New channel logos

[aerialplug]

Is Release 8.4.0 still the latest?

Also, is there a logo for smileTV (not that I watch it, just for completeness really)

Yes and no!

Checking my memory stick (the master for all my web efforts) I see there's a version 8.4.1 there - probably a couple of minor fixes that I forgot to post to the web site.

I'm about to add the new Film4, Virgin Radio and Smile TV (whatever that is - I can't see it in my Sky lineup but I found a "coming soon" web site with a beautiful rendition of the logo).

8.4.2 will go online later on today with these minor changes. I'll have a quick butchers on TiVo's list to see if there are any other channels that have appeared recently that need to be added.

[Edit: 8.4.2 now online]

[darrin2101]

Yes and no!

Checking my memory stick (the master for all my web efforts) I see there's a version 8.4.1 there - probably a couple of minor fixes that I forgot to post to the web site.

I'm about to add the new Film4, Virgin Radio and Smile TV (whatever that is - I can't see it in my Sky lineup but I found a "coming soon" web site with a beautiful rendition of the logo).

8.4.2 will go online later on today with these minor changes. I'll have a quick butchers on TiVo's list to see if there are any other channels that have appeared recently that need to be added.

[Edit: 8.4.2 now online]
Cool, Thanks for that

[smatson]

record tv channel 810 sky tv if you can please :)

[dlmcmurr]

Hey aerialplug,

Have you ever made a logo for the u.s. channel "sleuth"? It's one of the channels I watch a lot and would look nice in my channel lineup. I've attached their official logo as a jpg to serve as a starting point if you need it.

Also, what about "i"? I can't seem to find one of those either, but would have expected one of those to already exist.

Edit out -- oops, I made a another comment meant for another thread....

Thanks,
Dave

[SPR]

Having fairly recently got around to upgrading, first stop was to find some logo's.
Fantastic work Aerialplug!
Never managed to get loadlogos.tcl to work, but TW import did!

ITV Region Meridian now appears to be ITV South though - no biggy as I just changed the file name prefix from ITV1MER to ITV1STH & it associated but you may want to add it to your definitive Sky Logos file set.

Don't think me lazy, but would it be possible to also get logos for
"Crime and Investigation" (http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk - Sky 531 CRINVN) &
"Movies 24" (http://www.tvmovies24.com - Sky 329 HLMKMOV)?

I would be willing to attempt it myself, but unfortunately don't currently have a non-work machine to install the necessary editor software on & am not permitted to install any on my company laptop :-(

[speedyrite]

Fantastic work Aerialplug!


Seconded!

[aerialplug]

Having fairly recently got around to upgrading, first stop was to find some logo's.
Fantastic work Aerialplug!
Never managed to get loadlogos.tcl to work, but TW import did!

ITV Region Meridian now appears to be ITV South though - no biggy as I just changed the file name prefix from ITV1MER to ITV1STH & it associated but you may want to add it to your definitive Sky Logos file set.

Don't think me lazy, but would it be possible to also get logos for
"Crime and Investigation" (http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk - Sky 531 CRINVN) &
"Movies 24" (http://www.tvmovies24.com - Sky 329 HLMKMOV)?

I would be willing to attempt it myself, but unfortunately don't currently have a non-work machine to install the necessary editor software on & am not permitted to install any on my company laptop :-(

Aaah - so that's why ITV no longer has a logo - I noticed yesterday that all ITV logos (all one of them in my Now Showing!) had disappeared and assumed that it was a normal logo disappearance - though the ITV1STH callsign did seem unusual.


The new logos look good for drawing - I'll have a bash at them later on this evening when I've cleaned the paint brushes and gotten paint out of my hair!

I currently don't have a work machine to draw them on as I finished working for my current employer last week. Currently between jobs and have little time to myself at the moment with a house move from Kent to South Wales pending in a couple of weeks.

[aerialplug]

Okey, here are the two requested logos.

They'll appear in the next distribution along with the renamed Meridian in a download soon to be available on a web browser near you...

[SPR]

Thank you very much!

Good luck with the move & hope you manage to get broadband relatively quickly when you get there. Took me about 4 months when I moved :eek:

[aerialplug]

Well, I know a few people who use my ISP (Demon) on the exchange I'll be (temporarily) relocating to and in theory it should take 10-12 days according to Demon. They've also already udated to the 8Mb speed with all the unwelcome "fair use" that comes with that too.


2 weeks.

Yeah... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

[dlmcmurr]

Hey aerialplug,

Have you ever made a logo for the u.s. channel "sleuth"? It's one of the channels I watch a lot and would look nice in my channel lineup. I've attached their official logo as a jpg to serve as a starting point if you need it.

Also, what about "i"? I can't seem to find one of those either, but would have expected one of those to already exist.

Thanks,
Dave
Hope the move goes well for you. If you get a chance after things settle down sometime down the road, maybe you could zap out one of these?

Thanks,
Dave

[rondun]

And if you could add ESPN Classic (Sky 442 - ESPCLUK) to the list if you do manage to find some spare time I'd be most grateful.
Might prevent me from repeating the mistake of deleting the current F1 grand prix instead of one from 1978!

Cheers,
Ron

(image attached)

[aerialplug]

For all logo fans - I'm just about settled in my new location/job - I'll get round to looking into the new requests in the next day or so.

In the mean time, here's a picture from my estate agent's entry for my old house:

http://www.homes-on-line.com/kent/hicks.472/pics/a472_9631.jpg

Pray tell... what is that silver box 'neath the telly I wonder?

One thing's for sure - it's not there now - it's down here in Wales and there's a broken VCR there now along with a broken TV - people viewing the property are hardly going there to watch TV so it's just there for effect, like the plastic shells they have for TVs and computers in IKEA!

Also, anyone who knows me will vouch that this is BY FAR the cleanest and neatest the living room has EVER been in the 10 years I lived there! As one friend said agog when seeing the picture: "Where did all the STUFF go?".

(appologies for anyone viewing this in the archive - if the picture of the living room doesn't appear the house was sold and the image removed from the estate agen'ts web site)

[dlmcmurr]

Hey, take your time, at least on the one I asked fo. You've got more important things to worry about than doing free work for others. I moved over three years ago and still haven't unpacked some stuff ;)

Dave

[kitschcamp]

And he is moving country - I know how stressful that is! ;)

[aerialplug]

And he is moving country - I know how stressful that is! ;)

I'll be honest - it's a bit more of a culture shock than I expected since I grew up and went to uni in Wales. I've even got an O' Level in welsh!!

But I've since lived near London now for 13 years.

I now live near, and work in a town called Llanelli - where about 50% of the population speak Welsh. In fact, it's one of the few places in Wales where you can walk down the street and hear as much Welsh being spoken as English and are almost as likely to be greeted in shops as a stranger in Welsh as in English.

Further, the media company I've moved to work in as a Shockwave developer (something else I've not done before) is routed in a production company that made (and still does) Welsh TV programmes including a twice daily live chat show on S4C. In this company well over 50% speak Welsh (I'd estimate 75-80%) and is the language used for most conversations including many business conversations unless there's an English speaker in the group.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a welsh speaker and I love the Welsh language - but having spoken it very little apart from with family over the last 15 or so years, THAT is serious culture shock!

Sadly, I'm also discovering the myth of house prices being cheaper in Wales (especially around Swansea, Cardiff and Llanelli) being significantly less than the South East is also not quite true. 6 months ago maybe, but not today...

It could take a couple more weeks than I expected to acclimatise...

I must be getting there slowly though - I nearly bought a Welsh rugby shirt today, and I haven't participated in that peticular sport since I was 14 years old...

Also, for some reason, my employer won't allow me to draw logos on comany time - how unreasnable is that? :D ;)

[bobbymobile]

Hi, Is it to early for Five Life/US logos yet?

[aerialplug]

ooh - new BBC ONE (or now should it be BBC one?) logo!!

I must get my skates on!

Apologies for those waiting for logos - they were most drawn just before my house move but were on a USB dongle that's been put into storage by mistake. I go to collect stuff on the 23rd but I'll try to get round to doing something before then.

In the mean time... does anyone know if there are any more changes on the cards both on the BBC and outside? Unfortunately I'm now out of the loop with regards to changes in the BBC (not that staff were told much in advance anyway!).

[aerialplug]

Okey, here it is - the new BBC One logo. I've tested it and I think it looks good. The first attempt had a bit of twitter in the BBC logo on the S2 logo but I've managed to antialias it a little better - this one's important to get right as it's going to be the most shown for many people.

This is the highest profile logo change to date since I've been maintaining this list and needs all the regionals to change in the full distribution too - which I'll release in a couple of days.

In the mean time, any new UK channel logos to add/modify to the Sky/Freeview distros?

I'll probably do a release on Thursday or Friday evening with this and any other UK changes in them.

Sorry to our transatlantic friends - I promise to get onto those logos in the very near future, now that I'm settling down here in Wales (though with my house in Kent's sale already agreed with a very near completion date in mind and offers already accepted on a house down here it's still relatively frantic, not to mention EXPENSIVE, though at the same time exciting at the moment!!).

When was this logo sneaked in? I imagine it was probably 6pm yesterday. The only recording I have on the disk from yesterday started after the idents.

[dogsbody]

In the mean time, any new UK channel logos to add/modify to the Sky/Freeview distros?
Does that include cable!? :)

Not that it really matters to me but for the sake of completeness this is what I am missing :)

BLISS - Bliss
SPDAU - Speed Auction TV
THANE - Thane Direct
STPSHP - Thane Direct: Stop and Shop
ALPHPUN - Alpha Punjabi
ITV1STH - ITV1 (South)
HEART - Heart FM
GALRAD - Galaxy Radio
ARROW - Arrow Rock
CORE - Core
CHILL - The Storm
FUNRAD - FUN Radio
TLKSPRT - talkSPORT
CAPRAD - Capital FM
CAPGOLD - Capital Gold
CENTURY - Century
XFM - XFM

I did notice there was a TLKSPT in your pack, should this be TLKSPRT?
And I guess ITV1STH can just be another copy of any of the ITV1 logos?
Actually, it would be quite nice to have HEART, XFM, CAPRAD & CAPGOLD if you have a spare few moments :)

Thanks again for a great service :-)

[aerialplug]

I've concentrated on telly with an attempt to keep some of the more popular radio stations up to date so I'll look at the TV logos with due haste.

ITV1STH is already renamed in my provisional next release as that was my last [and as far as Sky are concerned current until I really move to my next owned property or I have to relinqush Royal Mail address forwarding] my "current" ITV region.

XFM - I've rendered this one at least twice, but for some reason I've also lost it twice before a release!

One other point - many of these channels don't have published schedules for TiVo - I don't really know why anyone would ever need a logo for these. But then, I never set time based recordings, nor seen the need to personally, which I guess is what you'd have to do for these channels.

Oh - and Sky=cable as far as the logo releases are concerned as they almost always have the same callsigns.

[Benedict]

Emap have new logos for....

Kiss (http://www.emap.com/images/smlimg/Kiss_newlogo_2006.jpg)

Magic (http://www.emap.com/images/original/magicnoloz.gif)

The Hits (http://www.emap.com/images/original/The-Hits-Purple-Illus-EPS-L.gif)

[aerialplug]

Okey...

New logo set now on-line at http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos

Many additions and some changes as outlined on the web page.

I'm sorry about being a bit tardy in getting them published tonight - I got caught up watching several episodes of Veronica Mars on an imported DVD box set tonight (and if you don't know what I'm talking about, and you like a series like Lost with carefully plotted back plots with well written individual episodes... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412253/ is the one for you!)

enjoy da logos - and please let me know the inevitable errors that have crept in!

'pluggy

[dogsbody]

Nice work!! Every channel I have now has a logo! :-)

A couple of typos in your file names though which means they didn't get picked up first time...
CENTURY-s2--p2.png
KISSFM-s2--p2.png
MAGIC-s2--p2.png
XFM-s2--p2.png
...which have two dashes instead of one!

Thanks again :-)

[aerialplug]

OK, I'll fix the filenames later on today. The '-' character is quite hard to read on my laptop screen.

[rondun]

Pretty please! :) And if you could add ESPN Classic (Sky 442 - ESPCLUK) to the list if you do manage to find some spare time I'd be most grateful.
Might prevent me from repeating the mistake of deleting the current F1 grand prix instead of one from 1978!

Cheers,
Ron

(image attached)(unless of course I have been a complete idiot and downloaded the old Sky logo set by mistake, and thus couldn't find it, in which case please accept my humble apologies and many thanks and please feel free to hurl abuse in my direction as long as it takes to make you feel better!)

[The Obo]

Hi, Is it to early for Five Life/US logos yet?

The stations are online now - any logos available?

[AMc]

Just a quick thanks - my logos disappeared a while back. I've only done them once before so I figured I'd look into it when I got some time. Well thanks to an unexpected redundancy I had time to apply the new logos this morning. Now Playing looks very colourful again.

[aerialplug]

The stations are online now - any logos available?

I'll add these two to the filename fixed version this evening.

[aerialplug]

Ok, the above requests and corrections have been made - the logos are inthe usual place (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos).

[Pete77]

Ok, the above requests and corrections have been made - the logos are inthe usual place (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos).

