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Why no Web Browser? Waiting to upgrade for years

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 21:24
TLDR - I love how Tivo works as a DVR - have loved it for a long time
I will stay with TIVO.. but not sure if I should upgrade . The extra storage capacity and nifty back lit remote are somewhat attractive.. but I'd need to feel some goodwill to the company also.. and my goodwill is strained by what I don't understand.

any ideas of something that works well along side tivo ?

Long version below:

Hi.... long time Tivo user... bought my first one in June 2000 when my wife was pregnant with our second kid (thats how I know)

I was content with the first one forever but eventually the HD TV thing starting coming out and the old one showed some wear so I bought a new series 3 around 2006 (?) This one is still going strong.

What I've really been waiting for is convergence. I figured in 2006 or 2007 or was it 2008 when began to be able to access YouTube on my series 3 that is was only a matter of time till I got a full browser.

Instead they went backwards.

Just 2 months ago, I broke down and ordered Uverse in disgust -- I really wanted to get away from Comcast for political/free-speech sorts of issues and they're almost more a media content creator than a data carier. Not that AT&T is an angel...

OK well.. that was a mistake .. uverse's DVR was an insult to the very notion of the advance of Technology.. it was lacking core features of my year 2000 TIVO ! disgustingly pathetic attempt to shackle consumers. So, I'm happily back with my dated Series 3

NOW... here is where I"m at.

I want convergence ... I'm feeling like I'd be better served spending 600$ on separate PC (or more accurately using the $600 towards a $1000 ish pc with a game quality video card).

Some of me really wants more capacity... it would be great not to have a second thought about which football games I want to watch.. just record 10 or 15 3 hour games in HD and decide late at night which ones looked good and stop watching if one became a blow out and switch to another

. .... and I want that back lit remote on the pro. The Drive on the series 3 is going to fail eventually too I suppose being 8 years old.

But, I'm not made of money.... purchasing both the PC and the Romaio isn't an option.

Some of this question is to sooth bitterness I suppose... why can't I just have my Tivo act alos like a PC ?

I got the Samsung Note 2 last year. I have my choice of 3 or 4 web browsers on it.. and I'm not bound to using web ap pages.. I prefer to access the pages via browser for a few reasons....(complicated perhaps.. but mostly fear or walled gardens and a pissing match on who sets the terms of access in terms of how much data I need to share....contact lists are sacrosant.. i don't ever want to connect my yahoo id, to my google id to my twitter id , to a facebook id.. .and some other places i use mutiple identities... that is getting increasingly hard to do on phones.

If my Samsung Note 2 has the capacity to run web browsers the procerssor in a tivo box (a modern one.. not my year 2000 one that can still function if I bother) has got to be powerful enough.

I feel like it is a matter of Throttling... and..

...and somehow throttling power to access information really sets me off.

Is there a reason beyond throttling I'm not getting?

Will I really need two boxes under my TV to be happy (I am a football fan, and have enough network tv shows as do my kids to justify the $90 a month packaged entertainment deal from the cable company )

As I tend to watch programs with the rewind button and the super slow motion button constantly in use (i'll watch each key play in a football game 3 or 4 times concentrating on the qb once, linemen second.. refs eye and reciever on a third..perhaps.. or just watch at different speeds and toggle back and forth frame by frame lookng at gaps or content.. that will never work via streaming (or maybe more precisicely they won't tend to let me). I' do similar on policital events analyizing in slow motion changes in body posture in minute seconds upon beign asked a question etc.. or just want to hear and ponder the implication of the word choice again right after I hear a sentence)

I guess I'm saying ,.... I NEED a Tivo for what Tivo does a great job at...recording channels...
... I don't think I need a tivo for streaming (my kids use the xbox.. for amazon prime free content etc)

Anyway.. I guess I'd like to hear other kindred spirits who adore TIVO in some ways I do but are feeling like they also need more that TIVO hasn't wanted to scale with...
... I mean if my phone can go from a motorola Brick in 2000 to a Note 2 in 2013.. why hasn't my Tivo grown in similar leaps and bounds into being both a DVR and a full on Linux based PC that can run any ap a pc can and fit video cards and maybe even integrate console game access etc? ....

Not quite as pathetic as Uverse not having slow motion and freeze frame in 2013 that tivo had in 2000 but.. still really hard for me understand!

Roamio pro and Time Warner setup

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 21:10
Got my pro this afternoon called TW to pair the unit. They have a cable card setup number to call. I was only on hold for 2 min before someone picked up

CSR asked what box I had, told him the Roamio pro. He said nice and that's the box he was going to get. Said it was top of the line and he had already authorized over 100 TiVo boxes so far

Took about 5 min to pair e cable card. It was a Cisco PKM802. I asked him was I going to get 6 tuners he said you bet. Got off the phone with him and I was able to record 6 HD channels

Only one small problem so far. Some of the channels are not coming in. Only one HBO Chanel is seen and a few others. Comedy Central etc. it say Chanel temporarily unavailable.

