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Wed, 08/21/2013 - 10:00

Does the mini use the same type of RF remote that the roamio uses?

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 09:48
Would be nice to have that functionality in the mini so you can hide the box behind the TV or in a closet.

Tivo Web API

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 09:15
Looks like the Tivo Web API will soon be a reality (http://developer.tivo.com/docs/read/Home). Hopefully this will allow for easy HTML5 app development.

I paid $693 out the door for a Tivo XL4 and lifetime service, what Roamio...

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 09:03
In May I paid $693 out the door for a Tivo XL4 and lifetime service, what Roamio features are really worth all the extra cash (and it seems like it's a pretty big diff in price)

I don't really see that many software differences, are there? Speed is not a big deal to me, sure my Tivo isn't a blazer but it doesn't bother me and I don't need tivo2go...

and lastly, any chance we can expect to see the interface update on Premiere series?


Question about selling Premiere4/Stream

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 08:47
So I've ordered a Roamio Plus and am looking to sell my Premiere 4 with 2TB drive (original drive included) and Stream.

Just curious what would be a good price to expect and should i sell them on eBay as a bundle or separately?


It's What Roamio Has Inside that Counts

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 07:50
Perhaps we can post tear-down pics here...?

WOOT.COM have Tivo Premier bundles on special.

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 07:12
TiVo TCD758250 Premiere XL4 DVR & TiVo Stream Bundle
$249.99 Woot.com

TiVo TCD750500 Premiere 4 DVR & TiVo Stream Bundle
$149.99 Woot.com

Both come with stream. WOW.

Streaming from PC to Mini options?

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 06:08
I see in this thread that there is some support from Flingo but the file types are limited and lack FF/REW. Are there any other options? I've used Stream, Baby, Stream for years but that doesn't work (shows up, navigates to show, hit Play and error comes up).

Lack of streaming from PC is the main hinderance I have from replacing my Elite with another Mini.

New TiVo End User Agreement

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 05:46
TiVo has produced an updated End User Agreement. It clarifies a number of issues and terms of use. Additionally, if you agree to its terms you agree to binding arbitration in any dispute, waive your right to any type civil jury trial and waive your right to participate in any class action suit against TiVo. You can opt out of the "Dispute Resolution" Section in writing to TiVo within 30 days, I presume from 20 August 2013, if you are a current TiVo subscriber, or 30 days from your initial device activation.

User Agreement "(Excerpt)"

Effective as of August 20, 2013

This user agreement governs your purchase and use of products and services offered by TiVo Inc. (including TiVo DVRs, mobile apps, and websites). By clicking on an “I agree” or similar button you acknowledge that you have read, understood, and agreed to this agreement, including the parts about arbitrating any disputes, waiving any right to a jury trial and giving up the right to bring or participate in a class action.


So what's my strategic move?

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 01:41
I have 4 XL4's: 2 bought October 2012, 1 in January 2013, and one July 2013 that can be returned up until August 31st to Amazon.

I have 2 streams I bought in January 2013.

Basically, 2 XL4's and a Stream are in each of two different apartments.

None have Lifetime. All have extended warranties. One Stream is still in the box it came in, the other is in service.

I also have 2 HD's disconnected in the corner. One has a bad mobo and no drive, the other is good. They both have lifetime but are out of extended warranty (they are 2010's).

Let's say I wanted to have 4 Roamio Pro's. I could sell 3 of XL4's on eBay, return 1 to Amazon, sell both Stream's on eBay, get rid of the two HD's (the good and the bad one's).

What are the moves? Can I do some kind of move of the old HD Lifetime's to the XL4's.

Option 1: Now: Return the newest XL4, sell the Streams on eBay, buy 1 Roamio Pro, 2: Later: then wait for improved pricing on the Roamio Pro after Thanksgiving maybe to buy 3 more Roamio Pro's and sell 3 XL4's on eBay.

Option 2: ???

Mini Upgrade to Match Roamio UI

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 00:57
Does anyone know if the UI on the Mini will be upgraded to look like the Roamio?

I would like the look of everything to be consistent throughout the house (will have a total of 4 Minis).