Many thanks for the logo additions (especially the alternatives for More4 which actually seem to be the mainstream ones as far as the Freeview EPG is concerned) including bizarrely I see Info Tv which I would not necessarily expect to find supported at all.

On Sky reasonably mainstream Freesat channels that are still missing are:-

165 Bonanza (all those 1950s to 70s classics)
322 Zone Thriller
325 Movies4Men

Also 321 Zone Horror now has an out of date non Zone logo.

However unfortunately at present Tribune are not providing EPG data for 165, 322 or 325 so I suppose you could argue that Logos for these are not especially essential or valuable. But that hasn't stopped you providing logos for Eat Cinema, Actionmax, Info Tv and various other non Tribune/Tivo EPG supported Sky channels.....

Something really needs to be done with Tribune/Tivo about Zone Thriller which is run by the same company as both Zone Horror and the three Zone Realities (all of which have Tivo EPG data) and which Tribine doesn't really have a leg to stand on over not supporting other than it clearly doesn't want to bother to support any more secondary Sky channels that it thinks get away with. I just don't believe that Zone will not supply the Thriller channel listings but will supply them for Horror and Reality. Me thinks they have never been asked to supply them by Tribine since the channel was launched a few months ago. :eek:

[Pete77]

To my surprise I find that Five US and Five Life have now appeared and are broadcasting on Sky on Channel Numbers 207 and 209 (suggesting there is a further new channel from Five still to come on 208) on a Free to View basis. That is they require a Freesat viewing card or an unsubscribed former Sky Digital viewing card as per C4 and Five but do not require a Sky subscription.

This is hard to make much sense of when C4 agreed to let Sky make E4 and More4 subscription channels in the Sky basic Entertainment Mix and yet they are free on Freeview. Yet Film Four is being broadcast completely Free to View on Sky/Digital Satellite and does not even require a current viewing card (meaning those with non Sky sat boxes can also get it). Surely it has to be only a matter of time before E4 and More4 change to Free to View or Free to Air on Sky/Freesat?

Do Five perhaps recognise that the content of Five US and Five Life is currently so unappealing that only Sky Freesat viewers are likely to watch them.

Amazingly enough Tribune have come up with EPG data for these two channels so it seems a pity that it still seems beyond them for Zone Thriller, Eat Cinema, TrueMovies 1 & 2, Movies4Men, Bonanaza and various other recently added FTA Sky Freesat channels showing proper programs rather than shopping channels or quiz tv that nobody wants or needs EPG data for.

[lcsneil]

[Sorry slightly off topic but....]

I think you will find it is all to do with contractural relationships between ITV/C4 and Five with Sky over encryption provision.

Basically the contratcs to provide encryption were negotiated a while ago and were no doubt for something like 5 years. However, the BBC upset the applecart or provided the viewer with more choice depending on how you look at it by going free to air and changing transponder to reduce the footprint to (in theory) only the UK.

The other 3 were still in contract and until that contract expires aren't in a position (or arent prepared to pay) to get out of the contract or swap transponders.

Neil

[aerialplug]

Ok, here are the new zone channel logos - Thriller, Horror and also Reality & Reality Extra. As well as the Zone channels, in this zip file you'll also find Bonanza Bonanza and Movies4Men.

They'll be added to the web version soon.

[rondun]

Ok, the above requests and corrections have been made - the logos are inthe usual place.
Hero - all my gaps are now filled!
Its like I just completed my old world cup sticker album!
Many thanks.

PS - couple of typo's in the new files, ESPN, Five US etc:
double-- instead of -

[Pete77]

Ok, here are the new zone channel logos - Thriller, Horror and also Reality & Reality Extra. As well as the Zone channels, in this zip file you'll also find Bonanza Bonanza and Movies4Men.

They'll be added to the web version soon.

You are a star Aerialplug. I'm glad you don't seem to have hit the same problems sourcing logos for some of these channels that Tribune claim to have had with these channels in getting hold of their EPG data. ;)

Ideally I really think Tivo ought to support an EPG for any channel on the Sky EPG from 101 to 629 all of which seem to be real channels with programs one can watch, although some of them now unfortunately time share with Shopping or Quiz channels content for parts of the day. However I thihk most of us would shut up if Tribune would add the EPG for Bonanza, Eat Cinema, Zone Thriller, TrueMovies 1+2 and Movies4Men 1+2. As a minimum at least Bonanza, Zone Thriller and the two TrueMovies channels should be supported as all have a good number of reasonably mainstream programs.

[aerialplug]

D'oh - I thought I'd spotted all the '--' filenames but obviously a couple have slipped through. Will fix soon.

You are a star Aerialplug. I'm glad you don't seem to have hit the same problems sourcing logos for some of these channels that Tribune claim to have had with these channels in getting hold of their EPG data. ;)


Some were quite tricky to source with virtually no internet presence. Bonanza Bonanza for example is an offscreen photo taken with my camera of their continuity screen. I've no idea if this is their actual official logo but it's good enough for me!

Speaking of Bonanza Bonanza, how on earth are we expected to know what their schedule is of there's no guide information being published. No news paper I've seen has their schedule, nor have I seen it in TV guides. I think it's on the Sky guide but that's the worst "programme planner" I've ever seein - it's hideous. I assumed it was a channel to show Bonanza the series as, on the only time I tuned into it previously, that's what was showing!

As to sourcing EPG data - this isn't a trivial process - I've had some experience in this in my previous job. Getting the title and synopsis is relatively straight forward but many electronic EPG sources still don't provide series information and hats off to Tribune for what they do.

[Pete77]

As to sourcing EPG data - this isn't a trivial process - I've had some experience in this in my previous job. Getting the title and synopsis is relatively straight forward but many electronic EPG sources still don't provide series information and hats off to Tribune for what they do.

OK I suppose it isn't obvious to me what is involved and its clear Tribune have no trouble getting data for new channels launched by an established supplier like Five with their new Five US and Five Life channels.

It does seems a bit of a mystery about Zone Thriller though as the channel was only launched after Zone took over the Horror channel and its channel number is right next to Zone Horror. I fear that the lack of data on this one probably does result from a failure by Tribune to ask if Zone if they can also provide the EPG data for Zone Thriller too.

Bonanza does have full listings in the Sky EPG (which I would never normally use except when I find a fault in Tribune's listings) and programs are not just Bonanza but are programs of that 50s/60s era and genre including The Lone Ranger, The Beverly Hillbillies, Dragnet and Popeye but strangely also The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. There is of course quite a lot of Bonanza............

And unfortunately due to the disgracefully lax regulation that is favoured by Ofcom some of their viewing time is now given over to scam prize 09 premium line shows. Of course if Ofcom would ban these activities then all these channels would have to revert to showing real programs with advertising. Still one can hardly complain about someone like Bonanza showing this stuff when ITV1 and C5 now both show this garbage for several hours a day.

[tivo_boj]

Getting this using loadlogos.tcl. Anybody got any advice?

Bash /var/hack #loadlogos.tcl /var/logos
Initialising logo list
Initialising channel list
object not found (errNmNameNotFound)

while executing
"mfs find $guideindexdir/ChannelTable"
("uplevel" body line 2)
invoked from within
"uplevel $body"
invoked from within
"transaction {uplevel $body}"
(procedure "RetryTransaction" line 5)
invoked from within
"RetryTransaction {
set channeltablefsid [lindex [mfs find $guideindexdir/ChannelTable] 0]
set channeltabledata [mfs get $channeltablefsid]
}"
(procedure "init_channelindex" line 55)
invoked from within
"init_channelindex"
(file "/var/hack/loadlogos.tcl" line 582)
Bash /var/hack #
Bash /var/hack #

[aerialplug]

How are you uploading the logos to the TiVo? Could FTP be uploading them in non-binary mode? This would corrupt the files and may cause the above errors.

Personally, I upload the logos one at a time ensuring that the FTP client is in binary mode. This takes a really long time, but I only have to do a full load quite rarely.

[AMc]

I just type 'binary' in the Windows command prompt FTP program.
Then 'prompt' so it doesn't ask questions
and finally 'mput *.png'
Works for me :)

[thechachman]

and if in addition to binary then prompt you also type hash before doing the mput, you'll get a nice little progressbar too :)

[AMc]

Cool - I wonder if I can actually remember that.
Every time I do multiple FTP I remember mput but have to google for how to stop the prompts!

[LJ]

If you're using Windoze you can get the standard ftp.exe to run a script when you start it. I've got a shortcut:

%windir%\System32\ftp.exe -n -s:"C:\Documents and Settings\LJ\My Documents\tivo\ftpconnect.txt" tivo

ftpconnect.txt contains:bin
prompt
cd /var/hack/

[rondun]

I've got another request for the next Sky distribution (sorry!):

Crime & Investigation Network (gotta love those suggestions!)

ch 531 CRINVN

[dlmcmurr]

Hey A.P.,

I know you've been busy totally rearranging your life, but just wanted to make sure my request for Spike in post #754 above didn't get lost in the shuffle. Love your logos and appreciate your work!!

Thanks,
Dave

[aerialplug]

looks like many of the logos have reset during last night's download. Not all, but quite a few have either gone blank or reverted to their old default on my screen.

This hasn't happened for quite some time now. Time for a reload.

[Pete77]

looks like many of the logos have reset during last night's download. Not all, but quite a few have either gone blank or reverted to their old default on my screen.

This hasn't happened for quite some time now. Time for a reload.

Have you never got to the bottom of what it is that Tivo/Tribune do that causes the links to the logo images to break? It has been a long time I have to say since this last happened.

[jonphil]

I found the same happened to me. The other day ABC1 disappeared, but today loads of Icons had gone. Didn't take long to get them back but it's a little irritating. Oh well suppose they are not supporting logo's we have loaded in ourselves :)

[aerialplug]

I don't know exactly what they do - but there's something in a daily load that can toggle some or all of the logos back to their initial state. This means either no logo or the old BBC Only and antique Sky logo that was current when the software was last updated. I found that just running loadlogos again will bring them back - on my setup I need to do a reboot before they reappear, but for some people just running loadlogos is enough (I can't figure out why this is the case).

[Pete77]

I don't know exactly what they do - but there's something in a daily load that can toggle some or all of the logos back to their initial state. This means either no logo or the old BBC Only and antique Sky logo that was current when the software was last updated. I found that just running loadlogos again will bring them back - on my setup I need to do a reboot before they reappear, but for some people just running loadlogos is enough (I can't figure out why this is the case).

I found all the colourful Aerialplug BBC ones and ITV ones and most others on the Tivo itself had gone yesterday and were either blank or replaced by the boring BBC and E4 defaults (although a TrueMovies recording was still stubbornly correctly showing its logo despite definitely not having ever had one in the original default set) but on entering the Logos module in TivoWeb it still had the old Associations listed and as being totally complete.

However after rebooting the Tivo I then found TivoWeb's Logos module showed the correct state of the logos and running Associate Logos relinked about 10 or more channels that were disconnected including bizarrely the Audi channel and one or two others that are very obscure and I can't see why it knows how to Associate. Yet Associate Logos did not do the trick for BBC2, ITV Three or BBC News24, Sky News or Movies4Men2 amongst various others (even though Movies4Men 1 was still associated with the logo you kindly recently provided). Bizarrely ITV Three +1 was also auto reassociated with its logo by Associate Logos or by the reboot (not sure which) and yet ITV Three itself was not. Associate Logos also didn't do it for Five Life and Five US but did work for Five itself.

I then completed the process by hand associating one by one the 10 or so channels that Associate Logos had not rebuilt the links for. Doing a full reload of all the logos seemed unnecessarily complex and anyhow i had forgotten the name of the tco file you have to run that does it.

All very weird I must say and hard to understand exactly what is done to the database that breaks these links from time to time. Presumably it must come down in the daily file as it happens to all of us at the same time. I wonder if those using Freeview rather than Sky channels were also similalrly affected?

[aerialplug]

I think it's a generic problem - and it happens to everyone at around the same time.

[Pete77]

I think it's a generic problem - and it happens to everyone at around the same time.

But why can your Logos module auto Associate the logo for Audi Tv correctly but not for Sky News, BBC Two or ITV Three? :eek:

[Heuer]

But why can your Logos module auto Associate the logo for Audi Tv correctly but not for Sky News, BBC Two or ITV Three? :eek:

I had a few instances of this. I overcame it by renaming the .png files accordingly:

e.g. ITVThree became ITV3, Film41 became Film4 and there were typos in FiveUs and FiveLF (double hyphens).

Having done that the associations worked fine using loadlogos.tcl. Usefully this gives a list of logos that were succesful and failed.

[Pete77]

I had a few instances of this. I overcame it by renaming the .png files accordingly:

e.g. ITVThree became ITV3, Film41 became Film4 and there were typos in FiveUs and FiveLF (double hyphens).

Having done that the associations worked fine using loadlogos.tcl. Usefully this gives a list of logos that were succesful and failed.

Thanks for that explanation. I suppose it had to be a mechanical and not human matching process issue in view of it working for something as obscure as Movies4Men but not for BBC Two or ITV Three.

[aerialplug]

I'll fix these asap - a couple of channels have had their callsigns renamed and so no longer associate properly - and as mentioned, there are a couple of typos. I didn't spot these when checking as I've already corrected the typos on my online version.

