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20.3.8 update fixed my SDV issues (V53/V58)

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 18:33
A little background

I am a Cox Customer in Santa Barbara, CA. Cox has deployed Switched Digital Video (SDV) in my area, and as such it requires an Tuning Adapter to be attached to the TiVo to allow it to tune those specific channels that are SDV enabled. This, combined with a CableCard allows me to access all channels in Cox's channel lineup. Before the Roamio, I used to have the original two tuner TiVo Premiere. I never had a failed recording with SDV unless the box locked up, which happened maybe once a month, but other than that, I had no problems.

When I got the Roamio, it became pretty clear that having 6 full tuners along with SDV was causing an issue. I didn't realize it at first but after reading the reports on this forum, it became clear that I wasn't the only one. I didn't have an issue with the CableCard not being able to tune the 5th & 6th tuner, but a combination of that issue along with SDV was causing recordings to just fail midway through, or not record at all. Seeing V53 & V58 errors became commonplace.

In the main thread (Tuners 5 and 6 Not Authorized), it was suggested to disable the 5th & 6th tuners as a way of temporarily reducing the frequency of the tuning issues. So I did that, and the issue became less frequent, but it was still happening.

Then came 20.3.8, included was a blurb from Margret about how it will now "retry tuning requests after a Tuning Adapter fails to respond". I was skeptical, but I figured it couldn't hurt. Boy was I wrong, all of my tuning issues were resolved! Three days later I re-enabled tunerr 5 & 6 and it's been going great ever since.

I have attached a spreadsheet detailing about 38 days of recordings. The recording bitrates in red indicate a failed recording, green indicates a successful recording. Because of the way the SDV failure exhibits itself in a recording (The TiVo records an empty signal, so the duration is as if it was successful, but the actual size on the disk is reduced and the resulting bitrate is low), I know that a fully successful recording averages between 11.30mbps and 11.70mbps. So anything less than that is a failed recording, I spot checked about 20 of those *bad* recordings and they all had tuning failures at some point in the recording.

As you can see, disabling tuners 5 & 6 help a little bit, but did not resolve the issue. However, 20.3.8 completely resolved the issue and I am now running with all 6 tuners.

Thanks to TiVo for solving this issue, and thank you to moyekj for the awesome kmttg software that gave me the information needed to verify this with hard data.

Recording size are very large

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 17:40
On my Premiere XL, I have notice that the recordings are very large every since this past Sunday (11/15/2013). A recent test of a half-hour show is 7.26GB!!! This was off a regular SD channel, not an HD channel. Past recording before Sunday are fine. It also is not happening to all the recordings.

If I copy the show to my Tivo HD, it becomes much smaller. I can then copy it back to my Premier and it remains small.

Is anyone else having this problem? Or know what is going on?

Is there a workaround to allow TiVo Stream to allow shows to download in background?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:55
Whenever I switch apps, the download PAUSES. No other apps are running. I can be in the TiVo app, mark the amount downloaded so far, press the home screen and wait 30 seconds, and return back to find out the download has been paused. It resumes immediately, though.

Ultimately, I would love to be able to multitask without having to have the app in the front all the time. I would like to browse Safari or read an ibook while the download continues in the background.

Has anyone found a workaround that will allow show downloads to progress while in the background?

Moving cable card from Premiere to Roamio

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 16:50
The faq says this:

Quote: Can I use my old CableCARD in my new TiVo DVR?

You may use a CableCARD from an earlier generation TiVo box, but it must be a Multi-stream CableCARD (M-Card). Single-stream cards are not supported by TiVo Roamio boxes. Simply move the Multi-stream CableCARD from your old TiVo box to your new TiVo box and follow the instructions on the installation menus that automatically appear on your TV screen. Is it really that easy? or will I have to get the cable company involved to un-pair the card from the old Premiere and re-pair it with the new Roamio? I'm a comcast subscriber.

Are Opera apps supose to be available?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 15:43
Are the Opera apps suppose to be available on the Premiere too? I have them on my Roamio but I don't see them on my Premiere anywhere.

NBC Olympics coverage may be improving

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 15:29
Press Release

More hours of coverage (TV and online) than ever, as expected. However, I see a substantial amount of live sport mentioned in there as well. Sounds like a number of things will be shown live, on say NBCSN, and also shown "packaged" on NBC that evening.

New Netflix APP Question

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 14:21
Are there release notes posted anywhere, with instructions on usage? thanks

Western Digital My Book AV DVR Expander

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 13:07
Is this the only option for an external hard drive to increase storage space or do other manufacturers external drives also work?

For the Roamio DVR.


Mini on "main" TV, Roamio on satellite TV

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:37
I have been a TiVo owner for about a week now, and thoroughly enjoying it. Have one mini now and will eventually get a second one.

Because of wiring, ie ethernet is easier to get to an upstairs TV, I have initially put the Roamio at that location and a mini at our main TV in the family room. Plan to either run ethernet to the family room or use an ethernet/moca bridge.

What I want to know is what types of things am I missing by not using the Roamio directly as the main box? Being a new user, I don't really know what I might be missing, so am looking for reasons to accelerate the reconfig, or if there is no rush. I know the UI is different on the two boxes, as is the remote. I don't seem to be able to flip between the different tuners on the mini. But I'm not sure if I am running up against actual limitations, or my novice user skills.

