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Adding Moca injector

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 15:52
Originally set up Roamio Pro with ethernet and told it to create a moca network. I now want to use a moca injector and move the pro to a location that's not wired for network. How do I do this?

POE Filter kills Internet access

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:57
I recently picked up a Roamio pro and Mini. I also picked up the MOCA adapter and POE filter from TiVo. I was having issues with my Mini being jumpy on playback or live TV. I read that a different splitter and POE filter could help. The splitter that was there was installed by the cable company and is a 5 - 1000 MHZ. I replaced that with a 5 - 3000 MHZ splitter I picked up locally and installed the POE filter. Mini now seems to be running smooth but I had no Internet access. Apparently my cable modem wouldn't connect. I removed the filter and now the modem connects and Internet access works fine.

Here is my setup:
Cable comes to the house - POE Filter - 2 way splitter
1st line goes to the office to a Actiontec MOCA adapter then to Cable modem
2nd line goes to family room to a Roamio Pro.

With the POE filter, no modem connection and no internet access
Without POE filter, modem connects and have internet access

Anyone know if there a reason why the filter would kill my cable modem/internet access?

20.3.8 black menu bug after delete/keep dialogue.

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 14:08
Quote: Originally Posted by univers (Post 9935512) Since the 20.3.8 update 2 days ago, I've been having a problem when I'm viewing a recording, reach the end and select 'Delete'. (Not sure if it would happen if I chose to keep the recording.)

Instead of seeing the 'My Shows' screen, I get only black.

The remote still functions and I can blindly select another recording to play, which then restores the display.

This has happened probably 5 or 6 times in 2 days, so somewhere between 10 and 20% of the time. Some of these were downloaded videos (CNET), others recordings from cable. Quote: Originally Posted by weaver (Post 9935882) I've seen this too. You can also go to live TV and then back to TiVo Central to bring the menus back.
Quote: Originally Posted by soccerdad72 (Post 9940360) I'm seeing this too, in fact it's the reason I checked and discovered I received the 20.3.8 update. It happens pretty consistently. TiVo Premiere XL, watching previously recorded shows from cable.

Never saw this behavior before. I am having this issue so far I have noticed it on 2 of 6 tivos.

It only happens if I select delete from the pop up dialogue at the end of a recording. If I select keep the menu system works fine.

If you have the video in the corner on, then you see that as well as the black screen.

If I press liveTV or Guide then everything works again. Although I have lost my place in the My Shows list. ( The Tivo button does not work.)

Thought it may be an hdmi issue, I switched to analog but nothing brings back the menus other than those 2 buttons.

This happens randomly on only 2 of my Tivos, a 2 tuner and a 4 tuner. Configuration is the same as my other 4 tivos...

Series 3 OLED/THX Lifetime, 750gig on ebay

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:39
My thread here didn't attract any attention, so off to ebay it goes!


TivoHD - 1Tb - Lifetime - 125+ Shipping

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 13:32
All in all - a pretty good deal, works perfectly!
Shipping is from 74075


Breaking Bad Marathon AMC Dec 27-30 2013

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 11:58
I think this is the first marathon since the series ended.

AMC is showing every Breaking Bad episode, start to finish, starting this Friday. Here are the deets from TVLine:

12 pm — 12:48 am Breaking Bad (AMC) | Have a very meth-y Christmas with a four-day, every-episode-ever Breaking Bad marathon from Dec. 27-30. Episodes begin each day at noon… so keep the Xanax close
If you'd like to see what else is marathoning this year:

Note: There are plenty of threads discussing the series, please limit any discussion in this thread to this marathon. And no spoilers!

Here is the thread for the series finale, which is full of spoilers, and can be used to discuss not only the finale, but any aspect of the show.

Any issues activating and not setting up same day?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 11:16
Got my parents a couple of Roamio Basic units and a stream for Christmas (shhhh don't tell).

I was going to have them activate them Christmas day at my house online, but then I will be going to their house on Thursday to setup them up (they already have two TivoHD so they have the cards already....they'll just need to get paired again).

