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Wishlists - Broken?

Discussion in 'VirginMedia TV with TiVo - UK' started by warrenrb, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. warrenrb

    warrenrb Quiet Member

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    I'm beginning to think that without the ability to specify which channels you receive/care about, the once excellent Wishlist functionality is almost useless.

    My initial Wishlist I transferred from my old TiVo is 'West Ham' and 'Sport'. Jokes aside about my supporting choices, this wishlist now wants to record the LFCTV channel "Goals Liverpool have scored against West Ham". Err, no thanks. I don't want the damn LFCTV channel!

    Even worse, it's going to record a number of radio programmes on Five Live. I will never, ever want to record radio (that's what iPlayer is for!).

    Without a way to disable these channels, Wishlists have become broken and unusable to me, and with that, a big part of what made TiVo special compared to other PVRs.
     
  2. jonphil

    jonphil New Member

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    can you not use the exclude options to exclude things.
    The description says about excluding certain programs so can you do it for channels too?
     
  3. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    While I agree they do need to bring back "channels I receive"
    you might be able to do what you want with advanced wishlists - there's much more functionality there now including ignoring some keywords:

    http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/199



    The UI does show ticks in favourite channels page, but you can't untick them.

    I have a similar problem with my wishlists picking kids programmes/channels, and no way of filtering out cbeebies etc for wishlists.

    [edit] grrr seems to let you add negative keywords, but doesn't work?!
     
  4. maxwells_daemon

    maxwells_daemon New Member

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    Don't know if the favourite channels can be used for wishlists, but you can set favourite channels. I think you may have been confused by the ticks in the list - as I was. I don't know why it has a tick next to all channels, but initially no channels are listed as favourites. You have to enable the ones you want with the thumbs up.
     
  5. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Yep, i've used favourite channels to filter the on screen tv guide, but that doesn't effect wishlists.
    Thee fact that there is a tick box there implies you can change it though.

    Anyone got exclusions to work at all?

    E.g.
    I set a category only wishlist for science fiction and all it records is kids cartoons (mainly fantastic four) since you can't filter channels.

    So I added a title keyword of "fantastic" and made it negative by pressing thumbs down
    It then correctly shows as "-fantastic" BUT still records fantastic four :(
     
  6. warrenrb

    warrenrb Quiet Member

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    I thought the ticks implied that you could potentially control it too. I can understand VM enabling them all by default, as non-TiVo veterans might not understand why their channels are missing, but it REALLY needs to be something you can control yourself.

    The thing I loved about TiVo was how tailored it was to me. I had it trimmed and configured exactly how I wanted it, regardless of my TV service. 'Channels you receive' became a useful subset of the channels I ACTUALLY received, and then 'favourites' a leaner subset again.

    In 'All Channel' view in the TV guide, seeing channels you don't get, shown, but in grey, is really annoying. The channel list is huge enough as it is, without added useless info.

    I'm feeling a bit unhappy with VM TiVo today after my first impressions (not to wind up those still waiting, or who can't get it btw, just my personal opinion). I feel I was pretty content with what TiVo was, and all I really needed was HD and extra tuners. Having all this extra stuff forced upon you without a means to configure it on or off, gives me a feeling where I'm overloaded with *stuff*, and at the same time some features I could previous use (wishlists) are now gone.

    They've definitely gone for the 'more of everything is always better' approach, which I clearly don't agree with.
     
  7. hornist

    hornist New Member

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    Well said warrenrb.
    While there's lots to like about having newer hardware, HD, and multiple tuners, I'm left somewhat deflated by parental controls I can't turn off, features and channels I don't want, and a general sense that a potentially powerful tool has been tailored to restrict my viewing experience.
    I'm liking it a bit, but not as much as either my expectations or the price led me to think I would.
     
  8. Faz

    Faz New Member

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    Someone please tell me this is some twisted joke. :mad:

    I have my install this Saturday and Wishlists, with auto-record, is probably THE main feature I am looking forward to having back, oh and Suggestions of course!

    I'll happily sacrifice all the other non TiVo stuff like catch-up TV, apps, dual (and soon 3rd) tuner, even a major cut in recording capacity, if it means I can have Wishlists that are actually fit for purpose!

    And there I was giving Virgin praise for partnering with TiVo.

    I sincerely hope Virgin are listening to us TiVo old timers! Otherwise this marriage is doomed to failure before the honeymoon has even started! :(

    Unbelievable!


    Edit: From http://tivo.virginmedia.com/public/how
    This sure sounds like the Wishlists we've come to love.

    With the following in the next paragraph which appears to distinguish Wishlists from Suggestions:
    Surely misleading with current state of Wishlists according to the Trade Descriptions Act.
     