Thanks for any input

New moca setup -- splitter questions

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:31
I'm setting up a new network. Here's my intended setup:

imgur. com/sMDR4y7 (sorry, please remove the space)

I am having a heck of a time finding an 8-way, bidirectional, 2 GHz splitter to make this happen. Do I actually need a >1 GHz splitter for the internal moca traffic to work? I wonder if the splitter will pass the higher frequency signals through the output end.

Ninja Warrior

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:12
Any news if someone will be showing the original Japanese ones?

Hardware Specs

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 09:36
Curious, what are the hardware specs of the Roamio (I'm talking like processor and RAM)?

Will "Duck Dynasty" survive this mess Phil created?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 08:27
So A&E isn't happy with the family patriarch Phil for his comments in GQ magazine recently. He's been put on "hiatus" from being on the show.

So will DD survive this flap and keep on keeping on or do you think this well be similar to the Paula Dean mess, meaning they lose their show and sponsors etc?

They are a juggernaut right now for A&E/Wal-Mart etc. So I'm thinking they will make it through this PR mess but of course the hater spotlight will be on the whole family for some time to come I'm sure.

Full story:
Quote: Is this man simply expressing his beliefs or spewing bigotry?

Either way, Phil Robertson, the patriarch in A&E's "Duck Dynasty," won't be duck calling on air anytime soon. The network suspended him after he made controversial remarks about gays in a magazine interview.

In the January issue of GQ, Robertson says homosexuality is a sin and puts it in the same category as bestiality and promiscuity. http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/19/showbi...html?hpt=hp_t2

Is there certain order in setting up Roamio?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 07:54
My Roamio should be here in a day or two. I'm wondering if the is an method to the madness in regard to the order of setting everything up.
I'll have a Roamio plus, cable card, tuning adapter, 3 mini's, moca and a network connection. I have dual coax running to each location I want the Roamio and the 3 mini's.
Coax cabling plan using 3 2050Mhz splitters:
Coax input --> POE filter --> 3 way splitter in attic:
1. --> terminates at Cable Modem
2. --> terminates at 2 way splitter in AV cabinet:
2.1 -----> Roamio
2.2 -----> Tuning adapter
3. --> terminates to 4 way splitter in attic:
3.1 -----> terminates to mini in Study
3.2 -----> terminates to mini in Guest BD
3.3 -----> terminates to mini in Master BD
3.4 -----> unused/capped

I'm assuming that I should first connect the Roamio to cable and network and set up the networking component. Then maybe I install the cable card next and get that authorized. Then maybe I hook up the tuning adapter and verify I get all subscribed channels. Then I turn on moca on Roamio. Lastly I set up each mini and turn moca on for each (after connecting coax).

This is a very broad overview of what I've pieced together from reading through the forums, so any corrections or additional details for any step would be helpful.

now playing/ttg resolution dependent?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 06:10
i have the tivo premire i guess it is aka series 4 and i know the ttg downloads the box seems to be doing some kind of conversion internally because i did a test where i downloaded a show then did a crc checksum on the file.

then i downloaded that show again and ran another crc and found the 2 are different.

also i know some conversion is happening because i got a couple shows that will not download or abort halfway but yet they play ok all the way through on the box.

if i try to resume the download then the server crashes to where i have to reboot the box.

what i was wondering is since i have no hdmi device connected to the box (dont need it since i can download most shows and i avoid content that is protected) the box is unable to output in full resolution so would that effect the quality/resolution of the downloaded file?

if i connect a display that supports the full 1080p to the tivo box will the internal converter see "ok you have an hdmi device connected here is the full quality/resolution file"?

App Temporarily Unavailable (V301)

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 04:48
So I get up early to watch my Top Chef. Then I look for Xfinity on demand to watch the Last chance kitchen. Well, the Xfinity app is not there:eek:. Neither is the netflick or hulu plus apps:rolleyes: So I search for the show, find it, press watch and get the message that the Xfinity app is temporarily unavailable:mad: So before we get any new apps, we have to lose the ones we already have? How long are the apps going to be gone?

v53 tuning problem. OTA, no cable card, no tuning adapter

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 04:21
I'm using a Roamio Basic with an over-the-air antenna. (no cable card. no tuning adapter)

I've recently started having problems with V53 errors a couple of channels. TiVo won't record on the channels, and when I try to tune to them manually I receive the message:
"Problem with the signal on this channel. Trying again. (V53)"

If I manually change the channel back and forth, and/or reset the TiVo, I can usually get the channels to tune in eventually, and then they work just fine. They are channels that I receive quite well with my OTA antenna, and I just started noticing this problem recently (after the latest update?). It's possible that the issue was there before, but I've only noticed it recently because the TiVo keeps missing recordings on some channels.

All of the other threads that I see referencing this problem seem to indicate that it is most likely related to things like tuning adapters and cable cards, but I do not have either of those items.

If anyone else is seeing this same behavior, or has any suggestions regarding how to resolve it, I would greatly appreciate it. Misery loves company. :-)


X-Factor 12/18/13

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 02:36
Can they destroy Queen's "We Will Rock You" any worse?

Roamio Redordings and HD DVR's

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:22
Are recordings made with a Roamio compatible with the HD DVR?

Can I delete folders?

Thu, 12/19/2013 - 00:21
Under the My Shows area, there are two folders I would like to go away

Suggested, and some AOL thing

I just want a simple to use list of my shows and nothing I do not need, I previously rid the area of other things, but these two are a mystery

Is there a set of directions??