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Help me understand MOCA: what is the purpose of a router in a MOCA setup?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 22:26
Am trying to get my head around MOCA setups, but I keep on coming back to a question (and I apologize in advance for the simple-minded nature of this): what is the purpose of a network router in a MOCA setup?

Does the router serve to direct the signal over the MOCA network, between, for example, a TiVo Roamio and a Mini in the network? Does that apply only to Internet/cable content coming from outside? Or does it also apply to content being sent directly from a Roamio base station to a Mini?

Most specifically, could a MOCA network be maintained without a router connection, where the only desired effect is to transmit content already on a Roamio (standard) base station, or being received by the Roamio (standard) base station via an OTA antenna attached to the Roamio, to a Mini, where both the Roamio base station and the Mini are connected to the MOCA network (the Roamio standard base station connected to the MOCA network via a MOCA adapter)? I could swear that I saw some discussion here along those lines, but perhaps I misunderstood (and, hence, the reason for my asking here).

Thanks in advance--

What the most easy way to move a MP4 movie to a Roamio

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 21:59
I have never moved anything to my Roamio from my PC, but I would like to know if there is a simple way to move a movie in MP4 1080p format to my Roamio from my Windows 7 64 bit computer.

Thanks for any help you people can give me (I want the easiest way as I am only going to do this a few times a year).

HULU V131 Error

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 21:05
I am getting a V131 error when I launch HULU Plus in any of my Tivo Minis. The application works perfectly on the Roamio. All network applications work fine on the minis, Netflix, Amazon Prime, VUDU, and I can perfectly watch anything on the roamio and get information from the internet so it is not a connection problem.

I have seen other posts like this one, but they are all about the problem in non Mini devices. Is anybody having the same issue with HULU on the Mini?

OTA DVR Comparisons (Tivo, Tablo & Channel Master)

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 18:53
My mega DVR review. (long - long - long)

If you don't like OTA or if you think it's a waste then please breeze right on past this thread. It's not intended to solicit 'cord cutter math' type responses. Thanks :)

In the past few months I’ve used the following 3 DVR’s. These are probably not only the most popular but are the best of what’s available for cord cutters.

Tivo Romaio:

The Tivo is # 1 on my list and is ultimately the one I ended up keeping.

The Roamio was purchased direct from Tivo using a discount code that was purchased on eBay. The Romaio with lifetime service was $450 using the discount code and I paid $30 for the discount code. Total spent $480.

This is by far the best option for cord cutters. The Tivo has 4 tuners and comes with a 500GB hard drive inside. The hard drive allows about 75 hours of HD recordings. The internal hard drive is easily up-gradable using up to a 3TB sata drive.

There are 4 tuners in the Tivo and they are rock solid. The unit pulled in all my channels and they all come in crisp and clear with no issues whatsoever.

The guide correctly listed all my channels (47 OTA total) and provided accurate guide data. The Tivo also has built in apps like Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime and Vudu. The beauty of this is that they are not just a clickable apps. These apps are tied into the main Tivo ‘My Shows’ feature and into the ‘Tivo Find TV, Movies, & Video’ search feature. TV shows that you choose from say Netflix (or any app) are added to your watch list. It is a killer feature.

The Tivo can also automatically download web streams. For instance I watch All About Android. I search for it and it is listed on the Tivo. Selecting a One Pass for it gives me the option to auto download new episodes as they are available and also lets me choose the number of downloaded episodes to keep on the DVR. This is a very nice feature!

The Tivo will also add a One Pass for shows on Netflix ect. I have a One Pass created for Orange is the new black and House of cards. Again, this is another killer feature of the Tivo.

The Tivo has cover art and full descriptions available for all shows and movies be they from the OTA guide or from an app. You can also Thumb Up or Down items and over time the Tivo will build suggestions based on you history. This could be a nice way to find new content.

The Tivo is fast and responsive and I have not had a single issue with it. None, zero, nadda, zilch! All of my recordings scheduled just fine and they recorded without incident.

The lifetime subscription is tied to the life of the box however.

Channel Master DVR+:

This one ranks # 2 on my list.

I had a Channel Master DVR+ about a year ago when it was 1st released. I had several issues with it and ended up returning it. I decided to try it again and some of the issues I previously had have been resolved.

The Channel Master DVR+ is $250 and you may also need a WiFi adapter that Channel Master sells for an additional $40. You will also need an external usb hard drive. I will compare it to the 500GB drive that comes in the Tivo. A WD 500GB hard drive sells for about $50. Total for the Channel Master DVR+ would be about $340.

The guide data is free for life! The down side is that Channel Master only sells a 2 Tuner DVR and there is no option for a 4 tuner version.

The tuners are weaker than those found on the Tivo. The DVR+ pulled in all 47 of my channels but 4 of these are very weak and pixelate quite a bit.

The guide data is still a bit wonky. I have 2 channels where the guide data was not listed at all and 4 other channels listed incorrect data. I can’t find any way to notify Rovi (the EPG provider) about the errors / non data. Overall the EPG data is fine but it’s not perfect like the Tivo EPG data is.