There may be a slight delay as I currently don't have broadband in my new house and this could take a week or so.

[Gavin]

Hi

Can you do one for Movies 24

(http://www.tvmovies24.com/)

No rush as it seems to be mainly pap, but for completeness....

[aerialplug]

Will do. Any new requests or logos that have changed while I'm at it?

I've spotted a couple of +1 channels that have appeared since my last distribution that aren't mapped.

[dlmcmurr]

Hope you got your broadband up now. When I moved a few years ago, I went from cable broadband to dialup for almost two years. It was the pits.

I had a request in to you, posted in message #754 above, whenever you have the time, no rush.

Cheers,
Dave

[dogsbody]

Here's my report sir! :)

One channel code change, ITVTHREE is now ITV3

FIVEUS and FIVELIF have still got two dashes in the filename which means they don't automatically match.

No logo for...
MTVFLUX - MTV Flux
MOVIE24 - movies 24
DISCHP1 - Disney Channel +1
BOOMRP1 - Boomerang (Plus 1 Hour)
GEMSTV - Gems TV
GEMSTV2 - Gems TV2
TV5EU - TV5MONDE Europe
BBCRSMW - BBC Radio Scotland MW

Logo's with pink backgrounds (not really important but I like to be complete!)
magic-tw-s1-p1.png
filmfour-s2-p2.png
cbbc-tw-s1-p1.png
capgold-tw-s1-p1.png
kissfm-tw-s1-p1.png
xfm-tw-s1-p1.png

Thanks aerialplug :D

[...coolstream]

Hi,

For completeness, CRINVN Crime & Investigation Network would be welcome.

[hornist]

No logo for...
MTVFLUX - MTV Flux
MOVIE24 - movies 24
DISCHP1 - Disney Channel +1
BOOMRP1 - Boomerang (Plus 1 Hour)
GEMSTV - Gems TV
GEMSTV2 - Gems TV2
TV5EU - TV5MONDE Europe
BBCRSMW - BBC Radio Scotland MW


I created one for TV5EU and posted it further up this thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=3691124&highlight=TV5#post3691124). It's a standard part of Telewest's Supreme package. Feel free to include it in the distribution.

Paul

[aerialplug]

Allrightey.

A new version of the logo set is now on theweb site (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos).

Wot I did: Corrected file name issue with Five Life and five US. Added, MTV Flux, Movies 24, Disney Channel +1, Boomerang (Plus 1 Hour), Gems TV, Gems TV2, TV5MONDE Europe, BBC Radio Scotland MW and Crime and Investigation Network.

[dogsbody]

HOUSE! or is it BINGO! I now have every logo :)

Thanks again aerialplug

[...coolstream]

Once again, thanks for all your time and effort!

[Pete77]

Allrightey.

A new version of the logo set is now on theweb site (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos).

Wot I did: Corrected file name issue with Five Life and five US. Added, MTV Flux, Movies 24, Disney Channel +1, Boomerang (Plus 1 Hour), Gems TV, Gems TV2, TV5MONDE Europe, BBC Radio Scotland MW and Crime and Investigation Network.

I think you have probably now covered everything that Tivo currently provides a proper EPG for and that we might therefore actually be likely to record.

However two new 24 hour news channels that have appeared on the Sky platform which do not have an EPG but that I personally watch some of live are 514 Al Jazeerah - English Service and 515 - France 24 (English speaking by the way). If TV5MONDE can have a logo then why not France 24? And that's before we even consider 137 Life Tv, 138 Life 24 and 139 Life Showcase which do show non shopping programs in the evening. And how about 146 Sumo Tv and 182 Russia Today, 183 Passion Tv and 193 Rapture Tv? And what of 215 Legal Tv (for Crown Court fans) and 217 Fame Tv?

To be honest I wouldn't be too worried though, unless you have time on your hands, since as I say these channels have no EPG listings and it seems clear that the current Tribune policy is to avoid providing an EPG for any channels from brand new broadcasters, unless they are placed under a lot of pressure to do.

[aerialplug]

I know this mainly only affects those of us in Wales and those wanting complete logo lineups for Sky Digital, but the branding police have been very busy over on S4C today.

Everything has changed including the graphics on some of the flagship programmes such as Wedi3 & Wedi7.

Anyway, we all know what this means to the old TiVo: the logo has completely changed.

I think the style police have been trying a bit too hard here too because I really don't get the new logo at all! It's now written thus: S4/C. I fail to understand the significance of the '/' and can only assume that the C is emboldened to emphasize it's Wales' channel 4 and not England.

With the rebrand all the inter programme idents have changed too - a pretty major brand shakeup in all.

Logos are attached and will be in the next distribution (if I remember to copy them over!) - if you just want to see what it looks like, you can see a version here (http://s4c.co.uk) on the new S4C web site.

[Cainam]

Aerialplug,

Please could you could fix one thing in your next distribution with the Trouble logo (if it not too much Trouble. ha ha)

There is no such thing as Trouble Reload anymore (TRBLERE), it has become Trouble +1 (TRBLEP1) instead.

Not a big deal to change the name each time, but thought I would report it anyway :)

The latest logo can be see here (http://www.trouble.co.uk/) , but it has not really changed much.

TIA!

[PhilG]

I've been meqaning to ask this for some time, so here goes

Normally, when there's a new ogo distribution out, I unzip them all on my pc, and FTP them (one at a time) to my Tivo

This is now taking AGES

I'd appreciate an idiots guide to creating a Tivo-friendly package on Windows that I can then FTP as one lump and then unpackage on the Tivo

Anyone?

Thanks

[goodisonboy]

Phil,


I'd appreciate an idiots guide to creating a Tivo-friendly package on Windows that I can then FTP as one lump and then unpackage on the Tivo


you don't need to unzip them onto your pc, copy the full zip over and make sure you have unzip on your tivo, you can get it from: http://tivoutils.sourceforge.net/

then put this in /var/hack/bin

Mark

[aerialplug]

It is possible to do the unzip on the TiVo. Last week, I installed unzip on my TiVo for this precise reason as it was taking something like half an hour to upload the logos. See above post.

I think I'll add this to the "how to" page when I've got a spare minute.

[PhilG]

Hmm

For some reason I don't have write access to /var/hack/bin so I put unzip.gz in /har/hack/logos but when I type /var/hack/logos/unzip (or unziup.gz) I get "No such file or directory"

Do I need to do one of those CHMOD thingies??

[PhilG]

Doh!

It's not CALLED unzip, it's called unzip-s1

All is now FINE

Thanks

[Pete77]

I must be odd but I just use the load logos module in TivoWeb to load up any new or modified logos and then use the Associate option to reconnect them all. Then the small number that are not Associated I link up one by one.

I only have to do this when there are new channels I watch or when all the logo associations get scrambled following one of Tivo's reworkings (or whatever it is) of the database that disconnects all the associated logos.

[PhilG]

It's just easier to let Tivo do them ALL once in a while (especially as it has a habit of dropping them now and then anyway!)

[yungee]

Any clues on this one?

I appear to have no logos on the Tivo whatsoever.

When running the "loadlogos.tcl" script I get the following output (trucated to show the pertinent bit - I hope)

bash-2.02# ./loadlogos.tcl /var/hack/logos
Initialising logo list
Initialising channel list
Processing /var/hack/logos/CRINVN-s1-p1.png
Detected Type 1 Palette/Size Format fro crinvn-s1-p1.png
Overwriting Existing Image for crinvn-s1-p1.png
Successfully Imported Image crinvn-s1-p1.png
can't open object (errDbNotFound)

while executing
"db $db open "/LogoGroup/$lspace:$type:$type""

On TivoWeb 1.9.4, I go to the logo page and just get:

Sorry, Your Logo DataSet is Empty

Any advice appreciated.

[yungee]

To answer my own post, I found a script to populate the database in "the other place".

I had to hack it around a little to make it work (the ntpdate stuff ... if anyone else has the same problem I can post the fix), but it created the database and made a few mismatching logos (Because it's for the American lineup).

However, this was enough to give sanderton's script enough to get it's teeth into, and it's now populating with the UK logos.

Thanks for the script sanderton, and thanks for the logos aerialplug ... all the stuff available from / for the Tivo community is great! :up:

[aerialplug]

I know this mainly only affects those of us in Wales and those wanting complete logo lineups for Sky Digital, but the branding police have been very busy over on S4C today.

Although the rebranding is still taking a little to get used to, it had one major advantage - they removed the S4C DOG!! Another DOG free channel. As if you'd confuse the UK's only welsh language channel with any other... :rolleyes:

[aerialplug]

A (slightly) new logo for BBC Two coming up. The TWO is slightly smaller but bolder - and although the colour is still purple, it's now much darker and a closer match when using the TiVo colour pallette.

Along with the new logo comes with a completely new set of idents, going back to the style used in the late 1990s; they look promising.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a42695/bbc-two-gets-new-on-screen-look.html

I'l get a proper set rendered soon enough, but attached my first stab.

[Pete77]

This change seems a trifle pedantic to me aerialplug, although I agree undoubtedly correct in technical terms.

However if you are now in logo update mode could we also have some logos for Al Jazeerah English version, France 24 and Russia Today? All in the 500s news section. Ch 514, 515 and 516 respectively. And how about Legal Tv on Ch215 and Fame Tv on Ch217. Or the Baby Channel (285 ) or Overseas Property (287).

I know there are in fact loads of obscure Sky channels but these ones are probably all reasonably mainstream and get a tolerable audience, even if the boys at Tribune have not yet seen fit to add them to their EPG listings. :eek:

[JonnyD]

Hi Yungee

Can you post the fix for the empty Logo database, my second unsubbed Tivo wont let me load any Logos.

Cheers

[Benedict]

However if you are now in logo update mode could we also have some logos for ..... the Baby Channel (285 )Think there already is a baby channel logo - at least there is on my TiVo!

[lcsneil]

A (slightly) new logo for BBC Two coming up. ........

Along with the new logo comes with a completely new set of idents, going back to the style used in the late 1990s; they look promising.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a42695/bbc-two-gets-new-on-screen-look.html



So they've taken the Life on Mars theme through to the BBC2 idents then? :D

Did you get £700k for that logo update as well aerialplug? ;)

Neil

[Pete77]

So they've taken the Life on Mars theme through to the BBC2 idents then? :D

Did you get £700k for that logo update as well aerialplug? ;)

Neil

Does aerialplug design these logos for a living then? That would explain him being so keen to give us the new but hardly any different BBC Two one. ;) :p

[pmk]

Hi Yungee
Can you post the fix for the empty Logo database, my second unsubbed Tivo wont let me load any Logos.
CheersI had a similar problem a couple of years back but I can't remember what the fix was. I know I ended up searching on Google and doing the same today does come back with some fixes.

try Google search for:
tivo logo dataset empty
and see if that helps.

I can remember messing with slice files but that did not seem to work, I did *not* rerun any TiVo setup to fix mine. I seem to recall rebooting your TiVo was important after each attempt (the slice method might have worked but I did not reboot straight away so I did not know what had fixed the machine). Might have been something to do with running deletelogos.tcl which is part of the logo package?

I would be careful what you try as you may end up losing all saved programmes /settings and having to reimage the hard disk etc. I wanted my logos back so much I was prepared to do this on my machine if my tinkering broke anything.

[aerialplug]

Does aerialplug design these logos for a living then? That would explain him being so keen to give us the new but hardly any different BBC Two one. ;) :p

Not any more ;)

Bizarely, it did start off as work as It started as a project to provide small logos for all BBC channels for an internal project and I then developed that into the TiVo logos.

I agree that there's hardly any change with regard to the TWO logo (as opposed to when One changed last year), but I try to keep all the mainstream channels relatively up to date on my TiVo. It can be slightly annoying - A few years ago I did the entire UK channels only to find out a day or so later that they'd annouced a complete revamp!

[aerialplug]

So they've taken the Life on Mars theme through to the BBC2 idents then? :D


If you really want to go retro, try out some of the retro logos found in a subdirectory of the Sky logo set. BBC 1 globe, old 1980s BBC2, Thames TV etc.

[aerialplug]

Interesting. I've seen this happen a few times now but hadn't twigged what was going on.

Up until today, on the logos page you had the option to download the logos either as a zip file or as individual images (posted on a vast mosaic). A couple of times now I've found that viewing the mosaic not only means that the page doesn't complete loading, but also the entire site (including my Underground History web site) becomes unavailable for up to an hour.

It seems that downloading so many small files in such a short period of time, it looks like my web hosts are perceiving this as some form of attack and putting a temporary block on IP numbers that try to download the images.

So, I've removed them!

[jonphil]

Has anyone created a new LivingTV logo. I like the simpler and bolder new logo they are using now.

[aerialplug]

I'll try to get some time to do it soon.

[Pete77]

I'll try to get some time to do it soon.

Don't forget France 24 (English speaking news channel), Russia Today (English speaking news channel), Al Jazeerah English news channel, Baby Tv, Overseas Property Channel and Legal Tv (hours a day of Crown Court reruns). ;)

[aerialplug]

Baby's already there - I'll see what I can do about the others.