Will a Roamio Plus and a Mini with a dedicated tuner

Wed, 08/21/2013 - 00:15
Will I be able to tape 6 things at once or will I be "limited" to 5 with a tuner permanently set aside for the Mini? That's the only thing I need to find out before I order....Thanks in advance

Suits - spoiler discussion about this season

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 23:38
What a freaking joke of a season. Enough with all the betrayals. Every single episode this season, someone betrays someone else. Please get back to cases. This main Ava Hessington arc is out of control. Anyone else annoyed with this?


Tue, 08/20/2013 - 23:20
But will the new Roamio work with PyTiVo? Year after year I use PyTiVo more and more and can't live without it now!

Hard Drive Upgrade Info

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 22:12
Anyone know how or if not when we will able to upgrade the entry level roamio hard drive to a internal 2TB? I have 2 on the way and would love to able to expand the recording space with new 2TN green AV drives I have.

Tivo XL4 w/ Lifetime & Tivo Stream

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 21:32
Selling my like new Tivo XL4 w/ Lifetime Service and Tivo Stream. Both come with box, original packaging and all accessories. Everything is in perfect condition cosmetically and functionally.

Craigslist ad: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/ele/4015384197.html

$675 or Best Offer!

TA question

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 21:11
After I got my Roamio pro and I take my 2 single stream cable cards in for 1 multi stream card should I also make sure to take my TA to make sure the firmware is up to date to support 6 tuners? I did do a search;) and from I'm reading all the TA's should have updated firmware to support the 6 tuners. oop's I forgot to add that I have cox cable if that matters

Roamio Pro - The Good, the Bad & the Unkown?

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 20:43
So I'm on the fence on buying the Roamio Pro. There are a lot of things to like, but quite a few things I'm disappointed aren't yet available. Here's my list of good, bad and unknown. Please add to it as you see fit.

The Good
  • New hardware should be much faster
  • 6 tuners
  • Updated interface
  • Built-in streaming capability
  • Built-in Wi-Fi support (which I don't use)

The Bad?
  • Streaming not available, yet
  • Android streaming support not available, yet
  • Windows PC streaming support not available, and no signs of it in the future
  • $600 (ouch) + $400 lifetime service (ouch) = $1000 (double ouch)
  • No THX certification?

The Unknown?
  • Will 6 channel support work with Time Warner tuning adapter in Raleigh, NC? It's unclear how many channels the tuning adapters support.
  • Will streaming be supported for Time Warner cable channels? Currently with my Premiere I can only download over-the-air channels to the TiVo Desktop. The other channels are copyright protected.
  • No Sirius XM streaming capability? (this would be a really nice addition)

What am I missing from these lists?

I'm also disappointed that TiVo won't offer better pricing for long time TiVo customers or the ability to transfer lifetime service. I've been a customer since the first 14 and 30 hour TiVo Series 1. I still own 4 TiVos, including 3 Series 2s and 1 Premiere. I know they've got to make money, but it's still disappointing.

Regards, Daniel

Component output confusion

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 20:33
The pictures of the back of the Roamio Pro and Plus clearly show component output connectors.

The tivo.com feature comparison web page for the Roamios clearly shows an X (nada) for component output for all 3 models.

Various reviews say it does have component output.

Will someone who couldn't wait and got next day shipment please report on the actual state of affairs? Are the component output connectors only there for decoration, or can you get a picture on them?

Thanks in advance.

(I would vastly prefer that the component output works - I have nothing but trouble with HDCP - things like switching the TV input for a minute then switching back sometimes takes forever to decide that it is valid to send a picture again. There are so many incompetent implementations of HDCP on devices with HDMI output, and I know what category I'd expect the TiVo engineers to fall in :-).

No Amazon Prime? Really?

Tue, 08/20/2013 - 20:16
I would love to hear the justification for not allowing Amazon Prime Streaming on the Roamio.

You'd think that would be one of the many weaknesses/omissions they would fix.

There's really no excuse for not having it at this point.


Fix it, Tivo, and you get my money. If not, I'll sit on this series 4 until it crumbles to dust.