Any issues activating and then waiting to setup? Just want to make sure Tivo doesn't de-activate if the box doesn't connect right away.



Roamio Netflix throttles based on video settings?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 11:13
I have Comcast Blast at 50Mbps down. Both Tivos (Basic and Plus) hardwired via ethernet (one on a 100 Mbit link, the other on GigE).

Looks like on the Roamio, the Tivo will max out the Netflix bandwidth based on the Video settings you have.

For example, on my Roamio Basic, it's hooked up to a 720p TV.....so in video settings I only have 720p selected. Netflix on this box will top out at 3000 kbps (1280x720). However, depending on the time of day, sometimes it has a hard time getting to 3000.

However, on my Plus...that's hooked up to a 1080p TV that supports the 1080p24. In settings I have 1080p and passthrough selected. On that box Netflix will top out at 3850 kbps (1920x1080). I then switched my video settings on that TV to just 720p and Netflix tops out at the 3000 kbps.

What's interesting is, I have two Apple TVs (3rd gen), one hooked up wireless and one hardwired. Both of these will go all the way to 5800 (1920x1080) on BOTH TVs.

I'm testing using the Example Short (http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Ex...trkid=13462100)

Is anyone else able to get their Tivos to go higher than 3850?


Lilyhammer - Unofficial Season 2 Thread

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 10:37
Started watching season 2 of Lilyhammer on Netflix. Seems to be more Norwegian language dialogue two shows in which isn't a problem with subtitles but the subtitles seemed to get stuck on episode 1.

Xfinity On Demand on Roamio and Mini at same time?

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 10:24
Hi everyone.

I've been using this forum for years but never posted. Thanks for all the great information.

We have a new roamio and mini and have comcast. After much work and consulting of this forum, i can get xfinity on demand to work. The final issue in my case was a loose cable!

This is my problem now - I can get xfinity on demand to work on the Roamio OR the mini but not both simultaneously. I get an SRM error.

Am I limited to one on demand show at a time?

Replaced Premiere with Roamio - Mini won't connect!

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 10:03
I actually don't have a problem. Posting this just in case someone else runs across this.
  • Added a Roamio Pro to my home to replace an XL4
  • Attempted to connect an existing Mini for live TV and get the V70/red X
  • Mini could connect to another XL4 without issue and all TiVos could play shows from any other TiVo
  • Added another Mini to the network, was able to connect to the new Roamio
  • Swapped locations of the two Minis, was able to use new one, not old one
  • Did a erase all on the old Mini and went through setup again
  • Now I can connect my existing Mini to the new Roamio

Thought that was sort of strange, but at least it works! TiVo was going to send me a new Roamio.

Roamio remote issues

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 10:02
I don't care for the new Roamio remote, at least not as much as I like my old model 3 remote.

I can't seem to get it to work, does anyone have a suggestion? Or does it work at all?

While the Roamio one does work fine, I am just used to the length and the feel of the better quality older one.......

Roamio newbie...additional issue

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 09:24
So, I did get my cable card taken care of, but now have a new issue. I hope someone will have a suggestion

This problem deals with transfers. I find it a bit strange.
The Roamio will transfer programs(ones that are ok to transfer) to my pc using tivo desktop. Also, I can transfer programs from the Roamio and to my S2's, and from S2's to Roamio. All that works is great.

The problem is the Roamio does not see the tivo desktop. So, I can transfer from it, but not to it from the pc.

Also, and I find this the strangest. Programs that have been transfered from the Roamio to the pc can't be transfered to my S2's. I can transfer from Roamio to S2, but cant from Roamio to PC to S2. (these are SD programs, I know HD can't be moved)

Any ideas?

Resolving recording conflicts

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 08:17
I'd like to propose an OBVIOUS feature enhancement.....

I like how my four tuner Roamio displays all four recording conflicts when I search for and attempt to record a fifth show. However, I find it odd that the screen that shows all four conflicts doesn't let me select which one I want to delete. It just defaults to cancel the lowest priority conflict.

