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Will there ever be a better OTA Roamio?

Discussion in 'TiVo Roamio DVRs' started by dcline414, Jul 9, 2014.

  1. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    And the GigE port as well as MoCA capability.
     
  2. CrispyCritter

    CrispyCritter Purple Ribbon Wearer

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    No, you've purchased Amazon Download shows. Amazon Prime is a pure streaming feature like Netflix - the shows are never stored on your TiVo. Amazon Prime offers a different selection of shows than Amazon Download, and most(?) are streamed for free if you have Amazon Prime.
     
  3. dcline414

    dcline414 New Member

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    So why is it not possible to take the basic platform and add two dedicated cable tuners, allowing a choice between 4 OTA tuners or 6 cable tuners? I just don't understand the removal of OTA tuners from the more expensive models. It almost seems like Tivo is in bed with the cable companies, limiting larger drives, streaming, etc to cable subscribers.

    Perhaps they get a kickback from cable companies that subsidizes the additional cost—but if so it seems like they could follow the cellular hardware model and sell unsubsidized models direct to the public.
     
  4. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    I wish there was a Roamio Basic that was in a normal sized metal box not some crazy shaped piece of plastic. Not that there's a "normal size" for such things these days, of course. :)

    A shame we never really got some sort of modular standard for such equipment -- like rack mounting but with a horizontal component width multiple, too, not just the vertical units.
     
  5. HarperVision

    HarperVision TiVo's Italian Cuz!

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    It would be pretty awesome if the Roamios could support network ATSC tuners like the Silicon Dust HDHomerun.
     
  6. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    I'm sure it's on the list, right after DLNA support
    :D
     
  7. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    They're not "in bed with the MSOs" they have smartly realized that the MSOs are the key to their future and they're tailoring their offerings to show off to the MSOs and show them all the good things they can do for them. We're not their primary market anymore, we're their test market, and the future of that market is Cable/Fiber not OTA.

    Also what's the "limiting larger drives" comment? you can drop a 3TB drive in any Roamio, what CableCO DVR lets you do that?
     
  8. dcline414

    dcline414 New Member

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    Okay, charging you for the included 500GB drive that you have to pay an additional $100 to replace. So if I decide I want the latest and greatest equipment I have two choices:

    OTA w/ Tivo (35 channels, 15 HD)
    Pay $630 for a Roamio basic with an upgraded 1TB drive, a stream, and two minis, plus $27 per month. No programming fees.
    TOTAL COST: $1,280 (2 years)
    $53.25/mo

    DirecTV (130 channels, 45 HD)
    Get a 5-tuner 1TB Genie and two minis for free, and only pay $100 for a GenieGo, plus $27 per month in equipment fees. Programming costs $25 per month for the first year and $50 per month for the second year, but I would also get a $200 one-time rebate.
    TOTAL COST = $1,450 (2 years)
    $60.40/mo

    So a difference of $7.15 per month for 3x the channels and better equipment, plus lower up-front equipment cost with DirecTV. I just don't see what incentive there is for paying another dime to Tivo.
     
  9. jrtroo

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    You are missing tons in your analysis. A few items include residual value on the Tivo, use of lifetime, and not being beholden to satellite, to name a few.
     
  10. dswallow

    dswallow Save the Moderatоr TCF Club

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    One example...


    OTA w/ Tivo (35 channels, 15 HD)
    Pay $630 for a Roamio basic with an upgraded 1TB drive, a stream, and two minis, plus $499.99 + 2x$149.99 for lifetime. No programming fees.
    TOTAL COST: $1,429.27
    $59.59/mo (amortized over 2 years)
    $0.00/mo (3rd and later years)
    Residual resale value after 2 years: $500++ (likely/possibly higher as well, especially earlier than 2 years)
    + usable if you ever add cable service, with no additional purchased hardware


    DirecTV (130 channels, 45 HD)
    Get a 5-tuner 1TB Genie and two minis for free, and only pay $100 for a GenieGo, plus $27 per month in equipment fees. Programming costs $25 per month for the first year and $50 per month for the second year, but I would also get a $200 one-time rebate.
    TOTAL COST = $1,450 (2 years)
    $60.40/mo
    $50.00/mo (3rd and later years, plus price increases)
    Residual resale value from day 1: $0.00 (leased)


     
  11. trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

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    um...just get the streaming adapter for the Roamio Basic and you're good to go.

    Tivo is never going to be Burger King.

    Mass market-wise I don't think anyone needs 6 tuners on OTA. Most can't get that many OTA channels.

    Also maybe the fact you can get alot of OTA shows via streaming without getting a Tivo is also a factor in not releasing a real OTA Roamio Tivo instead of a re-brand of the Premiere.
     