[PhilG]

You know, this is a really amazing set of logos - my Tivo looks MUCH nicer with them than without, I think it actually makes it easier to find programs

But (you knew there was a 'but' coming didnt you!) -

There're no logos for ITV2P1 (Sky 211) or ITV3P1 (Sky 213)

I didn't miss them until I load all the other logos, and now I get obvious gaps on Now Showing where these should be

No hurry, but if you ever found yourself with a spare few minutes......

Thanks again for such great work

[aerialplug]

These two are easy to do yourself. Just locate the ITV2 and ITV3 files and copy them. Rename the copiess to ITV2P1 and ITV3P1 and presto, you have the plus 1 channels with logos too.

[Pete77]

These two are easy to do yourself. Just locate the ITV2 and ITV3 files and copy them. Rename the copiess to ITV2P1 and ITV3P1 and presto, you have the plus 1 channels with logos too.

Or you can just manually link the ITV2 and ITV3 logos to these +1 channels as well using the logos module in Tivoweb. Of course I suppose that means needing to do it again the next time Tivo or Tribune do whatever they do to scramble the logo Associations. Your suggested solution is nearly a permanent solution althoough the Logos author adding these to his official set would be an even more permanent solution. ;) :D

[PhilG]

....... althoough the Logos author adding these to his official set would be an even more permanent solution. ;) :D

Well here they are then.....

[aerialplug]

Your suggested solution is nearly a permanent solution althoough the Logos author adding these to his official set would be an even more permanent solution. ;) :D

They'll be in the next set along with some of the suggestions made previously.

[Pete77]

They'll be in the next set along with some of the suggestions made previously.

Many thanks for this aerialplug.

However I see new logos are now needed for the following:-

528 Nat Geo Wild - is this a new channel or a rename

523 Discovery Turbo - formerly Discovery Wings

547 The Business Channel

[aerialplug]

Not just those - I've spotted a couple of other +1 channels in the lineup that don't have logos too.

I saw Wings didn't have a logo the other day and wondered what had happened. Now I know.

[Pete77]

Not just those - I've spotted a couple of other +1 channels in the lineup that don't have logos too.

I saw Wings didn't have a logo the other day and wondered what had happened. Now I know.

My recent dabblings with the Digiguide comparison module have also revealed to me that True Movies2 has a completely different logo from TrueMovies. At the moment the Tivo logo for both is the same.

[aerialplug]

Okey - first major update for months. Version 9.0 is live on theweb site (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos).

Most but not all requests are there (sorry dogsbody and a couple of others- I went through the entire process a couple of months ago and lost it all in a hard drive crash!) Requests still outstanding are pretty minor in comparison to most of the ones dealt with in this version but will be added shortly.

One of these changes is a new logo set for the new Sky Movies package which is kinda ironic as the introduction of the new channel lineup has also introduced PIN protection during the day on all Sky Movies channels, thus fouling up TiVo operation (and me cancelling Sky Movies in protest) but hey ho, it also got me into the mood of logo rendering once again!

Although I've spent 5 hours today on this (which also shows how much I try to avoid garden work, which was what I was supposed to be doing this afternoon ;) ), I still consider it a rush job and won't be at all offended by people letting me know where I've made mistakes (which I suspect may be numerous!)

Anyway, enjoy. I haven't been able to test some of them yet as TiVo's been busy all evening - I'll be uploading later on once TiVo decides it's available.

[healeydave]

Quick question, its been a while since I applied so I must be massively out-of-date.

If I'm running Dual Source, Freeview + Satellite, do I apply both v.9 packages?

Regs
Dave.

[aerialplug]

Errr... good question. I think Sky covers everything at the moment and if it doesn't I'll include Freeview only logos in the Sky package.

On reflection there are a couple of timeshare channels that are only on Freeview IIRC so apply both if you want full coverage.

On more reflection, these are Topup channels which to be honest I haven't been keeping up with so I think you're allright with just the Sky set. If you see any blanks in the next few days, feel free to post!

And since the last time I published a logo set was in January, you're probably not as out of date as you thought :)

[aerialplug]

I know that the logos are only used by a small percentage of the TiVo users on this forum - and this is only going to affect a small portion of those that do, but there were two logos omitted from the last release that affect Welsh tivo users.

FIrstly, there's the new S4C (or now S4/C) logo which was posted some time back on the forum and also the logo for BBC2 Wales Digital, which has been substantially differentl from the normal BBC2 logo for some time now but it only dawned on me recently that if we wanted t truly represent the channel logos, it's worth representing it correctly.

The 2WD is also very useful for me as much of the 2WD contant is specific to Wales. I try to book season passes for these Wales only programmes (mostly about hill walking and general interest programmes about the countryside) on 2WD and more general stuff on BBC2 which is also available on the Sky platform. This way I get a better idea of the genre of what I've recorded. Of course, it doesn't stop TiVo from chosing generic BBC2 material from 2WD as suggestions.

And, even better, the 2WD has a green background - none of that dreaded purple in sight!

I've added the 2WD logo here and will soon be putting that onto the web site release along with the S4C logo.

[Pete77]

I know that the logos are only used by a small percentage of the TiVo users on this forum - and this is only going to affect a small portion of those that do, but there were two logos omitted from the last release that affect Welsh tivo users.

About one sixtieth of forum members who regularly use your logos are obviously going to very much appreciate these changes. In fact I think an awfully large percentage of all forum members who have installed a network card and Tivoweb use your logos. Its just that the number of UK Tivo forum members is still a very small percentage of all UK Tivo owners.

I wonder if the number of Welsh Tivo residents and logo users belonging to the forum is more or less than the number of Tivo members who use the logos to regularly record stuff from the programs listings I managed to get Tribune to add for TrueMovies, TrueMovies 2 and Zone Thriller? :(

[aerialplug]

Actually, the 2W logo would be of use to Sky customers who are interested in programmes about Wales - 2W is pretty much all programmes about Wales during prime time.

[aerialplug]

Can someone who uses the kids channels help me out please? A long time ago I read on the Cartoon Network page that they were changing their logo. I rendered a version of the new logo to replace the "checkerboard" logo that they had been using in the past. The change was made on the American channel but the European version remained the same for a very long time after.

In a couple of releases the new logo (big C and N in boxes) was used but I've since changed it back to the old checkerboard one. I've now seen the newer logo in quite a few places (including a "DOG" logo throughout a short cartoon seen in the cinema which preceded the worst waste of celluloid I've ever seen (Zoom)) and was wondering if they've now rebranded here? If so, I'll swap the Cartoon Network logos from the deprecated folder , where the new logo has been for some time, in the next release.

[ColinYounger]

I'll see tonight what the Cartoon Network logo looks like, as my two boys watch it all the time. Not that I don't enjoy a shot of The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy now and again. :)

[ColinYounger]

Cartoon Network is now using the C and N boxes.

[cwaring]

Did anyone ever do logos for the 'five' digital channels; life and US?

[Pete77]

Did anyone ever do logos for the 'five' digital channels; life and US?

Yes they clearly did as I have them on my Tivo and have done for ages and remember adding them when AerialPlug launched them.

You should find them in the current set on Aerialplug's website.

I even checked and you will find them in his latest set downloadable from Post 851 above. Under the channel names Five-us and Five-life strangely enough. ;) :rolleyes:

See www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5044915&&#post5044915

[cwaring]

Thanks. I did actually search for threads and within this thread but either nothing or too many results were returned :)

[Pete77]

Thanks. I did actually search for threads and within this thread but either nothing or too many results were returned :)

Well at least now you are subscribed to this thread so hopefully you should be able to follow the progress of future logo additions by Aerialplug for channels you watch as they occur. ;) :up:

[cwaring]

Well at least now you are subscribed to this thread ...
Whatever gave you that idea? :confused: There you go with your assumptions again :)

I don't sub to any threads on here.

[Pete77]

Whatever gave you that idea? :confused: There you go with your assumptions again :)

I don't sub to any threads on here.

The fact that you then didn't know about the Five US and Five Life logo updates shows the foolishness of your decision not to be subscribed to this thread. Especially when you cannot even then manage to read to the top of the latest page of the thread when you do choose to look at it. :p

There are certain threads in the forum that any regular Tivoweb user ought to subscribe to and this is one of them.

My assumptions are based on the fact that I expect others to act rationally. I can't take into account the large number of humans who choose to act irrationally for whatever reasons.

[cwaring]

I think I'll treat that answer with the contempt it deserves and simply move on :rolleyes:

[Pete77]

I think I'll treat that answer with the contempt it deserves and simply move on :rolleyes:

You mean you would prefer to rely on those of us who do subscribe to these important threads to act as a free memory storage area for you. :p

I'm sorry but I just can't understand the mentality of someone who doesn't subsribe to a thread like the Logos or DailyMail one when they are bound to have an interest in most of its ongoing content and when update posts are not that frequent.

[Benedict]

I can't take into account the large number of humans who choose to act irrationally for whatever reasons.Irrationally from your perspective perhaps?

Ever thought that the reason the number of humans you refer to is so large is because the problem may not actually lie with them?

I'm sorry but I just can't understand the mentality of someone who doesn't subsribe............to your way of thinking perhaps?

Pete, I've watched the recent debates over your presence on the forum and your protestations whenever anything "anti-Pete" is posted but have refrained from posting my opinion thus far. Whilst I applaud your eagerness to assist others and the countless times you have offered help to TiVo newcomers I have to say that comments like those posted above lead me to believe that you bring much of this "anti-Pete" behavior on yourself.

In my view the sooner you accept that there are many people on this planet who do not view the world through the same pair of eyes as you and live according to your values, the easier I think you'll find it to get on with people. To imply that Carl is irrational or foolish because he does not subscribe to a thread serves no purpose that I can see other than to upset Carl. I too have TiVoWeb and a full set of logos, but choose not to subscribe to this or any other threads, not because I don't want to be kept up to date - I can do that without subscribing - but more because I don't want unecessary emails from the forum clogging up my inbox. Does that make me irrational or foolish?

Embrace the diversity that exists in people. Challenge it by all means, but do it in a way that is constructive, and be prepared to accept that others will disagree with your views from time to time, however right you believe them to be.

Not trying to fall out with you BTW. :)

[cwaring]

I only happened to notice that I don't have logos for 'us' and'life' because I happened to Tivo something from one of those channels the other day. Like Benedict, I have all the others.

[Pete77]

Benedict,

You make your points so reasonably and so persuasively that I know I will have to try to listen to them and try to embrace them.

Those who tell me simply that I should not exist and that they wish that a stone would fall from the sky and flatten me are really a lot less likely to influence my pattern of behaviour in the forum.

I think the key thing is to try to cut my total level of posting in the forum each week very considerably and that is the goal I am now going to try to set myself.

[Pete77]

I only happened to notice that I don't have logos for 'us' and'life' because I happened to Tivo something from one of those channels the other day. Like Benedict, I have all the others.

OK fair point Carl but had you been subscribed to the thread you would have noticed the logos when they came out.

The key thing is always to look in Aerialplug's latest set of logos to see if he has added it there by the name of the channel you are looking for a logo for.

[cwaring]

Indeed. Now bookmarked :)

[Pete77]

Indeed. Now bookmarked :)

Apologies for any earlier unfair criticism of you on my part. :o

[cwaring]

No problem. It's only written words, not a 2x4 to the head ;)

[aerialplug]

I've seen some new logos recently (e.g. Challenge TV's bubbly new one).

I messed up on the last logo distribution and missed out on some established ones - so any that have changed or were missed out, let me know, please for a new all encompassing zip file!

I have more time on my hands at the moment than I could possibly wish for, due to moving to live in Wales and promptly being made redundant due to the BBC illegally canceling a whole raft of contracts with the company I committed to moved to Wales for.

My previous job (the reason I moved to Wales in the first place) was also a BBC redundancy too. Bummer eh?

Note to self... don't sign any contracts that have the initials B.B.C. on it...

;)

Seriously though - new/modified logos for a new logo distribution please.

[Pete77]

I've seen some new logos recently (e.g. Challenge TV's bubbly new one).

I messed up on the last logo distribution and missed out on some established ones - so any that have changed or were missed out, let me know, please for a new all encompassing zip file!.

A few new FTA channels have appeared in the 150 to 250 range on Sky that do have program content. On the other hand Tribune has chosen not to support EPG data fro them so what good does a logo do unless us Tivo users decide to put up with using Manual Recording on such channels?

With respect to the jobs issue what about that post that Sky was advertising to help them make Sky+ in to a better and more robust product offering a wider range of facilities. ;)

[CirenTivo]

Aerialplug.

Have you considered doing the logos for the Setanta Sports Channels 1, 2 ,Ireland, Golf etc.

[chubbybrown]

Do you have one for Scottish TV
Blue blackground and big S
gets rid of Grampian forever <sob>

[...coolstream]

Do you have one for Scottish TV
Blue blackground and big S
gets rid of Grampian forever <sob>
the new stv logo is on page15 #745 of this thread :)

[aerialplug]

I'll look into incorporating these suggestions into a new release in the next few days.