I have my season pass items arranged in order of descending priority, so usually the one that gets bumped if I try to record a fifth show with four tuners already occupied is the one I would most want to skip. But wouldn't it be more convenient to be able to select ANY of the displayed conflicts and delete them???


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Mouse extension to KMttg on windows systems

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 02:07
For a couple months I’ve been testing an extension I built for KMttg that turns a mouse into an extra remote controller for a series 4 or later tivo – although I only know for sure it works with my 4 tuner roamio.

My approach was to use KMttg for all the difficult work, i.e. controlling the Tivo, while programming the new mouse interface in a separate process using a language I'm quite experienced using. Thus I could keep the changes to KMttg as minimal as possible. Here's a description of my extension.

When launched, via a windows .bat file, one sees along with kmttg another window that once right-clicked will go fullscreen and thereafter capture all mouse and keyboard commands. This extension will then forward these commands to kmttg which will send out skip and pause commands to the tivo selected in the remote page of kmttg. Mouse motion is ignored and the pointer always stays in the middle of the window. There is no need to see the screen once activated. This lets you close the lid on a laptop and use the mouse as though it were an rf remote control. One can then watch the tv and ignore the computer.

So, one would first setup kmttg (to select which tivo if more than one), and then activate the second window. I have a spare netbook where I leave it running and just hibernate when I’m not using it. It comes up running out of hibernation w/o losing a beat. Just one mouse click to turn the mouse back on.

Controls and settings:

There are 2 types of commands, keyboard and mouse. The keyboard commands are used mostly to setup various options, while the mouse is used to control the tivo to skip and pause.

One keyboard command (tab) also invokes tivo navigation – typically mapped to pause. Using a freeware mouse button(s) mapper, this command can be mapped to any of the extra mouse buttons, such as the wheel press button, or any 4th or 5th mouse button available on your particular mouse. See below. One might also use the logitech software for this if using one of their mice.

The mouse wheel is used to skip forward or backward a user settable number of seconds, typically about 4 or 5 seconds per click. Shift wheel skips 1 minute forward or back per click.

The right mouse button can be used as a click (down and up quickly) or as a hold (down and hold > ½ second) function. When clicked, this is a (user configurable) short skip forward, typically 15-30 seconds. When held, it acts like a shift key for skipping by minutes using the wheel.

Fast twirling of the mouse wheel is detected and results in kmttg skipping farther in a single operation rather than doing multiple shorter skips. With shifted wheel twirling, one can move very quickly to any spot in a show.

The left mouse button click is used for a larger skip, typically of the order of 2-3 minutes. This too is user configurable.

Advanced mouse mapping:

Most mouse wheels can be pressed to provide a “middle button” command. However, the windows OS does not normally handle these (OS version dependent). So, to use the extra buttons found on some mice, plus the wheel button, I use a freeware mouse button-mapping program. Then I assign the middle mouse button to invoke the tab key. This program also lets me map the extra buttons I have on one of my mice. It can be found here:


My usage experience:

I mostly have been using this for watching football, though it was mostly working during this year’s World Series. Canceling of mouse pointer movement let’s one toss the mouse onto the couch without worrying about loss of focus and thus no need to look at the screen. I then use the mouse to skip over commercials in one click. I find that 2 minutes works for most games (especially baseball), but those that are special (Sunday night football, or some college games that are national) 2:30 or even 3:00 is more usual. If I overshoot, I just roll the wheel to back up a bit.

To skip to the next play in football depends on how fast the offence is operating. In today’s game, getting off the next play before the defense can adjust makes a 30 second skip too long of a skip duration. I find that 15 to 20 seconds is about right. One can also use the wheel to go play to play and see a frame every few seconds.

I use the shifted wheel and a few twirls to skip 15 minutes of halftime. If I'm exercising while watching, I can hold down the shift and twirl the wheel using one hand, though it's a bit tricky.