Scheduling recordings is a bit hit and miss. I setup all my shows and the Channel Master correctly scheduled most of them. I am not real sure why it decided to skip some episodes though. This could and probably is an issue with how the EPG data is listed. I only want to record new episodes so perhaps the EPG data was not listing some as new? No clue but this can be easily overcome by simply checking your scheduled recordings once a day. If you know a show airs on Monday night and it’s not listed as scheduled then you can simply go to the guide, select the missing show and record it that way.

The guide is simple and does display some information about shows but it does not include the season and episode # which is a bummer!

The DVR+ does come with apps installed like Netflix but it does not display any info other than the app name. There is no way to include your Netflix shows (like House of cards ect) into the data like the Tivo can. Again a bummer. It is nice to have access to these apps however and Channel Master has said more apps will be added over time.


The 4 tuner Tablo sells for $300 and a lifetime subscription is $150. You will also need a hard drive so again the WD 500GB hard drive sells for about $50. Total for the Tablo setup comes to $500

The Tablo operates differently than the other 2 DVR’s listed above. The Tivo and the CM plug into your TV via a HDMI cable whereas the Tablo operates over your internet connection and is accessed via an app.

The tuners were strong and pulled in all my channels. The guide also correctly listed all information and data for these channels. There are no apps like Netflix, Hulu Plus ect on the Tablo nor is the information from any apps available in the guide data.

Initial load times once you open the Tablo app are slow. This is mainly because the Tablo need to buffer the channel so you can pause and RW. Changing channels acts in the same manner and they buffer as well. Again, it needs to buffer the channel before tuning to it so you can pause and RW..

A massive bummer is that I got some buffering on live TV from time to time. This was the ultimate deal breaker for me and was the main reason that I decided to sell it.. Changing channels takes about 10 seconds per and can be a bit aggravating..

A massive bonus of the Tablo is that you can watch TV anywhere and on any device. That’s the beauty of it. It runs over your internet connection and is accessed via an app. No need for extra gear to do this like you would need with the Tivo and I don’t believe the CM can do it at all unless you added something like a SlingBox.

To summarize, here are my choices in order along with their prices for the gear and lifetime EPG data.

1. Tivo $480
2. CM DVR+ $340
3. Tablo $500

So why did I chose the Tivo as # 1? The EPG much is better than the others. The ability to add House of Cards (or any apps TV show & movie) directly to the Tivo system is pure awesome and it has the ability to automatically download web streams.. Add all these together and it’s in my opinion, the ultimate DVR for a cord cutter.

I’ve had all 3 of these within the last few months so feel free to ask any questions you may have and I’ll try my best to answer them.

If you are looking for an OTA DVR you can't really go wrong with the Tivo Roamio..

Oh NBC Nightly News...You've done it again.

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 17:40
Wasn't sure if this belonged here or in "General Chit Chat".

Remember not that many weeks back they aired a shot of a guy wearing a t-shirt that had something not quite air-worthy, and failed to blur it out?

This is almost as good.

Talking about the machete attack at the New Orleans airport, the reporter said that as the guy went after a grandmother who was working as a TSA agent with the machete, "an unarmed deputy pulled a gun".

If you didn't get it the first time, read that quote again. :rolleyes:

Can we have shows grouped by different "users"?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:51
I do not see this but wonder if there is any way to do what we want. My wife has a few series (one pass) recordings that are on our now playing list. They are usually at the top but not always. Is there any way to have a "folder" perhaps with her name that ONLY has her shows so that when we look at Now Playing we do not see her shows? I believe that our old ReplayTV's had this.

Amazon prime log in?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:33
Stupid question... just got a roamio and it will launch Amazon, but I see no where to log in so it knows I am a prime member. I assume this is possible, how do I do it?

Just bought a Roamio and will sell my older Series 3

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 16:01
Is there anything that I need or should do to my older Series 3 Tivo before I sell it?

When "New" is not really New

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:53
I recently added an SP for Pawn Stars, requesting only new episodes. I suppose that my Tivo is using the 28 day rule because there is a marathon of PS on next Wednesday and all are set to record.

Is there a way to set up the SP where it only records actual new programs?

(Mods, please move if necessary).

Old Tech (Newspaper) Beats New Tech (TiVo)

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:26
I picked up a hard copy of my town's newspaper this morning and it has today's NCAA games listed along with the times and other pertinent details. It is sad when TiVo can't even keep up with paper and ink I can hold in my hand (and it isn't Internet connected). My Internet-connected TiVo can only say "TBA" for all the tournament games today. The guide only says "TBA" and the recorded shows only show up as "TBA." :down:

Note: I posted this in another forum and it was suggested this forum was the best place for this. Sorry for the double post.

OnePass Fail

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 15:05
I have a OnePass set up to record all of the NCAA Tournament (men's basketball) games. Thursday and Friday games all recorded fine on my Roamio Pro.

