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Dolby Digital vs Dolby Digital+

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 11:53
I have a Vizio soundbar on the way, and I'm trying to figure out what capabilities the Tivo has when outputting Dolby Digital.

I'll have the option to use the optical out for audio or HDMI passthrough with the soundbar, and I'd much prefer the HDMI passthrough route. I know that optical out can't pass through Dolby Digital+ (DD+), only vanilla Dolby Digital (DD), so I'm assuming that the Tivo has the capability to convert DD+ to DD when outputting via optical out. Otherwise, there would be no sound when playing Netflix and Vudu since they both use DD+.

I just recently learned that Vizio soundbars have issues with DD+, so I need to get DD to it, but will using HDMI pass through DD+ untouched, or does Tivo convert it to DD like I'm assuming it does when using optical out?

I'm planning on using an automatic HDMI switch to connect my BluRay, Apple TV, and Tivo to the HDMI input on the soundbar, then connect the HDMI output from the soundbar to the TV, that way I don't have to worry about changing inputs on the soundbar to get Dolby Digital/DTS audio from all three devices.

Does anyone have any first hand knowledge about what the Tivo Does to DD+ when Dolby Digital is selected in the audio settings?

MOCA Setup Question: Roamio with actiontec modem/router + 2nd wireless router

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 11:20
Here is my current setup
FIOS Actiontec Modem/Router ( ip - FIOS Coax cable goes into it. Dumbed it. No DHCP. No wireless.

Netgear R7000 - (Fixed IP - Ethernet wire from actiontec to this router. DHCP on. Wireless on. This distributes all the ip's.

TIVO Roamio - MOCA enabled.
TIVO Mini - MOCA enabled.

My prior setup was just actiontec doing dhcp and wireless and the Raomio and Mini connected via MOCA. This setup was working fine.

Few days back I connected the Netgear. Which handles wireless and DHCP. Dumbed the actiontec. No wireless or DHCP.
Problem with the setup is the Roamio cannot connect via moca and gives a network setup problem (N13).

Here are the MOCA settings static ip (
Gateway address ( Tried since netgear is technically the one giving out IPs but this too gives the same network setup error.

What am i missing here? Is my setup correct?
Don't mind going back to the actiontec distributing DHCP but just want to give this setup a try before I go back.


Does moca require a cable modem?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 10:41
Hello all,

Short version:
Don't have cable modem or cable service. Completely OTA household. U-verse Modem receives broadband signal over a phone line. Can I create a moca network using an adapter by simply plugging in an ethernet cable from the router to the adapter and a coax from the wall to the adapter? And then putting adapters on each device I want to connect?

Long version:
Getting a little frustrated at the moment as I have gotten several different answers out of Tivo on this question. Reading around here a bit, I see some vague mentions of Moca having nothing to do with a cable modem, but I can't really make heads or tails of it, and would like some straightforrward advice that I know you guys can supply. I am not a networkign guy by any stretch of imagination, so please explain it like you would to a fifth grader.
In my house we do not subscribe to cable television. We have no cable wires going outside the house. We receive our television via an antenna in the attic and coaxial wire split from that and dropped to the various rooms. Internet is AT&T U-verse and comes into the house via a phoneline. Phoneline goes into a modem that does not have coax, ethernet connects modem to a router, and another ethernet connects the router to the main PC in the house. This is the PC that is running pytivo. We have two tivos in the house. One is a Roamio basic, the other is now a roamio OTA. The OTA jsut replaced an HD unit. Both roamios are connected to the network wirelessly. Since the internal wireless apparently sucks ass, and a 1/2 hour show is now taking over 4 hours to transfer, it was advised to me to go with a moca network. Tech that I originally spoke to at tivo that suggested I go Moca, said it woudl work with my setup. Tech I jsut spoke to now, after looking at the setup pictures, said it won't. I Have to have a cable modem.

Am I up a creek, or will it work? Will I be able to "see" the computer on the two tivos? Do I need the POE filter if there are no wires going outside the house?