I always watch football with at least an hour or two buffered. When my home team is losing or the game is lopsided, I scroll forward quickly watching the score graphic (and the remaining game time). If a team makes a comeback, I roll back to where I was and watch again with anticipation. This way I never get too frustrated or bored. Besides, who want’s to suffer through a bad game! Maybe it’s because I grew up in Philly where one bad play and everyone gives up on the team.

Two wireless mice brands that I have found handy due to their long range (30 feet) are the gearhead and hype. Both sell at frys for $12 and under. Some of the hype mice have 2 extra buttons on the left side which can be assigned to various uses with the above software. I found a white gearhead on sale for $7 that is easier to find on my dark couch. No need for fancy mice with dpi adjustments, just a smallish light one that feels good when held in the hand.

Implementation details:

The extension works by modifying 2 files and rebuilding from source KMttg and connecting a tcl/tk program via a pipeline as follows:

mytclkit8.6.exe mouser.tcl noconsole | javaw -jar kmttg.jar –q

Mytclkit8.6.exe is a single file (tcl-kit) implementation of the tcl/tk scripting language, prebuilt with several tcl extensions, such as twapi (for doing special windows system functions). Given a .tcl file it runs it similar to how a jar file is run by javaw.

Mouser.tcl is a tcl/tk program I wrote to take mouse and keyboard commands and send then on to kmttg which then invokes several button click commands on the kmttg remote tab (pause toggle and the 2 skip minutes buttons). My mods take advantage of the more recent kmttg implementation of these buttons that allow for fractional minutes.

The –q option to kmttg is a new option that enables the mods in kmttg to respond to data coming in from stdin.

Changes to kmttg:

I changed 2 files in kmttg. My approach does not limit kmttg, i.e. all the other kmttg functions still work as best I can tell. However, when using the mouse extension, it is not expected that some functions would be useful, such as starting jobs etc. It would probably be best to run a separate instance of kmttg for that. Still, I believe my approach does nothing to hamper anything else. Occasionally, I need to use kmttg to set a backdoor, and so I don’t need to do anything special; I just temporarily stop the mouse-capturing program from holding focus.


This is the main startup code that contains the code for handling command line options. I added the –q option. Also in this code I start a repeating timer that wakes every 50 ms (only if –q is specified). This timer code first calls a Java method to poll stdin for data, and if data is ready it then issues a read of a single line from stdin. If stdin is not ready, it dismisses the current timer code callback. I am not a Java expert, and so I did a bit of google-ing for this kind of code and I believe the timer wakes up in a separate thread. This requires a bit of mutex code that I will explain later.

The text coming in is from the mouser.tcl program. I devised a protocol whereby short text commands are interpreted inside the kmttg timer code. These result in a call of the doClick method of the several jump forward and backward skip buttons, or the pause button. doClick simulates a user mouse click on those buttons.

Here is where the mutex comes into play. It appears that doClick is an asynchronous method. I don’t know exactly how this works, but I discovered through trial and error that it was possible for my timer code to be running again before the prior call to doClick had finished. Thus I needed to set a flag to let me know if the prior doClick was still active – in which case, the timer is simply dismissed until the flag is reset.

The mouser program provides several different skip ahead/back durations, and so the timer routine modifies the amounts in the text boxes prior to doing a doClick operation and restores them afterwards.


This is the code that contains the jump buttons and the text-fields containing the minutes to move forward or back (now as a floating point number). The change here is to expose (public vs. private) 2 buttons and 3 text fields. This lets the timer code have access to these objects.

One not so clean approach was needed to be able to invoke the pause button. This button does not have a statically declared variable that I could simply make public. Therefore I did a hack whereby during the loop that creates all the remote buttons (that have icons) I test for the pause button and store away a reference to that button in a new public static Jbutton pointer.

The only other modifications to this file involve a mutex flag that surrounds the code which is invoked when a remote button is pushed. This flag is the one tested during each activation of the timer code described above. This flag is set even if the –q option is not used, but is otherwise ignored.