[Benedict]

Another new one on the way in September for CBBC (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/programming/a71643/new-look-for-cbbc.html) (or should that be CBBCBBC?).

http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/07/33/160x120_bbc_cbbc_2007.jpg

[aerialplug]

Can someone confirm to me how the Setanta logos work? I have a Setanta Sports 1 and Setanta Sports 2 - but Lyngsat lists these as PPV (and only has one listed). However, the channels listed as Setanta Sports 1 and Setatna Sports 2 just have the generic Setanta Sports logo next to them.

A swift response would be appreciated so that I can correctly roll out a new logo distribution either tonight or tomorrow night.

[CirenTivo]

Can someone confirm to me how the Setanta logos work? I have a Setanta Sports 1 and Setanta Sports 2 - but Lyngsat lists these as PPV (and only has one listed). However, the channels listed as Setanta Sports 1 and Setatna Sports 2 just have the generic Setanta Sports logo next to them.

A swift response would be appreciated so that I can correctly roll out a new logo distribution either tonight or tomorrow night.

Aerialplug.

According to Lyngsat, If you check this page http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk.html

and check this area
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tp F1U

SR 27500
FEC 2/3

might give you an idea.

[aerialplug]

Yes, I'm aware of the Lyngsat page - it's the fact that Setana Sports 1 and Setana Sports 2 are given the same logo on their listing while PPV1 & PPV2 have a simple Setana Sports 1 & Setana Sports 2 logo (and there doesn't seem to be a PPV2 at the moment) - it just doesn't feel right, but if that's what they're currently broadcasting that's what they need to be allocated.

As I don't subscribe, I can't see first hand how the channels are presented.

Most changes have been applied now - I'll zip them up and put them onto the site either later on or tomorrow lunch time hopefully - then people can start finding mistakes and ones I've left out ;)

[aerialplug]

Well, release 9.2 is now available from the link in my .sig below.

Changes (well, at least some of them) are listed on the web site linked to - the reason they many not all be listed is that I started working on a previous release a while ago and never got round to publishing it so there's a mysterious release 9.1 and 9.1.1 that this release is built on that was on my desktop PC that I don't think has seen the light of day...

Anyway, I don't usually make +1 specific logos but I thought the Channel 4 +1 logo was quirky enough to make as it's so similar to the main logo. I've attached this to the post in case you don't want to download the entire logo set (it's the S2 logo I've given most effort to make look similar to the main logo).

No doubt I've made mistakes or omissions in this release - let me know and I'll try to rectify ASAP.

[mrtickle]

Great work as ever and very much appreciated!

I can't see what you've changed about the Film4+1 logo? The files are the same as the pair I have now. The filenames of the Film4 logo are FILM4 instead of FILMFOUR (I'm comparing with my last set- 8.5.3).

If you wanted a full set of Sky Movies logo there are two more channels - Sky Movies SD 1 and Sky Movies SD 2. These show SD-resolution broadcasts of whatever is being shown on the (previously-HD customers-only) HD film channels.

I'm having trouble importing SMOVIND-s2-p2.png. The s1-p1 file works ok?

[aerialplug]

Great work as ever and very much appreciated!

I can't see what you've changed about the Film4+1 logo? The files are the same as the pair I have now. The filenames of the Film4 logo are FILM4 instead of FILMFOUR (I'm comparing with my last set- 8.5.3).

If you wanted a full set of Sky Movies logo there are two more channels - Sky Movies SD 1 and Sky Movies SD 2. These show SD-resolution broadcasts of whatever is being shown on the (previously-HD customers-only) HD film channels.

I'm having trouble importing SMOVIND-s2-p2.png. The s1-p1 file works ok?


Film4+1 - looks like I didn't copy it over on the final version (probably when I thought FF+1 had been dropped when I read that that's what happened on Freeview). Will try to get the litle +1 mod on the next point release. It's supposed to have a little +1 (to the right of the logo but it's not there on the version in the zip file).


SMOVIND-s2-p2.png ... I'm not really sure what's wrong with this one - I'll look into it asap - but if this is the case, it may have been out there for a while without any comment. It certainly was there on the 9.1 "ghost" release I've been developing these on. :o :rolleyes:

I cancelled all my movie channels on Sky when they started messing up my TiVo's recordings with incessant requests for PIN numbers during the day for post watershed films being shown on all movie channels outside watershed times.

[BobBlueUK]

I'd just like to add my thanks for your continuing work keeping the logos up to date... :)

One small error I noticed in the latest Sky logo distribution:

BUSINES-s1-p21.png

needs to be renamed:

BUSINES-s1-p1.png

[Pete77]

I have now used Aerialplug's new distribution logo set to update with previously missing logos for channels such as France 24, Russia Today, Al Jazeerah and Channel 4+1. Thanks for all the hard work on these Aerialplug. :up:

However there does seem to be a problem with the newly provided logos for the Business Channel on 547 as only the logo in the second logo column in Tivoweb is showing and I have tried rebooting the Tivo and relinking both the Business Channel logos manually to no avail.

Also from a strictly Sky Freesat perspective and restricting my comments to FTA/FTV channels below channel 700 (thus cutting out any shopping dating or porn premium rate number channels) the following few do still seem to be missing. Not of course that they are in the Tivo EPG program data wise anyway (other than the actual channel number and name) and nor do I watch them as a general rule:-

144 Sumo Tv
145 Sumo Tv+1
158 Film 24
169 Passion Tv
176 My Channel
187 Fame
192 Milton Keynes Tv
196 Simply Tv
198 Creative Tv
277 Wedding Tv
278 Weding Tv+1
682 Entrepeneur Tv

If you can do anything with any of the above if you should ever have the odd spare moment or be able to track down the logos anywhere then it would certainly be very much appreciated by both me and no doubt any other dedicated Tivo watchers of the more obscure Sky channels. :o

[BobBlueUK]

However there does seem to be a problem with the newly provided logos for the Business Channel on 547 as only the logo in the second logo column in Tivoweb is showingSee my post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5442254&&#post5442254) above for the solution...

277 Wedding Tv
278 Wedding Tv+1Although there aren't any channel listings for these channels I'd be interested in logos as I do watch them sometimes... The Wedding TV website is at www.weddingtv.com so you may be able to get the logo from there?

I've tried in vain to get them to add their listings to the TiVo/Tribune EPG but they just aren't interested - the UK TiVo audience is apparently "too small" for them to bother with. :(

Personally I'd have thought a small/specialist channel like theirs would benefit from all the viewers they could get??

[mrtickle]

Film4+1 - looks like I didn't copy it over on the final version (probably when I thought FF+1 had been dropped when I read that that's what happened on Freeview). Will try to get the litle +1 mod on the next point release. It's supposed to have a little +1 (to the right of the logo but it's not there on the version in the zip file).


Aha cool!


I cancelled all my movie channels on Sky when they started messing up my TiVo's recordings with incessant requests for PIN numbers during the day for post watershed films being shown on all movie channels outside watershed times.

Very easily solved with IRblast. See this post (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5399164&&#post5399164) for the mods I made to make it 99% reliable. (Oh, and it's only because I'm on a £1/month offer - there's no way I would pay more than double what I currently pay to have them permanently!)

[aerialplug]

9.2.1 released - the description on the web site states what's changed. Basically all the corrections and requests made since I released 9.2 yesterday apart from Creative Tv - I couldn't work out what this should be.

Wedding TV's S2 logo was converted to greyscale because the original used soft shades of purple and if you've been on this thread for any length of time you'll know there's NO purple in the S2 palette! I think it looks OK though.

Also, I could find nothing wrong with SMOVIND-s2-p2.png - tried with Tivoweb Plus and loadlogos - both took without any problems.

[Pete77]

9.2.1 released - the description on the web site states what's changed. Basically all the corrections and requests made since I released 9.2 yesterday apart from Creative Tv - I couldn't work out what this should be.

Creative Tv seems to be some chat, premium rate texting thing that's only on in the daytime and stops at 6pm. Such channels would normally be in the 800s or 900s.

However in view of the channel number and name perhaps its just a placeholder for a more serious channel yet to be launched and this is merely earning revenue for the slot in the mean time?

Its hard to understand something like SUMO TV or BEN Tv being better placed in the channel numbering order than Five US or Five Life. I assume that large amounts of money must change hands if a more important but higher numbered channel wishes to dislodge a lower numbered pile of junk from its pre-allocated slot? However Simply Tv seemed to be broadcasting a rather interesting program about a recent music festival and including interviews with Sugs and others from the band Madness when I watched it just now.

Thanks for doing the extra logos AerialPlug. I thought now was the time to ask in view of you having some extra time on your hands at present. Or have you found a job now? ;)

[aerialplug]

yes, I've seen Creative TV in passing - it's just finding the logo somewhere. Not that it matters really, TiVo's never going to record from a channel like that (well, actually, mine started recording from channels with no metadata when the suggestions went nuts a couple of months ago).

As to job - still looking though I'm currently happy to work on a few web design / flash projects that I'm happy to have come across my desk including one rail based project that'll keep the mortgage paid for a few weeks ;).

I set myself a target to do all the above list in 1 hour earlier on. I nearly made it too were it not for time spent trying to find two logos scouring the net - and Sky Movies SD which I'd fogotten about.

[mrtickle]

Also, I could find nothing wrong with SMOVIND-s2-p2.png - tried with Tivoweb Plus and loadlogos - both took without any problems.

Hmm well I'm using standard TiVoweb with many customisations so won't be using Tivoweb Plus any time soon as I'd have to re-write too much! Something weird is going on.

[edit: Bonkers. I've just tried with IE and it worked. Opera let me down! Sorry for the goose chase].

[BobBlueUK]

Wedding TV's S2 logo was converted to greyscale because the original used soft shades of purple and if you've been on this thread for any length of time you'll know there's NO purple in the S2 palette! I think it looks OK though.Thanks again, aerialplug! :up:

[mikeyp]

hi guys, I've made some new logos for the tivo. I've got the virgin media L package, so I've made logos that I've updated and some that were missing. I don't think I gave the ones for the VM on demand channels the right names, so you might need to rename and or copy the VM-*.png and FILMFLEX-*.png files. They all work on my Tivo fine.

Aerialplug, please feel free to add any of these to your package.

[aerialplug]

A nice set.

A couple of duplicates, a couple of updates but on the whole mostly new material. I'll add these to the Sky package in the next distribution (though there is a case now for splitting a Sky/VM package - it would just need more admin).

BBC 6 was strangely missing from my recent updates so thanks for re-adding that.

I'll post when the new distro is available - I'll add a credit list to the web page for all the ones that mickeyp provided.

[mikeyp]

oops, must have missed the duplicates somehow when I added them to the Tivo... unless you mean the CITV one - I realised after that I'd duplicated it - the tivo calls the channel CHITV which is the old logo not CITV which is what you called the new one and I think that's what loaded and that's why I redid it. I forgot I'd called it CITV again and not CHITV. There was one other that had two Ms on the end instead of one so the name was wrong for the Tivo again but I can't remember which one any more.

I wouldn't worry too much about separate packages for the two suppliers, just so long as all the relevant logos get added for each one. I'll keep you updated with any new or updated logos I find and have time/can be bothered to do, but also remember I don't pay for the largest package so can't provide for all the channels.

Glad you like them and thanks for the credit, just please spell my name without the C please :)

[aerialplug]

How inconsiderate - The BBC have changed most of their national radio station logos without telling me!

I feel a really tingly feeling about a new logo release coming on ;)

The one that really creases me is the one that looks most old fashioned - BBC radio 1 actually has reverted to the slanty BBC lettering - it looks like it's come straight out of the 1960s!

[aerialplug]

Ok, I see. The logo on the radio 1 web site is deliberately retro as it's the station's 40th anniversary.

But all national radio stations HAVE changed.

[Pete77]

But all national radio stations HAVE changed.

The devil makes work for idle hands........................ ;) :D

[Benedict]

The one that really creases me is the one that looks most old fashioned - BBC radio 1 actually has reverted to the slanty BBC lettering - it looks like it's come straight out of the 1960s!If you're looking at the one I think you are then it is the one from the 1960s. Radio 1 have temporarily revived a lot of their old logos to celebrate 40 years of Radio 1. I believe they all have "est. 1967" somewhere underneath.

The real new Radio 1 logo can be seen here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/).

[aerialplug]

Ok, here are the new BBC National Radio logos.

They look quite unified and smart together - no doubt the intention of this rebrand, but I wonder how long before the individual stations start to tinker and rejig their logos as happened last time when the bland "|B|B|C| STATION NAME" logos weree gradually replaced by more colourful and individualistic logos?

[cwaring]

How's the Virgin1 logos coming along ap? :)

[aerialplug]

How's the Virgin1 logos coming along ap? :)

Here they are.

To see them now, rename them to FTN - there's no guarantee they'll survive the rebrand though.

[cwaring]

Meh! I'll add them after Monday then :)

[aerialplug]

Well, I liked the way they looked after a bit of tweaking...

[aerialplug]

I gave this logo as much priority as a main Freeview channel as I hope and expect it to become one, up there with BBC, ITV, Four & Five.

If they show mainstream programming in 4:3 however I'll be bitterly disappointed. They've obviously invested in new shows to make a mark - I've heard they intend to be a widescreen channel but I also hope they can do this from day one (presumably if they launch with potential widescreen content of course - a lot of their shows aren't).

