say Freesat, I mean the free satellite service from the BBC and ITV - I don't mean the Sky product FreesatFromSky, or Pay Once Watch Forever, or whatever they call it now.

Freesat has a well defined list of channels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_channels_on_Freesat). I just need the TiVo Channel IDs for these channels, on the Freesat platform (which I think TiVo now supports? Or am I way off the mark there??)

Nick,

The station identifiers used by Tribune for the BBC/ITV Freesat channels are, so far as I am aware (in the absence of not actually having a BBC/ITV Freesat box myself) actually precisely the same as for those on BBC/ITV Freesat. Hence the very small number of Tivo owners running their Tivo boxes with a BBC/ITV Freesat box compared to the much larger number running FreesatFromSky setups with their Tivo simply need to load Aerialplug's Sky logo set and all the ones that match in terms of the logo png name being the same as a Tribune station identifier in the BBC/ITV Freesat lineup will be populated. The fact that BBC/ITV Freesat has different channel numbers to FreesatFromSky/Paying Sky is irrelevant since loadlogos.tcl only associates Logos by a match between the name of the png file and Tribune station ID. The same is true of the Automatically Associate logos function in the modules in both TivoWeb and TivoWebPlus and the function to import new single logos.

I cannot therefore see any case for a separate set of Logos for BBC/ITV Freesat customers. This is even more so the case given that the BBC/ITV Freesat EPG still does not contain a large number of FTA channels the boxes can actually tune (in non Freesat EPG mode) to be found on Sky for either monetary reasons because they have not been persuaded of the wisdom as yet of paying a further EPG fee to BBC/ITV Freesat in addition to the one they pay to Sky (eg CNN or World Movies) or for political reasons (eg Sky News). But slowly but surely most of the non Sky owned FTA channels not on BBC/ITV Freesat are being added to the BBC/ITV Freesat EPG.

I would have thought there was actually a much stronger case for a cable box version of Aerialplug's logo set than a BBC/ITV Freesat one but Aerialplug has chosen not to do so on the basis of the differences in the total channel lineup being relatively small and all the channel identifiers used for the Virgin Media channels that are also on Sky being the same as far as I am aware. So the only reason there is a separate Freeview version of aerialplug's logos is because of the many number of short hour time share versions of channels that appear on Freeview where the EPG for those channel is not the same as the Sky one but instead a cut down subset of it. Also I suspect Freeview box owners were fearful of loading up the much larger Sky logos set or single combined logo set to their Tivos, even though in practical terms a single set of logos matching all known Tribune station ID variants would work. So far as I am aware there is not one station on Freeview that has a logo that is unique to its Freeview incarnation.

So cutting a long story short I believe BBC/ITV Freesatters should use the Sky logo set as many of the channels not presently in the Freesat EPG but in the Sky one will be turning up on BBC/ITV Freesat over the next year or so.

By the way many thanks for the World Movies logo as this is the only one of your recent logos additions that I am making any regular practical personal use of.

nickf

03-17-2009, 09:57 AM

Understood!

Pete77

03-17-2009, 10:24 AM

Understood!

Nick,

Sorry to harp on at undoubtedly far too much length to get my point across but I think you can probably now see why I don't think a BBC/ITV Freesat set is justified any more than a Virgin Media cable one.

Coming back to your logo creations many thanks indeed also for your revised Five USA (just seen it as my Tivo was recording the remake of Harvey) and it really is truly stunning and beautiful with that lovely shade of electric Green. Whereas were the white DOG used by Five USA on the actual channel to be made the Tivo logo it would really be very dull indeed.

nickf

03-19-2009, 02:24 PM

For completeness I've added Partyland to the Freeview distribution (now TiVo have added it as a channel, ID is PTYLAND).

Link in my sig below, for those who need a logo for this channel!

cyril

03-24-2009, 05:24 AM

Many thanks Nickf!

Any chance of doing the other HD channels (SciFiHD, BioHD, FXHD,MTVHD etc..)? :)

atari_addict

03-30-2009, 09:01 AM

Do we have an updated Sky/Cable icon distribution yet? I've lost my way through all this, somewhere.

Pete77

03-30-2009, 09:14 AM

Do we have an updated Sky/Cable icon distribution yet? I've lost my way through all this, somewhere.

I can only really see that happening if aerialplug formally hands over the mantle of logos king (and the maintenance of his website where the logos reside) to his new self appointed heir (nickf).;)

The only way to maintain your Logos at present is to import any that you need that you are missing or that need updating manually one by one (downloading them off the relevant last few pages of this thread) as there is no current valid master Logo set for Satellite/Cable.

atari_addict

03-30-2009, 12:13 PM

I can only really see that happening if aerialplug formally hands over the mantle of logos king (and the maintenance of his website where the logos reside) to his new self appointed heir (nickf).;)

I wouldn't have thought that there would be any problem with handing over the crown so to speak, but the web site would be a different kettle of fish!

I'll think about the logos, need plenty of quiet time for that sort of thing!

nickf

03-30-2009, 01:49 PM

I can only really see that happening if aerialplug formally hands over the mantle of logos king (and the maintenance of his website where the logos reside) to his new self appointed heir (nickf).;)

Aerialplug has told me he still plans to get an updated Sky logo set out soon. I've just compiled a Freeview one for the moment (plus some extra Sky logos as requested).

Pete77

03-30-2009, 01:57 PM

Aerialplug has told me he still plans to get an updated Sky logo set out soon.

Yes but he for no doubt very good personal reasons seems to be using the Ofcom definition of the word "soon" (as in any time in the next 6 months or so).

nickf

03-30-2009, 02:04 PM

Well given that he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart...