This is a separate tcl/tk program that creates a window which has focus (i.e. all mouse and keyboard commands go to this program’s window). In order to use the mouse like one would use a remote control, one normally does not want the mouse pointer to be a factor. If one were to accidentally move the mouse and the pointer left the program’s window, then mouse clicks or wheel rotations would not be received by this program.

The workaround to this is to create a window (fullscreen optionally) that captures any mouse movement and then moves the mouse pointer back to the center of the window. This is the one function that I did not know how to do using built in tcl/tk commands. Rather, I use the tcl twapi extension package which lets me move the mouse pointer without creating a recursive mouse event in tcl/tk. I mention this because it is the only thing in the mouse program that is tied to windows OS. But for this one capability, I suspect that the program would work on other systems, such as linux or possibly a mac.

I've built kmttg against code trunks starting at 2760 and recently against the latest 2823 and it has been quite stable. In two months, my tivo has rebooted about 4 or 5 times. Only one time did it reboot while this extension was active, and I don't know if it was the cause. KMttg has not faulted once while in this configuration.

Well, that’s it. Thanks for reading.

failed to record due to large overlap

Mon, 12/23/2013 - 00:02
Today my roamio didn't record the second game on cbs because of a large overlap. I wanted to set up my football records to add lots of time, just in case of a long overtime. Since the choices are 1, 1 1/2, and 3 hours, and I really wanted about 2 hours extra, I chose 3 hours instead. So I got the first game plus 3 hours of the second game which wasn't quite enough. These are season passes for all the football games so the 3 hour pad is automatic.

Others here mentioned that they found that with an overlap it would record both (fully) but just didn't show the recording in myshows or as recording in the todo list.

I found it in the todo list, but not shown as recording, and as mentioned, it never recorded it at all.

Ok, so maybe 3 hours extra is overkill, but still this seems to be a bug. Now I don't know if setting this back to 1 1/2 hours will work, or if I have to go back to setting 8 hour manual records on the two football networks.

The history stated that it didn't record the second game because it was no longer in the guide. Actually, that is not true as the guide showed the second game ending after the total of the first game plus the 3 hours. But it was close, there was 5 minutes extra. The show should have started at 1:25, and ended at 4:30. The early game was 10:00 to 1:25, with 3 hours takes that to 4:25. So, while close, it shows the algorithm is off. Had it done as requested, it should have recorded the second show from 1:25 to 7:30 or there abouts.

Beside for fixing this problem, I'd like to see the add extra time allow for 2 and 2 1/2 hours extra. With all the choices at the low end, who cares if there's a few extra button pushes to get to the 3 hour range. Then I could have chosen say, 2 hours and it might have worked. I have run out on occasion recording a long extra innings baseball game and so I generally add the maximum time and don't worry about it - got plenty of disc space.

HD netflix not working. 25 Mbps too slow?

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 23:46
I did a speed test and my Comcast speed is 30 Mbps. I can use YouTube 1080 P easy, but my Netflix won't go past 480. Will it help to get comcasts blast 25-50 Mbps? I know my modem capability (doxic 2) caps out before 50 Mbps. I had blast speed before but I downgraded because I didn't think it was necessary for the highest quality Netflix. When I had blast before I noticed Netflix HD was working. if 25 Mbps is sufficient for the highest Netflix quality then what could the problem be?

Subtitle question (this is not about cc)

Sun, 12/22/2013 - 23:39
Most of my PC video is various TiVo shows I archived off my Premier. I also have some other, misc videos, so I decided I would also like to archive some of my DVDs and be able to stream them back to the TiVo.

My question is around closed captions. I have a DVD set that is in another primary language, but has English subtitles. If I archive that on a PC (Win7), I can see the subtitles on the monitor, so I know they are there. This is not the closed captions, but the subtitles available. Is there a way to stream these to the TiVO Premier for watching on my TV and toggle the subtitles?

Does the cc option in the info screen also detect subtitles when available?