Thanks and sorry it is so long. I have just received so many different answers on this.

Tivo will not remove Premiere I sold from "active devices" list, why?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 09:56
I emailed Tivo this morning to remove Premiere box I sold from appearing my Active Device list when logging into Tivo.com.

They replied to my email saying they can accommodate and to call customer service.

Customer service then says call tech support. Tech Supports says they can't fix the problem.

I am really mad about lying to me and then the lack of customer service!!

Is there anything I can do here?

Problems with TIVO Roamio OTA Guide - Help!

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 08:59

I purchased my first TIVO, an OTA box and received it on Jan 15. On that date i noticed many of the channels (around 10) are incorrect in the guide or showing TO BE ANNOUNCED. I have tried through TV support both chat and email to get these problems corrected for over a month now and nothing has been done. They keep marking my emails as solved on their web site even though nothing has been fixed.

Is there somewhere else I can email guide problems to get them fixed? The main channels I bought it to record from are incorrect in the guide and it's basically useless except for setting up manual recordings with the wrong information.

I did get one rep to extend my 30 day trial another 30 days. I really like the DVR if I could just get the guide problems fixed.

Can anyone make any suggestions?


Further info as to what I have tried:

I have reported guide issues at TIVO's site here http://www.tivo.com/lineup.html

I have had chats via the TIVO web site at least 4 times with 4 different people.

I have spoken on the phone with at least 4 different reps. Each taking some of my information down to request to be fixed.
They say usually 3 -5 days to get it fixed. It has now been 35 days and nothing in the guide has changed.

4 stations are really all that matter to me, the other 7 are Latino stations.
The ones that I would like to see fixed:

Correct Info Tivo Guide Shows

I primarily want to be able to record METV programs and both channels it is on 30.1, 49.1 have incorrect guide listings.

Yes, I have gone through guided set up many times checking for updates.

Latest Firmware

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 07:38
I like to watch my recordings in chronological order (oldest first). How do I find the oldest recording now that grouping can't be turned off? The group date shows the date of the latest recording not the oldest.

Sitcoms - over?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 03:49
I believe with PaR ending, the sitcom as we know it may officially be dead.
What is there? While still enjoyable
- MF is getting predictable and not as funny as it once was, IMO. Almost every new sitcom this last season was cancelled before given any chance. There is no motivation for a production company to assemble a cast, a quality writing staff, and develop a show knowing full well the lights are likely to be turned off before an audience is found. If an audience is found, the cast demands a fortune to continue, causing the network to cut the amount of episodes it is willing to order.
Very little at this point that is worthy of recording and watching. I hope something turns this around.

Cablecards with Cox San Diego and HBO

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 02:32
Hi Everyone,

Just got a Series 3 set up with Cox in San Diego. I've got 2 cablecards and 1 tuning adapter installed. Both tuners work fine with local channels, but the second tuner doesn't tune HBO (the first tuner works fine). When I go to the cablecard diagnostics screen, cablecard one says One-Way Authorization Received, and cablecard two says just One-Way.

During the install, the folks were adament that each cablecard would need to be paired with its own tuning adapter. Is this correct? Is the issue just that they didn't provision the second cablecard to receive HBO? Or do I really need a second tuning adapter to get both tuners to work with HBO?

Thanks in advance.


force netflix app to output dolby digital not dolby digital plus?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 01:56
I just upgraded my office computers sound card to a Denon receiver and 5.1 setup. One of my Tivo Minis is also in the office and I'd like to listen to that audio through the receiver.

It's not possible because of how windows/hdmi/receivers play together to connect the mini via hdmi without losing my second computer monitor screen (it's connected to the monitor HDMI out on the receiver. Long story short: I could stand to lose that monitor occasionally to watch stuff on the tivo, but if I put the tivo connected via optical I can still see the picture from another HDMI input (in this case the computer) while listening to the audio from the optical input, and then switch back seamlessly to the computer audio via a button on the receiver.