I rebooted the TiVo and tuning adapter to try and fix it. That didn't help. I am going to give it until tomorrow to try and fix its self before calling time warner back

Very happy so far

Roamio pro and Time Warner setup

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 21:09
Got my pro this afternoon called TW to pair the unit. They have a cable card setup number to call. I was only on hold for 2 min before someone picked up

CSR asked what box I had, told him the Roamio pro. He said nice and that's the box he was going to get. Said it was top of the line and he had already authorized over 100 TiVo boxes so far

Took about 5 min to pair e cable card. It was a Cisco PKM802. I asked him was I going to get 6 tuners he said you bet. Got off the phone with him and I was able to record 6 HD channels

Only one small problem so far. Some of the channels are not coming in. Only one HBO Chanel is seen and a few others. Comedy Central etc. it say Chanel temporarily unavailable.

I rebooted the TiVo and tuning adapter to try and fix it. That didn't help. I am going to give it until tomorrow to try and fix its self before calling time warner back

Very happy so far

Stream or copy?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 20:51
I currently have one S3 and two HDs. Any sharing between them is a copy. I am getting a new Roamio Pro to replace the S3. Will the interaction both ways between the Pro and the old HDs still be a copy operation or will one or both way be able to stream? If the answer is that one or both of the directions is still a copy, does the Roamio help to increase the throttling limits at all? ie. copies on my current systems barely stay ahead of playing... would be nice if the copy worked faster.

Never get email notifications

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 20:43
Ever since I joined TCF I have never received any email notifications even though I have it selected in my account. If I check the box next to my thread subscriptions it does not stick. The same for private messages.

I am using windows live mail and even if I check my email account on PTD.net there is nothing there. Can some one fix this?

Wishlist Saved Searches Missing

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 20:36
Does anyone know how to find a list of your Wishlists?

There used to a menu item under "Find TV, Movies & Videos" for "Wishlist Saved Searches". Now it just says "Wishlist Searches"

This only allows you to create a new wishlist, and the only ones place you can see wishlists are those in your Season Passes, which you can see only in the Season Pass Manager.

Not all of my wishlists were setup to be in my season passes.

I tried both the SD and HD menus, and couldn't find a way to fine my wishlists.

Any suggestions???

Used Premier vs Mini as a Roamio companion

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 19:24
I think people have an interesting option when choosing a companion device for their new Roamio TiVo.

They of course could select a TiVo Mini for $250 or purchase a used lifetime Premier for around $350.

Yes the premier has the slower UI, requires a cable card and probably won't get any of the new over the top applications.

But the Premiers have extra tuners, their own space, full TiVo app integration, and works well streaming in both directions.

I am not really asking if you would keep an existing Premier, I am asking if you would purposefully purchase a premier for a second or third TV.

What do you think? With the used Premier market, is this a viable option for you?

Roamio to Roamio scheduling

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 19:23
Hi, new Tivo user, just got a Roamio Pro used with Verizon FiOS.

I currently have four Verizon HD-DVR boxes, I can play shows recorded on one box from another box, but I can't schedule shows to record on a different box than the current box, I have to go to that room to schedule shows to record there.

If I buy more Roamio Pro boxes, or Mini's:
1) Can I watch a show recorded on one DVR from another DVR?
2) Can I schedule shows from one DVR to record on a different DVR?
3) Is there some sort of smart recording manager that will divide the recording tasks between all DVR's and use and share all tuners and all disk space efficiently?
4) Is there any quality or responsiveness degradation when watching from a Mini instead of the main DVR directly?

Thank you

Will Roamios work with Series 3 TiVos?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 18:51
I know the TiVo Mini can't interact at all with a Series 3 since its basically a streaming device and the Series 3 are "transfer" only type devices. I have a few lifetime Series 3 and can they still interact somewhat (aka..."multi room transfer" recorded shows) with the new Roamios?

Mini Networking issues.

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 18:41
I'm having disconnect issues with my newly acquired Mini and brand new Roamio Plus.

The Mini works fine for a while, but then starts stuttering and at times throws up the network disconnect issue.

I have a cat 5 cable running between two GigE switches. On the office switch is an ASUS router/wifi, cable modem, various office equipment and the Mini. The Livingroom has the aforementioned GigE switch which has the Roamio, a wifi access point, sling box, Roku 3 and Roku Soundbridge. The cable between the two switches runs through walls, and has my own homemade ends, which I can't totally vouch for, but haven't given me problems till now. Last night I measured throughput between two computers with GigE NICs. First I did it with the desktop and laptop in the office off the same switch, got a benchmark of about 800 Mbps. Then I took the laptop out to the livingroom and ran the same test and got about 400Mbps. Given that this is way higher than the bandwidth needed for moving HDTV, I'm not sure where I stand. As a further test, I replaced the cable embedded in my walls with a known good cat 5 cable running between the two switches. I'm still having the same issues.

TiVo Stream FAQ

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 18:12
There have been quite a few questions about this recently so here is a quick FAQ for anyone who's confused about how the Stream functionality works...

