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Will a lifetime Mini work in another home?

Discussion in 'TiVo Mini' started by mr_smits, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    Yes it is. Sling gets away with it by exploiting the analog hole. If you were to use HDMI only then the Premium channels would be protected by HDCP and you wouldn't be able to stream them. The only reason you can is because most boxes still have component outputs. If they ever do away with component and switch to HDMI only on those boxes then Sling will be in the same boat as TiVo.
     
  2. lessd

    lessd Active Member

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    I don't have or use a Sling but I though the newest Sling has a HDMI input.

    I looked it up and if the HDMI signal is copy protected it will not work, oh well.
     
  3. aaronwt

    aaronwt UHD Addict

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    It's definitely possible. I would have the same setup if I could get my GF to get FiOS. But she keeps sticking with Verizon DSL. I've been trying to get her to switch for many years but no luck. So there has never been a point to permanently setting up a VPN with her slow 1.2Mb/s DSL. My FIOS 150/65 service is plenty fast enough to feed her connection it were fast enough.
     
  4. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    Yeah, I've used an international VPN to sign up for MLB access and watch all teams play, even (gasp!) in market teams. Either my connection was poor or I didn't buy a fast enough VPN because the quality was not great.

    The ability of a Tivo to stream to a Mini across the internet is practically 5 years away for most people. The infrastructure just isn't available, and it's a pain to set it up except for the most determined.

    But this brings up another issue. How is this different than giving a friend or family member access to your Stream? Isn't that a real issue compared to the convoluted nightmare of setting up a Mini in another location? Have that person visit or ship an ipad, set it up, then set it free. Boom, a remote extension of your tivo?
     
  5. jmpage2

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    You actually specifically agree that you won't do that when you agree to the terms for the TiVo remote streaming.

    The reality is that there are technical workarounds for many of the limitations imposed by over-the-top DRM but the reality is that 99.9% of customers won't bother.
     
  6. TC25D

    TC25D New Member

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    ...or care.
     
  7. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    Right...

    It's just odd the Mini DRM is more intrusive, and less likely, than the Stream sharing. I suppose the Mini DRM does cut down on value should a device be stolen since it won't work without contacting Tivo first.
     
  8. jmpage2

    jmpage2 New Member

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    I would imagine that the biggest reason is that the Mini is producing "full quality" viewing of the original material, where-as with portable devices it is being offered at lower quality on a smaller screen.
     
  9. mr_smits

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    Right, but the Mini is just a slave to a master device like any 4 tuner Tivo. It does nothing without this LAN connection to the 4 tuner Tivo.
     
  10. Dan203

    Dan203 Super Moderator Staff Member TCF Club

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    TiVo is required by Cable Labs rules to "protect the path". That means that the video has to be encrypted all the way from source to display. Their encryption scheme, which was approved by Cable Labs long before the Mini even existed, uses public/private key decryption. The Mini has to be on your account to receive the public key. (i.e. the MAK) They could allow you to enter that manually instead, but since the Mini requires service anyway it makes sense to just pull it automatically from the account. They also use the account to limit abuse of their MSD pricing scheme by limiting the number of devices allowed. (i.e. 10)
     
  11. mr_smits

    mr_smits New Member

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    Very helpful! Thanks.
     

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