A lot of what I watch is netflix/amazon and occasionally vudu. Is there a way to force the Netflix app to only output regular vanilla DD 5.1 so that I dont have to turn it down to stereo in order to watch from the mini and still get audio from the optical cable?

Quote: Originally Posted by EDIT I'm sorry, I forgot that part... using an audio extractor between the mini and the TV to add optical 5.1 output to the mini:


The mini hdmi out would go from the mini to the audio extractor, then the HDMI output from the audio extractor would go to the TV and the optical out from the extractor to the optical input of the receiver.

Undercover Boss - 2015 Season

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Thu, 02/19/2015 - 01:29
New thread, because the last UB season thread was from 2013, and it's time to leave things be.

I have to admit this season has been the most interesting one - while the usual time slot is on a Friday (and from the daily ratings thread, it scores highly), there is also the odd episode shown on a Sunday slot, where the show gets buried.

And apparently, it's CBS definitely burying the more controversial episodes. I mean, it buried the season opener on the Sunday following Christmas.

Spoiler: And what a controversial episode it was... with a CEO who basically has a mantra of breasts, all the time athis restaurant. He fired the first worker for wearing a shirt instead of showing off her breasts and for not embodying the whole deal .

And the last episode about Peavey Electronics (you know, the guitar amp guys - either from growing up in the 70s and 80s, or from the music game craze nearly a decade ago).

Spoiler: Geez, talk about going all the way and then failing - I mean, they laid off practically everyone on the show in a way they said they would fix. And for one guy, he got to experience the whole "Never accept a counteroffer" rule (where if you get an offer from another company, don't go to your boss to get a better deal because it never works out) because he put in his 2 weeks, then decided to stay because of the promises that were made. The whole episode ended with "The company is trying to find a way to provide the rewards.

No wonder they needed to bury the episode (and from the ratings, buried it was, coming in at 0.3 or something like that).

Still formulaic, but... wow.

Even more interestingly, I have to use a time-shifted CBS because our local CBS isn't carrying ANY of the episodes.

SuddenLink Cable Card paied yet not activated

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 23:19
I have a question. I have SuddenLink in Bastrop, LA. I have 2 Cablecards and a Tivo Roamio and a Tivo Premier 4. When I first got it for my 4 I called and paired it and Nothing! It was paired, but wouldn't work.
At Christmas I got the Roamio, went to pickup a cable card and same thing. It is saying it is paired, yet not activated. I swapped out the cable card to the Roamio and paired it and the Roamio is working, but I still can not get the Premier working.
Has anyone else had this issue? Suddenlink thinks I'm crazy. Last time the guy came out and called the same info to pair it and it started working. I was wondering if it was on the techs end and not the offices end, etc.

The Mentalist: The Last Ever Thread

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 22:58
Aaw, baby Jane.

Pretty much what I expected. A last minute thriller, wrapped in a wedding. Got to see most of our characters from over the years, and everyone moves on.

This was always an entertaining show. Saw every one of the 151 episodes. I think most viewers got a little tired of all the RJ machinations (and manipulations), but for the most part, it was fun to watch, which is all you can ask of a show.

Looking forward to seeing where our cast lands for their next jobs.

how do i turn the 2 leds off on the eathernet port?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 22:21
How do I turn them off so I can sleep? do I need to put black tape on them?

Person of Interest S04E15 “Q&A” 02/18/2015

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 20:35
With the loss of Shaw still weighing on Team Machine, a new number has come in for Reese and Finch, Anna there transcriber at an Internet search company.
(You can tell that Reese is just thrilled to be working security there, especially when he has to break up a fight between two “nerds”).

Anna seems to be a fairly routine case, in spite of the fact she has a sick sister to care and she’s a kick ass MMA fighter to boot.
(In spite of that, I don’t think she’s a Shaw replacement.)

While Person of Interest often stretches the technology we see on the show, I did have to roll my eyes a bit at the reason Anna was targeted.
Advertising dollars.