Q. Which TiVos have a built in TiVo Stream?
A. The Roamio Plus and Pro have built in TiVo Streams, the Roamio Basic and all Premiere units require the standalone TiVo Stream box.

Q. Can the built in Stream in the Roamio Plus/Pro stream from other TiVos on your network?
A. Yes. The built in TiVo Stream works exactly like the standalone TiVo Stream. It can stream from any other Roamio or Premiere on your network.

Q. What's the difference between the standalone TiVo Stream and the one built into the Roamio Plus/Pro?
A. Nothing. The hardware is identical. The Roamio Plus/Pro simply include it on the same motherboard as the TiVo hardware. The internal Stream even has it's own MAC address and uses it's own IP address on your network

Q. How many streams can you have going simultaneously?
A. The TiVo Stream can transcode and stream up to 4 programs simultaneously. However each TiVo has a limit of 3 streams at a time, which includes streams to Minis and other TiVos, so you'll be limited to 3 unless you have multiple TiVos and at least 1 program is on a different TiVo then the others.

Q. Can I have multiple TiVo Streams on the same network?
A. You can but currently the iOS app has no way to select which one to use, so it simply uses the first one it detects. So even if you have multiple TiVo Streams there is no guarantee you'd be able to easily get beyond the 4 stream limit.

Q. Which devices can be used to stream?
A. As of right now only iOS devices can be used to stream. (i.e. iPhone and iPad) Android support is promised for the Fall. Support for other devices has been hinted at via surveys and demos, but nothing official has been announced.

Q. Can I stream outside my home network?
A. Not yet. TiVo has announced that they are working on this feature and it should be available this Fall. There is some indication however that certain premium channels will be restricted from being streamed outside the home

Q. Can I stream live TV?
A. Kind of. When you pick something from the live TV guide to watch via the Stream it actually starts a recording of that program and then starts streaming the recording to your device. You can not take over a live tuner like you can with the Mini.

Did I miss anything?

Is Roamio anything like U-Verse yet?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 17:43
Hey guys, can you tell me if any of this is possible. We have 3 premieres in our house and wondering if we should upgrade.

-Pause on one tv, then unpause on another.
-Access recordings from other tivos instantly (right now, you download first)

Also, is the Tivo Stream just for smartphones and tablets? I don't watch stuff on my smartphone or tablet, so that's not important to me. But I'm wondering for TV viewing in another room, do I need another Roamio, or will the TV Stream work for 2nd and 3rd TV's?

Thank you in advance!

CableCARD / Roamio question ...

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 17:15
Is there any reason why I shouldn't pull an old M-card out of one of my old S3's and have Comcast pair it to my new Roamio? I assume the older cards are capable of supporting all 6 tuners, right?

Why isn't activation instant?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 17:06
Purchased PLS for my Roamio, My Account says "We're still processing your activation".

Drunk History

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 16:32
Is anybody else watching this on Comedy Central?

It started from the videos and now is a show. It has his really funny parts. I do enjoy it.

Raomio plus/pro uses two IPs

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 16:26
I was looking around my network and noticed an IP that I did not recognize. Chatted with support to make sure if roamio pro/plus uses one or two IP's and they told me one - then after pressing found that this is the streamer inside the roamio that is using the second IP and there does not seem to be any method of contolling how it gets it - uses dhcp without a setup screen that I can find.

Anyone know how to manually set the internal streamer's IP?


Roamio streaming question ...

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 16:25
I just picked up a Roamio Pro today, and I'm trying to figure out how to best integrate it into my home. Can a Roamio only stream shows that are recorded directly on it, or can it stream stuff from other TiVos on the network.

HBO Go app?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 15:58
So yesterday on Tivo's facebook page they posted a picture of a stuffed animal tivo mascot with a rose in front of the HBO building with a title of "Roamio loves HBO! Do you?"

Does anyone have any reliable rumors that this means an HBO Go app is coming for the HTML5 engine on the Roamio? Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I would really like this.

Collections - An easy way to record new fall shows

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 15:21
Not many people realize this feature exists, and since we're likely to see a lot of people moving up from S3 units, where the feature wasn't available, to the Roamio I thought I'd start a thread about it.

In the Browse section there are these things called Collections. These are lists of programs based on various criteria, some of which are actually maintained by real humans. These collections can be setup to auto-record just like a Season pass.

This time of year there is a collection for New Fall Shows. By setting it to auto-record you'll get all the new shows without having to manually keep track of when they start, what night they're on, what channel they're on, etc... If you decide you like a show it's easy to add a real SP for it from the My Shows list. (you can even do this from a remote TiVo or Mini)

Typically what I do is I set up the collection to record. By November I decide which shows I like and set SPs for them, then I cancel the collection. It works great for discovering new shows without having to wade through the guide or keep track on a website like Futoncritic.

Play youtube, netflix and others?

Wed, 08/28/2013 - 14:44
I have been using airplay for ever, and I even have a chromecast just for fun, but I gotta say, the built in DIAL of roamio is sweet. No need to switch inputs.

What other apps can TiVo use? Do you think more will come?