I just sat down to start watching today's games, and lo and behold, nothing is recorded. Go to the OnePass Manager, and the "Upcoming" list shows all the games, but nothing is set to record. The guide data says "Teams TBD", and original air date is 1/1/2000.

I cannot find any combination of settings that will cause the shows to be recorded. I have "All channels" set, "New and repeats", and record starting at year 2000. No go.

Over in the Season Pass Alerts forum, one other person (perhaps not coincidentally in Boston) is seeing the same thing. I was expecting a huge uproar when I logged in, and was surprised that nobody else has reported having this problem. I'm guessing there's something about the Fios Boston guide data that is contributing to this.

If Tivo had left in the "Record all episodes" option, I suspect I could select that option to make it work. :mad::mad:

FWIW, I also have a 2-tuner Premiere, and it's having the same problems.

NCAA Tournament recording

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 12:56
So, i tried setting up an all channels OnePass for the 2015 NCAA tournament games thinking that it would record all of the games for me. Tivo recorded all of the Thursday and Friday games with the OnePass, but did not schedule any games after that. It appears that because the description for each game after the first round is "Teams TBA" Tivo thinks that they are all the same episode and there is no reason to keep recording it (even setting it to record repeats doesn't work).

So, now I've set up a Wishlist Search for the title key word 2015 NCAA Basketball Tournament which is the actual title used for every channel's listing of the games. The wishlist only shows the next 3 games on my local CBS channel, ignoring the games shown on TNT, TBS and TruTV.

I guess I'm going to have to go through the guide and set each game to record individually unless someone else has a solution.

I am foreseeing a similar problem when the Olympics come around next year. Last year i could set up Season Passes for each channel that showed Olympic games and prioritize the main NBC channel. not sure what will work next year.

Old Tech (Newspaper) Beats New Tech (TiVo)

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 12:34
I picked up a hard copy of my town's newspaper this morning and it has today's NCAA games listed along with the times and other pertinent details. It is sad when TiVo can't even keep up with paper and ink I can hold in my hand (and it isn't Internet connected). My Internet-connected TiVo can only say "TBA" for all the tournament games today. :down:

Amazon Instant Video

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 12:01

We just received an e-mail from TiVo that I didn’t quite understand: it said that we would not be able to use Amazon Video services any more.

Can anyone explain further? Does this mean that our purchased Amazon Prime Instant Video is no longer available on our TVs?

We have two TiVos, one a TiVo HD purchased in April of 2010, and the other a TiVo Premiere purchased in May of 2010.

Is it really true that we can no longer watch Amazon Prime Instant Video via TiVo? If not, does anyone have suggestions as to how we are supposed to watch Amazon Prime Instant Video with our kids on TV, or is there no longer any way to do so?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, as I am “technologically challenged”.

Thank you.

why does tivo stream work fine for a few min. then stop working?

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 11:28
tivo stream plays shows fine for 5 or 10 mins and then it stops working.
and it says cant find streaming device. how can I fix this?

my phone is a Samsung galaxy s2

YouTube Mode???

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 11:21
Probably a stupid question.

I turn on my TV sometimes and find my TiVo Premier in some kind of YouTube app/mode and I don't know how it get there. I can exit out of it by hitting the TiVo button on the remote but then I can't figure out how to get back into YouTube mode.


Odd TiVo/Cablecard Problem

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 11:17
After forcing an update on my Premiere XL4 and restarting it, I have 9 channels in the 800 channel tier of Comcast which no longer tune. Interestingly, their 200 channel tier equivalents ( both tiers being HD) all work fine. So, it doesn't seem to be an authorization problem. And, the 800 and 200 tiers both tune the same physical channel. Could there be bad data acquired by the TiVo, or did something weird happen to the cablecard? "Hits" to, and reauthorization of, the cable card had no effect.

Feel free to ask for any data you think is relevant.



Forum Runner issues since update

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 10:57
I am hoping very much that the site is able to keep its FR support.
There seems to be posts all over the Board, so maybe if we confine Forum Runner feedback to one thread, David can get an idea of how many users utilize Forum Runner as their primary portal to TCF.

eta: I have had trouble for two days now replying/creating new threads. I get a "working" icon and it stays that way perpetually.


Sat, 03/21/2015 - 10:50
Test forum runner

NCAA Tournament OnePass not picking up today's games

Sat, 03/21/2015 - 09:10
Sorry for the duplicate posts (if they haven't already been deleted) - the site was throwing a database error and posted multiple empty copies of my post.

At any rate, if you have a Season Pass or OnePass for the tournament, you nay need to manually record today's (and future) games. My pass got the first two days' games as expected, but guide data as of this morning still showed all other games as "Teams TBA" with an OAD of 1/1/00. TiVo believed the episode had already been recorded, so wasn't recording any of the upcoming games. Setting the OnePass to New & Repeats didn't fix it, and the option for All Episodes wasn't available (maybe if you have Season Passes still it will be?) So I needed to individually record each game today. Hoping by tomorrow the guide data will have been corrected, but in the meantime check your pass so you don't miss any games! (Because why have a 6-tuner TiVo if not to watch 4 college basketball games at once?)