I thought that Finch’s diversion was the more interesting part of the episode.
It seems that Claire the Hacker/Nautilus player has reached out to Finch to ask for his help.

It seems that she has realized that Samaritan and Decima aren’t very nice people and has come to Harold to discuss it with him, bringing along what she claims is some of Samaritan’s source code.

But with the loss of Shaw on his mind, Harold is hesitant to believe her. That’s an interesting contrast to Season 1 Harold, who would have believed her right away but Harold’s been through a lot these past few years.

As it turns out, Harold eventually got snookered because he did start to trust her and was wrong.
Claire was luring him into a trap but not necessarily because she’s become evil.

She takes Harold to a school that Samaritan has helped (and we assume it’s really running it), saying that Samaritan is trying to help.

The problem is, we already know the lack of morality Samaritan has and Harold ain’t buying it even though Claire has.
(In that way, Claire reflects Root’s Season 3 belief in the Machine.)

Fortunately, Harold is sprung from the trap by the timely arrival of Root (which I assume the Machine clued her in) but not before planting some doubt in Claire’s mind about the group she’s aligned herself with.

(I suppose that Greer’s lucky that Reese or Shaw didn’t rig Harold’s laptop with explosives.)

I did want to believe that Claire was telling the truth and hoped that this would be the start of taking the fight to Samaritan but perhaps this is the start of Claire being the “inside man”.

I did like Fusco’s “Right hook, left cross!”.

Big Button Remote

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 20:28
Does anyone know of a big button remote that actually works with TiVo? I recently installed an older version TiVo (TiVo HD) on my 96-year-old mother's TV (had to be an older version because she doesn't have the internet) and now I can't find a big button remote that works. We've exhausted the possibility of using TekPartner, which is the one she has used for years, and I've checked out several others that don't work. TiVo Technical Support told me there are definitely some out there, but he couldn't tell me which ones. He suggested I try posting the question on the TiVo community site, so here I am.

Guide data seems to be getting worse!

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 20:11
Has anyone else noticed lately the growing inaccuracies in the guide data leading to missed or repeat recordings? I'm stunned to see how many shows I'm missing because the original air date is incorrect. Example: Property brothers on HGTV aired tonight at 9:00 PM EST and though the episode is marked as new, the original air date shows 01/12/15 instead of 02/18/15. This is happening across many different series/channels. I spoke with TiVo and honestly they seemed clueless and asked me to report each of these occurrences which is simply ridiculous as it would become a full time job.

I just can't imagine how Tribune Media which I believe supplies EPG data can get away with such poor and inaccurate data - though I'm sure they would simply pass blame on the content providers which may in fact be part of the equation. In any case, this is simply unacceptable as it defeats the whole point of set it and forget it...

Arrow 2/18/15 "The Return"

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 19:52
"That disguise wouldn't work even if you smeared greasepaint all over your face!" :D

4TB was formatted. Is it an issue?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 19:52
But mistake, I formatted my 4TB with a Mac tower. Will that be a problem for upgrading a Roamio Plus?
Also I will need a Roamio drive connected to the Mac, is this correct?

20.4.6 no folders in my shows (option C) gone?

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 19:04
Just got the new release. What happened to the option to unfold the folders (believe it was option key C)

20.4.6 Bug: share browsing doesn't remember settings

TiVoCommunity Forum Recent Threads - Wed, 02/18/2015 - 18:12
Now that I can talk about it (if you know what I mean), I can point out an annoying bug that was introduced in 20.4.6

When you browse a computer share (using something like PyTiVo), it now no longer remembers your preference to turn on Groups. The moment you leave the share, it ALWAYS reverts back to turning off Groups. Using it without groups is beyond frustrating- everything you have organized by multiple levels of directories is, instead, just a never ending list of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of videos.

At least it is easy to turn groups on now by just pressing "2" instead of having to go through the settings, but it is an unnecessary annoyance none-the-less. I certainly hope TiVo Inc. will fix this because has always worked properly and I can't imagine why they would have broken it and allowed this to remain unfixed in the release.


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