  12. mattack

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    Well, technically, even if you're getting the DVR in the cost of your package, you actually are PAYING, since you should be getting a _discount_ for customer owned equipment, e.g. with a Tivo.

    Also.. (1) better UI, (2) ability to download non copy protected shows to a computer, (3) ability to stream/download shows to an iPhone/iPad... none of which you get on a cable DVR.
     
  13. dianebrat

    dianebrat I refuse to accept your reality TCF Club

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    But that's the OPPOSITE of what you're claiming, Tivo doesn't "limit" you, they just don't make a unit with the options you want, that's abundantly clear, but allowing you to replace the reasonable for some folks 500GB drive with a 1, 2, or 3TB drive, whichever should you chose, that's never a minus, that's a total plus for Tivo (yes, I'm harping on this)

    Tivo doesn't make the model you want and it's not on their roadmap for all the reasons folks have pointed out, IMO you'll never be happy with Tivo so I say find a provider that better meets your needs.

    Any time there's an attempt to cost justify Tivo it's just silly, Tivo is never the most cost effective solution, but it's frequently the best option for folks who are appreciative of the Tivo package/experience.
     
  14. tenthplanet

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    Seems like the aftermarket could come up with a metal case to solve that for the base roamio, I'm not wild about that plastic case either.
     
  15. dcline414

    dcline414 New Member

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    I guess I didn't see Tivo that way at all. I have always loved the cable/satellite hardware, and never understood why anyone would pay more for a Tivo. But when we cut the cord, I realized I would need to find my own hardware, which is how I first experienced Tivo.

    I still don't have a foggy clue why anyone would pay out of pocket for equipment rather than take what their provider offers. If anything happens to their equipment then they replace it, and you can swap out for new equipment when anything better comes along.

    I see absolutely no value proposition in what everyone seems to consider Tivo's primary market, so perhaps I am just confused about their model and the market as a whole.

    Turns out that there are dozens of internet-connected ATSC tuners coming out that allow any drive to be connected for storage and can stream content remotely—all for much less than a Tivo costs, and at a lower monthly cost.

    I guess I'll just head back over to the Premiere forum for the next month and then part ways with Tivo when my contract ends.
     
  16. trip1eX

    trip1eX Active Member

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    ?? It's simple math. Rent dvr from your provider for $20/month in perpetuity or pay one up front cost for a Tivo.

    Leasing vs owning. Owning always comes out ahead over the long run.
     
  17. dcline414

    dcline414 New Member

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    Pay $200 plus $15 per month (or a fortune up front) for Tivo or get the DVR with all the bells and whistles the cable guy brings for free. And in a year swap it for the awesome new one instead of lamenting the sluggishness and decreasing reliability of something you foolishly bought instead of leasing.

    Maybe I'm the one guy who likes the cable company, but they always do a great job and make sure you have the best equipment for your needs. I loved Comcast, and have always had good experiences with Charter as well.
     
  18. tarheelblue32

    tarheelblue32 Active Member

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    Maybe Comcast and Charter just have really awesome equipment, but Time Warner Cable's cable boxes and DVRs were pieces of crapola. I replaced TWC's equipment about 8 months ago with a Roamio Plus w/lifetime and 2 Minis w/lifetime for around $1200 and it saves me $50/month in equipment rental fees. So they will pay for themselves over the course of 24 months. And at the end of those 24 months the odds are I will still have a Plus and 2 Minis still in good working order and with a significant resale value, rather than looking at paying $50/month in perpetuity to a company I despise (TWC) to rent their crappy DVR and cable boxes that I absolutely hated.

    I'm not trying to say that your position is wrong, but I guess it's all just a matter of perspective.
     
  19. DancyMunchkin

    DancyMunchkin New Member

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    In post #35 you said ""I guess I'll just head back over to the Premiere forum for the next month and then part ways with Tivo when my contract ends." yet here you are again.

    Change your mind?
     
  20. DeltaOne

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    I wouldn't say I love Comcast, but the offerings and reliability of the system I'm on is pretty good. We're on a former Adelphia system and its reliability is excellent.

    But there's no way Comcast makes sure you have the best equipment. I began looking for alternative hardware because I was sick and tired of a two tuner DVR with limited storage. I first looked at Comcast's X1 DVR, but a few weeks of reading horror stories on the Xfinity user forums scared the hell out of me. Then I stumbled on to TiVo and don't regret my decision to switch one bit.

    Well, one regret might be I didn't make the switch to TiVo sooner, but our timing was actually pretty good -- making the move last fall just a few months after the new Roamio line had been introduced.
     

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