There have been quite a few major changes in the last week or so if you include BBC national radio output and Virgin 1 so a new logo distribution soon in the pipeline.

[aerialplug]

A new logo set incorporating the new BBC logos and some other minor changes and additions can now be found here (http://hywel.org.uk/tivo/logos/).

[mrtickle]

Great, thanks!

[BobBlueUK]

Thanks also!

[atari_addict]

I'm on Virgin Media and have found that the following logos need renaming to make them appear:

MTVHITSs1-s1.png -> MTVHITS-s1-s1.png
UKGARD - the two logos need their filenames swapping (logo sizes wrong).
FILMFLEX -> MOVPREV
CELTICTV -> CELTTV

VM -> PREVIEW
THEHITS -> HITSRAD (The "The Hits" logo seems to be a better match to the radio channel). Comments, anyone?
SMTHFMM -> SMTHFM (Can we have a 102.2 variant for the South East, please?)

I found it best to run the deletelogos.tcl script first, then the loadlogos one, otherwise some pairings are incorrect.

HTH.

[ericd121]

Adding a couple of logos, I noticed there isn't one for Nuts TV Freeview.

Not that I watch it (cough);
but Tivo thinks I do (cough, cough);
must be something to do with the types of show I watch. ;)

Not really a request, more of an observation. :rolleyes:

[johala_reewi]

Doesn't seem to be one for Dave either?

[Pete77]

Doesn't seem to be one for Dave either?

Just as well there is no logo given the channel name.

I know marketing men always strive to be different but this is an unbelievably stupid name for a tv channel, especially when it has nothing at all to do with the diet of classic repeats to be found on the channel.

[aerialplug]

Here are the two new requested logos.

I don't know if the callsign for Nuts is correct - I don't have Freeview set up on my TiVo and it hasn't arrived on satellite yet.

I have to admit, Dave is the most pathetic name for a TV channel I've ever seen. Not only does it give no clue as to its content (repeats from other UKTV channels) but also it seems no effort has gone into thinking of an ident - simply the word "Dave" in Times Roman font!

They must have had a very short meeting in the marketing departmetnt to come up with that brand!

[Pete77]

I have to admit, Dave is the most pathetic name for a TV channel I've ever seen. Not only does it give no clue as to its content (repeats from other UKTV channels) but also it seems no effort has gone into thinking of an ident - simply the word "Dave" in Times Roman font!

I have just been staying at my Mum's house for a few days (she is not well at the moment) who only has Freeview. Dave is being portrayed as both an Indian elephant with a big silk sache on his back saying Dave and also as the station announcer "wot speaks like some bloke down the pub called Dave mate"...............!

Annoyingly the channel lineup is pretty strong on recent BBC classics such as Oz and James Wine Adventure, Top Gear, The Apprentice and Bottom so one does tend to end up watching it a bit and seeing the word dave emblazened on the screen during the program.

They must have had a very short meeting in the marketing departmetnt to come up with that brand!

If only that were true. I fear that the selection of the station name Dave is in fact quite probably the results of months of market research to decide precisely what dumbed down branding would suitably pander to the mentality of the typical member of the UK population. :eek: :(

Perhaps UK History on Freeview will soon be retitled Sebastian or Roderick!

[afrokiwi]

Hi,

I may be blind but i can’t see logo’s for the following:

MV4MEN2 {Movies 4 Men 2}
FIVEUP1 {Five US Plus One Hour}
FIVELP1 {Five Life Plus One Hour}
BLOOMUK {BLOOMBERG TV UK}
EURNEWS Euronews
ALJAZIN {Al Jazeera International}

Big thank you to the logo makers ... really makes a difference

[Benedict]

Perhaps UK History on Freeview will soon be retitled Sebastian or Roderick!My money's on Adolf!!

[dogsbody]

Your a bit late, he lost!

.... I'll go back to lurking now :p

[Pete77]

Hi,

I may be blind but i can’t see logo’s for the following:

MV4MEN2 {Movies 4 Men 2}
FIVEUP1 {Five US Plus One Hour}
FIVELP1 {Five Life Plus One Hour}
BLOOMUK {BLOOMBERG TV UK}
EURNEWS Euronews
ALJAZIN {Al Jazeera International}

Big thank you to the logo makers ... really makes a difference

There are definitely logos in the set for Bloomberg, Euronews and Al Jazeerah as I have them showing on my channels.

Normal thing for the +1 channels is to use the logos for the main channel again unless the channel specially does something different for +1. You can do this by manually associating the logos.

I think you are right about Movies4Men2 missing a logo (as its not a +1 channel) but as with TrueMovies 2 I would tend to use the logo for channel number 1 again. Also Movies4Men 2 has no Tivo EPG data of course in any case.

[afrokiwi]

Thank you sir !!!

There are definitely logos in the set for Bloomberg, Euronews and Al Jazeerah as I have them showing on my channels.

Normal thing for the +1 channels is to use the logos for the main channel again unless the channel specially does something different for +1. You can do this by manually associating the logos.

I think you are right about Movies4Men2 missing a logo (as its not a +1 channel) but as with TrueMovies 2 I would tend to use the logo for channel number 1 again. Also Movies4Men 2 has no Tivo EPG data of course in any case.

[aerialplug]

I don't know which is more embarrassing...

At the time I rendered this logo, I was working for a company whose main outlet was TV channel that used it.

I've never seen it on my TiVo and assumed there was some sort of clash. I've discovered tonight it was a palette problem - something people usually point out quite quickly...

I guess from this I can surmise that I'm the only person with a TiVo using downloadable logos that watches S4/C... :O Oh well.

I now work for a different company so I'm not so bothered but still, it's nice to see a new logo appear where blanks previously appeared on TiVo's Now Watching screen.

Da Iawn nawr.

New (and hopefully working) logos attached.

[mccg]

aerialplug...

How about re-working them for widescreen users?
I always get slightly disappointed that the Os (in BBC ONE, TWO, FOUR), and globes, etc are not round.

I know it's a little thing, and involves a lot of work.. maybe you can set up a macro to squish the horizontal size by 12/16 or whatever the ratio would be.

Just a wish, and I can't thank you enough for your effors so far.

[mrtickle]

If you stretch the 4:3-designed "Now Playing" screen to fill the screen, of course it will look wrong. (As will everything else that you watch in that mode, and some people get used to it - others go back to watching 4:3 in 4:3 and widescreen in widescreen!) The TiVo logo, the titles, the green and yellow dots, every piece of text, the lot - will all be stretched and look wrong.

Personally I don't think it would be worth that arduous task just so that the logos (but not the rest of the screen) will look ok for you?

The same applies to the onscreen banner you get when you press "right" during a programme. IMHO.

[cwaring]

I was wanting to say something like that, but wasn't quite sure how to phrase it so as to not offend anyone ;)

[aerialplug]

The S1 logo will look wrong on 16:9 programmes but I've never really put too much attention to those as they're only displayed for a few seconds.

The S2 logos are only displayed on the Now Playing screen, and that defaults to 4:3 on my TiVo, whatever the programme being displayed.

To be honest, resizing the logos would be a monster of a task. A logo pair on average takes 10 minutes to render from original source (usually a broadcaster's web page) to the final TiVo product. Let's say it'll only take 7 minutes per pair as I probably wouldn't have to source a logo pattern. There are just under 400 logo pairs. That's 46 straight hours of work there alone. Knock this down to 35-40 hours because of duplications (BBC ONE, +1 channels etc) - that's 40 hours I'd rather be spending doing something else...

It may be possible to write a script to automate the process - but it's not that straight forward - getting the colours to work correctly is a process that requires trial and error and a human eye to get right.

I'm a big stickler for watching programmes in the right aspect ratio - so true 16:9 programmes fill the screen and 4:3 programmes are viewed pill boxed. Since Now Playing automatically switches back to 4:3, the logos are the right shape all the time for me.

[einstein]

I cannot seem to find a logo for ITV2+1 and CH4+1 in the archive from aerialplug site? am I just a moran and cannot find it!

Stange one this, FiveUS is missing from my list of channels in TivoWeb! I've definately got it and use it on my Tivo!

ah! found gthe CH4+1 icon in the sky archive, not th freeview!

But the ITV2+1 is the same as ITV2!

[mrtickle]

Yes, most of the +1 logos are the same, as you'll see if you read back the thread. It's just too much hassle. I believe aerialplug did a Ch4+1 logo because it was interesting and different enough to be worth the effort. :)

[mccg]

I couldn't watch a program in the wrong AR format either... it even makes me cringe when I see just the odd clip at the wrong AR.
But 99% of my viewing is WS, and my screen does not auto switch
(it's a Panasonic Plasma panel (not TV), connected via a SCART -> component lead)
so I nearly always see the menus & logos in WS.
No worries though... I was hoping it would be possible just to run the existing logos through a resize filter, but as you say, I expect that would introduce new intermediate colours, which would have to be fixed manually.
As I said, I do appreciate the hard work you have put in to the logos, and thanks.

[einstein]

Yes, most of the +1 logos are the same, as you'll see if you read back the thread. It's just too much hassle. I believe aerialplug did a Ch4+1 logo because it was interesting and different enough to be worth the effort. :)


ah, i did ttry and read back through the thread to see if there was a reason, it just threw me, that there were icons, but they were the same! It would be "nice" for completeness!

Any idea, why Five US is missing from my map icons list?

[aerialplug]

ah, i did ttry and read back through the thread to see if there was a reason, it just threw me, that there were icons, but they were the same! It would be "nice" for completeness!

I tend not to bother with +1 channels with just a +1 tagged onto the end, but 4+1 was such an abomination (:);)), I felt it deserved its own version.

It doesn't even work on my TiVo as 4+1 is carried on a transponder that's widely affected by DECT phones (most of my friends also have this problem, but my Sky+ box doesn't).

[einstein]

I tend not to bother with +1 channels with just a +1 tagged onto the end, but 4+1 was such an abomination (:);)), I felt it deserved its own version.

It doesn't even work on my TiVo as 4+1 is carried on a transponder that's widely affected by DECT phones (most of my friends also have this problem, but my Sky+ box doesn't).

any ideas why my Five US is missing from remap channel icons?

[verses]

Any idea, why Five US is missing from my map icons list?

Have you reloaded TivoWeb since it was added to your Tivo's channels you receive? Does Five US appear on any other TivoWeb screens?

Ian

[einstein]

Have you reloaded TivoWeb since it was added to your Tivo's channels you receive? Does Five US appear on any other TivoWeb screens?

Ian

Yes, I've restarted TivoWeb, and restarted the Tivo to get the new icons appear, it's still not there, all the other channel icons are there (Dave, Virgin, Five Life etc).

Yes Five US appears under the Channel Map.

[mrtickle]

I couldn't watch a program in the wrong AR format either... it even makes me cringe when I see just the odd clip at the wrong AR.
But 99% of my viewing is WS, and my screen does not auto switch
(it's a Panasonic Plasma panel (not TV), connected via a SCART -> component lead)
so I nearly always see the menus & logos in WS.


Ah that makes sense. I thought there would be an explanation. Glad that you cringe!

However what I couldn't get was why you'd want all that work done to get the logos fixed, knowing that the TiVo guy, fonts yellow/green dots etc
would all still look wrong!


No worries though... I was hoping it would be possible just to run the existing logos through a resize filter, but as you say, I expect that would introduce new intermediate colours, which would have to be fixed manually.
As I said, I do appreciate the hard work you have put in to the logos, and thanks.

Me too.

Er... any chance of a logo for Animé Central? (Sky CH 199)
http://www.animecentral.com/
<ducks>

[einstein]

Yes, I've restarted TivoWeb, and restarted the Tivo to get the new icons appear, it's still not there, all the other channel icons are there (Dave, Virgin, Five Life etc).

Yes Five US appears under the Channel Map.


At present, I use the Analog Terrestial Channels to record from and record from the other Freeview channels, e.g. I record from UHF Ch.35 (aer) for Channel 5, instead of Freeview Channel 5. As specified in the Channels you receive.

I noticed that Five US is also on 35!

The two clash in Tivoweb Change Logos, so change the Channels I receive to Channel 5 35 (aer) to Channel 5 Freeview, restart Tivoweb, and Five US appears, assign icon and bobs your uncle - done!

I've always recorded from Analog rather than digital, so I could change channel with Aux, and still watch freeview channels, whilst it was recording from BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CH4, CH5, but as Analog will disappear soon sometime in future, best get used to watching Freeivew channels all the time, I also prefer fuzzy ghosting to digital break-up, video/audio syncs, etc etc

Now, just need to sort out why I cannot use Aux button with this Alba!

Does anyone know what CVBS is? and should I use this instead of RGB? Neither, give me the ability to use Aux! Maybe I need another scart cable?

[mrtickle]

Does anyone know what CVBS is? and should I use this instead of RGB? Neither, give me the ability to use Aux! Maybe I need another scart cable?

CVBS is another name for Composite video, the worst possible quality, at the opposite end of the scale to RGB which gives the best quality. If you can't see the difference between that and RGB then something is wrong with your setup - do you have a fully wired scart cable, is RGB and Scart control turned on in the Freeview box's menus and TiVo's menus, etc.