  9. jonphil

    jonphil New Member

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    While I don't totally agree with the comments about wishlists. I'd imagine this is just how they work on the Premiere Tivo boxes and nothing to do with Virgin fiddling. (can't see what they would have to gain from fiddling with the wishlists).

    What I did find last night is I tried to enter Jennifer Aniston as a test and then set an exclude on 'Friends' but I noticed that the showings of Friends on E4 weren't even showings without having to exclude.
    Same again on Courtney Cox with Friends and Cougar Town (however she's also listed as Cox Arquette)
    Didn't have too much time to play around as I also couldn't think of something that would currently be showing that I would then want to try excluding from recording.

    Either the guide data is missing or something isn't quite right with the wishlists yet.
    Maybe it would be good it Virgin had a e-mail address or something for people who have Tivo's now to report any odd issues.

    Non Tivo S1 people may not have spotted some obvious things that don't work like they should.
     
  10. Zaichik

    Zaichik New Member

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    I noticed a similar thing with some of the searches I did - I found particularly that showings on SD channels were ignored over those on HD. I initially thought this was an issue because TiVo is currently connected to an SD TV but it seems the HD channels are perfectly viewable through SCART - they're just downscaled.
     
  11. Digital Fanatic

    Digital Fanatic Virgin Media Staff

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    Virgin Media haven't messed with the Wishlists, TiVo are in charge of things like that.

    The only real customisation is around 3rd tuner, VoD and Apps.
     
  12. warrenrb

    warrenrb Quiet Member

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    DF, it's not so much the wishlists themselves, as the control of the channels we receive. Do you know if it's up to VM whether we can 'toggle' channels we receive on the new TiVo? On our original one, you could control/customise this yourself (for reasons I outlined in the first post - not wanting to record radio, etc.). I'm assuming you may not be an S1 owner - apologies if I'm telling you stuff you know.

    The 'channels' page where you set your favourites, has what looks like 'checkboxes' by the channels (as someone already mentioned), almost suggesting that you can toggle them on and off, but they are 'locked' at present.

    I was also thinking maybe one of us could go and ask the big boys in the US Premiere forum if this is something they can do - that way we know if it's a TiVo or a Virgin thing. Cover me... I'm going in...
     
  13. Digital Fanatic

    Digital Fanatic Virgin Media Staff

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    Ok :D

    I think because this is a platform TiVo, then VM will want you to see the other channels.
     
  14. jonphil

    jonphil New Member

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    Think I understand you a bit more now warrenrb and yeah I wouldn't want to record things from the radio based on a keyword.
    I would hope the actor search wouldn't pick up too much on the radio anyway. TBH I'm so new to Virgin I'm yet to locate the radio stations. lol.

    I'll have another go tonight as I'm really interested in the advanced Wishlists as it does actually seem more powerful than the S1 lists, but as you say ideally it would be nice to exclude particular channels.
    Maybe Premiere users can point us in the right direction, would think USA Cable services would work the same way (i.e channels received controlled by the cable company)
     
  15. jonphil

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  16. warrenrb

    warrenrb Quiet Member

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    Yeah, I know, unfortunately 'radio' isn't one of the categories. Categories as we've seen from the S1 is hit and miss, and only as good as the guide data - for example, one off the football shows on Radio 5 I didn't want to record had the categories of 'football, cricket'. It was a football specific show - nothing to suggest that cricket would be mentioned.

    I've also seen football not picked up by a wishlist with 'sport/football' because it wasn't listed as such in it's metadata.
     
  17. warrenrb

    warrenrb Quiet Member

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    Yes, one of our US cousins has confirmed that they can toggle their channels on and off, so this is a VM specific configuration.

    As I said previously DF, I can understand why they would be on by default, but VM has nothing to lose by allowing us to cherry-pick channels we care about from the XL package, and 'hide' the others - as someone who has just upgraded from an M package, there's a HUGE amount of crap that I couldn't care less about, and it would be a better experience if I could customise and remove those channels - VM still get paid for them either way.

    Without this, Wishlists (truly one of TiVo's best features) is limited in it's value, IMHO.
     
  18. cwaring

    cwaring VM Tivo User

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    Knaresboroug...
    FYI, they start @ 901 ;)
     
  19. Digital Fanatic

    Digital Fanatic Virgin Media Staff

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    We've previously asked about that and VM won't do it, due to commercial agreements with channel providers. If it was part of the WishList search then they may add something there, maybe a 'ignore these channels' feature? but they won't allow you to "hide" other channels (other than 'ADULT') in the guide.
     
  20. mikerr

    mikerr TiVoCentral.co.uk

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    Ouch. wishlists are broken unless you can restrict them from gobbling up kids programmes :(
    Just try a category wishlist for scifi - and you get nothing but ben10 and Fanstic Four cartoons... :thumbsdown:

    Only other method would be for wishlists to use favourite channels instead
    - something which has been asked for many times by americans..
     

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