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XL2 vs. XL4

Discussion in 'TiVo Premiere DVRs' started by acvthree, May 3, 2012.

  1. May 3, 2012 #1 of 20
    acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    Is the only difference between the XL2 and the XL4 the tuner configuration?

    I have a dying series 3 and I'm thinking of not fixing the drive but just getting a new system.

    I'm currently using the antenna and I like that (good reception, high data rate), but the XL4 record four show simulatneously, correct? That is a draw.

    Is the firmware the same? Do you expect support for both, software updates, going into the future or will the software update be XL4 only soon?

    Finally, is there a way to buy the XL2 with a 2T drive and lifetime?

    Lots of questions. Thanks for the help.

    Al
     
  2. May 3, 2012 #2 of 20
    moyekj

    moyekj Well-Known Member

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    XL4 doesn't support ATSC (over the air reception) or analog cable. It's only for digital cable recording. If ATSC is a must then XL supports that.
    XL specs
    XL4 specs
     
  3. May 3, 2012 #3 of 20
    acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    Not a must, but I've liked it.

    4 simultaneous recordings and a 2T disk drive might make me forget about that. ;-)

    I'm reading through here about a lot of reboot issues.

    Are those across the XL line, that is XL4 is no different from XL2?

    I have Fios. Is that any better or worse for the reboot issue?
     
  4. May 3, 2012 #4 of 20
    mulscully

    mulscully Member

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    I had the same concern reading about all the reboot issues and the channel lost issues I have been seeing. I have FIOS and got my XL4 yesterday and so far no regrets.. Used the online season pass manager and copied over my SPs, and today it was recording 3 shows at once.. Have not had 4 yet.

    I will look again tonight when I get home, but I have not seen partial recordings yet.

    The biggest pain was just waiting through the first few tivo connections and getting the new software update, but I was up and running with 2.5 hours...

    I would look at your conflicts. If you seem to have them, then 4 tuners is worth it and at only $150 more then the XL2..

    Good luck..
     
  5. May 3, 2012 #5 of 20
    zalusky

    zalusky Active Member TCF Club

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    I have two elites AKA XL4 and I do not have reboots.

    I love the 4 tuners. I just do not have to worry anymore. The MRS is also wonderful.
    I have an antenna that I haven't used in years.
     
  6. May 3, 2012 #6 of 20
    GoEagles

    GoEagles New Member

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    The Premiere XL4 aka Premiere Elite is pretty nice, I had one reboot so far. At first activating it with the full HD menus and all was odd, but having four tuners and a 2TB driver is nice. Conflicts are a thing of the past. The XL4 is also THX certified if that matters to you and has the Premium Glo Remote with A, B, C, D buttons, not the earlier one with the swtich (which I preferred).

    If you brought a Premiere XL2 $249 + $120 for an OEM 2TB Green Drive + $399 for PLS, it works out better to get a Premiere XL4 ($399) + $399 PLS which is cheaper.
     
  7. May 3, 2012 #7 of 20
    thebfg

    thebfg New Member

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    Although if the plan is to upgrade the drive, then may as well just get a regular Premiere for $80-$100. The XL2 only adds the Glo remote and THX certification, if you're going to upgrade the drive anyway. And I'm still using the Glo remote from my Series3 (for some reason, my XL doesn't respond well to the remote it came with). You get a little savings over an XL4 at least, if you need ATSC.
     
  8. May 3, 2012 #8 of 20
    acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    I have a programmable remote, so the remotes are not an issue.

    I do have a nice sound set up. Is the certification just a sticker or is something really different?

    Just curious, are both cores active or is the system running on one core (I read something about that in earlier posts).
     
  9. May 3, 2012 #9 of 20
    Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    I has to keep my S3 around because I still have a few channels I watch that are analog only in my area. Other then that I have not had any problems with my Elite and it's been great not having to worry about conflicts.

    Dan
     
  10. wmcbrine

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    The regular Premiere has not been discontinued. They're different internally, but they're both considered Series 4, and they run the same software. I'd expect that to continue. I'm not worried about the Premiere being dropped until some time after they start making a Series 5 (if that happens).

    XL4 = rebranded Premiere Elite
    XL = regular Premiere with a big drive

    These are the two platforms within Series 4. There's no "XL line" -- up until the XL4, "XL" just meant "bigger drive, fancier remote, and/or meaningless THX certification w/ different startup video". Also I don't think they're calling anything "XL2".
     
  11. acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    Right.

    Premier
    Premier XL
    PRemier XL4

    http://www.tivo.com/products/home/index.html

    I think my choices are:

    Premier, keep my antenna set up and upgrade the disk drive myself. I've like the idea of getting the maximum bit rate over the air. 2 tuners "only".

    Premier XL4, be lazy and let it come with the large DD, and just go with Fios and 4 tuners.

    Just to re-ask, on early threads I saw that only one core was running on the Premier. Are both cores activated now? Just curious.

    Al
     
  12. compnurd

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    Yes they have been active for about 6 months i think now
     
  13. djwilso

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    Well, TiVo spells the name "Premiere", with an "e" on the end. I wonder if they ever had any discussions about what a bad name it is just because of how many people would be misspelling it constantly.
     
  14. acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    I ordered the XL4 last night.

    Thanks for the help!
     
  15. acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    So, I have my system in and have been adding SPs and transfering shows from my system 3.

    I have had at least one re-boot, but I was doing a lot at the time and it was early in the process. It may not have been stable when I was playing around with copying the shows over.

    I am seeing a lot of uncorrected RS.

    RS Uncorrected 5013
    RS Corrected 18
    Signal Strength 95
    SNR 38

    I was running the system 3 with 16 db of attenuation.

    Should I put the attenuator on the new system?

    I'm on FIOS and I know the ONTs sometimes run a hot signal.
     
  16. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    The uncorrected and correct RS is normal. It happens whenever you first tune to a channel. It should not be increasing though after the channel is tuned.

    I have 16db of attenuation from the 8 way splitter on the coax from my ONT. I can split that several more times before going to an Elite and it will still have no signal issues. It won't hurt to have more attenuation. No idea if you need it though. I think some people had issues that were fixed after some attenuation.
     
  17. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    FYI if you use the TiVo website you can copy all of your SPs from the S3 to the Elite in one simple action. It's very easy to do and works even if the show is currently not listed in the guide.

    Dan
     
  18. acvthree

    acvthree Active Member

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    Thanks, but what does it do for shows that were scheduled on the S3 antenna and now must be on the XL4 cable channel? 11.1 to 511 for example.

    Al
     
  19. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    When you transfer the Sp online, it should give you an alternative channel to choose from that the show is on. Although this might only be limited to a show that will be on in the next couple of weeks.
     
  20. astrohip

    astrohip Well-Known Member TCF Club

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    I'll throw in a caveat. I did this (online SP from S3->Elite) a few months ago, and I had lots of problems. Some SPs worked perfect, and others didn't. It did transfer them, but many didn't actually work. IOW, it created the SP for XYZ Show, but nothing was getting set to record. If I deleted the SP, and then created it from scratch, it then worked. I found many, many people in this forum concurring with me, so this is not an unusual problem.

    Because I was unable to trust the transfer SP process, I ended deleting all of them, and starting over.
     

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