[cwaring]

If you can't see the difference between that and RGB then something is wrong with your setup ...
Or, as in my case, your eyesight ;)

[MarkW19]

I'm having a bit of trouble with this, hope someone can help...

I've downloaded the most recent Aerial Plug logos. I've created a dir in /var/hack called "Logos" and uploaded all of the logos in there.

Then, I've uploaded loadlogos.tcl and deletelogos.tcl to /var/hack, typed "chmod +x loadlogos.tcl deletelogos.tcl", then "./loadlogos.tcl /var/hack/Logos", Rebooted. Tried this 3 times, and all I get after the "./loadlogos.tcl /var/hack/Logos" is:-

Initialising logo list
Initialising channel list
Processing ./logos/3C-s1-p1.png
Detected Type 1 Palette/Size Format fro 3c-s1-p1.png
Overwriting Existing Image for 3c-s1-p1.png
Successfully Imported Image 3c-s1-p1.png
can't open object (errDbNotFound)

while executing
"db $db open "/LogoGroup/$lspace:$type:$type""
("uplevel" body line 11)
invoked from within
"uplevel $body"
invoked from within
"transaction {uplevel $body}"
(procedure "RetryTransaction" line 5)
invoked from within
"RetryTransaction {
set img [db $db openid $imgfsid]
set name [dbobj $img get Name]
if {[regsub -- {-s1-p1$} $name {} name] == 1} {
s..."
(procedure "addLogoIndex" line 6)
invoked from within
"addLogoIndex $imgfsid $index"
(procedure "show_import" line 177)
invoked from within
"show_import $file"
("foreach" body line 3)
invoked from within
"foreach file $filelist {
puts "Processing $file"
show_import $file
}"
(file "./loadlogos.tcl" line 585)


Can anyone help please?

[kitschcamp]

Have you just put a new image/drive in your TiVo? If so, you may have to wait a couple of days till your TiVo grabs the intial logos from their servers, then you can upload your own logos.

[MarkW19]

Yes I've just changed to a new HD, I don't have any logos at all now (not even BBC/C4/Sky), so I guess I'll wait until they come back in a day or two, then I start on changing them?

[kitschcamp]

Yup. When I changed my drive recently the logos appeared after a couple of days, then it was ok uploading all the rest.

[MarkW19]

Let's hope it's the same in the UK then ;)

[Pete77]

I would imagine that forcing a daily call and then letting the database finish indexing (if new data is available) followed by a reboot might help speed up the process.

[OzSat]

I purchased a disc with software installed - and have never got the logos on that disc set - over 12 months now.

[Pete77]

I purchased a disc with software installed - and have never got the logos on that disc set - over 12 months now.

I imagine Tivoheaven will be eager to tell us that the hard drive in question could not have come from them. I wonder where it did come from?

[Mark Bennett]

I imagine Tivoheaven will be eager to tell us that the hard drive in question could not have come from them. I wonder where it did come from?

In the Glo Remote thread you said "I don't have any grievance with TivoHeaven" - so why even say the above in this thread? No one mentioned TivoHeaven!

[Pete77]

In the Glo Remote thread you said "I don't have any grievance with TivoHeaven" - so why even say the above in this thread? No one mentioned TivoHeaven!

You seem to be reading something in to my comments that isn't there.

Tivoheaven supply hundreds of replacement prepared drives a year to a standard template and have many contented customers on this forum. So I cannot believe the missing logos issue would be with one of their prepared drives.

That being so I was just curious where ozsat had got his pre-prepared hard drive from. On the other hand I suspect as moderator he may prefer not to indicate the source due to the need for the forum moderator to remain impartial.

[Benedict]

You seem to be reading something in to my comments that isn't there.So what exactly were you trying to say?

That being so I was just curious where ozsat had got his pre-prepared hard drive from.So why not just ask him where he got his drive from? Why even mention TiVoHeaven?

[cwaring]

So. New drive image with only standard terrestrial channels.

If I were to add some of the logos that are for channels available on Freeview and then re-run GS to change the set-up to Freeview, would the logos then be used; or do I have to add the logos after re-running GS?

[Pete77]

So. New drive image with only standard terrestrial channels.

If I were to add some of the logos that are for channels available on Freeview and then re-run GS to change the set-up to Freeview, would the logos then be used; or do I have to add the logos after re-running GS?

Probably either would work but I expect it would be safer to add them after re-running Guided setup. If there are logos available for channels not on that Tivo platform the Tivo simply doesn't use them.

[cwaring]

Therein lies the problem; well it would :) The drive is going into a non-networked Tivo. I'd have to bring it back down here again and put it back in mine just to add the logos.

Oh well. I don't think my parents are that bothered about them. I might just try it and see what happens :D

[Pete77]

Oh well. I don't think my parents are that bothered about them. I might just try it and see what happens :D

Speaking as one about to install Tivo at my widowed Mother's place (she does run a PC and email and use the web a lot and has broadband with almost no problems despite being 73) I know that she will only be bothered about what I tell her is meant to be available and useable on the Tivo.

But it would annoy the hell out of me each time I visited not to have the logos.

You should have done what I did and splashed out the extra for a Tivo with a Cachecard as that should mean I can update logos when I visit and even maintain recordings etc for her remotely as required.

[cwaring]

You should have done what I did and splashed out the extra for a Tivo with a Cachecard ...
As it happens, they bought it themselves; on my recommendation of course ;) They didn't need the networking features at the time, and still don't, and I can't tell them to spend and extra £50-100 just to make an occasional upgrade easier for me :p

[Benedict]

New logo on the way for BBC Three

http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/08/04/160x120_bbc_bbcthree.jpg

Looks very similar to

http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/ss/sky_three.jpg

And also not a million miles away from

http://www.heart1062.co.uk/hrt1062/img/temp/temp_heartlogo.gif

[ericd121]

This is a hoary old chestnut.

Is there a way to make the icons appear in Tivo's Now Playing without rebooting?

I've never been able to do it, but maybe I'm missing something.

[Pete77]

Is there a way to make the icons appear in Tivo's Now Playing without rebooting?

Don't the new logos appear once the databases have been rebuilt following a normal daily call. I don't myself as I have never been patient enough and have always forced a reboot following adding new logos.

I've never been able to do it, but maybe I'm missing something.

What exactly is wrong with rebooting the Tivo though. Are you one of those trying to get your Tivo in to the Guinness Book of Records for the most days of continuous Uptime without a reboot?;)

[mikerr]

To many people a reboot is a "hammer to crack an egg" approach.

Especially as all that is required it to send tivo a signal that the data has changed,
so it can re-index it. The problem is finding the correct signal (if it even exists).

[Pete77]

To many people a reboot is a "hammer to crack and egg" approach.

To those who are in the "my Tivo must run 24/7 365 brigade you mean".

But of course neither you or I are in that brigade with our Tivos being rebooted daily on mains timers in order to ensure that we have a near totally reliable Tivo, even if we go away from home for a few days.............

[ericd121]

What exactly is wrong with rebooting the Tivo though. Are you one of those trying to get your Tivo in to the Guinness Book of Records for the most days of continuous Uptime without a reboot?;)Er...yes. :o

237d 19h 12m 24s so far. :)

[cwaring]

...with our Tivos being rebooted daily on mains timers in order to ensure that we have a near totally reliable Tivo, even if we go away from home for a few days.............
Oh come on. Daily re-boots? Unless there's something seriously wrong, that really shouldn't be necessary. My Tivo is "near totally reliable" without doing that.

237d 19h 12m 24s so far. :)
I'm so jealous :p

[Pete77]

My Tivo is "near totally reliable" without doing that.

Perhaps you could indicate what goes wrong on it when it is not reliable then.:rolleyes:

Also I suspect you never go away on holiday and always use your Tivo nearly every day so to you the prospect of a freeze in the menus is not serious to you because you will be there to correct it manually a few hours later.

Rebooting daily does no harm and ensures Tivo does not miss recordings for 2 or 3 weeks if I go away and it freezes.

[mikerr]

Oh come on. Daily re-boots? Unless there's something seriously wrong, that really shouldn't be necessary. My Tivo is "near totally reliable" without doing that.
It's more the set top boxes that benefit from daily reboots, as they can get stuck on a "press ok to continue" screen in various scenarios.

While tivo doesn't necessarily need rebooting so often, it does no harm IMO, and is better for hacks that may be hogging memory. A reboot is a nice "clean sweep".

Software types tend to hate this method though, it goes against the grain somehow ;)

[cwaring]

Perhaps you could indicate what goes wrong on it when it is not reliable then.:rolleyes:
It's as near to totally reliable as any computer technology (PC) generally gets; ie 99.9%.

Perhaps you would care to explain why yours needs re-booting every day.

It's more the set top boxes that benefit from daily reboots...
Fair enough, but Pete didn't say that. He specifically said his Tivo needs daily reboots.

While tivo doesn't necessarily need rebooting so often, it does no harm IMO, and is better for hacks that may be hogging memory. A reboot is a nice "clean sweep".
Fair enough, but surely not daily? :eek:

[dogsbody]

I actually have a comment to make on this... however... can we please move this to another thread!?

This thread is about new channel logos and I am subscribed to it so that I am notified when new logo's come out.

Discussing this here doesn't help with search results either.

Thank you :-)

[Falcon4]

I need some help here. I finally dug my Series 1 SVR-2000 TiVo out of the closet (actually, under the monitor in the living room, taking up space but not being used) to hook it up to a shiny new digital cable connection. I updated TivoWebPlus and Hackman, along with a few other adjustments (did I really need 10 backup copies of rc.sysinit.author, several broken copies of some software I was testing, and temp files all over the place?).

Now I'm looking at other things to tweak on it. I found this logo tweak interesting. I can't find any evidence suggesting that logos aren't possible on my old S1 TiVo, but I've never even seen it displayed on the screen. Is it even capable of logos?

When I try to import a logo, or run loadlogos.tcl, I get:
(TivoWebPlus output...)
-------INTERNAL SERVER ERROR------ --cut here--action:logos, path:/import/, env:file ANIPLN1-s1-p1.png lspace 1 submit Import, code:'errDbNotFound'
can't open object (errDbNotFound)

while executing
"db $db open "/LogoGroup/$lspace:$type:$type""
("uplevel" body line 3)
invoked from: "uplevel $body"
invoked from: "transaction {uplevel $body}"
(procedure "RetryTransaction" line 5)
invoked from: "RetryTransaction {
set img [db $db openid $imgfsid]
set logogroup [db $db open "/LogoGroup/$lspace:$type:$type"]
dbobj $logogroup add Index $index
dbo..."
(procedure "show_import" line 85)
invoked from: "show_import $chan [join [lrange $parsedPath 2 end] {/}] $env"
(procedure "MOD::action_logos" line 16)
invoked from: "$cmd $chan $path $env"
--cut here--
(Loadlogos.tcl output:)
Initialising logo list
Initialising channel list
object not found (errNmNameNotFound)

while executing
"mfs find $guideindexdir/ChannelTable"
("uplevel" body line 2)
invoked from within
"uplevel $body"
invoked from within
"transaction {uplevel $body}"
(procedure "RetryTransaction" line 5)
invoked from within
"RetryTransaction {
set channeltablefsid [lindex [mfs find $guideindexdir/ChannelTable] 0]
set channeltabledata [mfs get $channeltablefsid]
}"
(procedure "init_channelindex" line 55)
invoked from within
"init_channelindex"
(file "./loadlogos.tcl" line 583)

Is it possible at all? I don't know anything about TCL scripting or true TiVo internals (PHP, yes... TCL, no), so I don't know what it's trying to say. *shrug*

[aerialplug]

I've just seen the new BBC THREE onscreen logo for the first time and I feel so upset about how annoying and attention seeking it is that I refuse to draw a TiVo logo for it.

It's INSANELY dayglo in the corner of the screen - and had a 100% white BBC logo on top and 100% white "new" underneath, not to mention the dayglo "three". Horrible.

I mean.... it was a new episode of Torchwood! Something I watch weekly and look forward to - but my eyes just couldn't stop moving to it. I gave up after 6 minutes.

It now increasingly seems to feel for me that many new TV series are adverts for DVD disc sets for those who care about what they want to see on their screens. Thank goodness that BBC 1 2(not in Wales for some of the time though), ITV and Four are till logo free - but for how much longer? Five went the way of the DOG last year - but at least theirs is relatively transparent!

Edit: it's also still way too far across the screen for Widescreen viewers - SO intrusive. The BBC duty log told me that I was the first person to complain about it when I called just now - I find that even more upsetting to be honest.

[TCM2007]

Eeek, I see what you mean. That's awful.

[tom_m]

I actually SMS'd aerialplug at around the time he posted that - saying much the same - that new dayglo DOG is just horrible...

Time to find the online complaint form for the BBC! - ahh http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/

[Pete77]

The BBC duty log told me that I was the first person to complain about it when I called just now - I find that even more upsetting to be honest.

In my experience this is a standard lie told by the employees of Capita in Belfast (who run the BBC Information call centre) to then justify your feedback being ignored and no action taken.

They always told me I was the only person upset about BBC Parliament being shown in quarter screen only on Freeview for several years but a press release issued by the BBC when they made the change top to full screen clearly indicated that as usual Capita staff had been lieing to BBC licence payers.