Have you tried following my instructions to create your own logos?

Pete77

03-30-2009, 02:16 PM

Have you tried following my instructions to create your own logos?

I'm assuming that a training time and economies of scale principle is likely here and that creating your first decent channel logo takes a very long time indeed but that once you have become good at the process it is much quicker.

That is why I thought I would leave it in the hands of the enthusiasts/experts as long as they are ready, able and willing to make new logos.

And I do very much appreciate everything you done so far Nick and especially your beautiful revised Five USA logo.:up:

Tony Hoyle

04-16-2009, 10:38 AM

Has anyone done logos for the new Comedy Central (was Paramount Comedy)?

I'm also missing the Sky1 channel logo (only have the now showing).

kitschcamp

04-16-2009, 11:01 AM

I have a now playing one from my TiVo. I haven't bothered with a live TV one, as I never use it.

einstein

05-05-2009, 10:10 PM

is there no ITV 2 + 1 logo for Freeview?

I'm sure I asked this before, but it was a while ago?

ColinYounger

05-06-2009, 02:43 AM

Einstein,

I haven't created distinct logos for the +1, +1.5 etc channels; I have just duplicated the logo for the main channel. My reasoning is - since these logos are for a PVR, you don't really care if what you are watching was recorded from a live channel, or a +1 channel.

So, just copy your ITV2 logo to the callsign for ITV2+1!

Pete77

05-06-2009, 05:55 AM

So, just copy your ITV2 logo to the callsign for ITV2+1!

I see that aerialplug still seems to be very busy these days.:p

einstein

05-07-2009, 07:40 PM

Einstein,

So, just copy your ITV2 logo to the callsign for ITV2+1!

okay, I just thought maybe they'd be completed for completeness. I'll have a go at completing a ITV 2 + 1. I actually like to know, what channels my TiVos are recording from, because the channel change normally get's it wrong, and it's easier to identify the channels from the logos, rather than look view the program info, i.e. just from now playing.

nickf

05-26-2009, 04:53 AM

I've uploaded a new version of the Freeview logos, with Virgin 1+1 (plus the new ID for Virgin 1). Link is in my sig.

NShelness

08-02-2009, 09:20 AM

I got tired of waiting for new UKTV and Comedy Central logos, so GIMP, IrfanView, & Paintbrush in hand (I needed all three - don't ask) this morning, I created what I needed from logos out on the web. I found a high quality Comedy Central logo, but a very limited set of new UKTV logos. I've included them both, if someone else wishes to start from the same basis. After a bit of playing around, I decided to crop the top and bottom of the Blighty and Yesterday circular logos so the text remains legible (sort of). If you want to retain the full circles, they are in the alternatives folder.

As the following postings make clear, there was a problem with my initial logos, caused by a bug in GIMP (it re-indexed the palette in a saved .png file, which caused TiVo to later mis-render the logos). I was able to use IrfanView to reset the .png palettes back to their TiVo-expected layout, and everything now works

NShelness

08-02-2009, 02:31 PM

These logos look great in TivoWebPlus, but not on the TiVo itself. Despite reducing the color depth to 4 in some cases, and selecting colors from the TiVo palette, the problem is not solved. I have a few more things to try. If things get better, I'll repost the above.

NShelness

08-03-2009, 04:00 AM

Two hours to create the logos. 12 hours trying to find the prob (see above). In the end opened ITV4 in GIMP x64 and saved it as ITV4x, and voila! Had the same problem. I'll try reverting to GIMP x86 and see if it has the same problem. As an aside, I've been using GIMP x64 for ages for creating WEB icons and images with WEB palettes, and never had a problem. [sigh]

NShelness

08-03-2009, 04:44 AM

GIMP x86 (V.2.2.6) has exactly the same problem!

NShelness

08-03-2009, 06:46 AM

And the problem is - that the GIMP (went back to 2.4.7, just in case) .png plugin does not maintain the order of the TiVo palettes. Not a problem on the web, but certainly is on a TiVo. I'll try GIMP->IrfanView (with a TiVo palette) and see if that helps.

NShelness

08-03-2009, 11:31 AM

It did, I was able to use IrfanView to reset the palettes to their initial order. As an end result, I've re-attached the corrected logos above.

johala_reewi

08-04-2009, 07:53 AM

NShelness

08-19-2009, 03:05 PM

Ages ago when I used GIMP to do some Tivo logos, it all worked fine except that when gimp first opens the image. I had to reset the palette (for some reason it lost the first colour). I did produce some gimp/tivo palettes (I think they are on aerialplugs website). Are you using those?

Sorry, I didn't respond earlier. Yes, I'm using your palettes. As palettes they are fine. Unfortunately, it would appear that UK TiVos, ignore the colour values in the palette, and instead use the palette indeci to select from a local table of coulour values. This being the case, the palate indeci have to be maintained. For whatever reason, the versions of Gimp I tried did not maintain palette indeci. I didn't try resetting the Gimp palette, maybe this would have resolved the indeci problem. In any case, opening the empty images from aerialplug in IrfanView, and exporting their palettes allowed me to reset the palettes in Gimp-generated .png image by opening the images in IrfanView and importing the appropriate palettes before re-saving the images as .png files.

By the way, I've cleaned up a number of problem images (Fiver), generated a few more (STV), and improved my first attempts. I really should re-post them.

nickf

11-15-2009, 11:37 AM

I've added Viva to my Freeview logo set, and updated the Virgin channel names to match what TiVo now calls them. Link is in my sig.
Nick