Have you emailed the Controller of BBC Three to register your displeasure on the subject. You are more likely to get a meaningful reply in that quarter.

His name is Danny Cohen. More info at:-

www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/04_april/10/three.shtml

Email address:- firstname.lastname@bbc.co.uk (to spare Mr Cohen's email inbox being filled with unwanted spam by bots trawling through this site).

Or how about also cc'ng

Jana Bennett, Director of Vision
and
Tim Davie, Director, Marketing, Communications and Audiences.

Again firstname.lastname@bbc.co.uk

Given your former role at the BBC and that you no longer have to pull your forelock to these people as en employee you are surely well placed to comment on this matter as an expert.

[aerialplug]

To be honest I don't see the point after the arrogance I got the last time I campaigned about the BBC ONE and BBC TWO logos being introduced to all digital channels (eventually removed but then re-introduced on the then BBC Choice channel with its regional names that in some cases went all the way across the screen in the case of [B][B][C] CHOICE Northern Ireland until regionalisation was moved to BBC Two).

Back then I got the standard line from viewer enquiries that I was the only that they'd had a complaint even though I clearly wasn't as back then I actually had access to the duty logs and there were many daily complaints on the matter.

THe most ignorant and pointless argument was recently when I complained to FIve about their re-introduction of a logo after being one of the only channels in recent years to make the decision to remove their logo a few years ago. All the points I made were ignored and justified the DOG by saying that " 85% of households in the UK are watching digital TV and we believe that the majority of this audience are extremely visually literate and comfortable with the use of DOGs. "

All these channels are ignoring what they feel are the minority and branding their channels regardless of the fact that a significant number of "minority" viewers find them annoying.

Mark my words - Four will be next - they've been itching to brand their main output for years and have always sneaked in the logo on certain brands (T4 and for a while horse racing and other sporting events). ITV have less of a problem than they would have had a few years ago as idividual regional identities have largely been wiped out by the corporate takeovers of recent years and as we know already, the BBC have no compunction about branding their output on every channel they feel they can get away with - and as we've seen recently they're not exactly discrete when they do it. Viewers in Wales still occasionally get a BBC 2W logo to remind us that we're not getting the true BBC Two.

Unless ther remove it (highly unlikely) or make it semi transparent I won't watch Torchwod on BBC Three this time round and I'll wait to see it on logo-free BBC Two.

[cwaring]

I've comlained aready; even before seeing this thread just now.

[Pete77]

Unless ther remove it (highly unlikely) or make it semi transparent I won't watch Torchwod on BBC Three this time round and I'll wait to see it on logo-free BBC Two.

I admire a man who sticks to his principles but assuming that you are not one of the select few who's viewing contributes to the national tv audience rating figures then I suppose that sadly your protest will go largely unnoticed........

BBC Radio4's Feedback programs likes to crusade and hawl in the station controllers to account for this kind of stuff but obviously they don't cover tv and sadly Points of View does not seem to do nearly as effective a job over this kind of stuff.

[aerialplug]

Email address:- firstname.lastname@bbc.co.uk (to spare Mr Cohen's email inbox being filled with unwanted spam by bots trawling through this site).



Nice sentiment - but any bbc.co.uk email address that ever ends up being published anywhere online ends up being spammed with many hundreds of emails a day unfortunately. Experience...

[dogsbody]

Nice sentiment - but any bbc.co.uk email address that ever ends up being published anywhere online ends up being spammed with many hundreds of emails a day unfortunately. Experience...Which is why he didn't put there e-mail addresses online!!??

[Pete77]

Just seen the BBC Three DOG tonight prominently positioned so that even those of us watching on a 16:9 picture trimmed to fit a 4:3 screen are still subjected to its full revolting bright pinkness.

What were they thinking of.:eek::mad::down:

[Pete77]

Which is why he didn't put there e-mail addresses online!!??

Hey Dogsbody,

Kind of a spooky coincidence that you should make a sudden reappearance in the forum to comment on DOGs.;):p:D

[dogsbody]

LOL, I just lurk here now :p

[Gavin]

Hi, Any plan to add Dave Logo's?

http://uktv.co.uk/dave/homepage/sid/5002

Not complicated I know but for completeness.

[Pete77]

Hi, Any plan to add Dave Logo's?

http://uktv.co.uk/dave/homepage/sid/5002

Not complicated I know but for completeness.

May be Aerialplug has an objection in principle to any tv station that decides to call itself Dave just to appear to be hip and trendy.

I know that I certainly do

[SPR]

Could Sky Real Lives channels be added to the next release please?
http://style.sky.com/reallives/

Have tried to create my own for Dave. Despite being simple in design looked awful! (Not that it looks great ordinarily :) )
So have had to resort to asking for these.

[...coolstream]

I noticed on THREE that the dog is now fading in and out and not static as I'm sure it used to be.

If this is some way of attempting to appease protests, I don't think it works because a flashing pink logo is even more distracting.

[Pete77]

I noticed on THREE that the dog is now fading in and out and not static as I'm sure it used to be.

If this is some way of attempting to appease protests, I don't think it works because a flashing pink logo is even more distracting.

It definitely was static.

Of course this could be an effort to make it stand out even more and to stick even more strongly in the brains of easily influenced young people than any attempt to placate anyone.

Other unacceptable recent moves with DOGs are no longer ensuring they appear in the 4:3 section of the picture for the many people selecting 4:3 viewing mode when watching a Sky or Freeview box on a 4:3 television. Even CBeebies is now putting the DOG at the edge of the 14:9 picture area on its digital feeds instead of at the edge of the 4:3 one. This is stupid when no one watches in 14:9 on a digital STB.

Or is that a Sky Digibox handles 4:3 picture mode differently on a 4:3 tv from a Freeview box.

[aerialplug]

I do have plans to update the logo set - I've already drawn Dave but not sure where I put it at the moment - and the new Three will be a part of it for completeness. That doesn't mean I'm going to be watching the channel until they do something about it.

It may take a few days to do the update as things are quite busy at the moment . It leaves time for requests and pointers to logos that have changed since the last build.

Speaking of DOGs doing new things to get your attention - the Sky ONC DOG seems to have shifted to the top right hand corner of the screen tonight for Stargate - but it's back in the top left now. I wonder why?

[atari_addict]

I do have plans to update the logo set

Can I draw your attention to my post 913 please?

[Pete77]

How about the following:-

Sky Ch No Channel Name
149 Zone Romantica
186 Red Tv
280 Horse & Country
283 SA Direct
293 Living In Spain
435 Setanta Sports News
626 Pop Girl
911 Playboy One

I have tried to restrict it to those missing logos from channels that appear to be there for the long term rather than only 3 months (as is the case with some of the 150 to 200 newbie brigade) and that people might reasonably want to record something off.

I think its pretty poor that Tribune has still not added EPG support for 149 Zone Romantica in view of the mainstream program content and their existing relationship with Zone for EPG listings.

[difelma]

I have just downloaded logos for my TiVo and couldn't help noticing that the regional ITVs don't include Ulster - could be the end of the peace process if you're not careful!!! :D

So any chance of UTV and while you're at it RTE1, RTE2, TV3 and TG4?

Thanks - I currently only have aerial input so my TiVo looks very sorry for itself with only three logos to work with!!!

[BrianHughes]

...So any chance of UTV and while you're at it RTE1, RTE2, TV3 and TG4? ...


You'll find the UTV, RTE1, RTE2 & TG4 logos in the Sky lineup. You have to link the UTV one manually as its name isn't correct.

TV3 isn't broadcast on Sky so I don't know if a logo has been done for it. I seem to rememmber there was one back in the days when we used an "RTE aerial"

[AMc]

aerialplug - something has just zapped my logos. I'm putting them back using Freeview 9.3 from your site (http://hywel.underground-history.co.uk/tivo/logos/)
I found a seperate zip with Dave and Nuts attached earlier in this thread (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=5647693#post5647693).
I don't seem to have Channel4+1 (edit: found in the Sky package 9.3.1, perhaps it can be added to the next Freeview release?)
I can't find the new revolting BBCThree logo - did you do it or give up in disgust?

I hope you can find the time to do this, I imagine quite a few people will be hunting down the current logoset today! In the last post you said you were busy - I hope that's a 'good' busy :)

[aerialplug]

It's happened to us all - this time even the native logos have gone.

I just did loadlogos, rebooted and they're all back.

I'm hoping to find some time to do some of the logos this weekend - also I wonder if there may be another logo database refresh sometime soon to put back the ones they probably didn't mean to delelte so maybe going to the effort of refreshing them yourself now is probably not a brilliant idea.

[aerialplug]

As I no longer watch anything on BBC Three on account of that monstrosity of an onscreen logo I won't be seeing the benefit of this but, I decided to render them as a response to the special request tonight while chatting to someone on the phone...

It even grates on me when it appears on material shown on TV-Burp - but I guess that's exactly what the cretins in the marketing department want - the channel is branded in such a way that you KNOW where you saw the programmes.

to be honest, I sort of like the logo idea and even like the branding - but I HATE the fact they want to put it on the screen all the time throughout all their programming.

Enjoy the logo - I won't be seeing it on my TiVo any time soon if the form letter I got from the Beeb about increased brand awareness for the channel is anything to go by...

As to downloading a logo set - I really hope to find some time this weekend to get a new one built and recommend waiting a day or so anyway as I susptect they may send another correction to correct the over zealous deletion they did today...

[edit - probably discussed elsewhere already but I notice my posts are dated an hour in the future - the consequence of the US changing DST earlier than us I guess...]

[kitschcamp]

There's a relatively easy way to see BBC Three without the logos. If you use iPlayer, a lot of the time you only get a discreet white BBC logo in the far left for a lot of Three's programs.

[aerialplug]

The only way to watch the I-Player on Linux is on a rather badly compressed post card sized web stream at the moment. The BBC didn't seem think that there would be other platforms other than ones with Micro$oft DRM present like the Apple or Linux users for their near-broadcast quality file sharing service (which also sucks your broadband allowance away rather swiftly if you use it a lot).

Blow the web stream I-Player up to full screen and you enjoy each digitally encoded artefact in all its glory.

Besides, I like to watch things on my TV, while smoking my pipe while wearing my slippers, thankyou very much - none of this new fangled computer thingies putting pictures on the telly for me... ;) :D

Oh - and on that size and resolution the BBC logo is pretty much a little blob in the corner and can only just be made out to be their logo! Own goal.

[Pete77]

Some logos that were not part of the original Tivo provided boring white BBC set seem to have survived on my Tivo.

ITV3, ITV4, Five Life, UKTV History, Information Tv, Motors Tv, CITV, Travel Channel, UKTV Documentary, UKTV People, More4 and Five US. Everything else seems to have gone for my very large collection of 600 odd recordings.

Now to try a forced reassociation. But why did the above logos survive?

[dogsbody]

Now to try a forced reassociation. But why did the above logos survive?

I lost all mine yesterday, Strangely before I forcibly updated all the logo's from aerialplug's latest set I noticed that "Dave" had the original (TiVo supplied) UKTV Gold logo. Now that I have done a mass update it doesn't have any.

aerialplug, you ask which are missing from your pack, now that I have done an update from your 9.3.1 sky release I can tell you...

Logo with pink background - c4p1-tw-s2-p2.png
Wrong Logo - BBC3 ;)
Missing Logo's...
- DAVE : UKTV's Dave
- DAVEP1 : UKTV's Dave Plus 1 Hour
- UKTVDM1 : UKTV Drama (Plus 1 Hour)
- MTVR : MTV (R)
- DSIKNOW : Discovery Knowledge
- UKGARD : UKTV Gardens
- MTV1P1 : MTV One Plus One Hour
- SETSPNW : Setanta Sports News
- LFCEU : LFC TV
- NICKJR2 : Nick Junior 2
- DISNYP1 : Disney Channel +1
- CNTOO : Cartoon Network Too
- FUNRDG : FUN Radio Digital

Thank you again, the latest pack looks great :-)

[Pete77]

Now to try a forced reassociation. But why did the above logos survive?

The Tivoweb Logos module reassociate function reassociated most logos successfuly but I had to re-link another 10 or 15 by hand.

I find this method plus importing individual new logos for new channels or channels that change their logos is easier than simply replacing the complete logo set wholesale every time this lost logo association problem happens.

[Pete77]

The original boring white BBC, Sky and UK Gold logos have returned in last night's daily call, thus displacing Aerialplug's much higher quality and superior replacements for them.

So you will either have to reload all your Logos again as a set or do what I did and associate them manually for BBC One to BBC Four, CBeebies, CBBC, BBC Parliament, BBC News24, Sky News, BBC Radio4 and BBC Radio 7 (those being the only ones I have set up that are affected).

It would be nice if somebody at Tivo Inc in California could one day explain to us what they do the database that causes these periodic logo disassociation issues.

[AMc]

They seem to have added generic BBC logos to all BBC channels inc. News24 and the Radio channels on Freeview most of which had nothing before.
IIRC you used to only have BBC logos on BBC1 and 2 - as Tivo launched when 3 and 4 were called Choice and ... memory fails me.

Anyway - having sorted through the Freeview logos to get them all to associate properly last time - I just ran deletelogos.tcl then addlogos.tcl YMMV